The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 78 - To Defeat Trump, Cruz Must Kick Him In The Balls

00:00:00.000 Here we are.

00:00:01.000 It is Wednesday and Donald Trump emerges victorious once again from the Nevada caucuses.

00:00:05.000 We'll talk all about that.

00:00:07.000 We'll also talk about the latest updates from Cal State University Los Angeles where things are heating up.

00:00:11.000 I will be appearing tomorrow and y'all can stick it if you don't want me to come because I don't care.

00:00:15.000 So we'll talk about all of that.

00:00:16.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:17.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:26.000 So before I start, I just want to welcome our friends from TheBlazeTV who are actually in the room right now filming.

00:00:30.000 In about two months, three months, there's going to be a documentary out about the college tour that we're doing and all about kind of what I do during the day.

00:00:39.000 And so that'll be out and it'll be available on iTunes and Amazon, all the usual places, so look out for that.

00:00:44.000 Now let's jump into the news.

00:00:45.000 So Donald Trump wins the Nevada caucuses.

00:00:48.000 He wins big.

00:00:49.000 46% for Donald Trump, 24% for Marco Rubio, and 21% for Ted Cruz.

00:00:55.000 Cruz is the one who emerges the big loser from Nevada because the assumption was he was going to do better in Nevada than he did.

00:01:02.000 And the problem is a narrative problem for Cruz.

00:01:04.000 And in a few minutes, I'm going to talk about the full-scale delusion that has set in

00:01:08.000 In both the Cruz campaign and the Rubio campaign.

00:01:10.000 And it really is.

00:01:11.000 I mean, it's full-scale delusion at this point.

00:01:13.000 They are under the massive misimpression that Trump is not the leader.

00:01:17.000 And Trump is the leader.

00:01:18.000 I mean, there's just no two ways about it.

00:01:20.000 There's no question that Trump is leading.

00:01:22.000 Not only that, he'll probably sweep.

00:01:24.000 And all of this depresses me to no end.

00:01:26.000 I mean, I think that the amount of Xanax that I need to be prescribed just to get through these podcasts is being increased day by day in dramatic fashion.

00:01:34.000 Let's start with Donald Trump.

00:01:35.000 Talking about his big win last night in the Nevada caucuses.

00:01:39.000 Here is Donald Trump celebrating it, talking about how he loves everybody.

00:01:42.000 He loves you so much.

00:01:43.000 He loves you, he loves you.

00:01:44.000 He loves you because you voted for him.

00:01:46.000 Donald Trump, here we go.

00:01:47.000 We won the evangelicals. 0.92

00:01:49.000 We won with young.

00:01:51.000 We won with old. 0.99

00:01:53.000 We won with highly educated.

00:01:55.000 We won with poorly educated.

00:01:57.000 I love the poorly educated.

00:02:00.000 And there we are, threat alert level orange from Donald Trump.

00:02:05.000 And he's right.

00:02:06.000 He won among all of these various voter groups.

00:02:08.000 People are making fun of him a little bit for that last line where he says, I love the poorly educated.

00:02:12.000 Because out of context, it sounds like my supporters are a bunch of rubes.

00:02:15.000 But as he says, he won among everybody.

00:02:18.000 And one of his appeals is to people who are high school graduates, but not college graduates.

00:02:23.000 So he's the only one in the field who actually would say, I love the people who have not gone to college.

00:02:27.000 And that's an asset for him, for sure.

00:02:30.000 Now, I do have to say Donald Trump is basically Charlie Sheen in action.

00:02:35.000 Donald Trump... Let's start with Charlie Sheen.

00:02:37.000 So here's Charlie Sheen talking about winning and how important winning is, and then we'll get to his political comparison to Donald Trump.

00:02:43.000 Here's Charlie Sheen, the tiger-blooded... I'm by winning.

00:02:46.000 I win here and I win there.

00:02:48.000 Now what?

00:02:50.000 He wins here, he wins there, he wins, he wins everywhere.

00:02:53.000 Here is Donald Trump basically saying the same thing last night.

00:02:59.000 Thank you very much.

00:03:00.000 Great evening.

00:03:01.000 We will be celebrating for a long time tonight.

00:03:04.000 Have a good time.

00:03:05.000 Have a good time.

00:03:06.000 Get drunk, let's do this!

00:03:09.000 You know, we weren't expected, a couple of months ago, we weren't expected to win this one.

00:03:13.000 You know that, right?

00:03:14.000 Not true.

00:03:14.000 We weren't.

00:03:16.000 Of course, if you listen to the pundits, we weren't expected to win too much, and now we're winning, winning, winning the country.

00:03:25.000 And soon the country is going to start winning, winning, winning.

00:03:32.000 Charlie Sheen, your next president of the United States.

00:03:35.000 He is a television character.

00:03:36.000 This is one of the reasons people love him, is because he is a television character. 0.93

00:03:40.000 He's Charlie Sheen, he's likable, he's interesting, he says whatever crazy crap is gonna come out of his mouth, and people were sort of expecting the Charlie Sheen-like implosion.

00:03:48.000 You remember Charlie Sheen had his whole winning campaign, and then he went and he did an event in Detroit, 0.77

00:03:53.000 And he had no clue what he was doing and he sort of fell apart on stage and that was the end of that.

00:03:57.000 Well, Trump hasn't fallen apart yet because he's more intelligent than Charlie Sheen.

00:04:01.000 And also he stays on message a little bit better than Charlie Sheen.

00:04:05.000 But there's no question that his main appeal, Trump's main appeal, is that he's a man.

00:04:10.000 His main appeal is that he is the man.

00:04:12.000 He is the guy who is going to emasculate everybody else.

00:04:16.000 On the stage.

00:04:16.000 And he did that a couple of times yesterday during the Nevada caucuses.

00:04:19.000 Glenn Beck was actually speaking at one of the caucuses for Ted Cruz because this is how caucuses work.

00:04:24.000 You can have caucuses and you can speak at the caucuses for various candidates.

00:04:28.000 So apparently Glenn was speaking at one of the caucuses and insults Donald Trump into the same caucus and basically tries to hijack it.

00:04:36.000 So this is what it looked like on MSNBC. 0.92

00:04:40.000 It's a madhouse.

00:04:40.000 I think that's the only way to describe it, Rachel.

00:04:42.000 It's an incredible madhouse in here.

00:04:44.000 People are rushing up towards him, trying to touch him, and cell phones are out, elbows are flying.

00:04:53.000 Donald Trump is approaching the microphone, Rachel, as people are actually supposed to be voting, filling out their ballots in here.

00:05:00.000 People are screaming.

00:05:02.000 You're looking at Donald Trump inside this caucus location in Summerlin, Nevada, Rachel.

00:05:09.000 I'm having a hard time hearing you.

00:05:11.000 How's it looking?

00:05:12.000 It's awesome.

00:05:13.000 I'm talking to voters live.

00:05:16.000 Really?

00:05:16.000 Come here.

00:05:17.000 Excuse me.

00:05:18.000 First-time voters.

00:05:19.000 Donald!

00:05:21.000 Donald!

00:05:22.000 Donald!

00:05:22.000 Here he goes.

00:05:23.000 He's grabbing the microphone.

00:05:28.000 Here we go.

00:05:28.000 We'll move over here, guys.

00:05:30.000 Follow us.

00:05:31.000 Here we go.

00:05:34.000 Did people there at the site know that Mr. Trump was going to be coming in person?

00:05:40.000 No, we didn't know, Rachel, and I'm hearing you spotting in and out a little bit, but let me see if I can get up close to Mr. Trump.

00:05:47.000 Mr. Trump, how are you feeling?

00:05:48.000 I feel good.

00:05:49.000 Look at the crowd they have.

00:05:50.000 Do you think you're going to be able to get the win tonight here?

00:05:52.000 We hope so.

00:05:53.000 We have an awfully big crowd.

00:05:54.000 Take a look.

00:05:55.000 What are your plans?

00:05:56.000 Did you ever expect to see anything like this, Mr. Trump?

00:05:58.000 No, not like this.

00:05:59.000 This is incredible.

00:06:00.000 Thank you.

00:06:00.000 Thank you, Mr. Trump.

00:06:03.000 Well, thank you very much, folks.

00:06:07.000 This is an honor.

00:06:08.000 It's great to be with you tonight.

00:06:14.000 We are going to have, hopefully, a historic night in New Hampshire.

00:06:18.000 It was amazing.

00:06:19.000 And, as you know, South Carolina last week.

00:06:22.000 Okay, so it goes on like this, but this is a site where Glenn Beck was, and Glenn says that apparently a bunch of Trump supporters came in and started pushing people around, which is not super surprising, considering that Donald Trump has told his people in the past to actually push people around.

00:06:37.000 And this is the feel of Trump.

00:06:39.000 The feel of Trump is that he is the man.

00:06:41.000 He walks in, people are taking pictures, and they're obsessed.

00:06:44.000 And it isn't the sort of Beatles mania that Rubio tends to generate, the women fainting in the aisles.

00:06:51.000 It's much more like, look at this, I'm by the star, I'm here, I'm by the star.

00:06:54.000 It's not love, it's almost worship.

00:06:57.000 It's a different thing.

00:06:58.000 The Rubio thing is, oh, isn't he cute?

00:07:01.000 Oh, isn't he nice?

00:07:02.000 You don't get the same sort of feel with Ted Cruz because people back Cruz's mission more than they back Cruz, I think.

00:07:08.000 With Trump, it's all about the man.

00:07:09.000 And so you're just drawn to him, like planets orbiting a star.

00:07:13.000 Well, what Trump is more than anything else, as I've said repeatedly, is Trump is the appeal of the masculine, and you see it last night.

00:07:21.000 At one point last night, Trump specifically called Ted Cruz a baby. 0.86

00:07:26.000 Ted Cruz replied with something from Austin Powers, with a picture of Fat Bastard from Austin Powers, says, hope he doesn't try to eat me, because in Austin Powers, that's what Fat Bastard says, he's gonna eat babies. 0.97

00:07:36.000 But the point is that Trump is the person who calls people soft, weak, little babies. 0.99

00:07:41.000 Oh, he's a soft, weak little baby. 1.00

00:07:43.000 He's a soft, weak little baby. 1.00

00:07:45.000 And this is who Trump is. 0.99

00:07:46.000 And because he is like this, he is winning.

00:07:50.000 We've been discussing this, I think, for weeks at this point, so I'm not going to belabor the point.

00:07:53.000 But the fact is...

00:07:55.000 That all the other candidates are busy apologizing.

00:07:57.000 They're all busy fighting with each other. 0.96

00:07:59.000 And Trump is busy just being the toxic masculine in the race. 0.99

00:08:04.000 He's the toxic man in the race. 0.97

00:08:05.000 We had feminists for decades telling us that aggression has no place in politics. 1.00

00:08:09.000 Aggression has no place in American life.

00:08:11.000 This is why women, single ladies, if you're wondering why it is that men won't directly ask you out for a date, why they all say, oh, let's just go out for coffee. 1.00

00:08:18.000 It's not really a date.

00:08:19.000 We're just going to go out for coffee.

00:08:20.000 It's because feminists told them that this is what women want. 1.00

00:08:24.000 And then women end up marrying the guy who actually asks them out for coffee on a date and is aggressive the way a man should be. 0.77

00:08:30.000 But that same thing has happened to politics.

00:08:32.000 In politics, the male aggressive instinct, the idea that men are aggressive and forward-moving, all of that has been left by the wayside, and instead we get Marco Rubio, who's a very feminized candidate.

00:08:42.000 Marco Rubio is an estrogen candidate.

00:08:44.000 He's not a testosterone candidate.

00:08:46.000 Marco Rubio is the guy who goes around and talks about his feelings.

00:08:49.000 Talks about how he understands your feelings.

00:08:51.000 And Trump is the guy who, he says, yeah, I understand you and I'm gonna win for you.

00:08:55.000 And the part of that that people get is not the he understands you, he may or may not, but the I'm gonna win for you, they get because that's a masculine instinct.

00:09:02.000 It's a masculine aggressive tone.

00:09:04.000 Now, what's amazing about Trump, of course, is that you can't trust him on this because Trump says that he can change it anytime he pleases.

00:09:10.000 He says that he might tone it down when he's president of the United States.

00:09:12.000 He's been saying this the last couple of weeks.

00:09:15.000 We just heard you at a piece a few minutes ago calling Ted Cruz a little baby.

00:09:18.000 You talked this week also about wanting to punch a protester who was misbehaving at one of your events.

00:09:23.000 You've said when you become the nominee and we become president, you'll change your tone and temperament.

00:09:28.000 But I'm watching how well you're doing.

00:09:30.000 I'm watching how your life has gone with that tone and temperament.

00:09:33.000 Why would you change that if it's working so well for you?

00:09:36.000 Well, I have to tell you, maybe I shouldn't be changing it too much.

00:09:38.000 That protester was out of line.

00:09:40.000 He was hitting people.

00:09:42.000 He was screaming during the speech, and everybody wanted to hear what I was saying.

00:09:46.000 And he was screaming horribly, and the cops were so gentle the way they took him out.

00:09:52.000 And when they took him out, he was—big smile on his face, waving to the people, you know, like he's having a good time.

00:09:57.000 They were bullying him.

00:09:58.000 That style, Mr. Trump, has worked well for you in your life.

00:10:00.000 Why change it when you become president?

00:10:11.000 Well, I think I might tone it down a little bit.

00:10:13.000 You know, I was against—we had a total of 17 people, and now we're down to six.

00:10:17.000 And, you know, I may very well change it, but right now it seems to be working pretty well.

00:10:25.000 So you're supposed to trust him more than you trust your wife, more than you trust your child.

00:10:28.000 He can swivel on a dime.

00:10:29.000 He says to you that he can swivel on a dime, and he's not really capable of swiveling on a dime, not in terms of persona.

00:10:35.000 In terms of policy, yes.

00:10:36.000 In terms of persona, no.

00:10:37.000 When Donald Trump says he's going to become less brash and less authoritarian in his manner, it's not true.

00:10:43.000 When he says it's disgraceful that we can't send protesters out on a stretcher, why is that disgraceful?

00:10:49.000 Like, that's the cops' job, is to take protesters away if they're disrupting events.

00:10:52.000 That's of course their job.

00:10:53.000 So, it's really, it's quite amazing.

00:10:56.000 However, it doesn't matter.

00:10:57.000 All of my critiques of Trump to the side.

00:11:00.000 The fact is that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have no idea how to stop this guy.

00:11:04.000 No clue at all whatsoever how to stop this guy.

00:11:09.000 Here is Ted Cruz last night after finishing third in Nevada talking about how he's the only one who can beat Trump and we'll explain why this is wrong in a second.

00:11:18.000 The undeniable reality that the first four states have shown is that the only campaign that has beaten Donald Trump and the only campaign that can beat Donald Trump is this campaign.

00:11:39.000 If you are one of the 65% of Republicans across this country who doesn't think Donald is the best candidate to go head-to-head with Hillary,

00:11:49.000 Who believes we do better in elections when we actually nominate a conservative?

00:11:58.000 Then the first four states have performed a vital function of narrowing this race and presenting a clear choice. 0.98

00:12:08.000 You can choose between two Washington dealmakers or one proven consistent conservative.

00:12:18.000 Okay, and I agree with all of this.

00:12:20.000 I agree, of course you can choose between Rubio, who's soft, and Trump, who's not a conservative, or Cruz, who is the most conservative.

00:12:26.000 You can do all these things.

00:12:27.000 Of course that's true.

00:12:28.000 Of course that's true.

00:12:29.000 People aren't doing that.

00:12:30.000 The reason people aren't doing that is because they want the man in the race, not the conservative in the race.

00:12:35.000 These are two different things.

00:12:36.000 And this means that tomorrow night, as I've said, the only way that Ted Cruz is going to be able to win this race is if he acknowledges that he is now running from behind.

00:12:44.000 He either has to knock Trump out or Trump is going to win by decision.

00:12:47.000 Look at the future states.

00:12:48.000 If you look at these states, look at Texas.

00:12:50.000 In Texas, Cruz just got Greg Abbott's endorsement, the governor of Texas.

00:12:54.000 Cruz right now, in one poll, is up 37 to 29 over Trump.

00:12:58.000 He needs to get to 50%.

00:12:58.000 It's not going to happen.

00:13:00.000 Another poll today, Cruz 29, Trump 28, Rubio 25.

00:13:04.000 In Cruz's home state of Texas, where he should be dominating.

00:13:08.000 Right?

00:13:08.000 That's not going to cut it.

00:13:09.000 It's not going to cut it.

00:13:10.000 And if he thinks that he can be second place all across the SEC, all across the southern states,

00:13:15.000 And then suddenly vault into first place when Rubio drops out.

00:13:18.000 Rubio is not dropping out.

00:13:20.000 Rubio is not going to drop out.

00:13:22.000 It's not going to happen.

00:13:23.000 And yet the Cruz campaign seems to think that's what's going to happen.

00:13:26.000 For no reason at all.

00:13:27.000 They think that if we do better than Rubio does in these next few states, Rubio will drop out.

00:13:33.000 It's insane.

00:13:34.000 Rubio's not going anywhere.

00:13:35.000 Are you kidding?

00:13:35.000 He's picking up all the establishment endorsements.

00:13:37.000 He's picking up Jeb Bush's cash.

00:13:39.000 He thinks that if he carries through these primaries, once we get to the winner-take-all, he wins Florida, and maybe he wins Ohio, and maybe he wins New York, and maybe he wins California.

00:13:48.000 He figures that Cruz will drop out.

00:13:50.000 He says that basically he thinks Cruz will have shot everything he has to shoot, and then we'll be done, and Cruz will move out, and he'll pick up Cruz's vote.

00:13:58.000 By the way, even that math is wrong for Rubio.

00:14:01.000 If Cruz gets out, half his vote probably goes back to Trump, is the truth, if you look at the internal polling.

00:14:06.000 of this campaign.

00:14:07.000 So Cruz is operating off an assumption that isn't correct, and Rubio is also operating off an assumption that isn't correct.

00:14:13.000 You've got Rubio operating off the assumption that Cruz is gonna drop.

00:14:16.000 Neither of them is gonna drop.

00:14:18.000 So instead, they're just slap-fighting each other, saying, okay, if I knock you out of the race, then I'll pick up your support, we'll go ahead and we'll beat Trump.

00:14:24.000 Not true.

00:14:25.000 First of all, in Nevada, both of them could have been out, and Trump still would have won.

00:14:30.000 The fact is that Trump won more than their combined vote in Nevada.

00:14:34.000 But they're delusional.

00:14:35.000 So Rubio himself, I mean, you want to hear crazy towns.

00:14:39.000 You want to hear delusional.

00:14:40.000 So you got Cruz who says he's going to win on the basis of conservatism.

00:14:43.000 Here's Marco Rubio saying he doesn't have to win anything in order to win the nomination.

00:14:46.000 Here's Marco Rubio, senator from Florida.

00:14:48.000 Well, Senator Rubio, the argument that Senator Cruz is making, he says, look, I won Iowa.

00:14:53.000 At least I have that under my belt.

00:14:54.000 We need to congratulate you on your last two performances getting second place.

00:14:58.000 But at some point, do you need to start winning?

00:15:01.000 And where can you do that?

00:15:02.000 And we know you've picked up some high-profile endorsements since Monday.

00:15:04.000 We can show you a graphic of that.

00:15:06.000 Senator Orrin Hatch, Bob Dole, Tom Tillis, and the list goes on.

00:15:10.000 Where do you see that you can win?

00:15:13.000 Well, first of all, we have to understand that you don't win the nomination by how many states you win.

00:15:17.000 Now, ultimately, when you get to winner-take-all starting March 15th, you have to win states, because those states will award all of their delegates to the winner of that state.

00:15:24.000 But between now and then, you just said it right now, in Nevada, I got five delegates, and Ted Cruz got five delegates.

00:15:30.000 So, obviously not as many as Donald Trump, but it takes over 1,200 delegates to be the nominee.

00:15:34.000 We're not even close to getting to that number.

00:15:36.000 Right.

00:15:37.000 There are states out there right now that if you were to win that state, it would more than make up the difference between first place and third place in the delegate count.

00:15:44.000 So right now, all these states are proportional.

00:15:46.000 They are awarding delegates on proportion, meaning people are picking up delegates and the count is still relatively close in terms of the states that are laying out there.

00:15:54.000 But where are you going to do well, Senator Rubio?

00:15:55.000 Where are you going to do well on Super Tuesday?

00:15:58.000 You've got a lot of delegates up for grabs.

00:16:00.000 Where do you think next Tuesday, where are you going to do well?

00:16:04.000 Well, we feel great in every one of those states, and we're going to pick up delegates in all of them.

00:16:08.000 Now, some we feel better than others in terms of really challenging to finish even stronger than we have in the past.

00:16:13.000 You know what?

00:16:13.000 I'm not going to do and get into this Joan Amos-style prediction of we're going to win here or win there.

00:16:18.000 We've never played that expectation game.

00:16:20.000 I'm going to tell you, though, we feel really good about next Tuesday.

00:16:22.000 We're six days away.

00:16:23.000 We have an organization and a good team and a good plan for every state on the map.

00:16:28.000 So we'll find out.

00:16:29.000 Okay, we'll stop it here.

00:16:29.000 This is all delusion, okay?

00:16:30.000 You need to win this many states.

00:16:31.000 You need to win eight states in order for you to even be eligible for the nomination under current Republican Party rules.

00:16:37.000 Right now, Marco Rubio has won this many states.

00:16:39.000 He's won Zip, Zilch, Nada.

00:16:41.000 Ted Cruz has won this many.

00:16:42.000 He's won one state.

00:16:44.000 Donald Trump has won three.

00:16:45.000 There are 14 primaries coming up on Super Tuesday.

00:16:48.000 Donald Trump is currently leading or in a statistical dead heat in all 14 of these states.

00:16:53.000 All of them.

00:16:54.000 Okay, so this is all nonsense.

00:16:56.000 The idea that Rubio is going to just carry through and he'll win a few delegates here and a few delegates there.

00:17:01.000 Right now, you know, I'm going to give you the numbers as to where Marco Rubio stands in Florida.

00:17:05.000 So, Florida primaries.

00:17:07.000 We'll look at the RealClearPolitics average, okay?

00:17:10.000 So here's the RealClearPolitics average on the Florida primary.

00:17:13.000 Looking it up right now as we speak because this is how technology works, gang.

00:17:17.000 Okay, here we go.

00:17:18.000 The latest poll from Florida, this is before, before Donald Trump won New Hampshire and South Carolina and Nevada.

00:17:25.000 Okay, latest poll numbers is from January 21st, so before he won any of these states.

00:17:30.000 CBS News, Donald Trump 41, Cruz 22, Rubio 18.

00:17:37.000 Florida Atlantic University from that same period, Donald Trump 48, Ted Cruz 16, Marco Rubio 11,

00:17:45.000 So where's all this overweening confidence coming from, from Rubio?

00:17:48.000 I'm gonna lose every state in the SEC primaries, and then I'm gonna overcome a 30-point deficit, and I'm gonna beat Donald Trump.

00:17:54.000 What in the world?

00:17:55.000 These people are so delusional.

00:17:56.000 They're out of their minds, and they're letting their egos get in the way of actually winning here.

00:18:01.000 They're letting their egos get totally in the way.

00:18:03.000 Because the fact is, if Rubio doesn't drop out, Cruz has no shot.

00:18:06.000 If Cruz doesn't drop out, Rubio has no shot.

00:18:09.000 And Marco Rubio said yesterday, he was asked specifically about this, he said, Cruz-Rubio or Rubio-Cruz, never gonna happen.

00:18:15.000 Never gonna happen.

00:18:16.000 Now, I do think that Ted Cruz, because the next few states are in a place he should do well, they're in the South, what he needs to do right now is he needs to hit Trump so hard.

00:18:26.000 He needs to hit Trump as hard as he possibly can.

00:18:28.000 Enough with this nonsense about slapping Rubio. 0.96

00:18:30.000 Rubio's irrelevant.

00:18:31.000 He's not gonna win enough votes from Rubio to overcome Trump in any of these states. 0.92

00:18:35.000 He needs to slap Trump, and he needs to slap Trump hard.

00:18:38.000 Trump is the nominee. 0.98

00:18:40.000 He is the nominee.

00:18:41.000 You have to work from that.

00:18:42.000 For some reason, the Cruz camp,

00:18:44.000 They keep acting as though Cruz is the nominee right now.

00:18:46.000 He's won one state, Trump has won three, and he's losing in most of the other states in the SEC primary. 0.98

00:18:51.000 So if he wants to take down Trump, if you want to take down the biggest set of balls in the race, you gotta kick the balls as hard as you possibly can to be as blunt as humanly possible. 0.74

00:19:00.000 I want to thank, by the way, I think both Glenn and Rush Limbaugh read this column that I wrote yesterday on the air this morning about what Cruz needs to do to Trump if he actually wants to win. 0.98

00:19:09.000 Here's what I said.

00:19:10.000 I'll read it to you because it's expressed better than I will spontaneously.

00:19:13.000 What I said is, all of this means that Cruz will actually have to beat Trump outright with Rubio still in the race.

00:19:19.000 Not wait for the never-gonna-happen Rubio flameout. 0.98

00:19:22.000 He can do it, but only by recognizing that Trump is the biggest set of balls in the race and the only way to defeat him is by kicking him directly in the groin on national television. 0.97

00:19:30.000 That means Cruz needs to unleash everything, up to and including the kitchen sink. 0.99

00:19:33.000 He's gonna have to unmanned Trump.

00:19:35.000 He's gonna have to out-masculine Trump.

00:19:37.000 So here's what he should say.

00:19:39.000 Here's what Ted should say.

00:19:40.000 By the way, he's already perceived as mean.

00:19:42.000 He's already perceived as nasty.

00:19:44.000 Just embrace it.

00:19:45.000 Go with it.

00:19:47.000 I'm not a liar.

00:19:48.000 I'm sincere.

00:19:49.000 The more you say that, the more of a liar you appear to be, even if you actually are sincere and not a liar.

00:19:54.000 My first rule of political debate, never accept the premise of the other side. 1.00

00:19:57.000 The minute people started calling Cruz a liar, he should have said, no, you're a liar. 1.00

00:20:01.000 No, Trump is a liar. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Rubio's a liar. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Instead, he's, no, I'm not a liar and I'll prove to you I'll fire this person and this person. 1.00

00:20:06.000 Fail.

00:20:07.000 Okay, so here's what he needs to say to Trump.

00:20:08.000 You ready?

00:20:09.000 This is what he should say for Trump.

00:20:10.000 He should memorize this.

00:20:11.000 Put it on a notecard.

00:20:11.000 He should do a Sarah Palin and write it on his hand.

00:20:14.000 And then he should say this directly to Donald Trump because this is the only way to defeat Trump.

00:20:18.000 Hey, Donald.

00:20:19.000 For months, everybody has been tiptoeing around you out of courtesy. 1.00

00:20:22.000 Enough of that crap. 1.00

00:20:23.000 We all know, everyone in America knows, you're a spoiled brat who has never had anybody say no to him, you're a pathetic, bloated old sack of guts who stood on daddy's money to make billions, and then you can't shut up about how you're a self-made man. 1.00

00:20:36.000 Okay, you're a ridiculous adult, you lie about your politics, you brag about having sex with married women, you shaft little old ladies for cash, and every time you're attacked, your face turns as red as the Kool-Aid man, and you start bloviating and trying to talk over people, and then you cite polls, like polls make you not these things. 1.00

00:20:50.000 The polls don't mean you're not all of these things, you are all of these things. 1.00

00:20:53.000 You're just as much of a ridiculous, pathetic clown as you ever were. 1.00

00:20:56.000 You're a reality TV star bloviating on national TV, and everybody is laughing at you. 1.00

00:21:01.000 They're laughing at you.

00:21:03.000 And what will happen then, because this is how Trump operates, is he'll start citing the polls.

00:21:06.000 He'll say, look, you're citing the polls there again.

00:21:08.000 You have to call out his tactic before he does it.

00:21:10.000 You're citing the polls again, as though this makes you not these things.

00:21:13.000 I don't care what the polls say.

00:21:14.000 See, unlike you, I don't rely for polls on how I decide to live my life. 1.00

00:21:19.000 It just shows how pathetic and sad you are. 0.99

00:21:20.000 You have no core principles. 1.00

00:21:21.000 For you, everything is about, oh, people like me, oh, the polls. 0.99

00:21:23.000 Who gives a crap? 0.99

00:21:25.000 You're a sad old man, and all your billions of dollars aren't gonna make you sleep happy at night just because you can buy your friends. 1.00

00:21:32.000 You can buy the Clintons to come to your wedding. 1.00

00:21:34.000 You have to be absolutely scornful and nasty. 0.98

00:21:37.000 You have to step on Trump. 0.97

00:21:38.000 And the minute that Trump starts to turn red, you need to say, look at this, Donald, you look like the Kool-Aid man. 0.99

00:21:43.000 I mean, this is ridiculous. 0.99

00:21:44.000 You're starting to look like a red light. 0.98

00:21:47.000 If you do that,

00:21:48.000 Then, for the first time, you'll have unmanned him.

00:21:50.000 But the problem is, every time everybody attacks Trump, it's Jeb Bush, who then goes crying about his mommy.

00:21:57.000 Or Ted Cruz, who does it like a debate club lawyer would.

00:22:01.000 Where he says things like, Donald, you know, adults don't interrupt each other.

00:22:05.000 Okay, schoolmarm.

00:22:06.000 Like, no one cares.

00:22:07.000 That doesn't work.

00:22:08.000 Donald Trump is the master of the playground insult.

00:22:11.000 You need to best him at his own game.

00:22:13.000 When you do that, he has no other game.

00:22:15.000 There is no other game for Trump.

00:22:16.000 The only game for Trump is being the manliest man who ever manned on this earth.

00:22:22.000 And the only way he can stop that is by emasculating him.

00:22:25.000 End of story.

00:22:26.000 Does anyone have the guts to do that?

00:22:27.000 I don't think so.

00:22:28.000 I don't think Cruz will do that tomorrow night.

00:22:29.000 I think it'll be just another cakewalk for Trump. 1.00

00:22:32.000 I think the Cruz camp thinks that their main opposition here is Rubio because they're stupid. 1.00

00:22:36.000 I think the Rubio camp thinks that their main opposition here is Cruz because they're stupid. 1.00

00:22:40.000 I think they're both outstupiding each other. 0.99

00:22:42.000 And Trump is just sailing right over the top happy dappy do all the way to the nomination and then we're gonna have to we're gonna have to go to Cleveland and cover this thing.

00:22:50.000 We'll do the podcast from Cleveland by the way.

00:22:52.000 We'll go to Cleveland for the RNC and watch Donald Trump accept the mantle of the conservative party in America in Cleveland in the middle of the summer with the humidity and the poverty and the Trumpity

00:23:06.000 And it's just gonna be horrible.

00:23:07.000 So, there's your picker-upper for today, gang.

00:23:10.000 I get a lot of notes saying, I have to listen to Shapiro and then I listen to Klaven to kind of pick me back up off the floor after all of that.

00:23:17.000 Well, the problem is that Klaven might inflate your hopes a little bit too much, so let me grind those into dust for you. 0.97

00:23:22.000 I actually have a mortar and a pestle right here.

00:23:24.000 I'm gonna take your hope, I'm just gonna...

00:23:26.000 Until there is nothing left of your hope.

00:23:29.000 And then, finally, when we put your hope aside, we can get down to the brass tacks reality that it's time for you, yes you, to stand up and fight to join the movement that we're creating to actually fight on behalf of conservatism and not on behalf of bloviating tyrants like Donald Trump.

00:23:44.000 It's time to actually stand up.

00:23:45.000 And it's not a matter of worship for Ted Cruz.

00:23:47.000 I think Ted Cruz is a terrible candidate.

00:23:49.000 In a thousand ways, I think Ted Cruz is a terrible candidate.

00:23:52.000 But I think he believes a lot of the right things.

00:23:53.000 And I don't think Trump believes any of the right things.

00:23:55.000 I think Trump believes in Trump.

00:23:56.000 And that's not a right thing.

00:23:58.000 That's the essence of idolatry. 0.91

00:24:00.000 Okay, moving over to the other side of the aisle, what makes all of this so tragic, honestly, really tragic, what makes all of it so tragic, is that on the other side of the aisle, you have a bunch of old fruitcake nutjobs. 0.98

00:24:11.000 Okay, seriously, it's Hillary Clinton, who is, as I've said before, spawned from the mouth of hell, and she is here, she's the most corrupt political figure in American political history, against an old socialist, like old school USSR vacationing socialist, Bernie Sanders. 0.95

00:24:28.000 And we can't take these people? 0.93

00:24:30.000 We can't take these people? 0.99

00:24:31.000 Our best shot at these people is going to be the over loud, brash, old man, bag of wind who... 0.92

00:24:41.000 Throws old ladies off their property for limousine, but like that guy is the guy? 0.97

00:24:44.000 So let's move over to the other side of the aisle.

00:24:46.000 Last night, aside from Trump being on national TV doing this routine, aside from that, you had Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton having another one of these town hall events.

00:24:54.000 And it wasn't a debate, because their debates aren't really debates either.

00:24:57.000 It was a town hall event, and Hillary Clinton spoke about a variety of things.

00:25:01.000 So did Sanders.

00:25:02.000 Here's Bernie, just to give you a hint as to how extreme Bernie Sanders is.

00:25:06.000 Here's Bernie Sanders talking about national security, talking about the CIA.

00:25:10.000 Here we go.

00:25:12.000 It's been reported that in 1974, that's a while ago, you said the CIA is a dangerous institution that has got to go. 0.51

00:25:22.000 You went on to say the CIA was accountable to no one except right-wing lunatics who use it to prop up fascist dictatorships.

00:25:30.000 Do you stand by those comments that we said back then?

00:25:32.000 That was 40 years ago.

00:25:34.000 You know, since then I've served eight years as mayor of the city of Burlington.

00:25:38.000 I've spent 16 years in the House and nine years in the United States Senate.

00:25:42.000 But let me tell you this.

00:25:44.000 I do have concerns about past activities of the CIA.

00:25:48.000 CIA was involved in the overthrow of a gentleman named Mohammad Mossadegh way back when in Iran.

00:25:57.000 Overthrew him on behalf of British oil.

00:25:59.000 And you know what happened?

00:26:00.000 That led to the Iranian Revolution, and we are where we are today. 0.62

00:26:06.000 Okay, we can stop it there.

00:26:07.000 So this is a guy, first of all, the idea that I've evolved in my thinking because I was in Congress.

00:26:12.000 Tell me why the CIA is good then.

00:26:14.000 He's telling me all the reasons why he was right back in 74, that the CIA has to go.

00:26:18.000 Right?

00:26:18.000 This is the guy who is second place in the Democratic primary, saying the CIA had to be destroyed.

00:26:24.000 By the way, what he's saying about Mosaddegh is crap. 0.99

00:26:25.000 Mosaddegh was a Soviet-installed 0.95

00:26:29.000 Agent, essentially, and he was going to nationalize all of the oil resources in Iran and the CIA helped overthrow him in favor of the Shah of Iran and we had a full 20 years of peace before Jimmy Carter decided, great idea, let's let the Shah go and let the Ayatollahs rise. 0.93

00:26:42.000 So, blaming it on the CIA back in the 50s is ridiculous.

00:26:45.000 Blaming it on Jimmy Carter is a little bit less ridiculous.

00:26:48.000 So that's Bernie Sanders, and then there's Bernie Sanders talking about Donald Trump and the other Republicans.

00:26:54.000 Here is Bernie Sanders on that topic.

00:26:55.000 By the way, before we start, notice that Chris Cuomo is interviewing him.

00:26:59.000 You want to know everything you have to know about the corruption of the media?

00:27:02.000 This man, Chris Cuomo, his brother is the Democratic governor of New York, and his father is the former Democratic governor of New York.

00:27:10.000 The media's just honeycombed with relatives of leftist politicians.

00:27:14.000 Here's Bernie Sanders talking about Donald Trump and Obama and everybody's racist against Obama.

00:27:18.000 I've been dealing in the last seven years with an unprecedented level of obstructionism against President Obama.

00:27:33.000 Literally, literally, it turns out, on the day that Obama was inaugurated, Republicans came together and said, what are we going to do?

00:27:40.000 And what they concluded is, we're going to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct, make it as difficult as he could to do anything.

00:27:50.000 Now, we have had to fight through that, and I've been at the President's side time and time again, getting a stimulus bill through when we're in the midst of a horrendous recession, Affordable Care Act, etc., etc., etc.

00:28:03.000 But what you are seeing today in this Supreme Court situation is nothing more than the continuous and unprecedented obstructionism that President Obama has gone through.

00:28:20.000 And this, and this is on top

00:28:26.000 Of this birther issue, which we heard from Donald Trump and others.

00:28:31.000 A racist effort to try to de-legitimize the President of the United States.

00:28:37.000 Can you imagine that?

00:28:38.000 To say, well, he's not really the President.

00:28:40.000 And then I need my fruit cup and I need it right now!

00:28:43.000 And I can't believe that I've gone this long on this stage with you people without my delicious cup of fruit.

00:28:49.000 How long do you expect me to go without the fruit cup?

00:28:53.000 I like the cantaloupe.

00:28:53.000 I don't like the honeydew melon quite as much, but I love the cantaloupe.

00:28:57.000 So, Bernie Sanders is out there raving and ranting about birthers.

00:29:01.000 Okay, no one opposes Obama's judicial nominees because they think he was born in Kenya. 1.00

00:29:06.000 It's the stupidest garbage ever. 1.00

00:29:08.000 I'm not a birther, I never was a birther. 1.00

00:29:10.000 You can find videos online of birthers ripping into me for suggesting that Obama was born in Hawaii, which he clearly was.

00:29:17.000 I oppose Obama's nominee because he's a far-left radical, just like Sanders, just like Hillary. 0.96

00:29:21.000 Just like the entire Democratic Party, they shouldn't be picking judicial nominees because they just used the judiciary to cram down whatever leftist garbage they feel like that day.

00:29:30.000 But these are the people, like, really? 0.96

00:29:31.000 These are the people we can't beat?

00:29:32.000 These are the unbeatable Democrats?

00:29:34.000 And then, let's go to the frontrunner.

00:29:35.000 Here's Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:29:36.000 Hillary Clinton.

00:29:38.000 She started the war in Libya.

00:29:39.000 It was her war. 0.81

00:29:40.000 She wanted the war in Libya to prove that she was a rough-and-tumble go-getter when she was the Secretary of State so that she could run for president. 0.99

00:29:47.000 Only one problem, Libya turned into an absolute garbage heap. 1.00

00:29:50.000 Four Americans got killed in Benghazi and now it's run by terrorists. 0.95

00:29:53.000 Here's Hillary last night defending the anarchy in Libya while wearing Chairman Mao's blue coat. 0.98

00:29:58.000 Here we go.

00:30:08.000 Have tried to piece together a government against a lot of really serious challenges internally, coming from the outside with terrorist groups and other bad actors.

00:30:20.000 They're working to try to unify the different factions inside Libya so that they can take united action against the terrorists and try to get the East and the West of the country working together.

00:30:33.000 You know, they're a rich country.

00:30:35.000 They have oil.

00:30:37.000 We can pause this right here.

00:30:42.000 This is total... Libya is a rich country.

00:30:47.000 Did you know that?

00:30:49.000 Were you aware Libya is just a paradise on earth? 1.00

00:30:51.000 It's a rich country.

00:30:52.000 Everybody there is living just beautiful standards of living.

00:30:55.000 They're really rich because they have oil.

00:30:56.000 She sounds like Trump here, by the way. 0.99

00:30:59.000 Anybody who says that Hillary's an expert on foreign affairs and Trump is an ignoramus... No, they're both ignorami. 0.98

00:31:04.000 Right, for the Latin plural. 0.99

00:31:06.000 Okay, so this is such nonsense. 0.81

00:31:08.000 But Hillary Clinton, okay. 1.00

00:31:10.000 She says, oh, they elected a moderate government, and now they're just trying to figure out how to work together?

00:31:14.000 No.

00:31:14.000 The moderate government has been, for the past several months, meeting in a port city, and sometimes meeting on a boat offshore, because terrorists, including Al Qaeda and ISIS, have taken over the entire country because of you.

00:31:25.000 You doof.

00:31:26.000 Okay, so that's the front runner.

00:31:28.000 She's the front runner. 0.98

00:31:29.000 She's the next president, this lady. 0.99

00:31:30.000 And then there's Hillary Clinton doing the, I'm a victim routine.

00:31:33.000 This lady, she's been a victim her whole life, from her birth in the richest part of Chicago, to her difficulties at Wellesley College, to her brutal marriage to the governor of Arkansas and president of the United States, to her difficult run for Senate on the back of her husband, to her difficult appointment as secretary of state, to her difficult run for the presidency this time.

00:31:53.000 This is a woman who's really had it tough.

00:31:56.000 She's been subject to just brutal double standards her entire life.

00:31:59.000 And another one of those double standards is this Bernie Sanders character asking to see her speeches at Goldman Sachs.

00:32:04.000 Because that's just sexism. 1.00

00:32:06.000 Let's be real.

00:32:06.000 That's just asking to see speeches at your Wall Street firms that you suggest are terrible and evil and you want to regulate.

00:32:12.000 The only reason you would do that is because you hate the Clintons.

00:32:14.000 That's the only reason you'd do that.

00:32:16.000 Here's Hillary saying just that. 0.99

00:32:18.000 Earlier tonight, I asked Senator Sanders, will you give your transcripts of speeches?

00:32:22.000 That's what you said.

00:32:23.000 When the others give, then I'll give.

00:32:25.000 He said he doesn't have the bank speeches.

00:32:26.000 If he can find any of the speeches that he did give for money, he will gladly give the transcripts up.

00:32:32.000 So, will you agree to release these transcripts?

00:32:35.000 They have become an issue.

00:32:37.000 Sure, if everybody does it, and that includes the Republicans, because we know they have made a lot of speeches.

00:32:42.000 But look, what is this about?

00:32:44.000 This is about whether I have the best plan to go after Wall Street, whether I have a record that already demonstrates my willingness to take on Wall Street and financial interests.

00:32:55.000 And there's no question about that.

00:32:56.000 I did it before the 08 crash.

00:32:58.000 Okay, and she's going to jab her now. 1.00

00:32:59.000 I have done it since in this campaign.

00:33:00.000 So the short answer is no, right?

00:33:02.000 No, you're not going to see them.

00:33:03.000 By the way, she's running in a Democratic primary.

00:33:05.000 Why do the Republicans have to turn over their- They're not the ones asking you for your transcripts.

00:33:09.000 It's your opponent in the Democratic primary who is asking you to do this.

00:33:13.000 And she doesn't have a record of going after Wall Street.

00:33:15.000 Are you kidding?

00:33:15.000 You know how much Wall Street money this lady has in her coffers?

00:33:18.000 Hillary is one of the chief recipients of Wall Street cash in this race and in 2008. 1.00

00:33:23.000 She- For goodness sake, there's a picture of her- We've shown it on the program.

00:33:26.000 There's a picture of her with a shovel at the groundbreaking for Goldman Sachs.

00:33:31.000 Clearly, they see her as an enemy.

00:33:32.000 So, if these are the people the Republicans can't beat, they don't deserve to win.

00:33:35.000 I mean, this is a sad, sad group of folks.

00:33:38.000 And then, just to put a depressing cap around this day, Chris Matthews, a man who brushes his hair with his shoe, he was on yesterday.

00:33:50.000 He was on yesterday, and he was promoting the idea of a Hillary-John Kasich unity ticket, which shows you how far the Republican Party has come.

00:33:58.000 Donald Trump will be our nominee, and John Kasich, who is the governor of Ohio, will be Hillary Clinton's running mate.

00:34:04.000 A man who brushes his hair with his loafer will tell you all about it.

00:34:08.000 Here we go.

00:34:09.000 How does John Kasich help an effort to defeat Donald Trump, if that's your goal?

00:34:15.000 Well, I think, Chris, ultimately I'm hoping that we get this down to a two-person race.

00:34:21.000 We have a governor who has a proven record of leadership against a rhetorical candidate.

00:34:27.000 We have someone who's demonstrated his conservative credentials.

00:34:31.000 Uh, against one who, who claims he is, but, uh, it's pretty difficult to find.

00:34:35.000 We have somebody who is respectful of the process, who's built coalitions way back in the time we spent together in the Congress of the United States, at the time he's been able to lead, uh, the, the great state of Ohio.

00:34:46.000 So, ultimately, I don't know what the establishment, I hear people throwing that term around, moving toward Rubio.

00:34:52.000 No, there's a lot of us that think the best

00:34:54.000 The best way for us to win, not the traditional Republican states, but you and I have had discussion before, it's the purple states.

00:35:01.000 You gotta get somebody there that's a unifier, that appeals to the broader section of the party, and John's the guy.

00:35:08.000 Hey, I've talked about him being on the ticket with Hillary, so I do like Kasich.

00:35:11.000 I'm not sure how the hell he fits into your party anymore.

00:35:14.000 I wonder if your party has room for a moderate like Kasich anymore.

00:35:18.000 I just wonder.

00:35:19.000 I look at all the excitement for Cruz and Trump and people so far to the right of John Kasich seem to be getting all the noise.

00:35:27.000 Well, I think, first of all, Trump gets a lot...

00:35:43.000 But Trump's extreme.

00:35:44.000 He's so extreme, he's so extreme.

00:35:45.000 That's why I think that Hillary should do a joint ticket with John Kasich and they should run together and then I will follow along with this drool pen that I like to carry from time to time. 1.00

00:35:53.000 It was given to me by my wife Kathleen the first time that I found out that my leg tingled from President Obama.

00:35:57.000 She said, here, take this drool pen and then you can sort of run around, you can give it to President Obama and you can use his drool to brush your hair sometimes because it looks so crazy on TV.

00:36:06.000 And then you go home and you go to sleep and then you wake up the next day, you roll out of bed, you're still wearing that same suit you've been wearing for three months.

00:36:12.000 You never go to the dry cleaner.

00:36:13.000 Who goes to the dry cleaners? 1.00

00:36:14.000 Dry cleaners are a stupid place. 1.00

00:36:15.000 What even, Drew? 1.00

00:36:16.000 If you're not washing it with water, then is it really clean?

00:36:18.000 Let me ask you that.

00:36:19.000 Your thoughts, Michael Isikoff.

00:36:22.000 So, Chris Matthews promoting the Hillary Kasich ticket.

00:36:26.000 This is how far we've come in American politics.

00:36:29.000 Oh, happy day.

00:36:30.000 Okay, time for some things that I like and finally some things that I hate.

00:36:33.000 So, first, something that I like.

00:36:35.000 This week we've been doing kind of pop music that I like because I know everyone thinks that I'm a Bond villain. 0.98

00:36:41.000 Which I may very well be, but I wouldn't tell you about it, and I certainly wouldn't tell you about my evil plans if I were going to launch them against you, at least not before killing you. 0.75

00:36:48.000 It's a mistake Bond villains always make. 0.99

00:36:50.000 Kill him first, then talk about your plans.

00:36:52.000 In any case, I don't just listen to classical music, I also listen to pop music, and particularly kind of old pop music. 0.98

00:36:59.000 So, we've done Carole King this week, I think I've talked about Jim Croce in the past, yesterday we did the Doobie Brothers, so today, it's James Taylor, who I know, I know he's a Democrat, I know that

00:37:08.000 John Kerry sends him over to Paris to play stupid songs for the Parisians after a bunch of them get killed in a terrorist attack, but... Fire and Rain is a great song, and here's James Taylor doing Fire and Rain.

00:37:21.000 We can play it. 0.99

00:37:22.000 Yep.

00:37:35.000 Great song.

00:38:05.000 Okay, so there's your feel-good moment of the day.

00:38:09.000 Now back to things that are terrible.

00:38:27.000 Actually, one more thing that's kind of funny.

00:38:28.000 Casey Affleck, who is the... Casey Affleck is actually a better actor than Ben.

00:38:33.000 He doesn't get credit for this, but Casey's a much better actor.

00:38:35.000 Ben is truly a wooden actor.

00:38:37.000 Casey is a pretty good actor.

00:38:40.000 What's that movie?

00:38:41.000 There's one he did with Morgan Freeman that's actually a very good crime film.

00:38:45.000 How are you?

00:38:45.000 Well, fine.

00:38:45.000 Yeah, good.

00:38:46.000 Thanks for dressing up.

00:39:10.000 I can't tell whether this choice is, like, the least celebrity thing to do or the most celebrity thing to do.

00:39:16.000 Because it's very casual.

00:39:18.000 Thank you.

00:39:19.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 You look great.

00:39:21.000 Well, thank you.

00:39:22.000 I'm not saying you don't look good.

00:39:23.000 No, so rude.

00:39:24.000 No, I'm not saying that at all.

00:39:25.000 But people often... I'm not rude at all.

00:39:28.000 You're implying I'm being rude.

00:39:29.000 No, not at all.

00:39:30.000 A little bit.

00:39:31.000 Not at all.

00:39:32.000 What do you think?

00:39:33.000 No.

00:39:33.000 What do you think?

00:39:34.000 Not at all.

00:39:35.000 It is just some playful ribbing.

00:39:37.000 Is this mine?

00:39:38.000 Let's find out.

00:39:41.000 This is fine.

00:39:42.000 This is fine.

00:39:43.000 This is fine.

00:39:43.000 Cheers.

00:39:44.000 You can have that.

00:39:44.000 You want some?

00:39:45.000 Thirsty?

00:39:47.000 It's just water.

00:39:48.000 It's just water.

00:39:49.000 I actually like this look.

00:39:50.000 This is like... You look like, um, like when you're younger and they give you, like, the little... It's just water.

00:39:55.000 Did you want something better than water?

00:39:57.000 No, that's fine.

00:39:58.000 Thank you.

00:39:59.000 How long are we gonna talk about this?

00:40:01.000 Until I get to my joke.

00:40:03.000 Okay.

00:40:03.000 Does it always take this long?

00:40:06.000 It's not a joke.

00:40:07.000 It's not a joke.

00:40:07.000 You really look like a street-corner Jesus.

00:40:09.000 You look like... 0.55

00:40:12.000 We do.

00:40:15.000 The movie, 999, which you're here for, let's get down to the heat of the meeting right now.

00:40:19.000 Terrific picture.

00:40:19.000 It is a terrific picture.

00:40:21.000 And you're terrific in it.

00:40:22.000 Thank you.

00:40:22.000 You're welcome.

00:40:24.000 Was that so hard?

00:40:24.000 You're suddenly going so well.

00:40:29.000 I don't understand why.

00:40:30.000 We should probably end up fighting at the end of this.

00:40:33.000 Like bare-knuckle boxing.

00:40:34.000 I don't want to do that.

00:40:35.000 Do you have a lot of brothers and sisters?

00:40:36.000 I know you got one that I know of.

00:40:37.000 One, that's it.

00:40:38.000 That's it?

00:40:38.000 Yeah, okay.

00:40:39.000 Okay, just curious.

00:40:40.000 Do you want to fight me?

00:40:42.000 No.

00:40:43.000 It feels like this is where this is going.

00:40:45.000 Oh, no.

00:40:45.000 But I'm wearing glasses.

00:40:46.000 I'd like to fight you.

00:40:47.000 I'm wearing glasses, so you couldn't possibly throw a punch at me.

00:40:52.000 I enjoyed the movie very much.

00:40:54.000 I've only seen an hour and ten minutes of it because I had to stop and help my son with a science project.

00:40:59.000 But it's true, true story.

00:41:01.000 But I really like it.

00:41:02.000 You're doing a fantastic job in this movie.

00:41:04.000 Thanks so much.

00:41:05.000 I really hope your character ends up okay in the end.

00:41:08.000 Don't tell me.

00:41:09.000 I won't tell you.

00:41:10.000 I'm a good guy.

00:41:13.000 You're the good guy in this movie.

00:41:14.000 Yeah, I'm a good guy.

00:41:15.000 There are a lot of bad guys.

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:16.000 A very formidable cast of bad characters.

00:41:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:20.000 Played by some very formidable actors.

00:41:22.000 Yes.

00:41:23.000 A couple of superheroes.

00:41:24.000 We got Gal Gadot as a superhero.

00:41:26.000 Anthony Mackie's a superhero.

00:41:27.000 Sure, sure.

00:41:28.000 We can stop it here.

00:41:31.000 It just goes on like this, but I think that all guests of Stephen Colbert should show up high.

00:41:36.000 I think that it would dramatically improve his program. 0.99

00:41:39.000 His program is such terrible garbage. 1.00

00:41:41.000 It's so terrible. 1.00

00:41:42.000 So, the more people who are stoned on Stephen Colbert's program, the better the program is.

00:41:47.000 He's got no viewers anyways.

00:41:48.000 He might as well experiment.

00:41:49.000 I mean, why not?

00:41:50.000 So, when you see the word white, what comes to mind?

00:42:23.000 Deep breath.

00:42:24.000 I... How do I feel about the word white?

00:42:31.000 Oh, deep, deep music here.

00:42:34.000 Words play a big part in our lives, sometimes triggering immediate negative or positive responses.

00:42:38.000 We asked people of color from around the world to respond to the word white.

00:42:42.000 Privilege.

00:42:43.000 I think power.

00:42:45.000 Access.

00:42:47.000 Luxury.

00:42:48.000 Arise.

00:42:49.000 Some good, some bad.

00:42:51.000 Can't be critical of.

00:42:53.000 All whites, but there is a strong element of racism in white Australia.

00:42:57.000 This guy looks like the vice president of the bank right now.

00:42:59.000 I think Iggy Azalea and Miley Cyrus.

00:43:02.000 White is a way of being. 1.00

00:43:05.000 Doesn't always mean skin colour.

00:43:07.000 It's a way of thinking.

00:43:08.000 When I think about white, I think about maybe a group of people who I would love to be in harmony with, but don't always feel like they feel the same way towards me.

00:43:17.000 White-run, controlled system. 0.87

00:43:22.000 Not understanding.

00:43:23.000 They don't acknowledge what has happened in the past.

00:43:28.000 They don't try to understand as well.

00:43:30.000 They just push it off and say that it's in the past.

00:43:34.000 What I think when I see the word white,

00:43:36.000 The first word that comes to mind would be privilege.

00:43:38.000 Oh, shock.

00:43:39.000 Arrogance.

00:43:39.000 Naive.

00:43:40.000 So there's just several things throughout the course of history.

00:43:43.000 Okay, and it continues along these lines. 0.99

00:43:44.000 Just a bunch of people saying that white people are the worst. 1.00

00:43:46.000 White people suck universally. 1.00

00:43:48.000 Okay, gang. 1.00

00:43:49.000 If white people suck universally, I would like our civilization back. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Meaning, like, white European civilization. 1.00

00:43:54.000 You guys can't have any of it.

00:43:56.000 How about that? 0.99

00:43:56.000 Because it turns out that Western civilization was created by these evil, terrible white people, and all of you are on camera for BuzzFeed right now because of the benefits of things created by white folks. 0.99

00:44:06.000 The point here is not that white people are better than non-white people. 0.99

00:44:09.000 God forbid.

00:44:10.000 It's of course not true.

00:44:11.000 The point here is that we're all supposed to live in this culture that we share together, a civilization that we share, and the race of the people doesn't matter.

00:44:18.000 And if you're going to go to all whites are bad, let me just tell you something. 0.98

00:44:21.000 Whites have created all of the things that you live with. 1.00

00:44:24.000 Whites created the camera that is being used to film this segment of you, right? 0.72

00:44:31.000 The website that you are putting this up on, BuzzFeed, is run by a white guy, Ben Smith. 0.99

00:44:36.000 The idea that white people are universally awful, you're the racist. 0.99

00:44:39.000 I mean, if this is what you believe, if you believe that white is white privilege and white power and white people are awful and they just don't understand, 1.00

00:44:46.000 Screw you! 1.00

00:44:46.000 There are plenty of white people who actually agree with you on all this stuff. 1.00

00:44:49.000 You got this crazy white tattooed guy there who's saying the same stuff that you're saying. 0.96

00:44:53.000 Is he bad because he's white or is he not white? 0.98

00:44:55.000 How does this work exactly?

00:44:57.000 The way that the left likes to work this is that they have feel- all these people have feelings about white people.

00:45:02.000 Let me tell you something. 0.71

00:45:02.000 You replace the word white with black there and that's the most racist video you ever saw. 0.71

00:45:06.000 You get a bunch of white people say, what do you think of black? 0.93

00:45:09.000 Well, when I think of black, I think of people who don't understand me or my civilization. 1.00

00:45:14.000 When I think of black people, I think of 0.93

00:45:16.000 Self-centeredness and privilege and an expectation that they deserve more. 0.94

00:45:20.000 You can't say that about black people because it's not true. 0.66

00:45:23.000 It's not true universally about black people.

00:45:25.000 There are black people who believe these things.

00:45:26.000 There are white people who believe these things.

00:45:28.000 There are Hispanic people who believe these things.

00:45:30.000 This is the problem with thinking of people in terms of group identity.

00:45:34.000 This is the problem with thinking of people solely in terms of skin color. 1.00

00:45:36.000 And it is pathetic. 1.00

00:45:38.000 It is pathetic. 0.99

00:45:39.000 That 50 years after Martin Luther King's death, we're going back to Martin Luther King, reopening the books, and just tearing out everything that he stood for, and saying, let's remove all of that and go back to group identity. 0.93

00:45:50.000 But this time, it's revenge of the group identity.

00:45:53.000 This time, it isn't the whites who are going to be racist against all the other groups. 0.93

00:45:56.000 It's going to be all the other groups who are racist against the whites. 1.00

00:45:58.000 How despicable and disgusting. 1.00

00:46:00.000 And by the way, how terrible for all of these people. 0.99

00:46:02.000 If you feel that you live in a system created by white privilege, how are you ever going to succeed?

00:46:06.000 If you internalize the idea that society is out to victimize you because of all these evil white people, how exactly do you expect to succeed in the real world? 0.76

00:46:15.000 And this sort of stuff, what it's really designed to do is make white people feel guilty.

00:46:19.000 For things that I haven't done, you haven't done. 0.86

00:46:22.000 If you've done bad things, if you're a white person who's done racist things, feel guilty. 0.65

00:46:25.000 Okay? 0.57

00:46:26.000 I haven't.

00:46:26.000 I don't feel guilty for this stuff because I wasn't involved in this stuff.

00:46:30.000 And guess what?

00:46:30.000 If you're a minority person and you do bad stuff, feel guilty for the things in which you were involved, but you don't have to feel guilty about everything that's happened in the past or stuff that other people do.

00:46:38.000 Be an individual, a decent individual.

00:46:40.000 If we were all decent individuals, life would be fine.

00:46:43.000 The minute you start labeling us part of groups, it is indecent to do that.

00:46:46.000 It is indecent to do that.

00:46:47.000 That video is indecent.

00:46:49.000 It's immoral.

00:46:50.000 It's actually evil. 0.98

00:46:50.000 It's an evil video to have all these people talking about how white people are just white privilege and white power. 0.98

00:46:55.000 White people don't understand me. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Screw you. 1.00

00:46:58.000 Screw you. 1.00

00:46:59.000 Because it turns out that maybe I understand your perspective and I disagree. 0.99

00:47:03.000 Is that possible?

00:47:04.000 If you're of the left, that I just disagree with you?

00:47:05.000 Is that possible?

00:47:06.000 That I think that you're misguided?

00:47:08.000 That the things that you're preaching here are wrong?

00:47:10.000 Is that possible too?

00:47:11.000 Or do I just hold a universally biased view?

00:47:14.000 And you're completely unbiased.

00:47:15.000 You're completely objective about your life.

00:47:16.000 You're objective about the universe.

00:47:17.000 But we, the white group, we're the ones who are completely not objective.

00:47:22.000 We're subjective, you're objective.

00:47:23.000 Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

00:47:25.000 Every individual is an individual, and the level of melanin in your skin makes no difference to whether you're right or whether you're wrong.

00:47:32.000 You're either right or you're wrong on the merits of your rightness or wrongness, not based on your ethnicity, or your race, or your skin color.

00:47:39.000 That's absurd.

00:47:41.000 Well, we'll be back here tomorrow, just hours before we go over to Cal State University of Los Angeles, and we will give you the update on the run-up to that.

00:47:49.000 Plus, tonight is a town hall event with some of the Republican candidates.

00:47:53.000 Donald Trump isn't showing up.

00:47:54.000 He's such a manly man that he's avoiding Megyn Kelly again at this town hall event.

00:47:58.000 So we'll discuss all of that.

00:47:59.000 Always lots to discuss, plus the mailbag.

00:48:02.000 And folks, let me just say at the very end here, if I haven't replied to your email, I really apologize.

00:48:07.000 I started off intending to reply to every email that we received.

00:48:10.000 Thank God our audience has become so big that's impossible now.

00:48:12.000 We're getting literally well over a hundred emails a day into our fan mailbox.

00:48:17.000 So if I don't get back to you personally, I apologize.

00:48:20.000 Lindsey will try to do her best to get back to you and at least acknowledge that we have received your message and maybe your reply will, maybe you'll get a reply in the mailbag tomorrow.

00:48:28.000 You never know.

00:48:28.000 bshapiro at dailywire.com.

00:48:30.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:48:31.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - February 24, 2016

Ep. 78 - To Defeat Trump, Cruz Must Kick Him In The Balls

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