The Ben Shapiro Show - March 16, 2016


Ep. 90 - Is Trump The End of America, Or Just The Beginning?


Episode Stats

Length

49 minutes

Words per Minute

194.33167

Word Count

9,668

Sentence Count

713

Misogynist Sentences

28

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

A requiem for Marco Rubio, who helped Donald Trump become the Republican presidential nominee. And a tribute to Hillsdale College, where the Constitution is dead, but they re going to make it come back. Plus, Hillsdale is going to revivify the Constitution and make sure everyone knows about the Constitution. Ben Shapiro's full show is out now, and you can watch it on your computer, or you can listen on your phone, so you don't miss it! It's free, and it's awesome! If the country does have a future, it's going to be because of graduates from places like Hillsdale, so go visit Hillsdale and get the free course called Constitution 101, where you'll gain a lot of knowledge about The Constitution. It's a great way to learn about the basic outline of the Constitution, the ins and outs of the system, and everything there is to know about The United States Constitution, so why not take advantage of it? Plus, a shout out to the people who helped elect Donald Trump the Republican nominee, John Kasich, and all the other Republicans who stayed in the race long enough to help him win Ohio and get a shot at the nomination, including Jeb Bush and John Kasich! Ben's old friend Jeremy Boring, who was a good friend of mine, who's now running against Ted Cruz and is running for vice presidential candidate, and will be the next VP candidate! And a shoutout to the HILLdale College! Thanks, Ben! - The Constitution 101 course at Hillsdale! and the Constitution 101 at the College of Hillsdale - a great course at the University of Dayton, which is a must-listen to learn the Constitution at the best of all things Constitution 101. - Ben's been to the best in the land of Constitution 101! -- and a great place to get the most out of your rights and your knowledge about the U.S. Constitution and your rights, right here in the process of learning about the United States. . Thank you, Ben Shapiro. -- THE CONSERVATORY CRY for the Constitution? -- CHECK OUT THE COURSE for a chance to get your own copy of The Constitution and learn about The U. and a free Constitution 101 and other stuff like that for your chance to become a student of The U of A.C. -- and much more! ...


Transcript

00:00:00.000 A requiem for Marco Rubio.
00:00:02.000 Marco Rubio last night, he's out, he dropped out, and it's really sad.
00:00:05.000 But what's sadder is that Marco Rubio basically got Donald Trump elected the nominee.
00:00:11.000 He got him elected the nominee.
00:00:12.000 This is what makes me sad.
00:00:13.000 Marco Rubio, the man you see here, a good, honorable man who didn't deserve to lose to a very bad, dishonorable man in Donald Trump.
00:00:19.000 He was the margin of error in Illinois last night, where Cruz lost by 8%.
00:00:22.000 He sucked away 6% in Missouri, where Cruz barely lost.
00:00:27.000 Rubio took 8% in North Carolina, where Cruz lost by 3%, which means that Marco Rubio helped make Donald Trump the nominee.
00:00:34.000 So Donald Trump should have said thank you to Marco Rubio.
00:00:36.000 You know who else he should have said thank you to was Chris Christie.
00:00:39.000 Chris Christie, of course, stayed in just long enough to murder Rubio in New Hampshire.
00:00:44.000 Blunting his momentum and ensuring that Donald Trump won New Hampshire by big numbers and had all the momentum going into South Carolina.
00:00:49.000 So Donald Trump should say thank you to Chris Christie, a man who instead he treats as his personal butler.
00:00:56.000 He should also say thank you to, for example, Jeb Bush.
00:00:59.000 Jeb, who stayed in far too long and ensured that money and time that could have been spent pushing for Rubio or Cruz or someone who was not a milquetoast loser, all of that drained away to Jeb instead.
00:01:11.000 And both he and his good friend Ben Carson ensured that Donald Trump became the nominee by ensuring that Trump won South Carolina.
00:01:19.000 They combined for 15% in South Carolina, far more than the margin of loss for both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.
00:01:25.000 Carson was also the margin of victory for Donald Trump in Arkansas.
00:01:29.000 And now we have to say one more thank you, and that is to our old friend,
00:01:34.000 John Kasich.
00:01:35.000 John Kasich, he stayed in enough to win Ohio, and now he's going to stay in just long enough to suck up votes to stop Ted Cruz and become Donald Trump's vice presidential candidate.
00:01:44.000 So thank you to all of you Republicans who let your egos trump the interests of the United States.
00:01:50.000 Donald Trump thanks you, and he will be sending you a Trump stick.
00:01:54.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:01:55.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:02:03.000 Okay, folks, so yesterday at the end of the show, I promised, I promised that if we had a choice, I said we had a choice in the country.
00:02:11.000 Either somebody was going to stop Donald Trump, or I was going to stick my hand in the garbage disposal.
00:02:17.000 And it went poorly.
00:02:19.000 It just went poorly.
00:02:21.000 Okay, it's time to take a time out here on a lighter note for Hillsdale College.
00:02:25.000 So, the Constitution is dead.
00:02:27.000 Woo!
00:02:27.000 But, don't worry, Hillsdale College is going to revivify it.
00:02:30.000 Hillsdale College is the place that is going to make sure that everybody knows about the Constitution.
00:02:35.000 I love Hillsdale College.
00:02:36.000 I've had personal dealings with Hillsdale College.
00:02:38.000 I've spoken for them multiple times.
00:02:40.000 I believe I've been featured or will be featured in Primus, which is their magazine.
00:02:44.000 But they have something super cool.
00:02:45.000 You don't just have to send your kid to Hillsdale College.
00:02:48.000 They have something super cool.
00:02:49.000 It's an online course called Constitution 101.
00:02:52.000 So you know what the Constitution is, you know the basic outline, how the system works, you understand all of these things, but if you want to know all the details, the ins and outs, everything there is to know about the Constitution,
00:03:03.000 You need to go over to hillsdale.edu slash ben and they have a free constitution 101 course that you can get there.
00:03:11.000 You can download it, you can watch it on your computer, you can listen to it on your phone.
00:03:15.000 It's awesome.
00:03:16.000 And you should go there and take advantage of it.
00:03:17.000 It's free, so you're not going to lose anything.
00:03:19.000 And you're going to gain a lot of knowledge.
00:03:21.000 Hillsdale, truly, they're some of the best people in the United States.
00:03:24.000 And if the country does have a future, it's going to be because of graduates of places like Hillsdale College.
00:03:29.000 So go to hillsdale.edu slash ben.
00:03:31.000 Hillsdale.edu slash ben.
00:03:34.000 Make sure you get the slash ben there so they know that we sent you.
00:03:36.000 Know your rights.
00:03:37.000 Try that course.
00:03:38.000 Okay, so.
00:03:39.000 Last night was indeed a horror show of epic proportions.
00:03:44.000 For those of us who care about the country, for those of us who care about conservatism, last night was a ringing rebuke to the idea that Americans have brain cells.
00:03:51.000 It was very difficult to watch.
00:03:54.000 Why don't we start with Marco Rubio dropping out?
00:03:56.000 So as I mentioned at the top of the show, Marco Rubio is out.
00:04:00.000 He dropped out last night, and as I said, and I ripped off and plagiarized my friend Jeremy Boring to say this, but he has nothing to say about it since, hey, what's he gonna do about it?
00:04:09.000 That we find ourselves at this point is not surprising.
00:04:37.000 For the warning signs have been here for close to a decade.
00:04:40.000 In 2010, a Tea Party wave carried me and others into office because not enough was happening and that Tea Party wave gave Republicans a majority in the House.
00:04:49.000 But nothing changed.
00:04:51.000 In 2014, those same voters gave Republicans a majority in the Senate and still nothing changed.
00:04:58.000 And I blame some of that on the conservative movement.
00:05:01.000 A movement that is supposed to be about our principles and our ideas.
00:05:05.000 But I blame most of it on our political establishment.
00:05:12.000 A political establishment that for far too long has looked down at conservatives as simple-minded people.
00:05:21.000 Looked down at conservatives as simply bomb throwers.
00:05:25.000 A political establishment that for far too long has taken the votes of conservatives for granted.
00:05:30.000 And a political establishment that has grown to confuse cronyism for capitalism.
00:05:35.000 And big business for free enterprise.
00:05:37.000 Okay, everything he's saying here is, of course, true.
00:05:40.000 And again, you can see how broken up Rubio is in all of this.
00:05:43.000 I mean, he looks like death here.
00:05:44.000 He looks really bad.
00:05:45.000 For people who can't see the video of Marco Rubio, this is a man ending his political career, at least for the time being and probably for the foreseeable future.
00:05:52.000 He's not running for Senate again in Florida.
00:05:54.000 He already announced that before his campaign.
00:05:56.000 He lost his home state to Donald Trump by almost 20%, which is just humiliating and forecloses the possibility of running for governor of the state.
00:06:05.000 All of this is sad.
00:06:07.000 I'd be sadder, except that Marco Rubio should have dropped out a week ago.
00:06:10.000 It was obvious this was going to happen, and as I mentioned at the top, Marco Rubio's continued presence in the race meant, undoubtedly, that Donald Trump ended up winning at least two more states, maybe three last night, and ends up running away with the night, and has all the momentum right now.
00:06:26.000 Meanwhile, who's the next Rubio?
00:06:27.000 Who's the next guy who's gonna hand it to Donald Trump?
00:06:30.000 Who's the next guy gonna make sure that the votes split so that Trump can continue to win with 40%?
00:06:34.000 Why, it's our old friend, John Kasich.
00:06:37.000 And Kasich went out there last night, and this is the most important political speech of his career, the only time people care what he has to say, and instead he gets up there and he goes up there without a teleprompter and just looks like a complete nutbag.
00:06:52.000 So here is John Kasich.
00:06:55.000 You know what?
00:06:58.000 Look, this is all I got, okay?
00:07:01.000 This is all I got.
00:07:02.000 And all I can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart.
00:07:06.000 But I want you to know something.
00:07:08.000 All he's got is his mandates.
00:07:09.000 We're gonna go all the way to Cleveland and secure the Republican nomination.
00:07:20.000 This is crazy.
00:07:22.000 That is one crazy old man right there.
00:07:40.000 You know, I also want to thank... It's like watching a train wreck.
00:07:44.000 You know, my father was a Democrat all his life.
00:07:48.000 Well, there are those who would argue.
00:07:50.000 We had a lot of Democrats that said they didn't like a socialist agenda or a left-wing agenda or big government.
00:07:58.000 I want to thank them for coming over in this election and putting their confidence in me.
00:08:06.000 Because, you know, I think we all know that conservative principles can work.
00:08:09.000 That common sense can work.
00:08:11.000 That shifting power and money and influence from that big place in Washington and moving it to where we live, that empowers us.
00:08:18.000 Okay, so whatever, I don't care what he has to say now.
00:08:21.000 The only funny part of that is where he opens his jacket and tries to flash the crowd for no reason.
00:08:26.000 And then I love that in the screen behind John Kasich, for people who can't see, it says, as Ohio goes, so goes the nation.
00:08:31.000 Okay, John, we understand you want the vice presidential slot.
00:08:35.000 We get it.
00:08:35.000 You're trying to guarantee the state for the nominee.
00:08:38.000 You're sad.
00:08:39.000 You're a sad old man.
00:08:40.000 It's really pathetic.
00:08:41.000 So John Kasich does this routine, and even his daughter looks insanely bored in this particular screen grab, but John Kasich is going to stay in, and because he stays in, he's going to suck away just enough votes to prevent Ted Cruz from getting what he needs here, which is a one-on-one race with Donald Trump all the way down to the convention.
00:08:58.000 In a one-on-one race, Trump does not get enough delegates.
00:09:00.000 In a two-on-one race, Kasich and Trump, very likely that Trump gets enough delegates, which is just... All that come out of me are animalistic grunts at this point because logic has failed.
00:09:13.000 Okay, so on to the big winner of the night, Donald J. Trump, or as Sarah Palin likes to put it, Donald J. Trump!
00:09:20.000 Donald J. Trump gets up there and he says, you know, it's important that we bring our party together.
00:09:26.000 He's the great unifier, of course.
00:09:28.000 The man who calls his opponents Lion Ted and Little Marco.
00:09:31.000 The man who suggests that Megyn Kelly bleeds out of her whatever or wherever because she opposes him.
00:09:37.000 The man who suggests that his protesters punch other protesters and that he will pay their legal bills.
00:09:43.000 That guy is the great unifier.
00:09:45.000 And just before we start, important to note,
00:09:48.000 That the man standing right behind him on his, it would be Trump's right, wearing the yellow tie, that's Corey Lewandowski.
00:09:54.000 Corey Lewandowski is the dude who grabbed Michelle Fields by the arm hard enough to bruise her.
00:09:59.000 And Donald Trump, Lewandowski never stands on the stage for these things.
00:10:02.000 Donald Trump, the great unifier, basically says screw you to everyone, I'm bringing my campaign manager up here because he's such a great guy.
00:10:09.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about how we're gonna bring the party together.
00:10:14.000 You know, so many.
00:10:15.000 We've had such incredible support.
00:10:18.000 Paul Ryan called me the other day.
00:10:20.000 Tremendous call.
00:10:22.000 I spoke with Mitch McConnell today.
00:10:23.000 We had a great conversation.
00:10:25.000 The fact is, we have to bring our party together.
00:10:29.000 We have to bring it together.
00:10:35.000 We have something happening that actually makes the Republican Party probably the biggest political story anywhere in the world.
00:10:43.000 Everybody's writing about it, all over Europe, all over the world they're talking about it.
00:10:48.000 Millions of people are coming in to vote.
00:10:50.000 This was an example of it today.
00:10:52.000 Many, many more people.
00:10:53.000 I'm looking at the polling booths.
00:10:54.000 I'm looking at different polling booths all around the country, where it's up.
00:10:59.000 And the lines are four, five, six blocks long.
00:11:02.000 And the woman — one woman was in there for 40 years.
00:11:05.000 She's been working the polls.
00:11:06.000 And she said, we'd have two people here.
00:11:08.000 We'd have three people.
00:11:10.000 Now look at the line.
00:11:10.000 And the line looked like it was, you know, long.
00:11:13.000 It was really long.
00:11:14.000 Uh, the eloquence of Cicero here.
00:11:16.000 Okay, we can cut him off.
00:11:16.000 This dude is Lincoln-esque in his language.
00:11:19.000 Again, if Donald Trump ever stumbles over a four-syllable word, it will be the first time that that ever happens.
00:11:25.000 Uh, and when I rip Donald Trump as stupid, sometimes people get mad.
00:11:27.000 Why are you stooping to his level?
00:11:28.000 Because this is his level.
00:11:30.000 I'm not sure that he understands English at any other level.
00:11:33.000 In fact, Donald Trump- But don't worry, Donald Trump- We'll get to- In a moment, Donald Trump assuring us he's very, very smart.
00:11:37.000 Smarter than anyone else who ever lived.
00:11:39.000 I mentioned Lewandowski.
00:11:41.000 Let's get- Let's grab clip- Which one is it?
00:11:42.000 Let's grab clip 12.
00:11:44.000 So clip 12 is this is Donald Trump singling out his campaign manager.
00:11:47.000 So he's a great uniter, right?
00:11:48.000 Donald Trump, big uniter.
00:11:50.000 He's bringing out the new people.
00:11:52.000 He's bringing out the old people.
00:11:53.000 He's bringing out young people and old people and white people and more white people.
00:11:57.000 He's bringing out all sorts of people.
00:11:59.000 I mean, the range of people is just astounding.
00:12:02.000 And so Donald Trump says, and who is he unifying?
00:12:06.000 He's unifying so much that he stands next to the guy who grabbed a campaign reporter, bruised her, lied about her, called her an attention seeker, linked to a discredited website in order to try and claim that she was a routine attention seeker.
00:12:20.000 And he brought him up on stage personally to thank him and then ripped the media.
00:12:23.000 By the way, at this particular rally, Donald Trump banned a reporter from Politico for writing a nasty piece, what he determined to be nasty.
00:12:30.000 It's also true, a piece about Corey Lewandowski, or it should be true, presumably, about Corey Lewandowski and his history of nastiness toward women.
00:12:38.000 Here is Donald Trump singling out Corey Lewandowski for praise.
00:12:42.000 He gets the Trump Medal of High Honor for loyalty and valor in the field.
00:12:46.000 Here we go.
00:12:48.000 Cory, good job, Cory.
00:12:51.000 Good job.
00:12:53.000 And Hope, and our whole squad, right?
00:12:58.000 Our whole squad.
00:12:59.000 When he singles out Corey Lewandowski for the first time in the entire campaign, just after Corey Lewandowski grabs Michelle Fields by the arm hard enough to bruise her.
00:13:06.000 Again, folks, the story there is not that Michelle was beaten to death with a jackhammer.
00:13:12.000 That's not the idea.
00:13:13.000 The idea is that if anybody grabbed my wife, or my sister, or my daughter hard enough to bruise her, they would owe an apology.
00:13:19.000 They wouldn't
00:13:20.000 Go around smearing people.
00:13:21.000 Ted Cruz fired his communications director for retweeting a video that turned out to be false.
00:13:25.000 Donald Trump is basically pinning a medal on Corey Lewandowski's chest for lying about a reporter and smearing her.
00:13:31.000 So that's who Donald Trump is.
00:13:32.000 The great unifier.
00:13:33.000 By the way, the great unifier continued to unify today.
00:13:38.000 Trump, by the way, when I say he's on Lewandowski's side, he is on Lewandowski's side.
00:13:40.000 This is a flashback to last week.
00:13:42.000 Here's when Trump lied about Michelle Fields.
00:13:44.000 He says the reporter is lying, clip 11.
00:13:47.000 Well, they said absolutely nothing happened.
00:13:49.000 He didn't hear about it until, like, the next day.
00:13:52.000 So I wasn't involved in it.
00:13:54.000 But the Secret Service was surrounding everybody.
00:13:56.000 They said nothing happened.
00:13:58.000 Everybody said nothing happened.
00:13:59.000 Perhaps he made the story up.
00:14:01.000 I think that's what happened.
00:14:03.000 Perhaps you made the story up.
00:14:04.000 I think that's what happened.
00:14:06.000 Yeah, and then now there's tape of that not being true.
00:14:08.000 But, you know, Trump is showing that the media are deeply in love with Donald Trump.
00:14:12.000 You know, I've said the Breitbart News has become Trump's Pravda.
00:14:14.000 The entire media have essentially become Trump's Pravda when it comes to allowing him to get away with things that would hurt any other candidate.
00:14:21.000 Trump was on all four of the morning shows on Sunday.
00:14:24.000 He was not asked a single question about Lewandowski or Michelle Field.
00:14:28.000 The Great Uniter.
00:14:29.000 Get back to the Great Uniter.
00:14:30.000 Here's what the Great Uniter had to say about the next debate, right?
00:14:33.000 His chance to unite the country and really make an appeal to people that he is the person who can bring us all together.
00:14:38.000 What's he gonna do about the debate?
00:14:40.000 Trump, are you going to be at the Fox News debate on March 21st?
00:14:43.000 Well, you know, I'll be honest.
00:14:44.000 Nobody even told me about it.
00:14:46.000 And I might as well give it to you first, Steve, because you've always been so fair, the whole group.
00:14:50.000 This group, this is my group.
00:14:51.000 I love this show.
00:14:52.000 What can I tell you?
00:14:53.000 I don't know, do I have good taste or bad taste?
00:14:55.000 You have good taste.
00:14:56.000 I hope good taste.
00:14:57.000 OK, you better believe it.
00:14:59.000 So nobody told me about debates.
00:15:01.000 Nobody told me.
00:15:02.000 And as you saw, I thought the last debate on CNN was the last debate that was going to be it.
00:15:07.000 And I'm doing a major speech in front of a very important group of people.
00:15:11.000 I think it's 8,000 or 9,000 people that night, and it was scheduled a while ago, and nobody told me there were going to be more debates.
00:15:18.000 So you're not going to do the Fox News debate?
00:15:20.000 I will say this.
00:15:21.000 I will say this.
00:15:22.000 I think we've had enough debates.
00:15:24.000 We've had 11 or 12 debates.
00:15:26.000 I did really well in the last one.
00:15:28.000 I think I've done well in all the debates.
00:15:29.000 I mean, according to Drudge and everybody else, I won the debates.
00:15:32.000 Wow, according to Matt Tyler.
00:15:33.000 Can we even shut him up?
00:15:34.000 Okay, so first of all, notice a couple things about this clip.
00:15:36.000 You guys are fair.
00:15:37.000 You guys are the best.
00:15:39.000 Okay, by fair he means you are sycophants and you allow me to do whatever I want.
00:15:43.000 That's what Trump means by this particular comment.
00:15:45.000 And Drudge, I win all the Drudge polls right, because if you follow Matt Drudge's site, it has turned into a Trump fan site.
00:15:51.000 And they're pushing out ridiculous smears about Ted Cruz and nasty nonsense about Christians.
00:15:57.000 But this whole thing, he's, but don't worry, he's a uniter.
00:16:00.000 He's not gonna go to the debates and make the case that he's a uniter, but he is indeed a uniter.
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00:17:07.000 Okay, back to Donald Trump.
00:17:09.000 So Donald Trump, Great Uniter, genius.
00:17:11.000 We've been told he's the greatest politician that people have ever seen.
00:17:15.000 Yesterday, I made the point that no one's going to control Trump.
00:17:18.000 Everybody's acting like they're going to control Trump.
00:17:19.000 You can't control Trump.
00:17:20.000 He's a force of nature.
00:17:22.000 Trump basically said that.
00:17:23.000 So today, Donald Trump was asked who his foreign policy advisors were.
00:17:27.000 And here's what Donald Trump had to say about his foreign policy advisors.
00:17:31.000 Who are you talking to consistently since we have some dire foreign policy issues percolating around the world right now?
00:17:38.000 Who are you consulting with consistently so that you're ready on day one?
00:17:43.000 I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things.
00:17:51.000 Well then, so he's speaking with himself, so he won't be debating, he will be master debating with himself on foreign policy.
00:18:01.000 He has a very good brain, which by the way, as a person who has attended many good schools and dealt with many smart people, I have yet to run into anyone with an IQ above 105 who says things like, I have a very good brain, and so I take counsel with myself.
00:18:17.000 This is what stupid people say, gang.
00:18:20.000 Okay, so Donald Trump is not particularly smart.
00:18:22.000 And, you know, I was talking with Andrew Klavan before the show today, and he was saying, you know, everybody else can complain, but you have to beat the field that you're in, right?
00:18:30.000 You can complain about the field being too crowded, but you've got to beat the people you're up against.
00:18:34.000 I don't believe that that's fair.
00:18:36.000 And the reason I don't think that's fair is because it's not like there are 10 people who are all competing to market Coke.
00:18:41.000 They're not all marketing the same product.
00:18:43.000 They're not all marketing conservatism.
00:18:45.000 There were basically about 12 people marketing Coke, which is conservatism in this case, and one person who was
00:18:52.000 Who's marketing purple drink, right?
00:18:54.000 I mean, that's been, that was Trump.
00:18:56.000 And so it turns out that even if a minority of people like purple drink, he got a thousand people all competing for Coke.
00:19:01.000 The price of Coke is going to be less than the price of purple drink, right?
00:19:05.000 So that's, that's basically what happened here with Trump.
00:19:08.000 Chris Christie, by the way, no, no, no tour of Trumpville would be complete without comment from Chris Christie.
00:19:15.000 As I've said, the Renfields, Donald Trump's Dracula.
00:19:18.000 Here's Chris Christie defending Donald Trump, his new beloved.
00:19:21.000 And Chris Christie is beginning to look more and more like a character from Sesame Street.
00:19:26.000 I mean, he really is starting to bear a strong resemblance to Snuffleupagus.
00:19:29.000 And here's Chris Christie explaining why Donald Trump, you know, people should be loyal to Donald Trump.
00:19:35.000 To Donald Trump.
00:19:36.000 Okay, go.
00:19:37.000 I find it interesting, as it applies to Donald in particular, that all the rage back in July and August, and I remember having to do this actually on TV, was to sign a pledge
00:19:48.000 That I would support the eventual Republican nominee.
00:19:51.000 Now, I think that was done because at the time, Donald was talking about, well, if it's not fair to me, I may run as a third party.
00:19:59.000 So the National Party required every one of us, as a condition of being in the debates,
00:20:05.000 to sign a loyalty pledge to whoever the nominee was going to be.
00:20:09.000 Now, those very same people who made us sign the loyalty pledge are now saying, well, maybe we shouldn't follow what the voters decide to do.
00:20:17.000 I find that ironic and somewhat hypocritical.
00:20:21.000 Okay, so that's hypocritical that we had to sign loyalty pledges.
00:20:25.000 First of all, I said at the time, actually, I may have been the only person who said nobody should sign a loyalty pledge because what if Trump's the nominee?
00:20:31.000 What if it turns out that it's somebody you don't like?
00:20:34.000 Do you know what Trump is doing now?
00:20:35.000 The Great Uniter?
00:20:36.000 The Great Uniter says that if he doesn't actually get what he's looking for, if he doesn't get what he's looking for, clip nine, here's what's going to happen.
00:20:45.000 We're way ahead of everybody.
00:20:47.000 I don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically.
00:20:50.000 I think it would be—I think you'd have riots.
00:20:52.000 I think you'd have riots.
00:20:54.000 You know, we have—I'm representing a tremendous—many, many millions of people.
00:20:58.000 In many cases, first-time voters.
00:20:59.000 These are people that haven't voted because they never believed in the system.
00:21:03.000 They didn't like candidates, et cetera, et cetera, that are 40 and 50 and 60 years old, and they've never voted before.
00:21:09.000 Many, many of those people—many Democrats, many independents.
00:21:13.000 ...coming in.
00:21:13.000 That's what the big story is, really, Chris.
00:21:15.000 I mean, the really big story is how many people are voting in these primaries.
00:21:21.000 The numbers are astronomical.
00:21:22.000 Okay, so he's the great... If you disenfranchise people... He's the great uniter.
00:21:25.000 Right, so he's the great uniter.
00:21:26.000 If you disenfranchise people, they're gonna riot.
00:21:28.000 I think you'd have riots if I'm not the nominee.
00:21:30.000 Great!
00:21:31.000 Great.
00:21:31.000 So now we've got... Way to tamp down the rhetoric there, Donald.
00:21:34.000 Everybody says that you're partially responsible for people at your rallies getting violent, and you say, and if I don't get the nomination, they're gonna riot.
00:21:42.000 Yeah, you're a real uniter.
00:21:43.000 You're really bringing the country together, Mr. Trump.
00:21:46.000 Way to raise the rhetoric.
00:21:47.000 You're really just enhancing the way American politics operates.
00:21:51.000 Okay, so I want to talk about a couple of things here.
00:21:54.000 I have two theories as to why Donald Trump is rising.
00:21:56.000 One is pessimistic and one is actually optimistic.
00:21:59.000 So, as you can guess, I tend toward the pessimistic.
00:22:03.000 But, there are two theories.
00:22:04.000 So, let's start with the pessimistic vision and then we'll go to the optimistic vision because for some reason I get a lot of mail like this.
00:22:09.000 People like listening to my show and then Klavan's show because I basically tell them that everything is going to hell and then Klavan says, yes, but there will be popsicles there.
00:22:18.000 So, let's go through the pessimistic version and then we'll go through the optimistic version of why Trump is rising and what it means for the country.
00:22:25.000 Here, the pessimistic version is
00:22:29.000 Basically, in a nutshell, that this is not a conservative country anymore.
00:22:34.000 That this is not a conservative country, and it's not even close to a conservative country.
00:22:37.000 That the kind of nice myth that we've been telling ourselves is that there's this silent majority of people who deep down believe in small government, and in limited government, and in personal rights, and in individual decision-making and personal responsibility, and that those people have just been turned off, basically.
00:22:56.000 But that may be a myth.
00:22:57.000 It's possible, it's possible that there are just most people in the United States who don't know the Constitution from their own butts.
00:23:04.000 That they don't know anything about the Constitution.
00:23:06.000 That's why you go to Hillsdale and get a Constitution 101 course.
00:23:09.000 They don't know anything about what our rights look like.
00:23:12.000 And because of that, they're tending toward the authoritarian who promises them the moon and is going to deliver them nothing but the craters on the moon.
00:23:21.000 So here's Ted Cruz, and he says, you know, look, here's Cruz's, because the real question here is, okay, so Donald Trump is channeling the anger, right?
00:23:29.000 No question, he's channeling the anger, and the anger is justified, and we keep hearing about the anger of this and the anger of that.
00:23:34.000 I'm angry too, you may have noticed.
00:23:36.000 I'm not noted for being a gumdrop and fairy tale unicorn guy, right?
00:23:42.000 I'm pissed too, we're all pissed, we all have reason to be pissed, but
00:23:46.000 The difference is that I'm not following the demagogue, and you shouldn't either.
00:23:49.000 If you're ticked off about how government works, maybe the answer is don't trust the government.
00:23:54.000 Give the government's control over to a guy who wants to dismantle large swaths of the government.
00:23:59.000 So why isn't Ted Cruz succeeding?
00:24:00.000 So Ted Cruz was asked about this, and here is what Ted Cruz basically said.
00:24:06.000 Here's the deal about Trump.
00:24:07.000 Here's why you shouldn't vote Trump.
00:24:10.000 Now I'd like to talk to you a little bit about Donald and the Constitution.
00:24:14.000 Nobody in America, in their right mind, doubts that Ted Cruz is committed to the Constitution.
00:24:18.000 Some of your colleagues in D.C.
00:24:20.000 might think you're overly committed to the Constitution sometimes.
00:24:23.000 But do you think, if Donald is the nominee, that Republicans can, in good faith, say, I trust him with the constitutional limitations on his office?
00:24:32.000 Well, I think Donald has given us no reason to believe that he respects the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
00:24:39.000 We know on the Second Amendment that Donald Trump supported Bill Clinton's national legislation banning some of the most popular firearms in America.
00:24:48.000 We know on the First Amendment that Donald Trump has spoken out against freedom of the speech, freedom of the press, that he does not like criticism and he wants to use government power to silence anyone who criticizes him.
00:25:02.000 And, you know, I'll tell you, one of the things I talk about on the campaign trail quite a bit is actually the question you asked us two debates ago, where, Hugh, you asked us about religious liberty in the Supreme Court.
00:25:13.000 And Donald turned to me and he said, Ted, I've known a lot more politicians than you have.
00:25:19.000 Now, in that, he is right.
00:25:20.000 He has been supporting liberal Democratic politicians for 40 years.
00:25:25.000 I have no experience doing that.
00:25:27.000 But Donald continued, he said,
00:25:29.000 When it comes to the Supreme Court, when it comes to religious liberty, he said, Ted, you've got to learn to compromise.
00:25:35.000 You've got to learn to work with Democrats to cut deals and go along to get along.
00:25:40.000 Well, I think that is one of the sharpest divides in this primary.
00:25:43.000 Let me be very, very clear to your listeners.
00:25:46.000 I will not compromise away your religious liberty.
00:25:49.000 Okay, so you can stop it there.
00:25:50.000 And I will not compromise... So Cruz says, and he thinks he's going to win with this pitch, right?
00:25:53.000 Cruz thinks that his winning pitch is going to be, Donald Trump doesn't respect the Constitution.
00:25:58.000 And Cruz continues along these lines.
00:26:00.000 He says, look, Trump bribes people, right?
00:26:02.000 Hillary is bribed, and Trump bribes people.
00:26:05.000 This is what he said last night in his victory speech.
00:26:08.000 Or loss speech.
00:26:09.000 Far too many politicians focus on Washington, D.C.
00:26:14.000 To the lobbyists.
00:26:16.000 To those like Donald Trump, who buy influence.
00:26:20.000 And to those like Hillary Clinton, who sell influence.
00:26:24.000 Washington is the center of the universe.
00:26:28.000 But we understand that isn't right.
00:26:35.000 There's corruption in Washington, D.C.
00:26:37.000 He's a constitutional guy.
00:26:38.000 That's why you should vote for him.
00:26:39.000 Now I'm going to play for you Bill O'Reilly.
00:26:41.000 This is a Freudian slip.
00:26:42.000 Here's Bill O'Reilly explaining why people support Donald Trump.
00:26:46.000 The reason I think Trump won in Florida is because he comes across as more authoritarian.
00:26:52.000 Not authoritative.
00:26:54.000 Authoritarian.
00:26:55.000 And I was thinking about this all day today.
00:26:57.000 What happened to Rubio?
00:26:59.000 I'm not so sure Rubio did anything wrong.
00:27:02.000 It's that he just couldn't overcome the perception that many Republican voters have that you need somebody from the outside, number one, to punish the Republican establishment, but more importantly, to take it to Hillary Clinton.
00:27:17.000 I think the turning point in this race for Trump was when he attacked both Hillary and Bill Clinton a few months ago when they started the sexist stuff.
00:27:27.000 And he just laid them out.
00:27:29.000 I think a lot of people saw that and said, you know what?
00:27:31.000 This guy can punish as well as win.
00:27:35.000 And in this angry age, voters want a punishment along with a victory.
00:27:40.000 Okay, and I think that Bill O'Reilly, with whom I frequently disagree, may be right.
00:27:44.000 And if so, this is a real pessimistic vision of the future.
00:27:47.000 Because the fact is that half the country already believes in an authoritarian politics.
00:27:51.000 They already believe in Barack Obama's vision of him at the top, sitting there with the crown, telling everybody what to do, helping those he likes, hurting those he dislikes.
00:28:01.000 We already know half the country likes that because they've been fine with it for years.
00:28:04.000 But the idea was, I thought, that on our side we weren't supposed to like this.
00:28:08.000 And the idea that we had for ourselves was that the majority of Americans really don't like this sort of stuff.
00:28:13.000 They've just sort of been bamboozled, or they don't pay close enough attention, or they're low-information voters, as Rush Limbaugh likes to say.
00:28:19.000 And if we inform them, if we get them knowledgeable, they'll make the right decisions.
00:28:24.000 What O'Reilly's suggesting here is something different, which is that we may have reached the authoritarian age totally in politics.
00:28:29.000 The conservative ideals that Cruz are espousing, they might not be popular anymore.
00:28:35.000 If that's the case, then that speaks to why Trump not only cannot be the nominee, but cannot win.
00:28:40.000 And I mean, should not win.
00:28:42.000 And that is that if there is no one left to espouse constitutional values, everything that the founders fought and bled and sacrificed for, everything that their descendants fought and bled and sacrificed for, everything that your grandfathers and your great-grandfathers fought for in Europe,
00:29:00.000 All of that is dead.
00:29:01.000 If that's what's happening right now, all of that is dead.
00:29:04.000 Because if we are now at the point where Americans no longer value basic liberty and basic rights against the government, then there's nothing more to say.
00:29:11.000 We've reached the end of the road.
00:29:12.000 The end of the road is here.
00:29:14.000 And if the end of the road is here, the only thing that we can do is fight back by building a movement.
00:29:19.000 Not this election.
00:29:20.000 Not this election.
00:29:21.000 Not this election.
00:29:21.000 Okay?
00:29:22.000 Everybody is focused.
00:29:24.000 Conservative audiences, typically, when you go to a speech, my audience tends to be actually wildly disproportionately young, which is one of the reasons why I think people find the movement that we're trying to create interesting and inspiring is because, I mean, Lindsay can tell you, she goes through our mail, you know, I would say that 80% of the people who write to us are under the age of 30 and probably 60% of the people who write to us are under the age of 20.
00:29:45.000 It's a lot of young people who listen to our podcast and follow what we do at Daily Wire and elsewhere.
00:29:51.000 But we need to build a movement.
00:29:53.000 All the older people in the movement are constantly thinking, but what about this election?
00:29:56.000 What about this now?
00:29:58.000 What if Hillary's elected right now?
00:29:59.000 If she's elected now, it's the end of the country.
00:30:02.000 And they keep saying this over and over.
00:30:03.000 This is why they say you have to vote Trump against Hillary.
00:30:05.000 You must support Trump against Hillary.
00:30:07.000 This election is the most important election.
00:30:09.000 Well, it is if you're looking at your timeline as two years or three years or four years.
00:30:13.000 If you're looking at your timeline as 50 years.
00:30:16.000 Then no, this isn't the most important election.
00:30:18.000 The most important election is the one where conservatives win.
00:30:21.000 Actual conservatives win.
00:30:23.000 And that takes people saying no, and it takes people gathering together and building an actual grassroots conservative movement, not a populist nationalism where you form a coalition with a bunch of people who just want to punish others.
00:30:36.000 Who think that if you jack up the tariffs that magically jobs come back to America, which is economically stupid.
00:30:41.000 So the pessimistic version of this, why Trump is rising, in the end may be an optimistic version, which is, okay, but we now need to build a movement.
00:30:49.000 Now that we know that we've hit rock bottom, that we're losing, you can't acknowledge how to win until you realize that you've lost.
00:30:55.000 And so the pessimistic version says we've lost, that Trump is a result of that loss, that even the conservative movement has been split in two, it's lost its way, it's time to consolidate and build a new movement.
00:31:04.000 Okay, that's the down-hearted side.
00:31:07.000 The up-hearted side is something that says that Trump is basically a temporary phenomenon.
00:31:11.000 Trump is not a permanent move in American politics.
00:31:13.000 Trump is a reaction to everything else that's happening around him.
00:31:16.000 And there's a decent case to be made for this.
00:31:19.000 So, for example, Donald Trump, you know, he said last night, Mitch McConnell called him up.
00:31:25.000 They had a wonderful conversation.
00:31:26.000 It was just spectacular.
00:31:28.000 And Mitch McConnell came out and he said, you know, when I talked to Trump, what I actually asked him is to condemn the rally violence.
00:31:33.000 That's what I asked.
00:31:34.000 And I took the opportunity to recommend to him that no matter who may be triggering these violent expressions or conflicts that we've seen in some of these rallies, it might be a good idea to condemn that, no matter what the source of it is.
00:31:55.000 And so McConnell says this, and it's a very mild rip on Trump, and then he turns around and he says, you know what I would really like is an apology from Ted Cruz for calling me a liar.
00:32:03.000 That's what I'd really like.
00:32:04.000 That ticks people off.
00:32:05.000 People feel like McConnell's on every side of everything, and they don't trust him.
00:32:09.000 And so you look at him and you say, okay, well, fine, if somebody's gonna come in and get things done instead of these rubes, let's do this thing.
00:32:15.000 Let's get that authoritarian in there.
00:32:17.000 So it's the same desire for an authoritarian, but in one case I'm saying it may be permanent, or at least a long-lasting feature of the American landscape, and in the other it's just a transitory reaction.
00:32:27.000 It's a backlash against the Republican Party and a backlash against the left.
00:32:33.000 And it's easy to see that this is plausible, too.
00:32:34.000 This is a plausible theory.
00:32:35.000 So, for example, take a look at Hillary Clinton.
00:32:37.000 Here's Hillary Clinton talking about why Trump shouldn't be the nominee.
00:32:40.000 She won big last night.
00:32:41.000 She is going to be the nominee, of course, as she always was going to be the nominee in the Democratic Party.
00:32:46.000 Here is Hillary Clinton wearing that gorgeous blue jumpsuit talking about how she is going to fight for us.
00:32:53.000 We live in a complex and, yes, a dangerous world.
00:32:57.000 Protecting America's national security can never be an afterthought.
00:33:03.000 Our Commander-in-Chief has to be able to defend our country, not embarrass it.
00:33:10.000 Engage our allies, not alienate them.
00:33:15.000 Defeat our adversaries, not embolden them.
00:33:19.000 Okay, so she says that we need a president who won't embarrass us.
00:33:23.000 You know, embarrass us like putting his schlong in an intern in the Oval Office.
00:33:29.000 Or like say, I don't know, giving a reset button to the Russians and then having them invade every country in the Western Hemisphere.
00:33:35.000 Or, for example, like, leaving four Americans to die for no reason and putting all of your classified emails on a server in your bathroom.
00:33:43.000 Like, that kind of embarrassment.
00:33:45.000 People react to this kind of stuff and they go, fine, screw you, Trump.
00:33:48.000 Right, really, that is what it is.
00:33:49.000 Trump and screw you are basically synonyms in this particular iteration of the theory.
00:33:53.000 Right, you look at Hillary and you go, oh, shut it.
00:33:56.000 Come on.
00:33:58.000 You look at Debbie Wasserman Schultz, or as I like to call her, Jar Jar Binks.
00:34:01.000 Here's what she had to say about Trump's divisive rhetoric.
00:34:04.000 That spells disaster for the Republicans and where they're headed as they hurdle towards nominating this extremist carnival barker who has been condoning violence at his rallies and America wants to continue to move forward.
00:34:17.000 They don't want the divisive, horrible, nasty rhetoric and backbiting that has gone on on the other side and they don't want to go backwards.
00:34:24.000 They don't want the divisive, nasty rhetoric.
00:34:27.000 You know, like from Debbie Wasserman, Jar Jar Binks, Schultz, who actually said about Scott Walker that he essentially beats women, that he hates women so much that it's like he beats women.
00:34:36.000 So people look at her and they say, screw you.
00:34:39.000 Right?
00:34:39.000 A.K.A.
00:34:40.000 Trump.
00:34:40.000 Or people look at Obama yesterday.
00:34:42.000 He did the same thing.
00:34:42.000 He said, we've had enough of this vulgarity.
00:34:45.000 We must stop this vulgarity.
00:34:47.000 It's not time for that anymore.
00:34:50.000 We have heard vulgar and divisive rhetoric aimed at women and minorities, at Americans who don't look like us or pray like us or vote like we do.
00:35:01.000 We've seen misguided attempts to shut down that speech, however offensive it may be.
00:35:09.000 We live in a country where free speech is
00:35:15.000 Okay, we can stop it there.
00:35:17.000 But the vulgar and divisive rhetoric, you know, when I listen to this guy talk about vulgar and divisive rhetoric, he came into office with the most unified country in my lifetime and he proceeded to shatter it.
00:35:29.000 People on the left and even on the right.
00:35:30.000 I mean, Laura Ingraham was saying she was moved when Obama was elected because finally we had shown that we could elect a black president.
00:35:36.000 I, at the time, said that's the stupidest thing that I've ever heard.
00:35:38.000 I don't care whether he's black or whether he's white or whether he's green.
00:35:42.000 It doesn't matter to me.
00:35:43.000 He's going to stink.
00:35:44.000 He's of the left.
00:35:45.000 But Obama came in amid this great wave of good feeling and he proceeded to completely destroy it.
00:35:51.000 He had his Attorney General go out there and say that whites were cowards on race.
00:35:55.000 He sent his Department of Justice out there to rip on the police departments.
00:35:59.000 He sent members of his administration to go to the funerals of thugs like Michael Brown.
00:36:04.000 He went out there and he called all the people who disagree with him bitter clingers.
00:36:07.000 They cling to God and guns and the Constitution, those nasty people.
00:36:10.000 He said that his political opponents were quote-unquote the enemy.
00:36:13.000 His political allies give rioters, quote, space to people who want to destroy.
00:36:19.000 In 2010, he said that he was so angry with British Petroleum that he was just looking for, quote, who's asked to kick.
00:36:25.000 He said in 2009 to members of Wall Street, my administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.
00:36:31.000 In June 2008, he said, quote, if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.
00:36:35.000 Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl.
00:36:39.000 Everybody focused on that first sentence, but they forget the second sentence, where he specifically calls for a brawl.
00:36:44.000 In September 2008, while he was still running, he said his supporters should argue with people and, quote, get in their faces.
00:36:49.000 In August 2009, that's when Jim Messina, who is his campaign chief of staff, his deputy chief of staff, said, quote, if you get hit, this is to Democrats, we will punch back twice as hard.
00:36:59.000 So he's there talking about vulgar and derisive rhetoric, divisive rhetoric.
00:37:02.000 And the normal response is, screw you.
00:37:05.000 And since screw you and Trump, as I say, are synonyms, that's what's leading to the rise of the authoritarian Trump.
00:37:11.000 He's basically just a big middle finger to everything, to everything.
00:37:14.000 I think there's probably truth to both these theories.
00:37:16.000 I think there's truth to the idea that conservatism is on the wane because conservatives don't think institutionally.
00:37:22.000 We think individually.
00:37:24.000 Think about, as a conservative, how you talk about politics to people.
00:37:27.000 What you do is you find friends and family, people on Facebook, and you tend to have arguments with them.
00:37:31.000 You try to convince them.
00:37:33.000 Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
00:37:34.000 What the left does is not that.
00:37:36.000 The left doesn't bother with that.
00:37:37.000 The left takes over institutions.
00:37:39.000 They take over the universities, and then they indoctrinate everybody.
00:37:42.000 They take over the public school system, and then they use your tax dollars to indoctrinate everybody.
00:37:47.000 They go ahead and they take over Hollywood and indoctrinate everybody.
00:37:50.000 They take over institutions.
00:37:52.000 Because of that, the left has been successful in creating now two generations, three generations probably, of Americans who don't even know what the Constitution is.
00:38:01.000 They like the sound of it, but there was a poll recently of college students, and I think it was a plurality of college students, who thought that the phrase, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need, was in the Constitution of the United States.
00:38:13.000 It isn't.
00:38:13.000 It's from the Communist Manifesto.
00:38:15.000 People don't even know what's in there, which is again why you need Hillsdale College.
00:38:20.000 But that is a demonstration that that's true.
00:38:23.000 And then on the other hand, I think people are really ticked off and they're sick of hearing all this stuff.
00:38:26.000 And so there's a real screw everything element to the Trump move that separates it from kind of normal conservative backlash.
00:38:35.000 Okay, quick note, and then we'll get to things I like and things I don't.
00:38:37.000 Quick note, Merrick Garland is the guy who Obama has now appointed for or nominated for the Supreme Court.
00:38:44.000 He has said that he definitely, definitely, definitely thinks that the guy should get a vote.
00:38:47.000 He shouldn't.
00:38:48.000 Merrick Garland is a typical Obama lefty on the court.
00:38:51.000 He's very anti-gun.
00:38:53.000 He is supposedly pro-abortion.
00:38:55.000 He is, according to the New York Times, very much in the mold of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor.
00:39:00.000 It's a clever gambit by Obama.
00:39:02.000 He's picking a guy that the media's gonna call moderate.
00:39:04.000 When the media says somebody's moderate, that just means a leftist who we want to elect.
00:39:08.000 Right?
00:39:08.000 A leftist we want to appoint.
00:39:09.000 So we'll call him a moderate, so that you can't tell.
00:39:11.000 Ooh, spooky.
00:39:13.000 So he's trying to appoint a guy who seems moderate so that Republicans are forced to greenlight him because they're afraid that if Trump loses, then Hillary will come in and put up somebody completely far to the left.
00:39:24.000 So he's saying, here's the moderate.
00:39:25.000 You can take him now, or you can get Hillary's nominee later, and that ain't going to go well for you.
00:39:29.000 So that's sort of his calculation.
00:39:31.000 They shouldn't greenlight his.
00:39:32.000 They shouldn't greenlight hers.
00:39:33.000 They shouldn't greenlight any nominee who doesn't follow Justice Scalia's beliefs in the Constitution.
00:39:38.000 Because again, the Constitution matters, especially if you're on the Supreme Court.
00:39:43.000 Time for things I like and things I don't.
00:39:45.000 Things I like.
00:39:46.000 First, I want to announce that if you send in videos now, if you send in YouTube videos or Instagrams, links to us at Daily Wire, and you can send it to my email address for now.
00:39:54.000 We'll set up new mail addresses shortly.
00:39:57.000 But if you send it to my fan mail, which is bshapiro at dailywire.com, we will answer your questions in the mailbag.
00:40:04.000 If you send a video question, we'll play it, we'll answer it.
00:40:07.000 And also, if you have life questions, if you have life questions, we're thinking about starting a segment here on the Ben Shapiro Show, if people are into it.
00:40:13.000 I'll start a segment here on The Ben Shapiro Show where I answer some of your life questions, because I do get a lot of advice questions from young people.
00:40:20.000 I'm happy to dispense advice on topics I know nothing about, as well as topics that I know everything about.
00:40:25.000 So, happy to do that.
00:40:28.000 Lovely Lindsey will read the questions to you.
00:40:30.000 So you'll finally get to see what Lindsey looks like if she hasn't run into a wall that day, which she actually did yesterday.
00:40:37.000 Sort of like both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.
00:40:40.000 So, okay.
00:40:41.000 Other things that I like.
00:40:43.000 There's...
00:40:44.000 Going back to, I think this was the best picture of 1980, there are certain performances that are really iconic performances that are underappreciated.
00:40:52.000 One of those performances is a performance by Donald Sutherland.
00:40:55.000 So nowadays, most people think of Donald Sutherland and they think of the guy from MASH maybe, the MASH the movie, or they think of Donald Sutherland now as the old guy from the Hunger Games, right?
00:41:04.000 He's President Snow in the Hunger Games.
00:41:05.000 Donald Sutherland is one of the great underappreciated actors in all of Hollywood history.
00:41:10.000 Terrific, terrific actor.
00:41:12.000 Um, and, uh, he's just great in everything.
00:41:14.000 If you ever catch it, I think, uh, include, he's great.
00:41:16.000 He's just, he's terrific in, in virtually everything that he's ever been in.
00:41:20.000 This is a great performance.
00:41:21.000 He was not nominated for this.
00:41:22.000 Everybody else in this movie was nominated.
00:41:24.000 This won Best Picture as an Ordinary People, 1980.
00:41:25.000 Uh, and, uh, and he is just spectacular.
00:41:29.000 The story is Timothy Hutton, who now is obviously much older, uh, and he's in a bunch of TV series and new movies.
00:41:36.000 Timothy Hutton, uh, is, is a young guy.
00:41:38.000 He's...
00:41:39.000 Like a 17-year-old kid whose brother has died in a drowning accident that he was present for, and has completely torn the family apart.
00:41:46.000 And it's about how he's tried to commit suicide before the movie begins, and how the family deals with this, and it's tearing the family apart.
00:41:53.000 Mary Tyler Moore won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in this movie because she plays the mother who just refuses to acknowledge that anything has happened that's wrong, and Donald Sutherland is the one who's beginning to acknowledge
00:42:06.000 You are unpredictable.
00:42:07.000 But you're so cautious.
00:42:07.000 You're determined, Beth.
00:42:08.000 But you know something?
00:42:09.000 You're not strong.
00:42:38.000 And I don't know if you're really giving.
00:42:44.000 Tell me something.
00:42:46.000 Do you love me?
00:42:50.000 Do you really love me?
00:42:55.000 I feel the way I've always felt about you.
00:43:11.000 It would have been alright if there hadn't been any mess.
00:43:33.000 It was in the script!
00:43:35.000 It's a great movie, Ordinary People, 1980, best picture.
00:43:37.000 Robert Redford, the best movie Robert Redford ever directed, by far.
00:43:41.000 Okay, things that I hate, and then we'll sign off.
00:43:43.000 So things I hate, um, there's this new movement on the left for women to shout their abortions, champion their abortions!
00:43:50.000 Yay!
00:43:51.000 I killed my baby!
00:43:52.000 Woo!
00:43:52.000 So Amy Brenneman is an actress, and I recognize her face, but I can't remember what she's been, and she's been in a lot of stuff.
00:43:59.000 But Amy Brenneman, she has now cut a video and wrote a piece for Cosmopolitan about how she is just wonderful because she's had abortions.
00:44:09.000 So here's Amy Brenneman talking about how she is just a better person for having killed her baby when she was 21.
00:44:17.000 You know, I remember being very, very, very young and, you know, my mother saying, take care of yourself, use birth control, know your body, and that abortion is a law of the land.
00:44:31.000 That was a big win.
00:44:32.000 I mean, just like, you know, women getting the right to vote.
00:44:35.000 I was 21.
00:44:36.000 I was in college, I think it was like after my junior year or something.
00:44:41.000 I'd been with a boyfriend for many years who was very loving and supportive and great I mean we used birth control and we did all the right things and and I remember we were I was in California visiting some friends in Northern, California And I was gonna meet him in LA and I realized like oh, I'm not getting my period I don't think I'm getting my period and I said to John I was like I think I think I might be pregnant and I guess
00:45:08.000 I was wise enough to know, like, I'm not ready to be a mom.
00:45:11.000 John paid for it, and I was treated very well.
00:45:15.000 And the idea of, like, oh...
00:45:18.000 Wow, I get to choose.
00:45:20.000 But it's a big deal to become a parent, and it's a big deal to parent different kinds of children.
00:45:27.000 Now that I am a mom, I have a 14-year-old and a 10-year-old, and because I live in a country where I could wait, I chose the right time, and even so, parenthood just knocks you on your ass.
00:45:40.000 And I think what's amazing about today is, like, people telling stories, and some of them are sad, and some of them are not sad, and all of them celebrate this basic law of the land, which is... Okay, stop this for a second.
00:45:53.000 Okay, so number one, you keep hearing her say, this basic law of the land, this law of the land, law, law, law, law, law.
00:45:59.000 Have a morality.
00:46:01.000 Have a morality.
00:46:03.000 That's gone.
00:46:03.000 Notice that the left hides behind law when they don't have morality.
00:46:06.000 Oh, that's the law of the land.
00:46:07.000 The left doesn't give two craps about the law of the land.
00:46:10.000 They don't care about the law of the land.
00:46:11.000 You gotta be kidding me.
00:46:13.000 The left shifts the law of the land based on their own personal whim.
00:46:16.000 Roe v. Wade was an example of the left shifting the law of the land based on their personal whim.
00:46:21.000 And then for her to stand there, oh, well, you know, I had a loving boyfriend for a long time, and we did all the right things, and we got pregnant, and then we just decided we weren't ready.
00:46:30.000 What would have been so terrible?
00:46:31.000 Let me just ask a counterfactual for a second.
00:46:33.000 What would have been so terrible about you not murdering your baby?
00:46:35.000 What would have been so bad about that?
00:46:38.000 Well, I mean, there had been one good thing, which is that you wouldn't have killed the baby.
00:46:40.000 That would have been good.
00:46:41.000 But let's say that it was really troublesome.
00:46:43.000 You're 21.
00:46:43.000 I mean, I love that in our society, 21 is a kid, right?
00:46:46.000 You have a long-term boyfriend.
00:46:47.000 You're old enough to be in college and have sex as much as you want, but you're not old enough to be a mom.
00:46:52.000 Right?
00:46:53.000 And you just can't handle it.
00:46:54.000 And I couldn't handle it.
00:46:55.000 Guess what?
00:46:56.000 There are a lot of things in life that are tough to handle.
00:46:58.000 Doesn't mean you get to kill them.
00:47:00.000 Right?
00:47:00.000 What happens when you have a bad day with your 14 year old Amy?
00:47:03.000 You just put him out to pasture?
00:47:04.000 What exactly happens there?
00:47:06.000 It's so vile to deny the humanity of something just because it's convenient to you.
00:47:12.000 And no point here does she actually acknowledge that what was inside of her was a growing human being.
00:47:18.000 That's key to her.
00:47:19.000 Because the minute she acknowledges that, then this whole sham falls apart.
00:47:22.000 You can't have the inspirational music when you're talking about, it's all euphemisms.
00:47:27.000 I realized that I was pregnant and then I just decided I couldn't handle it and stuff happened.
00:47:31.000 It's all euphemisms.
00:47:32.000 Well, what kind of stuff happened?
00:47:33.000 Did you go to the grocery store?
00:47:34.000 Like, what exactly happened?
00:47:35.000 Or did it turn out that they put instruments up into your womb to cut out a living human?
00:47:41.000 Right?
00:47:41.000 Is it possible that it was that?
00:47:43.000 A growing human inside you that had a heartbeat and that was going to have a life.
00:47:47.000 Is it possible that maybe that was a bad thing?
00:47:49.000 It's all euphemisms.
00:47:50.000 This is why I've encouraged Republicans, don't use the euphemisms.
00:47:53.000 Don't use the euphemisms.
00:47:55.000 This isn't abortion.
00:47:56.000 It's not termination of a pregnancy.
00:47:57.000 It's killing of a growing human child inside you.
00:48:01.000 I feel very strongly about this, but my feelings don't matter.
00:48:04.000 I mean, the science is what really matters here.
00:48:06.000 But just on a personal note, my wife is now 29, 30 weeks pregnant, and the baby's kicking up a storm.
00:48:13.000 Kicking up a storm.
00:48:14.000 There are still states in this country where she could go into a doctor and have that baby chopped up in the womb.
00:48:21.000 There are still states in this country where that is legal.
00:48:25.000 And Amy Brenneman would celebrate that as my wife's choice.
00:48:28.000 As my wife's choice.
00:48:30.000 When I've compared abortion to slavery, I've said there's nothing more evil than the idea that you get to decide what's human and what's not based on your own personal convenience.
00:48:37.000 That's what slaveholders did?
00:48:38.000 Well, it's on my property.
00:48:39.000 If it's on my property, it's a slave.
00:48:41.000 If it's on my property, that's not a person, that's my property.
00:48:44.000 Well, just because your womb is your property doesn't mean that what's inside your womb you get to target and destroy and define as something convenient to you.
00:48:52.000 It really is gross.
00:48:53.000 This whole celebrate evil... And this isn't just... Remember safe, legal, and rare?
00:48:57.000 Remember when that was the slogan?
00:48:59.000 That it was immoral, but we wanted it to be safe, legal, and rare?
00:49:01.000 Forget that.
00:49:02.000 Now we're gonna celebrate it openly.
00:49:04.000 The open celebration of evil.
00:49:05.000 We're moving toward a very dark time in the country morally.
00:49:08.000 Morals have gone by the wayside in favor of what is personally beneficial to you.
00:49:14.000 And so, it's... I think...
00:49:17.000 Really important to recognize that we are on the precipice here, and if we don't start teaching our kids a basic morality, basic constitutionalism, basic founding philosophies, don't leave it to the government, don't leave it to the entertainment industry, infiltrate industries, take over industries, really fight back, create a movement, not just getting behind the latest demagogue, then there's so much left that we can still lose.
00:49:38.000 On the other hand, there's still so much that we can gain.
00:49:41.000 I'll be back tomorrow to talk more about how we do that.
00:49:43.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is The Ben Shapiro Show.