Donald Trump wins the South Carolina primary, and the world is on fire. Ben Shapiro explains why this is a good thing, and why we should all be waiting for the second act of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. Plus, a new Star Wars movie is out, Star Wars: Episode VI - The Rise of Skywalker, and a new addition to the Star Wars franchise, The Last Jedi, is out now, and it's a good one. Ben Shapiro is on The Ben Shapiro Show with Ben Shapiro, and he's here to talk about it all, including: 1. Why we should have been waiting for Frodo to get the ring. 2. Why it's important to have a gun by the end of the first act. 3. We need to see what happens when we know that the gun is up on the mantle. 4. There's a rule in drama, written by Anton Chekhov, about not letting the gun get fired in the first half of a play. 5. People want to see the gun used in the second half. 6. We want to be seduced by the buildup. 7. We have a compelling story arc. 8. We're all in it together. 9. We don't want to go full Gollum. 10. We've been waiting to see Frodo throw the ring into Mount Doom. 11. We can't wait for the ring to be used. 12. It's all the way through to the end. 13. We'll be fine. 14. 15. What do you want to know what happens next? 16. What are you're waiting for? 17. What's up with Frodo's reaction to Frodo and the ring? or does it feel like it's all going to be anticlimactic? And what are you waiting for you to do with it in the next chapter? 15? Do you want it to be good, or do you have a full-scale Frodo moment in the final act of the Lord of The Ring? 16 or is it a full scale Frodo? Or does it have to be swept away by Mount Doom, or does he really have to go to Mount Doom in Mount Doom? Don't you have to wait for it to go all the full scale, or is he waiting for him to be swallowed up by the flame?
00:01:22.000And at this point I'm gonna stop using the phrase worst case outcome, because there's apparently always an outcome worse than what I have imagined.
00:01:28.000But what I said is, if Rubio were to surge, you end up with Cruz and Rubio basically even, and you end up with Trump on top, and then neither Cruz nor Rubio will drop out, we're just in it for the long haul.
00:01:39.000And that's precisely what happened, because that's the way that this is all gonna go.
00:01:43.000It's just gonna be crap all the way from here,
00:01:46.000There's a real deep desire on the part of a lot of Trump supporters for Trump, and I think a desire on the part of people who aren't Trump supporters to kind of see what happens.
00:01:56.000I was talking with Andrew Klavan and Jeremy Boring before the show, and one of the things I was saying to them is that there's a famous rule in drama.
00:02:04.000It's a rule that's written by Anton Chekhov, the famous dramatist, famous playwright, and what he said is if you're writing a two-act play, never put a gun over the mantle in the first act unless you're going to use it in the second act.
00:02:14.000Because it creates a feeling of suspense if the gun is there, and if it doesn't get fired by the end of the second act, then you really haven't done your job as a playwright.
00:02:21.000It's beginning to occur to me that this is not just normative.
00:02:24.000It's not just something you should do.
00:02:25.000It is also descriptive, meaning that human beings have an intense desire to see the trigger pulled.
00:02:31.000So if we know that the gun is up on the mantle,
00:02:34.000It's got to be pulled before the end of the second act.
00:02:36.000We want it to be pulled before the end of the second act.
00:02:38.000I remember when I was watching Lord of the Rings, the trilogy, I hadn't read the books and I did what a lot of folks did with the new Star Wars movie.
00:02:44.000I blacked myself out on all knowledge of what was going to happen in Return of the King.
00:02:49.000I mean, we got to the very end of Return of the King.
00:02:51.000I'm not going to issue a spoiler alert since the book has been out for 70 years and the movie's been out for 10.
00:02:56.000At the very end of Return of the King,
00:02:59.000You get to the very end, and Frodo is about to throw the ring into Mount Doom, and instead, he turns around and he says, the ring is mine, and he takes it.
00:03:08.000And it's really dramatically satisfying, because if he hadn't done that, if he just took it and threw it into the flame, you'd have gone, well then, it wasn't that strong a ring, was it?
00:03:16.000I mean, you have to see it work on him.
00:03:58.000This story ends with Donald Trump as the nominee, and then we've got the most corrupt person maybe in the history of American politics, Hillary Clinton, on one side, and on the other side we've got Donald Trump, who doesn't know his ass from his elbow on policy, and that's the kind interpretation.
00:04:11.000The less kind interpretation is that he does, and he just does whatever is convenient for him, because this is all about Trump.
00:05:09.000Well, what I mean by that is it almost shouldn't have been done and, you know, I really don't even know what I mean because that was a long time ago and who knows what was in my head.
00:05:18.000I think that it wasn't done correctly.
00:05:20.000In retrospect, it shouldn't have been done at all.
00:05:24.000It was sort of, you know, it was just done.
00:07:03.000And that's an amazing... It's an amazing... I don't know what I was talking about, but I guess, you know... The part that's amazing is where he says that we shouldn't have gone in in the first place, but then we should have gone in, but we did it wrong, but we did it right... What?
00:07:15.000But that wasn't his only big boo-boo of the weekend.
00:07:17.000He was also asked about whether he wants to defund Planned Parenthood.
00:07:20.000And here's Donald Trump talking about Planned Parenthood with Chuck Todd.
00:07:26.000There's some comic actor he's beginning to look more and more like, and it's slipping my mind.
00:07:31.000We'll have to come back to it when I figure it out.
00:08:16.000I don't believe it's 60% by the way, but I think it's probably a much lower number.
00:08:20.000But Planned Parenthood does some very good work, but I would defund as long as they're doing abortions.
00:08:28.000Okay, so now, I mean, he reduces you to guttural moans because his butchery of the English language and of ideas and of conservatism, I mean, he's basically the Attila the Hun of politics, just carving a swath through anything decent and good.
00:08:43.000When Donald Trump says things like, Planned Parenthood, I have many women who understand Planned Parenthood better than any of us ever will.
00:08:53.000What do they understand about Planned Parenthood because they have vaginas, Donald, that the rest of us can't understand?
00:08:57.000It's just beyond our ken to understand what exactly Planned Parenthood does.
00:09:02.000And then he says that only 4% of their services are abortion?
00:09:05.000That's because what Planned Parenthood does is if you walk into Planned Parenthood and you pick up a brochure and a condom and an abortion, they count that as one-third of the services they have rendered.
00:10:31.000Every single person other than Donald Trump is actually constitutionally ineligible to be president of the United States.
00:10:37.000Here's Donald Trump being knocked a little bit by Marco Rubio.
00:10:40.000Rubio and Cruz are spending all their time and effort bashing each other, but here's Rubio going after Trump a little bit.
00:10:45.000You say that this is now a three-man race, so I want you, lightning round rules, to do a little comparison shopping.
00:10:52.000Why should a voter who's undecided choose you over Donald Trump?
00:10:59.000Well, I think one of the reasons why is we have a real sense of optimism about America's future.
00:11:03.000I'm realistic about our challenges, but I'm very optimistic about our future.
00:11:06.000And we need someone that will restore, a campaign that will restore our confidence in who we are as a people and what we're capable of doing.
00:11:17.000Well, I think Donald's campaign has largely been about how bad things are.
00:11:20.000And there's no doubt we need to recognize how difficult things are.
00:11:22.000But you can't just say you're going to make America great again.
00:11:24.000You have to explain how you're going to do it.
00:11:27.000I mean, at this stage in the campaign, voters deserve to know in great detail just exactly how it is that you are going to achieve some of these things that you're saying you're going to achieve with specific public policy.
00:11:37.000So I look forward to having a policy debate, if we can make it a policy debate, and we'll see what direction he wants to go, but I think that's a big difference in this campaign.
00:11:45.000And then just a fundamental understanding of foreign policy, which I think is critical for the Commander-in-Chief to have on day one.
00:11:51.000To this point now, three states in, he still has not really demonstrated that, but again, we'll see.
00:11:57.000As the weeks go on, maybe he'll spend some time and learn more about it, and we can have a debate about those issues.
00:12:02.000Raise your hand if you think that critique has any impact on Trump's campaign whatsoever.
00:12:18.000But, by the way, I'm not sure Marco Rubio has tremendous substance to him either.
00:12:22.000The Chris Christie sort of critique of Rubio, that he's mechanical,
00:12:25.000It's on full display in little clips like this.
00:12:28.000Okay, so Trump wins South Carolina, and then it's up to the other candidates to explain how really, even though they lost, they won.
00:12:33.000So here's Ted Cruz, the senator from Texas, talking about how secretly he won.
00:12:38.000Nobody knows it, but secretly, he actually won South Carolina.
00:12:42.000But listen, Chuck, the important thing is we had an incredible evening last night.
00:12:46.000Last night, what we saw happen in South Carolina, particularly when you put Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina together, two things have happened.
00:12:54.000Number one, there is now only one strong conservative in this race who can win, and we see conservatives continuing to unite behind our campaign.
00:13:03.000But number two, for anyone who doesn't believe that Donald Trump is the best candidate to go head-to-head with Hillary Clinton in November, and that's about 70% of Republicans nationwide who don't think Donald Trump is the right guy, our campaign is the only campaign that has beaten Donald Trump and that can beat Donald Trump.
00:13:23.000Is we're seeing Republicans coming to us in incredible numbers, going to TedCruz.org, signing up, volunteering, contributing.
00:13:30.000You finish third in a state with the highest evangelical turnout that we've seen yet, and you finish third.
00:13:38.000That sort of doesn't support what you just said, that conservatives are coming together and rallying to your cause.
00:13:45.000So Chuck, our path to victory from the beginning was always do well in the first four states and then have a strong, strong night on Super Tuesday coming up on March 1st.
00:13:55.000In Iowa, everyone in the press said we couldn't win.
00:13:57.000We want an overwhelming victory in Iowa.
00:13:59.000In New Hampshire, everyone in the press said a conservative couldn't do well in a moderate New England state.
00:16:12.000So Jebru, exclamation point, gradually turned into a semicolon, and then gradually turned into an ellipsis, and then finally ended in a period.
00:16:20.000And so yesterday, the exclamation point campaign came to an inglorious close.
00:16:25.000Jeb Bush got up there and he dropped out, and he was given all sorts of plaudits for this, which I think are completely
00:16:38.000I'm proud of the campaign that we've run to unify our country and to advocate conservative solutions that would give more Americans the opportunity to rise up and reach their God-given potential.
00:16:50.000But the people of Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina have spoken, and I really respect their decision.
00:16:56.000So tonight, I am suspending my campaign.
00:17:21.000I congratulate my competitors that are remaining on the island on their success for a race that has been hard fought, just as the contest for the presidency should be, because it is a tough job.
00:17:34.000In this campaign, I have stood my ground, refusing to bend to the political winds.
00:17:38.000We put forward detailed, innovative, conservative plans to address the mounting challenges that we face.
00:17:45.000Because, despite what you might have heard, ideas matter.
00:17:59.000And I truly hope that these ideas that we've laid out will serve as a blueprint for a generation of conservative leaders at every level of government so that we can take back our country.
00:18:10.000We laid out plans on everything from reforming our tax and regulatory system, to reviving our economy, to rebuilding our military, and to fixing the VA once and for all.
00:18:23.000Okay, so he goes on in this vein and people are saying, oh, it's so honorable that Jeb finally dropped out.
00:18:44.000By the way, the person shouting no when Jeb says he's dropping out, the person who goes no in the background is for sure Mike Murphy, the head of his super PACs, who spent like $100 million.
00:18:52.000How much money did Mike Murphy make in this election cycle for running the least successful campaign in American history?
00:18:58.000How much money do you think he actually got?
00:19:29.000If you use the same sort of math, that means that 85% of Republicans don't like Rubio, right?
00:19:35.000And it means that, you know, 90% of Republicans don't like Cruz.
00:19:38.000Whatever percentages you're using, if the idea is whoever didn't vote for you doesn't like you, well then more people like Trump than the other guys.
00:19:45.000If the idea is that these public opinion polls that show that Trump has high unfavorables
00:19:50.000Are trusted, and people don't like him.
00:19:52.000That's true, except for the fact that he's consistently outperforming those when it comes time for election day.
00:19:57.000So, yes, his unfavorable numbers are really high.
00:20:00.000But, will people get behind him against Hillary Clinton?
00:20:03.000I mean, Trump is actually right when he says this.
00:20:05.000Here's Trump, after winning, here's what he had to say about how this is all gonna break down.
00:20:11.000You know, I was watching upstairs, and it was really amazing to be watching what I was watching, and some of the pundits, and you know, overall fair, but not too much, but a number of the pundits said, well, if a couple of the other candidates dropped out, if you add their scores together, it's going to equal Trump.
00:23:11.000I know some information about them they don't want to get out.
00:23:13.000It's like, oh my God, if this guy is the president of the United States and he has the power of the state behind him, that's a little scary.
00:23:19.000Trump, when it comes to this kind of stuff, when it comes to boosting himself, it's what he's best at.
00:23:25.000And a campaign, contrary to what Barack Obama once said, campaigns are almost entirely boosting yourself.
00:23:31.000So here is Donald Trump talking about how what he's engaging in is actually not a hostile takeover of the GOP, he's just taking it over.
00:24:13.000And I think they better get their act together because they're going to keep losing elections.
00:24:17.000With the kind of thinking that we have with the Karl Roves and the Stephen Hayses and these characters that can't get themselves arrested, if you want to keep people like that, if you want to keep listening to people like that, you're never going to win.
00:25:17.000Many Republicans said a liberal left position.
00:25:19.000He was called unchristian by the Pope.
00:25:21.000He embraced torture to fight terrorism.
00:25:24.000He supported Democrats much of his adult life, taking positions in this campaign at odds with the Republican Party.
00:25:29.000Sir, are you really prepared to have him as spokesperson for the Republican Party and to lead a convention that nominates him?
00:25:37.000If the delegates get accumulated in such a way that any one of these candidates becomes a nominee, it's our job to support that nominee, and we will.
00:25:46.000So yeah, we're prepared to support whoever the nominee becomes.
00:25:51.000I think it's early in the process, but certainly
00:25:53.000When the time comes and when we're sitting either before Cleveland or at Cleveland or whenever that point may come and we have a presumptive nominee, what will happen is the RNC will join in with that nominee and we will put together the biggest, which we've already started doing, the biggest ground game and data operation that we've ever seen.
00:26:12.000And you know we've made incredible strides at the RNC in becoming far more prepared today than we were four years ago.
00:26:30.000Winning is the antidote to a lot of things.
00:26:32.000And so, the name of the game is winning in November.
00:26:35.000If we win in November, all those armchair quarterbacks will fall in line and they'll obviously be pretty pleased, I think, if we win in November.
00:26:45.000But who the nominee is going to be is not my choice.
00:26:48.000And obviously, we're going to support whoever that is.
00:26:51.000But you could play a big role if no nominee goes in with enough delegates before the convention to win on the first ballot.
00:26:58.000You've said it's early in the process.
00:27:00.000Are you prepared now for a brokered convention?
00:27:36.000You know, when he says, the key line here is where he says that victory is the antidote to everything.
00:27:40.000That depends on whether you think the Republican Party is just a vehicle for victory, in which case they're fulfilling their mandate, or whether you think the Republican Party should be a vehicle for conservatism.
00:27:50.000If you think it's a vehicle for victory, then you could just nominate, you know, somebody who's really far left and say, okay, that person's most likely to win, let's do that.
00:28:10.000I think that there will be a lot of people who stay home.
00:28:12.000Eric Erickson, over at RedState, or formerly of RedState, I think he has a new site called The Resurgent, Eric Erickson writes today that he won't vote for Trump.
00:28:54.000Problem is those polls are really old.
00:28:56.000So the states in which he currently trails, the states in which he currently trails that are coming up over the next week and a half, he trails Ted Cruz in Texas.
00:29:04.000But in the last available poll, he was trailing by five points to Cruz and that's a poll that's three weeks old before South Carolina and New Hampshire and Nevada.
00:29:13.000So after Trump wins three consecutive victories, does Cruz maintain his five-point lead, his slim five-point lead in Texas, even with Rubio nipping at his heels?
00:30:02.000So, there's a good shot that Trump wins all 14 of the next states.
00:30:06.000If that happens, I mean, come on, how long can you play out this string?
00:30:10.000How long can you play out the string if you're Rubio and Cruz?
00:30:12.000And this is the maddening part, the truly maddening part, is that Trump has some narrative points in his favor.
00:30:17.000One is the sort of inevitability feeling, the idea that we have to take that gun off the mantle and it must be used or we haven't fulfilled the dramatic quotient here.
00:30:26.000But Trump also fulfills the anti-Wall Street narrative.
00:30:29.000He fulfills the anti-establishment narrative better than anybody.
00:30:31.000Rubio's being endorsed today by Tim Pawlenty, the former senator from Minnesota, governor from Minnesota.
00:30:39.000Mitt Romney was supposed to endorse Rubio.
00:30:42.000That's not happening because Rubio specifically went to Romney and said, I don't want your endorsement right now, you're gonna hurt me.
00:30:46.000And the more establishment endorsers I have, the worse it looks for me.
00:30:50.000Cruz is actually anti-establishment, as I've been saying, but the problem is that Trump looks more anti-establishment than Cruz, even though the establishment would certainly prefer Trump to Cruz.
00:31:00.000And Trump is an angry guy, and he's channeling that anger.
00:31:03.000And finally, the real reason that Trump is the frontrunner right now is because of the ego.
00:31:07.000Because again, it comes down to, if Cruz dropped out, Rubio would win.
00:31:27.000More importantly, Rubio doesn't think he needs Cruz in order to win.
00:31:29.000Rubio apparently has been making overtures to John Kasich.
00:31:33.000Trying to gain his 7% of the vote, as though that's going to make any difference in any of these states.
00:31:37.000So, if you're a betting person, you would have to put your money on Trump right now.
00:31:41.000I've been saying that for the last couple of weeks, really ever since New Hampshire, that Trump is the frontrunner, and he's a very real frontrunner.
00:31:47.000It's very frustrating that Republicans continue to pretend that he's not.
00:31:50.000You have Cruz and Rubio going at each other.
00:32:07.000Listen to the sort of ire from the Sanders camp over Hillary winning.
00:32:10.000So Chris Matthews, for heaven's sake, he combed his hair with a shoe, as is his wont, and then he proceeded to say on MSNBC that the only reason that she won in Nevada is not because she's a better politician, but because of backroom politics.
00:32:25.000And there you see Brian Williams, fresh off his latest tour in Vietnam,
00:32:29.000Shooting down random Vietcong planes and fighting aliens in space and blowing up asteroids like Bruce Willis.
00:32:36.000Here's Brian Williams on MSNBC along with Rachel and Chris Hayes.
00:32:44.000Chris, it was having watched hours of you that I heard Ralston say that the casino caucuses, the day shift workers who were allowed to come out and caucus, those were coming in in Clark County, the environs of Las Vegas, so heavily for Hillary Clinton.
00:33:01.000And that, it turns out, turned it for her.
00:33:05.000You know, I think it's an example that we have to pick up on ourselves, which is not all politics happens on television.
00:33:23.000They happen in labor halls where labor leaders still have strength.
00:33:26.000They can be engaged in pulling operations and get people
00:33:29.000Out of their homes on a beautiful Saturday, like out here in this gorgeous weather, to spend several hours inside, involved in this kind of wrestling match, to see how you actually vote.
00:34:22.000They don't make a lot of money, but they all showed up today.
00:34:25.000Three hour breaks according to MGM Grand.
00:34:28.000MGM that owns New York, New York, which is our host here.
00:34:30.000So you really saw democracy in action, but it wasn't a TV event.
00:34:34.000Okay, so we can stop at the bottom line is that Hillary got out her union buddies to push all of the croupiers and all of the pit bosses and all the people that are playing cards and all the people that are serving drinks and janitors.
00:35:23.000She's very vulnerable, and Bernie Sanders is very angry about the fact that he lost, and he's saying, Hillary has no message, she's copying my message.
00:35:30.000Here's Bernie Sanders going after Hillary Clinton.
00:35:33.000So I think people are responding to our message.
00:35:36.000of a rigged economy where ordinary Americans work longer hours for lower wages and almost all new income and wealth goes to the top 1%, a corrupt campaign finance system in which billionaires are buying elections.
00:35:50.000I think our message is resonating and obviously the proof of that is that Hillary Clinton is more or less echoing much of what we are saying.
00:35:57.000I think that indicates the success that we are having.
00:36:01.000Okay, so he says that Hillary is echoing his message, and then Hillary is stumbling around.
00:36:06.000She doesn't know what she even has to say.
00:36:08.000So Hillary, she was asked why she's in the race, and she said she understands voters saying that she's in it for herself, is clip 15.
00:36:16.000Here's Hillary Clinton talking about why she's in the race, and the answer is she has no idea, but she's just going to wear odd outfits until she's handed the nomination.
00:36:34.000I understand that voters have questions.
00:36:36.000I'm going to do my very best to answer those questions.
00:36:39.000I think there's an underlying question that maybe is really in the back of people's minds, and that is, you know, is she in it for us or is she in it for herself?
00:37:30.000And she's starting to look like Ian Holm in Alien.
00:37:34.000Like, her head is going to come off and she's going to continue talking.
00:37:37.000And maybe that's why she has that bizarre collar, is because she's actually hiding the robotics within.
00:37:41.000So, the Democrats are really vulnerable, and meanwhile the Republicans are messing around with a guy who clearly is a demagogue, like Trump.
00:37:48.000And it's very frustrating all the way through.
00:37:49.000You know, the only good news in any of this is that the outrage is real.
00:37:58.000The outrage is okay, but the backlash, the idea that we're gonna go with somebody like Trump, who's, he is reaching out for all the wrong answers, it's disturbing and it's problematic and it's a waste of an opportunity more than anything else, whether he wins or whether he loses.
00:38:13.000Okay, time for some things that I like and then some things that I hate.
00:39:01.000Should push you toward one option or another.
00:39:02.000If they're real libertarians, they'd say the government should get out of this completely, and we should just encourage people to be aware of their own cognitive biases, what they call cognitive biases.
00:39:11.000We all make sort of cognitive mistakes, and those mistakes actually have ramifications for the choices that we make in our lives.
00:39:18.000And so if we're aware of them, it makes it more obvious for us not to do it.
00:39:23.000And so that part of the book is valuable.
00:39:24.000Their solutions, however, are problematic.
00:42:22.000Speaking of things that people in Hollywood who I really can't stand because of their politics, Luke Skywalker has now actually joined the dark side.
00:42:29.000So Mark Hamill apparently raised $130 million for Hillary Clinton in January.