The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 75 - Trump Smacks Down Pope -- And He's Right

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00:00:00.000 Here we are, it's a Thursday, the last broadcast day of the week, unfortunately, but there's so much to get to.

00:00:05.000 The Pope and Donald Trump are now smacking each other in an epic battle of biblical proportions.

00:00:11.000 We'll talk about who is right and who is wrong, plus some brand new imagery from the Bernie Sanders campaign that will make you think of great dictators long gone.

00:00:20.000 All of this and more, plus the mailbag, Ben Shapiro Show, and I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:32.000 Well, we begin today with Pope Francis.

00:00:34.000 Let me say up front, I think Pope Francis is a disaster area.

00:00:37.000 Okay?

00:00:38.000 I liked Pope John Paul II.

00:00:39.000 I liked Pope Benedict.

00:00:40.000 I'm not a Catholic.

00:00:41.000 I'm not even Christian.

00:00:42.000 So, my views of the Pope are the same as they would be of any other world figure.

00:00:46.000 I don't consider him to be a religious authority to me.

00:00:50.000 I consider him to have the power of moral authority just like any other religious leader would.

00:00:54.000 They have a moral weight when they speak.

00:00:56.000 And so it's really disconcerting when those moral leaders spend more time babbling about global warming and hanging out with the Castros than actually doing anything about the Christians being murdered in the Middle East, for example.

00:01:06.000 I've been highly critical of the Pope on immigration before.

00:01:08.000 I've been highly critical of him on his rifts on capitalism.

00:01:11.000 This Pope is a liberation theologist.

00:01:13.000 Liberation theology is a concoction of Marxism and Catholicism that was cooked up back in Latin America.

00:01:19.000 And the Pope is an emissary of that.

00:01:21.000 Pope Benedict said that liberation theology was not only a departure from Catholicism, it undermined the Catechism.

00:01:30.000 It was actually an undermining force in the Catholic Church.

00:01:33.000 Pope John Paul II felt exactly the same.

00:01:35.000 Pope Francis, however, does not.

00:01:37.000 The reason I say this as precursor is because of what happened over the last 24 hours.

00:01:44.000 The Pope went to Mexico.

00:01:45.000 He went to a place called Ciudad Juarez, right?

00:01:48.000 My accent stinks, but it's just across the border from El Paso.

00:01:51.000 And it's one of the most violent cities on Earth.

00:01:53.000 It's a really terrible place.

00:01:54.000 It's dominated by the drug cartels.

00:01:56.000 It's also the source of many illegal immigrants who have been coming across the border.

00:01:59.000 A lot of people travel through

00:02:03.000 So, Pope Francis goes to Ciudad Juarez, and there he walks up a walkway to a cross, all of this lined with flowers, and the cross was, quote, erected in memory of migrants who have perished trying to reach the United States just a stone's throw away, according to Reuters.

00:02:22.000 There, the Pope then talked about how the United States' immigration policy was quite terrible and inhumane and all the rest of this.

00:02:29.000 Now, you remember,

00:02:30.000 The Pope has done this sort of thing before.

00:02:33.000 Last time the Pope came to the United States, the Pope went before Congress, lectured them about immigration, he did a rally on the National Mall where he lectured everyone about immigration, and in one of the things that I truly despise about this Pope's perspective, he did not even bother to talk about abortion when faced with a chamber of Democrats and Barack Obama

00:02:52.000 Who are pro-abortion in every circumstance, instead he talked about the death penalty.

00:02:56.000 So this is somebody who does not have a solid moral hierarchy.

00:03:01.000 And again, I'm not Catholic, so I don't feel any allegiance to the Pope.

00:03:04.000 And I'll criticize him just like I would, by the way, I would criticize a rabbi the same way.

00:03:07.000 I have criticized Orthodox rabbis the same way.

00:03:10.000 So, all of that being said, here's what happened today.

00:03:13.000 So, the Pope did an interview with reporters and he said, quote,

00:03:17.000 He was asked about the presidential election.

00:03:19.000 He said, quote,

00:03:41.000 Well, thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Pope.

00:03:44.000 So if you're only interested in building walls and not bridges, then you are a bad Christian.

00:03:48.000 You're not Christian at all, right?

00:03:49.000 You're not Christian at all.

00:03:50.000 So this is the same Pope, by the way, who has said in the past, who am I to judge with regard to a homosexual banker in the Catholic Church?

00:03:57.000 He was asked about that.

00:03:58.000 He said, who am I to judge?

00:03:59.000 But when it comes to building border walls, if you want to build border walls, then you are apparently not Christian.

00:04:04.000 Forget the fact that the Bible is replete.

00:04:07.000 Replete!

00:04:08.000 With walled cities.

00:04:09.000 Jerusalem is a walled city.

00:04:10.000 If you go to Jerusalem, there's a giant wall all around the old city of Jerusalem, and fortifications are...

00:04:16.000 Throughout the Holy Land, throughout the land that Jesus walked, fortifications were everywhere.

00:04:22.000 All the cities were walled.

00:04:23.000 If you read the Talmud, they talk about the differences between walled and unwalled cities all the time.

00:04:27.000 So historically speaking, this is nonsense.

00:04:30.000 People built walls all the time back in the old days to keep people out.

00:04:33.000 That's what walls are for.

00:04:34.000 In fact, all the Pope has to do is go to his bedroom window and take a look out and this is what he will see.

00:04:39.000 This is the wall around Vatican City.

00:04:42.000 As you can see, it's 50 to 100 feet high.

00:04:46.000 I've been there.

00:04:47.000 It's obviously impenetrable.

00:04:48.000 I mean, this sucker is big, and it is rough, and no one is getting in.

00:04:53.000 Vatican City itself has one of the strictest immigration policies on the planet.

00:04:57.000 There are 800 people who live in Vatican City.

00:04:59.000 Only 450 of them, however, are citizens.

00:05:02.000 As Bernie Sanders might say, for a Vatican that is worth in excess of $10 billion to have only 450 citizens, that's an average of $12,500,000 per citizen.

00:05:12.000 I mean, the GDP per capita, the wealth per capita is immense.

00:05:15.000 Why not just redistribute all that wealth?

00:05:17.000 Pope Francis, I mean, you're in favor of redistribution.

00:05:19.000 Why not just open these borders?

00:05:21.000 I mean, I've been to the Vatican.

00:05:22.000 It's a beautiful place.

00:05:22.000 There's plenty of room.

00:05:24.000 It's a small city, but there's plenty of nice stuff there.

00:05:26.000 St.

00:05:27.000 Peter's Basilica is enormous.

00:05:29.000 You can probably fit a few beds in there, a few cradles in there.

00:05:31.000 Why not just open it up to the world's poor and hungry and make them citizens of Vatican City?

00:05:35.000 Why not just pay for their welfare?

00:05:38.000 Now, there are people who are Catholic who are very upset at criticism of the Pope about this.

00:05:43.000 They say, well, he didn't build this wall.

00:05:44.000 Right, well, it turns out that Gorbachev didn't build the Berlin Wall either, but he tore it down, didn't he?

00:05:49.000 Or he allowed it to be torn down.

00:05:51.000 So if the Pope really doesn't like walls, then he can tear this one down all the same.

00:05:55.000 The Pope is a political leftist, and that's his prerogative.

00:05:59.000 But to masquerade that his political leftism is in fact religious in its nature is silly.

00:06:05.000 Okay, there are people who do this in the name of the Bible in Judaism and in Protestantism, and they do it in Catholicism also.

00:06:10.000 It just so happens that this Pope is doing it in the name of Catholicism.

00:06:13.000 So, Donald Trump fights back, and Donald Trump releases a long Trumpian statement.

00:06:18.000 And here's what Donald Trump has said.

00:06:19.000 He says, in response to the Pope,

00:06:22.000 If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been president, because this would not have happened.

00:06:36.000 ISIS would have been eradicated, unlike what is happening now with our all-talk, no-action politicians.

00:06:42.000 Okay, the ISIS slap is actually not a terrible slap.

00:06:45.000 That's right.

00:06:45.000 I mean, the Pope has really done very little to stop ISIS.

00:06:49.000 And Trump says I'll destroy ISIS?

00:06:51.000 That's not a terrible case.

00:06:53.000 Then Donald Trump goes on, because this is what Donald Trump does.

00:06:55.000 He says,

00:07:03.000 First of all, you can tell Trump wrote it himself because it's grammar-free.

00:07:05.000 It says,

00:07:24.000 And our leadership in every aspect of negotiation.

00:07:26.000 For a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful.

00:07:30.000 I am proud to be a Christian, and as president, I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now with our current president.

00:07:38.000 No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith.

00:07:42.000 They are using the Pope as a pawn, and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant.

00:07:50.000 So most of this I actually agree with.

00:07:52.000 The part with Trump that I disagree is it's all about him personally, of course, of course.

00:07:56.000 They're just bad-mouthing me to the Pope.

00:08:00.000 It's what the Mexican government is doing.

00:08:02.000 And then this one line always bugs me.

00:08:04.000 He says, I'm proud to be a Christian, and then he says, no leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith.

00:08:12.000 The Pope has said this sort of thing in the past, too.

00:08:14.000 There are a lot of Christians who say this sort of thing, you know, judge not lest ye be judged, and all this routine.

00:08:20.000 Okay, that's taking the Bible significantly out of context.

00:08:24.000 The fact is that Jesus wandered the earth telling people that they were bad Christians.

00:08:28.000 Well, really, they were bad Jews.

00:08:29.000 He walked and wandered around the earth telling them that they were not sufficiently religious, and he wasn't the only prophet to do so, right?

00:08:35.000 I don't believe in him as a prophet, I'm a Jew, but there are plenty of Jewish prophets who did this too.

00:08:40.000 Tons of them.

00:08:41.000 Isaiah did this routinely, walking around telling people that they were bad Jews because of what they were doing.

00:08:47.000 Moses did this routinely like religious leaders always tell people that they're bad at being Jews or Christians or Muslims It's just something you do because if there's no standard then your faith doesn't really matter all that much I've said I think Trump is by the way Trump is a hypocrite on this He called Ted Cruz a bad Christian like 24 hours ago, and he's saying no one can call me a bad Christian But he's not a bad Trump is not a bad Christian because he does because he wants a wall Trump's a bad Christian for a variety of other reasons, but he's not a bad Christian because he wants a border wall.

00:09:14.000 That's idiotic.

00:09:15.000 That's idiotic so

00:09:17.000 Reluctantly, I have to side with Trump.

00:09:19.000 Reluctantly, Donald Trump is right.

00:09:21.000 And it's only reluctant because I really, if you can't tell folks over the past few weeks, I've gotten to really not appreciate Trump.

00:09:27.000 Okay, but the fact is...

00:09:29.000 That Trump in this situation is right.

00:09:31.000 Trump is correct on this.

00:09:33.000 And by the way, he's actually kind of lucky that the Pope attacked him and the media construed it as attacking Trump personally.

00:09:38.000 You'll notice from the Pope's statement, he didn't actually call out Trump by name.

00:09:43.000 He said, anybody who wants a wall.

00:09:44.000 So that would apply to Cruz and Rubio, by the way, and also pretty much everybody but Jeb Bush.

00:09:49.000 Even John Kasich says he wants a wall.

00:09:51.000 But the media played it as Trump versus the Pope, and Trump has never been afraid of shying away from a headline, and also, he likes the battle, and so Donald Trump jumped right in there.

00:10:02.000 Okay, so with those kind words for Donald Trump out of the way, now I want to talk about what happened on TV last night.

00:10:07.000 So last night, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz both did interviews on CNN, town hall interviews on CNN, and Donald Trump counter-programmed with his own routine on MSNBC.

00:10:23.000 And so we'll start with Trump, because I want to compare these three candidates.

00:10:26.000 Donald Trump is the kind of guy who sues

00:10:30.000 People who disagree with him, right?

00:10:31.000 So Donald Trump yesterday said that he would sue, we talked about this yesterday, he said he would sue Ted Cruz if he doesn't apologize for the ads that he's running.

00:10:38.000 Here's Donald Trump.

00:10:40.000 But he's a liar.

00:10:41.000 So he'll go up and he'll absolutely lie.

00:10:43.000 In fact, Henry, who is Lieutenant Governor, said I can't believe the things he's saying because he understands the views on everything and he just comes out and boom, boom, boom.

00:10:53.000 Absolute lies.

00:10:54.000 Now, he'll apologize, but I don't want an apology after the election.

00:10:57.000 I want the apology before.

00:10:58.000 And if he doesn't, I'm going to bring a lawsuit because, in my opinion, based on what I've learned over the last two, three days from very top lawyers, he doesn't even have the right to serve as president or even run as president.

00:11:10.000 He was born in Canada.

00:11:11.000 So I will bring that lawsuit if he doesn't apologize.

00:11:14.000 So, the nice thing about the strongman is that he's willing to say things that need to be said to people as powerful as the Pope.

00:11:20.000 The bad thing is that he also thinks that he can basically just shut people up whenever he pleases.

00:11:25.000 Ted Cruz, by the way, responded to this, and he said, please, please, Donald, please sue me, this is clip seven.

00:11:31.000 Here's Cruz responding to that.

00:11:33.000 By threatening that if we will not pull down the ad, that Mr. Trump will seek immediate legal action to prevent the continued broadcast

00:11:44.000 You know, I have to say to Mr. Trump, you have been threatening frivolous lawsuits for your entire adult life.

00:11:49.000 Even in the annals of frivolous lawsuits, this takes the cake.

00:12:14.000 So Donald, I would encourage you, if you want to file a lawsuit challenging this ad, claiming it is defamation, file the lawsuit.

00:12:26.000 It is a remarkable contention that an ad that plays video of Donald Trump speaking on national television is somehow defamation.

00:12:42.000 The operative words in that ad come from Donald Trump's own mouth.

00:12:48.000 And I understand, if a candidate has a record like Donald Trump's, how he could consider anyone pointing to his actual record being defamation.

00:13:00.000 Okay, so there's Cruz.

00:13:01.000 We can stop it there.

00:13:02.000 There's Cruz coming back at Trump from a legal basis, from a constitutional basis, saying, you don't just get to shut people up because you don't like what they're saying, but this is who Trump is.

00:13:10.000 So last night, in what was a humorous turn of events, Trump said a couple of things that were ridiculous.

00:13:17.000 First of all, he implied that there was some sort of 9-11 conspiracy theory to hide the true source of the 9-11 attacks.

00:13:22.000 Here's Donald Trump doing that last night.

00:13:24.000 This is a routine in South Carolina.

00:13:27.000 We went after Iraq.

00:13:30.000 They did not knock down the World Trade Center.

00:13:32.000 Okay?

00:13:32.000 It wasn't the Iraqis that knocked down the World Trade Center.

00:13:36.000 We went after Iraq.

00:13:37.000 We decimated the country.

00:13:39.000 Iran's taken over.

00:13:39.000 Okay.

00:13:40.000 But it wasn't the Iraqis.

00:13:43.000 You will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center, because they have papers in there that are very secret.

00:13:47.000 You may find it's the Saudis.

00:13:50.000 Okay?

00:13:50.000 But you will find out.

00:13:51.000 But it wasn't Iraq.

00:13:52.000 So you say, but when I look at a guy like Lindsey Graham, then I hear his theory on the war.

00:13:57.000 You'll be in there forever.

00:13:58.000 You'll be in there and you'll end up starting World War 3 with a guy like that, too.

00:14:01.000 We don't want World War 3 over Syria.

00:14:04.000 Okay?

00:14:04.000 We don't want World... Do we agree with that?

00:14:06.000 We don't want World War... But... So if we just check the papers, we'll find out who actually perpetrated 9-11.

00:14:12.000 Here's the worst of Trump, okay?

00:14:13.000 Here's... Here's... All of this is Trump at his... This is all peak Trump.

00:14:17.000 So peak Trump on the positive side is the Pope says something ridiculous about border walls and Trump's maximum.

00:14:22.000 That's peak Trump.

00:14:23.000 Valley Trump, you know, he has the deepest valleys.

00:14:26.000 Valley Trump is, I'll sue people if they run things about me that I don't like, and 9-11 we're gonna dig into and find out who is responsible, and presumably we'll also open up Area 51, and we'll get into that as well.

00:14:38.000 And then finally, this, honestly, this next clip, for all you Trump supporters out there, this should tell you who Donald Trump is.

00:14:46.000 This is Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski over on MSNBC with Donald Trump last night.

00:14:52.000 Here we go.

00:14:53.000 I wanted to describe a candidate to you.

00:14:56.000 The candidate is considered a political outsider by all the pundits.

00:14:59.000 He's tapping into the anger of the voters, delivers a populist message.

00:15:04.000 He believes everyone in the country should have health care.

00:15:06.000 He advocates for hedge fund managers to pay higher taxes.

00:15:10.000 He's drawing thousands of people at his rallies and bringing in a lot of new voters to the political process.

00:15:16.000 And he's not beholden to any super PAC.

00:15:20.000 Who am I describing?

00:15:21.000 Or any special interests or any donors.

00:15:23.000 You're describing Donald Trump.

00:15:25.000 Actually, I was describing Bernie Sanders.

00:15:27.000 Well, that's good.

00:15:28.000 Okay, and then he goes on to suggest that Sanders is good on trade.

00:15:32.000 And what's amazing about this, I mean, truly amazing about this, first of all, for those of you who are fans of the Bible, right, I'm a fan of the Old Testament, New Testament,

00:15:41.000 I'm not as big on, for obvious reasons, but the Old Testament, I'm really big on.

00:15:45.000 And one of the books of the Tanakh, the Torah and the Vim and the Ketuvim, that would be the Bible, the Pentateuch, I'm trying to translate it into English, the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and the Writings.

00:15:59.000 One of the books of that is something called the Book of Esther.

00:16:03.000 We celebrate it on Purim.

00:16:04.000 In the Book of Esther, there's a situation in which Ahasuerus, Ahasuerus,

00:16:08.000 He is trying to, he's trying to reward Mordecai for having done him a service.

00:16:14.000 And so he goes to Haman, he goes to Haman, who is his, who is his advisor, the evil guy in the story, and he says to him, you know, okay, Haman, come here.

00:16:21.000 I want you to tell me if...

00:16:23.000 If the king wanted to reward someone, what would he do for him?

00:16:26.000 And Haman immediately thinks, oh, he's talking about me.

00:16:28.000 I would, you know, I would put him on a horse, and I would have him ride through the city, big parade, put him in the king's garments.

00:16:33.000 And then Ahasuerus says, well, all that you've said, go do that to Mordecai, who's kind of his mortal enemy.

00:16:38.000 That's this, right?

00:16:39.000 So Trump, first of all, the fact that he can't see the telegraph punch coming is kind of amazing.

00:16:43.000 Like, they read him this vague description, and you ask that to me, and I would immediately say, I know exactly what you're doing, right?

00:16:49.000 You're citing me all this stuff about Bernie Sanders.

00:16:51.000 Trump doesn't see it coming.

00:16:52.000 But more importantly,

00:16:53.000 One of the characteristics was in favor of universal health care.

00:16:57.000 And Trump goes, yep.

00:16:59.000 He's been bashing Ted Cruz for saying that Cruz is lying when Cruz says that he's in favor of universal health care.

00:17:06.000 And right there, he just says that he and Bernie Sanders basically agree on universal health care.

00:17:09.000 So there's Donald Trump.

00:17:11.000 Okay.

00:17:11.000 Candidate number two, Marco Rubio.

00:17:13.000 So Rubio last night, he does the CNN town hall and everybody is just over the moon about how well Rubio does.

00:17:20.000 This is a forum that fits him.

00:17:22.000 He gets to talk, he gets to be sensitive.

00:17:24.000 This is his thing.

00:17:25.000 He's a very sensitive candidate.

00:17:27.000 You know, you've seen me, you've heard me on the show.

00:17:30.000 Sensitivity ain't exactly my cup of tea.

00:17:33.000 I don't really care about sensitivity because, honestly, I don't care about your feelings.

00:17:37.000 Your feelings don't matter to me.

00:17:39.000 What matters to me is whether you do good things or whether you do bad things.

00:17:42.000 A feelings-first society is a leftist society.

00:17:44.000 A behavior-first society is a conservative, free society.

00:17:48.000 And that's what I care about.

00:17:50.000 Okay, Rubio is a feelings-first candidate.

00:17:53.000 New poll, by the way, just came out.

00:17:54.000 Trump 33, Rubio 20, Kasich 15, Cruz 13 in South Carolina.

00:17:59.000 If that's the way that this goes, then Trump will win the nomination walking away.

00:18:04.000 Plus, that's a real favor for Cruz, if that's the case.

00:18:06.000 The polls are all over the place in South Carolina, except for Trump having this major lead.

00:18:11.000 Here's Marco Rubio last night on CNN.

00:18:13.000 And here's him saying something that I really find rather distasteful about racism.

00:18:18.000 Here we go.

00:18:19.000 But I also know

00:18:21.000 But I also know that there are communities in this country where minority communities and the police department have a terrible relationship.

00:18:29.000 I personally know someone who happens to be a police officer and a young African-American male who told me that he's been pulled over seven, eight times in the last few years and never gets a ticket.

00:18:40.000 What is he supposed to think?

00:18:41.000 He gets pulled over for no reason, never gets a ticket, no one has any explanation for why he's being pulled over.

00:18:46.000 What is he supposed to think?

00:18:48.000 So I also know that in this country there is a significant number, particularly of young African males, who feel as if they're treated differently than the rest of society.

00:18:57.000 And here's the bottom line.

00:18:58.000 Whether you agree with them or not, I happen to have seen this happen.

00:19:01.000 But whether you agree with them or not, if a significant percentage of the American family believes that they are being treated differently than everyone else, we have a problem.

00:19:09.000 And we have to address it as a society and as a country.

00:19:12.000 Because I do not believe we can fulfill our potential as a nation unless we address that.

00:19:16.000 I'm not sure there's a political solution to that problem, but there are things we can do.

00:19:20.000 For example, one of the reasons why you see both educational and academic underperformance, not just in the African-American community, but also in the Hispanic community,

00:19:29.000 It's because a disproportionate number of our children are growing up in broken homes, in dangerous neighborhoods, living in substandard housing, and forced by the government to attend a failing school.

00:19:39.000 Okay, let's pause it right there.

00:19:40.000 So the last part of what he's saying is, of course, true.

00:19:43.000 But here's the part that matters to me, the part that annoys me, and there's the part about Rubio a lot of Republicans love.

00:19:48.000 But he says there are people who have feelings, and whether those feelings are justified or unjustified, they have the feelings.

00:19:56.000 I don't care.

00:19:57.000 I don't care.

00:19:58.000 If you have an unjustified feeling, I don't care about your feeling.

00:20:01.000 Not only do I not care about your feeling, me humoring your feeling is counterproductive.

00:20:05.000 Okay, as I'm fond of saying, it's my pinned tweet, my only pinned tweet.

00:20:09.000 Facts don't care about your feelings.

00:20:10.000 Okay, the reality is, the problems in the black community are not attributable to some out-there-in-the-ether racism.

00:20:17.000 They're not.

00:20:18.000 If you want to find individual racists who are doing stuff, go do something about it.

00:20:21.000 By the way, Rubio's a hypocrite here too, when he says, I've seen it happen, I've seen black people pulled over for no reason.

00:20:26.000 Okay, so why didn't you report them?

00:20:29.000 Right?

00:20:29.000 How would you know?

00:20:30.000 Were you in their head?

00:20:31.000 How do you know it was for no reason?

00:20:32.000 I'd like to hear the specifics on that.

00:20:33.000 What was the racial profiling incident you saw, Marco Rubio, and you didn't report?

00:20:38.000 What was it?

00:20:39.000 Obviously, he's not going to cite that because he's just trying to... What that is, is it's a signal to black communities, I care about your concerns.

00:20:46.000 But what if your concerns are wrong?

00:20:48.000 What if the concerns are wrong?

00:20:50.000 What if it turns out that the things that you are saying are not actually correct?

00:20:55.000 What if it turns out that you are perceiving something that is not real and is actually an obstacle to your success?

00:21:01.000 Wouldn't it be better to say to people, look, racism is not the biggest problem in American life.

00:21:05.000 It's not even on the list of top hundred problems in American life.

00:21:09.000 Here are some things that you can do to succeed right now.

00:21:12.000 The problem with the way that Rubio phrases it is he's trying to connect two things that are actually disconnected.

00:21:17.000 He's saying people feel discriminated against.

00:21:19.000 Also, single motherhood is bad.

00:21:22.000 How does that address your feelings of being targeted on the basis of race?

00:21:28.000 It doesn't do anything.

00:21:29.000 You still feel targeted on the basis of race, even if what Rubio is saying is true at the end.

00:21:33.000 The only way to really do this is to say, look, some feelings are justified, some feelings are unjustified.

00:21:39.000 But feelings don't matter.

00:21:40.000 All that matters is behavior.

00:21:41.000 If you want to succeed in America, work hard, fly right, get married before you have a kid, hold down a job, don't be a criminal.

00:21:50.000 That's it.

00:21:51.000 And if you just say that, then it would be better.

00:21:53.000 But that's not Rubio's ball.

00:21:55.000 What Rubio does is he talks about how he's experienced the American experience.

00:22:00.000 And maybe I'm an anachronism in politics.

00:22:03.000 Maybe this is not the way politics works anymore.

00:22:05.000 Maybe we all have to pour out our hearts on the floor about how our common experience is.

00:22:11.000 I'm not somebody who tends to believe that who you are defines the rectitude or decency of your argument.

00:22:17.000 I believe that an argument is either good or it's bad and it doesn't matter who says it.

00:22:20.000 If a bad person makes a good argument, the argument is still good.

00:22:23.000 If a good person makes a bad argument, the argument is still bad.

00:22:27.000 And so I'm not gonna buy into the idea that all feelings are equally decent or relevant or that they matter or that they should matter to everybody.

00:22:37.000 What's he gonna say to all these women who say that they're being paid less than men?

00:22:41.000 You say you're being discriminated against and who am I to say your feelings are wrong?

00:22:46.000 Well then, do something about it, right?

00:22:48.000 So people will say, the other shoe needs to drop.

00:22:50.000 What are you going to do about it, right?

00:22:52.000 And then he says, well, government can't do anything, so why don't I vote for Hillary?

00:22:54.000 Hillary not only says that my feelings are correct, Hillary also says that she'll fix this.

00:23:00.000 Hillary says the same thing Rubio does, except she doesn't then shy away.

00:23:02.000 She then says, I'll dump hundreds of billions of dollars into the black community.

00:23:07.000 This is the mistake.

00:23:08.000 You actually have to speak truth to people.

00:23:10.000 This is my problem with Rubio.

00:23:12.000 Rubio does it again when he talks about, less so here, but he talks about how he's lived paycheck to paycheck, and this is the part where the Republican higher-ups just, they orgasm over this stuff.

00:23:21.000 It's just, oh boy, doesn't Marco Rubio just get people?

00:23:25.000 He just feels like he cares about you.

00:23:28.000 Here's Rubio doing that routine.

00:23:29.000 Big government hurts people that are trying to make it.

00:23:32.000 Because the bigger the government, the more the people that influence government win at the expense of everybody else.

00:23:37.000 Look at Dodd-Frank.

00:23:38.000 It passed.

00:23:39.000 The big banks are bigger today than ever.

00:23:41.000 The regional banks and the community banks are getting wiped out.

00:23:44.000 So we have a message and we're going to take it.

00:23:46.000 We're going to take our message to people living paycheck to paycheck.

00:23:49.000 You know why I know I can take that message to them?

00:23:51.000 Because I grew up paycheck to paycheck.

00:23:53.000 Because my wife and I have lived paycheck to paycheck.

00:23:56.000 Because I've written a check on Wednesday knowing that the money doesn't get there till Friday, so I date it Saturday.

00:24:00.000 I've had to do that.

00:24:02.000 I know what that feels like.

00:24:03.000 We're going to take our message to young Americans struggling under thousands of dollars in student loan debt.

00:24:08.000 We're going to be the party of the single mom that is struggling to raise her children on $11 an hour because we're going to be the party that makes it easier for her to go back to school and get the degree that allows her to find a better paying job.

00:24:19.000 We're going to take our message to parents raising their children in the 21st century, because my wife and I are raising four children right now.

00:24:25.000 We know how hard it is to instill in our children the values that they teach in our church, instead of the values that the culture tries to ram down our throat.

00:24:32.000 My goal is not just to unify the party, but to grow it, and ultimately to unify our country.

00:24:37.000 That doesn't mean everyone's going to agree with me on everything.

00:24:40.000 But I'm going to be a president for all Americans.

00:24:42.000 Even the people that don't vote for me?

00:24:44.000 And he's rattling it off and it all sounds very good.

00:24:46.000 This is the part where I look at Rubio and I think this is a bit robotic for me.

00:24:49.000 I mean, it's clear that he's so smooth, there's not even a pause.

00:24:52.000 There's not even a pause for breath or to think about what he's going to say next.

00:24:56.000 No one speaks spontaneously like this.

00:24:58.000 This is a stump speech, which is fine.

00:24:59.000 I mean, stump speeches are stump speeches.

00:25:01.000 But when he says things like, you know, I know that I can fix things for people who've lived paycheck to paycheck because I've lived paycheck to paycheck.

00:25:08.000 Let me explain something.

00:25:09.000 If your qualification for fixing things for people who live paycheck-to-paycheck is that you live or have lived paycheck-to-paycheck, I'll just go find someone who's lived paycheck-to-paycheck and is living now paycheck-to-paycheck to solve my problems.

00:25:22.000 This is not a qualification.

00:25:24.000 The fact that you understand the plight is not a qualification for a good answer.

00:25:28.000 I mean, the reality is Trump actually has a better case, right?

00:25:32.000 He's never lived paycheck to paycheck, but he says, at least I've made a lot of money.

00:25:34.000 You want to know how to make a lot of money?

00:25:36.000 Talk to me.

00:25:37.000 Right?

00:25:37.000 That's a better case then.

00:25:38.000 I understand your problems.

00:25:40.000 And you've lived paycheck to paycheck.

00:25:42.000 This is why, again, I don't talk about the fact I grew up middle middle class because it's not important.

00:25:47.000 Right?

00:25:47.000 I take care of my money.

00:25:49.000 I try to earn money.

00:25:51.000 I try to better myself.

00:25:51.000 I try to increase my skill set.

00:25:53.000 I try to diversify the kinds of jobs that I'm capable of doing.

00:25:58.000 That's how you succeed, but you shouldn't believe me just because at one point my parents were poorer than they are now.

00:26:03.000 That's silly.

00:26:04.000 That's silly.

00:26:05.000 So, you know, all the things about Rubio that people like are things that I tend to dislike.

00:26:09.000 So, finally, we get to Ted Cruz.

00:26:10.000 So here's Ted Cruz, and the problem with Cruz is that he's Cruz.

00:26:15.000 You know, Cruz is—I would say that Cruz is all substance and no style, and Rubio is all style and no substance.

00:26:20.000 They're almost inverse of each other.

00:26:23.000 And they're the two candidates I like the best in this race, but they're inverse in those terms.

00:26:29.000 So Cruz tried to pull a Rubio last night.

00:26:31.000 He tried to be a little bit more likable.

00:26:33.000 And a lot of the Cruz fans are saying, oh, it's the best Cruz has ever looked.

00:26:36.000 He looked the most likable he can look.

00:26:37.000 Right.

00:26:38.000 He looks the most likable he can look.

00:26:40.000 And that's, you know, there's an upper limit for Cruise.

00:26:43.000 Again, I think that Cruise would actually be better off going full out.

00:26:49.000 Not trying to do the I'm smooth, I care about you routine.

00:26:52.000 Nobody believes that.

00:26:53.000 But just embracing the fight.

00:26:55.000 Embracing the fight and taking joy in the fight.

00:26:57.000 And instead, the feeling you get from Cruz is that he's sort of tiptoeing along a balance beam always.

00:27:02.000 So here's Cruz talking about how he met his wife and how he sings to his wife sometimes when he's on the road.

00:27:08.000 But your wife mentioned this to CNN a while back that you occasionally, when you call her on the phone, you sing to her?

00:27:14.000 You sing musicals?

00:27:15.000 Is that true?

00:27:17.000 Well, embarrassingly enough, yes.

00:27:19.000 And I am a painfully horrible singer.

00:27:24.000 Is this punishment?

00:27:26.000 I'm hoping it is sort of sincere and endearing.

00:27:30.000 What's your favorite musical?

00:27:32.000 I actually don't sing musicals.

00:27:34.000 I will sing things like...

00:27:39.000 Oh my darling, oh my darling, oh my darling Heidi Tine.

00:27:43.000 Okay, alright.

00:27:44.000 Which is really corny.

00:27:46.000 But, you know, I used to do it when she'd put it on speakerphone in her office and embarrass her.

00:27:50.000 Or, you know, I'd kind of do, you know, I just called to say I love you.

00:27:55.000 I just called to say I care.

00:27:58.000 I cannot sing to save my life, but my wife seems to at least laugh at it.

00:28:02.000 Alright.

00:28:04.000 Okay, this is, so, so, Cruz, you know, this is all supposed to be endearing.

00:28:08.000 The problem with Cruz, you can see all the gears turning, right?

00:28:10.000 There's actually a point here where, where, where Anderson Cooper says to him, you know, is this supposed to be, like, torture?

00:28:16.000 And what Cruz should say back is, well, it depends on, you know, if we're fighting or not.

00:28:20.000 It's like, yeah, maybe it's torture.

00:28:21.000 I mean, it's pretty awful.

00:28:23.000 But instead he says, well, I'm actually just hoping that it's sincere and endearing.

00:28:28.000 Don't show your hand.

00:28:29.000 I mean, you're playing political cards, and you say, well, I'm hoping that this story will make you feel warm feelings about me so that when you go in the ballot box, you remember how much I love my wife, and then you think, oh, well, he's probably a good guy, and then you vote.

00:28:41.000 That's what I'm really hoping.

00:28:42.000 Like, why would you possibly expose that in front of the entire world?

00:28:45.000 He can't help himself.

00:28:47.000 And that's the problem for Ted Cruz.

00:28:50.000 And again, he's better when he's on attack.

00:28:51.000 Like yesterday, for example, he went on attack against Marco Rubio, and here's what he said about Marco Rubio.

00:28:56.000 And this is actually Cruz when Cruz is being Cruz.

00:28:58.000 Here we go.

00:29:00.000 Marco Rubio is behaving like Donald Trump with a smile.

00:29:07.000 At the debate, I made points about Marco's record on immigration.

00:29:12.000 Number one, that Marco right now, currently, supports granting citizenship

00:29:19.000 To the 12 million people here illegally.

00:29:22.000 That is a fact.

00:29:24.000 It is a fact, he said, just a couple of debates ago, on the debate stage, that he currently supports that.

00:29:29.000 And he acknowledged, this may not be the majority view in my party, but I, Marco Rubio, support it.

00:29:35.000 And he said it on Meet the Press, with Chuck Todd, just a few weeks ago, where he went even further and said he would grant citizenship to illegal aliens with criminal convictions.

00:29:49.000 The first point I made about immigration that Marco currently supports granting citizenship to the people here illegally is a fact.

00:29:54.000 It is his own record, it is his own words.

00:29:58.000 The second observation I made about it is that in Florida he supported granting in-state tuition to illegal immigrants.

00:30:05.000 That likewise is a fact.

00:30:08.000 There's no gray area, there's no interpretation, it is a legislative fact.

00:30:14.000 And the third point I made.

00:30:21.000 is that Marco went on Univision in Spanish and said that on his first day in office he would not rescind President Obama's illegal executive amnesty.

00:30:33.000 Now that, too, is a fact.

00:30:34.000 Look, the Univision, you can go watch the video.

00:30:38.000 He said this on national television.

00:30:40.000 It is this bizarre notion that the words said on national television somehow don't exist.

00:30:46.000 And Marco's response was exactly the same as Donald's.

00:30:49.000 It was to yell, liar, liar, liar.

00:30:58.000 What Cruz is doing here, this is where Cruz at his best.

00:30:59.000 He's being a lawyer.

00:31:01.000 Cruz is a terrific lawyer, and he's being a lawyer, and this is Cruz being good.

00:31:05.000 It doesn't have the same warmth as Rubio, but it has a lot more substance than Rubio.

00:31:12.000 Here's the thing.

00:31:13.000 Rubio is pithy, but empty in many ways.

00:31:17.000 Cruz is not pithy and not empty.

00:31:20.000 And Trump is both pithy and empty.

00:31:24.000 And so you sort of have these balances among the candidates.

00:31:29.000 The one who I care about is, of course, the substance guy, and that's why I back Cruz.

00:31:32.000 And that's why I sort of object to the case that Rubio is the greatest possible candidate.

00:31:38.000 I think he actually hands the Democrats half their argument.

00:31:40.000 And then when he says things like, your feelings are deeply, deeply important to me.

00:31:44.000 Also, I'm not going to use the government to do anything to help you.

00:31:46.000 Why don't you try the other party?

00:31:48.000 That's not a particularly helpful tack.

00:31:50.000 Okay, so the other candidate who's been hanging around is the guy who's been seeing the biggest surge, and this makes me just want to put my head in a cheese grater, is of course, John, oh god no, Kasich.

00:32:01.000 John, oh God, we're about to watch a clip of two of my least favorite people in one room together and the universe didn't implode.

00:32:08.000 Chris Matthews, I mean, I'm as you say, is asking John Kay some questions.

00:32:13.000 Both of them brushed their hair with their shoes this morning and then they went on national TV to talk about things.

00:32:18.000 What do you say about things, John Kay?

00:32:20.000 What do you think about these things, John Kay?

00:32:21.000 Let's talk about it.

00:32:22.000 Let's go.

00:32:22.000 No.

00:32:23.000 So they're ready.

00:32:24.000 They are ready to work with us.

00:32:26.000 And then in Europe, I mean, we've never had Europe more prepared.

00:32:28.000 Why don't they join the United Force?

00:32:30.000 Why doesn't the Arab League get together?

00:32:32.000 Well, because we have to show the leadership.

00:32:34.000 They're not going to do all this.

00:32:35.000 OK, what do we do?

00:32:35.000 What do you do?

00:32:36.000 Don't you remember when Saddam got kicked out of Kuwait and the Egyptian ambassador was in the Rose Garden saying we're committed to the West?

00:32:43.000 It's still our troops.

00:32:44.000 Well, we have to have our troops there.

00:32:46.000 No, they didn't fight.

00:32:47.000 We did.

00:32:48.000 Some of them were there.

00:32:49.000 They were absolutely there.

00:32:50.000 But look, here's the thing.

00:32:51.000 If we're not leading, they're not coming.

00:32:53.000 And they're not going to lead and we're going to fall.

00:32:56.000 How do you have a limited war with ISIS?

00:33:01.000 If we put guys in the field, and they pick up one of our guys, and they say they're going to behead him, how can the American people put up with that?

00:33:07.000 Well, that's why we've got to go destroy ISIS.

00:33:09.000 No, but what would you do as president?

00:33:11.000 What would you do if we had a guy over there about to be beheaded by ISIS?

00:33:14.000 What would you do?

00:33:15.000 What I would do is I would be on the ground and in the air to destroy ISIS.

00:33:19.000 That's what I would do.

00:33:20.000 I don't want to wait any longer on this.

00:33:22.000 They say we're going to do it in three days.

00:33:23.000 What are you going to do?

00:33:23.000 They're going to behead the guy.

00:33:24.000 What do you do about it?

00:33:25.000 That's why we're there.

00:33:26.000 We're there to destroy them.

00:33:28.000 So we watch the clock and then we just watch the guy get beheaded?

00:33:30.000 Come on, Chris.

00:33:31.000 That's such a silly question.

00:33:32.000 That's a terrible situation.

00:33:33.000 It's war.

00:33:36.000 I know.

00:33:36.000 It's war.

00:33:36.000 They take hostages.

00:33:37.000 I mean, this happens in war.

00:33:39.000 And the longer we wait, the bigger this problem is gonna be.

00:33:41.000 I mean, can't you see what's happening with those folks?

00:33:44.000 There's no negotiation with ISIS.

00:33:47.000 I mean, these folks, they despise the way we live.

00:33:50.000 Their trip to paradise is to destroy us.

00:33:52.000 I agree.

00:33:53.000 Okay, we can even stop this here, and honest to God, I like John Kasich here.

00:33:58.000 Honest to God, I'm watching this, and for the first, a sentence that will never again pass these lips,

00:34:03.000 I like John Kasich here.

00:34:04.000 What John Kasich is saying here is absolutely correct.

00:34:07.000 And then, I'm reminded that John Kasich is still John Kasich.

00:34:11.000 Here is John Kasich last night with another person who I think is just a horror show of a human being, Stephen Colbert.

00:34:18.000 And, again, the universe comes close to but does not completely implode when the two of these people meet on air for the first time.

00:34:25.000 Here we go.

00:34:26.000 If I can't win by being, you know, fundamentally positive, what's the point in winning?

00:34:32.000 I mean, you ought to win.

00:34:35.000 Okay, so what's the positive message?

00:34:37.000 I mean, the positive message that I'm hearing so far is that I'm positive.

00:34:40.000 But what's your positive vision for America?

00:34:42.000 Look, I mean, we have to balance budgets, have common sense regulations.

00:34:46.000 We've got to cut taxes.

00:34:47.000 So some regulation's okay.

00:34:48.000 You're running as a Republican.

00:34:50.000 Some regulation's okay.

00:34:51.000 Look, the Republican Party is my vehicle.

00:34:54.000 It is not my master.

00:34:55.000 Okay?

00:34:56.000 It has never been.

00:34:58.000 So here's the thing, Steven.

00:34:59.000 Boom, boom.

00:35:00.000 I got a mic drop on that one.

00:35:01.000 That's crazy.

00:35:02.000 Okay, and watching him kiss up to Stephen Colbert, what he really should say when he says, well, what's your message other than your positive?

00:35:09.000 You should say, well, you never asked Hillary Clinton or Bill or Barack Obama that.

00:35:15.000 You've been buying into their platitudes for years.

00:35:17.000 You don't care about my agenda.

00:35:19.000 But he doesn't see Colbert as an enemy.

00:35:21.000 He sees Colbert as an ally in this whole thing.

00:35:23.000 And so every time John Kasich says something where I listen, I go, okay, that's not bad, like ISIS.

00:35:28.000 Then he immediately comes back with something like this.

00:35:31.000 Meanwhile, just to cap off the presidential talk portion here, Hillary Clinton, she's caught on video talking to a 10-year-old dreamer that's an illegal immigrant child, and here's how that looked.

00:35:44.000 And I'll tell you why this is important in a second.

00:35:47.000 When my parents, they have a rule of deportation, I'm scared for them because of the deportation.

00:35:55.000 I'm scared that they're going to be deported.

00:36:10.000 I'm going to do everything I can so you don't have to be scared.

00:36:13.000 And you don't have to worry about what happens to you or somebody else in your family.

00:36:20.000 Feel really, really strongly that you're being very brave.

00:36:23.000 And you have to be brave for them, too.

00:36:26.000 Because they want you to be happy.

00:36:28.000 They want you to be successful.

00:36:29.000 They don't want you to worry too much.

00:36:31.000 Let me do the worrying.

00:36:32.000 I'll do all the worrying.

00:36:33.000 Is that a deal?

00:36:34.000 I'll do the worry.

00:36:35.000 I'll do everything I can to help, okay?

00:36:40.000 Oh, people smiling.

00:36:43.000 I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approve this message.

00:36:46.000 Yeah, I'm sure you did.

00:36:47.000 That's not a setup at all, by the way.

00:36:50.000 You got the crying girl, and then she's, oh, come up here for a big hug from Grandma.

00:36:57.000 It's just it's such a setup.

00:36:59.000 But the reason that I'm showing this is because what I say about Rubio and when I say that Hillary takes Rubio one step further.

00:37:05.000 So what would Rubio say to this girl, right?

00:37:07.000 Supposedly he's now campaigning as a border security guy.

00:37:09.000 So what would he say?

00:37:11.000 What do you say to her?

00:37:12.000 I'm gonna do everything in my power to make sure that you say you don't worry about it.

00:37:15.000 I'll take care of you.

00:37:16.000 Rubio would say I totally understand how you feel.

00:37:19.000 But these are problems that have to be solved outside of government.

00:37:21.000 And you know, there's there's we do have a border and all this.

00:37:24.000 This is why the Feelings and Carings message, it's very difficult to overcome a party whose entire reason for being is fascism through feelings with freedom through feelings.

00:37:35.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:37:36.000 Freedom is not a feelings-oriented concept.

00:37:40.000 You're not free because you have a feeling of freedom.

00:37:42.000 You're free because nobody is in your grill.

00:37:44.000 You're free because no one is bothering you.

00:37:46.000 And so when you talk feelings, you're going to end up in further and further left territory.

00:37:50.000 Okay, a couple of things that one thing that I like and then some things that I hate and then the mailbag and we'll get it all in.

00:37:56.000 I promise.

00:37:56.000 Okay.

00:37:56.000 So the thing that I like there's if you ever want to read a really good book debunking utilitarianism and one of the one of the great challenges to conservative philosophy.

00:38:06.000 Okay, so, number one.

00:38:33.000 I just have a question about the media.

00:38:34.000 So there was a story that came out the other day that one of Bill Clinton's old mistresses is now talking to the media.

00:38:41.000 She's a former Miss Arkansas.

00:38:43.000 Her name is Sally Miller.

00:38:44.000 And she is saying that she had an affair with Bill way back when.

00:38:48.000 Way back in the 1980s, she had an affair with Bill.

00:38:51.000 And she says that at the time, that at the time that she had this affair with Bill, that Bill said to her that Hillary was a lesbian.

00:39:02.000 That Hillary was more vile language than that, but something like, Hillary's got more women than I do, essentially, is what Bill said to her.

00:39:12.000 This is the second person to claim this.

00:39:13.000 Jennifer Flowers, if you remember, actually claimed this about Bill too.

00:39:16.000 Let me just ask you one question.

00:39:18.000 Question for the media.

00:39:19.000 If, let's say, that George W. Bush had had some mistresses, and he'd been telling his mistresses,

00:39:25.000 That Laura was a lesbian.

00:39:27.000 Do you think the media might have covered that?

00:39:29.000 Do you think that the media might have asked Laura Bush whether she was a lesbian?

00:39:34.000 Not that it makes a huge difference whether Hillary's a lesbian.

00:39:36.000 It makes some difference because she's campaigning on the basis of her beautiful lifelong marriage to a serial philanderer and rapist.

00:39:42.000 But aside from that, it doesn't make any difference to me whether she's a lesbian or not.

00:39:46.000 I think she's a horror show either way.

00:39:48.000 But wouldn't the media be all over that if it were Republican?

00:39:50.000 Like all over it?

00:39:52.000 But they're not because it's Hillary and she's a Democrat and so it just remains kind of this underground rumor and all this stuff.

00:39:57.000 So, just a point of fact, something that I hate, the media favoring the Clintons, even on small, silly things like that.

00:40:04.000 Okay, let's do some mailbag.

00:40:05.000 So I get tons of mail now, and if I don't get to your letter, folks, I'm really sorry.

00:40:09.000 We literally get hundreds of emails, and I've actually had Lindsey start going through them and pick out the ones she thinks are most interesting.

00:40:15.000 So, here we go.

00:40:16.000 This is from Harrison.

00:40:18.000 So Harrison writes,

00:40:20.000 I have had an issue conveying the viability of Senator Cruz as a presidential candidate to other conservatives.

00:40:25.000 Their main talking point is his lack of authenticity and his link with Goldman Sachs.

00:40:29.000 They're flocking to Trump in droves.

00:40:31.000 How would you respond to their concerns?

00:40:33.000 Donald Trump is the least sincere candidate in this race.

00:40:36.000 Donald Trump is the person who is only out for Donald Trump.

00:40:39.000 Whatever flaws Cruz may have as a candidate, at least Cruz believes in conservatism.

00:40:44.000 As far as the link to Goldman Sachs, his wife worked for Goldman Sachs.

00:40:47.000 Goldman Sachs is an investment firm.

00:40:49.000 Goldman Sachs has cozy relationships with the government.

00:40:52.000 Cruz is cutting against his own interest when he says he wants to cut off the relationship between Wall Street and Washington, D.C.

00:41:00.000 Okay, Alexander writes, I hope I don't come off as prejudiced, but why are Jews so successful?

00:41:05.000 There's literally no area where they're not successful except maybe sports.

00:41:08.000 Is it something in your religion, upbringing, or did everyone forget about it?

00:41:11.000 Well, okay, so there are a couple of theories.

00:41:13.000 Charles Murray suggests that Jews, they've done IQ studies, and they find that Jews are on average at about 115, which is a full standard deviation above the average for the rest of the United States, for example.

00:41:23.000 Average person in the United States has an IQ of 100.

00:41:26.000 Average Jew has an IQ of 115.

00:41:28.000 The reason that Charles Murray thinks this is because

00:41:30.000 Judaism is both a religion and a culture.

00:41:33.000 It's a religion and a culture on the one hand, and it's an ethnicity.

00:41:35.000 So, because it is both a culture and an ethnicity, it's a culture that values reading and studying very highly.

00:41:42.000 So, people who like reading and who are good scholars tend to procreate more.

00:41:47.000 Like, evolutionarily speaking, the rabbi's son is going to have his pick of the women in a particular community, and he's studied a lot.

00:41:54.000 Like, this is actually one of the things that kind of distinguishes some Jews from others, at least it used to in Judaism, was the idea of the scholar versus what they call the Amhaaretz, the man of the land.

00:42:05.000 Like, the farmer was seen with a little more disdain than the guy who studied all day.

00:42:09.000 So, study has long been kind of a part of Judaism, and that means that

00:42:12.000 We tend to procreate with other smart people and then we have smart babies and those smart babies tend to succeed.

00:42:18.000 Also Judaism is a philosophy with a real work ethic to it.

00:42:22.000 But my first answer explains why secular Jews who have nothing to do with Judaism are still very successful in their field.

00:42:27.000 They come from a long line of people who are involved in Judaism and thus valued intellectual pursuits.

00:42:32.000 Derek writes,

00:42:34.000 I'm friends with a few liberals that are hardcore Bernie supporters.

00:42:37.000 Then they're not liberals.

00:42:38.000 They're leftists.

00:42:39.000 He says, I've tried to argue with them, but one friend on Facebook who's a hardcore Bernie fan doesn't seem to budge.

00:42:44.000 So he says, my friend has apparently suffered nth degree burn wounds.

00:42:47.000 He's definitely a burn victim.

00:42:49.000 I guess he can say, I honestly just want to hear you tear him a new one.

00:42:52.000 Bernie Sanders.

00:42:53.000 And your friend.

00:42:54.000 Your friend is stupid.

00:42:56.000 Your friend is immoral.

00:42:57.000 Because Bernie Sanders is stupid and Bernie Sanders is immoral.

00:42:59.000 What Bernie Sanders says about income inequality is fascist.

00:43:02.000 His vision of a leftist utopia should not govern your freedom.

00:43:06.000 Just because he thinks you shouldn't have as much money as you do, if you didn't steal your money from anyone, if you didn't exploit anyone, then he has no business taking your money from you.

00:43:14.000 It makes him a fascist to try and do so.

00:43:17.000 And your friend is a fascist if he believes in Bernie Sanders too.

00:43:20.000 And that brings me to a brief detour here.

00:43:23.000 I want to talk for a second about this new Bernie Sanders political art.

00:43:27.000 Shepard Fairey, the guy who did the Hope poster, he has this new Bernie Sanders political art.

00:43:32.000 Can we bring that up?

00:43:33.000 This is the Bernie Sanders political art.

00:43:35.000 This is 16.

00:43:36.000 So, here's the Bernie Sanders political art.

00:43:39.000 This is made by the Shepard Fairey guy.

00:43:40.000 It says, Bernie Sanders for President.

00:43:41.000 Feel the Bern.

00:43:42.000 And then it's a woman with wings coming out of her back.

00:43:45.000 And it looks like an old-style fascist.

00:43:48.000 It's an old-style fascist routine.

00:43:49.000 I mean, it's a woman with the wings coming out of her back holding up what looks like a ribbon with another eagle inside.

00:43:54.000 And it was kind of reminiscent of another piece of political art that kind of sprang to mind.

00:44:00.000 This one, right?

00:44:00.000 I mean, this is what it looks like.

00:44:02.000 It looks like old-style fascist iconography.

00:44:05.000 And there's nothing new here.

00:44:06.000 I mean, Hillary Clinton has been doing the same thing.

00:44:07.000 So, for example, here is Hillary Clinton's political banner.

00:44:10.000 This was put up at a recent rally for Hillary Clinton, for Hispanics.

00:44:15.000 And here is Mao's political banner.

00:44:19.000 You may notice that there are some similarities in the iconography here.

00:44:22.000 Bill Whittle has a very good video you should watch about iconography in politics.

00:44:26.000 The fact is that there's a fascist iconography, a fascist imagistic that is very, very rich in the Democratic Party because Democrats are, in essence, fascists.

00:44:37.000 They want to rule your life in any way they possibly can.

00:44:41.000 Josh writes, My open-minded coworker is reading an anti-death penalty book after watching the Making of a Murderer series.

00:44:47.000 Can you suggest a book that makes the case for the death penalty?

00:44:50.000 Yes, it's called the Bible.

00:44:52.000 The Bible says it in one sentence, you know, he who sheds blood by man shall his blood be shed.

00:44:57.000 End of story.

00:44:58.000 The reason for the death penalty is very simple.

00:45:00.000 It's either deterrence, which may or may not work.

00:45:04.000 It's society making sure that people don't just wander around taking revenge on each other.

00:45:08.000 And if you actually look at the Bible, when there was manslaughter, what happened?

00:45:11.000 Not purposeful murder, manslaughter.

00:45:12.000 People ran to what are called Ere Miklad.

00:45:14.000 They ran to cities of refuge.

00:45:16.000 And they ran to these cities of refuge, and they're supposed to stay there until the chief Kohen, the chief priest, died.

00:45:24.000 The reason for this is that you didn't get into what we have in the inner cities right now, which is gang warfare.

00:45:28.000 Right?

00:45:29.000 If you have gang warfare where someone kills somebody in your clan, you go and you kill somebody in their clan.

00:45:32.000 This is what most of the world is like.

00:45:34.000 The government executing murderers is a way of saying clans don't run after each other in an endless circle of Hatfield versus McCoy.

00:45:43.000 That's why society has the death penalty.

00:45:45.000 Okay, Will writes, in today's pop culture, who are the top three most obnoxious overrated artists or celebrities?

00:45:51.000 Also, what three living artists or celebrities are actually contributing to art and making the world better?

00:45:55.000 The last one's harder.

00:45:56.000 I can give you a hundred who I think are awful, awful, awful.

00:45:59.000 In terms of obnoxious, overrated artists, Lena Dunham, Lady Gaga,

00:46:05.000 Those would be the top two, and it's hard to come up with a third who's in it.

00:46:08.000 Beyonce.

00:46:08.000 That'd be a solid top three.

00:46:11.000 Those three are doing serious damage to Americanism and American unity.

00:46:16.000 Okay, I think that Christopher Nolan makes terrific films.

00:46:21.000 I think that Clint Eastwood obviously contributes to art, and I think Tom Wolfe writes novels that are worthwhile.

00:46:26.000 So there's three.

00:46:28.000 Finally, so many to get to, but let's do a quick legal question from Michael.

00:46:33.000 He says, why is the Attorney General who serves as head of the Department of Justice a cabinet-appointed position?

00:46:38.000 Right now, people are saying Hillary won't be indicted because the Department of Justice is a place that is run by Obama, basically.

00:46:46.000 It's under the executive branch.

00:46:47.000 Why is it a cabinet-appointed position if we don't trust them to prosecute someone like a former Secretary of State because of their political interests?

00:46:54.000 How was this not foreseen in the drafting of the Constitution?

00:46:57.000 The answer is that the Constitution assumes that the executive would actually be really small.

00:47:02.000 There weren't going to be these vast bureaucratic infrastructures.

00:47:04.000 So, the Constitution says if you have a Secretary of State who's a criminal, you impeach her.

00:47:08.000 Right?

00:47:09.000 And then she's prosecuted, presumably, for her crimes on the state level.

00:47:12.000 Or, if you have a President who does something bad, then he's impeached.

00:47:16.000 But the executive branch was meant to police the legislative branch.

00:47:20.000 The legislative branch was meant to police the executive branch through impeachment, and the judicial branch was meant to be policed through both, right?

00:47:26.000 So that's why, for example, the DOJ was put in the executive branch.

00:47:31.000 If you only have three branches of government, that's the way it works.

00:47:33.000 If you had an independent prosecutorial body, the problem is, then you have another problem.

00:47:38.000 Right?

00:47:38.000 You have a center of power, and the head of that department is now the most powerful man in America, or woman in America.

00:47:43.000 They just go around prosecuting whoever they want, and their department will never prosecute anyone.

00:47:47.000 So this department is always going to rely on a sort of decent person running it.

00:47:52.000 The reason it's in the executive branch is because there was an assumption that the legislative branch would check the executive branch.

00:47:57.000 That has completely fallen by the wayside, obviously, because the legislative branch has abdicated all responsibility

00:48:04.000 To the executive branch.

00:48:07.000 So there are a bunch more letters here.

00:48:08.000 I'm sorry that I couldn't get to all of your letters.

00:48:11.000 You can write me at bshapiro at dailywire.com.

00:48:14.000 If I'm not able to respond to you on the podcast, I'd say there's probably a 50 to 75% shot that I'll try and respond to you personally via email.

00:48:22.000 Always happy to take your questions.

00:48:24.000 It's gonna be a busy weekend.

00:48:25.000 The South Carolina primary happens on Saturday.

00:48:28.000 If Donald Trump wins by 15 to 20 points, this race is basically over, gang.

00:48:32.000 Unless there's a major consolidation that happens in the near future.

00:48:36.000 Polls show that that is unlikely.

00:48:38.000 So, we're about to head in some rough waters.

00:48:40.000 But don't worry, we'll all be in it together as we head down the River Wild with Kevin Bacon trying to murder us.

00:48:46.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:48:47.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - February 17, 2016

Ep. 75 - Trump Smacks Down Pope -- And He's Right

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