The Ben Shapiro Show - Factmogging the Manosphere

00:00:00.000 You can be rich, you can be famous, and you can have hot women hanging on your every word, lavishing their attention on you, demanding nothing from you in return.

00:00:09.000 All you have to do to get all of this is to give the manosphere your money, your brain, and your soul.

00:00:16.000 We're living in the middle of a gigantic online op. 1.00

00:00:18.000 It is an op designed to suck young men dry and leave them broken and stupid. 1.00

00:00:22.000 It makes their lives actively worse. 1.00

00:00:24.000 That op is called the Manosphere, and it's time to wake up to their Matrix of Evil.

00:00:29.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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00:00:52.000 Well, speaking of our friends over at the all access chat, I was informed by some of you, and again, this is just another reason why you should subscribe so you can tell me what to watch and cover, that I ought to watch the Netflix documentary from Louis Thoreau called Manosphere.

00:01:05.000 So I did.

00:01:07.000 And to be real, it didn't really tell me anything I didn't know, but I'm glad it's illuminating a far broader problem. 0.99

00:01:12.000 The crisis of men without proper guideposts and durable moral institutions being ushered into a world of stupidity and immorality by grifters and liars who traffic in lies, spiritual emptiness, and outright grift. 0.96

00:01:25.000 So in this documentary, Louis Thoreau talked with a series of Manosphere influencers. 0.99

00:01:30.000 One young man who calls himself H.S. Tikitaki, not his given name, Amru Fudel, aka Myron Gaines, Nicholas Ken DeBlenthity, that would be Sneeko, and Justin Waller.

00:01:43.000 Thoreau didn't actually get the godfathers of this Griffith brothers on film, but he didn't really have to because all these folks are running the same scheme.

00:01:49.000 Here's how the scheme works.

00:01:50.000 First, they tell young men that they are failing at life.

00:01:54.000 And then they tell young men the reason they are failing at life is not because of anything they're doing per se, but because of the Matrix, a system of power, usually run by the Jews that's out to get them. 0.99

00:02:04.000 That system is what is depriving them of women, of money, of social mobility. 1.00

00:02:09.000 Third, these men act transgressively and provocatively.

00:02:12.000 They violate all social stigmas and then seem magically to achieve all of the things the matrix has placed off limits to young men. 0.93

00:02:20.000 Fourth, they inform young men that they too can have all of these wonderful things, the hot women and the nice cars and the big houses, if only they join a fake university or some BS stock trading app or donate money to the kickstream.

00:02:34.000 And finally, they tell young men that anyone who says differently is part of the Matrix.

00:02:39.000 Now, if any of this sounds familiar, this sort of program, that's because it's basically cult recruitment tactics just made viral online.

00:02:45.000 I mean that pretty seriously.

00:02:46.000 Cults typically target people who are suffering from a life crisis.

00:02:49.000 They target the vulnerable and then they love bomb those people.

00:02:52.000 They say, you're with us.

00:02:53.000 We understand you.

00:02:54.000 They offer their most obvious critiques of the world, the unfairness of life, the impossibility of overcoming challenges.

00:03:01.000 And then they say, you know, the way out of that is the cult.

00:03:04.000 Cults encourage recruits to cut out all contrary information.

00:03:07.000 And cults tell these people that people who oppose the cults are actually members of some nefarious outside force.

00:03:13.000 And if you join the cult, then you are saved or enlightened or awake.

00:03:16.000 And everyone else is a suppressive evildoer.

00:03:18.000 Now, this stuff is seductive.

00:03:20.000 And it's dangerous because it also informs young men of things that are not true. 0.94

00:03:24.000 That, for example, women are disgusting and perverse, but also simultaneously available and completely pliant if you just crack the code. 1.00

00:03:34.000 That you can achieve wealth and fame, not over time, by building a business or something, instantaneously, like this moment, simply by seeing through the matrix and eschewing the 925 hard job in favor of a get-rich-quick scam. 0.91

00:03:47.000 And if you fail, it's because of the matrix.

00:03:49.000 You just need to give more money to them.

00:03:50.000 That matrix, by the way, is just code for the Jews. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Tapping into the anti-Semitism, what that does is it allows them to seem both transgressive and also illuminating, which is why, of course, we have tons of clips of these quote-unquote manosphere influencers, as you'll get to later. 0.95

00:04:06.000 All of them are losers singing Ye's Heil Hitler back just a couple of months ago.

00:04:21.000 This may in fact be the definition of hell would be stuck in being stuck in a small vehicle with this few IQ points at one time. 0.96

00:04:29.000 And of course, Myron Gaines, who is one of the key guests in the Louis Thoreau documentary, is he does this routine all the time.

00:04:36.000 I mean, just wild anti-Semitic rants.

00:04:39.000 Halo is right about your because the reality is this. 0.99

00:04:43.000 You fing you guys come into a country, you push your pornography, you push your central banking, you push your degeneracy, you push the LGBT community, you push all this bullshit into a society, you destroy it from within, and then you guys go ahead, 1.00

00:04:58.000 and then you band together, you practice nepotism, you keep each other at the highest levels of echelons of government and everything else, you protect your fingers because you silence free speech, you silence anything that criticizes you, and then you get rid of them, and then you go and use stupid terms, fake terms, like anti-Semitism. 0.99

00:05:17.000 Well, none of this is new, of course.

00:05:18.000 We've covered a lot of this on the show before, but this documentary is now trending number one on Netflix.

00:05:23.000 Where this documentary is useful is in uncovering kind of underneath the hood some of the sick reality here, the sick and tawdry reality.

00:05:31.000 So, take, for example, this person named HS Tiki Taki.

00:05:33.000 I'll admit, I never heard of this person.

00:05:35.000 I guess he is bigger in Europe. 0.99

00:05:37.000 He's a 23-year-old apparent moron named Harrison Sullivan who is raking in cash by scamming young people. 0.99

00:05:43.000 He admits that he is fine with lying to his audience, to marketing pornography to them while maintaining that he actually doesn't like pornography and to robbing people blind. 0.99

00:05:50.000 Here he was being asked specifically why he can't just be a good person, and he says he doesn't do it for morality, he does it for the cash because I openly say I don't give a f and I'm doing it for money, I don't care about the morality of it.

00:06:05.000 I know it's not good.

00:06:07.000 I say to people, don't watch porn. 1.00

00:06:10.000 It's sad, it's loser shit. 1.00

00:06:12.000 You can't say I promote it, but I discourage people from doing it. 1.00

00:06:15.000 But you can.

00:06:16.000 They can say it, but it doesn't mean anything. 1.00

00:06:19.000 Okay, see, what he is doing here is pretending that he is authentic by authentically admitting that he's a piece of shit. 1.00

00:06:26.000 He's not lying. 1.00

00:06:27.000 He does do it for the money.

00:06:28.000 And those who invest in him are, by the way, likely to lose money.

00:06:31.000 So one of the things that this particular influencer does, this manosphere influencer, is he tells people that they can also have beautiful, loose women, and they can be jet skiing upon the oceans, and they can have wonderful apartments in Spain.

00:06:45.000 All you have to do is sign up for his junk app.

00:06:49.000 Well, Louis Thoreau actually invested 500 pounds in the junk app, and here's how it turned out.

00:06:55.000 I opened an account and put in 500 pounds.

00:06:59.000 I'd once taken 500 pounds and joined HS's investment group, making trades with its advice, hoping to join the ranks of those who'd leveled up.

00:07:08.000 With its help, after two months, my money was mostly gone.

00:07:13.000 Well, there's a shock. 0.96

00:07:14.000 Well, HS Tiki-Taki Sullivan is actually kind of pathetic. 0.98

00:07:18.000 His own mom, who certainly bears some of the blame for raising this streaming trash bag, bosses him around like a toddler while simultaneously humoring his latest violin pure outtakes. 0.98

00:07:29.000 Here's some footage from Tela Cincha. 0.91

00:07:34.000 No, you don't have to have the truth.

00:07:38.000 Don't embarrass me.

00:07:39.000 All right, don't be rude.

00:07:40.000 That's not the way I've brought you up.

00:07:41.000 Do not be rude.

00:07:43.000 All right, because it's a reflection on me.

00:07:44.000 All right, I'll be they had an unlikely domestic flavor.

00:07:50.000 Can you get look at this?

00:07:51.000 I'm not having them come in here.

00:07:52.000 Look at this.

00:07:53.000 Get out of the way. 0.53

00:07:55.000 So manly.

00:07:56.000 So much manliness.

00:07:57.000 Or take Myron Games' Amru Foodle. 1.00

00:08:00.000 Gaines happens to be an idiot who picks on people even dumber than he is. 1.00

00:08:04.000 Largely, similarly vile female influencers who are also desperate for attention. 1.00

00:08:09.000 It's this sort of never-ending cycle of loathsome garbage. 1.00

00:08:12.000 Gaines, obviously, is not particularly bright. 0.99

00:08:14.000 Here he was in the documentary pushing just complete myths about how women have children who look like not their husbands, but a prior partner because of retained sperm or some such nonsense.

00:08:28.000 Ever wonder why some kids resemble an ex more than their father?

00:08:32.000 This is usually why.

00:08:33.000 The more men a woman has been with, the higher the risk of negative mutations in her future children. 0.84

00:08:38.000 Louis, what do you mean?

00:08:39.000 That video. 0.99

00:08:41.000 That was ridiculous. 0.99

00:08:42.000 The thing about, oh, you have a kid and it resembles your previous partner, no one thinks that. 0.90

00:08:49.000 Well, there has been some, but there has been scientific data that reflects this when it comes to females.

00:08:54.000 This is what they're talking about.

00:08:55.000 When they talk about misinformation on the internet, this is what they're talking about. 0.99

00:09:01.000 Well, I mean, obviously, he is saying stupid crap, but, you know, that's not really what matters because, more importantly, to his young male audience, Gaines poses as someone worth emulating. 1.00

00:09:11.000 The tough guy who's raking it in and has even somehow found a woman so compliant that she is willing to let him have sex with random women. 1.00

00:09:20.000 And then she's totally happy with this. 0.99

00:09:21.000 That she's locked in, but he's having sex with random women. 0.93

00:09:24.000 And also, she does his cooking and his cleaning.

00:09:27.000 And it gets kind of awkward because in the documentary, Louis Thoreau asks her how happy she is with this arrangement.

00:09:36.000 And she does not look super duper happy about it.

00:09:41.000 But we were talking about in the future that maybe there's a world where you would have more than one wife.

00:09:46.000 She understands that.

00:09:47.000 She knows that that could potentially come down in the future.

00:09:49.000 What do you say about that?

00:09:52.000 I don't know.

00:09:56.000 Yeah, so he's lying.

00:09:57.000 She's not okay with it because guess what?

00:09:59.000 Women generally are not okay with this. 1.00

00:10:01.000 And if you want a good woman, she certainly will not be okay with this. 0.99

00:10:04.000 The girlfriend, by the way, featured in the documentary, broke up with this pile of garbage six months ago. 1.00

00:10:11.000 Well, that's because the view that he is advocating of the world is idiotic and it is demeaning to women. 1.00

00:10:17.000 You actually want to know what women want. 0.99

00:10:19.000 I speak as a man who's been married for nearly 20 years and has four children with a fifth on the way.

00:10:24.000 You know what women want? 1.00

00:10:26.000 Men who actually love and protect and cherish and defend them.

00:10:31.000 It's not all that difficult.

00:10:32.000 By the way, that is the definition of manhood.

00:10:34.000 The definition of true manhood is love, protect, cherish, defend, provide for your wife and for your family.

00:10:41.000 That is the definition of manhood, by the way.

00:10:43.000 Also, a great definition of how to be a happy human being.

00:10:46.000 You know what women don't want in reality? 1.00

00:10:48.000 What they really don't want? 1.00

00:10:50.000 Scumbags who tell them to clean up their rooms while maintaining a harem. 1.00

00:10:53.000 That's intellectual pornography for morons. 1.00

00:10:56.000 Well, speaking of morons, there's also Sneeko, the newly minted Muslim who spends his days online ranting about wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. 1.00

00:11:03.000 The Jews. 1.00

00:11:04.000 Well, here's some of his genius-level commentary, the kind of stuff that we need young men imbibing.

00:11:11.000 Well, why is it every single magazine cover you see a celebrity doing this pose exactly, covering one eye?

00:11:15.000 Are you for real?

00:11:16.000 I am for real.

00:11:17.000 Who do you think is behind it?

00:11:18.000 The Satanists?

00:11:19.000 They're pledging allegiance to Satan.

00:11:21.000 Do you think Satanists are running the world?

00:11:23.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:11:26.000 And conspiratorial cult horse crap, obviously. 0.98

00:11:29.000 Well, one of the hilarious things that happens in this documentary is at a certain point, Sneeko admits that the manosphere is basically a giant scam. 0.97

00:11:38.000 Everybody in the manosphere is just people online who are trying to make a buck, you know, selling ideologies, and people have heard all the talking points already.

00:11:48.000 I think the world got really crazy for a long time, but I think we're reaching a little more of a balance in terms of what's truthful and what's not.

00:11:56.000 But here's the thing: it's amazing.

00:11:58.000 So he'll admit it, but then he participates in it.

00:12:01.000 This stuff works.

00:12:02.000 It works because a lot of young men are looking for an easy solution to life.

00:12:06.000 They're looking for a shortcut. 0.96

00:12:08.000 All this garbage works for the same reason.

00:12:10.000 The get six pack in two weeks ads have a high click-through rate. 0.63

00:12:13.000 The dream is more attractive than the reality.

00:12:15.000 You don't actually want to watch the video that tells you you need to count your calories and exercise regularly if you want the six-pack.

00:12:21.000 You want to watch the video that tells you that if you just have this powder, that in two weeks you will have a six-pack.

00:12:26.000 That if you just try this extreme fitness regimen, then you will look like a Greek god within two weeks.

00:12:33.000 That's the stuff that gets the click-through. 0.99

00:12:35.000 Now, the result is young men who emulate this junk. 0.92

00:12:38.000 Here was Sneeko walking around and getting recognized by middle school boys on the streets in New York, and you have to wonder where are their parents. 0.98

00:12:49.000 Hey, what up, man?

00:13:00.000 They succeed in their high school yearbooks.

00:13:04.000 Well, how does this work out for the fans?

00:13:06.000 Well, Thoreau interviewed a couple of Justin Waller's fans.

00:13:09.000 Justin Waller is another one of these types.

00:13:11.000 And he asked them, you know, what brought them to Justin Waller and what actually happened to them?

00:13:17.000 Well, it turns out that they have yet to reach a specific level of success.

00:13:23.000 How do you know Justin?

00:13:24.000 I see his videos, and he's one of my greatest role models.

00:13:31.000 Tristan Tay, the brothers, they're all a big inspiration to all of us.

00:13:37.000 And later, what we learn is that these young men are not particularly successful.

00:13:40.000 And that's not surprising.

00:13:42.000 I mean, how many young men are likely to actually be successful in life because they follow people like this?

00:13:47.000 How many of them are likely to become happier or more virtuous or even richer? 0.92

00:13:52.000 How many are going to have successful careers and families by taking this junk advice? 0.58

00:13:55.000 And the answer is zero. 0.92

00:13:56.000 Let's be clear. 1.00

00:13:57.000 These dudes are losers. 1.00

00:13:59.000 They are actual real losers. 1.00

00:14:02.000 It turns out there are lots of losers who are capable of renting apartments and cars, pretending that they own them, inflating their wealth, scamming gullible young men out of their money. 0.99

00:14:11.000 And you can get rich doing that too. 0.97

00:14:12.000 But having a lot of money does not actually mean you're not a loser. 0.98

00:14:16.000 There are a lot of losers with money. 1.00

00:14:18.000 There are a lot of pigs with money. 1.00

00:14:19.000 Just ask Jeffrey Epstein. 0.99

00:14:21.000 So, what's the real story here?

00:14:23.000 Well, H.S. Tikki-Taki is unmarried.

00:14:26.000 He lives a pretty lonely life, streaming seven hours a day with his fake buddies he pays while trying to avoid being told what to do by his mommy.

00:14:34.000 Sneeko is a single male, aged 27, no children.

00:14:37.000 Myron Gaines is 36, no children, no wife.

00:14:41.000 Justin Waller is unmarried to the mother of his children.

00:14:43.000 And while both he and she claim they are happy with this arrangement, whereby he has sex with lots of other women and she sometimes joins in, I got to say, it doesn't seem like a particularly healthy arrangement for the kids.

00:14:54.000 In the documentary, Walt Waller particularly comes off as kind of a sad person with a troubled childhood.

00:14:59.000 Young men need better role models, you know, people who actually pursue true happiness and fulfillment.

00:15:04.000 Because in the end, what these men are selling is not a dream.

00:15:08.000 They are selling a nightmare.

00:15:10.000 The real crime, by the way, is the people who won't call it out because there are lots of people who know better, but who have fellow traveled with this stuff because it gets clicks.

00:15:17.000 And they need the clicks.

00:15:18.000 That is the lifeblood of this industry.

00:15:20.000 Remember, it's not just that these scam artists have made a cottage industry from streaming for hours and hours and then cutting up the clips and then recutting up the clips and then ramming them onto social media by the thousands and then building fake businesses from them.

00:15:33.000 Because they have this sort of gigantically inflated popularity, they've been glazed and praised by some of the most popular political commentators, particularly on the grievance party right.

00:15:43.000 There are just some of them blazing a man who's been credibly accused of sexual assault and sex trafficking.

00:15:49.000 Andrew Tate. 0.97

00:15:51.000 What you describe it as the matrix, I think that actually is the right term, is that the matrix works overtime to make it seem as though the people who recognize the insanity, recognize the homosexuality, recognize the pedophilia, are in fact the people that are crazy.

00:16:07.000 Like it's a complete inversion of what's actually happening.

00:16:09.000 And the saddest thing is that it works.

00:16:11.000 You are naive enough to believe that there are good guys and bad guys in wars and it's as simple as good and bad and that the bad guys are crazy and the good guys want freedom.

00:16:24.000 Then you need to do a little bit more investigation into what's really happening.

00:16:27.000 And when you look at the vested interest of any country or any person.

00:16:32.000 Can I just ask you to pause and just comment?

00:16:34.000 That's the truest thing, what you just said.

00:16:36.000 And anyone who doesn't understand that should shut the f ⁇ up. 1.00

00:16:40.000 And I mean it.

00:16:43.000 Here's the thing, folks.

00:16:44.000 You should not trust people who sell you toxic waste.

00:16:47.000 And you also should not trust people who then give that toxic waste their own imprimature.

00:16:53.000 So is there some sort of matrix?

00:16:56.000 Listen, there are always things that society can do better in terms of providing opportunity.

00:17:00.000 And yes, obviously there's a grain of truth to the idea that men have been victimized by an increasingly feminist society, that men have been cut out of what their roles used to be.

00:17:10.000 There's no question that a lot of that is true.

00:17:12.000 But the solution is not what is being provided here.

00:17:15.000 Get rich quick schemes, total grift, toxic views of women. 1.00

00:17:20.000 The answer is, wait for it, traditional virtue and decency.

00:17:25.000 The answer here would be to pursue the same things that have made men successful for hundreds of years.

00:17:32.000 If people are selling you some sort of newfangled, out-of-the-box solution that involves no effort other than you signing them a check, you are the mark. 1.00

00:17:43.000 You are the sucker. 0.99

00:17:44.000 And the people who participate in all of this are just as bad as the people who are perpetuating it. 1.00

00:17:49.000 In a moment, we'll be joined by Rob Hednerson of the Manhattan Institute, who will join us to discuss the Manosphere.

00:17:54.000 Plus, we can't leave the ladies out of it. 1.00

00:17:56.000 We'll be breaking down some toxic femininity in just one moment. 1.00

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00:19:14.000 We do.

00:19:15.000 So Daniel, is there a difference between the original meaning of Manosphere and this documentary?

00:19:19.000 Because I thought it meant Rogan or podcasts about jiu-jitsu.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, so I mean, there is a difference.

00:19:25.000 And I think one of the things that the left has done that is really kind of ugly is lump all of this stuff together.

00:19:29.000 It's not all the same.

00:19:30.000 You have the super duper toxic, which is what this documentary is about.

00:19:34.000 And then you have people who will say that Jordan Peterson is Manosphere because he's telling young men to make their bed and buck up.

00:19:40.000 And when the left combines all of that, what they end up doing is actually legitimizing the bad.

00:19:44.000 They don't end up just slandering Jordan.

00:19:46.000 They end up actually legitimizing the worst of these folks.

00:19:48.000 These are two separate things.

00:19:49.000 The people who say to young men, listen, you have a problem.

00:19:53.000 You can solve that problem with effort and with virtue and with values, right?

00:19:57.000 Those people are, you can say they're part of a manosphere or that they are male-directed shows.

00:20:01.000 But to lump, say, Jordan Peterson in with Andrew Tate is a complete category error.

00:20:06.000 It's one I think that some people on the left make on purpose, frankly.

00:20:10.000 Well, joining us on the line to discuss all of this is Rob Henderson of the Manhattan Institute, best-selling author of Troubled, a memoir of foster care family and social class.

00:20:19.000 And you can check out his sub stack as well.

00:20:20.000 Rob, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:20:21.000 I appreciate it.

00:20:23.000 Hey, thanks, Ben.

00:20:24.000 Great to be here.

00:20:25.000 So, Rob, you've been writing a lot on the Manosphere.

00:20:28.000 You've seen the documentary, obviously.

00:20:30.000 What do you make of the impact in the Manosphere?

00:20:31.000 There's been a lot of talk about it's not really that many people or it doesn't really make a big difference.

00:20:36.000 I got to say that this plays into sort of a broader question about whether online is reality.

00:20:41.000 And I think my answer is online is not reality, but for a lot of young people, online can, in fact, become reality.

00:20:48.000 And increasingly, online is bleeding over into reality.

00:20:51.000 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:20:53.000 I think a lot of the concerns are overblown, but the lexicon and some of the ideas are spilling over into real life.

00:21:01.000 There was a very interesting survey recently, which asked representative samples of young men, who do you consider to be someone to look up to?

00:21:09.000 And it listed famous figures like LeBron James and others, but then also, yeah, Elon Musk, but also people like Andrew Tate and Manosphere figures.

00:21:17.000 And this is good news, that the Manosphere figures were towards the bottom in terms of how likely young men were to look up to them or think of them as role models.

00:21:26.000 But still, if you interact with Zoomers, young men in everyday life, you will hear them use phrases like mogging, Chadopoly, Stacy's, a lot of the sort of language that you hear from Manosphere influencers. 0.92

00:21:39.000 So even if they're not directly consuming the content, it is sort of spilling out through social media and then into the real world.

00:21:46.000 You know, Rob, one of the things that's really interesting, you observed this about Louis Thoreau's approach in this documentary, is that the normal answer to this sort of toxic masculinity would be traditional masculinity, right?

00:21:56.000 The things that I try to preach on the show that many of us try to preach about the actual virtue of hard work, making commitments to one woman, protecting her, creating a family, all the things that actually we know from the social science generate actual lifetimes of happiness.

00:22:09.000 But one of the things that the left has done, and Thoreau falls into this trap, is on the one hand, he wants to condemn all of this immorality for being vulgar and terrible.

00:22:17.000 And on the other hand, because he's socially liberal, he has no language with which to actually condemn this behavior.

00:22:23.000 And so instead, he suggests that it's more about the grift or that it is more about lack of consent in some cases.

00:22:29.000 But there's one point in the documentary that's kind of fascinating where he is talking to Justin Waller's wife.

00:22:34.000 And at a certain point, she's acquiescing in all of this.

00:22:37.000 And the normal kind of traditional answer would be, it doesn't matter if you acquiesce in this.

00:22:41.000 What you're doing is bad for yourself and bad for your kids and bad for your family and not a way that you should be living.

00:22:45.000 But he doesn't have the capacity to condemn it in that fashion.

00:22:48.000 And so he seems almost at a loss.

00:22:49.000 What do you make of that?

00:22:51.000 Right.

00:22:52.000 Well, you know, this is the sort of the consent-based morality of modern secular progressive kind of culture, where as long as everyone agrees to it, if there's a tacit understanding, then anything goes.

00:23:04.000 But of course, this is, you know, it can erode relationships, a lot of the ideas that the Manosphere peddles.

00:23:12.000 One example of this, and when I wrote about this piece recently in the Wall Street Journal, there were sort of multiple layers of contradictions and hypocrisy.

00:23:19.000 So one of them was that these guys, sort of the bedrock foundation of their framework is women are born with innate value and men are not, which there's a grain of truth to that. 0.99

00:23:30.000 But what they say, oh, women are born with innate importance and value. 1.00

00:23:33.000 And then they immediately contradict this by telling their followers to mistreat women.

00:23:37.000 So do women have value or not? 1.00

00:23:39.000 Why are you telling your followers to mistreat women if they have value?

00:23:42.000 And then they say, okay, well, men have no value.

00:23:44.000 Well, how do you acquire value?

00:23:45.000 How does a man signal value? 0.99

00:23:46.000 Well, it's through money. 0.56

00:23:47.000 It's through sex.

00:23:48.000 It's through status.

00:23:50.000 Okay, the young guy says, well, how do I get those things?

00:23:52.000 And the influencer says, well, you sign up for my fake university for my overpriced subscription service.

00:23:57.000 You join my Telegram channel where I'm advertising OnlyFans content creators.

00:24:02.000 I mean, it's this very sort of bizarre thing where they're saying, you know, oh, break out of the matrix, escape, and learn how to become this alpha male, this cartoonish vision of masculinity.

00:24:12.000 But it's all sort of extracting money from their followers.

00:24:15.000 It's very dishonest.

00:24:18.000 You know, Rob, one of the other things that's happened here is that a lot of this has become, because we live in such a polarized political time, there are a lot of people on the right who refuse to just condemn it.

00:24:25.000 They will say, no, no, this is part of our coalition now.

00:24:28.000 We need association with these sorts of figures.

00:24:30.000 We can't, I mean, there were very strong rumors, for example, that members of the Trump administration had attempted to call the Romanian authorities to allow the Tate brothers to travel, for example.

00:24:41.000 And so there is this sort of attempt by some on the right to legitimize these figures mainly because they are seen as joiners in the anti-left coalition.

00:24:50.000 It seems like that undermines a lot of the main points that the right has to make generally.

00:24:55.000 Yeah, well, it's a moral compromise.

00:24:57.000 You know, this is sort of sort of put for political ends.

00:25:00.000 These guys have some popularity.

00:25:01.000 They have some cachet, some clout with these young boys.

00:25:04.000 And so let's make this alliance with them in order to sort of bolster political support and maybe some sort of cultural support online.

00:25:12.000 But in the long run, I do think this sort of undermines sort of the moral legitimacy broadly of the conservative movement when you have guys like this who will openly preach to their followers on their podcast.

00:25:25.000 Oh, you should have a rotation of women. 1.00

00:25:27.000 You should mistreat women. 1.00

00:25:29.000 Hire cam girls and OnlyFans girls and make money off of them. 1.00

00:25:32.000 But then in that documentary, the Netflix documentary, Thoreau would ask these guys about their plan.

00:25:39.000 Oh, I'm going to have lots of women. 1.00

00:25:40.000 But then when he would ask them in front of their female partners, then suddenly they would walk it back and say, well, maybe I only want to be with one woman after all.

00:25:50.000 And so they're playing this character on their podcast of this cartoonish alpha male.

00:25:55.000 But then when Thoreau interviews them in the context of the relationship with the man and the woman present, the man suddenly becomes very timid about this, when in other cases he would be sort of very forceful and very confident.

00:26:08.000 And so to me, this is sort of a version of the luxury beliefs that I've pointed out on the progressive left, where you often see progressive elites who will get married and live very conventional family lives, but then will openly voice hedonism, short-term gratification, pleasure, have a lot of fun, don't worry about the future.

00:26:25.000 Well, the Manosphere guys are doing the same thing, a lot of them, where they have a committed relationship.

00:26:29.000 I know there's, you know, there's, there's, at least in some of the lives of these Manisphere influencers, they have an agreement with their partners or their wives or whatever, but still, you know, they live with them.

00:26:39.000 They are committed to them as their primary partner.

00:26:43.000 But then what are they telling their followers?

00:26:44.000 Have no relationship, no commitment whatsoever.

00:26:46.000 Sleep around, you know, be an alpha male.

00:26:49.000 And this is, you know, this is a hypocrisy that they're selling their followers.

00:26:52.000 And then when you point it out to them, you know, Thoreau points this out to them, you know, you're living one way, you're saying something else, what's going on here?

00:26:58.000 And they'll openly say, I'm doing it for clout.

00:27:01.000 You know, I don't believe this stuff.

00:27:03.000 You know, when they peddle in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, Thoreau points this out to them and says, oh, you know, this is just for fun.

00:27:08.000 It's just, you know, whatever increases my follower count.

00:27:11.000 It's a very sort of naked, open, just, you know, whatever boosts the follower count.

00:27:16.000 And in some ways, the fact that they're so honest about this leads me to think like it's not going to last.

00:27:21.000 You know, there's the whole thing about social media is people want authenticity.

00:27:24.000 And if they're openly saying I'm inauthentic, I don't think that popularity can last.

00:27:29.000 There is another side to this, and that is the question that I think the male lizard brain goes to.

00:27:34.000 When you watch these videos and you see these guys who are surrounded by good-looking women who are fawning all over them, they say, well, maybe it's working.

00:27:40.000 Maybe it's working.

00:27:41.000 And they turn off the critical faculty of their brain.

00:27:43.000 One of the things that happens here is that in the documentary, it is very clear that these young women are also in it for the clout.

00:27:49.000 That it is not as though these young women are suddenly attracted to these influencers or that they actually care about these influencers or even want to have sex with these influencers.

00:27:58.000 They believe that they are going to make more money if they somehow do crossover shows with the Manosphere influencers.

00:28:04.000 So in other words, toxic masculinity and toxic femininity, those are two halves of the same whole.

00:28:10.000 Yeah.

00:28:10.000 Yes.

00:28:11.000 And the whole game is, you know, how many people are watching this live stream?

00:28:15.000 How many followers do I have?

00:28:16.000 How many subscribers do I have?

00:28:18.000 And you can only play that game for so long.

00:28:20.000 And you see that for these guys in particular, that real life and social media are one and the same, where they don't know how to behave without the camera on when they're just living their order, you know, going about their lives.

00:28:33.000 They have to have the camera going.

00:28:34.000 They have to be watched.

00:28:35.000 And that's the only way that they can feel validated, legitimate.

00:28:37.000 What are my followers saying?

00:28:38.000 What are the comments saying?

00:28:40.000 And that is a very sort of shallow, superficial, empty way to lead your life.

00:28:44.000 Maybe when you're 21, 22, that can be exciting, but in the long run, this isn't going to work out for these guys.

00:28:51.000 And you can see this, you know, when Winthrop presses them in this documentary about their beliefs, they will suddenly start to crack and they'll say, you know, I don't give an F. I'm just doing it for money.

00:28:59.000 But in some ways, even that phrase feels a little bit inauthentic.

00:29:03.000 Like they know that the way that they're living their lives is wrong.

00:29:07.000 But if they can say, oh, well, money's a justification for it.

00:29:10.000 And in these guys' minds, anything for money is okay.

00:29:13.000 Then that is sort of the go-to excuse here.

00:29:16.000 Well, I get the followers, I get the money, then I get the girls. 1.00

00:29:18.000 And what more could you possibly want?

00:29:21.000 But in many cases, I don't even think they believe it.

00:29:25.000 Well, that's Rob Henderson from Manhattan, too.

00:29:27.000 Rob, really appreciate the time and the insight.

00:29:29.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:29:32.000 Well, speaking of the flip side, okay, well, we'll get to the flip side.

00:29:35.000 I just want to explain why, by the way, we are taking time with this.

00:29:37.000 One of the reasons that we are taking time with this is because, yes, we'll get to, I promise, all of the daily news, all the big things happening in the world, but more people in the United States are watching what's happening on Netflix than watching what's happening in the Middle East.

00:29:49.000 So it is important to note what your kids or what your friends or people like you are probably doing with their spare time because these are deep underlying trends that actually undermine the West.

00:29:58.000 Okay, so I do want to talk about the other side of this.

00:30:01.000 I just mentioned it to Rob.

00:30:02.000 It turns out that toxic masculinity and toxic femininity require one another. 1.00

00:30:06.000 As Thoreau shows in his documentary, many of the female influencers who are posting streams with these grifters appearing there in their bathing suits, they're doing it for the cash. 1.00

00:30:13.000 Here is an OnlyFans model, an influencer named Ellie Nutts, who shows up in the documentary.

00:30:20.000 Would it disappoint you if you found out that HS was very judgmental of OnlyFans and thought it was actually disgusting?

00:30:28.000 Not really.

00:30:30.000 No, I don't care for other people's opinion on what I'm doing myself.

00:30:34.000 I'm comfortable in my decisions.

00:30:36.000 LD commented saying Louis Theroux getting slops off the blonde.

00:30:40.000 No.

00:30:44.000 Double tap the screen out right now.

00:30:47.000 Male audience, what can you expect? 1.00

00:30:52.000 Well, all of this brings us to another cultural story that is making a big mark in the United States right now.

00:30:56.000 Again, culture is upstream in politics.

00:30:58.000 There's a person named Taylor Frankie Paul.

00:31:00.000 Now, I've been made aware of this by my producers, to be fair.

00:31:03.000 As you know, I live in the news.

00:31:04.000 I die by the news.

00:31:05.000 But apparently, lots and lots of people are following this story.

00:31:09.000 A person named Taylor Frankie Paul was the central figure of a TikTok group called Mom Talk.

00:31:13.000 She got famous posting family and lifestyle content.

00:31:16.000 She has 6 million followers on TikTok.

00:31:18.000 In 2022, she went viral after showing that members of her friend group had participated in what she called soft swinging.

00:31:28.000 The agreement, I already told you guys that The agreement was just like, as long as we were both there and we saw it and we knew it, it was okay.

00:31:38.000 And the second it goes behind without each other, then that's you stepped out of the agreement.

00:31:45.000 And I did that.

00:31:48.000 Hmm.

00:31:48.000 Sounds like a delightful lifestyle.

00:31:50.000 She divorced her first husband.

00:31:52.000 She has two children with him.

00:31:52.000 I know, shocking.

00:31:53.000 Then in 2023, those are some crazy eyes right there.

00:31:57.000 She was arrested after a domestic dispute with her boyfriend.

00:31:59.000 She has a child with him too.

00:32:02.000 So.

00:32:03.000 This seems like a person who should be on TV with impact to the American public.

00:32:06.000 She ended up on a reality show called The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

00:32:10.000 Fame and fortune can find you two.

00:32:12.000 All you have to do, all you really have to do, is be horrible and maybe ruin your life and also that of your kids.

00:32:18.000 Well, turns out Taylor Frankie Paul's wild ride wasn't done yet.

00:32:22.000 She was actually announced as the Bachelorette. 0.98

00:32:24.000 Why men would compete to be with this person is absolutely beyond me, other than men have lizard brains.

00:32:29.000 Here was Taylor Frankie Paul announcing as the Bachelorette. 1.00

00:32:34.000 For those of you that don't know me, I'm Taylor Frankie Paul.

00:32:37.000 You're a new bachelorette. 0.90

00:32:38.000 I'm still nervous.

00:32:39.000 I've been criticized, I've been judged, and I've been rejected.

00:32:42.000 But anyone that takes it down to know me will see that I'm actually a genuine person, and I mean well.

00:32:47.000 And a person that she has to be in reality is yellow time. 0.55

00:32:51.000 Stepping into this role as a bachelorette will be new for me.

00:32:54.000 I clearly don't fit into the mold.

00:32:56.000 I'm the first one not from the franchise, but I really admire all the women that stood before me. 0.91

00:33:02.000 You're opening up your heart to the world.

00:33:04.000 I do believe I was gifted this for another reason.

00:33:07.000 By the way, I don't know how women watch this and think it's even remotely genuine. 1.00

00:33:10.000 My husband popped up.

00:33:10.000 Seriously.

00:33:11.000 Women are gullible. 1.00

00:33:12.000 It's not just men. 0.98

00:33:13.000 Women are so gullible. 1.00

00:33:15.000 Close to you.

00:33:17.000 I feel like she said that while she was soft-swinging.

00:33:19.000 Anyway, it apparently all fell apart this week after allegations have waited for it.

00:33:23.000 Domestic violence against that charmer. 0.99

00:33:25.000 According to Axios, a spokesperson for the Draper Police Department confirmed to people earlier this week, it is now conducting a domestic violence investigation involving Paul and her ex-boyfriend, Dakota Morton.

00:33:35.000 She has a two-year-old son with him.

00:33:37.000 All these people have great family lives.

00:33:38.000 So ABC has a problem.

00:33:40.000 They're scrambling to figure out what to do, according to Axios.

00:33:44.000 So their answer was, put her on TV and let her explain.

00:33:47.000 And it did not go amazing.

00:33:50.000 What do you want to share with us about this?

00:33:53.000 Honestly, it's been a heavy time to see the headlines, especially during this time of The Bachelorette being released.

00:34:01.000 And it's supposed to be a really exciting time.

00:34:04.000 I'm a person that will always speak my truth.

00:34:08.000 And I'm, you know, that's what I'm known for.

00:34:09.000 And so when the time is right, I will be.

00:34:12.000 But right now, just trying to be in the present moment and focus on this.

00:34:18.000 But the thing is, is my kids do come first.

00:34:20.000 My kids come first.

00:34:22.000 And so they do not know.

00:34:23.000 They don't.

00:34:24.000 Just a back and forth process, trying to be here in the present moment, worrying about, you know, home and headlines.

00:34:29.000 It's been stressful, to be honest.

00:34:32.000 You know how I can tell her kids don't come first because she's not lived in any way like her kids come first, like at all, at all, at all, at all.

00:34:37.000 Wait until her kids are old enough to really watch what mommy's been doing. 1.00

00:34:40.000 Let's be real.

00:34:41.000 Bad female behavior, championed and upheld by major media outlets tends to underline toxic male complaints about women.

00:34:47.000 If you treat terrible female behavior as an aspect of liberation, as core to female existence, well, males might complain more about that. 0.82

00:34:56.000 And then those male complaints turn to toxic views and behavior.

00:35:00.000 When it comes to the sexes, a battle requires to tango. 1.00

00:35:05.000 All right, well, we'll get to more on this in just a moment.

00:35:07.000 Savvy, do we have any questions from our viewers?

00:35:10.000 Actually, our wonderful Lyndon Blake has just joined us.

00:35:13.000 Well, Lyndon Blake is an investigative reporter at the Daily Wire.

00:35:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:35:17.000 She hosts our true crime podcast series, and she's our trusty consultant on everything pop culture.

00:35:21.000 So, Lyndon, I'm going to ask you the question that I'm being asked.

00:35:23.000 Why should people pay attention to this?

00:35:25.000 Is this like a big story?

00:35:26.000 I got to tell you, like, I don't follow this stuff closely.

00:35:28.000 I have been told that this is an enormous national story.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, Ben, this is an enormous national story because The Bachelorette, The Bachelor franchise has been around for over two decades.

00:35:38.000 And what's the whole premise to find love, to find your lifelong partner, and to live happily ever after?

00:35:44.000 Well, as soon as they announced Taylor Frankie Paul as a bachelorette, I was so mad because I'm like, you could watch this girl in her TikToks, on her reality show, on any interview she's done ever, and can tell she is not mentally stable enough or in any type of form to go on a reality show to find love.

00:36:03.000 And the fact that The Bachelorette premieres Sunday, as in three days from now, with Taylor Frankie Paul, who is being investigated for allegedly choking her baby daddy with a necklace, and ABC's like, we're going to continue to roll it out.

00:36:21.000 It's absurd because imagine if the gender roles were reversed.

00:36:25.000 If this is a man that had these allegations about choking his wife or baby mama allegedly, they would halt production.

00:36:34.000 They would find something.

00:36:34.000 But no, like you said, they're putting her on Good Morning America, live with Kelly and Mark, all this thing.

00:36:40.000 She's on the Oscar's Red Carpet.

00:36:41.000 And it's like, what are you doing, ABC?

00:36:43.000 Like, why are you promoting someone that clearly needs to go spend some time away from all cameras, all social media, and maybe focus on her kids, maybe take her kids to the park, maybe just try to live a normal life for a second? 0.99

00:36:58.000 You know, Lyndon, we were talking a little bit earlier on the show about the Manosphere and their views of women, these views of women as promiscuous and terrible and attention-seeking. 0.51

00:37:07.000 And I have to say, I think that when the legacy media prop up women who actually are many of those things, it tends to underline a lot of what the Manosphere says, even if that is broadly untrue about women.

00:37:16.000 And it kind of grants the premise to a lot of these guys who are saying horrible things about women.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, I think you're seeing right now the pendulum kind of swing the other way around because on these social media posts that I've seen, you have people that are normally like, oh, like, screw men, like, I hate men, saying, can you imagine if Taylor Frankie Paul was a man?

00:37:37.000 Can you imagine if the roles are reversed?

00:37:40.000 And what is the most shocking thing to me?

00:37:42.000 And Ben, I'm sure you're not just glued to secret lives of Mormon wives, like, you know, a lot of us.

00:37:49.000 But what is shocking is that just wrapped like their season four finale has already aired.

00:37:55.000 And in this finale, you have Taylor missing her flight to go to LA to be on the bachelorette because why? 1.00

00:38:02.000 Because she's sleeping with her baby daddy, Dakota, her toxic, on again, off again person, the night before she leaves.

00:38:11.000 She is FaceTiming this man when she gets to LA on the way to Bachelor Mansion, being like, I love you and I hate you as she's about to go meet, you know, 30 men to date and try to find a husband. 0.99

00:38:24.000 And now we know because of these domestic violence allegations, no arrests, you know, she's already was arrested in 2023 for this.

00:38:30.000 No arrests have been made right now, but it's all under investigation.

00:38:34.000 You have child services involved.

00:38:36.000 And this was from a couple of weeks ago at the end of February, this alleged incident from both sides where there was choking allegedly involved.

00:38:43.000 So now you know, obviously, her bachelorette season was not a success because she's back with baby daddy and having baby daddy drama. 1.00

00:38:52.000 And it's absurd.

00:38:53.000 And it makes me so mad as a lifelong bachelor fan that they would do this.

00:38:58.000 What's the point?

00:38:59.000 Well, you know, again, this just goes to my premise, which is that no one should be a lifelong bachelor fan.

00:39:04.000 That's Lyndon Blake.

00:39:05.000 She's our investigative reporter who covers true crime among other issues.

00:39:08.000 Lynn, appreciate the time.

00:39:10.000 And I'm glad that I have someone here to guide me through the wilds of reality television.

00:39:14.000 We cover crime of all kind here, okay?

00:39:21.000 All righty.

00:39:22.000 Well, you know, in other gossip that's actually significantly more political, unbelievable story from the New York Times yesterday.

00:39:27.000 They dropped a bombshell piece yesterday on famed labor leader Cesar Chavez.

00:39:31.000 So, Cesar Chavez co-founded the United Farm Workers Labor Union.

00:39:34.000 He achieved lasting fame by getting California to allow far broader unionization.

00:39:39.000 As it turns out, people around Chavez knew for years, for decades, that Chavez was a serial abuser of women and underage girls for years, for decades.

00:39:49.000 The New York Times Expose alleges that a woman named Mergoya and another woman named Deborah Rojas, both of whom are now 66, were sexually abused by Chavez from 1972 to 1977.

00:40:02.000 Chavez died in 1993.

00:40:04.000 The findings from the New York Times are based on interviews with more than 60 people, including Chavez's top aides, relatives, former members of the United Farm Workers, as well as union records emails, photos, audio recordings from UFW board meetings.

00:40:17.000 According to the New York Times report, quote, Anna Margoya remembers the day the man she had regarded as a hero called her house and summoned her to see him.

00:40:24.000 She walks along the dirt trail, entered the run-down building, passed his secretary, and stepped into his office. 0.85

00:40:29.000 He locked the door, as he always did when he called her, and told her how lonely he had been.

00:40:34.000 He brought her onto the yoga mat that he often used in his office for meditation, kissed her, and pulled her pants down.

00:40:39.000 Don't tell anyone, he told her afterward, they'd get jealous.

00:40:41.000 The man, Cesar Chavez, one of the most revered figures in the Latino civil rights movement, was 45.

00:40:46.000 She was 13.

00:40:48.000 Mergoya said she was summoned for sexual encounters with him dozens of times, dozens of times over the next four years.

00:40:54.000 Apparently, adults knew and did nothing.

00:40:56.000 Dolores Huerta, his partner in founding UFW and the person who created the phrase, si se pueda, was apparently repeatedly raped by him.

00:41:03.000 She had two children by him.

00:41:05.000 Now she's 96, and she put out a statement, quote, I'm nearly 96 years old, and for the last 60 years have kept a secret because I believe that exposing the truth would hurt the farm worker movement I've spent my entire life fighting for.

00:41:17.000 I've encouraged people to always use their voice.

00:41:19.000 Following the New York Times' multi-year investigation into sexual misconduct by Cesar Chavez, I can no longer stay silent and must share my own experiences.

00:41:26.000 As a young mother in the 1960s, I experienced two separate sexual encounters with Cesar.

00:41:31.000 The first time I was manipulated and pressured into having sex with him, I didn't feel I could say no because he was someone I admired, my boss, and the leader of the movement I had already devoted years of my life to.

00:41:40.000 The second time, I was forced against my will and in an environment where I felt trapped.

00:41:46.000 She said that both sexual encounters with Cesar led to pregnancies.

00:41:50.000 She kept the pregnancies secret.

00:41:51.000 After the kids were born, she arranged for the kids to be raised by other families.

00:41:56.000 She says, I carried this secret for as long as I did because building the movement and securing farm worker rights was my life's work.

00:42:02.000 That's the thing, isn't it?

00:42:04.000 That's the thing.

00:42:06.000 Chavez was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1994.

00:42:09.000 His bust was actually put in the Oval Office by Joe Biden.

00:42:13.000 So, how did all of this go down for decades?

00:42:16.000 Well, buried in the New York Times story is the key line, quote, many of the women stayed silent for decades, both out of shame and for fear of tarnishing the image of a man who has become the face of the Latino civil rights movement.

00:42:28.000 His image on school murals and his birthday, a state holiday in California.

00:42:32.000 Yep, that is always the story, folks.

00:42:35.000 Here's the bottom line.

00:42:36.000 There are lots of human foibles.

00:42:37.000 One of them is supporting institutions over individuals.

00:42:41.000 Herein lies the locus of an untold amount of human evil.

00:42:45.000 Individuals are ruined, their lives destroyed, and people stay silent because they hope to uphold the institutions.

00:42:51.000 And then it turns out that the story comes out.

00:42:53.000 And when the stories come out, institutions lose their moral standing.

00:42:56.000 You see this happen over and over and over again.

00:42:58.000 The most obvious example, obviously, is the Catholic Church and the child sex abuse scandal, the shifting of parish priests around who are known abusers or suspected abusers. 0.62

00:43:07.000 The damage that did to the Catholic Church was inestimable, truly horrifying.

00:43:13.000 You see this happen with people who are complicit in covering up Jeffrey Epstein, pretend being friends with him, treating him as normal, even though he had already been convicted of sex trafficking of a minor.

00:43:25.000 By the way, there's new information showing that a lot of those friends got him rich by basically funneling him information.

00:43:31.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the Epstein for Epstein, the line between social networking and securities law was part of the way he conducted business.

00:43:40.000 Again, the idea here is that if you want to discredit the institution of capitalism, all you have to do is find people who are willing to back a Jeffrey Epstein character, willing to back somebody like a Jeffrey Epstein.

00:43:52.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, key advisors to people like Bill Gates passed along information about biotech startups that Bill Gates was investing in.

00:44:02.000 And you want to undermine institutions.

00:44:04.000 This is the way that you actually do it.

00:44:05.000 You want to undermine ideas, provide support for the ideas on the basis of loyalty to an important person.

00:44:11.000 And then the minute that you do, when that's uncovered, it destroys the entire institution.

00:44:15.000 Even in non-sexual situations like the scientific community, unwillingness to admit screw-ups by people like Anthony Fauci undermines the institution.

00:44:23.000 So what should the rule be?

00:44:25.000 Tell the truth.

00:44:26.000 Always.

00:44:27.000 Because failure to do so results in disaster, both for the victims and for the institutions linked with cover-ups of sin.

00:44:34.000 It's true for the manosphere.

00:44:35.000 It's true for bad female behavior. 1.00

00:44:37.000 And it's true for historic figures like Cesar Chavez.

00:44:40.000 Okay, in a second, we'll get to the actual news of the day because there's an awful lot of it first.

00:44:44.000 Let's talk about life insurance.

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00:46:15.000 Okay, quick check-in with our members, and then I want to get to the actual news of the day.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, I just have to say the chat is so excited that you said bear down yesterday, and they're very excited about the future of pterodactyl.

00:46:27.000 Ooh, spoiler alert.

00:46:29.000 So, folks, if you're not a subscriber and you're watching this on YouTube or something, we play a game.

00:46:33.000 The game is that our subscribers get to tell me a random word to somehow put into the show.

00:46:38.000 And then you have to see how I somehow manipulate that into the show.

00:46:41.000 That's the thing that's going to happen shortly.

00:46:42.000 We're getting there.

00:46:43.000 So James W. is asking, question.

00:46:45.000 I have four sons who can, what can parents do and fathers do to battle all these toxic ideas?

00:46:51.000 I mean, the basic idea is you have to model virtue.

00:46:51.000 Toxic idea.

00:46:54.000 It's in the water, right?

00:46:55.000 I model virtue for my sons.

00:46:58.000 I have two sons.

00:46:59.000 I model virtue for them by treating my wife like a queen and by protecting her and by taking her opinion seriously and by making decisions with her.

00:47:09.000 And yes, of course, I am the man of the house.

00:47:10.000 I'm the provider, the protector, and the defender.

00:47:13.000 But you want your kids to be virtuous, model virtue.

00:47:15.000 Okay, now to the news of the day.

00:47:17.000 There's breaking news on Joe Kent.

00:47:19.000 Well, well, well.

00:47:22.000 According to reporter Shelby Talcott of Semaphore, now confirmed by Fox, Joe Kent, who you'll remember is the former head of the National Center for Counterterrorism, who resigned after making this very loud statement about how terrible the Iran war is, well, he's currently under investigation, oh no, for allegedly leaking classified information.

00:47:40.000 That investigation reportedly predates that resignation from the administration.

00:47:45.000 And remember, he wrote this very loud letter saying that he was opposed to the action in Iran, and then he blamed that on the Israelis, of course.

00:47:52.000 He also blamed the Iraq war and ISIS in Syria on the Israelis for good measure. 0.97

00:47:56.000 Well, Tucker Carlson swooped in like an elp-adled pterodactyl to interview Kent.

00:48:02.000 This is unsurprising, given that Carlson and Kent have been tied at the hip for a long time.

00:48:06.000 Kent promptly explained to Tucker Carlson that Iran wasn't developing nukes.

00:48:11.000 And he knows that Iran wasn't developing nukes because the Iranians told him so.

00:48:17.000 Was Iran on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon?

00:48:22.000 No, they weren't three weeks ago when this started, and they weren't in June either.

00:48:27.000 I mean, the Iranians have had a religious ruling, a fatwa, against actually developing a nuclear weapon since 2004.

00:48:34.000 That's been in place since 2004.

00:48:36.000 That's available in the public sphere.

00:48:37.000 But then also, we had no intelligence to indicate that that fatwa was being disobeyed or it was on the cusp of being lifted.

00:48:46.000 Well, that's weird.

00:48:47.000 I don't believe him.

00:48:48.000 The reason I don't believe him is because I have the testimony of other people saying it's not true who have the actual intelligence.

00:48:53.000 By the way, that wasn't the only amazing moment of this interview.

00:48:55.000 Kent actually suggested as the former head of the National Center for Counterterrorism that Charlie Kirk might have been murdered by Israel.

00:49:03.000 So basically, he's Candace Owens, but with national security clearance.

00:49:09.000 And the last time I saw Charlie Kirk on this earth was in June in the West Wing, in the stairway.

00:49:17.000 And I said hi to him, and he looked me in the eye.

00:49:20.000 And he said very loudly, and it's a small, you've been in the West Wing.

00:49:22.000 It's small.

00:49:23.000 It's a tight space.

00:49:25.000 And he said, Joe, stop us from getting into a war with Iran.

00:49:28.000 Very loudly.

00:49:29.000 He was single-minded.

00:49:30.000 And he walked off and he went, I believe, into the oval.

00:49:33.000 So when one of President Trump's closest advisors who is vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink at least our relationship with the Israelis, and then he's suddenly publicly assassinated, and we're not allowed to ask any questions about that.

00:49:53.000 The real question here is how this person, this conspiratorial person, ended up as the head of the National Center for Counterterrorism. 0.91

00:50:01.000 Ridiculous. 0.57

00:50:02.000 That's no wonder that clips of Tehran Tucker and Joe Kent were playing on repeat on Iranian and Russian state TV yesterday. 0.80

00:50:08.000 That is not a joke.

00:50:09.000 That is a thing that actually happened.

00:50:10.000 Iranian airspace, their internet, shut down.

00:50:14.000 But they will definitely play you Tucker Carlson and Joe Kent.

00:50:17.000 Let's be clear, however, it now appears that Kent was not acting out of some sort of anti-war principle, but on the cynical calculation that he could counter-program news of his investigation by loudly quitting and blaming the Israelis.

00:50:29.000 So it's fair to ask at this point just what Kent allegedly leaked.

00:50:33.000 We're going to find out.

00:50:34.000 We know that Tucker was his first stop.

00:50:35.000 We also know that Carlson has repeatedly reported supposed inside information, including just this week, when he accused the CIA of targeting him based on Wait for it intelligence sources.

00:50:45.000 Now, it's also possible that Kent's alleged leaks have nothing to do with Tucker Carlson.

00:50:49.000 The isolationist wing of the Trump administration is the leakiest shop in town.

00:50:54.000 And it's a little odd that Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, just hired one Dan Caldwell in some unspecified advisory capacity.

00:51:01.000 You might remember Dan Caldwell from such things as, you know, being fired from the Defense Department amidst accusation of being a leaker.

00:51:09.000 And this brings us to the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:51:12.000 Gabbard testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday.

00:51:15.000 She gave a half-hearted response to the question of whether Iran posed an imminent threat to the United States.

00:51:21.000 Was it the assessment of the intelligence community that there was an imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime?

00:51:29.000 The intelligence community assessed that Iran maintained the intention to rebuild and to continue to grow their nuclear enrichment capabilities.

00:51:37.000 Was it the assessment of the intelligence community that there was a, quote, imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime, yes or no?

00:51:44.000 Senator, the only person who can determine what is and is not an imminent threat is the president.

00:51:49.000 False.

00:51:50.000 This is the worldwide threats hearing where you present to Congress national intelligence, timely, objective, and independent of political considerations.

00:52:00.000 Now, she won't actually just say the thing, which is that Iran was, in fact, a threat.

00:52:04.000 She won't say that because, of course, Tulsi Gabbard has always been incredibly soft when it comes to Russia, Iran, and other enemies of the United States in her generalized outlook.

00:52:13.000 Contrast her language with that of the CIA director, John Ratcliffe, who specifically asked about this.

00:52:20.000 Is there anything to indicate that Iran had ceased in its nuclear ambitions or in its desire to continue to build ballistic missiles capable of threatening American troops and allies in the Middle East?

00:52:37.000 Senator, no, in fact, the intelligence reflects the contrary.

00:52:41.000 So you disagree with Mr. Kent?

00:52:45.000 I do.

00:52:48.000 Now, listen, it's not just that Tulsi Gabbard has been less than overt in support of President Trump's actions.

00:52:53.000 The vice president, Vice President Vance, continues to signal what can best be described as kind of tepid support for the president's assessment, which again is an odd position for the VP, who seems to be stuck in many ways between the warmth that he has towards some of the Grievance Party and, you know, traditional Trump MAGA.

00:53:10.000 Here was the vice president yesterday.

00:53:13.000 The president has said this.

00:53:14.000 I've said this.

00:53:15.000 Nobody likes war, right?

00:53:17.000 And I guarantee you the president of the United States is not interested in getting us, you know, in the kind of long-term quagmires that we've seen in years past.

00:53:26.000 I know the president.

00:53:27.000 I know the way that he thinks about America's national security.

00:53:30.000 That is not a risk with this president at all.

00:53:33.000 What he has also said consistently for 10, 15 years, maybe even longer, is Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and he's willing to take action, diplomatic, ideally, but military action if he has to to make sure that that doesn't happen.

00:53:45.000 That's all this is about.

00:53:47.000 We don't want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon. 0.93

00:53:49.000 The president's been clear about this, and that's what led to the president's decision of, what, about three weeks ago.

00:53:57.000 So, where are Republicans on all this?

00:53:59.000 Because we keep hearing that Republicans are super duper split.

00:54:02.000 Well, here's the thing, they're not at all, like at all, at all.

00:54:06.000 They are with President Trump.

00:54:07.000 Here's CNN's Harry Enton explaining.

00:54:11.000 Just take a look here.

00:54:12.000 MAGA GOP view of Trump.

00:54:14.000 Approve 100%, 100%.

00:54:18.000 If you are a member of MAGA and the GOP, you approve of Donald John Trump 0%.

00:54:25.000 Say that they disapprove.

00:54:26.000 You don't have to be a mathematical genius to know you can't go higher than 100%.

00:54:33.000 Well, yes.

00:54:34.000 Actually, there is even a poll that came out on the specific question here.

00:54:37.000 It's from a group called Jail Partners, and it asks explicitly whether Republican voters trust President Trump on Iran or Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, who is sort of the new addition to the grievance party.

00:54:47.000 The answer, 83% Trump, 6% Carlson and Kelly.

00:54:53.000 But we keep being told Carlson and Kelly are the real voice of MAGA.

00:54:56.000 So what's really going on?

00:54:58.000 The answer is this.

00:54:59.000 At the elite level of the administration, there is, in fact, an attempt to pry MAGA away from President Trump.

00:55:05.000 Some members of the administration don't want to say this openly because they would like to have it both ways.

00:55:09.000 They want to simultaneously claim it Trump's mantle and also disown his policy.

00:55:14.000 Members of the grievance party outside the government are sometimes clearer.

00:55:17.000 The less cowardly ones, like say a Candace Owens or a Marjorie Taylor Greene, are clearly breaking with President Trump openly.

00:55:23.000 And then you have the more cowardly ones like Tucker Carlson or Joe Kent or Megan Kelly who are pretending that Trump has been bamboozled, hoodwinked, and that they're really not arguing with President Trump at all. 0.86

00:55:34.000 They're just arguing with the people who are manipulating Trump, puppeteers behind the scenes. 0.68

00:55:39.000 In the end, none of it matters because what's really happening is that a splinter faction of the Trump coalition wishes to run a palace coup.

00:55:46.000 It's not going to work unless that splinter faction is somehow able to convince President Trump to end the action in Iran before a clear victory is won.

00:55:54.000 And that's precisely what they would like to do.

00:55:56.000 They understand full well that if President Trump wins, if the Iranian regime is so weakened that they pose no further offensive threat, if the price of oil dives again, if the Iranian regime is irrevocably weakened and near failure, then their Noam Chomskyite foreign policy priorities will be shoved to the side and they themselves will probably be ostracized from the levers of policy.

00:56:16.000 So they're banking on America losing.

00:56:18.000 They're banking on President Trump losing.

00:56:20.000 Undoubtedly, some of these figures are contemplating a 2028 presidential run themselves.

00:56:25.000 And that, of course, totally depends on Trump failing.

00:56:27.000 And so they are betting on that failure and pushing for that failure.

00:56:30.000 Now, I think that's a terrible bet.

00:56:32.000 What's worse, given the fact that America is currently facing down in battle, an intractable terrorist enemy responsible for hundreds, if not thousands of American deaths, it is a deeply wicked bet.

00:56:43.000 And this brings us to the latest in Iran.

00:56:44.000 So yesterday, as we reported, Israel struck the South Powers gas fields in Iran.

00:56:49.000 This was reportedly pre-approved by the United States.

00:56:52.000 The U.S. didn't fly the sorties.

00:56:53.000 I got to say, it is obvious that Israel would not have hit the South Pars gas fields without coordinating that with the United States, given the extraordinary level of coordination between Israel and the United States in this operation.

00:57:05.000 And it was done as leverage against the Iranian government.

00:57:07.000 Leave the strait alone or face the consequences.

00:57:10.000 So the Iranian government immediately retaliated by firing on Qatari gas facilities.

00:57:14.000 Yesterday, President Trump issued a statement making clear that Iran had better leave Qatar's facilities alone or the United States would directly hit the South Pars gas field.

00:57:22.000 So he used some plausible deniability.

00:57:24.000 Here he said, Israel, out of anger for what has taken place in the Middle East, has violently lashed out at a major facility known as South Pars gas field in Iran.

00:57:32.000 A relatively small section of the hole has been hit.

00:57:34.000 The United States knew nothing about this particular attack.

00:57:36.000 The country of Qatar was in no way, shape, or form involved with it, nor did it have any idea this was going to happen.

00:57:41.000 Unfortunately, Iran did not know this or any of the pertinent facts pertaining to the South Pars attack and unjustifiably and unfairly attacked a portion of Qatar's LNG gas facility.

00:57:50.000 No more attacks will be made by Israel pertaining to this extremely important and valuable South Pars field unless Iran unwisely decides to attack a very innocent, in this case, Qatar, in which instance the United States of America, with or without the help or consent of Israel, will massively blow up the entirety of the South Pars gas field at an amount of strength and power that Iran has never seen or witnessed before.

00:58:10.000 I don't want to authorize this level of violence and destruction because of the long-term implications it will have on the future of Iran. 0.63

00:58:16.000 But if Qatar's LNG is again attacked, I will not hesitate to do so.

00:58:19.000 So it appears that what happened here is that Israel, yes, with the coordination of the United States, hit the South Pars gas field as a warning to Iran to back off the Strait of Hormuz.

00:58:28.000 And the Iranians decided to go on offensive and hit Qatar instead. 0.83

00:58:30.000 Qatar called up President Trump.

00:58:32.000 President Trump then said to the Iranians, listen, you better lay off Qatar or we will blow it up personally.

00:58:32.000 They said, we don't like this.

00:58:37.000 We'll do it ourselves.

00:58:39.000 And as far as the Straits of Hormuz, again, I do not think every lever has been pulled there, even remotely yet.

00:58:44.000 Meanwhile, the Saudi Arabian government, which so far has not actually participated in offensive activity, it seems like they are moving closer and closer to doing that.

00:58:52.000 Because here's the thing: the last thing the Saudis want, because the Iranians hate the Saudis, the last thing they want is to leave a rump Iranian Ayatollah regime in place dedicated to Saudis' destruction. 0.55

00:59:02.000 Here was the Saudi foreign minister yesterday.

00:59:06.000 I don't know how they claim to be fighting for Islamic causes while attacking Islamic countries.

00:59:12.000 are not attacking a single nation.

00:59:15.000 Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Lebanon, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Turkey.

00:59:27.000 All these countries are Islamic countries, yet Iran attacks them.

00:59:32.000 And even before this war, what was Iran's contribution in the issues related to the Islamic world?

00:59:43.000 Well, the Arab League held an emergency meeting to condemn Iran.

00:59:48.000 And notice what they didn't do.

00:59:49.000 They didn't call for a joint U.S.-Israeli operation to stop because they are very much on board with what is happening right now.

00:59:56.000 Regional opposition to Iran is actually growing stronger, not weaker at this point.

00:59:59.000 Iran's strategy, which was to literally go ballistic at all the other countries in the region, it hasn't just not broken the will of the U.S.-Israel and Arab alliance.

01:00:07.000 It's actually making it stronger.

01:00:09.000 At the same exact time, Israel continues to strike individual IRGC and Basij members in pinpoint strikes.

01:00:14.000 Here's a pretty astonishing video.

01:00:15.000 You're going to see a Basiji who is exiting an IRGC facility, it appears.

01:00:20.000 It's just an individual, and he's about to no longer exist.

01:00:24.000 Like in one second, he's about to be wiped from the earth.

01:00:27.000 Yep, that's the end of him.

01:00:30.000 Well, these sorts of strikes, I would imagine, are in preparation for clearing the ground for a popular uprising.

01:00:35.000 Our Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, seems pretty confident.

01:00:37.000 Here he was today.

01:00:40.000 We're starting to see defections at Treasury.

01:00:44.000 We now know where the Iranian leadership bank accounts are.

01:00:49.000 And those are being frozen.

01:00:51.000 And we will hold them and see who comes forward in terms of defections.

01:00:58.000 But we're starting to see defections throughout the regime.

01:01:02.000 And that's how this ends. 0.80

01:01:04.000 So, you know, the idea of some tolling arrangement is ridiculous.

01:01:09.000 Okay, so we'll see what happens next.

01:01:11.000 Suffice it to say, the United States, it is amazing.

01:01:13.000 If you watch the legacy media, you would think the United States is being hammered.

01:01:17.000 It's insane.

01:01:18.000 It's insane.

01:01:19.000 Britt Hume actually made a fantastic point on Fox earlier this week.

01:01:22.000 He said, assume that the countries were averse for a second and assume that the president of the United States was dead, the Secretary of Defense was dead, the Secretary of State was on the run, that the major heads of the Army, Navy, and Air Force were dead, that we had no Air Force and we had no Navy, and that every single day, members, top members of the brass and pretty much all internal security were being pummeled.

01:01:42.000 Imagine that were happening to the United States.

01:01:44.000 Would we be winning or would we be, and we had inflicted basically zero casualties on the enemy.

01:01:48.000 Would we be winning or losing?

01:01:50.000 The answer there is pretty obvious.

01:01:52.000 Well, meanwhile, on the Hill, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen's nomination to head DHS is a hot topic.

01:01:58.000 He passed through the Senate Intelligence Committee today 8-7, but yesterday it got pretty heated.

01:02:06.000 So in his testimony, he explained that sanctuary cities are effectively in violation of federal law.

01:02:14.000 As I said going on, we don't get to choose which laws we enforce.

01:02:21.000 As elected officials, you shouldn't choose which laws you enforce.

01:02:24.000 We're not asking them to go out there and enforce immigration.

01:02:26.000 We're just saying be good partners with us.

01:02:28.000 If we've got to serve judicial warrants, let us go serve the judicial warrants.

01:02:32.000 If you pull over somebody that's wanted, that's in the country illegally and it's a municipality, we're saying just hold them. 0.86

01:02:39.000 At least let us do a background check on them and see who they are.

01:02:43.000 I mean, his performance was generally fine, obviously.

01:02:46.000 John Fetterman is one Democrat who crossed the aisle to vote in favor of Mark Wayne Mullen, with whom he is friends.

01:02:56.000 Last time I met, it was you and your wife behind you when I was here at the orientation here in the Senate.

01:03:02.000 And even before you got the call for the big job, you know, we were even discussing about getting together and having dinner as family.

01:03:09.000 So that's an ongoing relationship because that's also part of the fact here in this town, you got to get along and find a way to work together.

01:03:17.000 And now we have to come at it and just let things go in the past for that.

01:03:23.000 Again, it is just insane to me that John Fetterman appears to be one of the only people with common sense in the Senate.

01:03:29.000 Senator Rand Paul, who obstructs President Trump's agenda on a regular basis, also decided it was time for some personal revenge against Mullen.

01:03:36.000 A long time ago, you'll remember that Mullen made some bad comments about a physical attack by Paul's neighbor against Rand Paul.

01:03:42.000 He was basically hit from behind, Rand Paul, by his neighbor.

01:03:45.000 He broke some ribs.

01:03:46.000 It was really bad.

01:03:47.000 And Mullen at the time had said he understood the neighbor because that's how much he hates Rand Paul.

01:03:50.000 And Rand Paul decided now was the moment.

01:03:52.000 So he went for it.

01:03:55.000 Sheer lack of any kind of self-awareness that you're going to be leading thousands of men and women who will have the use of force.

01:04:04.000 And there's been great questions in our country about how that will be used.

01:04:07.000 And you think a violent attack is just fine.

01:04:10.000 So I guess my first question is, do you think that justifying that kind of violence sets a good example for the men and women of ICE and Border Patrol?

01:04:21.000 Mr. Chairman, first of all, I didn't know the extent of your damage.

01:04:24.000 When a phone call was made, I made it to you and I tried to talk to you.

01:04:28.000 You didn't engage at all.

01:04:29.000 In fact, you said, get your paperwork in.

01:04:31.000 It's got to be three days in between.

01:04:33.000 You offer no apology, sir.

01:04:36.000 And you offer no apology today and no regrets.

01:04:40.000 Haven't heard the word apologize.

01:04:42.000 Haven't heard the word regret.

01:04:43.000 Haven't heard I misspoke and it was heated and I made a mistake.

01:04:47.000 I didn't hear any of those words.

01:04:49.000 Sir, actually, it wasn't heated, and I'm not apologizing for pointing out your code.

01:04:53.000 Good.

01:04:54.000 So you're jolly well fine, and you want the American public and the people up here to vote that may or may not vote for you to know that you supported the felonious, violent attack on me from behind.

01:05:05.000 I did not say I supported it.

01:05:08.000 Well, finally, Mark Wynn Mullen had had enough, and he went right back at Rand Paul.

01:05:13.000 Chairman Maid, calling me a liar.

01:05:16.000 Sir, I think there's everybody in this room knows that I'm very blunt and direct to the point.

01:05:21.000 And if I have something to say, I'll say it directly to your face.

01:05:24.000 If you recall back in your, back in my house days, we actually did have this conversation because of remarks that I made.

01:05:31.000 You were in a room.

01:05:33.000 I simply addressed that I said I could understand because of the behavior you were having, that I could understand why your neighbor, why the neighbor did what he did.

01:05:42.000 As far as my terms, the snake in the grass, sir, I work around this room to try to fix problems.

01:05:48.000 I've worked with many people in this room.

01:05:50.000 Seems like you fight Republicans more than you work with us.

01:05:53.000 I did address those remarks.

01:05:54.000 I did explain your gimmicks by the amendment you put forth.

01:05:59.000 And as far as me saying that I invoke violence, I don't.

01:06:03.000 I don't think anybody should be hit by surprise.

01:06:05.000 I don't like that.

01:06:06.000 But if I do have something to say, everybody in this room knows I'll come straight to you.

01:06:14.000 Well, you know, the interpersonal fighting here, not particularly useful.

01:06:18.000 So Mullen is very much likely to be confirmed if he is not somehow held up by some sort of filibuster.

01:06:24.000 He's not going to get Rand Paul's vote.

01:06:25.000 Senator Fetterman likely will vote for him.

01:06:28.000 All righty.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 19, 2026

Factmogging the Manosphere

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