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00:00:00.000On Thursday, the Department of Homeland Security announced its official revocation of President Obama's executive amnesty for illegal immigrant parents.
00:00:07.000According to the Associated Press, quote,
00:00:22.000In reality, Obama's DAPA program, Deferred Action for Parent Arrival program, never took effect.
00:00:27.000The federal judge had stated, pointing out that Obama had exceeded his authority.
00:00:31.000It's unclear whether Trump is actually going to begin deporting more illegal immigrant parents, especially since Trump administration has continued to fight back against deportation of so-called DREAMers.
00:00:42.000In the exact same memo announcing the revocation of DAPA, the Homeland Security Secretary said the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals would remain in place, breaking a key campaign promise.
00:00:51.000As Daniel Horowitz of Conservative Review pointed out last week, quote, Trump's DHS has issued almost 125,000 DACA cards per Obama's unlawful Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals order to illegal aliens through the second quarter of this fiscal year, January through March.
00:01:06.000This surpasses the 122,000 level of amnesty cards issued
00:01:11.000During the final quarter of Obama's presidency, October 1st through December 31st, 2016, which means the Trump administration is not even slowing down the pace.
00:01:19.000Just last week, Kelly assured Congress we are not, not, not targeting DACA registrants right now, and pled with Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform.
00:01:28.000So, will the Trump administration actually begin keeping its commitment to begin deporting those Obama attempted to protect under DAPA?
00:01:35.000That uncertainty is still a step up from the Obama administration's obvious unwillingness to consider deportation for entire classes of illegal immigrants.
00:01:43.000And Trump's vagary has had some predictable results.
00:01:45.000The number of people attempting to cross the border illegally has dropped dramatically.
00:01:49.000But there is no question that the Trump administration's open position on DACA is a new, shocking development for a president who pledged widespread deportations of illegal immigrants as a key campaign promise.
00:02:47.000Or you can actually just be measured by your friends or family and you can send those measurements into Indochino and get the best looking suit you will ever have.
00:02:56.000I actually just wore this suit on Fox News the other day.
00:04:06.000I've been banned from college campuses.
00:04:07.000And the left uses a particular logic when it comes to this.
00:04:10.000The particular logic that the left uses when it comes to banning me is that words are violence.
00:04:15.000Words prompt violence, therefore we can't have Shapiro here.
00:04:19.000If Shapiro says that a man is a man and a woman is a woman, then that could prompt somebody to do something nasty to a transgender person, and therefore we have to ban Shapiro from campus.
00:04:27.000This is sort of the perspective at DePaul.
00:04:29.000If Shapiro says that Black Lives Matter is a negative movement that hurts black people, and he says that cops aren't deliberately murdering black people en masse, that hurts black people, black people feel bad, and not only do they feel bad, maybe it will prompt some violence against black people in some unspecified way, therefore we have to keep Shapiro
00:04:55.000But now, because the left for so long has been blaming acts of violence, individual acts of violence, on the so-called toxic climate created by the right, now the right finally has its chance to do the same thing to the left, and some people are unwilling to forego the revenge in favor of the actual principle, which is actually dangerous.
00:05:13.000are more interested in revenge on the left than you are in upholding a principle to prevent the left from winning, then you are doing something counterproductive.
00:05:20.000So, in the aftermath of this Bernie Sanders-supporting, Trump-hating terrorist trying to shoot a bunch of congresspeople and succeeding, Steve Scalise is still in apparently critical condition in the hospital, there are a lot of people on the right who have been making the mistake of essentially claiming that rhetoric causes violence, and not only does rhetoric cause violence, it's leftist rhetoric.
00:05:39.000And not just leftist violent rhetoric, which, okay,
00:05:42.000But leftist normal rhetoric, like stuff that exists in the realm of the normal, this is dangerous.
00:05:47.000So I think that, you know, the natural tendency after a horrible terrorist incident like this occurs is for everybody to come together.
00:05:55.000The problem is when the coming together is about civility and niceness, and then anytime somebody says something that is inflammatory or passionate about politics, you say, oh, shut that guy down, he might cause a nutcase to go and shoot somebody.
00:06:18.000Later at a lunch for reporters, President Trump was asked whether he worried that that language would incite violence.
00:06:25.000His pause indicated it had never crossed his mind.
00:06:28.000And then he said, no, that doesn't worry me.
00:06:32.000As children were taught, words will never hurt me, but when you think about it, violence almost always begins with words.
00:06:41.000In Twitter world, we've come to believe that our first thought is our best thought.
00:06:46.000It's past time for all of us, presidents, politicians, reporters, citizens, all of us, to pause to think again.
00:06:54.000Okay, so you can see why the left is doing this, okay?
00:06:57.000So the left is saying this, the left is doing this because they specifically are interested in pressing forward the, the right is uncivil, the right is terrible, how dare the right use the kind of language it's been using.
00:07:08.000Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi did a joint interview yesterday at the congressional baseball game in which they did a little bit of the same routine.
00:07:15.000How do you balance letting Republicans in your caucus speak their minds while also setting a role, being a role model, and saying that's too far, you've gone too far, don't say that, which happens sometimes in both your caucuses.
00:07:31.000Sure, but I think all of us have a responsibility to watch our rhetoric, but we're passionate.
00:07:34.000We believe passionately about our causes, about our issues, and we can do that without being vitriolic, without fomenting the kind of anger that's out there in the country.
00:07:43.000So that's what leaders do, and that's what members of Congress have been coming upon them to
00:07:50.000The left has now turned to, okay, Trump's rhetoric is really dangerous.
00:07:53.000It's going to get people killed, right?
00:07:55.000Trump, the rhetoric, it's going to get people killed.
00:07:57.000Here's Senator Richard Blumenthal, who is a radical leftist from Connecticut, making exactly this case.
00:08:04.000We need to seize this moment and tone down the rhetoric.
00:08:07.000I know that's easier said than done and part of the problem is that the president is continuing the very visceral and vehement attacks instead of saying, as my colleague Senator Rubio said, that he welcomes a swift result and a fair result to this investigation.
00:08:46.000When you say you want the president to lead, is there something specific you think he could do that would maybe be a positive jolt to the system?
00:08:55.000Well, things that he could stop doing.
00:08:57.000Referring to others in the other party as losers or using other language that just isn't becoming.
00:09:06.000It's done on our side as well and certainly the President's opponents.
00:09:10.000Okay, so the language police are here.
00:09:13.000So here's how the right should respond to the language police.
00:09:15.000What the right should say is what I said yesterday.
00:09:29.000That doesn't mean that it's all factual, it doesn't mean it's all good, but it is necessary, and to pretend that it's going to stop
00:09:35.000It's just a cudgel to wield against the other side.
00:09:38.000So Laura Ingraham, I think, does this exactly wrong.
00:09:41.000This is going to be a rare situation in which I think that Laura Ingraham is wrong and Nancy Pelosi is kind of right, which is just unbelievably shocking.
00:09:47.000And it just demonstrates how people on either side of the bipartisanship trumps principle.
00:09:52.000Here's Laura Ingraham talking about leftist rhetoric and what she thinks causes violence.
00:09:57.000But it's a level of viciousness and vitriol that we see on social media, but usually that's an anonymous thing.
00:10:05.000But now people are emboldened and they're actually saying it in person.
00:10:08.000They're doing chalk drawings of people and their families on their driveway.
00:10:12.000So they wake up in the morning and they see a chalk drawing.
00:10:19.000We hear on other cable networks where these are supposedly very respected hosts who get up every morning and say, will our republic survive Donald Trump?
00:10:28.000In other words, the resistance is a physical resistance.
00:10:32.000If you believe your survival is at risk, you have a moral duty to physically resist that.
00:10:38.000Okay, again, this is so hypocritical, and I'll explain why in a second.
00:10:41.000Nancy Pelosi says the right needs to stop being sanctimonious about this stuff.
00:10:45.000Yes, because I think the left should have stopped being sanctimonious about it years ago.
00:10:48.000People should stop being sanctimonious about the idea that Sarah Palin putting a map on her website of congressional districts that she wants to target somehow leads to people dying.
00:10:56.000The left should stop saying that talk radio leads to the Oklahoma City bombing, and the right should not imitate the left in an act of revenge.
00:11:02.000Here's Nancy Pelosi saying that the right is being sanctimonious.
00:11:05.000Yes, and the left should also stop being sanctimonious.
00:11:08.000And I think that the comments made by my Republican colleagues are outrageous, beneath the dignity of the job that they hold, beneath the dignity of the respect that we would like Congress to command.
00:12:02.000But for them to all of a sudden be sanctimonious as if they'd never seen such a thing before.
00:12:09.000And I don't even want to go into the President of the United States.
00:12:13.000Okay, and the reason that I think that she's not wrong here is because you heard Laura Ingraham there say that this apocalyptic language we hear on other cable networks.
00:12:33.000The most read essay of the last election cycle in right-wing intellectual circles was the Flight 93 essay in the Claremont Review of Books.
00:12:49.000And the basic idea there was that if Hillary Clinton was elected, that the plane of state would crash and everyone would die.
00:12:55.000It literally said in that essay, charge the cockpit or you die.
00:12:59.000Okay, Ann Coulter said that Hillary's election would be the, quote, end of America.
00:13:03.000Dennis said that America could, quote, never recover from her or any Democrat's victory.
00:13:07.000Ingram herself, who's talking about apocalyptic language, she wrote a piece two weeks ago, two weeks before the election titled, quote, how the elites blew up the world.
00:13:16.000Now, is my point that nobody should ever use language like this?
00:13:31.000I said that the Flight 93 essay was stupid and incoherent, but...
00:13:35.000The fact is, nobody who read that essay actually thought that this was a Flight 93 election.
00:13:40.000Nobody thought if Hillary was elected, it was time to go pick up a gun and start shooting Democrats.
00:13:44.000Nobody thought that when Dennis said that America would never recover from Hillary's presidency, that that meant that it was time to go and violently uprise against the Democratic Party.
00:13:52.000When Ingram said the elites blow up the world, nobody actually thought that
00:13:57.000Trump should go out there and commit bombings in response, right?
00:14:30.000Do not buy into the idea that is now being promulgated by the right because we want to stick the left's face in it, that rhetoric leads to violence.
00:14:38.000Normal political rhetoric that is edgy and passionate leads to violence.
00:14:42.000It is very difficult to claim that college campuses should allow people like me or Heather MacDonald or Charles Murray or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, let alone Milo Yiannopoulos,
00:14:49.000Speak at the same time that you say the word resistance could cause violence.
00:14:52.000When Laura Ingraham says, you know, the resistance, that means physical resistance.
00:14:56.000That's the dumbest crap I've ever heard.
00:15:00.000No one in the resistance, or at least very few people in the quote-unquote resistance, think it's time to pick up a gun and start shooting people.
00:15:07.000There are truly violent people like Antifa.
00:15:09.000I don't want to lump in everybody who's on the other side of the aisle with Antifa
00:15:13.000Because that's not fair, and it's not right, and it's begging, it is begging for the next time somebody who has a mention of Sean Hannity in their manifesto or Laura Ingraham in their manifesto, it is begging the left to do the exact same routine on us.
00:15:25.000That makes the political situation uglier, not better.
00:15:28.000It just uses civility as a club to beat the other side, and then we say, okay, well, you're beating us up, so we're gonna be even less civil to you.
00:15:35.000It just leads to a downward spiral in both civility and the level of political discourse that is really, really, really stupid.
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