The Ben Shapiro Show - Fight Night 2, Round 1: It’s On! | Ep. 829

00:00:00.000 Democrats split between the Radicals and the Saints.

00:00:02.000 Sanders and Elizabeth Warren form an unlikely team-up and Marianne Williamson comes away with a surprise victory and also crystals.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:10.000 This is the Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:11.000 Mary Ann, Mary Ann, Mary Ann.

00:00:20.000 It was great.

00:00:21.000 Okay, so it was democratic debate.

00:00:24.000 Round two.

00:00:25.000 Fight night one.

00:00:26.000 It happened all last night.

00:00:27.000 We're going to go through all of it.

00:00:28.000 We're going to explain why Marianne Williamson, her big night actually had kind of some import to it.

00:00:34.000 I'll explain in just one second.

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00:01:53.000 So, it was the Democratic debates.

00:01:53.000 All righty.

00:01:56.000 Round two.

00:01:57.000 So tonight, Is the other one.

00:01:57.000 Fight night one.

00:01:59.000 Tonight is the one with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Cory Booker, and it's going to be all race, all the time.

00:02:04.000 Can old Joe get up off the mat?

00:02:05.000 But last night was fascinating for another reason.

00:02:08.000 It really highlighted the division inside the Democratic Party between the sane and the insane.

00:02:13.000 The insane right now have their hands on the steering wheel.

00:02:16.000 When I say the insane, I mean the people who are proposing massive, radical change to the United States.

00:02:20.000 People like Elizabeth Warren.

00:02:22.000 People like Bernie Sanders.

00:02:23.000 People, yes, like Pete Buttigieg, who originally came out as a moderate and then Has sort of backtracked ever since, all the way to the point where he is now suggesting you're a bad Christian if you don't support his ideas on minimum wage.

00:02:34.000 And so there is this radical wing of the party.

00:02:36.000 Then, there is the moderate wing of the party.

00:02:38.000 And actually last night on the stage, the moderates outnumbered the radicals.

00:02:42.000 The moderates on stage...

00:02:44.000 Folks like Amy Klobuchar and Tim Ryan from Ohio and John Delaney, who actually showed pretty well, former congressperson, and Steve Bullock from Montana.

00:02:52.000 And what these divisions between the radicals and the sane showed is that when asked very simple questions, the radicals simply could not defend their policies.

00:03:01.000 They're running far to the left on the idea of grand visions, grandiose plans for the future.

00:03:06.000 And the moderates are sitting over there going, guys, you're going to lose, right?

00:03:11.000 You pushing too hard means that it will be a referendum on our policy.

00:03:14.000 It won't be a referendum on President Trump anymore.

00:03:16.000 So they're trying to grip the coattails of these radical Democrats and try to haul them back over the edge of the cliff.

00:03:23.000 And while it was pretty obvious that the radicals had no answers, it obviously wasn't working in the hall because the applause lines were all for the radicals in the hall, which makes sense.

00:03:31.000 It's a primary.

00:03:32.000 But all of these clips are going to live on forever.

00:03:34.000 This is why Rahm Emanuel, former congressperson, former chief of staff for Barack Obama, was saying openly yesterday that the Democrats are busy alienating an enormous percentage of the population with their prescriptions.

00:03:45.000 Now, the person who came away with the big win last night was the person who channeled the spirit of radicalism without actually any of the policy.

00:03:52.000 See, what we last night exposed, more than anything else, is that folks who are very into the radicalism of the Democratic Party, very into the radical left, Medicare for all, no first use of nuclear weapons, people who want to decriminalize illegal immigration.

00:04:08.000 What this showed, this debate last night, is that it's not that those policies are inherently popular or inherently wonderful.

00:04:13.000 People aren't resonating to the policies.

00:04:15.000 They're resonating to the notion put forward by the radicals that a change in policy will occasion a change in the spirit of man.

00:04:23.000 Barack Obama's appeal in 2008 was not a policy appeal.

00:04:26.000 He did not campaign on policy for five minutes of that entire campaign.

00:04:30.000 The reason that Barack Obama was very popular is because he campaigned on two things.

00:04:34.000 One, that he was going to be a unifying figure in the wake of the Bush administration and not only was he going to be a unifying figure, he was going to be a unifying racial figure, meaning that the greatest Drama and and cruelty in American history was going to be rectified by President Obama, who is going to bring all the parties back to the table.

00:04:51.000 He's going to bring everybody together.

00:04:52.000 We could resonate around the idea of a black president who signified the progress that America had made.

00:04:57.000 And then all Americans would be treated as Americans rather than as members of subgroups.

00:05:03.000 That was Barack Obama's chief appeal.

00:05:05.000 And that was tied to another appeal that Michelle Obama spelled out. 0.82

00:05:08.000 I found it incredibly off-putting at the time.

00:05:10.000 I still find it incredibly off-putting.

00:05:12.000 She said during the campaign that Barack was going to force you to be better.

00:05:16.000 He was going to change your spirits.

00:05:18.000 He was going to change your souls.

00:05:20.000 It was a religious appeal, an overtly religious appeal.

00:05:23.000 And that was appealing to a lot of folks on the left because the real vision of Marxism and most American leftism is tied to the ideas of Karl Marx is what distinguishes American leftism from

00:05:34.000 Normal sort of moderate policy or conservatism the roots of leftism lie in a materialist definition of reality in which true troubles in all of America's in all American walks can be boiled down largely to the inequalities produced by capitalism and by free markets and by property ownership If you read Marx, one of the things that Marx says, pretty obviously in the Communist Manifesto, is he talks about the idea that Marxism will transform man.

00:06:02.000 That man is malleable, and that Marxism will make man different.

00:06:04.000 That the reason man is bad is because man has been shaped by his socio-political environment in order to be bad.

00:06:10.000 That capitalism, free markets, property ownership, these have made man lesser.

00:06:15.000 And that in the future, inevitably, man will become greater as he lets go of these things.

00:06:21.000 And that's an overtly spiritual appeal.

00:06:22.000 It's actually a religious appeal.

00:06:24.000 Marianne Williamson, last night on the stage, was making religious appeals.

00:06:27.000 And those religious appeals are more in line with today's politics than the sort of technocratic politics that dominated America from basically the Eisenhower administration all the way through the George W. Bush administration.

00:06:39.000 The spiritual appeal is what got Barack Obama elected in 2008.

00:06:42.000 And it's the spiritual appeal that got Donald Trump elected in 2016.

00:06:46.000 Donald Trump didn't make a policy appeal at any point.

00:06:49.000 No point in 2016 did Donald Trump really talk about policy.

00:06:53.000 Instead, he talked about the quote-unquote spirit of America, making America great again, quote-unquote restoring the American soul, right?

00:06:59.000 That was the sort of idea.

00:07:00.000 It was a religious appeal.

00:07:02.000 And what he meant by restoring the American soul, unlike the vast majority of people in the media who lie and say that it was all about white response to Barack Obama and all of this, when he said that he wanted to make America great again, that was a spiritual appeal.

00:07:15.000 What he meant was he wants an America that was rooted in fundamental ideals of unity, where we were all firing our guns in the same direction.

00:07:23.000 Now, he wasn't clear about what the direction would be.

00:07:25.000 He was very vague about that, which was my main criticism of him, and one of many, in 2016.

00:07:30.000 But, that was a spiritual appeal.

00:07:32.000 Well, last night, the only person who was talking on a spiritual level was Marianne Williamson, and people have been mocking her for this.

00:07:38.000 I've mocked her for this. 0.88

00:07:39.000 The pretensions, and the crystals, and the massage oils, and the auras, and the penumbras, and all of this kind of stuff.

00:07:46.000 And it is weird.

00:07:47.000 It's weird.

00:07:47.000 But there is something she was doing last night that operated on a different level than the other Democratic candidates.

00:07:52.000 This doesn't mean she's going to win the nomination.

00:07:54.000 It does mean that whichever Democrat channels the zeitgeist that Marianne Williamson is attempting to channel is going to win the nomination and maybe the presidency. 0.99

00:08:03.000 Because what she was doing last night was not talking about the wonders of Medicare for All.

00:08:07.000 What she was doing last night instead was talking about changing the American soul. 0.97

00:08:12.000 And in a debate where the moderates were basically kicking around the radicals on policy, she's the only one who rose above it.

00:08:18.000 So she was saying the same sort of stuff.

00:08:20.000 I mean, she did an interview last night where she was specifically asked, what kind of Democrat was she?

00:08:25.000 She was asked this by Anderson Cooper, what kind of Democrat are you?

00:08:28.000 And Marianne Williamson is charmingly kooky.

00:08:32.000 I mean, even obviously Anderson Cooper is very much charmed by her.

00:08:37.000 And she's inherently hilarious because she's charmingly kooky. 0.99

00:08:41.000 But she says in the middle of this interview, in the one substantive point, that she is a Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Democrat.

00:08:46.000 But that's not what came across last night.

00:08:48.000 Because again, she wasn't speaking at the level of politics.

00:08:50.000 She was speaking at the level of dark forces and American spirits and all the rest of this. 0.96

00:08:54.000 Here's where she identifies politically and also why she's kind of charming. 0.74

00:08:58.000 I just find it really interesting, this notion that a plan is not enough, and who else, does anybody else that you have seen of all twenty... Why do you need anybody else?

00:09:09.000 You got me!

00:09:11.000 And what if there's anybody else?

00:09:13.000 No, that's my point.

00:09:15.000 Well, yeah, I agree.

00:09:17.000 There is no one else like you on that stage that I can... I don't take positions, but I can tell you that is a position I will stand by.

00:09:24.000 Yeah, well, you got me, so... So she's charmingly kooky, but then she finished that by saying she's an Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders Democrat, meaning she agrees with him on policy.

00:09:34.000 But that's not what came across last night, because that's not the level upon which she was campaigning.

00:09:37.000 OK, so now let's get into the details of this debate.

00:09:40.000 First of all, you want to talk about how radical the Democrats are?

00:09:43.000 Let's talk about Tom Perez.

00:09:44.000 So Tom Perez is the head of the Democratic National Committee.

00:09:47.000 He was made that while Barack Obama was still president.

00:09:49.000 He was the former head of the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ under Barack Obama, where he was extraordinarily radical himself.

00:09:57.000 I know folks who served in the DOJ at that time in the civil rights division.

00:10:01.000 And it was fairly obvious that Tom Perez was orienting that division in one particular way toward targeting one particular sort of discrimination while ignoring other forms of discrimination.

00:10:10.000 In any case, Tom Perez leads off this thing.

00:10:12.000 He's trying to get the crowd all revved up and he starts talking about global warming.

00:10:16.000 And then he gets into universe warming, which is not a thing because global warming is reliant on carbon emissions on Earth that create thickening of certain chemical levels in the atmosphere of the Earth.

00:10:33.000 Mars is not warming.

00:10:34.000 So here is Tom Perez saying silly things.

00:10:37.000 EPA administrator ought to get the memo on climate change because climate change is an economic crisis. 0.90

00:10:43.000 It's a public health crisis.

00:10:45.000 It's a moral crisis.

00:10:46.000 It threatens our universe.

00:10:48.000 And we must take action now.

00:10:51.000 It threatens our universe?

00:10:52.000 We believe that civil rights is the un- Okay, so it, um, yeah, man, everybody's getting all revved up.

00:10:56.000 Yeah!

00:10:57.000 Well, there he is, being as radical as possible, and then the Democrats are like, why aren't people resonating to John Delaney?

00:11:03.000 Because the head of your party's a crazy person who's standing up there talking about universe warming. 0.71

00:11:07.000 What in the, what?

00:11:08.000 By the way, if global warming were actually about universe warming, then carbon emissions wouldn't be the problem, would they?

00:11:14.000 It would be the sun.

00:11:15.000 That is the only body capable of warming the universe. 0.99

00:11:20.000 If we were just talking about the sun heating up, it would be a very different question than the emissions that are coming out of your cow's butt. 0.97

00:11:26.000 We'll get to the actual debate in just one second, but that was the setup. 0.94

00:11:30.000 The payoff was Democrats cheering for everything radical.

00:11:33.000 Well, logically, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders were absolutely exposed by the moderates on the stage last night.

00:11:38.000 It was pretty amazing, actually.

00:11:40.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:12:51.000 So let's jump into the actual debate.

00:12:54.000 So everybody sort of gave their opening statements and their opening statements made fairly clear where exactly they are on the spectrum.

00:13:01.000 Elizabeth Warren is vying for the progressive wing of the Democratic Party against Bernie Sanders.

00:13:06.000 Now, what was weird about this debate last night is you would have expected at some point Warren to go after Sanders or Sanders to go after Warren.

00:13:13.000 Instead, they seemed sort of content to leave each other alone and go after the moderates.

00:13:17.000 That's not going to help either of them because this is Highlander.

00:13:20.000 There can be only one.

00:13:21.000 If Warren and Sanders stay in the race, Joe Biden is the nominee.

00:13:25.000 It's that simple.

00:13:26.000 If Warren and Sanders stay in the race together and they're both earning double digits, Joe Biden is the nominee.

00:13:31.000 One has to take out the other.

00:13:32.000 Well, Sanders isn't going anywhere.

00:13:34.000 He feels like, I ran this race in 2016.

00:13:36.000 I should have won.

00:13:36.000 I'm not going anywhere.

00:13:38.000 And Elizabeth Warren feels bad that she didn't jump in in 2016. 0.89

00:13:41.000 So she's not going anywhere.

00:13:42.000 So at a certain point, they've got to turn their guns on each other.

00:13:44.000 That did not happen last night.

00:13:45.000 Instead, they're trying to demonstrate how radical they are.

00:13:48.000 So Elizabeth Warren has been trying to have it both ways. 1.00

00:13:51.000 She's super radical, just like Sanders, but also she's kind of moderate.

00:13:54.000 Well, no, she's just a radical. 0.99

00:13:55.000 So here's Elizabeth Warren making the pitch that the way that the Democrats win the White House is with big ideas, which of course is idiocy, by polling data. 0.97

00:14:03.000 The way the Democrats win the White House is by standing there and pointing at President Trump. 0.97

00:14:07.000 That's how they win.

00:14:08.000 If they talk about radical policy ideas, they lose.

00:14:11.000 And as we'll see, there were some Democrats on stage last night who actually pointed this out.

00:14:14.000 So here's Elizabeth Warren saying, we need courage, we need strength, and the base cheering along.

00:14:20.000 Good luck with this.

00:14:21.000 We're not going to solve the urgent problems that we face with small ideas and spinelessness.

00:14:29.000 We're going to solve them by being the Democratic Party of big structural change.

00:14:35.000 Okay, so big structural change.

00:14:38.000 That's her shtick. 1.00

00:14:39.000 Okay, and then she was asked, this is my favorite part of the debate.

00:14:42.000 There are a couple points where Warren really sort of demonstrated what she is.

00:14:45.000 So Tapper asked Warren about her statement that she is a capitalist.

00:14:50.000 And he says, why are you a capitalist?

00:14:51.000 And Warren basically says, I'm a capitalist because I'm a communist.

00:14:55.000 That's how I win.

00:14:56.000 That's how we can take back the office.

00:14:57.000 Senator Warren, you make it a point to say that you're a capitalist.

00:15:01.000 Is that your way of convincing voters that you might be a safer choice than Senator Sanders?

00:15:05.000 No.

00:15:05.000 It is my way of talking about I know how to fight and I know how to win.

00:15:10.000 Democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it.

00:15:17.000 I am not afraid.

00:15:19.000 And for Democrats to win, you can't be afraid either.

00:15:23.000 Boy, is she a low-rent Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:15:24.000 I mean, my goodness, she is rehearsed and she is canned, but I love that her answer to, is the reason that you're saying that you're a capitalist because you don't want to be Bernie Sanders.

00:15:32.000 Her saying, yes, basically.

00:15:34.000 She says, no, it is my way of talking about how I know how to fight and I know how to win.

00:15:37.000 Meaning, if I say that I'm not a capitalist, then I go the way of Bernie, so I'm not doing that.

00:15:41.000 So basically, she just answered yes to a question to which she answered no.

00:15:45.000 How horrible is Elizabeth Warren? 0.95

00:15:48.000 Elizabeth Warren is so horrible.

00:15:49.000 John Delaney, who's an actual business person, was asked about the wealth tax and before he starts to answer, you know, Don Lemon, who is just, as we will see, the worst Democrat debate facilitator ever.

00:16:04.000 He's just terrible because he should be on the stage.

00:16:06.000 If he actually wants to run, he should just run.

00:16:08.000 John Delaney's asked about as well.

00:16:10.000 Elizabeth Warren literally stood there and took her hands and started doing this with her hands in eagerness at taking John Delaney's money. 1.00

00:16:19.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:16:21.000 Here was that moment.

00:16:22.000 Your estimated net worth is more than $65 $5 million.

00:16:27.000 That would make you subject to Senator Warren's proposed wealth tax on the assets of the richest 75,000 homes, households or so in the United States. 0.89

00:16:35.000 What in the hell is wrong with this person? 0.98

00:16:37.000 What in the hell is wrong with her? 1.00

00:16:38.000 She's sitting there and she's literally, she's literally... 0.98

00:16:42.000 Taking her own hands and rubbing her hands in anticipation of taking John Delaney's wealth.

00:16:47.000 Who are you?

00:16:48.000 Why?

00:16:49.000 What gives you the right to rub your hands in anticipation and glee at taking somebody else's money?

00:16:54.000 She's so eager to take his money.

00:16:56.000 It's incredible.

00:16:57.000 Does that seem like somebody who's desperate to help poor people or desperate to hurt rich people?

00:17:01.000 What does that seem like to you?

00:17:03.000 That's Elizabeth Warren in a nutshell. 0.97

00:17:05.000 And by the way, if you think that Republicans won't cut that and say, this is Elizabeth Warren on your money, you are wrong.

00:17:11.000 I would cut that ad tomorrow because that is Elizabeth Warren on your money. 1.00

00:17:14.000 As we will see, by the way, with regard to Elizabeth Warren, she has no answers when it comes to how she's going to pay for any of her programs. 0.68

00:17:20.000 And she won't even tell the truth about the fact that her programs are going to cost the middle class an awful lot of money. 1.00

00:17:24.000 Okay, so that was Elizabeth Warren's pitch. 0.86

00:17:26.000 That was mirrored by Bernie Sanders.

00:17:27.000 So Warren and Sanders are just two sides of the same very weird coin.

00:17:30.000 So Bernie Sanders was in full Bernie mode last night.

00:17:33.000 I mean, he had turned the spinal tap speaker all the way up to 11.

00:17:36.000 There was a lot of yelling.

00:17:38.000 The hearing aid wasn't working properly.

00:17:40.000 He had really gotten the caffeine pro pudding in his veins.

00:17:43.000 And that pudding was flowing freely.

00:17:45.000 It was like there was crack in the pudding.

00:17:47.000 And Bernie Sanders was going off!

00:17:50.000 And so here's Bernie doing Bernie.

00:17:52.000 We have got to take on Trump's racism, his sexism, xenophobia, and come together in an unprecedented, unprecedented grassroots movement to not only defeat Trump, but to transform our economy and our government.

00:18:08.000 He is one continuous Howard Dean scream.

00:18:11.000 And people are loving it.

00:18:12.000 People are into it.

00:18:13.000 Okay.

00:18:13.000 And then you would get Pete Buttigieg.

00:18:14.000 So Buttigieg is now an also-ran. 0.98

00:18:16.000 Everybody's still treating him like he's a quasi-frontrunner.

00:18:19.000 He is not.

00:18:19.000 He is not in the top tier of candidates.

00:18:20.000 He polls well below 10%.

00:18:22.000 He is not anything.

00:18:23.000 He's future secretary of education, Pete Buttigieg, right?

00:18:26.000 I mean, in a democratic administration.

00:18:27.000 That's where this is going.

00:18:29.000 So here is Pete Buttigieg talking about all of the... Why he should be elected even though he is, what, two years older than I am?

00:18:36.000 He's 35.

00:18:36.000 He's 37 years old.

00:18:39.000 So Pete Buttigieg says that we have to go radical.

00:18:42.000 We have to go big or go home.

00:18:45.000 Science tells us we have 12 years before we reach the horizon of catastrophe when it comes to our climate.

00:18:51.000 By 2030, the average house in this country will cost half a million bucks, and a woman's right to choose may not even exist. 1.00

00:19:00.000 We're not going to be able to meet this moment by recycling the same arguments, policies, and politicians that have dominated Washington for as long as I have been alive.

00:19:10.000 Okay, so again, it's going to be, I'm young, and I'm radical, and I'm here.

00:19:14.000 Okay, so that was the radical wing of the Democratic Party last night.

00:19:17.000 Then you got to the reasonable people.

00:19:18.000 And when I say reasonable, I don't mean Republican, I just mean people who are not totally crazy.

00:19:21.000 Okay, Amy Klobuchar gets up there, and she says, listen, a lot of people are going to promise you stuff, but we have to live in reality, and I can win.

00:19:32.000 You're going to hear a lot of promises up here, but I'm going to tell you this.

00:19:36.000 Yes, I have bold ideas, but they are grounded in reality.

00:19:40.000 And yes, I will make some simple promises.

00:19:42.000 I can win this.

00:19:43.000 I'm from the Midwest.

00:19:45.000 That's not inspiring anybody, obviously.

00:19:46.000 That's not inspiring anybody.

00:19:48.000 But it is a reasonable pitch.

00:19:51.000 And that was the pitch that has been made by a bunch of different candidates on the stage last night.

00:19:56.000 Steve Bullock, who is the governor of Montana, he made the same pitch.

00:20:00.000 He said, listen, you guys are all going crazy.

00:20:02.000 I was watching that last debate, and you're more interested in running to the left than winning an election.

00:20:08.000 I come from a state where a lot of people voted for Donald Trump.

00:20:11.000 Let's not kid ourselves.

00:20:13.000 He will be hard to beat.

00:20:15.000 Yet, watching that last debate, folks seem more concerned about scoring points or outdoing each other with wish-list economics than making sure Americans know we hear their voices and we'll help their lives.

00:20:30.000 This, of course, is exactly right if they actually wanted to win.

00:20:33.000 John Delaney, who had a good night last night, former congressperson, he said the same thing.

00:20:37.000 He said, we can go down the Sanders and Warren route and then we'll lose.

00:20:40.000 Then we'll lose.

00:20:42.000 Folks, we have a choice.

00:20:44.000 We can go down the road that Senator Sanders and Senator Warren want to take us, with bad policies like Medicare for All, Free Everything, and impossible promises that'll turn off independent voters and get Trump re-elected.

00:20:59.000 That's what happened with McGovern, that's what happened with Mondale, that's what happened with Dukakis.

00:21:03.000 Correct.

00:21:04.000 Correct.

00:21:05.000 Okay, so again, this broke down very quickly into Sanders and Warren versus the quote-unquote moderates in the field.

00:21:10.000 And then there's Marianne Williamson, as we'll see.

00:21:12.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:22:18.000 Okay, so the other Democratic candidate on the stage who is somewhat moderate is John Hickenlooper, the governor of Colorado.

00:22:26.000 And he comes out, the former governor of Colorado, he comes out and he says, listen, your policies are not going to win you any seats.

00:22:33.000 All the people who won seats in last year's elections, those people are running on my policies, not your policies.

00:22:39.000 Last year, Democrats flipped 40 Republican seats in the House, and not one of those 40 Democrats supported the policies of our frontrunners at center stage.

00:22:51.000 OK, that is correct.

00:22:52.000 Correct.

00:22:53.000 OK, so again, stage breaks down into radicals versus moderates and then Marianne Williamson, who's just out there. 1.00

00:22:59.000 And Marianne Williamson, again, is making the same pitch as Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, but she's making an actually more honest pitch, which is, if you do what I want, we're going to transform the spirit of America.

00:23:11.000 Now, not my thing.

00:23:13.000 I think it's ugly in politics when political leaders do this routine.

00:23:16.000 I don't like it when Trump did it, I don't like it when Obama did it.

00:23:18.000 I don't think political leaders are there to be our spiritual mentors or guides.

00:23:21.000 I do not think that political leaders are there to transform our spirits.

00:23:24.000 I think that political leaders are there to do the things they promise they are going to do, and ideally, to uphold the rights that are established in the Constitution of the United States.

00:23:32.000 But unfortunately, I am in the minority on this.

00:23:34.000 Most people in the United States want a leader who is going to channel them.

00:23:37.000 They want the Wilsonian big man who is going to channel their spirit. 0.95

00:23:41.000 And Marianne Williamson does that better than anybody else on the stage last night. 1.00

00:23:45.000 Here she was in her opening pitch.

00:23:47.000 In 1776, our founders brought forth on this planet an extraordinary new possibility.

00:23:53.000 It was the idea that people, no matter who they were, would simply have the possibility of thriving.

00:23:59.000 And now it is time for a generation of Americans to rise up again.

00:24:04.000 For an amoral economic system has turned short-term profits for huge multinational corporations into a false god.

00:24:13.000 And this new false god takes precedence over the safety and the health and the well-being of we, the American people, and the people of the world, and the planet on which we live.

00:24:23.000 Okay, so again, she's using keywords in sort of the spiritualist push, and she's talking about thriving, which is a favorite word of a lot of sort of secular humanists.

00:24:32.000 She is talking about an amoral economic system.

00:24:36.000 Not an immoral, like an amoral economic, we need a morality.

00:24:39.000 She's talking about multinational corporations as false gods.

00:24:42.000 This is all deeply spiritual language and it's going to a level of the iceberg that the other Democrats are not going to.

00:24:48.000 The other Democrats are talking about policy here on the top of the iceberg.

00:24:50.000 Marianne Williamson is going beneath the surface of the iceberg.

00:24:53.000 Now again, does that mean she wins the nomination?

00:24:55.000 No.

00:24:55.000 It means that she is channeling something in the Democratic Party right now and in the American political system more broadly that goes deeper than the political debate.

00:25:04.000 So I know we're not supposed to take her seriously, but she's going to have a moment.

00:25:07.000 She's going to have a moment.

00:25:08.000 It's happening right now.

00:25:10.000 And now in a second, I want to get to the actual battles that happened, because as we'll see, the reason Marianne Williamson sort of flies over the top in this debate is because Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders on any objective level got brought back down to earth last night on their policy. 0.99

00:25:22.000 OK, so let's talk about that.

00:25:24.000 So there was a lot of talk about health care last night.

00:25:27.000 Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders both pushing Medicare for all, both lying about it.

00:25:31.000 So Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren keep making the same case, which is, sure, we're going to raise your taxes, although Elizabeth Warren lies about it and says she won't.

00:25:38.000 They both say, sure, we're going to raise your taxes, but in the end, you're going to pay less for health care, which, of course, is not really true in the sense that out of pocket, you will be paying more for health care because you're paying from your tax dollars, whereas right now, for the vast majority of Americans, their employer is paying for their health care.

00:25:54.000 Well, let's put it this way.

00:25:55.000 The employer is not going to lower your salary based on your healthcare benefits.

00:25:59.000 Your healthcare benefits will just go away, and then you will pay out of your own pocket for healthcare, which means in your pocket will be less money for the vast majority of Americans.

00:26:08.000 That's just a basic fact.

00:26:09.000 Your employer is mostly paying for your healthcare at this point, if you're in the employment-based market.

00:26:14.000 In any case, John Delaney points this out, because John Delaney isn't a crazy person.

00:26:18.000 And Delaney says, you keep talking about taking away the health insurance of 155 million people, you think that that's a real pitch?

00:26:25.000 You think that's really what you're going to do?

00:26:28.000 And Bernie Sanders has no answer, except to get very angry, and the crowd gets angry along with him.

00:26:32.000 What I'm talking about is really simple.

00:26:34.000 We should deal with the tragedy of being uninsured and give everyone healthcare as a right.

00:26:38.000 But why do we gotta be the party of taking something away from people?

00:26:41.000 No, no one is the party.

00:26:42.000 That's what they're running on.

00:26:44.000 They're running on telling half the country that your health insurance is illegal.

00:26:48.000 It says it right in the bill.

00:26:51.000 OK, that is exactly true.

00:26:52.000 That is exactly true.

00:26:54.000 So Warren tries to jump in right there and to save Bernie Sanders.

00:26:57.000 He says, why do we have to be the party of taking something away from people?

00:27:00.000 And then Warren doesn't like the idea that she is going to be castigated as such, which she will be.

00:27:05.000 She is taking something away from people.

00:27:07.000 She is saying that we have to make illegal private health insurance in the United States in order to achieve Medicare for all.

00:27:14.000 Delaney points this out.

00:27:15.000 Warren has no answer.

00:27:16.000 And then Delaney went on on healthcare and he is correct, exactly correct, calling her out for what this plan is.

00:27:22.000 I've been going around rural America, and I ask rural hospital administrators one question.

00:27:27.000 If all your bills were paid at the Medicare rate last year, what would happen?

00:27:32.000 And they all look at me and say, we would close.

00:27:35.000 But the question is, why do we have to be so extreme?

00:27:38.000 Why can't we just give everyone healthcare as a right, and allow them to have choice?

00:27:42.000 I'm starting to think this is not about healthcare.

00:27:44.000 This is an anti-private sector strategy.

00:27:48.000 Okay, so, again, then Dana Bash jumps in, we have to let it go.

00:27:52.000 But what he's saying there is of course exactly right.

00:27:54.000 If you say Medicare for all, and then you pay everything back at the reimbursement rate of Medicare, hospitals will shut down.

00:27:59.000 That's just the reality of the situation.

00:28:00.000 Doctors will stop taking Medicare as long as there is a private alternative.

00:28:04.000 Which is why people like Elizabeth Warren are suggesting that you gotta ban the private alternative.

00:28:08.000 And then Warren had to lie about the cost of Medicare.

00:28:10.000 So here is Jake Tapper grilling her on this.

00:28:12.000 Senator, just a point of clarification, in 15 extra seconds, would you raise taxes on the middle class to pay for Medicare for all, offset obviously by the elimination of insurance premiums, yes or no?

00:28:23.000 Costs will go up for billionaires and go up for corporations.

00:28:28.000 For middle class families, costs, total costs will go down.

00:28:32.000 Okay, for middle class family, total costs will go down.

00:28:35.000 By what gradation?

00:28:36.000 By what metric will total costs go down?

00:28:39.000 Costs to your employer or costs out of your pocketbook?

00:28:41.000 Because those are not quite the same thing.

00:28:44.000 Remember, your employer is paying for those benefits.

00:28:46.000 And then Bernie Sanders got the same treatment from Tim Ryan and John Delaney.

00:28:50.000 So Jake Tapper asks Bernie Sanders, he says, I understand it would provide universal coverage, but can you guarantee union members that the benefits of Medicare for all will be as good as the benefits that their union reps fought hard to negotiate?

00:29:03.000 Now Sanders starts to answer this question, and then Ryan jumps in, and then Sanders gets mad.

00:29:08.000 And it's Sanders' anger that has made him popular.

00:29:10.000 It is not Sanders' policies.

00:29:12.000 This is why, again, Marianne Williamson is channeling something, a thing.

00:29:15.000 Bernie Sanders is the closest to the other thing, right?

00:29:18.000 Bernie Sanders is the closest thing to an alternative, which is just sheer rage.

00:29:22.000 Just anger, yelling, screaming.

00:29:24.000 But Marianne Williamson is doing sort of the same thing as Bernie, and sort of the same thing as Obama.

00:29:28.000 And we'll see that in just one second.

00:29:29.000 Here is Bernie's answer to this.

00:29:31.000 I understand that it would provide universal coverage, but can you guarantee those union members that the benefits under Medicare for All will be as good as the benefits that their representatives, their union reps, fought hard to negotiate?

00:29:43.000 Well, two things.

00:29:44.000 They will be better because Medicare for All is comprehensive.

00:29:47.000 It covers all healthcare needs.

00:29:49.000 For senior citizens, it will finally include dental care, hearing aids, and eyeglasses.

00:29:55.000 Second of all... You don't know that, Bernie.

00:29:55.000 But you don't know that.

00:29:57.000 We'll come to you in a second, Congressman. 1.00

00:29:58.000 I do know, and I wrote the damn bill! 0.99

00:30:00.000 I said damn, so everybody's very excited. 1.00

00:30:02.000 I wrote the damn bill! 0.99

00:30:03.000 Well no, what you don't know is that Medicare is going to guarantee the same level of coverage as Cadillac medical plans that unions have negotiated. 1.00

00:30:10.000 In fact, I can guarantee you they won't.

00:30:12.000 It won't be the same thing.

00:30:13.000 Your care won't be as good.

00:30:14.000 Because Medicare is not as good.

00:30:15.000 We know what Medicare looks like.

00:30:16.000 People purchase supplemental insurance through Medicare Advantage.

00:30:19.000 It's why Medicare Advantage exists. 1.00

00:30:21.000 So Bernie is just lying out his butt there, but he said, damn. 0.99

00:30:24.000 And so everyone gets very excited. 0.99

00:30:26.000 So as I say, this contrast between radical left and moderate, it goes well for the crowd in the room, but for the rest of the election, it's not going to go well for Democrats because it won't just be Democrats in the room at that point.

00:30:38.000 Now, again, Marianne Williamson makes a different pitch.

00:30:40.000 Marianne Williamson gets up and she says about health care, I'm not going to talk about Medicare for all or not Medicare for all.

00:30:46.000 Instead, we're just going to talk about big ideas, big ideas.

00:30:50.000 And people start resonating to this.

00:30:52.000 Everything that we're talking about here tonight is what's wrong with American politics.

00:30:56.000 And the Democratic Party needs to understand that we should be the party that talks not just about symptoms, but also about causes.

00:31:02.000 When we're talking about health care, we need to talk about more than just the health care plan.

00:31:06.000 We need to realize we have a sickness care rather than a health care system.

00:31:10.000 We need to be the party talking about why so many of our chemical policies and our food policies and our agricultural policies and our environmental policies and even our economic policies are leading to people getting sick to begin with.

00:31:22.000 And again, she is doing something that is different than all the other Democrats.

00:31:25.000 The reason I keep bringing up Williamson is not just me.

00:31:27.000 I'm not just standing for Marianne here.

00:31:29.000 The reason that I'm talking about Williamson is because she was the number one searched, googled person in the debate last night in every single state except Montana.

00:31:37.000 In Montana, the number one search was their governor, Steve Bullock.

00:31:41.000 They were trying to google whether he was in fact their governor.

00:31:44.000 Because no one knows, it's Montana.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, but the fact is that Marianne Williamson was doing something different than everyone else on the stage last night.

00:31:50.000 As we will see, this was a race between radicals for the left, moderates trying to hold them back, and Marianne Williamson just going right over the top. 0.99

00:31:59.000 It was really kind of fascinating on a base political level.

00:32:03.000 We'll get to more of that in just one second.

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00:33:36.000 So Democrats racing for the left on immigration.

00:33:47.000 Elizabeth Warren repeated her nonsense about decriminalizing border crossings, which, of course, would only incentivize people to cross the border illegally between points of entry. 0.89

00:33:55.000 Instead of waiting to be processed at a point of entry, at which point you're going to be presumably detained, and then family separations take place, instead you try to cross at a non-port of entry, and then just enter the country illegally, and you wait for amnesty.

00:34:09.000 You want to encourage people to cross that Rio Grande illegally in significantly more dangerous conditions than they would get at a port of entry?

00:34:15.000 Do exactly what Elizabeth Warren is talking about right here.

00:34:18.000 So the problem is that right now the criminalization statute is what gives Donald Trump the ability to take children away from their parents.

00:34:29.000 It's what gives him the ability to lock up people at our borders.

00:34:34.000 She's just, she's terrible.

00:34:36.000 And then Bernie, this was really funny.

00:34:38.000 Bernie Sanders is actually harsher on the border than Warren.

00:34:41.000 So this would be an area where you would expect Warren and Sanders to go at one another a little bit, but it never happened.

00:34:45.000 Warren and Sanders formed a weird team up instead of actually going at one another, which was kind of fascinating, frankly.

00:34:51.000 So Bernie Sanders was asked about the fact that soft border policies create an incentive for people to cross and get benefits, especially since both Warren, I believe, and certainly Sanders have talked about giving free medical care for illegal immigrants.

00:35:05.000 Sanders says, oh, no, no, no, we're going to be tough on the border, which is kind of interesting.

00:35:09.000 Senator Sanders, you want to provide undocumented immigrants free health care and free college.

00:35:15.000 Why won't this drive even more people to come to the U.S.

00:35:18.000 illegally?

00:35:19.000 This will have a strong border protections.

00:35:21.000 But the main point I want to make is that what Trump is doing through his racism and his xenophobia is demonizing a group of people.

00:35:32.000 And as president, I will end that demonization.

00:35:34.000 Okay, so that is him avoiding the question.

00:35:36.000 He says, we'll have strong border protections, and then he just sort of ignores it.

00:35:39.000 Kind of, kind of interesting.

00:35:41.000 Steve Bullock of Montana then jumps in.

00:35:42.000 He says, guys, you guys have no idea what you're talking about.

00:35:45.000 Like, you don't, you do not know what the hell you are talking about.

00:35:47.000 And of course, he's exactly correct.

00:35:49.000 Look, I think this is a part of the discussion that shows how often these debates are detached from people's lives.

00:35:56.000 We've got 100,000 people showing up at the border right now.

00:35:59.000 If we decriminalize entry, if we get healthcare to everyone, we'll have multiples of that.

00:36:05.000 Don't take my word, that was President Obama's Homeland Security Secretary that said that.

00:36:11.000 Of course, that's exactly right.

00:36:13.000 But that's not where the heart and soul of the Democratic Party is right now.

00:36:16.000 The heart and soul are with Marianne Williamson, but the political corollary of that is that it's really with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

00:36:25.000 And that leads to this weird situation where everybody on stage last night who was proposing anything that was reasonable was basically booed off the stage and treated as an apostate.

00:36:34.000 It was incredible.

00:36:35.000 So take an example.

00:36:36.000 The Green New Deal. 0.60

00:36:37.000 So John Delaney makes a proposal on global warming and climate change that is actually fairly bipartisan.

00:36:44.000 There are some Republicans who support this.

00:36:45.000 I'm still considering whether it's worthwhile or not, whether it would be effective or not.

00:36:49.000 But John Delaney says, listen, here's what we should do.

00:36:51.000 We should put a price on carbon and then we should have what's called the carbon dividend.

00:36:55.000 There are a few Republicans who are on board with this.

00:36:56.000 As I say, I'm not on board with this yet.

00:36:58.000 The carbon dividend is basically the idea that you're going to tax carbon and then you're going to redistribute the money from the use of carbon to other projects inside the United States.

00:37:08.000 The reason I'm not on board with it is because I am not sure that China and India are going to sign off on anything similarly and then you have a serious collective action problem in which we are harming our economy specifically so that we cannot actually lower global warming if that's something we're worried about.

00:37:21.000 In any case, here is John Delaney making a pitch that is actually somewhat reasonable and then we will hear Elizabeth Worm's completely unreasonable pitch.

00:37:27.000 My plan, which gets us to net zero by 2050, which we absolutely have to do for our kids and our grandkids, will get us there.

00:37:35.000 I put a price on carbon, take all the money, give it back to the American people in a dividend.

00:37:40.000 That was introduced by me on a bipartisan basis.

00:37:43.000 It's the only significant bipartisan climate bill in the Congress.

00:37:47.000 Okay, so that is, again, John Delaney being somewhat reasonable.

00:37:51.000 Then we get to Elizabeth Warren, and she says, I'm just gonna dump money on it.

00:37:54.000 I'm just gonna take a dump truck full of money and pour it on global warming.

00:37:57.000 So I propose putting $2 trillion in so we do the research.

00:38:02.000 We then say anyone in the world can use it so long as you build it right here in America.

00:38:08.000 That will produce about 1.2 million manufacturing jobs right here in Michigan, right here in Ohio, right here in the industry in the U.S.

00:38:16.000 Absolute sheer nonsense.

00:38:17.000 Barack Obama tried this with his Green Jobs Initiative under Van Jones.

00:38:20.000 It was a complete fail.

00:38:21.000 She's saying we're just going to dump money on this problem and it's going to solve itself.

00:38:25.000 But, again, it's all about the yelling and the screaming and the enthusiasm.

00:38:28.000 It is not actually... Basically, the Democratic Party is now making a choice.

00:38:33.000 Whether they want to be the party of jazz or whether they want to be the party of rock.

00:38:36.000 So, original jazz actually took skill.

00:38:39.000 It actually took skill.

00:38:40.000 It was all about the ability to know different harmonies and to work with sophisticated harmonies.

00:38:45.000 And to improvise.

00:38:47.000 That was original jazz.

00:38:48.000 Then you got to rock.

00:38:49.000 And rock is not about skill.

00:38:50.000 Rock is about enthusiasm.

00:38:52.000 It's about the level of enthusiasm that you have.

00:38:54.000 Well, the Democratic Party is choosing between skill, policies that work, policies that at least should be considered, and just rank enthusiasm.

00:39:02.000 And you can see that rank enthusiasm is winning.

00:39:04.000 That's why Bernie Sanders is still pulling up around 20% right now, although this did lead to the funniest exchange of the evening, in which Tim Ryan got irritated at the old man screaming at the clouds and also at him.

00:39:16.000 Here is the bottom line.

00:39:17.000 We've got to ask ourselves a simple question.

00:39:20.000 What do you do with an industry that knowingly, for billions of dollars in short-term profits, is destroying this planet?

00:39:30.000 I say that is criminal activity that cannot be allowed to continue.

00:39:34.000 Thank you, Senator Sanders.

00:39:35.000 Congressman, your response.

00:39:36.000 I would just say, I didn't say we couldn't get there till 2040, Bernie.

00:39:39.000 You don't have to yell.

00:39:41.000 I mean, all I'm saying is, And everybody laughs because they know it's true.

00:39:46.000 Old man screaming in clouds, winning elections.

00:39:49.000 Then finally, the Democrats, it's amazing.

00:39:52.000 They did this entire debate in Detroit.

00:39:53.000 They waited until the end to get to questions of race.

00:39:55.000 And then it just turned into a pander fest about slavery, reparations, and the legacy of racism in the United States.

00:39:59.000 Listen, we can talk about the legacy of racism in the United States.

00:40:02.000 If we want to do a data-driven drive into what level of current endemic poverty is based on historic racism in Jim Crow, and what level is based on individual actions that keep people in intergenerational poverty, single motherhood, lack of education, criminal activity, and all the rest.

00:40:19.000 And you can say that those things are outgrowths of past systems of discrimination.

00:40:24.000 I'm sure that's true.

00:40:25.000 But the question when it comes to your individual behavior is, what is your individual behavior going to be today?

00:40:30.000 Not, did the legacy of Jim Crow contribute to your individual behavior?

00:40:34.000 The question is, are forces beyond your control the ones that are controlling your life?

00:40:38.000 Or is it stuff that is in your control that is controlling your life?

00:40:40.000 We can have all those sorts of conversations.

00:40:42.000 Democrats don't want to have any of them.

00:40:43.000 And so instead, they just pander.

00:40:45.000 It just turns into slavery reparations this and slavery reparations that.

00:40:48.000 Pete Buttigieg tried to pander and failed.

00:40:51.000 And then, And so did Elizabeth Warren.

00:40:54.000 And then Marianne Williamson stepped in. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Again, it was her night.

00:40:56.000 She's the one who had the best night.

00:40:57.000 So, Pete Buttigieg said, he had this very awkward line where he said that the racial divide lives within me.

00:41:03.000 I'm like, what the hell does that mean?

00:41:05.000 What?

00:41:05.000 What does that even?

00:41:07.000 Like, you're white, dude. 0.96

00:41:08.000 What?

00:41:10.000 As an urban mayor serving a diverse community, the racial divide lives within me.

00:41:17.000 I don't know what the hell that means.

00:41:19.000 Then Elizabeth Warren jumps in, and she, of course, is going to go as radical as she can because she's going to out-enthusiasm everybody. 1.00

00:41:27.000 We need to call out white supremacy for what it is, domestic terrorism.

00:41:32.000 And it poses a threat to the United States of America. 0.58

00:41:36.000 We live in a country now where the president is advancing environmental racism, economic racism, criminal justice racism, health care racism.

00:41:46.000 The way we do better is to fight back and show something better.

00:41:51.000 So, I have a plan, for example, on education.

00:41:54.000 Okay, what in the... Okay, so it's environmental racism, this kind of racism, and that kind of... Okay, then Marianne Williamson steps in.

00:42:02.000 And Marianne Williamson actually makes a pitch that, again, is spiritual in nature, and thus, when it comes to issues of race, is actually more attractive.

00:42:09.000 Here's Marianne Williamson putting the slavery reparations question in a way that actually sounds more reasonable than the way Democrats are talking about it.

00:42:17.000 I assure you, I lived in Grosse Pointe.

00:42:19.000 What happened in Flint would not have happened in Grosse Pointe.

00:42:22.000 This is part of the dark underbelly of American society.

00:42:26.000 The racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that we're having here tonight.

00:42:30.000 If you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then I'm afraid that the Democrats are going to see some very dark days.

00:42:42.000 We need to say it like it is.

00:42:44.000 It's bigger than Flint.

00:42:45.000 Okay, so again, she's wrong.

00:42:47.000 Flint is governed by minorities. 0.69

00:42:49.000 I mean, the mayor of Flint was black at the time.

00:42:53.000 The folks who were involved in the Flint water crisis were of minority descent.

00:42:58.000 It wasn't white people cramming down a situation on Flint.

00:43:01.000 By the way, they're all Democrat.

00:43:02.000 But what she's actually saying there is more speaking to the heart and soul of the Democratic Party than anything that Elizabeth Warren just said.

00:43:09.000 Elizabeth Warren is substituting policy for spirit. 0.95

00:43:12.000 And Marianne Williamson is substituting spirit for policy. 0.63

00:43:15.000 And if Democrats have to choose, I have a feeling that Marianne Williamson, whoever channels that spirit best, is going to do some damage in these Democratic primaries. 0.93

00:43:22.000 Now, listen, it's real weird, right?

00:43:24.000 I mean, she's talking about the dark psychic force of collectivized hatred.

00:43:27.000 We must form a fellowship.

00:43:28.000 We shall call it the Fellowship of the Ring.

00:43:31.000 We shall go and fight the dark psychic force of collectivized hatred.

00:43:35.000 I told you we'll toss the ring into the flames, the fiery furnace from whence it came.

00:43:40.000 Marianne Williamson.

00:43:42.000 But, again, got a big cheer.

00:43:44.000 I mean, did you hear that?

00:43:46.000 Big cheer.

00:43:46.000 And then here she was more unraced and a better pitch than Elizabeth Warren.

00:43:52.000 We need some deep truth-telling when it comes.

00:43:54.000 We don't need another commission to look at evidence.

00:43:57.000 I appreciate what Congressman O'Rourke has said.

00:44:00.000 It is time for us to simply realize that this country will not heal.

00:44:04.000 All that a country is is a collection of people.

00:44:06.000 People heal when there's some deep truth-telling.

00:44:09.000 We need to recognize that when it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites in America, it does come from a great injustice that has never been dealt with.

00:44:18.000 That great injustice has had to be Okay, again, she's talking in a way and at a level that other Democrats are not.

00:44:24.000 This is not just me saying that Marianne Williamson is the best and I think that she should be the dictatress of the universe or anything.

00:44:31.000 Really what I'm saying about Marianne Williamson.

00:44:34.000 Obviously, is that she is doing something that I think that the rest of the Democratic Party is missing. 1.00

00:44:38.000 And what the rest of the Democratic Party is missing is that their appeal right now is a spiritual appeal.

00:44:43.000 It is not a policy appeal.

00:44:44.000 The policy appeal failed on its own merits last night.

00:44:47.000 The spiritual appeal of Williamson did not fail.

00:44:49.000 Not among Democrats and not among moderates.

00:44:52.000 She is the Trump of the Democratic Party, except she's not as famous.

00:44:55.000 If she were more famous, she would be leading this race right now among Democrats. 1.00

00:44:58.000 It's pretty obvious that that is the case, by the way.

00:45:02.000 I mean, listen to the way that Williamson closed the debate last night.

00:45:04.000 Nobody else had anything remotely memorable.

00:45:06.000 The only memorable stuff that was said last night was all said by Marianne Williamson.

00:45:10.000 Here's Marianne Williamson's closing. 0.71

00:45:12.000 Yes, our problem is not just that we need to defeat Donald Trump.

00:45:16.000 We need a plan to solve institutionalized hatred, collectivized hatred, and white nationalism.

00:45:21.000 I want a politics that goes much deeper.

00:45:24.000 I want a politics that speaks to the heart, because the Only way to fight.

00:45:28.000 You keep talking about how we're going to fight Donald Trump.

00:45:30.000 You can't fight dog whistles.

00:45:31.000 You have to override them.

00:45:33.000 And the only way you can override them is with new voices.

00:45:35.000 Voices of energy that only come from the fact that America has been willing to live up to our own mistakes, atone for our own mistakes, make amends for our own mistakes, love each other, love our democracy, love future generations.

00:45:49.000 Something emotional and psychological that will not Be, be, be emerging from anything on this stage.

00:45:56.000 It will emerge from something I'm the one who's qualified to bring forth.

00:46:00.000 Congressman Delaney?

00:46:01.000 Again, that, that, that's, that's her pitch.

00:46:04.000 And her pitch is stronger than the pitch of other Democrats.

00:46:06.000 Also, I will point, and you know how you can tell this?

00:46:09.000 Look at this exchange between Elizabeth Warren and Chris Matthews.

00:46:11.000 I mean, I must say.

00:46:12.000 So Chris Matthews, he gets all up in her grill.

00:46:14.000 He's asking her very simple questions about her policy.

00:46:17.000 Elizabeth Warren doesn't have an answer.

00:46:18.000 I roll on in here, hair all mussed.

00:46:21.000 Looks like I just had seven drinks at the bar outside.

00:46:23.000 Asking a very simple question, Elizabeth Warren.

00:46:25.000 Aren't you just going to raise taxes on people?

00:46:27.000 You won't even answer the question, Elizabeth Warren.

00:46:29.000 Don't you have anything?

00:46:30.000 What are you going to say to that, Elizabeth Warren?

00:46:32.000 Go! 0.95

00:46:33.000 But will you pay more in taxes?

00:46:35.000 Why don't you want to answer that question?

00:46:37.000 Because as Jake said tonight, that's a Republican talking point.

00:46:40.000 It's not a Republican talking point.

00:46:42.000 It's a question.

00:46:43.000 So the question is not, do you have health insurance or not have health insurance?

00:46:47.000 The question is, how much are you going to have to dig in your pocket to pay?

00:46:51.000 I know that's the answer that you'd like to give, but where your taxes go are.

00:46:54.000 No, it is the answer.

00:46:55.000 The question is your total cost.

00:46:57.000 Okay, but there's no answer to the question where your taxes go.

00:46:59.000 There is an answer to the question about your costs.

00:47:01.000 How about taxes?

00:47:02.000 Because it's costs that matter to people.

00:47:04.000 Okay, that is exactly right what Chris Matthews is saying.

00:47:08.000 And she's got nothing.

00:47:09.000 And Chris Matthews takes her apart in 20 seconds flat right there.

00:47:12.000 Do you have a pet?

00:47:13.000 Do I have a pet?

00:47:13.000 Williamson, who will not she will not be owned by a child.

00:47:17.000 She will own that child.

00:47:18.000 Here's Marianne Williamson being asked by a child about if she has a pet.

00:47:22.000 Come on.

00:47:23.000 This is great stuff.

00:47:24.000 This is fantastic.

00:47:24.000 Do you have a pet?

00:47:26.000 Do I have a pet?

00:47:28.000 I had a cat and the cat died.

00:47:30.000 She said the cat's dead, guys.

00:47:34.000 Sorry.

00:47:35.000 She did have a cat and the cat died.

00:47:36.000 Again, I'm not saying Marianne Williamson wins the nomination.

00:47:43.000 I'm saying that if Democrats keep playing this game where they think that radicalism for radicalism's own sake is going to be the victorious notion, they're actually missing the appeal of their own appeal, which is a religious appeal in nature.

00:47:54.000 Williamson understands this.

00:47:55.000 Barack Obama understood this in 2008.

00:47:57.000 I'm not sure there's any Democrat who really understands this, and that's why I think that they're having a real rough time with Trump, who makes a spiritual appeal to Americans.

00:48:03.000 You may not like his spiritual appeal.

00:48:05.000 I don't like parts of his spiritual appeal. 1.00

00:48:06.000 I think that spiritual appeals in politics, as I said before, are stupid and wrong, generally. 0.98

00:48:11.000 But, I also think that Williamson is doing something no other Democrat is doing, and if they can't capture what she's doing, they're gonna lose. 0.97

00:48:18.000 Okay, one final note.

00:48:20.000 Don Lemon is terrible.

00:48:21.000 Let me just point out that Don Lemon at CNN, who helped moderate this debate, is awful at his job. 0.99

00:48:25.000 The fact that he is considered an objective journalist is ridiculous. 0.78

00:48:28.000 Here's a question that he asked last night. 0.97

00:48:30.000 It's just insane.

00:48:32.000 Senator Klobuchar, what do you say to those Trump voters who prioritize the economy over the president's bigotry?

00:48:40.000 Oh yes, by the way, Klobuchar gave the right answer.

00:48:43.000 She said, first of all, Trump voters don't do that.

00:48:46.000 Trump voters aren't just saying, bigotry is fine, so long as I like the economics.

00:48:51.000 She said, I'm not going to call Trump voters racist, but Don Lemon is fine calling Trump voters racist.

00:48:56.000 They don't care if the president is a vicious bigot so long as they get their tax cut.

00:49:00.000 What journalisming from Don Lemon.

00:49:02.000 What a great objective journalist he is.

00:49:05.000 CNN, the most trusted name in news.

00:49:07.000 What a joke.

00:49:08.000 Alrighty.

00:49:09.000 Normally, I would do some things I like and things I hate today.

00:49:12.000 But frankly, I'm all tuckered out from that debate recap.

00:49:16.000 We'll have two more hours of content for you later today.

00:49:19.000 We'll go through some of the clips that we weren't able to get to.

00:49:21.000 We'll also preview tonight's big debate and Mario Lopez in trouble for saying absolutely reasonable things about transgender.

00:49:27.000 We'll get into all that a little bit later.

00:49:29.000 We'll do that.

00:49:30.000 Or we'll see you here tomorrow.

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00:50:03.000 Hey everyone, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:50:06.000 Man, it's good to be a Democrat, isn't it?

00:50:08.000 You go to debate and who shows up to ask you the tough questions?

00:50:11.000 Other Democrats, namely the media.

00:50:13.000 Now to their credit, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash did introduce what the Democrat candidates called conservative talking points and what the rest of us call reality.

00:50:21.000 But there was a much bigger talking point that went unspoken all through the debate.

00:50:26.000 There was one essential word missing.

00:50:28.000 We'll talk about it on The Andrew Klavan Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - July 31, 2019

Fight Night 2, Round 1: It’s On! | Ep. 829

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