The Ben Shapiro Show - March 03, 2016


Ep. 83 - Romney vs. Trump: Clash Of The Titans

Topics
Never Trump movement Never Trump Ted Cruz nomination chances Tim Tebow fans bias climate change
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Donald Trump Mitt Romney Marco Rubio Ted Cruz Tim Tebow Hillary Clinton Pat Buchanan Chris Christie Lindsey Graham Colin Cowherd Barack Obama John McCain David Duke George W. Bush Jake Tapper Patrick Buchanan Bernie Sanders Papukannan Stephen Sund John Demjanjuk and 42 more
Ep. 82 - Hillary Vows 'Love and Kindness.' We're Screwed. Ep. 84 - No, Trump Isn't Hitler

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Tonight's episode of The Ben Shapiro Show is all about Donald Trump, Mitt Romney, and the Never Trump movement. Plus, a blast from the past as Mitt Romney enters the presidential fray. Ben Shapiro is a regular contributor to CNN and host of the conservative podcast "The Weekly Standard" and is a frequent contributor to the New York Times and the Daily Wire. He's also the host of "The Daily Wire" and hosts the conservative radio show "Conspiracy Theories" on Fox News and CNN. Ben is the author of the book "Conspiracies: The Inside Story of the Trump Revolution" and has been featured on ABC's "The View" and CBS' "The Early Edition" and "The Five". He is also the co-host of the radio show, "The Situation Room" on SiriusXM Radio's The Situation Room with Alex Castellanos. You can catch him on the Tonight Show with John Dickerson and Alex Blumberg wherever you get your shows on the airwaves. If you're a fan of the show, please consider becoming a patron patron by clicking the link below. Thanks for listening and supporting the show! Thanks also to our sponsor, Caff Monster Energy Drink. We make great drinks and coffee! Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe and subscribe to our new podcast, and tell a friend about the show on Apple Podcasts! or wherever else you're listening to your favorite podcast. Enjoy & Retweet us your thoughts on social media! Tweet us what you think of this episode! and let us know what you thought of it! Timestamps you'd like to be featured on the next episode? and tag us in your thoughts and what you're looking forward to in our next episode of the Ben Shapiro show? and we'll be hearing about it on Instapaper? in the next one? on Insta: or your answer is a tweet about it? or you'll be getting a cup of coffee and what's your favorite thing we're drinking next week? & we'll have it on the podcast next week's episode will be responding to it on your feed? :) tweet us on Instaphotcastrocast & your answer to this episode is in a post on Instafeed if you have a question or your thoughts or your response is a cup o

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00:00:00.000 This presidential race is getting crazier and crazier tonight.
00:00:03.000 Another interminable Republican debate.
00:00:05.000 We'll preview it, talk about what needs to happen.
00:00:07.000 Plus, a blast from the past as Mitt Romney enters the presidential fray.
00:00:12.000 Guns a-blazing and mouth a-flapping.
00:00:14.000 We'll talk about that.
00:00:15.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:15.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:23.000 Okay, so we're going to start with Donald Trump, as always, because he's the Republican frontrunner, and also because he is wildly entertaining.
00:00:32.000 And I want to talk about a couple of things.
00:00:33.000 First off, I just want to remind people, every day I feel the necessity to remind you, this is the man who is likely going to be your Republican nominee unless there is a major movement to stop Donald Trump.
00:00:43.000 And then I'm gonna talk about Romney, and then after that, I'm gonna talk about the Never Trump movement, which has started to gain a lot of steam online.
00:00:49.000 Okay, so let's start off with a reminder who Donald Trump is.
00:00:52.000 So Donald Trump put out this video yesterday.
00:00:55.000 He put out this video yesterday, and here is the video of Donald Trump talking about how he's going to make America great again.
00:01:08.000 In making deals, even if it's big deals, with Congress or maybe other countries, it really takes a certain amount of common sense.
00:01:16.000 You have to have personality.
00:01:17.000 You have to size up the other side.
00:01:19.000 Some people are going to be different.
00:01:21.000 When you're dealing with Russia, it may be different than dealing with China.
00:01:24.000 You have different personalities.
00:01:26.000 You have to be able to size them up.
00:01:27.000 You want to make great deals for our country.
00:01:30.000 You have to get people together.
00:01:31.000 When you're dealing in Congress, we have to get them all into a room and we have to say, fellas, let's go.
00:01:36.000 It's for the good of the people.
00:01:38.000 We want to take care of the people.
00:01:40.000 It's been a long time.
00:01:41.000 It's been decades since this has happened.
00:01:43.000 We're going to take care of the people.
00:01:46.000 We're going to get things done.
00:01:47.000 We're going to reduce your taxes.
00:01:49.000 We're going to get the economy going.
00:01:51.000 And of course, military and all of the other things, they are going to happen.
00:01:55.000 But that's a whole new subject.
00:02:01.000 You're next president of the United States.
00:02:03.000 Military and all of the other things, they're going to happen.
00:02:07.000 Well then, you've answered all my questions, Donald Trump.
00:02:11.000 I feel so safe and secure in your stubby little fingers. 0.99
00:02:15.000 It's just so ridiculous. 0.99
00:02:17.000 This, this, this is what you're choosing people. 0.99
00:02:19.000 You make me weep for the country.
00:02:21.000 Okay, so Trump puts out videos like this, and as I tweeted yesterday, you have to have the IQ of a platypus to find this convincing and interesting.
00:02:29.000 I mean, if this is what you're looking for, again, I understand the whole anti-establishment, he'll break things apart, he'll change things.
00:02:35.000 Do you really think that Donald Trump is gonna change things with logic?
00:02:38.000 Like, we have to get everybody in a room together and say, fellas, let's do this for the good of the country.
00:02:43.000 Wow, I'm sure that's never occurred to anyone, ever, in the history of man, that when you negotiate with somebody, you have to get them in a room.
00:02:49.000 Wow.
00:02:49.000 I thought that they were gonna do it, like, across a park from each other with bullhorns.
00:02:53.000 And of course, what is he even ta- And when you have Russia and China, you have to treat them differently.
00:02:58.000 They're not the same.
00:02:59.000 Thank you, Captain Avioso.
00:03:02.000 Who knew?
00:03:02.000 Russia and China, not the same country, different priorities.
00:03:05.000 Wow, wow.
00:03:07.000 What a master negotiator he is.
00:03:09.000 The whole Donald Trump is a genius thing, I think, is just absurd.
00:03:12.000 He makes a big deal out of it.
00:03:13.000 He went to Wharton.
00:03:14.000 He went to University of Pennsylvania Business School at Wharton.
00:03:17.000 Yeah, because his daddy knew one of the admissions officers.
00:03:20.000 Okay?
00:03:20.000 Like, again, daddy was very helpful to Donald Trump.
00:03:24.000 He let people say that he was the number one graduate in that class.
00:03:27.000 But again, I don't want this to turn into a Trump bashing session because it'll do that naturally on its own.
00:03:31.000 We don't have to sort of force that sort of thing.
00:03:33.000 You know, it's one thing for- I will say this.
00:03:35.000 It is one thing for me to bash Donald Trump because I am consistently conservative.
00:03:39.000 I was not a fan of Mitt Romney.
00:03:41.000 I thought that Mitt Romney was not conservative enough.
00:03:43.000 I didn't think John McCain was conservative enough.
00:03:45.000 I stand with conservatism.
00:03:47.000 I stand with conservatism.
00:03:48.000 I don't stand with the party.
00:03:49.000 I don't stand with any of the candidates.
00:03:51.000 If Ted Cruz were to betray conservatism tomorrow, I would move off of Ted Cruz.
00:03:55.000 If Marco Rubio betrays conservative, I move off of Marco Rubio.
00:03:58.000 I care about the principal.
00:03:59.000 I don't care about the politician.
00:04:01.000 And by the way, Trump supporters, you should take note, because you should be this way about Trump.
00:04:05.000 Okay, there are good things about Trump, there are bad things about Trump.
00:04:07.000 Most of them, in my view, are bad, but none of them are conservative.
00:04:10.000 So you're allowed to criticize your own guy.
00:04:12.000 There's a sort of idolatry of Trump that's set in that's sort of upsetting.
00:04:16.000 Anyway, Mitt Romney decided that he was going to... Mitt Romney decided that he was going to jump into this.
00:04:22.000 I think he felt the necessity, just as a human being, to try and stop the Trump train as fast as he could.
00:04:28.000 So he did a speech at the University of Utah today, and it was typically Mitt Romney.
00:04:31.000 In other words, he was good on the substance, and stylistically, it was just a big... I mean, it was just nothing.
00:04:37.000 So here is Mitt Romney at the University of Utah today, trying to stop the Trump train.
00:04:43.000 If we make improvident choices,
00:04:45.000 The bright horizon I've described will not materialize.
00:04:50.000 And let me put it very plainly.
00:04:52.000 If we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.
00:05:00.000 If Donald Trump's plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into prolonged recession.
00:05:08.000 A few examples.
00:05:09.000 His proposed 35 percent tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war, and that would raise prices for consumers, kill our export jobs, and lead entrepreneurs and businesses of all stripes to flee America.
00:05:25.000 His tax plan, in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and to honestly address spending, would balloon the deficit and the national debt.
00:05:37.000 So even though Donald Trump has offered very few specific economic plans, what little he has said is enough to know that he would be very bad for American workers and for American families.
00:05:48.000 But you say, wait, wait, wait.
00:05:50.000 Isn't he a huge business success?
00:05:53.000 Doesn't he know what he's talking about?
00:05:55.000 No, he isn't.
00:05:57.000 And no, he doesn't.
00:06:07.000 Look, his bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them.
00:06:14.000 He inherited his business.
00:06:15.000 He didn't create it.
00:06:17.000 And whatever happened to Trump Airlines?
00:06:20.000 How about Trump University?
00:06:22.000 And then there's Trump Magazine, and Trump Vodka, and Trump Steaks, and Trump Mortgage.
00:06:29.000 A business genius he is not. 1.00
00:06:53.000 Mitt Romney, you magnificent bastard, you watched my video. 1.00
00:06:55.000 Okay, so, that's number one. 1.00
00:06:57.000 That's the first thing we learned.
00:06:58.000 The second thing is that this is going to have zero effect.
00:07:01.000 Zero effect on any of the Trump voters.
00:07:03.000 Because I saw a Venn diagram today.
00:07:05.000 You know, a Venn diagram, typically, it's like a circle crossing over with another circle, and the common area is where the crossover is, in terms of any idea.
00:07:12.000 So, here was the cartoon.
00:07:14.000 The cartoon was one circle, and it said people who care about Mitt Romney's opinion, and another circle, all the way over here, that said Trump voters.
00:07:20.000 And that's exactly right.
00:07:21.000 Nobody in the Trump circle cares about Mitt Romney's opinion, especially because juxtaposed, juxtaposed, I know it's a big word for some people, juxtaposed, okay, Mitt Romney's language with the language of Donald Trump.
00:07:33.000 So again, that Donald Trump video that we just watched a few minutes ago, the one where he was saying, we're gonna make great deals and you have to treat people differently.
00:07:40.000 Russia and China are actually different and distinct countries.
00:07:43.000 I didn't know if you knew that, but they're actually different countries.
00:07:46.000 And you gotta get people in a room.
00:07:47.000 A room is a place with four walls and a door.
00:07:50.000 Sometimes there's a window, sometimes there isn't.
00:07:52.000 You know, that's how Trump talks.
00:07:54.000 And then you got Romney.
00:07:55.000 And Romney listed in that two-paragraph segment, implemented, prolonged, tariff-like penalties, entrepreneurs,
00:08:04.000 Combination, entitlements, balloon the deficit, specific economic plans.
00:08:09.000 That's in two paragraphs.
00:08:10.000 You think anyone in Trumpland cares about that?
00:08:12.000 You think anyone in Trumpland cares about that?
00:08:15.000 And beyond that, Mitt Romney... Here's the thing about the establishment that's so irritating about the GOP establishment.
00:08:21.000 I watch this and I like Mitt Romney more.
00:08:22.000 And I agree with everything.
00:08:23.000 I mean, I watched I Like Trump more.
00:08:26.000 Everything that Mitt Romney's saying, I agree with.
00:08:27.000 Everything.
00:08:28.000 But he's the establishment, right?
00:08:30.000 He's the guy who created Obamacare.
00:08:33.000 Now here he is lecturing us on why it would be bad business to pick Donald Trump.
00:08:37.000 Okay, well, you're the guy who brought us here.
00:08:40.000 I don't know what the establishment is thinking.
00:08:42.000 I said this yesterday. 0.96
00:08:43.000 You're gonna bring forward Bob Dole and John McCain and Mitt Romney all to testify about how Donald Trump's a big loser? 0.87
00:08:48.000 They all lost.
00:08:49.000 And not only did they all lose, none of them were that conservative.
00:08:53.000 And you're gonna bring them forward as the spokespeople for conservatism?
00:08:57.000 And again, the way that Romney attacks is just so... The substance is great, and the style is so lacking in every way.
00:09:03.000 Here's Mitt Romney attacking Donald Trump on foreign policy.
00:09:07.000 Now, Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart.
00:09:13.000 I'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy, he is very, very not smart.
00:09:29.000 Now, I'm far from the first to conclude that Donald Trump lacks the temperament to be president.
00:09:34.000 After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter's questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.
00:09:54.000 Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin. 0.80
00:09:57.000 At the same time, he's called George W. Bush a liar. 0.71
00:10:01.000 That is a twisted example of evil trumping good. 0.99
00:10:15.000 There's a dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War.
00:10:22.000 While at the same time, John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.
00:10:29.000 Okay, we can stop it there.
00:10:30.000 So this is, again, nothing he's saying here is wrong, but it's typically Romney.
00:10:34.000 Right?
00:10:34.000 It's typically Romney.
00:10:35.000 He says, I'm afraid when it comes to foreign policy, he's very, very not smart.
00:10:38.000 Why not smart?
00:10:39.000 Why not just say, he says he's really, really smart? 1.00
00:10:41.000 He's a dumbass. 1.00
00:10:43.000 Right? 1.00
00:10:43.000 He's really stupid. 1.00
00:10:44.000 Donald Trump is a dumb guy. 1.00
00:10:45.000 Donald Trump is not a smart guy. 1.00
00:10:47.000 Right? 0.98
00:10:47.000 Speak in language that people are very, very not smart. 0.98
00:10:51.000 Okay, I understand you're being genteel, but you're launching an attack on a guy.
00:10:54.000 Launch the attack. 1.00
00:10:56.000 And when he says, Trump lacks the temperament to be president, all the Trump people go, screw you, man! 0.99
00:11:01.000 Temperament to be president? 0.99
00:11:02.000 We gotta win!
00:11:03.000 Who cares about temperament to be president?
00:11:04.000 He shouldn't have talked about temperament. 0.99
00:11:06.000 He should have said, Donald Trump is gross. 1.00
00:11:07.000 He's just gross! 0.99
00:11:09.000 Talking about Megyn Kelly's menstru- Talking about Megyn Kelly bleeding from her wherever. 0.94
00:11:12.000 He should have just quoted him directly.
00:11:14.000 It's worse.
00:11:15.000 If you're going to launch an attack, the lesson of today's program, if you're going to launch an attack on a politician, launch an attack.
00:11:22.000 I mean, linguistically, rhetorically, you need to use the kind of language people understand.
00:11:27.000 This is not about the elegance with which you knife fight.
00:11:30.000 This is about how deep the knife goes.
00:11:32.000 You're gonna plunge that knife in.
00:11:33.000 Plunge it. 0.98
00:11:34.000 Plunge it. 0.70
00:11:35.000 There's only one point at which Romney actually did that. 0.94
00:11:37.000 He calls Trump a phony.
00:11:38.000 This comes a little bit later in the speech.
00:11:41.000 Mr. Trump is directing our anger
00:11:44.000 for less-than-noble purposes. 0.94
00:11:46.000 He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. 0.95
00:11:50.000 He calls for the use of torture. 1.00
00:11:53.000 He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. 0.98
00:11:58.000 He cheers assaults on protesters.
00:12:01.000 He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press.
00:12:08.000 This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
00:12:15.000 Here's what I know. 0.99
00:12:17.000 Donald Trump is a phony. 1.00
00:12:18.000 A fraud. 1.00
00:12:19.000 His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
00:12:23.000 Okay.
00:12:26.000 So, number one.
00:12:28.000 Don't bury the lead.
00:12:29.000 Don't bury the lead.
00:12:30.000 Right?
00:12:30.000 First rule of writing, first rule of speaking, don't bury the lead.
00:12:34.000 So if your lead is he's a phony, say up front he's a phony.
00:12:37.000 Don't give me all the evidence of why he's a phony, then say he's a phony.
00:12:40.000 Say he's a phony, then give me all the evidence.
00:12:42.000 And again, this is all playing right into Trump's hands.
00:12:45.000 Because listen to the things he just noted.
00:12:47.000 He said he creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants.
00:12:50.000 All of Trump's people go, well, he's politically incorrect. 0.98
00:12:53.000 Of course he's talking about criminality of Mexican immigrants. 1.00
00:12:56.000 And of course he's talking about the risk of radical Islam. 0.97
00:12:59.000 Right?
00:12:59.000 It makes it sound like Romney is defending all Muslims and all Mexican immigrants.
00:13:03.000 He's not.
00:13:03.000 He's defending the law-abiding, which is fine.
00:13:05.000 But he should say that.
00:13:06.000 He should say he creates scapegoats of law-abiding American Muslims and Mexican immigrants.
00:13:11.000 That'd be one thing, but he doesn't do that.
00:13:13.000 He says he calls for the use of torture.
00:13:15.000 Most of Republicans are for torturing terrorists.
00:13:17.000 We don't care. 0.98
00:13:17.000 He says he calls for the killing of innocent children and family members of terrorists. 0.98
00:13:22.000 Okay, most of us are not really in favor of this. 0.99
00:13:24.000 We think this is kind of dumb policy, but if we have to do that to kill terrorists, then I guess we have to do that to kill terrorists. 0.99
00:13:29.000 I think that's how most conservatives feel. 0.99
00:13:32.000 He cheers assaults on protesters.
00:13:33.000 Again, I think that's bad stuff.
00:13:35.000 But Romney is just, he's making the case that the reason that Trump ought not be president is because he's not a milquetoast. 0.99
00:13:41.000 And so all of his supporters go, yeah, but you're a milquetoast and you lost and you're a loser. 0.97
00:13:46.000 Well, it's just, it's a waste. 1.00
00:13:47.000 It's a waste.
00:13:49.000 So now I want to talk a little bit about, so Rubio's thing is going to back, I mean, Romney's thing here is going to backfire.
00:13:53.000 It's not going to have any impact on the race.
00:13:55.000 If it does, it's actually going to help Trump.
00:13:58.000 And tonight with the debate coming, now instead of it being Cruz and Rubio on the attack, it's gonna be Trump attacking Romney and the other two being forced to defend Mitt Romney.
00:14:06.000 Romney's now the central issue, so it's actually really bad tactics in a whole variety of ways.
00:14:10.000 Especially since, gang, everybody now has the same op-o-file.
00:14:14.000 I know, I wrote it, and I put it out.
00:14:16.000 You're all reading my op-o-file.
00:14:17.000 Okay, good.
00:14:18.000 I'm glad.
00:14:19.000 But the spokespeople for the op-o-file should be people with real conservative bona fides.
00:14:24.000 And meanwhile, there's a debate that's now breaking out inside the Republican Party.
00:14:28.000 And it's one on which I am pretty torn.
00:14:31.000 One on which, I have to say, I'm not torn on a lot of issues.
00:14:33.000 Typically, you may have noticed.
00:14:34.000 But here's an issue on which I am seriously torn.
00:14:37.000 I'm leaning toward one side.
00:14:39.000 I'll tell you which one it is in a second.
00:14:40.000 And that is this debate over the Never Trump movement.
00:14:45.000 The group of people who say, we're never voting for Donald Trump.
00:14:48.000 No matter what, we will not vote for Donald Trump, even in a general election.
00:14:51.000 We're not going to vote for Donald Trump.
00:14:52.000 We're just not going to do it.
00:14:54.000 Right?
00:14:54.000 Okay, so there is a
00:14:57.000 There are a bunch of arguments in favor and a bunch of arguments against.
00:15:01.000 Let's start with some of the arguments in favor of Never Trump.
00:15:04.000 In favor of we're never going to vote for Trump.
00:15:07.000 So, one of the arguments in favor of we're never going to vote for Donald Trump is that we're going to lose with Trump.
00:15:12.000 We're just going to lose.
00:15:13.000 There's no way to win with this guy.
00:15:15.000 I think there is truth to this.
00:15:17.000 I think the media have not begun to open up their guns on Trump.
00:15:19.000 I think Trump is bringing in new voters, sure, but he's alienating a hell of a lot more voters than he's bringing in.
00:15:23.000 And it's because Trump says things like this, for example, clip 17, here's Donald Trump talking about, remember, we've talked about it all week, Donald Trump refusing to disown the KKK, and then disavowing them the next day, and all of this stuff, and then blaming his magically white hooded earpiece, and he didn't hear properly, and his earwax was a member of the KKK, so it whispered bad messages to him, and all the rest of it.
00:15:47.000 Donald Trump was on MSNBC this morning still trying to walk this back and here was Donald Trump ridiculously trying to walk this back.
00:15:53.000 Here we go.
00:15:54.000 David Duke is a bad person who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years.
00:16:01.000 And the one question that was asked to me, I guess on CNN, he's having a great time.
00:16:05.000 He talked about groups of people.
00:16:08.000 And I don't like to disavow groups if I don't know who they are.
00:16:11.000 I mean, you could have Federation of Jewish Philanthropies in groups.
00:16:14.000 I don't know who the groups are.
00:16:15.000 He's talking about disavow groups.
00:16:16.000 And that's what I was referring to.
00:16:18.000 But I disavowed him.
00:16:19.000 I disavowed him.
00:16:20.000 I disavowed the KKK.
00:16:23.000 I just did the Today Show and it was the same thing.
00:16:25.000 And I said, how many times do I have to disavow?
00:16:28.000 Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time?
00:16:29.000 Well, I want it on the record on this show.
00:16:31.000 Let me follow up and then I'll open it up to the table.
00:16:34.000 Just to put it clear, I disavowed him in the past, and I disavow him now.
00:16:38.000 And it was very clear that I disavowed, but the press doesn't want to go with it.
00:16:42.000 They just love the story.
00:16:45.000 And by the way, if you look at my Twitter, which took place just about the same time as that show, you'll see I disavowed right there too.
00:16:51.000 Okay, so in answer to his question, how many times do I have to disavow, the answer is all the times.
00:16:58.000 All of them.
00:16:58.000 There is no 99% solution here.
00:17:01.000 100% of the time, it's such an easy call.
00:17:03.000 You disavow the white supremacist.
00:17:05.000 Trump didn't do that.
00:17:06.000 I told you yesterday the reason I think Trump didn't do that.
00:17:09.000 Okay, so Trump has asked this and he says, well, I didn't know what groups Tapper was talking about.
00:17:12.000 Maybe he was talking about Jewish philanthropies.
00:17:14.000 Yes, I'm sure that Jake Tapper was talking about Jewish philanthropies.
00:17:18.000 I'm sure that Jake Tapper was talking about High Lifeline.
00:17:22.000 I'm sure that's what he was talking about.
00:17:23.000 He was talking about the Israel Defense Fund.
00:17:25.000 I'm positive that's what he was talking about. 1.00
00:17:27.000 What stupidity? 1.00
00:17:28.000 How dumb do you have to be to buy into that particular lie? 1.00
00:17:32.000 I had this argument online with a friend of mine, Patrick Coriolchi, this morning, and I really like Patrick a lot, but anybody who believes that Donald Trump didn't hear the questions did not watch that interview. 0.99
00:17:41.000 Because Donald Trump was repeating the questions back to Jake Tapper.
00:17:44.000 In any case, that's argument number one in favor of Never Trump.
00:17:47.000 You get behind this guy, he's going to lose.
00:17:49.000 And so regardless of whether I vote for him now or in a general, he's going to lose anyway.
00:17:53.000 That's argument number one.
00:17:54.000 I think there's truth to it.
00:17:55.000 I don't know that there's full truth to it.
00:17:56.000 As I've said before, I don't do the crystal ball gazing routine.
00:17:59.000 And so I'm not gonna say there's no chance Trump wins.
00:18:01.000 I'm gonna say I think it's unlikely that he wins.
00:18:04.000 Okay, argument number two in favor of Never Trump.
00:18:07.000 The second argument is we have to say no at some point.
00:18:12.000 Right?
00:18:12.000 We have to say no at some point.
00:18:13.000 Jonah Goldberg of National Review, he says,
00:18:25.000 And I think this is basically correct.
00:18:27.000 I think this is a good argument.
00:18:28.000 In other words, if the idea for the Republican Party is no matter who we nominate, you're going to have to vote for them because the alternative is always going to be worse.
00:18:36.000 It's always going to be Bernie Sanders or Hillary.
00:18:37.000 Then we really don't have a say in the nominee.
00:18:40.000 Right?
00:18:40.000 We don't.
00:18:40.000 We just have a say in whether we vote for the worst, the least of the two bad options.
00:18:45.000 Right?
00:18:45.000 That's how you end up with McCain and Romney and now Trump.
00:18:48.000 This is how you end up with George W. Bush and Bob Dole and H.W.
00:18:51.000 This is how you end up with all these people is because we're constantly being told, well, you may not like Mitt Romney, but do you really want a second term of Barack Obama?
00:18:59.000 And at a certain point, conservatives have to say no.
00:19:02.000 They have to say, no, we're not going to accept the lesser of two evils.
00:19:06.000 We're just not going to show up.
00:19:07.000 And if you want to lose with your people, you lose with your people. 0.94
00:19:09.000 But if you want to unify the party, you are going to have to do something for us.
00:19:13.000 This, to me, seems like a better argument.
00:19:16.000 Right?
00:19:16.000 That conservatives have to say no at some point.
00:19:18.000 And that conservatives saying no is a defense of conservatism.
00:19:21.000 There's an argument with which I agree.
00:19:22.000 I think this is a good argument, right?
00:19:24.000 You can't just keep saying to us, hold your nose and vote.
00:19:27.000 Because if I'm just gonna always hold my nose and vote, you can take my vote for granted.
00:19:30.000 If you can take my vote for granted, you never have to give me what I want, which is an actual conservative candidate.
00:19:35.000 And third argument, also a good argument, in favor of Never Trump.
00:19:38.000 Victory before conservatism perverts conservatism.
00:19:42.000 In other words, if all you care about is winning, if all you care about is winning, you're going to end up embracing a lot of things that sully the name of conservatism and destroy conservatism.
00:19:52.000 And here, I want to talk about Trump's argument.
00:19:54.000 Trump's counter-argument is, I'm gonna win.
00:19:56.000 I'm broadening conservatism.
00:19:58.000 I'm broadening the base of conservatism.
00:20:00.000 Here's Donald Trump this morning, suggesting that he's brought millions of people into the GOP.
00:20:05.000 Here we go.
00:20:06.000 And we're showing the chart right now on TV, completely reversed around.
00:20:10.000 And this year, it's now the Republicans that are up to 8 million people.
00:20:15.000 What is the difference?
00:20:16.000 What do you think you are doing?
00:20:18.000 What do you think you were saying that are bringing out
00:20:21.000 We're good to go.
00:20:41.000 It's really the big story.
00:20:42.000 Now, they focus on Romney, who's, you know, just trying to stay relevant.
00:20:46.000 But the biggest story out there, by the people that really understand it, is the fact that the Republican Party is gaining millions and millions of people.
00:20:55.000 And you saw that with South Carolina, you saw that with Nevada.
00:20:58.000 I went to Nevada, the polling booths, and I tell you what, you couldn't even get within, you couldn't get within 200 yards of the polling areas.
00:21:05.000 The places were packed.
00:21:07.000 And the people working there said, Mr. Trump, I've never seen anything like this, and I've been at these booths for years, and I've never seen anything like what's happening with the Republican Party.
00:21:15.000 So he's saying that he's broadening the party, making it bigger.
00:21:18.000 Millions of people are joining, and he's right.
00:21:19.000 He's right.
00:21:20.000 There are a lot of people who are joining the Republican Party who have never voted Republican before. 0.96
00:21:24.000 The problem is, as Grover Norquist was fond of saying with regard to tax policy, if you have a big tent, you're going to let in a lot of clowns.
00:21:31.000 And the fact is that if you have no defining principles, no centralizing principles, the center cannot hold, things spin apart, and you end up with this fragmented party that stands for nothing except for its own self-aggrandizement and power.
00:21:46.000 You allow Trump to define the party, this is what you're going to get.
00:21:49.000 Here's some video yesterday, and this is already going around, okay?
00:21:51.000 This is already going around.
00:21:52.000 Again, I've spent my entire career fighting against perceptions that the Republican Party and conservatism are racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, and Trump is making it very easy for the other side. 0.70
00:22:01.000 Very easy for the other side.
00:22:03.000 Voting for Trump, under any circumstances, makes it too easy for the other side to say conservatives don't really stand for anything, they just don't like Hillary Clinton, they just don't like
00:22:13.000 Their program, but they're willing to even in there.
00:22:15.000 They're even willing to go along with racism and bigotry in order to achieve their ends, which is not a group of people.
00:22:22.000 That's not something I want to go along with.
00:22:24.000 Here's here's what happened at the rally.
00:22:25.000 There are a bunch of rallyers who started assaulting.
00:22:28.000 There's black woman who came to protest and she came to protest and she came to make an issue and I've as you've seen in recent days dealt with protesters in the recent past.
00:22:36.000 The way you do this is you have security in the room and if someone protests you call security, right?
00:22:40.000 This is what people do.
00:22:41.000 Here's what actually happened at the Trump rally.
00:22:44.000 ...rallied today with several interruptions by anti-Trump protesters.
00:22:49.000 It was Governor Chris Christie who came out first and introduced Trump.
00:22:53.000 Trump spoke for about 30 or so minutes, and when a protester did interrupt him, Trump would yell, get them out of here, and many were escorted out by police.
00:23:03.000 Some protesters have signs that read, love Trump's hate.
00:23:07.000 And it went on like that, people kind of pushing this lady around. 1.00
00:23:12.000 All of this isn't Trump's fault, except that Donald Trump is the guy who said this about protesters.
00:23:29.000 But I will tell you that the man that was, I don't know, you say roughed up, he was so obnoxious and so loud, he was screaming.
00:23:38.000 I had 10,000 people in the room yesterday, 10,000 people, and this guy started screaming by himself.
00:23:44.000 And they, I don't know, rough up?
00:23:46.000 He should have been, maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.
00:23:51.000 This was not handled the way Bernie Sandals handled his problem, I will tell you.
00:23:56.000 But I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it.
00:23:59.000 And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a troublemaker who was looking to make trouble.
00:24:04.000 Maybe he should have been roughed up.
00:24:06.000 There it is.
00:24:06.000 Maybe he should have been roughed up.
00:24:07.000 And he said this in one of his speeches, too.
00:24:09.000 Clavin likes to play this clip of Trump where he's saying in his speech, you know, get that guy out of there.
00:24:13.000 Maybe he should be roughed up.
00:24:15.000 This kind of language, it has consequences.
00:24:17.000 And we will all be tarred with this particular brush.
00:24:20.000 Even if you don't like this.
00:24:21.000 You vote for Trump, you're now tarred with that particular brush for all of time.
00:24:25.000 I think?
00:24:49.000 To a degree, it is hurting, I think it hurt Trump, the attack ads in Northern Virginia.
00:24:55.000 I don't know if the KKK was in there, but these things are designed to hurt him.
00:24:59.000 My guess would be you might see some kind of closing in Florida, but again, you gotta wait for April 15th, or excuse me, March 15th, and I'll tell you.
00:25:08.000 Then, at that point, we're going to see whether Trump has a clear shot to the nomination and can't be stopped, or whether he's going to be short in terms of delegates.
00:25:16.000 Does he have to win Ohio and Florida on the 15th?
00:25:18.000 No, I don't think so.
00:25:20.000 I think if he wins one of the two, frankly, even if he loses them both, he's not done.
00:25:24.000 There's races between now and then.
00:25:26.000 But I will say this.
00:25:27.000 Look, the people in the Republican establishment, the enormous turnouts we're getting, I've never seen anything like this.
00:25:33.000 They should be ecstatic!
00:25:35.000 They should be happy!
00:25:36.000 If you can pull this party together, Sean, you can beat Hillary.
00:25:40.000 Her turnouts of her and Bernie are anemic despite the big turnouts for Bernie.
00:25:44.000 Isn't it amazing?
00:25:45.000 This thing is winnable.
00:25:46.000 They hate, but they hate the two top guys, the two most popular people that are winning in this process.
00:25:54.000 They hate them.
00:25:56.000 Well, they're going to have to get over that after March 15th, I'll tell you, or they will be responsible for blowing not only the opportunity to win, this, I think if you drive these Trump people off from the party who are coming in... They're gone.
00:26:10.000 The party is gone, and I don't know what shouldn't be.
00:26:12.000 Look, the establishment positions have been repudiated.
00:26:16.000 They're not coming back on trade or intervention or open borders or all the rest of it.
00:26:21.000 That is over.
00:26:21.000 Bush Republicanism is yesterday, and the establishment has got to wake up to it.
00:26:27.000 Otherwise, it's not going to have any future at all.
00:26:29.000 So, Papukannan, for those who don't know, Papukannan is an actual anti-Semite.
00:26:33.000 Papukannan was fired from MSNBC for anti-Semitism.
00:26:37.000 This is a guy who said specifically that the Jews want a war between Israel and Iran.
00:26:41.000 He said that Israel's position is a greater threat to the United States than Iranian nuclear weapons. 0.99
00:26:46.000 He has a publication called The American Conservative that is an isolationist garbage... 0.96
00:26:51.000 Publication, it features the writings of people like Taki Theorakopoulos, who calls himself a sui de sang anti-Semite. 0.98
00:26:58.000 He once characterized Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld as a very homely, simian-looking Jew who couldn't punch his way out of a nursery.
00:27:03.000 These are the kind of people who write for Pat Buchanan.
00:27:06.000 He's engaged in Holocaust denial.
00:27:08.000 He said that diesel exhaust couldn't have killed 850,000 Jews at Treblinka.
00:27:11.000 He's criticized the U.S.
00:27:12.000 government for its apology for sheltering the Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk.
00:27:17.000 Demianic, William F. Buckley wrote of Buchanan, I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism.
00:27:28.000 It was Pat Buchanan who urged Reagan, when he was communications director for the White House, to visit an SS cemetery at Bitburg in Germany, providing a great photo op for neo-Nazis everywhere.
00:27:38.000 And then he lectured any Jewish leader who objected, saying that they should be Americans first.
00:27:42.000 And he wrote over and over in his notebook, succumbing to the pressure of the Jews. 1.00
00:27:45.000 Okay, this is the guy, Pat Buchanan, the fact that he's been re-mainstreamed is incredible to me, but he's been re-mainstreamed.
00:27:51.000 And some of Trumpism is this, the isolationist, the anti-trade,
00:27:57.000 The tariff, the high tariffs, the anti-immigration, and there's a difference between anti-illegal immigration and anti-immigration.
00:28:04.000 I'm anti-illegal immigration. 0.99
00:28:05.000 I want a wall.
00:28:06.000 I want restrictions on the number of people who are coming in and where they come from. 1.00
00:28:10.000 If you don't believe me, go watch an interview I did with Ann Coulter about her latest book on YouTube.
00:28:14.000 It's an hour long and we talk about all of these issues.
00:28:16.000 Our one area of disagreement is on H-1B visas, right?
00:28:19.000 On high-tech visas.
00:28:21.000 Okay, but Pat Buchanan is an emissary of an ideology that is not conservatism.
00:28:25.000 It is not Reagan conservatism.
00:28:27.000 It's what they call paleo-conservatism.
00:28:28.000 It's kind of an old-school, crypto-racist conservatism.
00:28:32.000 Pat Buchanan's a bad guy, okay?
00:28:35.000 And the people who he's suggesting the Republican Party has to cater to, these are not people who are going to help conservatism or make it better.
00:28:42.000 Now listen, every time I do a podcast or a column on one of these things, I know there are people who oppose this, who disagree.
00:28:48.000 That's fine.
00:28:49.000 You want to disagree, you can disagree.
00:28:50.000 But, conservatism has to have a definition.
00:28:53.000 Define your conservatism.
00:28:55.000 And one side or the other here is going to win.
00:28:57.000 The implication here seems to be, and it's troubling, the implication here seems to be that either the voters who stayed home for Mitt Romney and John McCain come out and they get what they want, an isolationist, anti-free trade,
00:29:10.000 Anti-immigrant party.
00:29:12.000 Or they stay home and they take their ball and they go home.
00:29:15.000 Those are the two choices.
00:29:17.000 Well, if that's my choice, that we have to sacrifice conservatism to these people, then take your ball and go home, gang.
00:29:24.000 Take your ball and go home.
00:29:25.000 Because I'm not willing to sacrifice conservatism on the altar of beating Hillary Clinton for a guy like Donald Trump, who, by the way, is going to be a terrible president.
00:29:32.000 Donald Trump will be a very, very bad president.
00:29:35.000 And he may be better than Hillary Clinton, but George W. Bush was better than Al Gore, and without George W. Bush, there's no Barack Obama.
00:29:41.000 What happens after Trump becomes Republicanism?
00:29:44.000 What happens after Trump becomes Conservatism?
00:29:46.000 What happens after Conservatism looks like Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump?
00:29:51.000 What do you think the reaction from the left is gonna be?
00:29:53.000 They're already moving to the left.
00:29:55.000 How fast do you think it's gonna go bad?
00:29:56.000 Not just for the left, but for the mainstream of the country that begins to oppose all of this.
00:30:02.000 Okay, and he's just making it easy.
00:30:04.000 He's making it easy for the left.
00:30:05.000 He's making it easy for them.
00:30:06.000 Joanne Reed, who I think is despicable. 0.92
00:30:08.000 She's on MSNBC. 0.92
00:30:09.000 Here's what she said about Donald Trump dog-whistling to racists.
00:30:13.000 There's also the physical interaction, really scary and menacing, in which protesters are manhandled and thrown out of the door.
00:30:19.000 And he encourages that from the dais.
00:30:21.000 He encourages that.
00:30:22.000 From the podium.
00:30:23.000 Which George Wallace did. 0.95
00:30:24.000 George Wallace essentially said if a protester lies down in front of one of our vehicles it'll be the last vehicle that they run, that they lay down in front of, and encourage the crowd from the dais to throw out black protesters. 0.56
00:30:35.000 And that is why it is so throwback. 0.99
00:30:36.000 Well, Donald Trump, you know, he may not be as brilliant as he claims he is, but he's not stupid, right? 0.97
00:30:40.000 He understands who he is attracting. 0.92
00:30:42.000 He's going to now be competing in Louisiana, which you talked about gave David Duke nearly 60% of the white vote.
00:30:48.000 You know, Barack Obama got
00:30:50.000 14% of the white vote in 2008.
00:30:52.000 It was the third worst performance among white voters.
00:30:55.000 The only worst ones were Mississippi and Alabama. 0.90
00:30:58.000 So this Friday, when Marco Rubio was supposed to be in Baton Rouge, they've canceled their event.
00:31:03.000 Donald Trump will be there in Louisiana competing for what he knows it is.
00:31:07.000 If you look at that map of the old slave states of the Union, that was the Democratic Party's old South stronghold.
00:31:15.000 This is the point.
00:31:16.000 This is not what conservatism is.
00:31:17.000 This is not what Republicans are.
00:31:19.000 I don't believe that the vast majority of conservatives are David Duke fans.
00:31:22.000 I don't believe the vast majority of white people in the South are David Duke fans or KKK fans.
00:31:26.000 Donald Trump is making the case easy.
00:31:28.000 He's making the case easy for the left.
00:31:31.000 And in the process, he's making it hard for the rest of us conservatives who actually believe in things he doesn't believe in, like small government and individual liberty and a constitution with checks and balances.
00:31:41.000 It's just, it's really quite devastating.
00:31:44.000 Ben Sasse, who's become, I think, one of the moral leaders of the Republican Party, Senator from Nebraska, here's what he had to say about Donald Trump if Donald Trump becomes the nominee.
00:31:53.000 I want to celebrate what's great about America in the Republican Party.
00:31:57.000 But if the Republican Party becomes the party of David Duke, Donald Trump, I'm out.
00:32:02.000 And I think lots and lots and lots of people are out.
00:32:05.000 And so ultimately, there will be more choices than these two if Trump is the nominee.
00:32:11.000 And you hope there are more choices than these two if Donald Trump is the nominee.
00:32:16.000 Okay, on to some of the other candidates.
00:32:17.000 Marco Rubio is having a real rough time.
00:32:19.000 He's canceled a couple of rallies.
00:32:21.000 There's apparently some rumblings that he is getting pressure to drop out before Florida.
00:32:26.000 Because if he sticks around until Florida and loses, his political career is basically over.
00:32:30.000 He already said he's not running for Senate again.
00:32:32.000 His only possibility, if he loses this race, is to run for governor.
00:32:35.000 If he loses a statewide election to Donald Trump, the chances of him running for governor and winning are extraordinarily low.
00:32:40.000 So there's been some pressure to do that.
00:32:42.000 Meanwhile, Rubio is, for some odd reason, his people are starting a fight with Sean Hannity.
00:32:46.000 Now, listen, I'm friendly with Sean.
00:32:48.000 I like Sean a lot.
00:32:49.000 I think Sean's a good guy.
00:32:50.000 Sean has been very, very friendly to Donald Trump.
00:32:53.000 And the Rubio people slammed Sean Hannity personally, and yesterday Hannity fired back on Rubio.
00:32:57.000 Here's what it looked like.
00:32:59.000 I saw Rubio's attacks turning into a suicide mission, and could it actually ruin his career and destroy and hurt the Republican Party?
00:33:06.000 Here to answer that question, author of the book The Greatest Comeback, the original insurgent himself, Patrick J. Buchanan.
00:33:12.000 Sir, how are you?
00:33:13.000 I'm fine, Sean.
00:33:14.000 So I watched Marco in two interviews last night, and I want to be very clear here.
00:33:18.000 For the record, I've always liked him.
00:33:20.000 It's very hard not to like Marco Rubio.
00:33:23.000 I get the sense that he couldn't get out the word con artist, fraud, supporting the KK, hiring illegal immigrants, Trump University, over and over and over, enough.
00:33:35.000 Probably a preview of tomorrow's debate.
00:33:37.000 Here's my question.
00:33:38.000 Do you agree with me that probably this is not the Marco we've known, and B, that he's probably being influenced, and he's the hired gun now, to take out the insurgency?
00:33:50.000 Okay, we can stop it there.
00:33:51.000 He's the hired gun to take out the insurgency.
00:33:52.000 No, he's not.
00:33:54.000 No, he's not.
00:33:56.000 The hired gun, that was Jeb, okay?
00:33:57.000 Jeb was the hired gun to take out the insurgency.
00:33:59.000 By the way, Donald Trump is the hired gun, but he's not being hired.
00:34:03.000 The establishment is basically okay with Donald Trump.
00:34:05.000 That's why Rupert Murdoch came out yesterday.
00:34:07.000 Doesn't get more establishment than Rupert Murdoch.
00:34:09.000 He came out yesterday, and he said the party, if Trump is the nominee, ought to unify behind Donald Trump.
00:34:15.000 Donald Trump is the one who's taking the heart out of conservatism, hijacking it, and using it for his own purposes.
00:34:20.000 Marco Rubio, though, his campaign is fading.
00:34:23.000 Here is Marco Rubio now explaining that he doesn't have to even win the most delegates in order to win the nomination.
00:34:28.000 So he went from, I don't have to win states, to I don't have to win delegates.
00:34:32.000 Here's Marco Rubio explaining that last night.
00:34:35.000 Is there anything wrong with a convention, in theory, this is not a process question, it's a very important political science question, anything wrong with a convention nominating someone other than the delegate leader if that delegate leader, when they arrive at the convention, does have the most number?
00:34:50.000 In other words, is there anything wrong if Donald Trump has 1,100 delegates, and that's the most, with him not being the nominee?
00:34:58.000 You know, that's why the rules are written the way they are.
00:35:00.000 And, you know, I still think there's a chance it may not come to that, that there could be something between now and then, that even if someone doesn't have a delegate lead, if someone's clearly in the lead, you can work through that.
00:35:10.000 It's so premature right now to even discuss that.
00:35:12.000 There's so much to go.
00:35:13.000 I know Super Tuesday's a big deal, because a lot of delegates were awarded.
00:35:17.000 But I want to remind everybody, they're awarded proportionally.
00:35:19.000 Look at Virginia. 0.99
00:35:20.000 We came in second place, but we got one less delegate than he did.
00:35:24.000 We even got four delegates out of Texas.
00:35:27.000 Okay, this is weak stuff, and it's not gonna fly.
00:35:30.000 Which is why even some of the members of the establishment now are saying that Ted Cruz is the guy.
00:35:33.000 They're coming back around to the idea that only Cruz can beat Trump, not only because Cruz has beaten Trump more often than Rubio, but because if Rubio loses Florida, it's over for Rubio, and they know it.
00:35:43.000 So if he tosses his support to Cruz, then he's not expected to win Florida, but Cruz will actually start to consolidate.
00:35:49.000 A lot of the support and you'll finally have this two-man race you've wanted for so long.
00:35:53.000 Lindsey Graham, who despises Ted Cruz, senator from South Carolina, even he came around yesterday and he said, yeah, it's possible we may have to go with Cruz to stop Trump.
00:36:01.000 So there is no way you seem to be suggesting at the convention or before the convention to stop Donald Trump from being the nominee?
00:36:09.000 Short of a major scandal, probably not.
00:36:11.000 If Marco doesn't win Florida, I don't know how he goes forward.
00:36:14.000 If Kasich loses Ohio,
00:36:16.000 You know, Ted Cruz is not my favorite by any means, and I don't wish him ill.
00:36:20.000 I was making a joke about Ted.
00:36:22.000 But we may be in a position where I have to rally around Ted Cruz as the only way to stop Donald Trump, and I'm not so sure that would work.
00:36:28.000 But you'd recommend that in order to stop Donald Trump rallying behind Ted Cruz?
00:36:32.000 I can't believe I would say yes, but yes.
00:36:36.000 Okay, so he obviously doesn't want to do it, but even he's beginning to admit it.
00:36:40.000 Okay, time for some things I like, some things I hate, and then a couple of letters from the mailbag, even though we're running a little bit long here, but there's so much to talk about, obviously.
00:36:47.000 By the way, here's your very brief preview for tonight's debate.
00:36:51.000 It's going to be an all-out attack on Trump.
00:36:53.000 Trump is going to fight back.
00:36:54.000 Please, somebody at Fox, please lower his microphone if he just starts shouting over people.
00:36:59.000 It's not appropriate.
00:37:01.000 Okay.
00:37:01.000 Things I like.
00:37:02.000 So, I've mentioned Stephen Sondheim in the past.
00:37:04.000 I've mentioned how much I like Sweeney Todd.
00:37:05.000 There's one particular number from Sweeney Todd.
00:37:07.000 I hope this is the right one.
00:37:08.000 Um, the quartet number from Sweeney Todd that is just spectacular.
00:37:12.000 For people who have never listened to Sweeney Todd, don't bother with the movie.
00:37:15.000 It's awful.
00:37:16.000 Instead, go pick up the original cast recording with Len Carew and Angela Lansbury.
00:37:20.000 It's really terrific.
00:37:21.000 We'll listen to a little bit of that here.
00:37:43.000 I feel you, Joanna.
00:37:51.000 I feel you.
00:37:55.000 Do they think that walls can hide you?
00:37:59.000 Even now I'm at your window.
00:38:03.000 I am in the dark beside you.
00:38:07.000 Very sweetly in your yellow hair.
00:38:16.000 Okay, so we can stop it there.
00:38:18.000 This actually is, believe it or not, this is not the right number.
00:38:21.000 There's another number.
00:38:21.000 It's my fault because I sent the wrong number.
00:38:23.000 But there's another number that's even better.
00:38:25.000 It's a really phenomenal number.
00:38:27.000 It comes in the second act.
00:38:29.000 It's such good stuff.
00:38:30.000 You just listen to the whole cast recording.
00:38:32.000 The orchestration by Jonathan Tunick is spectacular.
00:38:35.000 This is Stephen Sondheim at his best.
00:38:37.000 This was his apex, then he started the slide, and now he makes stuff that nobody wants to possibly watch or listen to.
00:38:42.000 But this is really quite brilliant stuff.
00:38:44.000 Okay.
00:38:44.000 A couple of things that I, oh, one more thing that I like, one more thing.
00:38:47.000 This one is a remix, thanks to Lindsey.
00:38:50.000 So people who enjoyed the spectacle of Chris Christie and his face yesterday standing behind Donald Trump, Lindsey had this idea.
00:38:59.000 She thought she'd seen it somewhere before, but it turns out it was just in her imagination, in her fervent imagination.
00:39:05.000 So here is Lindsey's remix of Chris Christie's face at the Donald Trump rally after he won the other night.
00:39:22.000 Only for a moment, and the moment's gone.
00:39:26.000 All my dreams pass before my eyes, a curiosity.
00:39:38.000 Dust in the wind.
00:39:44.000 It's really good, and it's well choreographed here, so we'll pause it there.
00:39:49.000 If you want to watch the whole thing, you can go to my YouTube account, Lindsey's Setup, and we put it up there.
00:39:53.000 It's got several thousand hits.
00:39:55.000 It's really funny.
00:39:56.000 The whole thing is just amazing, this kind of blank stare from Chris.
00:40:00.000 This is the moment at which Chris you realize that life is meaningless, and then you die.
00:40:05.000 This actually happened right now in this moment.
00:40:08.000 He realized that it's all over, gang.
00:40:11.000 All the revelations of Sartre finally hit him at once, and it was the conclusion of The Stranger.
00:40:17.000 Okay, things that I hate.
00:40:19.000 So Colin Cowherd, who I've ripped before on the program, Colin Cowherd has done it again.
00:40:25.000 This time, he's a real lefty, Colin Cowherd, and he likes to pretend he's a sports host.
00:40:29.000 He likes to pretend that he plays it down the middle.
00:40:31.000 He doesn't.
00:40:31.000 He's a very, very strong political leftist.
00:40:34.000 And he's ripping on Tim Tebow again.
00:40:36.000 Tim Tebow should have a job in the NFL.
00:40:38.000 He should at least be a backup quarterback somewhere.
00:40:40.000 There are enough bad teams that you would assume one of them would pick him up just because people would watch the games with Tebow in them.
00:40:46.000 But Colin Cowherd rips the Tebow fans.
00:40:48.000 He says because Tebow fans tend to be religious, that's why he's not able to get a job. 1.00
00:40:52.000 Here's Colin Cowherd.
00:40:54.000 I've said this.
00:40:55.000 From his work ethic, to his humanity, to his kind of spree decor,
00:41:01.000 I'd put him on my roster, but I would tell him, you're not, you're never going to be my starting quarterback.
00:41:05.000 I have no interest at all building my team around you.
00:41:08.000 But I like you in my locker room.
00:41:09.000 So what, why would Bill Belichick cut him?
00:41:11.000 I feel like once that happened, I was like, okay, he's not going to make it.
00:41:14.000 I think with Tebow, his fans ended up hurting him.
00:41:19.000 Tim Tebow's fans, what's that book in Mice and Men, Lenny squeezes the dog to death?
00:41:26.000 I think Tebow's fans hurt Tebow more than Tebow.
00:41:30.000 Nobody wants Tebow to run because of his faith-based, crazy fans that take over the stadium. 1.00
00:41:35.000 And that's why Denver had to go out and get Peyton Manning, because Tebow Mania took over Denver. 0.98
00:41:39.000 Tim's a good enough athlete to be on every roster in this league.
00:41:42.000 Absolutely.
00:41:43.000 Okay, let me stop you right there.
00:41:45.000 So, can you, like, just think about that for one second.
00:41:47.000 Just think about that.
00:41:48.000 This shows the bias in sports.
00:41:49.000 And it really is. 0.54
00:41:50.000 There's a bias in the sports media and in the sporting world, and it's gross.
00:41:53.000 Listen to what he just said. 0.93
00:41:54.000 He said, it's Tim Tebow's crazy religious fans who take over stadiums. 0.98
00:41:59.000 I thought the purpose was to sell tickets.
00:42:01.000 I thought you weren't supposed to care who you sold the tickets to.
00:42:05.000 So if the answer is that the crazy fans were taking over Denver Stadium and rooting for your team because of your quarterback, I thought that would be a good thing.
00:42:13.000 But his implication is if they like Jesus, and they like a guy who's clear about his faith in Christ, that that's something that has to be stomped out right now.
00:42:20.000 We need to go out, we need to get another quarterback, we can't deal with this.
00:42:23.000 We can't have somebody who's bringing all these Jesus folks to the stadium. 1.00
00:42:26.000 You want to talk about discrimination?
00:42:28.000 That's discrimination right there.
00:42:29.000 Because it turns out religious people, our money is just as good as anybody else's money. 0.98
00:42:34.000 These are the same people who would use government to force religious people to cater to gay weddings, but they want to say that religious people basically shouldn't have any input into the people
00:42:43.000 Okay.
00:42:47.000 So, our mailbag was unbelievably full this week.
00:42:54.000 We'll only have time for a couple.
00:42:55.000 Again, I apologize, folks.
00:42:57.000 If I don't get back to you directly, Lindsey will.
00:42:59.000 I can't answer... I really feel bad about this because I like answering emails, but we literally, in the last, like, three days, we got over a thousand emails, so it makes it impossible for... I would...
00:43:09.000 I would have to stay up all night and quit my jobs to do this.
00:43:11.000 So instead, I've made this podcast for you.
00:43:14.000 So instead, we'll answer some of your questions right now.
00:43:17.000 My answer...
00:43:27.000 No.
00:43:28.000 I don't think that Obama is going to pardon Hillary.
00:43:30.000 I don't think he'll waste his political capital on her.
00:43:32.000 I also don't think she'll be indicted.
00:43:33.000 I think that Obama will exercise whatever influence he can to prevent that, now that she's the clear nominee.
00:43:38.000 Levi writes,
00:43:50.000 Well, the reality is the people who tend to go into journalism are people who are idealistic about how the world should work, and they feel like they're crusading for fairness, and then they tend to hire people who are just like them and surround themselves with those people.
00:44:02.000 And the difference between the right and the left is, listen, I run a media company, right?
00:44:08.000 And the people who work for me are conservative.
00:44:10.000 I believe universally conservative.
00:44:12.000 That's because they reflect the worldview in which I believe.
00:44:14.000 The difference is, I'm open about the fact that I'm conservative.
00:44:16.000 The folks in the media, I wouldn't, I don't, you don't see me criticizing Salon for being left. 1.00
00:44:22.000 Excuse me, I criticize Salon for being stupid. 0.99
00:44:24.000 I don't criticize them for being left. 1.00
00:44:26.000 I criticize the New York Times for being left because they pretend that they're not.
00:44:29.000 That's when we talk about bias.
00:44:31.000 Bias exists everywhere. 1.00
00:44:32.000 The problem is not informing people of your bias beforehand.
00:44:36.000 Oliver writes, I've got a son around the same age as your daughter.
00:44:39.000 He was born January 2014.
00:44:39.000 What toddler appropriate television shows do you allow her to watch in moderation, of course?
00:44:45.000 I don't really allow her to watch TV.
00:44:47.000 TV is bad for her brain, and she's too smart.
00:44:49.000 But if she is watching things, it's usually short videos online.
00:44:55.000 She likes Pocoyo. 0.90
00:44:58.000 She does like Thomas the Train Engine.
00:45:00.000 She's a big Thomas the Train Engine fan, but mostly because she likes the books and because she likes trains.
00:45:05.000 But mostly, she's really into books.
00:45:06.000 She loves books.
00:45:07.000 She woke up at 5 o'clock this morning.
00:45:09.000 As is her want.
00:45:10.000 She woke up at 5 o'clock this morning, and we have one of those baby monitors in her room, and we hear... She doesn't just cry for us.
00:45:17.000 She gets up and she goes, And so my wife had to go in at 5 o'clock in the morning and read to her. 1.00
00:45:27.000 Sometimes it's me.
00:45:28.000 I'm not a sexist.
00:45:29.000 Sometimes it's me, but tonight it was her, that night, because I have to be up at 5.30 to do my other radio show.
00:45:42.000 Yes, yes there are.
00:45:42.000 Go pick up my book, Primetime Propaganda, if you want a full listing of those sorts of shows.
00:45:47.000 You have to watch out for pretty much anything on the Disney Channel, which has moved significantly to the left.
00:45:51.000 ABC Family is not ABC Family. 0.98
00:45:53.000 It's a garbage heap.
00:45:55.000 And as far as some of the older shows, Sesame Street isn't bad, but it's not great either if you're gonna pick, take old episodes of Mr. Rogers over Sesame Street any day. 0.70
00:46:04.000 Okay, John writes, my family leans left and often spouts statistics that 97% of scientists believe in climate change.
00:46:10.000 The only basic argument I have heard from conservatives is that there is no evidence for climate change or that it is too limited.
00:46:16.000 If the argument is we are not 100% sure climate change is happening, wouldn't it still be prudent to err on the side of caution and take necessary steps just in case?
00:46:23.000 Can you give a more detailed defense of your position?
00:46:25.000 Okay, so there's a great article at Daily Wire, you can search for it.
00:46:28.000 It was written by a climate scientist debunking all of the various myths about climate change.
00:46:33.000 Here's the short answer to your question.
00:46:34.000 Number one, 97% of scientists do not agree with certainty that the world is going to warm to the point where it's actually dangerous.
00:46:41.000 Plus, 97% of scientists includes people who have nothing to do with climate.
00:46:45.000 I mean, you ask my wife, she's a scientist, she's a doctor. 0.89
00:46:47.000 Does she know anything about climatology?
00:46:49.000 No, she doesn't know anything.
00:46:50.000 She's a family physician.
00:46:52.000 Okay, so scientists are not all in the same field.
00:46:55.000 Number two, there's one thing we agree on.
00:46:57.000 There's something called the greenhouse effect.
00:46:58.000 That exists, okay?
00:46:59.000 If you put carbon into the atmosphere, it warms the Earth.
00:47:02.000 No question.
00:47:03.000 The question is, how much does it warm the Earth?
00:47:05.000 Does the Earth have patterns that cool it?
00:47:08.000 Meaning they've been saying now that the oceans might be absorbing some of the emissions, so that's preventing all of this from happening.
00:47:15.000 How much does it matter?
00:47:16.000 How much of this is due to natural weather patterns?
00:47:21.000 What level is certainly attributable to human behavior?
00:47:25.000 And most of all, even if you wanted to reverse this, what would it take?
00:47:28.000 The problem is that when you say, wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution, well, when you're talking about doing away with fossil fuels, which power pretty much everything, when you're talking about going back to 1850 standards of living, complete with 1850 lengths of life and all the rest of it, no, I'm not willing to bet on that, especially when
00:47:47.000 You know, everybody talks about the end.
00:47:48.000 It's not the end of the world, okay?
00:47:49.000 If cities have to move, cities have to move.
00:47:51.000 I mean, the fact is that Venice has been obviously sinking for the last couple of hundred years.
00:47:56.000 More than that, a couple of thousand years.
00:47:58.000 So, you know, that happens.
00:48:01.000 I'm not willing to sacrifice the well-being of all of Western civilization on the 50-50 bet that the waters are going to rise afoot.
00:48:10.000 I'm just not willing to do that.
00:48:12.000 Pat writes, with the Trump nomination possibly looming over us, what will this do to the future of American presidential elections?
00:48:18.000 In 2020 and 2024, will we see any successful person in the business or entertainment industry?
00:48:23.000 Give it a go.
00:48:24.000 I would be surprised if not.
00:48:26.000 He's opened the door to everybody, and so did Ben Carson.
00:48:28.000 The door is open.
00:48:29.000 People are going to jump through that door now that the door is open.
00:48:32.000 Okay, this is the last one.
00:48:34.000 I promise.
00:48:35.000 Mathis, I promise.
00:48:36.000 Albert writes,
00:48:37.000 I was wondering if you have any advice for me.
00:48:39.000 Besides writing your student newspaper, how did you become a nationally syndicated columnist?
00:48:44.000 I would like to write for newspapers.
00:48:45.000 Is it worthwhile to write a book?
00:48:46.000 Okay, so the way that I became a nationally syndicated columnist is I applied.
00:48:49.000 Cold.
00:48:50.000 That's it.
00:48:51.000 I wrote for the student newspaper, and then I took some of my columns, I sent them to Creators Syndicate, and they didn't know how old I was, and they read them, and they liked them, and then my parents had to sign the contract, because I was 17.
00:49:01.000 And it's not illegal to sign contracts if you're under 17, if you're under 18 in California.
00:49:06.000 So, that's how, and then I parlayed that into a book.
00:49:09.000 Bottom line is, you have to start writing for free.
00:49:10.000 Just find an outlet, start writing for free, you'll start building up a following, you'll start building up a followership, and then you can go to people and you can say, look, I'm gonna bring you something material if you print my column.
00:49:20.000 And if you start to give me an outlet for my writing.
00:49:24.000 Okay, folks, tonight is the next big debate.
00:49:27.000 I will be live blogging it over at Daily Wire.
00:49:29.000 Make sure that you check it out.
00:49:31.000 And again, as I said yesterday, we're now in a fight for the future of the conservative movement.
00:49:35.000 It ain't just about Trump anymore.
00:49:37.000 Whether it's Trump or whether it's not Trump, conservatism, the fight for the ideology, does not waver and it does not die.
00:49:43.000 We're still going to have to fight this battle.
00:49:45.000 If Trump's the nominee,
00:49:46.000 Then the battle is against Trump and Hillary.
00:49:48.000 If Trump is not the nominee, then perhaps we have somebody who's more conservative that we can feel a little bit better about.
00:49:53.000 But the battle never ends.
00:49:55.000 We have to hold people's feet to the fire.
00:49:56.000 Your loyalty should be to a good philosophy, not to any man.
00:50:00.000 Do not place your faith in princes.
00:50:03.000 Place your faith in the Almighty and the principles that he espouses.
00:50:06.000 And those principles do indeed include the founding principles of the United States.
00:50:10.000 We'll see you next week.
00:50:10.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:50:11.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.