The Ben Shapiro Show - May 05, 2021


Facebook's Anti-Free Speech Rulers Maintain Their Trump Ban | Ep. 1250


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1 hour and 6 minutes

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210.33116

Word Count

13,973

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934

Misogynist Sentences

22

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

It turns out, we were right all along about the ban of Donald Trump. The oversight board was made up of a bunch of people who don't even live in the United States. And yet, they agreed that the company was correct in their decision to ban Trump. What does that mean for the future of free speech on social media? And what does it mean for our economy and the economy in general? Today's show is sponsored by ExpressVPN. To secure your internet access, thousands of listeners have already secured their internet connections, join them at Express VPN.org/secureinternet and secure their internet access today. You can get a FREE information kit on Precious Metals IRA, or to speak with a Birchgold representative today. Text "BZ" to 474747 and get 20% off your first month with discount code "preciousmetals" at checkout! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and become a supporter of the show! Subscribe to the show and receive immediate access to all the latest episodes of The Ben Shapiro Show wherever you get your eardrums are listening to the newest episodes. You'll get access to the latest and greatest shows and the most up-to-date news and information, including the newest podcasts on the most popular podcasts, social medias, blogs, and everything else going on in the world. Ben Shapiro's newest podcast, wherever you listen to the most of the things going on around the internet. It's the most authentic, the best source for everything you can get the most information about the world's most authentic and the truth and culture, including blogs and everything you need to know about the most stuff going on anywhere and everywhere you're going to get the freshest and most authentic anywhere and anywhere you can find it anywhere, including your most authentic source of it, no matter what you're listening to it anywhere and everything that's going to be the most amazing thing, including everything you'll get it on it. . Links mentioned in the show is: This is The Daily Mail, The Financial Times, The Huffington Post, The Economist, The Independent, The New York Times, and more! The Independent Journalist, The Hill, The Daily Beast, The Atlantic, The Telegraph, The Sun, The Wall Street Journal, The Globe and much more. The Root, the Independent, and The Independent The Atlantic and more


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00:00:00.000 The Facebook Oversight Board says that the company was right to ban President Trump, war breaks out inside the House GOP over Liz Cheney, and the Democratic Party continues to promote economic, immigration, and COVID idiocy.
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00:01:35.000 Alrighty, so the big news today is that Facebook has decided, hey, yeah, it turns out that when we banned Trump on January 6th, we were right.
00:01:42.000 We were right all along.
00:01:43.000 So here's what you have to know.
00:01:45.000 Facebook, last year, set up what they called their Facebook Oversight Board.
00:01:49.000 And the Facebook Oversight Board was supposed to be this sort of outside independent group that Facebook did not control, that was supposed to make decisions.
00:01:56.000 It was sort of like an appellate court, that if somebody appealed a decision made by Facebook, it's either it's algorithms or it's employees, that you could appeal to this Facebook court, and the Facebook court would make a decision as to whether that person should have been suspended or banned or something.
00:02:09.000 And the constituency of the court was already weird, right?
00:02:11.000 The Oversight Board was already strange because it included a bunch of Various sort of advocates from a variety of countries, which, first of all, doesn't make any sense because the United States has the most open free speech standards on planet Earth.
00:02:25.000 We are more pro-free speech in the United States than they are in Canada or than they are in the UK, certainly in the rest of Europe.
00:02:31.000 And yet, the Oversight Board was made up of a bunch of people who don't even live in America.
00:02:34.000 There is like one third of the board was made up of Americans and the other two thirds were people who are not American.
00:02:39.000 Then it was made up of a bunch of people who are politically active.
00:02:43.000 It was not made politically diverse.
00:02:44.000 There were like a couple of people who were on the Facebook oversight board who could theoretically be considered conservative, and then the rest were not.
00:02:51.000 So they created basically an oversight board that was supposed to act as what sounded more like a PR agency for Facebook.
00:02:59.000 It would relieve Facebook of the responsibility.
00:03:01.000 They could always just say, listen, it wasn't us.
00:03:03.000 It was this independent body over here who decided that we were right or wrong to do what we did.
00:03:07.000 And the truth is that Facebook has always sort of wanted to do this.
00:03:10.000 This is why Facebook has said, we'd rather that you guys regulate us in government than that we regulate ourselves because they don't want the responsibility for this.
00:03:16.000 They just want to make money, right?
00:03:18.000 There's never been any clear standard applied either by Facebook within or by any party without.
00:03:23.000 So they've been searching for some way to shift responsibility from the decision makers at Facebook to some other body so they can just go about their business and do the social media-ing and not have to worry about what standards of free speech ought to apply or ought not to apply.
00:03:37.000 Now, that is a shift in Facebook's perspective from the past.
00:03:40.000 If you go back to 2010, if you go back to 2014, Mark Zuckerberg used to make statements routinely about how the goal here was to allow more speech, not less.
00:03:49.000 In 2019, he gave an excellent speech at Georgetown University in which he said the messiness of free speech is part and parcel of the right of free speech.
00:03:56.000 And we can either have a less messy First Amendment and more tyranny, or we can have a more messy First Amendment and less tyranny, which is exactly correct.
00:04:05.000 His standards on free speech sounded very much like the normal constitutional standards of free speech.
00:04:11.000 But then, there was pressure.
00:04:12.000 The pressure that was applied to Facebook in the aftermath of the 2016 election, particularly by Democrats, was quite severe.
00:04:17.000 Before 2016, Facebook was seen as the wave of the future by the Democrats.
00:04:20.000 They loved Facebook, right?
00:04:21.000 Barack Obama knew how to use it.
00:04:22.000 I think the Obama campaign had done great with it in 2012.
00:04:24.000 They were all geniuses over there.
00:04:26.000 And then, there was the Cambridge Analytica non-scandal, which really was not a scandal.
00:04:31.000 And the media blew it up.
00:04:31.000 They were looking for an excuse as to why Hillary Clinton had lost the 2016 election.
00:04:35.000 And the excuse they came up with was not that she was the world's crappiest candidate, awful, ran a terrible campaign, and nobody liked her.
00:04:42.000 Their excuse was, simultaneously, it was the Russians, and also it was social media.
00:04:46.000 If social media had just cracked down on the misinformation from Republicans and the disinformation from the Russians, Hillary Clinton certainly would have won, right?
00:04:54.000 This was the lie that was told, as opposed to, you know, Hillary Clinton was just a crappy candidate, which happens to be the truth.
00:05:00.000 And the social media companies, because they are run by people who generally vote Democrat, they were resonant to this.
00:05:05.000 They were like, oh, well, maybe that's true.
00:05:06.000 Maybe we need to start cracking down on speech.
00:05:08.000 Maybe we need, instead of just worrying about upholding people's power to speak, we need to cultivate conversations.
00:05:15.000 We need conversations that foster better public dialogue, right?
00:05:19.000 Which means that they were now going to insert themselves into the business of deciding what content could go up and what content could go down.
00:05:26.000 Now, this was not really their job.
00:05:28.000 The basis for social media has always been in the United States, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.
00:05:35.000 That Section 230 was specifically designed in order to allow companies like Facebook or like YouTube to create platforms for people to post their own content without the company gaining the liability of the content.
00:05:49.000 If you post some sort of defamatory material on Facebook, Facebook is not responsible for the defamatory material.
00:05:54.000 You are responsible!
00:05:55.000 For the defamatory material.
00:05:56.000 That was the purpose of the Communications Decency Act.
00:05:59.000 And it was meant to foster more conversation.
00:06:02.000 Then, because there were some court decisions that suggested that if a website started taking down comments that were obscene and lewd they would then be held liable for the other comments that they left up.
00:06:14.000 That's when Section 230 was added.
00:06:16.000 Section 230 said that there could be some cultivation of the comments sections, right?
00:06:21.000 That these big companies didn't become publishers just by virtue of taking down pornographic material in the comment sections or spamming material in the comment sections.
00:06:31.000 So there's this catch-all provision in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that says that you don't really need an excuse to take down material.
00:06:39.000 So an act that was designed to foster free conversation was then used post-2016 by the social media tech bros in order to stop conversation.
00:06:47.000 Because now the idea was, well, you know, it says in Section 230 we can take down whatever we want and we're not liable for the stuff that we leave up.
00:06:54.000 So they actually flipped the purpose of Section 230 on its head.
00:06:58.000 And you started to see the social media companies get much more heavily invested in censorship, in banning people.
00:07:03.000 You'd see these coordinated censorship campaigns, where people who I personally think are terrible, but certainly had not violated rules, started to see their accounts just disappear.
00:07:13.000 I started to see people who I think are just garbage.
00:07:16.000 You know, the Alex Joneses, the Milo Yiannopouloses of the world.
00:07:18.000 They would lose their account, but I would say, like, why are they losing their account?
00:07:22.000 Even though they personally target me, I can take it.
00:07:23.000 I mean, that's free speech.
00:07:24.000 That's the way things are supposed to work.
00:07:26.000 But these social media companies rarely gave any sort of consistent excuse because they would leave up Louis Farrakhan and Ayatollah Khamenei, and they would take down Milo Yiannopoulos or Alex Jones.
00:07:35.000 And then finally, they got to President Trump on January 6th.
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00:08:47.000 Okay, so.
00:08:48.000 As these social media companies, particularly Twitter, started to crack down more and more heavily on content, there was additional pressure brought on places like Facebook to crack down additionally on content.
00:08:57.000 And Democrats started openly threatening places like Facebook.
00:09:00.000 Senator Dianne Feinstein would call in Zuckerberg in front of her and say things like, if you don't crack down on content, well, then we will.
00:09:06.000 Which, of course, they can't because of this thing called the First Amendment.
00:09:10.000 But the threat has been there from Democrats for a very long time.
00:09:13.000 Either the social media companies Would become tools of the Democratic Party or they would meet the heavy hand of government.
00:09:19.000 This was the threat because here's the thing about social media.
00:09:22.000 What social media actually did in effect is it allowed alternative media like the Daily Wire to flourish.
00:09:27.000 I'm very grateful for the presence of Facebook because otherwise I couldn't get my material to you.
00:09:32.000 And the reality is that these giant social media companies blew up the monopoly that had been held heretofore by the giant establishment media companies.
00:09:40.000 These establishment media companies and the Democrats then got angry.
00:09:43.000 They didn't like the fact that there were so many alternative sources of media that were capable of reaching the American people directly.
00:09:49.000 So then they started trying to blackmail these companies saying, okay, you need to shut down all these alternative sources of media and then we will let you thrive.
00:09:55.000 And this is why you see people like Nancy Pelosi Again, the tech bros are all Democrats.
00:10:00.000 This is why you see people like Nancy Pelosi saying, you know, I don't really like Facebook.
00:10:04.000 I'm not a big fan of Facebook.
00:10:06.000 They have had a business model that is a business model built on making money on misrepresentations.
00:10:15.000 So for a long time, they made money on Russian money, coming in and distorting our elections and saying, oh, we didn't know it was Russian.
00:10:22.000 Well, they're Ruples, OK?
00:10:25.000 So I'm not, again, a big fan of those.
00:10:28.000 If they're making a business decision, then That's one thing.
00:10:33.000 If they're making a values decision, then that would be another.
00:10:38.000 Okay, so that is Nancy Pelosi openly urging Facebook to ban Trump.
00:10:41.000 She was talking about this yesterday.
00:10:43.000 So Democrats decided that social media are only their friends when they do what they want.
00:10:47.000 So Facebook decided, you know what, I don't want to be in the middle of this.
00:10:49.000 Zuckerberg said, I don't want to be in the middle of this.
00:10:51.000 Facebook's board basically said, we'll create this outside oversight board and you want to blame somebody, blame them.
00:10:57.000 In the same way that the legislature of the United States has basically set up all these executive branch agencies to do the regulations so they don't get blamed.
00:11:03.000 Same thing Facebook's doing.
00:11:04.000 They're like, we're going to kick the can down the road.
00:11:05.000 We don't want to own this thing.
00:11:06.000 So we've set up this oversight board filled with people who are not American, most of whom are not in compliance with sort of basic American standards of free speech, and they'll do the work.
00:11:14.000 Okay, so fine.
00:11:14.000 So January 6th happens and Donald Trump tweets out a bunch of stuff and puts out a bunch of Facebook posts.
00:11:19.000 None of them explicitly violate Facebook's rules.
00:11:22.000 It is very difficult to see how Donald Trump's posts, many of which I think are really bad, actually violate Facebook's rules.
00:11:28.000 There is way worse material on Facebook than anything that Trump put out on January 6th, pretty clearly.
00:11:34.000 But Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, they all decided in coordination, we're going to take Trump off the internet.
00:11:40.000 Which is deeply dangerous.
00:11:42.000 He was the sitting president of the United States.
00:11:43.000 That's deeply dangerous stuff.
00:11:45.000 You now have the social media bros deplatforming the sitting president of the United States because he said stuff that doesn't explicitly even violate their policies.
00:11:54.000 So they did that on January 6th, and Trump has just disappeared.
00:11:57.000 And if you're a conservative, you're thinking, okay, if they can do that to the president of the United States, they can certainly do that to me.
00:12:02.000 Like, I haven't violated policies either, but Trump really kind of didn't.
00:12:06.000 I may not say things that are as inflammatory as Trump does, but that's a matter of arbitrary kind of decision-making.
00:12:12.000 There are people at Facebook who hate my guts, there are people at YouTube who hate my guts, and Twitter who hate my guts.
00:12:16.000 They could take me down at any time.
00:12:17.000 And then, the same time that that happened, Parler, which was sort of the alternative, Was taken offline by Amazon Web Services.
00:12:24.000 So it became, OK, well, you know what, conservatives, you don't like how we run our places here.
00:12:27.000 Well, go build your own.
00:12:28.000 So somebody built Parler as an alternative to Twitter.
00:12:31.000 And then after January 6th, Parler is completely taken off the Internet by Amazon Web Services.
00:12:36.000 Okay, so the social media companies just have too much control over American life, which brings us to the Facebook Oversight Board.
00:12:41.000 So, if the Facebook Oversight Board had done the right thing here, what they would have said is, Trump, we don't like anything you said, he shouldn't have been banned.
00:12:48.000 And certainly, even if he had been banned, he shouldn't have been banned indefinitely, and he should be back already.
00:12:53.000 Instead, Facebook's Oversight Board found today, and they released a decision.
00:12:58.000 And their decision is, Facebook was right to ban Trump at the time, And while they cannot suspend Trump indefinitely, they need to, you know, re-meet on this thing in six months.
00:13:07.000 So, all the way until the middle of June, late June, then they probably have to reconsider about Trump.
00:13:13.000 Or maybe they don't!
00:13:14.000 Who the hell knows?
00:13:16.000 We'll get to this in just one second, the Facebook decision, because it really is a fairly absurd decision on nearly every level.
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00:14:31.000 The Oversight Board has finally released its long-awaited decision.
00:14:34.000 Here's what they say.
00:14:34.000 The Board has upheld Facebook's decision on January 7, 2021 to restrict then-President Donald Trump's access to posting content on his Facebook page and Instagram account.
00:14:44.000 However, it was not appropriate for Facebook to impose the indeterminate and standardless penalty of indefinite suspension.
00:14:50.000 Facebook's normal penalties include removing the violating content, imposing a time-bound period of suspension, or permanently disabling the page and account.
00:14:57.000 The board insists that Facebook review this matter to determine and justify a proportionate response that is consistent with the rules that are applied to other users of its platform.
00:15:05.000 Facebook must complete its review of this matter within six months of the date of this decision.
00:15:08.000 The board also made policy recommendations for Facebook to implement in developing clear, necessary, and proportionate policies that promote public safety and respect freedom of expression.
00:15:18.000 It won't.
00:15:19.000 Alright, so here's what they say about the case.
00:15:21.000 And that's their decision.
00:15:21.000 Their decision is, you're right to ban Trump.
00:15:23.000 Also, you can't do it indefinitely.
00:15:25.000 Also, we have no standard for when he has to be let back.
00:15:27.000 So, thank you for that.
00:15:28.000 Here's what they say about the case.
00:15:30.000 They say elections are a crucial part of democracy.
00:15:32.000 On January 6th, during the counting of the 2020 electoral votes, a mob forcibly entered the Capitol building in Washington, D.C.
00:15:38.000 This violence threatened the constitutional process.
00:15:40.000 Five people died and many more were injured during these events.
00:15:44.000 Then President Donald Trump posted two pieces of content.
00:15:46.000 At 4.21 Eastern Standard Time, as the riot continued, Trump posted a video on Facebook and Instagram.
00:15:51.000 I know your pain.
00:15:52.000 I know you're hurt.
00:15:53.000 We had an election that was stolen from us.
00:15:54.000 It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now.
00:15:58.000 We have to have peace.
00:15:59.000 We have to have law and order.
00:16:00.000 We have to respect our great people in law and order.
00:16:02.000 We don't want anybody hurt.
00:16:04.000 It's a very tough period of time.
00:16:05.000 There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened, where they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country.
00:16:10.000 This is a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people.
00:16:13.000 We have to have peace, so go home.
00:16:15.000 We love you.
00:16:16.000 You're very special.
00:16:16.000 You've seen what happens.
00:16:17.000 You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.
00:16:20.000 I know how you feel, but go home and go in peace.
00:16:23.000 Okay, so, I said at the time, I'm not a big fan of that video, because that video says two conflicting things.
00:16:29.000 One is, go home, go in peace, and also, everything you're super pissed about, you ought to be super duper pissed about.
00:16:36.000 And the system has completely failed you.
00:16:37.000 But also go home.
00:16:38.000 Right, so it's conflicting.
00:16:40.000 Did it violate Facebook's content standards?
00:16:43.000 How?
00:16:44.000 Really, like, how?
00:16:46.000 At 5.41 Eastern Standard Time, Facebook removed this post for violating its community standard on dangerous individuals and organizations.
00:16:52.000 At 6.07 Eastern Standard Time, as police were securing the Capitol, Trump posted a written statement on Facebook.
00:16:57.000 Again, there's that conflicting message.
00:16:58.000 and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly unfairly treated for so long.
00:17:05.000 Go home with love in peace. Remember this day forever.
00:17:08.000 Again, there's that conflicting message.
00:17:09.000 Same message. Okay. At 6 15, 6 p.m. 15 p.m.
00:17:14.000 Eastern Standard Time, Facebook removed this post for violating its community standard on dangerous individuals and organizations, and then it blocked Trump from posting on Facebook.
00:17:22.000 And then Facebook extended the block indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete.
00:17:28.000 On January 20th, Trump ceased to be president.
00:17:31.000 On January 21st, Facebook announced it had referred this case to the board.
00:17:34.000 So here are their findings.
00:17:36.000 They say, the board found that the two posts by Trump on January 6th severely violated Facebook's community standards and Instagram community guidelines.
00:17:44.000 We love you, you're very special in the first post.
00:17:46.000 And great patriots and remember this day forever in the second post, violated Facebook's rules prohibiting praise or support of people engaged in violence.
00:17:52.000 Okay, here is where you start going a little mad with the Facebook standards.
00:17:56.000 How many members of the media said that rioters and looters, even though they shouldn't riot, even though they shouldn't loot, are good people?
00:18:05.000 How many said these are people who are justly aggrieved at the situation in the United States?
00:18:10.000 You had CNN hosts who said this.
00:18:11.000 You had MSNBC hosts who said this.
00:18:13.000 You had politicians who said this.
00:18:14.000 You had Kamala Harris actively promoting bailout funds for people who were arrested for rioting and looting.
00:18:20.000 So in what way do those people get to say, but Trump has to go?
00:18:23.000 The question isn't just whether Trump violated the standard.
00:18:26.000 The question is whether this standard even exists.
00:18:29.000 And the answer is no, it clearly does not exist.
00:18:31.000 It was implemented and snapped into place with regard to Trump.
00:18:34.000 It was left completely irrelevant for months on end while people rampaged through American cities, resulting in dozens of deaths, $2 billion in property damage, the most damaging riots in American history.
00:18:45.000 Politicians, media members, commentators came out and defended the people who were doing the rioting and looting.
00:18:50.000 Were any of those people banned from Facebook or even suspended indefinitely?
00:18:55.000 The board found that in maintaining an unfounded narrative of electoral fraud and persistent calls to action, Mr. Trump created an environment where a serious risk of violence was possible.
00:19:03.000 Okay, so now, if you're going to blame Trump for creating a serious risk of violence through creating an environment, how about the entire media that has claimed that police are systemically racist, America is systemically racist, and all of the injustices of the criminal justice system cannot be corrected?
00:19:18.000 Because it is buried deep in the roots of all of America's institutions.
00:19:23.000 Again, these are not standards.
00:19:25.000 A double standard is not a standard.
00:19:27.000 It is a non-standard.
00:19:28.000 It doesn't exist.
00:19:29.000 At the time of Mr. Trump's post, there was a clear immediate risk of harm, and his words of support for those involved in the riots legitimized their violent actions.
00:19:37.000 As president, Mr. Trump had a high level of influence.
00:19:39.000 The reach of his post was large, with 35 million followers on Facebook and 24 million on Instagram.
00:19:43.000 Facebook was justified in suspending Trump's accounts on January 6th.
00:19:47.000 Okay, so the answer here is that anytime they want to suspend anybody for pretty much any reason, they can.
00:19:53.000 They can jerry-rig a system in order to make that happen.
00:19:56.000 That's what you should take away from this.
00:19:57.000 That if you are of the left and you openly promote excuses for violence, if you're Peter Beinart and you're constantly promoting excuses for violence from actual terrorist groups in the Middle East, you're fine.
00:20:07.000 If you are a person who promoted riots and looting throughout the summer, or even if you said that those people shouldn't be doing that, but you understand why they're doing it, they're great people, they're patriots.
00:20:18.000 I mean, there are people on CNN who compared it to the Boston Tea Party, right?
00:20:21.000 None of those people were removed.
00:20:22.000 Only Trump was removed.
00:20:23.000 You don't have to love what Trump said to recognize that the standard that Facebook is holding here is completely unsustainable.
00:20:29.000 Because it's not a standard at all.
00:20:30.000 And that these folks have way too much power in American life.
00:20:34.000 They literally took the sitting president of the United States off the internet.
00:20:37.000 If you take somebody off of Facebook, and Instagram, and YouTube, and Twitter, you've effectively destroyed their ability to disseminate information at all.
00:20:46.000 And that's the sitting president of the United States.
00:20:49.000 Okay, so here's where the Oversight Board then goes.
00:20:51.000 Then they do what is, I think, the funniest thing here.
00:20:53.000 They just toss the ball back into the court of Facebook, right?
00:20:57.000 So the Facebook Oversight Board is supposed to be independent, and they're going to relieve pressure on Facebook and all this.
00:21:02.000 Instead, they just take the ball and throw it right back to Facebook.
00:21:04.000 So they say, In applying this penalty, Facebook did not follow a clear published procedure.
00:21:09.000 Indefinite suspensions are not described in the company's content policies.
00:21:13.000 Facebook's normal penalties include removing the violating content, imposing a time-bound period of suspension, or permanently disabling the page and account.
00:21:20.000 It is Facebook's role to create necessary and proportionate penalties that respond to severe violations of its content policies.
00:21:26.000 The board's role is to ensure that Facebook's rule and processes are consistent with its content policies, its values, and its human rights commitments.
00:21:32.000 In applying a vague, standardless penalty, and then referring this case to the board's resolve, Facebook seeks to avoid its responsibilities.
00:21:39.000 The board declines Facebook requests and insists Facebook apply and justify a defined penalty.
00:21:43.000 So they've said you have three choices.
00:21:45.000 You can remove the violating content and leave the account.
00:21:48.000 You can impose a time bound period of suspension, like six months, or you can permanently disable the page and you guys have to make the decision.
00:21:53.000 So the great irony here is that Facebook was attempting to throw the ball away from itself and the board just threw it right back at them.
00:22:02.000 So that's kind of hilarious.
00:22:03.000 So Facebook, no matter what, is caught in the middle here.
00:22:06.000 But, there are a few things to be noted here.
00:22:08.000 Facebook's oversight board is just recognizing a reality.
00:22:12.000 Which is that these standards don't exist.
00:22:14.000 They don't exist.
00:22:16.000 And the media loves that these standards don't exist.
00:22:18.000 This is the best part.
00:22:19.000 Our establishment media, they hate Facebook.
00:22:21.000 They hate Twitter.
00:22:22.000 So long as they are open platforms.
00:22:23.000 So long as they are closed platforms, they love them.
00:22:25.000 Which is why you had Brian Stelter saying that he was very upset that the oversight board might let Trump back on the internet.
00:22:30.000 He literally said this.
00:22:33.000 There are a lot of members of this board that are free speech advocates, First Amendment absolutists in some cases, that are going to make an argument that these platforms should not be in the position of making these choices at all.
00:22:45.000 If Trump is brought back on Facebook, it'll likely be for those reasons.
00:22:50.000 But a lot of this has to do with the memory hole, right?
00:22:53.000 The riot going down the memory hole.
00:22:55.000 That's what Fox and Right-Wing Media has been trying to do, and I worry that this may be another result of that.
00:23:01.000 Okay, so he's very worried that Facebook might be too pro-free speech.
00:23:05.000 That would be such a disaster for the media, because if they're pro-free speech, then maybe CNN actually has competitors in the online space.
00:23:13.000 All righty.
00:23:14.000 Meanwhile, there is a vast debate breaking out in the House GOP.
00:23:19.000 There is chaos inside the Republican Party over a simple question, whether Donald Trump won or lost the 2020 election.
00:23:27.000 Apparently, this is a grave consequence To the media, it is a grave consequence inside the Republican caucus.
00:23:33.000 Because the idea that is being promulgated by the media is that unless you go out on TV every single day and say that Joe Biden won the election fair and square in every possible way, then this means that you are a liar and a bad person and you are promoting the quote-unquote big lie.
00:23:48.000 And on the other side, Trump is saying you're promoting the big lie if you say that he lost the election and all of this.
00:23:52.000 Well, I want to talk about that in a second.
00:23:55.000 But I want to first mention that there is a big lie that is promoted by the Democratic Party, like, continuously.
00:24:00.000 And you'll see why I'm doing this.
00:24:01.000 This is not a whataboutism thing because I'm not a fan of lies in either case.
00:24:06.000 There's a lie that is promoted by the Democratic Party, and it is ensconced in every area of media coverage.
00:24:12.000 It is ensconced in every area of Democratic policymaking.
00:24:15.000 And that lie is that there is widespread voter suppression happening throughout Republican states, and that voter suppression is directed at Black Americans.
00:24:21.000 See, one of the things the Democrats have banked on for a very, very long time is the idea that they will always, and forever, have an increasing share of minority votes.
00:24:29.000 And it turns out that the demographics is destiny argument is not a perfectly good argument.
00:24:34.000 Democrats basically bet after 2008 when Barack Obama won the sweeping victory with large majorities of nearly every subgroup in the United States, including white Americans.
00:24:43.000 It turns out that after 2008, Barack Obama was not a popular president.
00:24:48.000 His policies were not popular.
00:24:49.000 His Congress was swept out of power in 2010.
00:24:51.000 And so Barack Obama did something different.
00:24:54.000 He said, I'm going to put together this intersectional coalition of historically dispossessed groups.
00:24:58.000 And we are going to build a new coalition, a coalition of the ascendant.
00:25:01.000 And this ascendant coalition is demographically different than the old coalition.
00:25:06.000 And basically, this new coalition is growing, the Republican coalition is going to be whiter, and it's going to die off.
00:25:11.000 This was not something that was hiding the ball.
00:25:13.000 There were Democrats like Ronald Brownstein overtly saying this sort of stuff for years, talking about the Browning of America, how this inevitably meant that the Republican Party was on the outs and Democrats would win forevermore.
00:25:23.000 And there are some people on the right who responded to this in similarly unconscionable fashion, suggesting that demographics was destiny, and that if we had too many people of particular races, that this meant that Republicans could never win again, and conservative principles were dead, and all this.
00:25:36.000 It's not true.
00:25:37.000 Okay, so the reality is that this isn't true.
00:25:40.000 The reality is that human beings are individuals, and that what we are seeing in the United States is, in fact, shifting in voting patterns.
00:25:45.000 And in 2020, Donald Trump won an outsized chair compared to other Republicans of the Latino vote, for example.
00:25:51.000 Donald Trump actually did better with black voters in 2020 than he did in 2016.
00:25:56.000 Even the New York Times is now acknowledging that rising diversity might not help Democrats as much as they hope.
00:26:02.000 According to Nate Cohn, the Census Bureau released two important sets of data last week that have big implications for American politics, and that challenged some prevailing assumptions for both Democrats and Republicans.
00:26:12.000 The first set of data lays out long-term demographic trends widely thought to favor Democrats.
00:26:16.000 Hispanics, Asian Americans, and multiracial voters grew as a share of the electorate over the last two presidential races, and white voters, who historically tended back the GOP, fell to 71% in 2020 from 73% in 2016.
00:26:28.000 The other data set tells a second story.
00:26:30.000 Population growth continues to accelerate in the South and the West, so much so that some Republican-leaning states in those regions are gaining more electoral college votes.
00:26:38.000 The states won by President Biden will be worth 303 electoral votes down from 306 electoral votes in 2020. The demographic, the democratic disadvantage in the electoral college just got worse again, says the New York Times. These demographic and population shifts are powerfully clarifying about electoral politics in America.
00:26:55.000 The increasing racial diversity among voters isn't doing quite as much to help Democrats as liberals hope, or to hurt Republicans as much as conservatives fear.
00:27:03.000 Because here's the thing.
00:27:05.000 Republicans win a very, very large share of the Hispanic vote in both Texas and Florida, for example.
00:27:11.000 Why?
00:27:11.000 Well, because they do better outreach than they do in places like California.
00:27:14.000 And also, because not all Latino and Hispanic voters are from the same country.
00:27:18.000 There's a difference between Cuban voters, for example, and Mexican voters in terms of voting patterns.
00:27:22.000 Which makes sense.
00:27:22.000 Those are different countries.
00:27:24.000 There is a difference in how people vote.
00:27:26.000 Some of it is cultural, and much of it is individual.
00:27:28.000 One of the things that people who study demographics have been noticing is that an increasing share of Hispanic and Latino voters identify as white now.
00:27:36.000 Why?
00:27:36.000 Well, because they don't wish to see themselves particularly as displaced people from a home country, but rather as really non-ethnically based.
00:27:47.000 This is a weird kind of thing that's been happening.
00:27:49.000 It's why you see on Census Bureau data, people will ask you, are you Hispanic?
00:27:54.000 Are you Hispanic who identifies as white?
00:27:56.000 These are actual demographic categories that appear on Census Bureau forms now.
00:28:01.000 What this suggests is that demographics are not destiny, and so the entire democratic Agenda item, which was, we will get more people in the intersectional coalition vote for us and we'll ignore the rest of America, is not likely to win them everlasting victory.
00:28:14.000 And so what they have to do is scare the living hell out of people of minority persuasion.
00:28:17.000 People who are ethnic minorities in the United States, the Democrats are going to scare the living hell out of them.
00:28:22.000 In order to scare the living hell out of them, they have to lie.
00:28:25.000 This is why you see the Democrats continually suggesting that voter laws that call for voter ID are in fact a form of voter suppression.
00:28:32.000 And the idea from people like Stacey Abrams is that limiting voting rights is on the Republican agenda, that they want to stop black people from voting, that they want to stop Hispanic people from voting, that they desperately want to stop minority people from voting, the Republican Party.
00:28:45.000 And this is why you see Joe Biden out there suggesting over and over that voting laws that are looser in Georgia than they are in places like New York in many ways are actually Jim Crow.
00:28:53.000 That's not true.
00:28:54.000 It's a scare tactic.
00:28:55.000 So this is the big lie being told by the Democratic Party is that there is a threat to black America, not only from white America, but particularly from conservative America.
00:29:02.000 And Stacey Abrams pushes this every day and the media eat it up.
00:29:05.000 The media feature her on the covers of magazines.
00:29:07.000 The Democratic Party featured her during the DNC in a gubernatorial round table as though she had won the governorship of Georgia, even though she lost by 50,000 votes.
00:29:16.000 It's hilarious.
00:29:17.000 The same Democratic Party that says Trump lost Georgia by 13,000 votes, undeniably lost Georgia.
00:29:22.000 I mean, look at it.
00:29:23.000 They say that Governor Stacey Abrams is governor, even though she lost by 50,000 votes in the same state.
00:29:28.000 But Stacey Abrams promotes this day in and day out.
00:29:31.000 Here she was, for example, yesterday, talking about how Republicans want autocracy.
00:29:37.000 The forerunners of autocracy and authoritarianism begin with limiting who has access to the right to vote, making it so difficult that people give up and abandon the perquisites of democracy.
00:29:49.000 That makes it much easier for those who do not intend to share power to hoard it.
00:29:54.000 And so I am deeply afraid, and it seems like slightly hyperbolic, but in a nation like the US with its changing demography, if the response to increased participation by communities of color, By young people, by women, if the response is to restrict their access and impede their participation, that is a very, very strong signal that we are heading in the wrong direction.
00:30:17.000 Right.
00:30:17.000 Notice the open argument there from Stacey Abrams.
00:30:19.000 As the demographics of the country change, Democrats are going to win more seats.
00:30:22.000 The only way that won't happen is if Republicans stymie the voting processes.
00:30:25.000 And this is why we need things like H.R.
00:30:27.000 1.
00:30:27.000 We need a giant overhaul of America's electoral law so that people like Stacey Abrams can promote ballot harvesting and can promote no voter I.D.
00:30:35.000 And all of the rest of this.
00:30:37.000 And now here's the problem.
00:30:38.000 It's just not true.
00:30:39.000 Voter suppression is not a major problem in the United States.
00:30:42.000 In fact, voter suppression is so much of a not major problem in the United States that black voters in many of these swing states, going all the way back to 2008, outvote their share of the population.
00:30:51.000 This is the big lie, right?
00:30:52.000 The big lie pushed by the Democrats.
00:30:54.000 And when I say the big lie, I don't mean like the biggest of lies, which is Holocaust denial.
00:30:58.000 I mean, it is a big lie pushed by Democrats today that voter suppression is a major problem in the United States.
00:31:03.000 It is just not true.
00:31:05.000 In the Wall Street Journal today, there's a piece titled, What Was That About Voter Suppression?
00:31:09.000 from the editorial board.
00:31:10.000 Census figures released Thursday show that turnout in 2020 reached a near historic high for a presidential election, with 66.8% of voting-age citizens casting ballots, 0.9 percentage points shy of the 1992 record.
00:31:22.000 Turnout was 5.4 percentage points higher than in 2016, 3.2 points higher than in 2008, when Barack Obama drove scores of young people and minorities to the polls.
00:31:31.000 The share of Hispanics, 53.7%, and Asians, 59%, of voting age, who cast ballots also hit new peaks.
00:31:38.000 Black voting, 62.6%, surpassed any presidential year save 2008 and 2012 when Barack Obama was on the ballot.
00:31:45.000 Notably, GOP states with stricter voting rules didn't experience significantly lower minority turnout.
00:31:50.000 Black turnout was highest in Maryland, 75.3%, followed by Mississippi, 72.8%, and lowest in Massachusetts, 36.4%. Liberals have lambasted Georgia for purging voters and restricting ballot access, but Georgia had a smaller black-white voting gap than Illinois, New Jersey, Virginia, and California, all states controlled by Democrats.
00:32:08.000 The states with the biggest black-white voting gaps?
00:32:10.000 Massachusetts, Oregon, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Colorado.
00:32:14.000 Three allow same-day voter registration.
00:32:16.000 Good luck trying to discern a link between a state's voting rules, partisan control, and minority turnout.
00:32:21.000 So in other words, it's just not true.
00:32:23.000 The idea that there is a vast attempt to stop the demographic wave of the United States, the new demographic wave, through voter suppression, it's not true.
00:32:31.000 But it is a key talking point for Democrats because it fosters their entire agenda.
00:32:35.000 It suggests that Republicans are racist, trying to stop black people from voting.
00:32:38.000 It suggests you need federalized control, top-down, of voting protocols taking power away from the states.
00:32:44.000 And it underlines the idea that as the demographics of the United States change, the destiny of the United States changes, right?
00:32:50.000 So this is the lie that is being pushed by Democrats, and every Democratic leader mirrors it.
00:32:54.000 And so do members of the media.
00:32:55.000 There's an entire article in the Washington Post today about how two black CEOs got corporate America to pay attention to voting rights.
00:33:04.000 And of course, it is this sycophantic, slobbering piece about how Kenneth Chenault It has pushed people in corporate America to mirror his political priorities.
00:33:16.000 Chenault went on to run American Express for 17 years, one of just 19 black chief executives ever at a Fortune 500 company.
00:33:22.000 Chenault recently used his formula of fighting for change when he and another black chief executive, Kenneth Frazier of the pharmaceutical giant Merck, helped push much of corporate America to publicly oppose the restrictive voting rights bills being considered in dozens of states.
00:33:36.000 So again, the idea here from the media, from the Democrats, from everybody in power, is a lie.
00:33:42.000 It is a lie that black voters are being suppressed at the polls.
00:33:44.000 It is not true.
00:33:45.000 And Stacey Abrams, the great heroine of the Democratic side of the aisle, she's been promoting that lie ad nauseum.
00:33:51.000 OK, all of which goes to show you why the Democratic Party, among polls of Republicans, I mean, among polls of Democrats, Democratic base loves the Democratic Party.
00:33:59.000 There's a big difference between that and the Republican base, which basically hates the Republican Party.
00:34:03.000 If you take polls of Democrats and their approval ratings for the Democratic Party, very, very high.
00:34:07.000 For as long as I can recall, Republican base been a giant gap with the Republican Party.
00:34:13.000 And one of the reasons for that is because they believe, I think quite correctly, that Republicans publicly do not mirror their priorities.
00:34:20.000 It's one of the reasons that they had a very strong attachment to Trump.
00:34:23.000 Because Trump, whatever else you can say about the guy, and there's a lot to say about him, he did have his finger on the pulse of what the base wanted to talk about.
00:34:29.000 Now, maybe he said things in dumb ways.
00:34:31.000 Maybe he shouldn't have talked about those things.
00:34:33.000 Possible.
00:34:34.000 But he certainly had his finger on the pulse of what the base wanted to talk about more than your typical Republican leadership did.
00:34:42.000 This is breaking out into the open right now with regard to the future of the Republican Party, and it's really breaking out into the open in controversy surrounding Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming.
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00:37:41.000 Okay, so while the Democratic Party tends to reflect the priorities of its own voters, the Republican Party very often does not.
00:37:53.000 So, Liz Cheney has gotten into hot water with other members of the Republican Party, particularly including President Trump, because she keeps saying over and over that Trump lost the 2020 election.
00:38:03.000 Now, I've been saying literally since the day of the election that I was waiting to see evidence of massive voter fraud and massive voter irregularity that would explain Trump's loss in the swing states.
00:38:12.000 I didn't see that presented by Trump.
00:38:14.000 I really didn't see that presented by anybody.
00:38:15.000 Doesn't mean there wasn't voter fraud.
00:38:17.000 Doesn't mean there wasn't voter irregularity.
00:38:19.000 In an election that included hundreds of millions of Americans, presumably there would be.
00:38:23.000 But that does not mean that the margins were small enough that you would see a shift of 13,000 votes in Georgia, or 12,000 votes in Arizona, or 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania, or 120,000 votes in Michigan, or 14,000 votes in Wisconsin.
00:38:35.000 Those are big margins.
00:38:36.000 Those are not tiny margins when it comes to absolute number of votes that you would have to show were either falsified or were thrown out.
00:38:44.000 And in fact, the Trump campaign didn't even make those allegations in its court filings.
00:38:47.000 Its court filings were mainly about the unfairness of the rules, In some cases, like Pennsylvania, there was credence to that.
00:38:53.000 But that still does not change the fact that you have to demonstrate actual evidence that voter fraud or regularity decided an election if you're going to claim that voter fraud or regularity decided the election.
00:39:02.000 And I've said at the same time that I think that the real rigging of the election was not done on the level of voting.
00:39:07.000 I think the real rigging of the election was done by the media throughout the election cycle and before.
00:39:11.000 I think the media routinely lied about Trump.
00:39:13.000 I think they routinely lied about Biden.
00:39:14.000 I think that they hid Biden's radicalism.
00:39:16.000 I think they allowed Biden to hide in the basement and not answer a single difficult question.
00:39:19.000 I think that they overtly stymied the New York Post story about Hunter Biden in the month before the election.
00:39:24.000 I think they lied about Trump being a Russian asset for four years.
00:39:26.000 I think a lot of things impacted the 2020 elections.
00:39:30.000 And that included, of course, Donald Trump making some rather large boo-boos during the election campaign.
00:39:36.000 But the reality is that if the media had covered that thing, anything like they should have covered that thing, it would have been a much closer election at the very least.
00:39:42.000 And because it was a pretty close election in the swing states, I have very little doubt that if they had, for example, fairly covered what was going on with COVID, as opposed to presenting Andrew Cuomo with the Man of the Year award every single day while he proceeded to kill all the olds in New York, And if they had covered the Black Lives Matter riots that were happening throughout the country in June, as they should have, then I think Trump probably would have won, despite the pandemic.
00:40:08.000 Okay, so do I think that Trump, it depends on your definition of fairly, I suppose.
00:40:13.000 If you think that Trump lost the election because of voter fraud and irregularity, I disagree.
00:40:16.000 If you think that Trump lost the election because all the institutions of power were basically rigged against Trump, I think there is certainly some truth to that.
00:40:24.000 Okay, so you can say all of that, And the Republican base may disagree on some of the fraud and irregularity arguments, but the Republican base is willing to hear that.
00:40:32.000 What they don't want, and this is really what it comes down to for Liz Cheney, is Liz Cheney keeps going out on places like MSNBC, and then she keeps telling those anchors exactly what they want to hear.
00:40:44.000 This is the problem.
00:40:46.000 You can say everything that I've just said, and the Republican base will not be angry with you.
00:40:50.000 The Republican base understands that there are a lot of decent arguments for the notion that Trump Lost the election in terms of the number of votes, but that there are a lot of mitigating factors that led to him losing that really were rigged against him.
00:41:04.000 The Republican base can hear that.
00:41:06.000 What the Republican base does not want to hear is that if you are somebody who believes that Trump got jobbed in some way during the election, this means that you are a promulgator of the big lie.
00:41:15.000 And this means that you are a traitor to the United States and you're undermining American politics and politics.
00:41:21.000 In other words, if you are in a leadership position in the Republican Party, what you say matters because you are considered a representative of the base.
00:41:28.000 I agree with Liz Cheney that voter fraud and irregularity did not decide the 2020 election.
00:41:34.000 I just think that Liz Cheney's public-facing priorities are not at all the public-facing priorities of the Republican Party.
00:41:41.000 The Republican Party right now should not be focused on answering questions from the media about whatever Donald Trump's latest missive is about the 2020 election.
00:41:49.000 The 2020 election happened in November.
00:41:52.000 The Electoral College voted in December.
00:41:55.000 Last I checked, the calendar now says it's May.
00:41:58.000 Hey, it is not time to talk about that.
00:42:00.000 And if the media insists on talking about that, as a Republican, you have every right and indeed every obligation to say, I don't know why we're talking about that.
00:42:06.000 Why aren't we talking about the fact that the current president of the United States, Joe Biden, is doing a terrible job?
00:42:12.000 Why aren't we talking about the looming inflationary crisis that's gonna hit the country?
00:42:15.000 Why aren't we talking about the border crisis that you and Politico refuse to even say is a crisis?
00:42:21.000 Why aren't we talking about the fact that Joe Biden's economic plans spend more money than has ever been created in human history?
00:42:28.000 Why are you still talking about Trump?
00:42:30.000 And the answer is the media want to talk about Trump because the media want to misdirect.
00:42:34.000 The media don't want to cover what's going on in the White House.
00:42:36.000 The media would prefer not to talk about the fact that Democrats are lying about things like voter suppression.
00:42:41.000 In fact, they wish to promulgate those myths.
00:42:42.000 So you'll see the media on their high horse about Voter fraud and irregularity, and we can't feature people on our networks who say this kind of stuff?
00:42:48.000 Fine.
00:42:49.000 Then don't feature anybody on your network who says that voter suppression is a major issue in Republican states.
00:42:53.000 Because guess what?
00:42:54.000 It ain't.
00:42:54.000 You don't have any data to show that voter suppression is a major issue in the Republican states.
00:42:58.000 So if you're gonna have a standard, have it be the same standard.
00:43:01.000 But I don't think that there's the same standard.
00:43:03.000 I think there's a double standard.
00:43:05.000 And this is what Liz Cheney fails to appreciate, apparently.
00:43:09.000 So, Kevin McCarthy, who is the House Minority Leader, and he wishes to be the House Majority Speaker.
00:43:13.000 He wishes to be the Speaker of the House.
00:43:15.000 And by the way, if Republicans somehow find a way to lose, maintain a minority in the House in 2022, every single person in a leadership position in the Republican Party should be fired.
00:43:25.000 There is no way Republicans should lose the House in 2022.
00:43:28.000 No freaking way.
00:43:31.000 The policies of the Democrats are unpopular.
00:43:33.000 They're going to start to bear ugly fruit.
00:43:35.000 They already are in terms of violence in America's major cities.
00:43:38.000 There's a reason that there's a net population gain in the South and in the West and in red states, particularly.
00:43:44.000 Well, blue states are losing population.
00:43:45.000 There is a reason for that.
00:43:47.000 If Republicans cannot make hay while the sun shines in 2022, they deserve to lose their leadership positions.
00:43:52.000 Right.
00:43:52.000 So Liz Cheney has sort of been under fire for a while.
00:43:55.000 And you'll remember a few months ago, Liz Cheney was merely asked about January 6th, and she said that January 6th was terrible, which is true, and then there were some people in the Republican Party who basically tried to vote of no confidence against her and it failed.
00:44:06.000 And she got up in conference, and she said that she believes what she believes, and then the majority of the conference basically said, okay, fine, you can stay.
00:44:13.000 Well then, Liz Cheney felt like she had to get into a bleep fight with Trump.
00:44:16.000 Trump said something about how Liz Cheney's the worst, and instead of Liz Cheney just ignoring him, which is what she should have done politically, instead she decided to jump right in and be like, Donald Trump's a prevaricator, Donald Trump is the promoter of the big lot.
00:44:29.000 Even if she believes that, which she's perfectly entitled to do, I have a question.
00:44:33.000 What does that have to do with your job as the number three in the House?
00:44:38.000 Seriously, like, speaking the truth is always your job.
00:44:40.000 I get it.
00:44:41.000 But there is also a truth that is you, as a powerful person in the Republican Party, have an obligation to forward the Republican agenda.
00:44:49.000 That's why you were hired.
00:44:50.000 So, are you forwarding the conservative and Republican agenda?
00:44:53.000 Not by saying that sort of stuff, but by making that your chief focus in the media, by earning strange new respect from Chris Hayes at MSNBC.
00:45:01.000 Is that forwarding the agenda?
00:45:03.000 Okay, so Kevin McCarthy got caught on a hot mic talking to, I believe it was Steve Doocy of Fox & Friends.
00:45:09.000 About Liz Cheney.
00:45:10.000 And he said, listen, I'm not sure I can hold back the tide here against Liz Cheney.
00:45:13.000 And frankly, it seems like her focus is more on getting attention for saying this sort of stuff, even if it's true, than it is on forwarding the agenda.
00:45:20.000 Again, two things can be true at once.
00:45:21.000 One, she can be saying some true things.
00:45:22.000 And two, it ain't forwarding the agenda of the Republican Party.
00:45:24.000 It is serving, I don't even know what her agenda would be like on a practical level, but it is certainly forwarding the agenda of a media that wished to keep focus on Donald Trump at all times, under all circumstances.
00:45:35.000 I think she's got real problems.
00:45:38.000 I've had it with... I've had it with... It's, you know, I've lost confidence.
00:45:44.000 Well, someone just has to bring a motion, but I assume that will probably take place.
00:45:49.000 Okay, so there were a bunch of polls that came out, and they suggested that Liz Cheney is in trouble in Wyoming, and Trump had tweeted at her, and it turned into this bleep fight.
00:45:56.000 And, again, here is the issue for Liz Cheney.
00:45:59.000 Your job is to fight the forwarding of the Democratic agenda, which, by the way, is the most radical, progressive agenda that we have seen in our lifetimes.
00:46:07.000 It makes Barack Obama look like a piker.
00:46:10.000 And if your chief focus, day in and day out, is how do I answer questions from MSNBC, you are not doing your job properly.
00:46:16.000 It's also a good indicator.
00:46:17.000 The Democrats are jumping on this, of course.
00:46:19.000 Nancy Pelosi, of course, is out there defending Liz Cheney.
00:46:22.000 There should be, again, when Nancy Pelosi is defending you, it's a pretty good indicator that even if you're right, you've sort of walked down the wrong path politically here.
00:46:33.000 There's a difference between pragmatism and You know, what is happening right now, I will say.
00:46:41.000 Nancy Pelosi is a liar.
00:46:42.000 Nancy Pelosi says things that are untrue repeatedly.
00:46:45.000 Nancy Pelosi promoted the idea that Donald Trump was a Russian collusion advocate, that Donald Trump was a Russian tool.
00:46:51.000 She promoted the idea that voter suppression would decide the 2020 election.
00:46:54.000 I mean, she's just a liar.
00:46:56.000 But here's Nancy Pelosi praising Liz Cheney as a truth teller, which is always not a great sign.
00:47:00.000 I do commend Lynne Cheney for her courage, for her patriotism.
00:47:08.000 And I wish her well.
00:47:11.000 Perhaps this challenge will make her stronger.
00:47:14.000 I don't know.
00:47:15.000 That's up to their caucus.
00:47:17.000 I don't welcome their participation in our caucus, and I'm sure they don't welcome my participation in theirs.
00:47:24.000 Okay, so Liz Cheney's response to all of this has been to double down and to basically give the media the issue they want, which is the Republican infighting over January 6th or the Republican infighting over Trump.
00:47:36.000 Again, there are two responsibilities.
00:47:38.000 One is to tell the truth, and the other is to forward the Republican agenda.
00:47:41.000 And what people hired you to do was both.
00:47:44.000 Okay, so Liz Cheney put out a statement, her spokesman did.
00:47:47.000 This is about whether the Republican Party is going to perpetuate lies about the 2020 election and attempt to whitewash what happened on January 6th.
00:47:53.000 Liz will not do that.
00:47:54.000 That is the issue.
00:47:55.000 No, that is not the issue.
00:47:57.000 I won't whitewash that either.
00:47:58.000 I've been very, very clear about what I thought happened in the 2020 election.
00:48:00.000 I just said it five seconds ago.
00:48:02.000 I've been very clear what I think about January 6th, which was a bunch of droogs and morons participating in an act of anti-democratic authoritarianism.
00:48:10.000 I thought January 6th was quite terrible.
00:48:12.000 You'll recall.
00:48:13.000 I still think it was quite terrible.
00:48:14.000 I think it was some of the worst imagery, just in terms of pure imagery, in the United States since September 11th.
00:48:20.000 I think it was really, really bad.
00:48:22.000 Also, I think the Democratic agenda to take over every institution in America and then weaponize it against American freedoms is a significantly greater threat than a bunch of morons and droogs running into the Capitol building and promptly getting their asses arrested.
00:48:34.000 And by the way, failing in their mission to stop the electoral certification taking place.
00:48:39.000 And as far as Donald Trump and his beliefs about the voter regularity and voter fraud of the election, it was Republican secretaries of state, and it was Republican Mitch McConnell, and it was Vice President Mike Pence who certified that election.
00:48:50.000 End of story.
00:48:50.000 Okay, you can say all of those things and still not fall into the trap of, I'm going to run over to the Democratic media to talk about how terrible the rest of my Republican colleagues are for saying different things.
00:49:01.000 And this is why Liz Cheney is on the outs today.
00:49:04.000 Republicans have a tendency to want to answer every question from the media, and they don't have to do it.
00:49:10.000 They don't have to do it.
00:49:10.000 It's a mistake.
00:49:12.000 You see this from the governor of West Virginia, went on, I think it was CNN, to talk about his push for a ban on transgender athletes playing in opposite sports leagues, so men playing in women's leagues if they believe that they are women, for example.
00:49:28.000 He went on CNN, he got browbeaten by a report.
00:49:30.000 Why?
00:49:31.000 Why?
00:49:32.000 Just don't do it!
00:49:33.000 There's no law that says you have to do that.
00:49:36.000 There's no law that says that you have to answer every question from MSNBC.
00:49:39.000 And by the way, if you do answer a question from MSNBC, you can give your honest opinion and then you can also swivel and clock MSNBC for its bias and for the lies that it tells.
00:49:49.000 That's not moral equivalence.
00:49:50.000 That would be honesty.
00:49:52.000 It is honesty to say that you don't think the 2020 election was stolen via voter fraud and irregularity.
00:49:58.000 You do think that the media did an awful job.
00:50:00.000 You think they perverted the minds of Americans and told them a pack of lies and continue to tell them packs of lies that pervert the cause of American freedom.
00:50:07.000 You can say all those things at once.
00:50:09.000 But where you put your focus does matter when you're in a position of political leadership.
00:50:13.000 So, that is where things stand with Liz Cheney today.
00:50:16.000 My understanding is that Liz Cheney is in trouble inside the House Republican Caucus, and then if she gets ousted, presumably we will have a bevy of wonderful stories from the media about how the Republicans have doubled down on the fraud and lies of January 6th and November.
00:50:30.000 Or alternatively, they just don't think Liz Cheney is being an effective leader on behalf of the party.
00:50:33.000 How about that?
00:50:34.000 Because that seems like the question at issue here.
00:50:38.000 I believe two things at once.
00:50:39.000 Liz Cheney is not incorrect in her assessment of voter fraud and regularity in 2020, or in her assessment of January 6th, and also she's not being an effective leader for the Republican Party right now.
00:50:49.000 Both of those things can be true absolutely at once.
00:50:52.000 Alrighty, so meanwhile, the Democratic agenda continues to roll out.
00:50:55.000 Janet Yellen, the Secretary of the Treasury, Really spooked investors yesterday.
00:50:59.000 And she spooked investors because she is not great at her job.
00:51:03.000 I understand that everybody thinks Janet Yellen's great at her job because she just keeps inflating the currency.
00:51:07.000 But the reality is that the Federal Reserve acted for years As the chief economic policymaker in the United States, as opposed to Congress.
00:51:15.000 And now, you have Congress blowing out the spending in extraordinary ways.
00:51:19.000 And Janet Yellen, the Treasury Secretary, being like, yeah, what if we just kept printing money?
00:51:22.000 What if we just kept doing that?
00:51:23.000 So yesterday, she made a boo-boo, and she actually spooked the markets, the markets dropped, because she was like, there might be inflation, but don't worry, the Fed can handle it.
00:51:30.000 Which is like, um, I thought you said a minute ago there wasn't going to be any serious inflation.
00:51:34.000 So here's Janet Yellen spooking the markets.
00:51:37.000 It may be that interest rates will have to rise somewhat to make sure that our economy doesn't overheat, even though the additional spending is relatively small relative to the size of the economy.
00:51:53.000 So it could cause some very modest increases in interest rates to get that reallocation.
00:52:01.000 Okay, and everybody went, um, what now?
00:52:02.000 Because you were saying five seconds ago that you weren't worried at all about inflation.
00:52:07.000 Well, then she walked that back.
00:52:08.000 According to the Washington Post, Treasury Secretary Yellen insisted Tuesday she's not concerned about the risks of economic overheating, hours after earlier comments about inflation caused a brief panic on Wall Street and invited fresh scrutiny about the White House's position.
00:52:20.000 In an interview with The Atlantic released Tuesday morning, Yellen defended the administration's new spending proposals and said that the central bank could handle inflationary pressures with modest interest rate increases.
00:52:31.000 Raising interest rates can slow the pace of economic growth by increasing the cost of borrowing.
00:52:35.000 Okay, well then she walked it back.
00:52:37.000 At a separate event with the Wall Street Journal later on Tuesday, Yellen was adamant she was not concerned about inflation and stressed she was not predicting or recommending an imminent increase in rates.
00:52:45.000 She said, Well, here's the problem, of course.
00:52:51.000 All of these folks keep suggesting that they can keep blowing up the currency and nothing will happen.
00:52:56.000 Economists at the Bank of America Global Research said U.S.
00:52:59.000 policymakers are testing the limits of Goldilocks.
00:53:01.000 They are trying to heat up the economy as fast as possible without generating serious inflation.
00:53:06.000 But what we have seen is that there is serious inflation, particularly for commodities.
00:53:11.000 There's been a big backlog of orders on basic commodities.
00:53:15.000 We talked about this yesterday on the program.
00:53:17.000 The prices are going up.
00:53:18.000 There's not enough labor in the economy.
00:53:19.000 People are not re-entering the labor force because we are paying people to stay home.
00:53:24.000 Jen Psaki said, we take inflationary risks incredibly seriously, except for how you don't.
00:53:29.000 Because if you did, you wouldn't be talking about spending $2 trillion every three weeks.
00:53:34.000 Biden has proposed more than $4 trillion of additional spending that would be infused into the economy over the course of the decade.
00:53:40.000 The White House says those programs are accounted for with tax increases, but that's not true.
00:53:45.000 So even Janet Yellen is starting to hint around the idea that perhaps there's going to be inflation, and everybody who's watching kind of knows this.
00:53:51.000 Meanwhile, the crisis at the border continues to marinate.
00:53:56.000 It's not getting any better.
00:53:58.000 And Jen Psaki is out there saying this is all Trump's fault.
00:54:00.000 Remember, how refreshing.
00:54:01.000 She always told the truth, according to Brian Stelter at CNN.
00:54:05.000 After four years of an immigration system rooted in destructive and chaotic policies, President Biden is taking the challenge head on and is building a fair, orderly, and humane immigration system.
00:54:16.000 That's our objective.
00:54:18.000 After coming into office, our administration immediately jumped into action to address the influx of migrants at the border, something that began during and was exacerbated by the Trump administration.
00:54:29.000 Nope, you haven't done any of that stuff.
00:54:31.000 You haven't mitigated it.
00:54:31.000 You haven't made it better.
00:54:33.000 You just got the media to stop talking about it for five seconds.
00:54:36.000 That's all that's happened here.
00:54:37.000 They put Kamala Harris on the problem, the Vice President of the United States, who giggles inappropriately and weirdly.
00:54:42.000 She, actually, shocker.
00:54:44.000 The Democratic Party, honestly, their politics is basically just a pagan cult at this point.
00:54:50.000 Whatever is the issue that they wish to address becomes the cause of all things.
00:54:55.000 It's like a pagan cult praying to the sun because they want the weather to change.
00:55:00.000 Except they pray to the sun because they want climate change to be the cause of migration or something.
00:55:07.000 It's so weird.
00:55:08.000 Like, they keep saying this kind of stuff.
00:55:10.000 And they'll say things like, oh, an uptick in violence in America's major cities?
00:55:13.000 That's systemic racism.
00:55:14.000 Or, alternatively, it's because you keep screwing with the police.
00:55:17.000 Like, there's a major influx of migrants on the southern border who are openly saying to the media, we're coming because Biden's president.
00:55:22.000 And you get Kamala Harris being like, oh, it's probably climate change.
00:55:25.000 Or it could be, you know, the thing that is obviously causing the major influx to the southern border.
00:55:29.000 Here was Kamala Harris blaming climate change for migration to the southern border, even though climate change is a slow and ongoing process over the course of the century.
00:55:37.000 And yet we have seen a historic spike in the number of minors arriving on America's southern border without people or adults accompanying them.
00:55:45.000 We are focused on addressing both the acute factors and the root causes of migration.
00:55:52.000 And I believe this is an important distinction.
00:55:55.000 We must focus on both.
00:55:57.000 First, the acute factors.
00:56:00.000 The catastrophes that are causing people to leave right now.
00:56:04.000 The hurricanes, the pandemic, the drought, and extreme food insecurity.
00:56:11.000 And then there are the long-standing issues.
00:56:14.000 The root causes.
00:56:16.000 And I'm thinking of corruption, violence, and poverty.
00:56:19.000 The lack of economic opportunity.
00:56:22.000 The lack of climate adaptation.
00:56:25.000 And climate resilience.
00:56:27.000 So we need to stop migration on the southern border through a carbon tax that will have an incremental decrease in effect on the temperature over the course of 100 years.
00:56:38.000 Or alternatively, you could enforce border law.
00:56:42.000 This lady, by the way, still has not been down to the border.
00:56:44.000 The vice president still has not been down to the border.
00:56:45.000 They put her in charge of the border, what, two and a half months ago?
00:56:49.000 And there she is speaking at some sort of conference about climate change and the border crisis.
00:56:54.000 Amazing at her job.
00:56:55.000 Amazing.
00:56:55.000 Again, if Republicans cannot win back the House because they're so divided over whatever thing Trump put out on DonaldJTrump.com.
00:57:02.000 Trump, by the way, said that he was putting out a social media service yesterday.
00:57:04.000 He didn't.
00:57:05.000 He put up like a blog on his website that allows you to tweet out his thoughts to everybody else.
00:57:09.000 That's fine, but it's not a social media service.
00:57:11.000 If your chief concern right now is Trump and going into 2022, Liz Cheney allows Trump to be the number one issue, then Republicans are somehow going to blow it, which is incredible because Democrats have blown it.
00:57:22.000 Democrats are continuing to blow it.
00:57:25.000 On COVID, Democrats are blowing it.
00:57:27.000 I mean, for example, Jen Psaki at the White House yesterday defended the CDC.
00:57:31.000 Okay, so it turns out the CDC used the American Federation of Teachers' guidance to create school guidelines.
00:57:37.000 Now, the American Federation of Teachers, last I checked, are not scientists.
00:57:40.000 The CDC is the Center for Disease Control.
00:57:42.000 It is literally their job to just present the data to you.
00:57:45.000 And instead, they had Randy Weingarten rewrite all of the school standards, and then they trotted that out as though it was scientific.
00:57:52.000 The entire media declared throughout the Trump administration that Trump was perverting the science.
00:57:55.000 This administration openly does it and then defends it and nobody seems to give a damn.
00:57:59.000 Here's Jen Psaki at the White House saying it's totally fine to have the American Federation of Teachers and one of the worst people in American politics, Randy Weingarten, write the standards for school reopenings.
00:58:09.000 It's actually long-standing best practice for the CDC to engage with organizations and groups that are going to be impacted by guidance and recommendations issued by the agency. It doesn't mean they are taking everything they want or even a percentage of what they want, but it's important to understand the implementation components. They do so to ensure that recommendations are feasible and that they adequately address the safety and well-being of the individuals the guidance is aimed to protect.
00:58:36.000 It's ridiculous.
00:58:37.000 I mean, these are tools of the teachers' unions.
00:58:39.000 And then they trot that out.
00:58:40.000 Americans are not going to abide by this.
00:58:42.000 They still, by the way, are trotting out Anthony Fauci, who's just a joke at this point.
00:58:45.000 He's a bad joke.
00:58:46.000 Nobody ought to pay attention to Anthony Fauci because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
00:58:49.000 He says things that make no sense according to other experts, according to people who know better than Anthony Fauci.
00:58:54.000 I don't know how Anthony Fauci became America's doctor.
00:58:56.000 First of all, all the best doctors I know are working in the private sphere.
00:58:59.000 They're not working for the NIAID.
00:59:02.000 All the epidemiologists that I know, and I've gotten to know several over the course of the last year, working at places like Johns Hopkins and Stanford, look at the fact that this guy's been working for the government.
00:59:11.000 They look at government employees the same way you look at government employees.
00:59:14.000 They're like, um, no, that's not, no.
00:59:16.000 Anyway, Anthony Fauci, who's treated as some sort of religious figure, he keeps saying stupid crap that makes no sense.
00:59:21.000 He was on CNN yesterday.
00:59:23.000 Again, remember, he's heading up Biden's COVID team.
00:59:27.000 He said yesterday we're at the bottom of the sixth inning.
00:59:28.000 What is this, a seven inning game?
00:59:29.000 Is he gonna get called on account of rain?
00:59:31.000 How in the world are we at the bottom of the sixth inning?
00:59:33.000 Are you insane?
00:59:34.000 Are you an insane person?
00:59:36.000 We have the lowest rates of COVID death that we have had in probably a year in the United States.
00:59:41.000 And it's declining.
00:59:43.000 And your answer is, we're in the bottom of the sixth inning?
00:59:45.000 If you're a crazy person, here's Anthony Fauci.
00:59:49.000 What inning are we in as far as this COVID pandemic is concerned?
00:59:55.000 Well, you know, We're at least halfway through.
00:59:58.000 I hope we're seeing, and I do believe, Wolf, I'm not trying to be overly enthusiastic about what's going on vis-a-vis the vaccine program, which is so successful, but we've really got to not declare victory prematurely.
01:00:14.000 How about the bottom of the sixth?
01:00:16.000 Try that one, Wolf.
01:00:18.000 I'll go with the bottom of the sixth.
01:00:19.000 That's not too bad.
01:00:20.000 I wouldn't call them excessive.
01:00:21.000 I would say they're conservative.
01:00:22.000 Okay, now we know a few things.
01:00:23.000 has said over the last 24 hours. Anthony Fauci also said that the CDC guidelines on summer camps, quote, I wouldn't call them excessive. I would say they're conservative. Okay, here are the, here are the guidelines for summer camps. Okay, now we know a few things. One, kids do not die from COVID. Okay, the number of kids who have died from COVID, that is a, That is, of course, there are people who die from every cause, but the number of kids who die from COVID is significantly lower than the number of kids who die from the flu every year.
01:00:47.000 Fewer than 300 kids have died in the United States of COVID out of hundreds of thousands who have been infected with COVID.
01:00:52.000 Second, everybody who's older in the United States has already had the opportunity to get a vaccine.
01:00:58.000 In fact, everybody over the age of 16 in the United States has had the opportunity to get a vaccine.
01:01:02.000 So you shouldn't be telling little kids that they have to mask up in 90 degree weather outdoors and stay away from each other.
01:01:07.000 It's idiotic.
01:01:08.000 It's foolish.
01:01:09.000 Okay, here is the CDC guidance.
01:01:11.000 All staff and kids masked at all times, even outdoors, Cohorts for kids.
01:01:15.000 Three foot distance within cohorts.
01:01:17.000 Six feet without.
01:01:19.000 Limit shared objects like toys and sports equipment.
01:01:21.000 Except that the CDC explicitly now says that you don't have to wipe down your counters.
01:01:26.000 Surfaces are not vectors of transmission.
01:01:29.000 No close contact sports or indoor sports.
01:01:32.000 Outdoor sports should be masked.
01:01:34.000 These are the standards from the CDC.
01:01:36.000 And Anthony Fauci, that dope, is like, I wouldn't say that's excessive.
01:01:39.000 You wouldn't say that's excessive?
01:01:42.000 Americans are looking at you guys and saying, what the hell are you doing?
01:01:45.000 Meanwhile, we got this addled old president who's going around doing completely nonsensical things, right?
01:01:50.000 He goes over to Jimmy Carter's house and Jimmy Carter is like a thousand years old and unfortunately in not completely good health.
01:01:58.000 He goes over to Jimmy Carter's house, takes the weirdest picture of all time.
01:02:02.000 It looks like George Murrison standing next to Muggsy Bogues.
01:02:06.000 And then he proceeds to unmask with the old dude.
01:02:10.000 And you're like, uh, didn't you just say you're supposed to mask?
01:02:12.000 And then he walks out of the house and he puts back on the mask.
01:02:15.000 Because Joe Biden is not coherent on any of this crap.
01:02:17.000 It's all virtue signaling nonsense from Joe Biden.
01:02:19.000 Here is Joe Biden telling you that you know what?
01:02:21.000 You know what?
01:02:22.000 You, you need to keep following the CCT, CLB, GT, Q guidelines.
01:02:31.000 Now that we have the vaccine supply, we're focused on convincing even more Americans to show up and get the vaccine that is available to them.
01:02:39.000 If we succeed in this effort, as we did with the last, then Americans will have taken a serious step towards a return to normal.
01:02:48.000 That's July 4th.
01:02:50.000 But we're not there yet.
01:02:52.000 That's why I'm asking people to continue to follow the CDC guidelines as we work to get more people vaccinated.
01:03:00.000 Yeah, listen to this incoherent old dope.
01:03:03.000 I'm sorry, as we work to get more people vaccinated, you know what we're watching right now?
01:03:06.000 Yesterday, we were up to like three and a half million people being vaccinated every day.
01:03:10.000 We are now down to lower than a million vaccine doses issued yesterday.
01:03:13.000 You know why?
01:03:14.000 Because we have a demand fall-off.
01:03:15.000 You know why we have a demand fall-off?
01:03:16.000 Because idiots like this and Anthony Fauci keep saying that even after you're vaccinated, you have to keep masking and mask your kids and send them outside in 95-degree weather and keep them six feet apart.
01:03:26.000 That's why the demand is falling off.
01:03:28.000 It's why people don't want to get the vaccine.
01:03:29.000 There are polls that demonstrate this.
01:03:31.000 I cited them yesterday on the show.
01:03:33.000 Among GOPers, for example, there's an 18% gap between people who say they will get the vaccine if they have to keep the mask on, and then people who say they'll get the vaccine if they can take the mask off.
01:03:46.000 An 18 percentage point jump in enthusiasm for the vaccine.
01:03:49.000 That's just among people in the GOP.
01:03:51.000 And yet Biden keeps promoting this stupidity that masks are the greatest protector rather than the vaccine.
01:03:56.000 We can continue to drive vaccinations up and caseloads down.
01:03:58.000 They're needlessly dividing the Cambodia, the country.
01:04:01.000 I'm Jumaa Sehwag.
01:04:02.000 See you in a bit, gentlemen.
01:04:05.000 We can continue to drive vaccinations up and caseloads down.
01:04:10.000 We'll need our masks even less and less.
01:04:14.000 I know it will take time to get everything back to normal.
01:04:17.000 You know.
01:04:18.000 No, we're all going to have to be patient with one another.
01:04:21.000 Masks have needlessly divided this country.
01:04:26.000 Masking, as directed, is a patriotic duty.
01:04:30.000 But so, too, is treating each other with respect and patience.
01:04:34.000 Treat each other with respect and patience unless somebody unmasks publicly in the middle of the street with nobody around.
01:04:40.000 Then that person is being unpatriotic.
01:04:41.000 He literally said you should mask up for patriotism.
01:04:43.000 And now he's like, yeah, we need to be tolerant of other people.
01:04:46.000 He's he's just the worst.
01:04:47.000 He's just.
01:04:48.000 And by the way, there will be a backlash if Republicans don't blow it.
01:04:52.000 So don't blow it, you idiots.
01:04:54.000 How about represent the anti-Biden agenda?
01:04:56.000 Because his agenda sucks!
01:04:58.000 It's garbage!
01:04:59.000 It's going to cause inflation.
01:05:00.000 It's going to keep people out of the workforce.
01:05:02.000 It's going to continue to cause racial conflagrations across the country.
01:05:06.000 It's going to cause continued confusion about COVID and what you can and cannot do.
01:05:10.000 The backlash is right there.
01:05:11.000 This is low-hanging fruit for Republicans.
01:05:13.000 And instead, you dope society that you want to argue over the 2020 election?
01:05:18.000 Enough.
01:05:19.000 Enough.
01:05:19.000 If you're not dedicated to the agenda of stopping this sort of authoritarian crap, then get the hell out of the way.
01:05:25.000 There's plenty of space in the commentariat.
01:05:27.000 I'm sure CNN has a chair open for you if that's what you want to do.
01:05:30.000 But you're not there to earn strange new respect.
01:05:32.000 You're there to stop this agenda and reverse it, if possible.
01:05:35.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with an additional hour.
01:05:37.000 In the meantime, go check out The Michael Moll Show.
01:05:39.000 On today's episode, Michael will be talking about some breaking news.
01:05:42.000 Bill and Melinda Gates are getting a divorce.
01:05:45.000 So I guess there is just another, that's another Microsoft bug.
01:05:48.000 That episode is available right now.
01:05:49.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
01:05:49.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
01:05:52.000 The Ben Shapiro Show is produced by A.R. Rahman.
01:05:58.000 Copyright Daily Wire 2021.
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