The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 38 - Stop Calling Trump's Supporters Islamophobic

00:00:00.000 We're here on a Wednesday, and there's tons going on in the world.

00:00:03.000 I will explain to you what happened to me yesterday when I spoke at a high school.

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00:01:03.000 Alright, so yesterday, it's become a big news story now.

00:01:06.000 I spoke over at Otay Ranch High School near San Diego, and as I rode down there for a couple and a half hours, and I get to this school,

00:01:15.000 Man, this had been scheduled by the Young America's Foundation, and Young America's Foundation is a wonderful organization.

00:01:21.000 They had a local chapter at this high school, and it's a very left high school.

00:01:24.000 A lot of the teachers are leftists, the administrators are leftists, and so the students wanted me to come and talk to all of their fellow high school students about the differences between conservatism

00:01:34.000 And leftism, just like I do on the show every day.

00:01:37.000 And I got a call about a week in advance from one of the administrators, and this administrator, who is also the Title IX applicator. 0.99

00:01:44.000 There are all sorts of stupid titles at public schools, and this guy has one of them. 0.96

00:01:48.000 I think his name is Dean Neferret, something like that. 0.99

00:01:50.000 And Dean Neferret, he calls me up, and he wants to find out what I'm talking about.

00:01:55.000 I said, well, it's not going to be

00:01:57.000 Happy, dappy, I'm good, you're okay, everybody's great, be a leader speeches.

00:02:01.000 I'm going to actually talk about politics.

00:02:03.000 We're going to talk about right versus left, and the differences in political ideology, and why Bernie Sanders is wrong, and why Ted Cruz is right, and all of this.

00:02:10.000 We'll get into all of this.

00:02:11.000 And he says, well, you know, you're not going to violate our standards and protocols.

00:02:15.000 I said, no, I've read your standards and protocols.

00:02:16.000 I'm not going to use offensive language, and I'm not going to...

00:02:19.000 Say anything terrible.

00:02:20.000 I'm not going to get up there and talk about sex.

00:02:22.000 I'm not going to do anything that is going to violate your standards and protocols, the ones that you've sent me.

00:02:27.000 He says, okay, well, you know, the reason I'm calling and asking is because we've had to basically quash this event a couple of times because a bunch of teachers, and this time they found out a bunch of teachers were very upset about this.

00:02:37.000 Not the students.

00:02:38.000 The teachers were very upset that somebody would come in and talk to the students about ideas that the teachers did not agree with.

00:02:44.000 Because in the state of California, there's a monopoly on truth held by the left, and thus, anybody of the right has to be shut up.

00:02:51.000 Okay, so we end up going forward with the event.

00:02:53.000 I get there.

00:02:54.000 The place is packed.

00:02:55.000 It's 450 students.

00:02:57.000 When I start talking about the differences between the left and the right, and basically the speech is about how the left's belief is that fairness of outcome is the only thing that matters in life.

00:03:06.000 It doesn't matter where you start.

00:03:07.000 It doesn't matter what decisions that you make.

00:03:09.000 The only thing that matters is that the outcome should always be equal.

00:03:13.000 If I make a bunch of terrible decisions, and I don't get an education, and I'm a loser for most of my life, I should make the same amount of money as Bill Gates, no matter that I've never produced anything like Bill Gates produced.

00:03:22.000 I should have the same amount of money.

00:03:24.000 That's the left's idea of a just and good universe, and I explained why that's a bad idea, and why the left's idea is wrong, and the right's idea of equality of opportunity is correct, and that micromanaging people's lives in the name of equality is actually evil.

00:03:37.000 So I do this for about half an hour, and then we start to go into Q&A.

00:03:40.000 And one of the questions that I'm asked, in the Q&A, there should be a tape of it coming out pretty soon of the full speech, and it was pretty amusing.

00:03:47.000 One of the teachers got up, clearly a very left guy, and he starts going into a diatribe, this is always the mistake, whenever you're in a vet gang, 1.00

00:03:56.000 And somebody hands you the microphone.

00:03:57.000 That is not a license for you to be the speaker.

00:03:59.000 The speaker is the speaker, and you're the questioner.

00:04:01.000 So this teacher starts speaking.

00:04:03.000 After about two and a half minutes, I said to him, is there a question mark at the end of this?

00:04:06.000 And it's a high school, so all the kids go, ooooh.

00:04:09.000 And it goes like this for about ten minutes.

00:04:12.000 And finally, one of the students says, I just want you to explain why it is that Bernie Sanders' idea, isn't Bernie Sanders' idea right that you'll have a better economy and you'll help poor people if you take money from rich people and give it to poor people?

00:04:26.000 Basically communism.

00:04:27.000 If you want poor people not to be poor, you take money away from them, from the rich, and you give it to the poor people.

00:04:32.000 Robin Hood, redistributionism, it'll be fantastic.

00:04:36.000 If you've spread the wealth around, everybody's better off, as President Obama said.

00:04:40.000 And so I gave my answer, and my answer was basically, no, that's not how it works.

00:04:44.000 It turns out that in order for you to rise from poverty, you actually have to take correct action.

00:04:49.000 And we have to train you to take correct action.

00:04:51.000 This is why when you have poor people who win the lottery, a disproportionate share of those people end up going back to being poor afterwards because they blow through all of their money.

00:05:00.000 And here is the tape of what happened next.

00:05:04.000 And this is what's causing all the controversy.

00:05:07.000 This is why if you have a bunch of people who win the lottery, disproportionately people who aren't poor and win the lottery end up poor again.

00:05:12.000 The reason people are permanently poor in the United States is not because they don't have money. 0.98

00:05:15.000 It's because they suck with money. 0.99

00:05:17.000 You can pause it right there for one second. 0.88

00:05:24.000 So what I'm saying there, it's hard to hear a little bit because the audio quality is bad, but what I'm saying is exactly what I just said to you.

00:05:29.000 Alright, what I said is lottery winners who are poor go back to being poor because they're bad with money.

00:05:34.000 People who are permanently poor in the country, and I use the phrase permanently poor.

00:05:37.000 If you're poor forever, if you're poor for 40 years in America, not temporarily, permanently.

00:05:41.000 If you're permanently poor in America, unless you are disabled in some way and you can't work, 0.97

00:05:45.000 Unless you're mentally diseased, you have a mental illness of some sort. 1.00

00:05:49.000 The only reason you are permanently poor in the United States is because you suck with money. 1.00

00:05:52.000 Okay, this is inherently true. 0.98

00:05:54.000 There is no one in the United States who is fabulous, 100% fabulous with money, and has been poor for 50 years in the United States.

00:06:00.000 There's not one of these people.

00:06:01.000 They do not exist.

00:06:02.000 And then I say, you know, if you're temporarily poor, there are a variety of reasons for that.

00:06:05.000 You could lose your job, you could be unhealthy, or you could have a medical bill.

00:06:09.000 Like, there are lots of reasons to be temporarily poor.

00:06:11.000 Pretty much everybody in the United States, at one point or another, goes

00:06:15.000 To temporarily poor.

00:06:16.000 If you lose your job, your income goes from something to nothing.

00:06:19.000 At that point, your income level is temporarily poor.

00:06:21.000 Pretty much everybody has experienced this at some point.

00:06:24.000 So I'm saying all this, and I was not even aware this is controversial.

00:06:28.000 I know when I'm saying controversial things.

00:06:30.000 I do it for a living.

00:06:31.000 So I'm fairly certain when I'm about to drop a rhetorical A-bomb.

00:06:35.000 This was not a rhetorical A-bomb.

00:06:36.000 This wasn't even a rhetorical cluster bomb.

00:06:38.000 This wasn't even a rhetorical smart bomb, right?

00:06:40.000 This was like a rhetorical pinprick.

00:06:42.000 I mean, what I said here is so eminently true and so obvious to everyone that it really should not be offensive in any way.

00:06:50.000 But here is what happens next.

00:06:53.000 You're about to see Dean Neferedi appear and basically try to dismiss all the kids.

00:07:01.000 I'm sorry for being rude.

00:07:03.000 I'm at a point right now, quite frankly, where

00:07:26.000 I'm going to dismiss the students.

00:07:28.000 I have a number of questions that would like to be asked.

00:07:36.000 With all due respect, Mr. Spiro, Mr. Spiro represents a narrative that he provided to all of you guys based off of

00:07:44.000 His opinions, what he believes, and what he wants to share with all of you.

00:07:50.000 I know that the education was there for all of you to understand, left side, right side, whatnot.

00:07:55.000 But also, the opportunity was allowed for him to impress upon you some of his opinions about certain things.

00:08:00.000 And I think the lesson was there for you to understand and also for all of you to understand.

00:08:05.000 I think what this is getting into now is it's starting to cross the line.

00:08:09.000 And... What did that line mean?

00:08:20.000 And there we go.

00:08:38.000 He gets up there and he says this is all, you know, he's impressing his opinion on you.

00:08:42.000 And after all these kids left, and you can see half the kids leave.

00:08:46.000 For people who can't hear, he gets up there and he says that I've been expressing my opinion, which is what I do for a living.

00:08:50.000 I mean, I'm not sure what he thought I was going to do.

00:08:52.000 Was he going to go there and read out of the phone book?

00:08:54.000 I mean, it was a speech about politics.

00:08:57.000 And he says that a line had been crossed, and you hear me say, what line was that?

00:09:02.000 And he has no answer.

00:09:02.000 He just dismisses the kids.

00:09:03.000 So the reason he dismisses the kids is because there are 450 kids there, about 250 of the kids signed up specifically to come to this, and then apparently about 200 of the kids, I found out afterward, there were teachers who wanted their kids to come here an opposing point of view.

00:09:16.000 Which, last I checked, is allowed.

00:09:18.000 You're allowed to do that.

00:09:19.000 You're actually allowed to have an opposing point of view in America's public schools.

00:09:22.000 And it just demonstrates the tyranny of thought that happens, folks.

00:09:26.000 At America's public schools.

00:09:27.000 It truly is incredible, right?

00:09:28.000 The way that this works is that if you are of a certain political bent, then you have an advantage.

00:09:33.000 And so after all of these kids left, after all these kids left, I went ahead and I said, you know, sarcastically, I wish that I were a California state employee being paid by the taxpayer because then I could force you to stay here and listen to everything I say for the rest of the year.

00:09:48.000 Because that's basically what happens on these campuses.

00:09:50.000 So that's what went down here.

00:09:51.000 I have to say that it was a bit of an eye-opener for me.

00:09:54.000 Not because I thought the administration would be cool with any of this.

00:09:57.000 I was kind of surprised they let me speak in the first place.

00:10:00.000 But because some of the ways a lot of the students reacted was kind of shocking.

00:10:03.000 First of all, I will say this.

00:10:05.000 A lot of the students who get up and leave, they get up and leave not because they hate what I'm saying or they think it's so terrible.

00:10:10.000 It's because they have a free period now.

00:10:12.000 They can leave.

00:10:12.000 When I was in high school,

00:10:14.000 If somebody said you don't have to come to this auditorium anymore, I'm out, right?

00:10:17.000 And that's probably a lot of these students.

00:10:19.000 After all, I'm sure that there's some place on campus they can go to smoke their pot and doodle about Bernie Sanders.

00:10:24.000 So there's a lot going on in their lives.

00:10:25.000 But beyond that, one of the things that I thought was kind of shocking about all of this is that there was a point in the speech where I was talking about

00:10:33.000 The phantom wage gap.

00:10:35.000 I was talking about the fact that women are not paid less than men in American society when you get rid of all of the conflating factors, when you get rid of the fact that women work less than men, work less hours, less years, different positions, choose to take time off for their kids.

00:10:50.000 We're good to go.

00:11:05.000 Is that you could see all of the girls in the room. 1.00

00:11:08.000 There's a contingent of girls in the room. 1.00

00:11:10.000 And there's a ripple that ran through the crowd.

00:11:12.000 When you're speaking in public, you can feel when there's unease in the crowd.

00:11:15.000 And there was unease in the crowd.

00:11:18.000 And girls started hissing. 0.90

00:11:20.000 And I thought to myself, this is why we are doomed as a country.

00:11:25.000 None of these girls have ever held a job. 0.92

00:11:27.000 None of them.

00:11:27.000 They're 14, 15, 16 years old.

00:11:29.000 They've never held a job.

00:11:30.000 They're living off mommy and daddy's paycheck.

00:11:33.000 Right?

00:11:33.000 That's what they're doing.

00:11:33.000 They're living off Mommy and Daddy's paycheck, and yet they think that there are obstacles to them ever succeeding.

00:11:38.000 And what really ticked off the administrator here, and what ticked off the students, is that I was saying to them, there are no obstacles to your success except for you.

00:11:45.000 If you want to succeed in America, take control of your life.

00:11:47.000 I actually said this in the speech, but what this administrator said, after he dismissed all these students, I said, so why is this happening?

00:11:54.000 And he said, it's my job to protect the students.

00:11:56.000 I said, from what?

00:11:57.000 And he said, well, a lot of them in the back are children of low-income families, and they're offended.

00:12:03.000 I said, well, you're not doing them any favors by coddling them from reality.

00:12:07.000 And that is certainly true, because it turns out... But here's the deal.

00:12:11.000 They're not doing the kids any favors, but they're doing the Democratic Party a lot of favors.

00:12:15.000 Because when you tell poor people that the reason they're poor is not through bad decision-making, or because they need to keep their nose to the grindstone and work harder, when you tell them it's through exploitation and injustice in the American system, what you're saying is, vote Democrats so you can steal people's money.

00:12:29.000 That's why Democrats win.

00:12:30.000 Democrats win by turning everybody into a victim of the system, as opposed to telling people, get out there and work your ass off and everything will basically be okay if you do that.

00:12:39.000 And by the way, everything basically will be okay.

00:12:42.000 It's so funny.

00:12:42.000 I got a lot of tweets after this from folks on the left.

00:12:44.000 Oh, you're a silver spoon, baby.

00:12:45.000 You're a silver spoon, baby.

00:12:47.000 I don't like talking about my childhood because I don't think there's any virtue in poverty.

00:12:51.000 I just don't.

00:12:51.000 I don't think that it's important if you grew up poor.

00:12:53.000 I don't think it's important if you grew up rich. 1.00

00:12:55.000 I know people who grew up rich who are jerks. 1.00

00:12:57.000 I know people who grew up poor who are jerks. 1.00

00:12:59.000 The idea that you're a better person because you grew up poor, and we get it from all the presidential candidates now, right? 1.00

00:13:04.000 I grew up poor.

00:13:05.000 One of the things I actually like about Donald Trump is that he doesn't do this routine.

00:13:08.000 There's no virtue to poverty.

00:13:10.000 There is virtue to virtue.

00:13:12.000 But for me personally, I grew up in a small house in Burbank, California, a two-bedroom house with three siblings.

00:13:18.000 So I was sharing a room until I was 11 years old with three of my sisters.

00:13:21.000 We had one bathroom for six people.

00:13:23.000 And we weren't poor by any stretch of the imagination, but we certainly weren't rich.

00:13:27.000 And we were probably middle-middle class at best when I was growing up.

00:13:32.000 Okay, so that... and there's nothing wrong with that.

00:13:35.000 It doesn't make me a better person, doesn't make me a worse person.

00:13:37.000 Income level has nothing to say about who you are as a human being.

00:13:40.000 Your decisions have something to say about who you are as a human being, and your wealth status tells you something about the kind of decisions that you made on the economic front.

00:13:49.000 Which very often correlates with your decisions on the responsibility front.

00:13:53.000 The more responsible you are in your life, the better the chance you're not going to be in permanent poverty.

00:13:56.000 But we can't tell that to students.

00:13:58.000 It might make them feel bad.

00:13:59.000 They have to be told that they're victims of evil, evil America.

00:14:02.000 So, that's what happened at the high school yesterday.

00:14:04.000 Okay, moving from that to the big topic of the day, and that of course continues to be Donald Trump's proposal on Muslim immigration.

00:14:11.000 For those who missed it, yesterday I talked about racial profiling because I thought that it was important to lay the groundwork

00:14:18.000 For what a good policy would look like.

00:14:21.000 I don't think Trump's policy is a good policy.

00:14:22.000 I've written about this at Daily Wire.

00:14:24.000 I don't think that banning all Muslim immigration to the country is the proper answer to the danger of radical Islam. 1.00

00:14:31.000 The reason I say that is because there are some Muslims who I think that we can vet.

00:14:35.000 You know, if you have a Kurdish fighter who's in Iraq,

00:14:38.000 And needs to escape for human rights reasons and is vouched for by members of the U.S.

00:14:41.000 military who fought alongside him and killed bad guys alongside him, that I can live with.

00:14:45.000 If we're talking about unvetted Muslim refugees from Syria, different story.

00:14:49.000 I don't think it's completely impossible to vet people, in other words, for security background, whereas Trump apparently thinks that it is.

00:14:56.000 That's an honest difference of opinion.

00:14:58.000 I think that his policy of banning all Muslim immigration also doesn't answer what you do with the three million Muslims who are already here, right?

00:15:05.000 Once you say no more Muslims come in, 0.95

00:15:07.000 What Muslim in the United States is going to help you, in terms of intelligence, gathering both domestically and on foreign affairs. 0.97

00:15:13.000 That's my take on Trump's actual policy.

00:15:16.000 But, as I said yesterday, religious profiling, religious behavior profiling, certain ideologies are more likely to breed terrorism than others.

00:15:24.000 Any denial of that is a politically correct nonsense language.

00:15:28.000 But this is where Trump is going to win on this issue.

00:15:31.000 And the reason Trump is going to win on this issue in the public mind is not because he's right in his policy.

00:15:36.000 It's because his enemies, as always, can't just restrict their criticism to the policy.

00:15:41.000 They can't just restrict their criticism to, Trump is wrong on this.

00:15:44.000 They can't just say, yeah, Donald Trump, he goes too far, but yeah, there's a threat of radical Islam that's better handled this way. 0.87

00:15:51.000 No, it turns into everyone who could possibly support Donald Trump's proposal hates Muslims and is a bigot. 0.68

00:15:56.000 Okay, let me explain something. 0.98

00:15:58.000 Bigotry is saying that no Muslim is capable of being westernized.

00:16:02.000 Okay, that's bigotry to say that no Muslim biologically for some brain reason is capable of being westernized or living in peace and harmony in the West. 0.54

00:16:11.000 That's bigotry.

00:16:12.000 It is not bigotry.

00:16:13.000 It is actually reasonable to say many Muslims are not westernized or capable of westernization. 0.99

00:16:19.000 That is a fact.

00:16:19.000 It's not bigotry.

00:16:21.000 And to say that it's hard to screen for these folks is also fact.

00:16:25.000 That's not bigotry.

00:16:26.000 So the media goes too far, and you'll see them go too far.

00:16:29.000 So here is Trump announcing his Muslim immigration ban the other night in South Carolina.

00:16:34.000 This is what's caused the entire hubbub.

00:16:36.000 As I've said before,

00:16:38.000 I think the reason Trump did this is not necessarily because he deeply believes it, although I'm sure right now he does.

00:16:43.000 As I've said, I think that every time Trump says anything, he believes it at the time he says it.

00:16:48.000 But the reason that Trump is pushing it out now is because he started to lose to Ted Cruz in Iowa.

00:16:52.000 So now he has to get back in the headlines, and obviously he's done that, because every headline is now Donald Trump.

00:16:57.000 Here is Trump announcing his policy the other night in South Carolina.

00:17:00.000 Donald J. Trump is calling for — now, listen, you've got to listen to this one, because this is pretty — pretty heavy stuff, and it's common sense, and we have to do it.

00:17:08.000 Remember the poll numbers — 25 percent, 51 percent.

00:17:11.000 Remember the poll numbers.

00:17:13.000 Okay?

00:17:13.000 So remember this.

00:17:14.000 So listen.

00:17:16.000 Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives 0.91

00:17:27.000 Can figure out what the hell is going on. 0.83

00:17:35.000 Okay, that's perfect.

00:17:36.000 We'll stop it there.

00:17:38.000 We have no choice.

00:17:38.000 And you can see everybody is very enthused about all of this because they feel rightly that the government is incompetent and they feel rightly that radical Islam is a threat.

00:17:47.000 And they don't believe all this stuff about Islam not having to do with radical Islam.

00:17:50.000 They don't believe that.

00:17:51.000 And they're right not to believe that because clearly there is a relationship.

00:17:54.000 How significant that relationship is, we can argue about.

00:17:57.000 I think it's actually fairly significant if you look at the percentages.

00:18:00.000 Of Muslims globally who believe in things we would consider radical here in the West. 0.96

00:18:04.000 It's a very high percentage.

00:18:06.000 It's not 2%.

00:18:07.000 It's not 10%.

00:18:08.000 It's not 20%.

00:18:09.000 It's much closer to at least 50% who believe all these things.

00:18:13.000 Okay, so that's why people are cheering.

00:18:14.000 But what the media have done is they've decided that Trump personally is a bigot. 0.91

00:18:19.000 And more importantly, all of his supporters are bigots. 0.69

00:18:22.000 So, I think Trump is a loudmouth, right? 0.55

00:18:23.000 I mean, I think it would be impossible not to think that Trump is a loudmouth at this point.

00:18:28.000 But, the urge by the media is always to call him a bigot.

00:18:32.000 It is always to suggest that there is something wrong with Trump's intent.

00:18:36.000 It's not that he's just wrong on policy. 1.00

00:18:38.000 He must be a xenophobic, racist jerk. 1.00

00:18:40.000 Although, I don't know how you're racist with Muslims because Islam is not a race. 1.00

00:18:45.000 So, you actually, Barbara Walters actually asked Donald Trump this.

00:18:48.000 Here's Barbara Walters with Donald Trump asking him if he is a bigot. 0.77

00:18:52.000 Are you a bigot?

00:18:54.000 Not at all.

00:18:55.000 Probably the least of anybody you've ever met.

00:18:58.000 Because?

00:18:58.000 Because I'm not.

00:19:00.000 I'm a person that has common sense.

00:19:03.000 I'm a smart person.

00:19:05.000 I know how to run things.

00:19:07.000 I know how to make America great again.

00:19:08.000 This is about making America great again.

00:19:12.000 Okay, so first of all, the reason I'm laughing is because when he says, are you a bigot?

00:19:16.000 And he says, not only am I not a bigot, I'm the least bigoted person you've ever met in your entire life.

00:19:22.000 Mother Teresa had nothing on Donald Trump.

00:19:24.000 Martin Luther King, nothing on Donald Trump.

00:19:26.000 He is the least bigoted person you've ever even heard of, you've ever conceived of.

00:19:29.000 If you could imagine a not bigoted person, he would look exactly like Donald Trump and his funny head and his weird hair and the whole deal.

00:19:37.000 And, you know, again, I don't have evidence that Donald Trump is a bigot based on him saying that radical Islam is a problem and he doesn't trust the government to vet people.

00:19:45.000 I mean, the fact is that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul say the same thing.

00:19:48.000 They just have a limited level of trust in vetting Muslim immigrants.

00:19:51.000 They say it's going to be easier to vet Muslim immigrants from Canada or Britain or France than it is to vet Muslim immigrants from Syria or Libya or terror-linked countries.

00:20:00.000 Okay, I tend to agree with that.

00:20:01.000 I in fact would suggest that there are certain countries where we should be careful of immigration from those countries, including France.

00:20:09.000 I think that France has shown that Muslim immigrants to France, a significant percentage of them are in support of terrorism. 1.00

00:20:16.000 But I disagree with the total Muslim ban for the reasons that I've just explained.

00:20:21.000 And what I would say instead of a total Muslim ban is I would say that we have a basic ideological ban that spans all religions. 0.87

00:20:26.000 And spans all philosophies, and the basic ideological ban is do you agree with freedom of speech?

00:20:30.000 Do you believe that the government should prosecute people for drawing religious figures, for example?

00:20:35.000 Do you believe that violence is justified if somebody says something to you?

00:20:38.000 This, by the way, would probably get rid of half the leftists in America if we actually applied this ideological ban, but I believe that you should have to have a certain ideology

00:20:46.000 That agrees with America's founding principles in order to enter the country.

00:20:49.000 I don't think everyone has a right to enter America.

00:20:51.000 America gets to choose who it lets in, and Muslim, not Muslim, makes less of a difference to me than what you believe. 0.62

00:20:58.000 And so we should screen along ideological lines.

00:21:00.000 Whether you believe that Muhammad ascended to heaven on a horse from Jerusalem, or whether you believe that, you know, that God came down and gave the Torah on Mount Sinai,

00:21:09.000 Your specific religious beliefs make no difference to me.

00:21:11.000 It's your ideological, philosophical beliefs about the nature of man and the nature of government that matter a lot more to me than your specific ritualistic beliefs about the nature of revelation.

00:21:21.000 Now, is it true that disproportionately Islam is going to produce people who are not in line with Western values? 0.96

00:21:27.000 Yeah, because Islam is not a Western religion. 0.99

00:21:29.000 Because Westernism springs from a Judeo-Christian heritage. 0.89

00:21:31.000 It didn't come from nowhere.

00:21:33.000 I know the left likes to assume that all of this came from nowhere, but it didn't.

00:21:36.000 It came from Judeo-Christianity.

00:21:38.000 Judeo-Christianity is a different thing than Islam. 0.93

00:21:41.000 End of story.

00:21:41.000 That's not bigotry.

00:21:42.000 That's fact.

00:21:44.000 Ideas are different.

00:21:45.000 There are distinctions between ideas.

00:21:47.000 I know the left wants to suggest there are not, but there are.

00:21:49.000 Okay, so, meanwhile, I will say that there is one aspect of the Trump campaign that sounded a lot more like bigotry, and that was this thing that happened on CNN.

00:21:58.000 Katrina Pearson is the spokesperson for Donald Trump, and she was on CNN, and she was asked about Donald Trump's Muslim ban, and here's what it sounded like.

00:22:06.000 We need Republicans to win again.

00:22:08.000 There have been people in the Congress pushing for a pause long before Donald Trump said anything, Essie.

00:22:13.000 And yes, this country has done it before.

00:22:16.000 Never in United States history have we ever allowed insurgents to come across these borders.

00:22:21.000 And it's worse now today, Essie.

00:22:22.000 No one's talking about allowing insurgents.

00:22:24.000 The administration is leading it.

00:22:26.000 Regular Muslims, that's what you're talking about.

00:22:29.000 No one's talking about insurgents.

00:22:30.000 Who wants insurgents to come over?

00:22:31.000 Yes, from Arab nations.

00:22:33.000 You know what?

00:22:33.000 So what?

00:22:34.000 They're Muslim!

00:22:35.000 So what? 0.98

00:22:36.000 That's not the America we live in, Katrina!

00:22:38.000 No, it is!

00:22:39.000 But it is, Essie, simply because you have people coming across through the refugee system and the visa system, including the woman that came in San Bernardino on a visa system, as well as some of the 9-11 hijackers.

00:22:51.000 We have to put a pause to figure out how we can better vet these people.

00:22:55.000 Okay, so what they're Muslim is the line that seems to cross the line, right? 0.95

00:22:57.000 I mean that's that's where it's not just so what they're Muslims also are human beings I mean, this is this is where the this is where she crosses over the line, right?

00:23:06.000 But I haven't seen Trump say anything like that.

00:23:08.000 I've seen Katrina Pearson say something like that.

00:23:09.000 So

00:23:10.000 I'll accuse that comment of being a racist comment, not even a racist, a religious-phobe comment, but I'm not going to accuse Trump of it because, maybe the Trump campaign, maybe, but not Trump himself, at least from what he has personally said and not based on the policy that he has suggested.

00:23:27.000 What's truly irritating to me, and there have been a bunch of people on the left who have suggested that Trump's policy is unconstitutional.

00:23:33.000 That's not true.

00:23:34.000 There's nothing in the Constitution that gives rights to foreigners.

00:23:36.000 If you're born overseas, you do not have a right to enter the United States. 0.95

00:23:40.000 It's not unconstitutional for us to say you don't get to come in based on these criteria that we've listed.

00:23:45.000 And in the past, those criteria have included place of origin.

00:23:47.000 We banned all Chinese immigration from 1882 to 1892, for example.

00:23:51.000 Calvin Coolidge shut down immigration in large part during the 1920s and was actually a problem for the country.

00:23:57.000 Obviously, FDR shut down immigration. 0.62

00:23:59.000 FDR took American citizens and put them in internment camps, and the Supreme Court gave that the green light.

00:24:04.000 So the Constitution really has nothing to say about whether it's a good policy or not.

00:24:09.000 The Constitution is not the answer here.

00:24:11.000 The answer is whether it's a good policy or not.

00:24:13.000 But the part that annoys me is the idea that 65, poll today, 64% of Americans on the right, 64% of likely Republican voters agree with Trump's proposal.

00:24:23.000 They think Trump's proposal is good.

00:24:25.000 So the left has suggested that this is wildly Islamophobic.

00:24:29.000 The word Islamophobic I think that we actually have to define because it's a term that doesn't mean anything.

00:24:35.000 What does it mean to be Islamophobic?

00:24:37.000 I'm not afraid of Islam.

00:24:39.000 I'm not afraid of Muslims. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Islamophobia is really just a way to say shut up, in the same way that when people on the left say racist, what they really mean is shut up.

00:24:48.000 Islamophobia, we have a good reason to be scared of radical Islam, and we have a good reason to ask questions about the relationship between radical Islam and normal Islam, or moderate Islam, if you want to put it that way. 0.89

00:25:00.000 There are good reasons to ask those questions.

00:25:02.000 I'll give you an example.

00:25:04.000 What's kind of crazy, so here's how the left defines Islamophobia.

00:25:07.000 Let's give a definition of the left's view of Islamophobia.

00:25:12.000 The University of California at Berkeley, Center for Race and Gender Studies, which is about as left as you're going to get, they define Islamophobia

00:25:19.000 There's a rational fear of Islam. 1.00

00:25:21.000 First of all, you can have rational fear of Islam. 1.00

00:25:23.000 It's possible for that to happen, right?

00:25:25.000 There's a rational fear of radical Islam at the very least, or what relationship there is between Islam and radical Islam.

00:25:31.000 They say that Islamophobia is based on, quote, prevailing attitudes that incorporate beliefs such as, quote, Islam does not share common values with other major faiths.

00:25:39.000 That's Islamophobic if you believe that.

00:25:41.000 That Islam doesn't share common values with other major faiths. 1.00

00:25:45.000 That's not Islamophobic.

00:25:46.000 That's true.

00:25:48.000 Okay, that is true.

00:25:49.000 Because guess what?

00:25:50.000 Most major faiths don't share values with other major faiths.

00:25:53.000 Judaism and Christianity share a basic set of values because Christianity hijacked the first book, right? 0.52

00:25:58.000 I mean, the Jews wrote the original and then the Christians added the sequel. 0.99

00:26:03.000 So at least we sort of share the first half, right?

00:26:06.000 It's just that when we get to the sequel, I classified it in the fiction section, and you guys classified it in the non-fiction section.

00:26:11.000 But we share that first book.

00:26:13.000 We agree the first book is good, and Jesus was drawing heavily from the first book, even if you believe that everything that Jesus said was gospel truth, right?

00:26:20.000 If you believe that, then Jesus came not to change a jot or tittle, gang.

00:26:24.000 So Judeo-Christianity has a common spring, right? 0.66

00:26:27.000 It comes from the same root.

00:26:28.000 The same is not true for Islam.

00:26:29.000 It doesn't come from the same roots.

00:26:31.000 Islam rewrites the Bible, right? 1.00

00:26:32.000 Islam actually takes the Bible and rewrites it. 0.99

00:26:35.000 In the Quran, for example, the suggestion is that it's not Isaac that sacrificed on or attempted to be sacrificed by Abraham.

00:26:41.000 It's Ishmael, right?

00:26:42.000 They actually changed the narrative.

00:26:43.000 It's not the same.

00:26:44.000 It's not the same book.

00:26:45.000 So, Buddhism doesn't have the same set of values as Judeo-Christianity, which is why Buddhism and Buddhist civilization didn't develop the way Judeo-Christian civilization did.

00:26:53.000 Of course Islam doesn't share common values with other major faiths. 1.00

00:26:56.000 They say it's Islamophobic. 0.97

00:26:57.000 If you say Islam is a religion that is inferior to the West, it is archaic, barbaric, and irrational. 1.00

00:27:03.000 I'm not going to talk about Islam itself, but Islamic civilization is inferior to the West. 1.00

00:27:08.000 It is. 0.98

00:27:09.000 By every available measure, it is inferior to the West.

00:27:11.000 And if you don't believe that, go live there.

00:27:13.000 If you think it's better over there, by all means, get a plane ticket.

00:27:16.000 And if you look at Afghanistan, or Iraq, or hell, even more modernized countries like Indonesia, compare those to the United States, and they are archaic, and barbaric, and irrational in the ways that those countries are governed. 0.96

00:27:27.000 You say that, if you believe Islam is a religion of violence and supports terrorism, then this is somehow Islamophobic.

00:27:35.000 As I've said before, I'm not a fan of, we're gonna read verses from the Quran, but there's plenty in there, at the very least, that supports violence. 0.88

00:27:42.000 And they say, Islam is a violent political ideology. 1.00

00:27:44.000 All of Islam may not be a violent political ideology, but there are certainly swaths of Islam that are, are there not?

00:27:49.000 But all of this is Islamophobic, and this is the problem that I have.

00:27:52.000 And folks on the left,

00:27:53.000 They feel the need and it's even folks on the right.

00:27:55.000 Paul Ryan, for example, criticized Donald Trump.

00:27:58.000 And I want to play this because Paul Ryan's on the right and he gets this completely wrong.

00:28:01.000 Here's Paul Ryan talking about Donald Trump.

00:28:03.000 Freedom of religion.

00:28:05.000 Freedom of religion is a fundamental constitutional principle.

00:28:10.000 It's a founding principle of this country.

00:28:13.000 Normally, I do not comment on what's going on in the presidential election.

00:28:18.000 I will take an exception today.

00:28:22.000 This is not conservatism.

00:28:25.000 What was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for, and more importantly, it's not what this country stands for.

00:28:34.000 Not only are there many Muslims serving in our armed forces, dying for this country, there are Muslims serving right here in the House, working every day to uphold and to defend the Constitution.

00:28:46.000 Some of our best and biggest allies in this struggle and fight against radical Islamic terror are Muslims.

00:28:54.000 The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of whom are peaceful, who believe in pluralism, freedom, democracy.

00:29:02.000 Okay, this is where he's off the rails, okay.

00:29:05.000 I told our members this morning to always drive... We can stop it there because that's the point.

00:29:08.000 Once you get to Paul Ryan explaining to you

00:29:11.000 Right?

00:29:11.000 That the vast, vast, vast majority of Muslims globally believe in pluralism, freedom, democracy, and individual rights?

00:29:18.000 No.

00:29:19.000 No.

00:29:20.000 There is no study by which this is true.

00:29:22.000 There is no possible poll by which this is true.

00:29:26.000 99% of the inhabitants of Iraq, according to a Pew Global Research poll in 2013, believe in honor killings.

00:29:33.000 No, that is not true.

00:29:35.000 So again, you can say that you don't like Trump's policies.

00:29:37.000 I don't like Trump's policy either. 1.00

00:29:39.000 I was one of the first people out of the gate to say that I thought his policy was backwards and stupid and irrational. 1.00

00:29:44.000 But the point that the media have tried to make is they've tried to paint Trump as Hitler and all of his followers as Hilarion. 1.00

00:29:50.000 The New York Daily News used this on their cover.

00:29:53.000 We should grab the cover of the New York Daily News if we can.

00:29:55.000 And they're just so desperate for attention at this point, it's absurd.

00:30:00.000 For those who can't see, it's a picture of Donald Trump.

00:30:02.000 It's a caricature of Donald Trump. 0.89

00:30:05.000 And it's him slicing the head off of the Statue of Liberty, ISIS style.

00:30:10.000 And it says, when Donald Trump came for the Mexicans, I did not speak out, as I was not a Mexican. 0.90

00:30:13.000 When he came for the Muslims, I did not speak out, I was not a Muslim. 0.93

00:30:17.000 Then he came for me.

00:30:18.000 Like, Donald Trump's gonna come for you, because he's concerned about radical Islam. 0.95

00:30:22.000 Okay, this is nonsense of the highest order. 0.91

00:30:24.000 And he's not the only person saying this. 0.97

00:30:25.000 Trevor Noah, on Comedy Central, actually, he and his guest, suggested that Donald Trump was white ISIS.

00:30:32.000 That's what he said. 0.98

00:30:33.000 He's white ISIS. 0.83

00:30:33.000 Really? 0.83

00:30:34.000 How many people has Donald Trump beheaded?

00:30:35.000 Actually beheaded? 0.77

00:30:37.000 How many babies has Donald Trump actually murdered? 0.99

00:30:40.000 How many women has Donald Trump actually raped over in Yazidi land? 0.97

00:30:45.000 How's that working out? 0.99

00:30:46.000 It's so over the top and absurd.

00:30:48.000 Again, you can disagree with him to suggest that Donald Trump

00:30:51.000 And more importantly, I don't even care about Trump, that everybody who is worried about the threat of radical Islam must be an Islamophobe, and if you like Donald Trump's policy, that that is not a reflection of irrationality, it's more a reflection of something else. 1.00

00:31:07.000 That's stupid. 0.99

00:31:11.000 People are rationally afraid of radical Islam, and they're buying into an irrational policy because they have a rational fear of radical Islam. 1.00

00:31:18.000 That is not the same as saying that people are bigots and racist and terrible. 0.92

00:31:22.000 Okay, things that I hate.

00:31:24.000 So, first a thing that I like.

00:31:27.000 Let me think of something that I like.

00:31:29.000 I had one in my head earlier, but after all of this I'm running out of things that I like.

00:31:32.000 So, things that I like.

00:31:36.000 Let's see.

00:31:37.000 There was a... I saw the last Hunger Games film and I thought it was okay.

00:31:40.000 How's that?

00:31:40.000 It's not even a thing that I love.

00:31:41.000 It's just a thing that I'm lukewarm on.

00:31:44.000 Actually, here's something I like.

00:31:46.000 This show, The Grinder, is terrific.

00:31:48.000 If you haven't seen it on Fox, it's a really, really good show.

00:31:50.000 It's a really, really funny, clever, clean show you can watch with your kids.

00:31:54.000 It's a really, really funny show.

00:31:56.000 So, The Grinder is terrific.

00:31:57.000 You should check it out.

00:31:58.000 Okay.

00:31:59.000 Things that I hate.

00:32:00.000 Kendrick Lamar...

00:32:01.000 We're good to go.

00:32:19.000 So that she can be seen as forward-looking and forward-leaning, and we ripped on Taylor Swift yesterday, so we won't rip on Taylor Swift today.

00:32:26.000 She gets off scot-free.

00:32:27.000 But, Kendrick Lamar, I'll be honest with you, I'd never really heard anything that Kendrick Lamar had ever done, or if I'd heard it, I hadn't identified it as his.

00:32:35.000 There's one video that's now been nominated for Best Music Video, and it's called All Right.

00:32:40.000 And we need to play some of this, because this just shows you where the head of the left is, and it's...

00:32:46.000 Pretty sickening.

00:32:47.000 So, here we go.

00:32:48.000 All right, from Kendrick Lamar.

00:32:51.000 And I'll describe what's happening in the music video to folks who can't actually see it.

00:32:56.000 Okay, so they're just showing the port of Oakland.

00:32:59.000 And now we're cutting interior to Oakland.

00:33:02.000 And it's a Dust Room Street.

00:33:06.000 And we see shoes hanging on a wire, so this is obviously a high-crime area is the implication.

00:33:13.000 Right, deserted houses.

00:33:15.000 Guy screaming nonsensically.

00:33:20.000 I remember you was conflicted.

00:33:22.000 Misusing your influence.

00:33:27.000 Sometimes I did the same.

00:33:32.000 Abusing my power full of resentment.

00:33:36.000 Resentment that turned into a deep depression.

00:33:40.000 Found myself screaming in a hotel room.

00:33:45.000 Lucifer was all around me.

00:33:50.000 So I kept running.

00:33:50.000 Until I found my safe haven.

00:33:52.000 I was trying to convince myself the stripes I got.

00:33:53.000 Making myself realize what my foundation was.

00:34:18.000 But while my loved ones was fighting a continuous war back in the city, I was entering a new one.

00:34:25.000 A war that was based on apartheid and discrimination.

00:34:34.000 Okay, so we've got a black guy, or a person of color, who is put down on the floor, and then he breaks away from a cop who's trying to contain him, and he runs.

00:34:44.000 Okay, so, what's gonna happen in this music video, eventually, is that Kendrick Lamar, at one point, he starts floating into the sky, and he ends up being shot by a cop.

00:34:50.000 So this whole video...

00:34:54.000 Okay, and this video continues along these lines.

00:34:57.000 That's all just the intro, right?

00:34:58.000 It's a person of color being shot by the cops, and then the actual lyric is about how he has to fight N-Word all his life.

00:35:05.000 It's bad times, and he talks about N-Word.

00:35:09.000 And it's with Pharrell Williams, who of course is now in every song that has been produced for the last five years.

00:35:13.000 And he says, N-Word, we gonna be alright. 0.60

00:35:14.000 N-Word, we gonna be alright.

00:35:15.000 We gonna be alright.

00:35:16.000 Do you hear me?

00:35:16.000 Do you feel me?

00:35:17.000 We gonna be alright.

00:35:18.000 N-Word, we're gonna be alright.

00:35:19.000 And it continues along these lines.

00:35:20.000 He talks about 0.95

00:35:21.000 Uh, how he is going to shoot guns, and he's going to go after women's lady parts, but that's not the words that he used, and it just continues along this line. 0.94

00:35:31.000 He talks, and then he talks about how, uh, what do you want?

00:35:34.000 A house or a car, 40 acres and a mule, a piano, a guitar, anything.

00:35:37.000 See, my name is Lucy, I'm a dog, MF-er, you can live at the mall, I can see the evil, I can tell it, I know when it's illegal. 0.98

00:35:43.000 I don't think about it, I deposit every other zero.

00:35:46.000 Thinking of my partner, put the candy, paint it on the regal.

00:35:48.000 I don't even know what he's talking about here. 0.98

00:35:50.000 This is all nonsensical rhyming, but what you get from the video, and if you actually watch the entire video, which we don't have time to do here, but if you actually watch the entire video, the entire thing is, as a black man in America, you are put down, and that's why people riot, and that's why people are unsatisfied, and white cops shoot black people, that is the premise of this video.

00:36:09.000 This is the most nominated video at the Grammys. 0.74

00:36:11.000 By a bunch of white people, by the way, because the people who vote for the Grammys are disproportionately white.

00:36:16.000 It's a bunch of upper-class white people living in Hollywood who vote for the Grammys.

00:36:19.000 And this makes them feel special, because it makes them feel like they're doing something for the impoverished inner-city youths.

00:36:24.000 Okay, they're not.

00:36:26.000 You know what they need more of in the inner city? 0.70

00:36:28.000 They need less of this garbage, and what they need more of is cops in the inner city who actually protect private property rights, which makes it safe for investment, which makes it safe for jobs, which makes it safe for money to be invested in the crappy public schools, which makes it safe to raise your kids.

00:36:42.000 That's what they actually need. 0.92

00:36:43.000 But that's not what our culture pushes, because if you're seen as someone who fights the man, if you're seen as someone who fights the prevailing culture, then that makes you a hero, like Kendrick Lamar.

00:36:52.000 Even though the stuff—I mean, it's just, first of all, the music is garbage, the message is garbage, but it makes you a special human being if you fight the prevailing wisdom.

00:37:01.000 And this is the whole point, right? 0.97

00:37:02.000 This is the message the kids are hearing in the high schools.

00:37:05.000 Any contrary message, any message from the other side, has to be immediately quieted.

00:37:10.000 It can't be allowed in.

00:37:11.000 Because the minute the kids actually realize, hey, wait a second, I'm in control of my own life, they don't need the government anymore.

00:37:17.000 And suddenly, they're actual individuals with the capacity for agency and free will.

00:37:22.000 And that doesn't fit the leftist model.

00:37:24.000 So instead, we'll just get more videos like this, and we'll get more culture like this created by the left for the purpose of creating more leftists.

00:37:30.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:37:31.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - December 09, 2015

Ep. 38 - Stop Calling Trump's Supporters Islamophobic

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