The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 98 - Trump Thinks His Supporters Are Idiots

00:00:00.000 Well, here we are.

00:00:01.000 We finally made it to a Thursday and another busy week for The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:05.000 And we start today by talking to you, Donald Trump supporters.

00:00:09.000 So, you believe in Donald Trump and he believes in you.

00:00:12.000 He says he will fight for you.

00:00:14.000 In fact, he loves you.

00:00:15.000 He says so openly, he shouts his love into the nearest microphone at every available opportunity.

00:00:21.000 And then there's actually what Donald Trump thinks of you. 0.91

00:00:23.000 And he thinks that you're a bunch of rubes. 1.00

00:00:25.000 Here are four indicators that Donald Trump thinks that you are a bunch of rubes. 1.00

00:00:28.000 First of all, he thinks you're losers. 0.99

00:00:30.000 So yesterday Donald Trump says he likes to surround himself with losers to make himself feel better. 0.98

00:00:34.000 He said, quote, you'll find when you become very successful, the people you will like best are the people that are less successful than you.

00:00:41.000 Because when you go to a table,

00:00:42.000 You can tell them all the wonderful stories and they'll sit back and listen.

00:00:46.000 Always be around unsuccessful people because everybody will respect you.

00:00:50.000 Are you listening, Trump fans? 1.00

00:00:52.000 He also thinks you're stupid. 1.00

00:00:53.000 Back after winning the Nevada caucuses, Trump rejoiced. 1.00

00:00:56.000 We won with the poorly educated.

00:00:58.000 I love the poorly educated.

00:01:00.000 There's a reason for that.

00:01:01.000 Trump thinks he can manipulate you into basically feeling anything.

00:01:05.000 Here's what he told the New York Times editorial board about how he manipulates Trump fans, people like you. 1.00

00:01:09.000 He said, quote, In other words, you're a bunch of idiots. 1.00

00:01:12.000 That's what he thinks of you. 1.00

00:01:13.000 This is what Trump thinks of you.

00:01:14.000 He also thinks you don't care about his changing positions.

00:01:26.000 He says this constantly.

00:01:28.000 He says he never changes his positions, he's constant as the Northern Star, except he changes his positions pretty much all the time and he admits it to you.

00:01:36.000 He said in an open debate just about three weeks ago, quote, I've never seen a successful person who wasn't flexible and who didn't have a certain degree of flexibility.

00:01:44.000 He was talking about immigration policy at the time, which is supposed to be your big issue.

00:01:48.000 He apparently told the New York Times off the record his immigration position was just sort of an opening bargaining stance for negotiation.

00:01:54.000 And when he was asked to release the tape, he said he couldn't because, you know, it was off the record.

00:01:59.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:02:00.000 Off the record is a protection for the subject of journalists, not for the journalists themselves.

00:02:06.000 Finally, Donald Trump thinks that you will worship him no matter what he does and no matter where you go.

00:02:11.000 When he said in January he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and gun somebody down and he wouldn't lose voters, he wasn't really joking.

00:02:17.000 He actually thinks this, and he obviously believes this.

00:02:20.000 It's true to a certain extent.

00:02:21.000 His campaign manager can yank and grab and bruise a woman, and can deny that it ever happened and be caught on tape doing it, and then Trump can accuse the reporter of attacking Trump and trying to kill him with a pen bomb, and his supporters just go right along with it.

00:02:34.000 So, perhaps Trump is right about you.

00:02:36.000 Perhaps Trump is right about you. 1.00

00:02:37.000 Perhaps you are losers or stupid or you don't care about his positions. 1.00

00:02:41.000 Perhaps you ignore all of these things about Trump, you ignore his low opinion of you, because you think Trump can win. 1.00

00:02:48.000 That's at least arguable, but it's a position that really isn't supported by evidence.

00:02:51.000 Whatever the reason, the fact is this.

00:02:53.000 Donald Trump thinks he has you and can do anything he wants to you.

00:02:57.000 So far, a lot of you are proving Donald Trump right.

00:03:00.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:00.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:09.000 So, as you can see, we are not in our beautiful home studios in Los Angeles, California.

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00:04:27.000 So Donald Trump, let's start with Trump because he's always in the news cycle because he drives the news cycle now.

00:04:33.000 So Donald Trump, one of the big issues with Trump is that he clearly does not think deeply about issues like in any way.

00:04:39.000 And he doesn't even bother to do his research on issues.

00:04:41.000 Donald Trump's typical campaign strategy, and I've been saying this for literally months at this point, is when asked about a topic about which he knows very little, he takes the most extreme possible position, and then, if he doesn't get a good response, he sort of walks it back.

00:04:55.000 So he'll say, we completely shut the border, we built a giant wall, and everybody cheers, and he goes, ah, I was the first one there.

00:05:01.000 And then anybody else who takes a right-wing position

00:05:03.000 They must be imitating or copying Donald Trump, right?

00:05:06.000 That's the idea.

00:05:07.000 If he takes an extreme position that people don't like, right?

00:05:10.000 If he takes an extreme position that people find spurious, then he immediately walks it back.

00:05:16.000 He walks it back to a place that's more palatable.

00:05:18.000 So, yesterday's exercise in such verbal and ideological gymnastics

00:05:24.000 Was on the issue of abortion.

00:05:25.000 So Trump doesn't know anything about abortion.

00:05:27.000 Trump doesn't feel anything about abortion.

00:05:29.000 Trump became pro-life about 30 seconds before he decided to run for president at the ripe old age of 69.

00:05:34.000 He didn't have a road to Damascus conversion.

00:05:36.000 He doesn't even have a good why I became pro-life story like Mitt Romney did.

00:05:41.000 All he believes is that he has to say he's pro-life in order to win the nomination.

00:05:45.000 He's now said that he's pro-life, except for the exceptions.

00:05:48.000 Again, he doesn't even know what the exceptions are.

00:05:50.000 He just says, the exceptions, right?

00:05:52.000 Because he read two sentences on the issue.

00:05:55.000 And when he's pressed on it, he gets himself into hot water.

00:05:58.000 So he's on here with Chris Matthews over at MSNBC.

00:06:00.000 And Chris Matthews over at MSNBC, he's gonna trap Donald Trump talking about abortion.

00:06:05.000 How should women be punished on abortion? 1.00

00:06:07.000 Should women have to go to jail if they have an abortion? 1.00

00:06:09.000 What are you even talking about?

00:06:10.000 Let's talk about it.

00:06:11.000 Chris Matthews on MSNBC, go!

00:06:13.000 But the churches make their moral judgments, but you running for President of the United States will be Chief Executive of the United States.

00:06:18.000 Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?

00:06:22.000 The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

00:06:26.000 For the woman?

00:06:27.000 Yeah, there has to be some form.

00:06:28.000 Let me just tell you, I don't know.

00:06:31.000 That I don't know.

00:06:31.000 Why not?

00:06:32.000 You take positions in everything else.

00:06:33.000 Frankly, I do take positions in everything else.

00:06:35.000 It's a very complicated position.

00:06:37.000 So, you can see there that he's asked a question.

00:06:40.000 He hasn't thought about it at all, right?

00:06:41.000 It's never even occurred to him, this particular question.

00:06:44.000 And the hamster wheel is turning, but it's not turning very fast, because the hamster in there is not particularly powerful.

00:06:49.000 And then he settles on a decision, and then he just spits it out, but he still hasn't thought it through.

00:06:53.000 So he says, yeah, there should be some sort of punishment.

00:06:55.000 OK, two things.

00:06:56.000 One, if you really wanted to avoid the question, what he could have said is Roe versus Wade talks about how the federal government, the federal government

00:07:04.000 Has to sort of take over the abortion issue, right?

00:07:06.000 There's a federal right to abortion. 1.00

00:07:08.000 If Roe v. Wade is overturned, all of this will go back to the states.

00:07:11.000 My opinion as president is not important here.

00:07:14.000 The states will decide that, right?

00:07:15.000 He could have taken the Federalist position.

00:07:17.000 That's an easy position to take, a politically palatable decision to take, and also a legally smart decision to take, right?

00:07:23.000 I mean, that's true.

00:07:24.000 These will all devolve into state laws.

00:07:27.000 He could also theoretically come out and he could say, I want a constitutional amendment that protects human life.

00:07:32.000 And then it's up to the states to implement that, right?

00:07:35.000 You don't get to kill babies.

00:07:37.000 There are a bunch of ways you could have answered this without even answering the question.

00:07:39.000 But let's say you wanted to answer the question head-on.

00:07:41.000 How would you prosecute for abortion?

00:07:44.000 Well, every pro-life group in the world says that Trump got this wrong.

00:07:48.000 And there are a couple of reasons why that is.

00:07:50.000 One is political, one is practical, and one is moral.

00:07:52.000 So there are really three.

00:07:53.000 So the political reason is because it is politically unpalatable to say that women who have abortions should go to jail.

00:07:59.000 It's politically unpalatable.

00:08:01.000 It's never been politically palatable.

00:08:02.000 It's not a winning issue.

00:08:04.000 For the same reason that a lot of Republicans will say that they support exceptions for rape and incest because they believe, okay, fine, let's make illegal the other 98% of abortions and then we'll talk about these.

00:08:14.000 A lot of Republicans find it politically unfeasible or infeasible to push forward the idea that women should go to jail.

00:08:20.000 That's the political reason.

00:08:21.000 Openly political, has nothing to do with morality or practicality.

00:08:25.000 Next is the practical reason.

00:08:27.000 So,

00:08:28.000 For folks who don't know, even when abortion was illegal in the United States, in most of the United States, women were almost never prosecuted.

00:08:34.000 So abortion law was generally construed and was generally written to punish the abortion doctors.

00:08:40.000 Why?

00:08:41.000 Because that was the easiest way to shut down abortion and the most practical way to stop abortion.

00:08:46.000 There were laws against self-induced abortion, and there were rare cases in which women were prosecuted for that, but it turns out that if you get rid of a woman's access to abortion, if you get rid of her access to the accomplice in killing the baby, or the contractor in killing the baby, then you have prevented her from having the abortion, effectively speaking.

00:09:04.000 It's the same sort of logic that says, we have scarce resources, don't bother prosecuting the drug user, go after the drug dealer.

00:09:11.000 We have scarce resources, don't go after the low-level guy, go after the criminal who's actually pushing.

00:09:16.000 So that's the logic there.

00:09:17.000 So I've given you the political reason and the practical reason.

00:09:20.000 And again, for 150 years in the country, before Roe v. Wade, that was the case.

00:09:24.000 Very, very few women were prosecuted for actual abortion.

00:09:27.000 Now the moral argument.

00:09:28.000 And this one is a little bit dicier, because

00:09:30.000 Folks on the left trying to force people on the right into the politically unpalatable position.

00:09:35.000 They say, you say abortion is murder. 0.93

00:09:37.000 If a woman kills her baby, isn't that murder? 0.98

00:09:39.000 And shouldn't she be prosecuted as such? 0.93

00:09:41.000 And they can make the case even stronger, right?

00:09:43.000 Now, I want to be intellectually honest to the leftist argument here, because I don't think that it's completely non-meritorious in terms of trying to hold people to their own logic.

00:09:52.000 When the left says, okay, so a woman has a premature baby at seven months, and she takes the baby and dumps it in a dumpster, how is that morally different from the woman going in and having the baby killed?

00:10:02.000 Right?

00:10:03.000 How is that any morally different?

00:10:04.000 So there are two reasons that it's morally different.

00:10:07.000 One is because the fact is that pro-life people

00:10:12.000 Thank you.

00:10:31.000 You don't know right from wrong.

00:10:32.000 If you want to see evidence of this, look at the argument that I had with a woman the other night at Salisbury University.

00:10:39.000 She was saying that a baby all the way up to the point of birth was not a baby, it was a cluster of cells.

00:10:44.000 This is the lie that women have been told and have bought into. 1.00

00:10:47.000 If they're not even aware that they're killing a human being, it's hard to prosecute them for the killing of the human being on a moral level.

00:10:52.000 These women are victims of brainwashing by the left, by the media, by the press, and by abortion clinics. 0.99

00:10:59.000 So that's one moral reason why women should not be prosecuted, because they're ignorant of the actual morality here. 1.00

00:11:05.000 The second is because women are very often pressured into the abortion by the abortionists, who deprive them of the resources to make a fully cognizant 0.99

00:11:13.000 So, Ben Carson basically expresses what everybody thinks about Trump at this point, which is Trump is ignorant. 0.99

00:11:18.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about. 0.98

00:11:20.000 Here's Ben Carson saying here's why Trump got it wrong.

00:11:37.000 So Donald Trump, though this was all happened in the space of just a couple hours this afternoon, you know, first he said the woman, then he said no, not the woman, the abortion provider, the woman's a victim.

00:11:47.000 Can a president reverse himself so quickly on such a fundamental issue?

00:11:54.000 Well, bear in mind, I don't believe that he was warned that that question was coming, and I don't think he really had a chance to really think about it.

00:12:04.000 That happens very frequently, and, you know, what you develop with experience is how to answer that in a way that

00:12:15.000 is not definitive.

00:12:17.000 You know how politicians are.

00:12:19.000 He hasn't really learned that because he's not a politician.

00:12:22.000 But he has now had time to come back and think about it and to talk with his people about it and come up with a more rational and informed type of answer. 0.98

00:12:35.000 So in other words, Donald Trump is ignorant, doesn't know what he's talking about, and he went back to his people, they informed him what the right position was, now he'll repeat that. 0.98

00:12:43.000 But he won't be able to explain it, but he'll repeat it. 0.99

00:12:45.000 So, but Donald Trump isn't a politician, so we shouldn't hold him to the same standards.

00:12:49.000 If that's true, then what you would imagine is that Donald Trump should double down on his non-politician-ness.

00:12:54.000 I mean, again, there's an argument that's being put out there by Trump fans that I just don't get.

00:12:58.000 It doesn't make any logical sense.

00:13:00.000 Trump isn't a politician.

00:13:01.000 That's why I like him.

00:13:03.000 Okay, if Trump isn't a politician, that should say a couple of things to you.

00:13:07.000 One, he's going to be more blunt and more honest than the politicians, right?

00:13:10.000 That's the idea.

00:13:11.000 So, that's a good thing, right?

00:13:13.000 The idea is that he's not a politician.

00:13:15.000 And the second thing they say that is now in complete conflict with that is, but he's learning.

00:13:19.000 But he's learning.

00:13:20.000 But I thought that you wanted a non-politician.

00:13:22.000 You don't want somebody learning to be a politician.

00:13:24.000 You want him in his non-politician state. 0.99

00:13:28.000 It's asinine.

00:13:29.000 I mean, saying that you like him because he's not a politician, but don't worry, he's evolving into a politician, that's not an argument. 0.95

00:13:36.000 That's not an argument in favor of Trump.

00:13:39.000 That's an argument that

00:13:40.000 He's malleable, and that he moves according to the dictates of the time, and that he's a really cynical player in all of this.

00:13:47.000 But no one ever expects logic, unfortunately, of a certain subset of Trump reporters and backers.

00:13:53.000 The idea, again, that Trump's an outsider, that he's a businessman, he doesn't know this stuff.

00:13:58.000 You know, that comment was wrong.

00:13:59.000 And really, it's the latest demonstration of how little Donald has thought about any of the serious issues facing this country.

00:14:26.000 I am pro-life.

00:14:28.000 Being pro-life means standing and defending the unborn, but it also means defending moms, defending women, and defending the incredible gift women have to bring life into the world.

00:14:39.000 And Donald's comments, they were unfortunate, they were wrong, and I strongly disagree with them.

00:14:44.000 Okay.

00:14:45.000 And of course he's exactly right there.

00:14:47.000 Charles Krauthammer actually hits the nail on the head better.

00:14:49.000 He explains that it's not just about Trump being wrong.

00:14:51.000 It's about this is how Trump operates.

00:14:53.000 He doesn't, he doesn't have even a basic grasp of policy.

00:14:56.000 He doesn't think about things. 1.00

00:14:58.000 He just spouts whatever comes out of his crazy brain. 0.99

00:15:00.000 Here's Charles Krauthammer. 0.98

00:15:01.000 It's not that he got it wrong.

00:15:04.000 It's that, but it shows about his attitude towards the facts or towards issues.

00:15:10.000 This is fairly elementary.

00:15:12.000 Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, who's been in this issue for decades, was explaining that what troubled him is that at the beginning of this, Trump said, many conservatives, many Republicans, think the woman ought to be punished.

00:15:28.000 Perkins said, anybody who's been on this issue, who knows the pro-life community, who knows what the arguments are and what people really believe, knows that is not true.

00:15:38.000 That is not the position of anybody on the pro-life side.

00:15:42.000 That is the position that the pro-choice people attribute this kind of hard-heartedness

00:15:48.000 To the pro-life side.

00:15:50.000 And that's apparently what Trump imbibed.

00:15:52.000 And the problem isn't only that he got it wrong.

00:15:55.000 It isn't only, as Charlie indicates, he really ought to spend the time and get this right.

00:15:59.000 But it is the lack of curiosity.

00:16:02.000 We were talking about this earlier in one of his debates.

00:16:05.000 He obviously had no idea when asked about the nuclear triad, which anybody who knows anything about foreign policy has heard about, looked at, and would know.

00:16:13.000 But that's okay.

00:16:15.000 The problem was it was a later debate.

00:16:17.000 When the nuclear triad came up and he still didn't know, which indicates that in the interval he didn't even look it up on Google.

00:16:24.000 And that takes 30 seconds.

00:16:26.000 And that's exactly right.

00:16:27.000 That's exactly right.

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00:17:17.000 Okay, so it's not just that Trump is ignorant about abortion. 0.99

00:17:26.000 He's ignorant about pretty much everything. 0.99

00:17:27.000 And again, I'm gonna make the argument in a second that it's also that he's unable to win, which is the other counter-argument. 0.99

00:17:35.000 The argument has been, he's not a politician, he's learning.

00:17:37.000 As I say, I find that argument not only unpersuasive,

00:17:40.000 But self-contradictory.

00:17:42.000 And then the argument is, but he's still going to win.

00:17:44.000 And I'll explain to you why this is false in just a moment. 1.00

00:17:47.000 But let's finish up with the demonstration that Donald Trump is just ignorant. 0.97

00:17:51.000 So yesterday, we played tape of Donald Trump talking about how the functions of the federal government include education, health care, and housing. 0.97

00:17:58.000 A position absolutely indistinguishable from that of Bernie Sanders.

00:18:02.000 I mean, it's a far-left position.

00:18:03.000 He also said yesterday that he wants to appoint justices to the Supreme Court who will investigate Hillary Clinton's emails, which doesn't even make any sense.

00:18:11.000 I mean, that's just nonsensical.

00:18:13.000 Coming from the same guy who said judges sign bills, I guess it makes some sense, but apparently judges are both the executive branch and the legislative branch and the judicial branch.

00:18:23.000 They do all of these things.

00:18:24.000 It's amazing. 0.99

00:18:25.000 But he's also just as ignorant on foreign policy. 0.99

00:18:27.000 So here's Donald Trump yesterday. 0.99

00:18:29.000 He starts talking for some reason about the Geneva Conventions and listen to this pile of nonsense. 0.89

00:18:35.000 Here we go.

00:18:37.000 I have been trying to think how we could conceivably use a nuclear weapon in the Middle East or in Europe in fighting ISIS.

00:18:43.000 Where can you, and why put it on the table or leave it on the table if you can't imagine where to use it?

00:18:47.000 I didn't say don't take it.

00:18:48.000 I said I would be very, very slow and hesitant.

00:18:51.000 Why would you just say I don't want to talk about it?

00:18:53.000 I don't want to talk about nuclear weapons.

00:18:54.000 Presidents don't talk about the use of nuclear weapons.

00:18:56.000 The question was asked.

00:18:56.000 We're talking about NATO, which, by the way, I say is obsolete.

00:18:59.000 But you got hooked into something you shouldn't have talked about.

00:19:01.000 I don't think.

00:19:02.000 I think.

00:19:02.000 Well, someday, maybe.

00:19:04.000 Maybe?

00:19:05.000 Of course.

00:19:05.000 Where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the Middle East?

00:19:08.000 Let me explain.

00:19:09.000 Somebody hits us with an ISIS, you wouldn't fight back? 1.00

00:19:12.000 No, to drop a nuclear weapon to a community of people.

00:19:15.000 First of all, you don't want to say take everything off the table.

00:19:17.000 No, just nuclear.

00:19:18.000 You're a bad negotiator if you do that.

00:19:19.000 Just nuclear.

00:19:20.000 Look, nuclear should be off the table.

00:19:22.000 But would there be a time when it could be used?

00:19:24.000 Possibly.

00:19:25.000 Okay, the trouble is, when you said that, the whole world heard.

00:19:27.000 David Cameron in Britain heard it.

00:19:28.000 The Japanese, when we bombed them in 1945, heard it. 1.00

00:19:30.000 They're hearing a guy running for President of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons.

00:19:34.000 Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.

00:19:36.000 Then why are we making them?

00:19:37.000 Why do we make them?

00:19:38.000 We have nuclear weapons.

00:19:39.000 Because of the all-mutual-assured destruction, which Reagan hated.

00:19:41.000 Just so you understand, I was against Iraq. 0.88

00:19:42.000 I'd be the last one to use the nuclear weapons.

00:19:44.000 So can you take it off the table now?

00:19:45.000 That's sort of like the end of the ballgame.

00:19:46.000 Can you tell the Middle East we're not using a nuclear weapon on anybody?

00:19:48.000 I would never say that.

00:19:50.000 ...any of my cards off the table.

00:19:51.000 How about Europe?

00:19:52.000 We won't use it in Europe.

00:19:53.000 I'm not going to take it off the table.

00:19:54.000 You might use it in Europe.

00:19:56.000 No, I don't think so, but I'm not taking... Well, just say it.

00:19:58.000 I would never use it in Europe.

00:20:00.000 I am not taking cards off the table.

00:20:02.000 I'm not going to use nukes, but I'm not taking any cards off the table.

00:20:04.000 The trouble is the sane people hear you, and the insane people are not affected by your threats.

00:20:08.000 That's the trouble.

00:20:10.000 The real fanatics say, good, keep it up.

00:20:11.000 I think they're more affected than you might think.

00:20:15.000 Okay.

00:20:31.000 I mean, Chris Matthews mentions mutually assured destruction.

00:20:33.000 Right.

00:20:34.000 If you say that you'll never use a nuclear weapon at any point, it's not mutually assured destruction anymore.

00:20:38.000 I mean, the point of mutually assured destruction is if you use a nuke, I will use a nuke against you.

00:20:43.000 Therefore, neither of us use nukes.

00:20:44.000 You can't take the use off the table.

00:20:47.000 But the fact that he won't take it off the table in Europe, what is he even talking about?

00:20:50.000 Like, when would we use a nuclear weapon in Europe?

00:20:52.000 He won't take that off the table now?

00:20:54.000 Okay, and that's not even the worst thing he said.

00:20:56.000 The worst thing he said was clip five, where he talks about the Geneva Conventions, because he clearly doesn't know what the Geneva Conventions are.

00:21:02.000 Here's what he had to say.

00:21:04.000 He said, the problem is, we have the Geneva Conventions, all sorts of rules and regulations, so the soldiers are afraid to fight.

00:21:10.000 And the Geneva Conventions don't make the soldiers afraid to fight.

00:21:12.000 Rules of engagement make the soldiers afraid to fight if they are too narrowly drawn.

00:21:17.000 But the Geneva Conventions have been around since World War II and prior, so again, it's just basic ignorance.

00:21:24.000 Now, the other argument in favor of Trump, aside from the he's blunt, he says it like it is, which he doesn't.

00:21:29.000 I mean, you can hear in that interview with Matthews, he flips himself twice on nuclear weapons in the course of 35 seconds.

00:21:35.000 He flipped himself on abortion yesterday over the course of an hour.

00:21:38.000 He flips himself routinely all the time.

00:21:40.000 The other argument is that he can win.

00:21:42.000 He can win.

00:21:44.000 There's only one problem with this argument. 0.77

00:21:45.000 It is utter nonsense.

00:21:46.000 Donald Trump is currently losing the white male vote in the United States, which is supposed to be his big, his big crowd is the white males, right? 0.83

00:21:52.000 They're going to show up.

00:21:53.000 They're going to vote 70% for him.

00:21:55.000 He's going to win white people like Romney never won white people.

00:21:58.000 This is Ann Coulter's argument today.

00:22:00.000 Not true.

00:22:00.000 Okay.

00:22:00.000 In the polls, he is doing far worse than Romney among whites, among Hispanics, among blacks, among every subgroup.

00:22:06.000 Donald Trump does not do well among white voters.

00:22:09.000 He does well among a certain subset of older white

00:22:13.000 Quasi-populist voters, but he doesn't do well among white voters in general.

00:22:17.000 He's dramatically underdrawing among all groups in any broad poll.

00:22:21.000 John Dickerson says this over at CBS News, you know, Dickerson's a lefty, but what he's saying here is correct.

00:22:26.000 Clip 10, Trump's numbers are now toxic.

00:22:28.000 He's now entered the basically, if you ever saw Back to the Future 3,

00:22:33.000 There was a point where the train is running toward what they call Eastwood Ravine later, and the train is running toward Eastwood Ravine, and there's a point of no return, right?

00:22:41.000 It's a barricade that they've put up.

00:22:43.000 If the train goes past this, we can't stop the train.

00:22:46.000 We have to get it up to 88 miles an hour.

00:22:47.000 Trump is now past the point of no return, but there's no getting off the train, and it's headed for Eastwood Ravine.

00:22:52.000 Here's Dickerson making that point.

00:22:54.000 But we've also seen something else, which is that in the general election, when you look at his numbers, both among women, but then the larger public, his numbers are toxic in terms of his unfavorability rating.

00:23:05.000 So it may not matter with his supporters at the moment, but it does collect.

00:23:09.000 And cause a problem for him.

00:23:11.000 One other thing I'd say is when I talk to Republican lawmakers, it's the Trump campaign is one constant diet of unpredictability and drama and they think about what's this gonna look like in the general election where he's hurting maybe not just his brand but the entire Republican brand.

00:23:25.000 And this is right.

00:23:26.000 And again, if you look at the polls, the polls do not bear out the idea that Trump is going to overperform, that he's going to do incredibly well.

00:23:32.000 I'm looking at some of the numbers right now.

00:23:33.000 He currently has an 80% unfavorable rating with young voters.

00:23:37.000 An 80% unfavorable rating with young voters.

00:23:40.000 Okay?

00:23:40.000 That means no one, and I can testify to this, young Republicans cannot stand Donald Trump.

00:23:45.000 They cannot stand him.

00:23:46.000 When I'm speaking to college students right now, and I'm speaking to them every single day,

00:23:51.000 The only people who like Donald Trump are old white men over the age of 60.

00:23:54.000 And if you look at how he's doing with white groups, with swing voting groups, I mean, these numbers are awful.

00:24:00.000 I'm looking at a poll today from the Washington Post, ABC News.

00:24:04.000 His favorable, unfavorable ratings.

00:24:06.000 Okay, his favorable, unfavorable ratings.

00:24:08.000 He is underwater by 37%.

00:24:09.000 67% of all Americans view him unfavorably.

00:24:15.000 51% view Ted Cruz unfavorably, 52% view Clinton unfavorably, 67% view Donald Trump unfavorably.

00:24:22.000 Among white women, 68% view Donald Trump unfavorably.

00:24:26.000 Among white college graduates, white college graduates, 74% view him unfavorably.

00:24:32.000 Okay, even among white men.

00:24:33.000 Even among white men.

00:24:34.000 This is supposed to be his group, right?

00:24:36.000 He's supposed to be doing great with white men.

00:24:37.000 51- and this is Republican-leaning white men, right?

00:24:41.000 Republican-leaning groups?

00:24:42.000 Okay, white men?

00:24:45.000 51% have a negative opinion of Donald Trump.

00:24:47.000 So a majority of white men, his group, don't like Donald Trump.

00:24:51.000 White evangelical Protestants, 56% don't like him.

00:24:54.000 Conservatives, 53% don't like him.

00:24:57.000 Non-college whites, right? 0.86

00:24:58.000 That's his people.

00:24:59.000 Non-college whites, 52% say they do not like him, as opposed to 45% who say that they do like him.

00:25:06.000 He's a deeply unpopular figure.

00:25:07.000 He's 85% unpopular among Hispanics, 80% among blacks, 80% among 18-34, 75% unpopular among moderates.

00:25:15.000 These numbers are awful.

00:25:17.000 Awful.

00:25:17.000 A majority of every single subgroup in the United States dislikes Donald Trump.

00:25:22.000 This is the guy who's going to win a big swath of the voting that he wasn't able to win?

00:25:28.000 That's what it was?

00:25:28.000 He's going to bring everybody to victory?

00:25:33.000 You really have to buy into miracles in politics to believe that. 1.00

00:25:38.000 One of the reasons for this is because Donald Trump is just an awful, awful liar. 0.99

00:25:42.000 And I want to make something clear, if I didn't make it clear yesterday about the Michelle Fields story. 0.99

00:25:46.000 First of all, what Michelle said was true, but that wasn't the real story.

00:25:49.000 The real story was that Donald Trump and Corey Lewandowski, instead of just apologizing,

00:25:54.000 Instead of Trump disciplining Corey Lewandowski, or suspending him for grabbing a woman and bruising her, they decided to smear her and lie about it, and they continue to lie about it.

00:26:02.000 Women everywhere are watching. 1.00

00:26:04.000 Decent human beings everywhere are watching.

00:26:06.000 And again, if you watch the tape, there's one thing that is incontrovertible.

00:26:10.000 This is why when people say that the tape of Lewandowski and Michelle Fields exonerates Lewandowski, of what?

00:26:17.000 Of what?

00:26:18.000 He grabs her, he yanks her. 0.93

00:26:20.000 That's on the tape.

00:26:21.000 I don't know what, what are you missing here?

00:26:24.000 In order for you to say it exonerates Lewandowski, you have to inflate Michelle's original claims to unbelievable proportions, proportions to which she didn't inflate them.

00:26:35.000 And you see all these Trumpsters, these Trumpkins, now pushing out the video of Michelle on Megyn Kelly, talking about how it was the worst incident of her life, or this was the worst day of her life.

00:26:45.000 The reason it was the worst day of her life, gang, was not because she was grabbed by Corey Lewandowski.

00:26:49.000 It's because she was then subjected to an immense amount of blowback from people who should have been defending her.

00:26:55.000 And it's because she was smeared by a presidential candidate. 0.99

00:26:57.000 I mean, that's rough stuff.

00:26:58.000 She just moved out of her apartment, Michelle did, because BuzzFeed and Fox News ran the arrest report publicly with her address on it, and she's been hit with a bunch of death threats.

00:27:06.000 And they're just charming people.

00:27:08.000 So here is Chris Matthews over in Amitabh State asking Donald Trump over in Amitabh State about Corey Lewandowski, campaign manager.

00:27:14.000 Go! 0.95

00:27:15.000 Let me ask you about this thing the other day with your campaign manager.

00:27:18.000 Do you think you're going to handle it differently from the start?

00:27:21.000 With maybe an apology to the young woman reporter?

00:27:23.000 Something like that?

00:27:24.000 Maybe give her an interview?

00:27:26.000 Something to de-escalate the issue and show respect for her?

00:27:29.000 Have you done that before?

00:27:30.000 I don't think so.

00:27:31.000 I think if he called up to apologize, I think you'd be in the exact same place.

00:27:34.000 And people that have seen that tape are going, give me a break.

00:27:37.000 You have to be kidding me.

00:27:38.000 But there was contact?

00:27:40.000 What's contact?

00:27:41.000 I mean, there's contact every time... That's what this law says.

00:27:43.000 It's unwanted touching, unwanted... I'm walking, yeah, but she contacted me.

00:27:47.000 It's simple battery.

00:27:47.000 Excuse me.

00:27:48.000 She grabbed my arm twice. 0.94

00:27:50.000 You see the picture of me looking like, who is this person?

00:27:53.000 And getting her off me.

00:27:54.000 What do you make of the bruises on the picture?

00:27:56.000 Uh, I don't know who created those bruises.

00:27:58.000 I really don't know.

00:27:59.000 I mean, you know, two days later she comes in and she said she had some bruises.

00:28:02.000 I don't... But this kind of argument just infuriates her and a lot of women because you're not showing belief in her credibility.

00:28:09.000 Why would she make up a story about bruises?

00:28:11.000 Why would anybody do that?

00:28:12.000 Fifteen minutes away, in front of a very large crowd, I gave a speech and we talked about that.

00:28:17.000 And I said, who saw the tape?

00:28:18.000 And everybody raised, almost a lot of people raised their hand.

00:28:21.000 I'd say three quarters raised their hand.

00:28:23.000 Big audience.

00:28:25.000 I said, who thinks he did something really wrong?

00:28:28.000 I said, stand up please, or raise your hand if you don't want to stand up.

00:28:32.000 Not one person in the room, your cameras were there, not one person in the room raised their hand.

00:28:38.000 We're getting, it's out of control.

00:28:40.000 Political correctness, whatever you want to call it.

00:28:43.000 It's totally out of control.

00:28:43.000 What's the right approach though?

00:28:45.000 If you accidentally bump into somebody, accidentally trip them, you say, I'm sorry.

00:28:49.000 Don't you show some apology and respect for the other person?

00:28:52.000 Yeah, I think that's fine.

00:28:53.000 I mean, I think that's fine.

00:28:53.000 Wouldn't that have been appropriate here?

00:28:54.000 I'm not sure he didn't maybe even say it there.

00:28:57.000 What he was doing is, in my opinion, just in watching the tape, because nobody even remembers the incident because it was so minor, it's not like they, you know, got your... Even the police remember it.

00:29:08.000 He's an outright horrible lie. 0.93

00:29:10.000 He's just making facts up off the top of his head. 0.85

00:29:12.000 He says in the same interview, by the way, that Michelle was fired from Breitbart, which is an outright lie.

00:29:16.000 And then he says right there, well, I'm not sure he didn't apologize in the moment.

00:29:20.000 Really?

00:29:20.000 You're not sure he didn't apologize in the moment?

00:29:22.000 It's on tape.

00:29:23.000 I mean, it's just, and he says, oh, well, my crowd, you know, the people who watched the video, none of them thought something bad happened, right?

00:29:29.000 Because they're your fans and they've allowed their idolatry of you personally to cloud their basic human decency.

00:29:36.000 If you grab somebody by the arm and you bruise them, you apologize.

00:29:39.000 This is not hard.

00:29:39.000 And his lie, by the way, that if they'd apologized to Michelle, that she would have gone after them anyway, she went totally silent for 36 hours while Breitbart talked to them.

00:29:48.000 That's such nonsense. 0.93

00:29:49.000 It's utter nonsense off the top. 0.82

00:29:50.000 And even people who I generally like,

00:29:52.000 We're good to go.

00:30:08.000 I think there are bruises there, but it's quite clear she's lying when she said that he grabbed her and nearly tried to forcefully pull her to the ground that she lost her balance.

00:30:18.000 Trump is absolutely right, and it's one of the first things I noticed, that her face is placid the entire time, even if it were...

00:30:25.000 A justifiable touching, like in a subway, walking into a concert, in a bar.

00:30:29.000 And by the way, if that is a battery that we just saw on that screen, I've been thrown down and gang raped at bars and on the New York City subway.

00:30:38.000 But if that is such an egregious touching, Trump's right.

00:30:45.000 He could bring a lawsuit against her.

00:30:47.000 You would at least have some sort of

00:30:49.000 You'd have her face respond.

00:30:52.000 In some way, you don't see that.

00:30:53.000 You see their shoulders brushing past one another.

00:30:56.000 No, that's not what you see.

00:30:57.000 What you see is her arm being grabbed and her being pulled back forcefully. 0.97

00:31:00.000 That's what you see.

00:31:01.000 My God.

00:31:02.000 It's unbelievable.

00:31:03.000 It really is unbelievable.

00:31:04.000 The police know the same thing.

00:31:06.000 And by the way, Ann, you're the woman who stood up and fought the Clintons on behalf of Paula Jones.

00:31:12.000 You used to fight against this sort of stuff, okay?

00:31:14.000 This wasn't a rape, this wasn't a sexual assault.

00:31:16.000 She was bruised.

00:31:17.000 Did she make up the bruising?

00:31:19.000 I mean, is Anne now suggesting she made up the bruising? 0.99

00:31:21.000 The whole she-deserved-it or she-assaulted-Trump, which is even more ridiculous. 0.94

00:31:25.000 You want to hear the she-assaulted-Trump story? 0.94

00:31:27.000 Here's Pat Robertson making a fool of himself, talking about how Michelle Fields was a danger to the Republic, telling the old Trump story here that

00:31:34.000 And Michelle Fields was going after Trump with a pen and then like Jason Bourne was about to stab him in the throat when heroic Corey Lewandowski descended from the sky on a cable like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible and thrust her away from the presidential candidate. 0.96

00:31:46.000 Here's Pat Robertson telling that ridiculous story.

00:31:49.000 The female reporter rushed the candidate. 1.00

00:31:52.000 Where were the Secret Service people who were supposed to defend him?

00:31:56.000 But she could have had a knife, she could have had a gun, she could have had a bomb, but the Secret Service did nothing, and so now the aide is being sued.

00:32:08.000 Okay, first of all, the aid isn't being sued.

00:32:09.000 Second of all, that's such an absurd contention.

00:32:12.000 The tape is available. 1.00

00:32:14.000 Again, when your own eyes are telling you something, but your heart says follow Donald Trump, believe your eyes, because you're being a moron. 1.00

00:32:20.000 And then meanwhile, what are the Trumpsters really upset about today? 1.00

00:32:23.000 What the Trumpsters are really upset about today is they're upset about Ted Cruz making a joke on Jimmy Kimmel.

00:32:28.000 Here's the joke Ted Cruz told on Jimmy Kimmel, and people who are Trump fans are just up in arms about this.

00:32:33.000 It's clip 12.

00:32:35.000 And if I were in my car and getting ready to reverse and saw Donald in the backup camera, I'm not confident which pedal I'd put.

00:32:47.000 You know, everybody's clapping.

00:32:48.000 Is that a joke I wouldn't tell on national TV?

00:32:52.000 Yes. 0.67

00:32:52.000 Donald Trump says, however, that he would shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and nobody would care. 0.67

00:32:57.000 He says that his protesters should knock the crap out of people. 0.99

00:33:01.000 I mean, it's just... 0.96

00:33:02.000 There are two standards that have now been created in politics.

00:33:05.000 One for Donald Trump and one for everybody else.

00:33:08.000 And if you're a defender of Trump, you're willing to go after anybody else except for Trump.

00:33:12.000 He can lie.

00:33:12.000 He can cheat.

00:33:13.000 He can smear.

00:33:14.000 He can go after people's wives.

00:33:16.000 He can be violent.

00:33:17.000 Anything.

00:33:18.000 He can do anything.

00:33:19.000 And you will defend him.

00:33:20.000 And once we've hit that point, this is a cult.

00:33:22.000 This is no longer a political movement.

00:33:24.000 I hated it with Obama, and I hate it with Trump.

00:33:26.000 Idolatry is bad, folks. 0.92

00:33:27.000 Idolatry is bad.

00:33:29.000 Okay, time for something I like, then something I hate, and then a couple of entries from the mailbag.

00:33:34.000 So, first thing I like, great movie called All the King's Men.

00:33:38.000 I think we have the trailer.

00:33:39.000 Here's a little bit of the trailer for All the King's Men, 1949, best picture.

00:33:43.000 Broderick Crawford has a lot to say about our current political situation. 0.97

00:33:46.000 Don't watch the remake with Sean Penn, it's garbage.

00:33:48.000 Watch the original with Broderick Crawford, who won a Best Actor Oscar for this.

00:33:52.000 Here's a little bit of the preview.

00:33:58.000 The Pulitzer Prize novel becomes a vital, very great motion picture.

00:34:18.000 The story of a ruthless big shot, Willie Stark.

00:34:21.000 And for the last time, I tell you that nobody,

00:34:23.000 Do you hear me?

00:34:24.000 Nobody will tell me how to run this state!

00:34:26.000 His manners, his morals, and his women.

00:34:29.000 If I get a divorce... Maybe we better stop seeing each other.

00:34:34.000 No.

00:34:37.000 No, we won't stop seeing each other, will we?

00:34:40.000 Okay, it really is a terrific film, and it has a lot to say.

00:34:44.000 It starts off with Willie Stark, who's the character there.

00:34:46.000 He's actually a good guy.

00:34:47.000 He's kind of a rube who decides that he's going to fight the political machine, and then he becomes the political machine.

00:34:51.000 It shows how power corrupts.

00:34:53.000 It really was sort of a... The novel is written as a takeoff on Huey Long in Louisiana, and it really does have a lot to say.

00:34:59.000 Go check out All the King's Men.

00:35:00.000 Okay, Things I Hate.

00:35:01.000 So last night I spoke at University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, and I said at the very beginning of the speech,

00:35:08.000 That I would hope there- I knew there were a bunch of students there who disagreed wearing Black Lives Matter t-shirts, etc.

00:35:13.000 And I said, I'm really glad you showed up.

00:35:15.000 I'm looking forward to a productive conversation. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Let me just say, if you shout me down, you're a fascist. 0.99

00:35:19.000 And if you walk out, you're closed-minded. 0.96

00:35:22.000 And five minutes later, literally five minutes later, here's what happened.

00:35:25.000 Here's the tape.

00:35:28.000 There's the walkout.

00:35:41.000 Wow, it's really loud.

00:35:44.000 And yeah, it's just demonstrable that everything I said was true, and then they proved my point.

00:35:49.000 So thank you, leftists, for falling right into proving my entire point.

00:35:53.000 It's really spectacular.

00:35:55.000 OK, time for a couple of entries from the mailbag.

00:35:58.000 So here is the mailbag.

00:35:59.000 Thank you all for writing in.

00:36:01.000 And we'll do the same thing we do every week.

00:36:03.000 We'll do the same thing we do every week.

00:36:04.000 If you are a subscriber and you can see me on video, then I'm going to give you a number right now.

00:36:09.000 Put it in your email line, and you will be given first call in the mailbag.

00:36:13.000 And for all others, bshapiro at dailywire.com.

00:36:16.000 It's true for everybody.

00:36:17.000 Here is the number.

00:36:17.000 Okay, you got it?

00:36:23.000 You got it?

00:36:25.000 Okay, if you can see that.

00:36:25.000 Okay, great.

00:36:26.000 And okay, let's go to the mailbag now.

00:36:29.000 Here we go.

00:36:30.000 Alec writes, could you explain Senator Cruz's plan for monitoring Muslim neighborhoods?

00:36:34.000 A small piece in my school newspaper discussed it and called it racist and fear-mongering.

00:36:39.000 I don't think she's doing the ideas justice.

00:36:41.000 OK, what he's talking about is the same program, Alec, that the Bloomberg administration had in New York City and Giuliani before that.

00:36:48.000 And what that was, was basically in heavily Muslim neighborhoods, you have people who are police officers going to public areas and just kind of listening around.

00:36:56.000 That's perfectly well within constitutional limits.

00:37:00.000 We're not talking about deporting people for no reason.

00:37:02.000 We're not talking about grabbing lawyer taps on people for no reason.

00:37:05.000 We're talking about having more people on the ground in potential areas of terrorism.

00:37:10.000 Not very difficult and obviously well substantiated.

00:37:13.000 Great article from Commentary Magazine in 2012 talked specifically about this program.

00:37:17.000 You can go look it up.

00:37:18.000 Roman writes, what suggestion would Ben have for a high schooler who wants to become a political writer?

00:37:23.000 Any places to submit to?

00:37:24.000 Well, Roman, we don't tend to take too many submissions at Daily Wire itself, but I would recommend, I believe, Town Hall takes submissions, American Thinker takes submissions, Daily Caller sometimes takes submissions, right for free for anybody who will take you.

00:37:37.000 That's how I started.

00:37:38.000 And if you do that, at some point, if you're good, you'll start getting paid for it.

00:37:44.000 Ian writes,

00:37:55.000 No, the gold standard has a lot of validity in economics.

00:37:59.000 I'm myself of the Vienna School of Economics.

00:38:01.000 I don't believe in a constant rate of inflation from the federal government, because that's just fake money.

00:38:05.000 The reality is that services and goods have values, and those values are not dictated by how many dollars you print.

00:38:12.000 It's like saying that if I trade you one piece of paper for an apple, or if I trade you two pieces of paper for an apple, that really makes no difference, because the pieces of paper have no inherent value.

00:38:21.000 That's all that money is.

00:38:22.000 It's pieces of paper that say, I owe you more labor,

00:38:25.000 If the pieces of paper are doubled, and I'm giving you the same amount of labor, I haven't helped the economy in any way.

00:38:31.000 I'm very much in favor of the gold standard, or what they like to call the gold-pegged standard, which means that you take the value of gold, peg it to the dollar, and leave it there.

00:38:38.000 It doesn't mean that you have to, you know, be able to trade in one dollar for a silver, for a gold coin of dollars.

00:38:46.000 Okay, Enoch writes, how do you give a counter-argument who compares terrorist attacks to gun ownership?

00:38:51.000 For example, when an attack happens, their argument is that it's only a few people versus over 1 billion Muslims that exist.

00:38:56.000 And then we say, well, it happens that this religion is responsible for most of the attacks. 0.99

00:39:00.000 And then they say, how come when a few shootings happen, people don't blame gun owners or guns?

00:39:05.000 Okay, the reason is because if you are looking at ideology, I believe that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

00:39:12.000 I don't believe that bombs kill people.

00:39:14.000 People kill people.

00:39:15.000 So the idea is that whatever drives you is what creates the killing.

00:39:22.000 It's not the weapon itself.

00:39:23.000 It's whatever drives you is what creates the killing.

00:39:26.000 I think we have to run here because Clavin has to tape his new show.

00:39:31.000 So we'll drop it at this point, but we'll do more Mailbag next week, hopefully.

00:39:35.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:39:36.000 Have a good weekend, and make sure

00:39:38.000 That you stay out of trouble, particularly if you're near Donald Trump's campaign manager.

00:39:43.000 Make sure that you keep a healthy distance.

00:39:44.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:39:45.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - March 31, 2016

Ep. 98 - Trump Thinks His Supporters Are Idiots

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