The Ben Shapiro Show - Free Everything! | Ep. 808

00:00:00.000 Biden remains atop the polls, Bernie proposes free college, and Buttigieg steps into dicey racial territory.

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00:01:24.000 OK, so the Democratic debates approacheth.

00:01:27.000 The first one is tomorrow night on CNN.

00:01:30.000 Ooh, and it's going to feature Elizabeth Warren and a cast of no names. 0.98

00:01:35.000 That's the first debate.

00:01:36.000 The first debate is Elizabeth Warren, who is steadily rising in the polls, taking away Bernie Sanders's support, maybe rivaling Joe Biden at the top of the Democratic field.

00:01:46.000 And no one else is on that stage.

00:01:47.000 Like Cory Booker, I believe, is on that stage.

00:01:49.000 And no one cares.

00:01:50.000 No one has any interest in Cory Booker.

00:01:52.000 No one has any interest in any of the other candidates.

00:01:54.000 It's like Marianne Williamson and Eric Swalwell and the cast of Thousands.

00:01:58.000 The big debate is the following night.

00:02:00.000 The big debate is Thursday night.

00:02:01.000 That's the one where you get Biden and Buttigieg and Bernie.

00:02:04.000 And it's all party central over there.

00:02:06.000 But tomorrow night is the sort of more boring debate where Elizabeth Warren does get her showcase. 0.98

00:02:11.000 At the same time, she's sort of getting left out.

00:02:13.000 She's sort of getting left, particularly if the second debate elevates into a Biden versus Bernie fight, which is what everybody sort of foresees at this point and what Bernie needs to happen.

00:02:22.000 Right now, if Bernie wants to elevate himself above Warren, he needs to regain control of the narrative.

00:02:27.000 He needs to wrest that control away from Elizabeth Warren, who's receiving these odes, these pans from the media. 0.99

00:02:34.000 These huge profiles.

00:02:35.000 She has ideas.

00:02:36.000 She has plans.

00:02:38.000 Ooh, so many ideas and plans.

00:02:40.000 Weird, because Bernie had those plans first, and they were more extreme.

00:02:44.000 As we'll see, Bernie has responded to this by posing even more extreme plans.

00:02:48.000 The beauty of being in the Democratic Party is if you're ever short of an idea, just promise to make more things free.

00:02:53.000 It's really simple that way.

00:02:54.000 But here is the current state of the Democratic primary, according to a morning consult poll.

00:02:59.000 And this is actually a little bit surprising.

00:03:00.000 So according to this morning consult poll, Joe Biden remains the heavy front runner at 38 percent in the primaries.

00:03:07.000 Now, that of course means that he has not really felt the impact of the whole he was hanging out with segregationists and he's racially insensitive and all of this.

00:03:17.000 There's not a lot of evidence that's damaged him at all.

00:03:19.000 In fact, these same poll numbers show that something like 30% of black folks who supported Joe Biden say they still support Joe Biden.

00:03:26.000 27% said they don't care.

00:03:28.000 And only 20% said they were less likely to support Joe Biden.

00:03:31.000 That's not a significant amount of movement.

00:03:33.000 So Joe Biden is up at 38%, which is precisely where he was a couple of weeks ago in the morning consult poll, which shows that his candidacy is durable.

00:03:41.000 Now, is it durable enough to withstand a singular challenger?

00:03:44.000 Right now, he can hold off a field of 1,000.

00:03:47.000 But can he hold off a field of one?

00:03:49.000 This was the question for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.

00:03:52.000 This will also be the question for Joe Biden against, presumably, Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders, or if Kamala Harris starts to gain momentum, Kamala Harris.

00:03:59.000 As we'll see, I think Pete Buttigieg is in serious trouble this early on.

00:04:03.000 So Bernie Sanders is in second place right now with 19%.

00:04:07.000 This is also kind of surprising from the morning consult poll.

00:04:10.000 A lot of the recent polls have showed That Elizabeth Warren was climbing over Bernie Sanders for that second place spot, that she was gaining momentum, that Bernie was losing momentum.

00:04:19.000 Well, Elizabeth Warren is gaining momentum, according to the morning consul poll.

00:04:22.000 She's up a couple of points to 13%, but she's still trailing Bernie Sanders by six in this morning consul poll, and they're both far behind Joe Biden.

00:04:29.000 Now, as I say, if you aggregate together, All of the far-left progressive votes, this is a much closer race, right?

00:04:36.000 If Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg and Kamala Harris were all one candidate, that candidate would be receiving 45% of the vote to Joe Biden's 38% of the vote.

00:04:46.000 Joe Biden may have a 38% ceiling.

00:04:48.000 So that means that if the field winnows quickly, then Joe Biden could be in trouble.

00:04:51.000 If, however, the field remains disparate, then Joe Biden just runs right up the center the way that Donald Trump did in 2016.

00:04:57.000 And takes the nomination.

00:04:58.000 Elizabeth Warren is at 13.

00:05:00.000 And then you get to the also-rans. 1.00

00:05:01.000 Pete Buttigieg is stuck at 7%.

00:05:03.000 Kamala Harris is stuck at 6%.

00:05:04.000 She really has experienced significant failure to launch.

00:05:07.000 Beto O'Rourke, all the way down at 4%.

00:05:09.000 The former darling of the Democratic Party when he was running against Ted Cruz.

00:05:13.000 That dude is stuck all the way down at 4%.

00:05:15.000 Going nowhere fast.

00:05:16.000 Cory Booker.

00:05:18.000 At a minuscule 3%.

00:05:19.000 Andrew Yang, my boy, Andrew Yang, at 2%.

00:05:22.000 So I'm kind of happy about that because Andrew Yang, I actually think, is at least a nice person who doesn't despise everybody who disagrees with him.

00:05:29.000 So that's kind of nice.

00:05:30.000 So Andrew Yang at 2% and Michael Bennett, for some reason, at 1%.

00:05:34.000 Kirsten Gillibrand, not even charting.

00:05:36.000 As always, the best part of this entire story.

00:05:39.000 Okay, so Elizabeth Warren, however, is gaining momentum in one of the more radical polls. 1.00

00:05:44.000 So there's a survey from MoveOn.org.

00:05:46.000 Last time around, Bernie Sanders won going away among the MoveOn.org crowd.

00:05:50.000 He was up at like 80% among the MoveOn.org crowd.

00:05:52.000 Now, that's also because he was pretty much the only one running against Hillary Clinton.

00:05:56.000 It wasn't like there was a huge field to choose from.

00:05:58.000 Was the MoveOn.org crowd going to move over to Martin O'Malley or something?

00:06:02.000 It was Bernie Sanders or bust.

00:06:04.000 Now, Elizabeth Warren has seized control of the MoveOn.org crowd, and this is why folks think that there's going to be a significant fade here from Bernie Sanders.

00:06:13.000 According to NBC News, Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders top a new straw poll from the progressive group MoveOn.org, illuminating how the packed field of candidates is coming into focus for more left-leaning Democratic voters just before the first debate of the 2020 cycle.

00:06:28.000 The poll, which was released on Tuesday and first reported by NBC News, shows Warren is the top choice of 38 percent of MoveOn's members nationwide, the top choice of voters surveyed in the early voting states of California, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

00:06:42.000 So she's all the way up at 38.

00:06:43.000 Bernie Sanders is all the way down at 17%, trailing Elizabeth Warren by 20 points.

00:06:48.000 That is a significant drop off for Bernie Sanders.

00:06:50.000 What happened to all the Bernie bros?

00:06:52.000 Where's all the enthusiasm?

00:06:53.000 Well, it seems that the media coverage really does have an outsized impact On the MoveOn.org crowd.

00:07:00.000 And that's not surprising.

00:07:01.000 There's actually a study that came out earlier this week that was pretty fascinating.

00:07:03.000 What it showed is that college-educated liberals were far more politically polarized and woke than the Democratic base.

00:07:10.000 So the Democratic base is much more moderate.

00:07:11.000 The Democratic base doesn't have perverse perceptions of Republicans quite as much.

00:07:16.000 They tend to think that Republicans, by and large, are their neighbors and decent people.

00:07:20.000 The politically progressive woke base, which is largely people who are college-educated liberals who go to campus and then ensconce themselves in their cozy echo chamber.

00:07:30.000 Those people are the ones who are being pulled by moveon.org, and those are the people who have been rallying around Elizabeth Warren as the candidate of progressive ideas.

00:07:39.000 So Sanders is all the way down at 17%.

00:07:40.000 VP Biden at 15%.

00:07:40.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:07:42.000 And Buttigieg at 12%.

00:07:47.000 So Joe Biden nearly matching Bernie Sanders' numbers among the MoveOn.org crowd is very, very bad news for Bernie Sanders.

00:07:55.000 According to NBC News that Sanders, the Vermont Independent, would do well in the progressive group's poll is no surprise.

00:08:00.000 MoveOn backed him officially over Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic primary.

00:08:04.000 A majority of MoveOn members at the time said they preferred him to the former Secretary of State.

00:08:09.000 But that progressives are gravitating toward like-minded policy wonk Warren could be another sign of trouble for Sanders.

00:08:15.000 Well, part of it is that NBC News keeps calling Warren a policy wonk.

00:08:19.000 Her policies are not wonkish.

00:08:20.000 They are very, very bad ideas.

00:08:23.000 Now, overall, most Democrats are still not all that enthused about Elizabeth Warren.

00:08:28.000 The polling numbers show why Biden is maintaining at the top of the polls.

00:08:32.000 First of all, he does have the benefit of low expectations.

00:08:35.000 Everybody expects that Joe Biden is going to gaffe nearly all the time.

00:08:38.000 And so when he does gaffe, everybody goes, oh, well, that's old Joe.

00:08:41.000 Over time, is that going to do damage to him?

00:08:43.000 I think it will.

00:08:44.000 Over time, I don't know that Joe Biden can maintain.

00:08:46.000 I've been saying all along, That I think that Joe Biden's first day would be his best day.

00:08:50.000 Now, again, I could be wrong.

00:08:52.000 Maybe he maintains at 38.

00:08:53.000 Maybe he just sweeps into the nomination.

00:08:55.000 Nate Silver suggested, the statistician and pollster, he suggested that Joe Biden's chances of winning the nomination were under 50%.

00:09:02.000 Now, that's as compared to the field, meaning that anyone else in the field is going to be lower than Joe Biden.

00:09:08.000 But the field overall has a better than 50% chance of defeating Joe Biden.

00:09:12.000 I think that's about right.

00:09:14.000 That he has a plurality chance of being the nominee, but he certainly does not have the majority chance of being the nominee.

00:09:20.000 A new poll from the AP and NORC Center for Public Affairs, however, finds that Democrats are not nearly as interested in the intersectional credentials of many of the candidates as the media are.

00:09:29.000 The media are firmly convinced that they need an intersectional, a woman, somebody who's gay like Buttigieg, somebody who's black like Kamala Harris or Cory Booker.

00:09:38.000 You need somebody Who is going to awaken the intersectional coalition to fight, fight, fight against the majority and all of this.

00:09:45.000 But most Democrats aren't super interested in that, according to the AP, which is why Biden continues to maintain and why Biden should not be backing down or cowering at charges that he is quote unquote racist over old comments that were not in fact racist.

00:09:59.000 The AP and NORC Center, they find that Democrats give a collective shrug to gender, race, and age as factors they are considering when supporting a candidate.

00:10:07.000 Instead, Democratic registered voters are yearning for experience in elected office.

00:10:11.000 A whopping 73% cited that as a quality that would make them more excited about supporting a presidential candidate.

00:10:16.000 That's because they are using experience in office as a measure of electability, meaning you've been elected a bunch of times before.

00:10:22.000 This means you are electable, and therefore you have a better chance of defeating Donald Trump.

00:10:25.000 The top priority for Democrats is defeating Donald Trump now.

00:10:28.000 As we've seen in the past, there is a live debate over whether that's actually a good strategy for an election.

00:10:34.000 Whether it is actually smart to go for the guy who is considered most electable.

00:10:37.000 In 2012, Republicans went for the supposedly most electable candidate in Mitt Romney and he proceeded to lose to Barack Obama.

00:10:44.000 In 2016, Hillary Clinton was widely perceived early on as the most electable Democrat and then she proceeded to lose to Donald Trump. 0.87

00:10:51.000 One of the problems with people who are perceived as electable is very often they don't generate the kind of heat necessary to inspire people to go out to vote.

00:10:58.000 That may be true with Joe Biden.

00:11:00.000 He could be falling into a Hillary Clinton sort of trap here, where people get comfortable, people think he's going to win, nobody's super enthused, but at least he's not Trump.

00:11:09.000 That didn't work for Hillary Clinton, and you could see something similar happen for Joe Biden as well. 1.00

00:11:14.000 Twenty-five candidates, of course, are running for the party's nomination and include a very, very diverse field.

00:11:19.000 But four in 10 Democratic voters said only that they would be excited about voting for a woman for president, as opposed to 73 percent who said that they were looking for experience in elected office.

00:11:30.000 So here are candidate qualities that ignite excitement in Democrats.

00:11:33.000 73% has experience in elected office.

00:11:35.000 Then it drops all the way down to 40, is a woman. 1.00

00:11:37.000 38, has served in the military.

00:11:39.000 36% is younger.

00:11:41.000 26% has experience running a business.

00:11:43.000 26% black, 25% Latino, 20% LGBT, 20% shares your religious beliefs.

00:11:49.000 By the way, that shows you something about the Democratic base at this point, that the same number of Democrats are interested in a candidate who shares their religious beliefs as are interested in a candidate who is lesbian, gay, or bisexual, or is transgender, 17%.

00:12:02.000 17% say would be interested in a candidate.

00:12:04.000 That'd be a priority, if the candidate were transgender. 0.97

00:12:07.000 Yeah, we'll see how all of this plays in middle America.

00:12:10.000 But that's why they're favoring Biden at this point.

00:12:13.000 Now, could Biden start to become the target?

00:12:15.000 Absolutely.

00:12:16.000 And we'll get to one article targeting Joe Biden in just a second.

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00:13:35.000 As I say, Joe Biden is now the target.

00:13:38.000 It's pretty obvious that he is the target.

00:13:39.000 I mean, he's the frontrunner.

00:13:40.000 And Matt Visor over at the Washington Post is going after Joe Biden for being richy rich.

00:13:45.000 The headline, once the poorest senator, middle class Joe has reaped millions in income since leaving the vice presidency.

00:13:51.000 Now, here's the truth.

00:13:53.000 I don't care if politicians make a lot of money after they leave office.

00:13:55.000 I don't really see the problem with that, to be frank with you.

00:13:58.000 He was the Vice President of the United States.

00:14:00.000 It seems to me that him making a lot of money on speeches, he should go for it.

00:14:04.000 I mean, if that's what the market will bear, enjoy yourself, man.

00:14:07.000 But the media aren't going to like this very much.

00:14:09.000 They're going to go with the, he has to be a populist.

00:14:11.000 Now, what's funny about this is that Elizabeth Warren is a very wealthy woman. 0.94

00:14:14.000 Bernie Sanders is not impoverished.

00:14:17.000 None of the top candidates, with maybe the exception of Pete Buttigieg, who I don't think is worth very much money, are worth a lot of money.

00:14:23.000 I mean, are worth no money.

00:14:25.000 They're all worth a lot of money.

00:14:26.000 But Joe Biden is going to be excoriated for this, as we'll see.

00:14:29.000 So this article suggests The Georgian-style home, once from the front of a brick version of the White House, once belonged to Alexander Haig, the former Secretary of State.

00:14:38.000 Nestled on a wooded lot in McLean, the nearly 12,000 square foot residence contains five bedrooms and ten bathrooms, marble fireplaces, a gym, and a sauna.

00:14:47.000 Surrounded by Washington elite and sitting high above the Potomac River, there is undeniable grandeur in the design of this home, said the British-accented agent in a video released when it went on the market in 2015.

00:14:56.000 This property makes an imposing statement with parking for over 20 cars and creates a perfect setting for the most lavish of events.

00:15:02.000 I do love that they added that the person who made the real estate video is British-accented.

00:15:07.000 That means that they're evil.

00:15:08.000 As we know from all the movies, every movie villain ever is actually British. 0.78

00:15:13.000 This may have been the residence to a very important person, he continued, but I suspect it will be the home to many more.

00:15:17.000 It's currently home to Joe Biden.

00:15:19.000 The house was purchased for $4.25 million, so that's an expensive home.

00:15:24.000 In June 2016 by Mark Ein, a wealthy venture capitalist who lives next door to Joe Biden, Joe Biden and his wife Jill have been renting this house.

00:15:33.000 Now, this is a very cozy arrangement that we saw with Barack Obama, for example, political backers buying a piece of property and then cutting sweetheart deals with politicians they support so the politicians can live there.

00:15:43.000 Biden points out on the campaign trail he was often the poorest member of the U.S.

00:15:47.000 Senate and for at least a decade has referred to himself as middle-class Joe.

00:15:50.000 I've always found this also a bizarre sort of brag.

00:15:54.000 I'm confused as to why you not earning a lot of money is a brag.

00:15:58.000 Like, you being a poor senator, why is that better than you having earned a lot of money in the private sector by being a productive citizen and then going into public service?

00:16:05.000 Like, the idea that you are very wealthy and that you make a lot of money before you join the government, as opposed to, you know, living off the government teat for 40 years, I'm not sure why that's a worse pitch than, I'm middle class, too poor, because I've been working for the government my entire life.

00:16:21.000 Since leaving office, however, Joe Biden has violated his own rules.

00:16:24.000 He has enjoyed an explosion of wealth, making millions of dollars largely from book deals and speaking fees that range to as much as $200,000 per speech, public documents show.

00:16:33.000 As Biden traveled the country before announcing his presidential campaign this spring, his sponsors provided VIP hotel suites, town cars and professional drivers, chartered flights and travel expense reimbursements that for some of his appearances reached at least $10,000 per event, according to contracts obtained by The Post through public records requests.

00:16:49.000 So what?

00:16:50.000 So what?

00:16:51.000 I mean, it is amazing to me that I have to become a Joe Biden defender under these circumstances.

00:16:56.000 So far, I've defended Joe Biden from the scurrilous accusation that he's a vicious racist, and now from the scurrilous accusation that, ooh, he spoke for people who are willing to pay him money.

00:17:05.000 Ooh, it's very bad.

00:17:07.000 But listen, he's a progressive, so he deserves whatever he gets from his progressive base.

00:17:11.000 And this is a guy who's railed against people who are wealthy, suggesting that they should pay more taxes to be patriotic.

00:17:18.000 We can see how much Joe Biden paid in taxes over the past few years.

00:17:21.000 Maybe he should pay more in taxes.

00:17:22.000 The Washington Post found at least 65 instances in which Biden gave a speech or appeared at a book event.

00:17:27.000 In at least 10 of those instances, he did not take a fee, though he was reimbursed for travel expenses.

00:17:32.000 Biden's campaign said he has given less than 50 paid speeches, but declines to be more specific about exactly how many he delivered or how much he earned in total.

00:17:40.000 Biden's campaign declined to comment on the record for this story.

00:17:43.000 They have taken care to avoid the backlash that haunted Hillary during the 2016 Democratic primary because she gave private speeches to Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street interests.

00:17:52.000 He only limited his appearances to less politically sensitive venues public documents show.

00:17:58.000 Biden has been renting the McLean home.

00:17:59.000 He purchased another $2.7 million, 4,800 square foot vacation house near the water in Delaware to go along with his primary residence, the nearly 7,000 square foot lakeside home he built more than two decades ago in Wilmington, Delaware.

00:18:12.000 So this is his third home.

00:18:13.000 So he's living it up, man.

00:18:14.000 Joe Biden really enjoying himself in his post-vice presidency time.

00:18:19.000 Now, Again, I don't really think that this matters very much, but for Democrats who hate wealth and think that being wealthy means that you're now evil, I guess that this is a bad thing.

00:18:29.000 So Joe Biden is going to feel the impact of all of this.

00:18:34.000 A review of his previous tax returns show that Biden's adjusted gross income at $215,000 in 1998, the first year he has made available, remained in that neighborhood until 2009.

00:18:44.000 By Biden's final years in office, the couple's gross income totaled about $390,000 annually, and they donated nearly nothing to charity.

00:18:51.000 For the 10 years preceding 2008, they donated an average of $369 annually to charity.

00:18:56.000 This is one of the beautiful things about being a Democrat.

00:18:58.000 It means never having to give charity.

00:19:00.000 It really is delightful to be a Democrat calling for everybody else to be patriotic and give more money to the government.

00:19:05.000 Also, here is the change I found in my couch cushions, and I'm going to give this to a charity.

00:19:12.000 For an average of $369 annually to charity, there was never a point in my adult life where I gave that kind of money to charity.

00:19:19.000 I mean, I was making way less money than Joe Biden was here, and I was giving more, and I am not the ideal of charity.

00:19:25.000 There are people who give way more in charity than I do.

00:19:28.000 The total increase when Biden served as VP, with donation of book proceeds to charity, clothing to Goodwill, and other contributions, The 2015 forms show he has taken out a mortgage on his Delaware home in 2013.

00:19:40.000 He also took out a line of credit on his home the next year.

00:19:43.000 His Delaware estate became the source of income for several years.

00:19:47.000 So they're doing well.

00:19:48.000 They're doing well.

00:19:51.000 In April of 2017, he signed a book deal that was worth $8 million, covering three books, two by the VP and one from Jill Biden.

00:19:58.000 Two of those books have been published to date.

00:20:01.000 So high income Joe, high net worth Joe, doesn't have the same sort of ring as middle class Joe.

00:20:07.000 And we'll see how Democrats try to exploit that, saying that Biden is out of touch.

00:20:10.000 That'll be the pitch, right?

00:20:11.000 Biden is out of touch on issues of race.

00:20:13.000 He's old.

00:20:14.000 And now they're going to say he's out of touch with the common man because he's rich.

00:20:18.000 It'll be amusing to watch the fellow progressives make him their targeting, their target.

00:20:24.000 It'll be very amusing to watch that, frankly.

00:20:27.000 It is incredible to watch how far left the Democratic Party has moved.

00:20:30.000 I mean, Joe Biden was on the progressive wing of the Democratic Party for many years, just as Nancy Pelosi was the leader of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party in Congress for many, many years, until AOC arose, at which point Nancy Pelosi became a moderate.

00:20:42.000 The fact that Joe Biden is now considered the moderate in the Democratic Party is pretty astounding.

00:20:48.000 It is a pretty astounding thing.

00:20:50.000 In just a second, we'll get to Bernie Sanders, who's been stumbling along the way.

00:20:54.000 And thus, he has announced his new strategy. 0.99

00:20:57.000 Free crap for everyone. 0.98

00:20:59.000 By free crap for everyone, he means that you and I will pay for the free crap he wants to give people in return for their votes. 0.99

00:21:05.000 Bribery with taxpayer dollars. 0.99

00:21:06.000 Fun and lucrative.

00:21:07.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:22:15.000 OK, so Bernie Sanders looks to be on the ropes in this campaign.

00:22:20.000 He's dropping in the polls.

00:22:22.000 He's holding steady in a few of them at around 20 percent, but he is certainly nowhere near to challenging Joe Biden in supremacy in these polling numbers.

00:22:30.000 He's basically getting doubled up by Joe Biden or surpassed by Elizabeth Warden.

00:22:34.000 And that means that Bernie Sanders has to announce free stuff.

00:22:38.000 The time has come.

00:22:39.000 It's time for Bernie Sanders to announce free stuff.

00:22:40.000 So yesterday, he announced that he wants to cancel the entirety of all student loan debt in the United States and presumably also going forward.

00:22:47.000 So this is going to cost like $3 trillion.

00:22:50.000 He says that he wants to spend $1.6 trillion right now.

00:22:53.000 The case that he made on Twitter was, if we can bail out Wall Street, then we should be able to bail out student loans.

00:23:00.000 I love that kind of logic.

00:23:02.000 If we can do this thing that no one liked and everyone thought was bad, then we can also do this non sequitur.

00:23:08.000 Great argument.

00:23:09.000 Here is Bernie Sanders yesterday, on the lawn, on CNN, telling all the younger people, first get off my loans, second I'm paying off your student loans.

00:23:20.000 This proposal will make it possible for every person in America to get all of the education they need, regardless of their financial status.

00:23:31.000 This means making public colleges, universities, and HBCUs tuition-free and debt-free by tripling the work-study program, expanding Pell Grants, and other financial incentives.

00:23:47.000 Okay, so we're going to just pay off everybody's student loans. 0.98

00:23:52.000 Now, there are a million reasons this is a crap idea. 0.91

00:23:54.000 Reason number one. 0.97

00:23:55.000 Disproportionately, the people with student loans are people who are middle income and higher income, or who will be because they have college degrees.

00:24:01.000 So you are now creating a regressive tax system Whereby people who have either already paid off their student loans or people who didn't take student loans are paying for people who did take student loans.

00:24:11.000 Second, you're incentivizing people to go to college without regard to their financial situation.

00:24:17.000 And that's really stupid because the fact is that very often if you're going to college to major in art history at the cost of $150,000, that's not a good deal for you and it's not a good deal for the taxpayer. 0.94

00:24:26.000 You should be going to college to learn a trade. 0.98

00:24:29.000 And banks are a great way of telling you what exactly they think you're going to make coming out of college.

00:24:35.000 You can take out those loans, but banks may charge you a higher interest rate depending on your major, if this were all privatized.

00:24:40.000 One of the great tragedies of the American higher educational system is the subsidization of individual choice in education by the taxpayer.

00:24:51.000 You know, we're not talking about mandatory education now.

00:24:53.000 We're not talking about school vouchers for seventh graders who have to go to a school.

00:24:56.000 We are talking about people going to college to major in random crap that they completely don't need, and doing so on the back of people who are already earning the taxpayer dollars, many of whom are not going to college. 0.98

00:25:08.000 And this is not a rip by saying that only dumb people don't go to college or something like that. 0.99

00:25:13.000 That's silly. 0.99

00:25:13.000 I know a thousand smart people who didn't go to college. 0.99

00:25:16.000 And I know a thousand smart people who did go to college but probably didn't need to go to college.

00:25:19.000 My business partner went to a community college for two years and dropped out.

00:25:23.000 He's doing fine.

00:25:24.000 He runs a business that employs a hundred people.

00:25:26.000 You don't have to go to college to be highly successful. 0.99

00:25:29.000 By proclaiming that you do, and that the taxpayer should foot the bill, we're engaged in something dumb.

00:25:34.000 The reality is that many other countries that heavily subsidize higher education also do what's called tracking.

00:25:39.000 In Israel, they subsidize higher education.

00:25:42.000 They also track the students at age 17, 18 years old, and basically, you are tracked into engineering, or you are tracked into some other field, and that way, the government basically knows that they're getting their worth out of you.

00:25:54.000 Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, would simply like to throw everybody into wokeness studies at the university and then have you pay for it, and me pay for it. 0.97

00:26:03.000 Also, what a sucker I was. 0.99

00:26:04.000 My goodness, what a sucker I was. 0.98

00:26:06.000 So, I took out a bunch of student loan debt to go to Harvard Law School, and then I proceeded to pay off all of my student loan debt. 0.98

00:26:11.000 And then, I paid for the end of my wife's college education, and I paid for her entire medical school education.

00:26:18.000 And we paid for that because we're married. 0.98

00:26:20.000 And we are suckers, man. 0.97

00:26:21.000 We should have just waited around. 0.92

00:26:22.000 In fact, I want student loan reparations.

00:26:25.000 I was sucker enough to pay back the government if she took a Pell Grant, which I don't remember, frankly.

00:26:30.000 I was certainly sucker enough to pay back the banks that made us the loans.

00:26:32.000 I feel like I deserve reparations from Bernie Sanders.

00:26:35.000 If we're going to do this, then everybody who fairly paid their debt ought to be paid also.

00:26:39.000 Why is it only the people who didn't pay their debt who ought to be paid?

00:26:42.000 So the more irresponsible you were with your debt in taking it out and then not paying it back, the more I'm supposed to pay for it even though I already did my job by paying back my debt?

00:26:52.000 Here's the thing.

00:26:53.000 Monetary incentives help you structure your decision-making in a more beneficial way.

00:26:57.000 If you think that there are no consequences to your actions, you are very likely to take more irresponsible actions.

00:27:03.000 Responsibility comes with consequences.

00:27:06.000 I talked yesterday on my radio show about the difference between carefree and free.

00:27:10.000 Bernie Sanders seems to identify the two.

00:27:13.000 The idea is that he wants you to be... True freedom, he says, comes from economic security.

00:27:17.000 No.

00:27:19.000 True carefree feeling comes from economic security.

00:27:22.000 True freedom comes in living like an adult where you bear the consequences of your actions.

00:27:26.000 This actually incentivizes you to take more responsible actions.

00:27:29.000 Bernie Sanders wants to disincentivize all of that.

00:27:32.000 Bernie Sanders would like for everyone to have no incentive to be responsible.

00:27:36.000 And you can see how this thinking leads to utter silliness. 0.96

00:27:39.000 So the venerable Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, who is just a crown jewel of intellect in the United States Congress, she was out there yesterday stumping for Bernie Sanders' dumb plan. 0.55

00:27:52.000 And she says that she told a very, very sad story, a very sad story about a girl who got into a dream college, but she couldn't afford to go.

00:27:58.000 I mean, my heart wept.

00:28:00.000 My heart wept.

00:28:02.000 I was mentoring this girl, this young woman.

00:28:05.000 Her name was Andrea.

00:28:06.000 She was about three or four years younger than me.

00:28:09.000 And she had gotten into all of these prestigious universities, but she was given no student loan assistance.

00:28:17.000 And she truly felt, at 16, 17 years old, she felt that the decision of college was so important that she felt that she needed to consider taking on $250,000 worth of debt to go to college.

00:28:32.000 And I think that in and of itself illustrates the absurdity of our education financing system.

00:28:39.000 And that is wrong.

00:28:41.000 It is not right.

00:28:43.000 Okay, I have a question.

00:28:44.000 Why is it wrong?

00:28:45.000 So she had to consider whether to take out debt to pay for an education that would presumably give her a calling card so she could make more money afterward and then pay back the debt. 0.84

00:28:52.000 This is how loans work.

00:28:53.000 When you take out a mortgage for a house, it's because you think that the house is either going to accrue in value or you're going to pay off the mortgage.

00:29:00.000 You know what my dream house is?

00:29:02.000 My dream house is Joe Biden's current house.

00:29:04.000 That sounds like a great house.

00:29:06.000 12,000 square feet, $4.25 million on the open market.

00:29:09.000 Sounds pretty fantastic.

00:29:10.000 You know what I'm not going to do?

00:29:11.000 Go buy that house.

00:29:13.000 Not only because Joe Biden is living there and might go out on a balcony and shoot a shotgun into the air or something, but also because I can't afford that house.

00:29:21.000 Why would I go and buy a house I can't afford?

00:29:24.000 Making responsible financial decisions is part of being an adult.

00:29:28.000 I have lots of dreams. 1.00

00:29:29.000 I have a dream that the media will objectively cover AOC's stupidity. 1.00

00:29:33.000 That's not going to happen either. 1.00

00:29:35.000 Not all dreams come true.

00:29:36.000 Reality doesn't fulfill all of our dreams.

00:29:39.000 But it seems to me that, suggesting that there's something broken in our finance system, there is, by the way, something broken in our student loan finance system.

00:29:45.000 And that is the involvement of the federal government in the first place, which has led to a radical increase in the number of people trying to get into college, which has led to a radical increase in the number of administrators, not a radical increase in supply, and thus, a rising price.

00:29:58.000 It's dramatically rising prices in the student loan markets despite, and not despite, because of federal subsidies.

00:30:04.000 That's why you're seeing these rising prices.

00:30:06.000 But if the idea is that this poor girl achieved, got into a college and then had to take out student debt, which presumably she will then pay off, maybe she should assess whether it is worth the debt or not. 0.51

00:30:17.000 The fact that we take it for granted that it is worth the debt to go to college is very silly. 0.92

00:30:22.000 It's very silly. 0.80

00:30:22.000 We do this all the time in our lives. 0.80

00:30:24.000 But you wouldn't do this with a mortgage.

00:30:25.000 You wouldn't.

00:30:26.000 You wouldn't do it with any other form of debt.

00:30:27.000 You wouldn't say, listen, my dream is to own that enormous house right there, and so I'm taking on $4 million of debt on a $100,000 salary. 0.99

00:30:33.000 You wouldn't do that because this would make you a fool. 0.92

00:30:37.000 Why people do it with college? 0.99

00:30:38.000 It's just because there's been a lie that's been promulgated by our media and our politicians that if you go to college, you are instantly guaranteed a six-figure income when you come out, no matter what garbage you major in. 1.00

00:30:47.000 And it's silly, and it's stupid, and it's counterproductive. 0.99

00:30:49.000 Okay, in just a second, I'll show you more foolish lines of thought from illustrious members of our Congress on student loans. 0.99

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00:32:17.000 OK, we'll get to more on student loans, and then we're going to get to Joe Biden, who continues to fight back against Bernie Sanders.

00:32:23.000 We'll see if he succeeds.

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00:32:59.000 Okay, AOC wasn't just telling sad stories about others.

00:33:09.000 No, AOC had a sad story about AOC.

00:33:12.000 A very sad story about AOC.

00:33:13.000 Despite the fact that AOC is the youngest elected member of Congress, despite the fact that AOC is completely unqualified for her position on any intellectual or governmental level, despite the fact that AOC earns close to $180,000 a year and lives in a luxury apartment in Washington, D.C., she's a victim. 0.85

00:33:28.000 Don't you know?

00:33:29.000 And she's a victim because she has student loan debt. 1.00

00:33:33.000 Just like a lot of people, she has student loan debt.

00:33:34.000 And this means that she has been victimized by the system.

00:33:37.000 The system's bad.

00:33:38.000 How do we know the system is bad?

00:33:39.000 Listen to her case for why the system is bad.

00:33:41.000 And let's see if you can spot the logical flaw in what she's saying.

00:33:46.000 I will be completely honest.

00:33:48.000 I will disclose my personal stake in this fight because I have student loans, too.

00:33:54.000 And I think it's so funny.

00:33:56.000 A year ago, I was waiting tables in a restaurant, and it was literally easier for me to become the youngest woman in American history elected to Congress than it is to pay off my student loan debt. 0.66

00:34:09.000 Okay, she is so unbelievably whiny! 1.00

00:34:12.000 I'm sorry, stop bitching for a second. 0.99

00:34:14.000 I mean, stop complaining. 0.96

00:34:16.000 Like, that's so unbelievably whiny.

00:34:19.000 I have student loans at poor little me, and therefore bail me out.

00:34:23.000 I mean, talk about a privileged mentality.

00:34:26.000 I voluntarily took out student loan debt, and then I used my college degree to brag about how smart I am, because I have a degree in international relations, where apparently I learned things like Jeremy Corbyn is wonderful, and we have concentration camps on the border, and also I have a minor in economics, where I learned things like capitalism is very bad, and also it's some sort of oppression to grow certain types of vegetables in Brooklyn or something.

00:34:46.000 And then she stands around talking, Oh, poor little AOC. 1.00

00:34:48.000 Oh, oh, the heart weeps.

00:34:52.000 Oh, we all have to.

00:34:53.000 OK, so if her contention is that it was easier for her to get elected to Congress than to pay off her student loan debt, this is an excellent case for her not being in Congress.

00:35:01.000 It's an excellent case, and I will tell you why.

00:35:04.000 If you are unable to pay off your student loan debt, I have a proposal.

00:35:07.000 If you are unable or unwilling to pay off your student loan debt, you should not be a representative in the public sphere.

00:35:13.000 Number one, you got skin in the game and you're bailing yourself out.

00:35:15.000 So if you're bailing yourself out, that's not great.

00:35:18.000 That's not a great thing, because here we're not talking about you keeping more of your own money.

00:35:22.000 We're talking about you being forgiven debt that you voluntarily took out. 0.94

00:35:26.000 She's basically Michael Scott in the office, running out in public, shouting, It's ridiculous.

00:35:34.000 Like, if you can't pay for your student loan debt, don't take it out.

00:35:37.000 And also, your voters should know that, like, really, if it was easier for you to be elected to Congress than to pay off your student loan debt, that doesn't say a lot about you.

00:35:47.000 Maybe you should have worked on paying off your student loan debt like a responsible human being.

00:35:51.000 By the way, how much of that $175,000 to be in Congress, which is basically a part-time job?

00:35:58.000 Doesn't sound bad to me.

00:35:59.000 Seems like you could pay your student loan debt off right now instead of asking me to pay off your student loan debt, lady. 1.00

00:36:05.000 Really ridiculous. 0.93

00:36:05.000 Okay, and then finally we have Ilhan Omar. 0.93

00:36:08.000 So Ilhan Omar, who may or may not have once married her brother, this is still under dispute according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

00:36:15.000 She says that, don't worry guys, don't worry.

00:36:18.000 Student loan debt, this isn't a giveaway to the rich.

00:36:20.000 We need to do it right now.

00:36:21.000 It's not a giveaway to the rich to give a bunch of people who graduated college and voluntarily took out debt Forgiveness for their loans, as opposed to, you know, low-income people who have to take out loans from payday lenders and stuff.

00:36:32.000 No, we should definitely make sure that people who graduated from Harvard with $200,000 in debt, that their loans must be paid off.

00:36:38.000 That's not a giveaway to the rich, says Ilhan Omar.

00:36:41.000 What my bill does is simple as it is revolutionary, as Senator Sanders says.

00:36:47.000 It cancels all of 1.6 trillion student loan debt.

00:36:53.000 No exceptions, no questions asked, full cancellation.

00:36:56.000 You might ask, why full cancellation?

00:36:59.000 What about the people who can pay off their student debt?

00:37:03.000 Well, let me say this.

00:37:05.000 The children of Donald Trump aren't asking or taking out student loans.

00:37:10.000 Canceling student debt is a problem of the poor and the middle class, not of the rich.

00:37:16.000 Okay, that's absolute, utter horsepucky.

00:37:18.000 It's absolute nonsense. 0.97

00:37:19.000 You know the reason it's absolute nonsense?

00:37:21.000 Because many rich people do take out student loan debt, specifically because they want their kids to have to pay off the debt.

00:37:27.000 Okay, also, many people take out student loan debt because the student loans are actually really low interest rates, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to pay cash out of pocket now, when you could incur a low interest rate over time.

00:37:37.000 Also, The idea is that you have increased your earning potential by going to college.

00:37:42.000 So the question isn't, were you rich when you went into college and took out the loan debt?

00:37:45.000 The question is, are you richer coming out?

00:37:47.000 Because that was the whole bargain, wasn't it?

00:37:49.000 Is that you were going to have a higher earning potential and therefore you can pay off the debt.

00:37:52.000 None of this makes any sense, but that's okay.

00:37:54.000 It doesn't have to make sense.

00:37:55.000 It's free stuff for everybody!

00:37:56.000 Yay, Democrats!

00:37:58.000 Don't you feel more free?

00:37:59.000 I feel more free knowing that there are a bunch of Democrats who are going to come to my house with a gun if I don't pay taxes to pay for AOC student loan debt.

00:38:05.000 Makes me feel more free, I can tell you that.

00:38:07.000 And herein lies the pitch for Joe Biden, right?

00:38:10.000 In the end, here's the pitch for Joe Biden.

00:38:12.000 Joe Biden said yesterday, listen, I'm not saying free stuff for everybody, that this is a revolutionary statement in modern American politics.

00:38:19.000 It's truly incredible.

00:38:19.000 But here's Joe Biden.

00:38:21.000 The thing is that the idea, as we strengthen the African-American community throughout this country, what we do is we not only make it better for them, we make it better for all of America.

00:38:32.000 And to those people who are cynical about this, I want to point out, we save billions of dollars in the process.

00:38:38.000 Billions of dollars.

00:38:39.000 And look, Rev, we can do this.

00:38:42.000 I'm not making these numbers up.

00:38:43.000 Mine or not, let's make everything free for everybody all the time.

00:38:46.000 We can send everybody to community college for free.

00:38:51.000 Okay, he sounds like a moderate simply because he says, I'm not going to make everything free.

00:39:00.000 So that's where all this comes in.

00:39:01.000 Now, what's fascinating about the current race is that when you look at the racial breakdown among the Democrats, it really is fascinating.

00:39:09.000 Joe Biden has a heavy share of the black vote, and this is why he is off to such a strong start. 0.99

00:39:13.000 If you look at his share of the white vote, It actually ain't great.

00:39:15.000 He's running absolutely competitively with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders among white Americans.

00:39:20.000 Among black Americans, he is way the hell ahead. 1.00

00:39:22.000 He has something like 40% of all the black vote in the Democratic primaries, which means that he walks away with the nomination.

00:39:28.000 And there have been attacks on Biden over race, right?

00:39:31.000 Ta-Nehisi Coates was out there saying that Joe Biden shouldn't be the nominee. 0.99

00:39:34.000 Al Sharpton, who for some reason is still considered an expert that people are looking to for moral guidance, despite the fact that he's one of the worst race baiters in modern American history and a garbage heap of a human being. 0.93

00:39:45.000 The man who was originally made famous by the Tijuana Browley hoax, a man who is deeply anti-Semitic. 0.90

00:39:52.000 You know, pin back your yarmulkes and come on over to my house, he said, right before the Crown Heights riots of 1991.

00:39:56.000 He's shouting about diamond merchants right before Freddie's fashion market's burned down in the 1990s.

00:40:02.000 This guy is considered somebody that everybody has to go visit and pay homage to.

00:40:06.000 Al Sharpton, a terrible human being.

00:40:08.000 Well, Al Sharpton last night said that Joe Biden needs to apologize for suggesting that he has to work with people with whom he disagrees, including in the past segregation of senators. 0.54

00:40:17.000 Here's Al Sharpton ripping on him.

00:40:19.000 It's had no effect whatsoever.

00:40:20.000 None.

00:40:21.000 This is about showing that you're sensitive and that you regard and respect the feelings of people that you want to govern and say, you know, I can grow and I can learn that if I make a mistake, even if it's unintentional, I can say that's a mistake.

00:40:36.000 I'm sorry if I hurt somebody there, but let's move on and bring the country together to normalize But it's having no impact on Joe Biden.

00:40:45.000 None.

00:40:46.000 Among the voting electorate, it's having none.

00:40:49.000 Okay?

00:40:49.000 racist and bigoted views, to civilize or normalize that is painful.

00:40:55.000 You can't give comfort to racism, and you've got to admit and own when you say something that may be insensitive to others.

00:41:03.000 But it's having no impact on Joe Biden.

00:41:05.000 None.

00:41:05.000 Among the voting electorate, it's having none.

00:41:07.000 Okay?

00:41:07.000 And part of that is because the sort of aura of Barack Obama is on Joe Biden, right?

00:41:13.000 Barack Obama, the most popular figure in American politics among black Americans, for obvious reasons.

00:41:18.000 First black president would do that, you would imagine. 0.99

00:41:21.000 That has affected Joe Biden in a pretty serious way.

00:41:24.000 And that means that even Cory Booker's attacks on Joe Biden basically backfired, according to the New York Times.

00:41:29.000 So Cory Booker has not gained in the polls.

00:41:31.000 He's been backing off of his battle deliberately with Joe Biden.

00:41:35.000 So that is You know, that's telling.

00:41:38.000 At the same time, the racial attacks are working on Pete Buttigieg.

00:41:41.000 So Pete Buttigieg, who was until five seconds ago the darling of the media when they decided to change their allegiance from Buttigieg to Elizabeth Warren wholesale.

00:41:49.000 Pete Buttigieg has been confronted by angry protesters in South Bend, Indiana after a black man who was allegedly breaking into cars, was confronted by police, turned around, allegedly was carrying a knife.

00:41:59.000 There's no dash cam footage or camera footage from body armor or anything from the police.

00:42:05.000 Let's give him a moment.

00:42:06.000 shot by a police officer holding a knife, allegedly.

00:42:08.000 That's all the available evidence.

00:42:10.000 Just because there's a lack of tape does not mean that there is a falsification of evidence.

00:42:14.000 It just means there's no evidence from the tape.

00:42:16.000 So that's what we know.

00:42:17.000 Well, Pete Buttigieg went back to South Bend, Indiana to deal with this, and then he just got shellacked by his own citizens, and the media are burying him.

00:42:24.000 - Let's give him a moment.

00:42:29.000 - Okay. - We've been working on it in South Bend for years, bro. - Okay, so hold on.

00:42:34.000 Mayor, when that young man got killed over there, ran over at the stoplight, what did you say?

00:42:40.000 What did you say, man?

00:42:42.000 You dang near blamed him!

00:42:43.000 How can we supposed to trust you?

00:42:45.000 These people was unheard and that's why y'all getting the reaction y'all getting. 0.97

00:42:48.000 So stop telling people shut up.

00:42:49.000 Stop telling people how to feel.

00:42:51.000 Because y'all not feeling the same way we feeling.

00:42:53.000 I've been fighting the same fight with these people for six years.

00:42:55.000 I had to stop New Black Power because we got retaliated against.

00:42:58.000 How can we trust y'all?

00:43:00.000 When we get retaliated against for fighting against y'all, how can we trust y'all?

00:43:03.000 OK, so the View went after him wholesale yesterday, and I think that this is indicative of where the Democratic mindset is going with Pete Buttigieg.

00:43:13.000 The party's over.

00:43:14.000 The thrill is gone.

00:43:15.000 Here's Joy Behar going after Pete Buttigieg. 0.94

00:43:17.000 Pete, fix what's going on in South Bend.

00:43:20.000 I think they have 100,000 people there or something?

00:43:22.000 I don't remember.

00:43:23.000 It's small.

00:43:24.000 Somebody will tell you in a year.

00:43:26.000 It's a small population.

00:43:27.000 Do your job first there and then run for president.

00:43:30.000 He has had a problem with the African-American community in South Bend for quite some time.

00:43:35.000 You have to feel this community's pain that you're representing.

00:43:38.000 And I thought he did a really piss poor job of listening to those people in that town hall and feeling the pain.

00:43:46.000 Okay, so, I mean, people are upset with Pete Buttigieg.

00:43:49.000 And it's not just The View.

00:43:51.000 CNN's Jackie Kucinich yesterday said, Buttigieg can't even name his black supporters.

00:43:54.000 I mean, he's in trouble here.

00:43:56.000 The Daily Beast's Hannah Tredeau has a story today about talking with African American leaders.

00:44:01.000 And he was asked during these private meetings, who are your black supporters back home?

00:44:06.000 Who can you name?

00:44:07.000 And he couldn't give them an answer.

00:44:09.000 And it was an answer that he gave to several people that she spoke to.

00:44:13.000 So that in and of itself not being able to answer that question is problematic and it's making some of these folks that Hannah spoke to think that he's not serious and that he's kind of naive about his interactions with the African-American community and this what's going on in South Bend is underscoring that right now.

00:44:31.000 So the attack is still useful, but it's only working on Buttigieg, not on Biden.

00:44:35.000 Why?

00:44:36.000 Because Buttigieg is an unknown.

00:44:37.000 Biden has a long history.

00:44:38.000 People have already made up their minds about Joe Biden.

00:44:40.000 And this, in essence, is his greatest strength.

00:44:42.000 People already have an opinion of Joe Biden.

00:44:45.000 He was the vice president for eight years.

00:44:46.000 He is 100% baked in, kind of like Trump.

00:44:49.000 That means that most attacks on him are going to fail.

00:44:51.000 So that means that it's not about making Joe Biden into a 15% candidate.

00:44:56.000 He's never going to be a 15% candidate.

00:44:58.000 It's about tearing him down to 25%, 20%.

00:45:01.000 If you get him down to 25, he's not the nominee.

00:45:04.000 Because what you're gonna start seeing is some of these Democrats start to drop out over time.

00:45:08.000 Remember, we are a year and a half out, guys.

00:45:10.000 I mean, it is June of 2019.

00:45:12.000 The first primaries are not until, what, the beginning of February of 2020?

00:45:17.000 So we are a solid six to seven months away from the first primaries.

00:45:21.000 That means that there are gonna be some of these candidates who drop out, their support is gonna go other places.

00:45:25.000 Biden's gonna have to outlast a lot of folks.

00:45:28.000 If his ceiling is really 38%, And we don't know where his floor is.

00:45:32.000 Let's say that his floor is somewhere in the 20s.

00:45:34.000 This could turn into a competitive race still, because the best thing for Elizabeth Warren right now is for Pete Buttigieg to fall apart. 1.00

00:45:41.000 If you're the last person standing in the progressive lane, you are the chief rival to Joe Biden.

00:45:46.000 And then it's on.

00:45:48.000 Then it's on.

00:45:48.000 Alrighty, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:45:51.000 So, things that I like.

00:45:53.000 So if you are a fan of the John Wick series, as you all know, I think that John Wick, in retrospect, some of the great movies in the history of mankind, The first 15 minutes of John Wick 3 is just nothing but pure wonder and joy.

00:46:06.000 There is a movie that was made back in 2011.

00:46:08.000 It's an Indonesian film, and it was directed by Gareth Edwards, who has gone on to direct the 2014 Godzilla, which actually is a really good film.

00:46:16.000 It's very underrated.

00:46:18.000 The movie is called The Raid.

00:46:19.000 It's effectively Die Hard with Karate.

00:46:24.000 Basically, it is, the entire premise is that there's a criminal who lives on the top building of this, the top floor of this building, and the cops go in and they have to get to the top floor of the building, dodging all of the criminals who live in the building and are directed by the criminal at the top.

00:46:37.000 That's the entire movie.

00:46:38.000 And it's a great elevator pitch, right?

00:46:40.000 I mean, any movie that you can sum up in one, John Wick is like that.

00:46:43.000 They killed his puppy, he kills everyone.

00:46:45.000 That's the entire movie.

00:46:46.000 Right?

00:46:47.000 This is, the rate is like that, except it's got some of the best Shot and directed action sequences I've ever seen.

00:46:55.000 I mean, this is really well-choreographed stuff.

00:46:58.000 Here's a little bit of the preview.

00:46:59.000 We won't play too much of it because it's in a foreign language.

00:47:01.000 So for the audio listeners, it's not going to give you much.

00:47:04.000 It says 20 elite cops. 0.84

00:47:17.000 Unruthless crime lord.

00:47:18.000 30 floors of chaos, that's it.

00:47:25.000 That's the entire pitch, guys.

00:47:26.000 And the action sequences are just terrific.

00:47:30.000 You've seen some of these actors in other things.

00:47:32.000 So the guy who was sort of the breakout star from this ended up playing one of the parts in The Force Awakens.

00:47:39.000 Actually in Rogue One, sorry, in Rogue One.

00:47:40.000 He ends up playing one of the sort of jujitsu masters in Rogue One.

00:47:46.000 The movie is really fun.

00:47:48.000 It's really good.

00:47:48.000 I look forward to watching The Raid 2.

00:47:50.000 It's really funny.

00:47:51.000 So, I have a friend who works over at Vox.

00:47:53.000 I'm Jane Koston, and Jane and I disagree on an enormous amount about politics, but we have very similar taste in movies, and we're agreeing that this is one of the great films in the history of film.

00:48:01.000 The Raid.

00:48:02.000 So, go check it out.

00:48:03.000 It's available, I believe, on Netflix.

00:48:04.000 Certainly, it's available for rent on Amazon.

00:48:07.000 If you're into good action flicks that are completely mindless, this definitely ranks.

00:48:13.000 It's pretty phenomenal.

00:48:14.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:48:20.000 Okay, so the suppression of speech continues apace.

00:48:22.000 Yesterday, James O'Keefe and his group over at Project Veritas unleashed video that showed a Google insider talking specifically about how Google has been manipulating its search results, how top members of the Google brass are interested in preventing another Trump election in 2020, and so they've been manipulating things from behind the scenes.

00:48:40.000 The amount of trust in social media is declining rapidly, and thanks to videos like this, it definitely should.

00:48:45.000 Here's a little bit of what it sounded like.

00:48:47.000 They're a highly biased political machine that is bent on never letting somebody like Donald Trump come to power again.

00:48:54.000 2020 is certainly on top of my old organization, Justin Safety, top of mind.

00:49:00.000 They've been working on it since 2016 to make sure we're ready for 2020.

00:49:04.000 Elizabeth Warren is saying that we should break up Google. 0.87

00:49:08.000 I love her, but she's very misguided.

00:49:10.000 That will not make it better, it will make it worse, because now all these smaller companies who don't have the same resources that we do will be charged with preventing the next worst situation.

00:49:20.000 So Jen Janai is the head of responsible innovation at Google.

00:49:22.000 And she's making the case that you can't break up Google because if you have too many small companies, then those small companies won't be able to police and stop Trump in 2020 the same way that they couldn't stop Trump in 2016.

00:49:31.000 I mean, this is this is ugly stuff.

00:49:33.000 And this is going to grow.

00:49:34.000 We're going to see more of this because basically the Democrats, the Republicans are militating, I think, you know, wrongly in terms of government And the headline over at Huffington Post, as we speak, right now, is all about shareholders at Mastercard trying to get Mastercard to refuse to work with people they don't like.

00:49:49.000 down speech they don't particularly like.

00:49:51.000 And the headline over at Huffington Post, as we speak right now, is all about shareholders at MasterCard trying to get MasterCard to refuse to work with companies, to work with people they don't like.

00:50:03.000 Now, there are a lot of people I don't like that these people also don't like.

00:50:07.000 White supremacists, for example.

00:50:08.000 But the Orwellian idea of having credit card companies and banks, you're starting to see this too, banks and credit card companies decline to do business, not with violent organizations, that's one thing, or organizations that sponsor violence or that violate the law, but with organizations that express opinions they don't like.

00:50:24.000 So what, are we now going to have credit cards that are available by every different political orientation?

00:50:29.000 So now if you voted for Donald Trump, you won't be able to use MasterCard?

00:50:32.000 Is that where this is going?

00:50:33.000 The reason I say that is not because this is a slippery slope argument.

00:50:36.000 I think that you can prevent white supremacists without preventing Trump supporters.

00:50:39.000 But I don't think the left is going to hold by that.

00:50:41.000 Because the left conflates everyone.

00:50:43.000 The hard left says, I'm a white supremacist, even though I hate white supremacists, think they're evil, they threaten my life on a regular basis, and I have full-time security because of them.

00:50:51.000 So do I trust these folks to draw the lines? 0.92

00:50:54.000 No, I don't trust these folks to draw the lines.

00:50:55.000 Huffington Post says, for months, MasterCard has tried to suffocate the creation of an internal committee that would monitor payments to white supremacists and far-right extremists.

00:51:03.000 See, they're already broadening it out.

00:51:04.000 But on Tuesday, renegade shareholders will finally force a vote on the matter during the company's annual shareholder meeting.

00:51:09.000 Like most credit card companies, MasterCard is hesitant to surrender profits by blocking violent white supremacists from using its services unless laws are being broken.

00:51:17.000 Notice the coverage here from Huffington Post.

00:51:20.000 Well, which is it?

00:51:24.000 If they're violent, the law is being broken.

00:51:26.000 So they're not violent, are they?

00:51:28.000 Mastercard currently processes payments for several extremist groups, including the League of the South, National Policy Institute, Proud Boys, Stormfront, VDARE, Identity Europa, Occidental Dissent, and Radix Journal, according to Color of Change.

00:51:39.000 I don't like any of those organizations.

00:51:42.000 That does not mean that we can withstand a climate in which the left gets to decide which companies get to work with which groups, even if those groups are not breaking the law.

00:51:53.000 So now this is the next attempt.

00:51:55.000 The next attempt is going to get banks to shut down people. 0.79

00:51:57.000 And it starts with people you don't like, and pretty soon they're working on people you do.

00:52:01.000 It's all good times.

00:52:03.000 It's all good times.

00:52:04.000 Sorry, quick correction on the raid.

00:52:05.000 My producer's telling me.

00:52:06.000 It was Gareth Evans who directed the raid.

00:52:08.000 It was Gareth Edwards who directed Godzilla.

00:52:10.000 My bad.

00:52:10.000 Okay, in any case, back to the topic at hand.

00:52:14.000 So when it comes to the attempts to use major companies to shut down people who you don't like, this is truly dangerous to America's discourse and it kills all trust.

00:52:25.000 You're gonna end up with really radicalized politics simply because if you're banned from using certain types of credit card, where are you gonna go?

00:52:32.000 To the credit card that presumably will take you.

00:52:34.000 That's why I'm not in favor of deplatforming.

00:52:37.000 Defeat ideas in the realm of ideas.

00:52:38.000 Don't try to ban ideas.

00:52:40.000 Ban violence.

00:52:41.000 Fight violence.

00:52:42.000 Don't ban ideas, even ideas that I think are crappy.

00:52:44.000 And by the way, I've been targeted by these folks far more than anybody writing for the Huffington Post, and it ain't close.

00:52:49.000 Okay, other type of things that I hate today.

00:52:52.000 So, The media are asking themselves why they're not covering the allegations of E. Jean Carroll Moore. 0.83

00:52:57.000 E. Jean Carroll is the gossip columnist who claims that back in the 1990s, Donald Trump forcibly raped her. 0.98

00:53:02.000 It's the most serious accusation against Trump.

00:53:04.000 So the media are trying to lump this in with all of the other allegations against Trump because there are 16 or 21 other allegations.

00:53:11.000 against President Trump, depending on the numbers that you use.

00:53:13.000 Some of those allegations range from he kissed me, he forcibly kissed me in a closet, to he tried to touch my genitals or did touch my genitals. 0.91

00:53:22.000 This is the most serious allegation because it is an allegation of forcible penetrative rape. 0.98

00:53:26.000 And she suggests that Donald Trump took her into a dressing room at a Bergdorf and then forcibly raped her. 0.98

00:53:32.000 I mean, forcibly penetrated her. 0.96

00:53:34.000 So this is by far the most serious allegation. 0.99

00:53:37.000 And you can take all these allegations seriously and say, as I have said for a very long time, that President Trump has a long record of being garbage with women, which he does, and still say that you still have to take each allegation as per the allegations. 0.95

00:53:50.000 So I think many of the allegations about him forcibly kissing women, for example, those seem credible to me. 1.00

00:53:55.000 I can't say I think that this allegation Does not raise significant red flags.

00:54:00.000 And the reason that I think it raises significant red flags is the behavior of E. Jean Carroll here does not bespeak a level of credibility.

00:54:09.000 She took a picture on the cover of New York Magazine wearing the jacket she says that President Trump raped her in.

00:54:13.000 She says she refuses to turn it over to police for DNA analysis so we can determine whether that is true or not.

00:54:19.000 She said yesterday that she would not actually be attempting to push prosecution because it would distract from rape at the border or something.

00:54:27.000 And then yesterday, she suggested she did something so bizarre on Anderson Cooper on CNN that Anderson Cooper had to randomly cut to a commercial.

00:54:36.000 It was really, it was bizarre.

00:54:38.000 It was weird.

00:54:39.000 It undercuts credibility, it does go to credibility, and you have to assess credibility.

00:54:42.000 You have to take allegations seriously, and then you have to assess the evidence and the credibility.

00:54:46.000 It doesn't make you look credible when you say things like this on CNN.

00:54:50.000 You don't feel like a victim.

00:54:51.000 I was not thrown on the ground and ravished.

00:54:54.000 The word rape carries so many sexual connotations.

00:54:59.000 This was not sexual.

00:55:01.000 It hurt.

00:55:05.000 I think most people think of rape as a violent assault.

00:55:10.000 I think most people think of rape as being sexy.

00:55:14.000 Let's take a short break.

00:55:14.000 Think of the fantasies.

00:55:17.000 We're going to take a quick break.

00:55:19.000 If you can Instagram, we'll talk more on the other side.

00:55:21.000 Anderson Cooper.

00:55:21.000 You're fascinating to talk to.

00:55:22.000 Anderson Cooper sinking into the ground, trying to escape via commercials.

00:55:27.000 Producers in his ear right there, you can tell the signs of it.

00:55:29.000 I mean, that's...

00:55:30.000 Make your judgment for yourself.

00:55:33.000 But it is amazing to watch the media pretend that the allegations by this woman are as substantiated as some of the other allegations against Trump.

00:55:42.000 And these are much more serious allegations than some of the other allegations.

00:55:45.000 I mean, there is a level of seriousness that it tends to penetrate a forcible rape that is not quite the same as he grabbed my face and kissed me and kissed me on the lips at a public event, which are some of these other allegations.

00:55:55.000 Nonetheless, there's Chris Cuomo.

00:55:57.000 You know, saying that this is super, it's super important.

00:56:00.000 Why are we just brushing her off as just one more?

00:56:03.000 That's the point.

00:56:04.000 You can't brush her off as just one more.

00:56:05.000 You have to assess the allegations on their own merit.

00:56:08.000 What the Democrats and many in the media are trying to do is wrap this all up into a ball and say, okay, well, if he did the X, then he did Y. He may have done Y, I don't know.

00:56:15.000 You don't know, nobody knows, except for Eugene Carroll and Trump, presumably.

00:56:19.000 But if the allegation is that he has done a lot of things before, therefore he did this thing, You know, in court, we don't actually allow that.

00:56:27.000 Evidence of past crimes is not actually admissible in court specifically because you're supposed to assess whether a thing occurred on the basis of whether the thing occurred.

00:56:36.000 Here is Chris Cuomo, though, saying that we shouldn't just brush this one off.

00:56:39.000 No one's brushing it off, but you do have to listen to what the lady's saying, and she is not helping herself here. 0.98

00:56:44.000 This prominent journalist accuses the sitting president of rape.

00:56:49.000 This is the most extreme accusation we've had against this president.

00:56:54.000 And it has had almost no impact, really, on our dialogue.

00:56:57.000 If people are so appalled by this president's nonchalance and the wild number of women who say they were attacked or assaulted, or in this case, raped, why isn't this most serious account to date?

00:57:10.000 When others were covered in large ways, why is this not front page news?

00:57:15.000 Okay, the answer is that it's not front page news, really, because this lady has undercut her own credibility a bunch of times. 0.99

00:57:20.000 That's the real answer.

00:57:21.000 The real answer is...

00:57:22.000 This would be front page news if she weren't going on national television and suggesting that she's not prosecuting because she doesn't want to distract from rape at the border. 0.94

00:57:30.000 It would be front page news if she weren't coming out with a book next week after staying silent on this thing for 20 years, despite the fact that Trump was a public figure in the 1990s, remained a public figure all the way up to his presidency, and was hit with a wave of these allegations in 2016.

00:57:41.000 And it would be front page news if she weren't going on Anderson Cooper and then saying that rape is sexy. 1.00

00:57:47.000 And that she doesn't, she says, I wasn't thrown on the ground and ravaged.

00:57:50.000 That is her actual allegation.

00:57:52.000 Her actual allegation is that she was grabbed by the arms, that Trump held her against a wall and then ravished her, right? 0.99

00:57:58.000 And then raped her. 0.99

00:57:59.000 That is her actual allegation.

00:58:01.000 You got to actually look at the evidence in these cases before you decide whether or not this actually, this particular instance, and that doesn't undercut the generalized argument about what President Trump is with women.

00:58:14.000 But the reason people are not taking this allegation with the same seriousness as some of the others in 2016 is because, frankly, some allegations are more credible than others.

00:58:21.000 This one seems less credible to most people.

00:58:23.000 I think that there's a reason why that is.

00:58:25.000 And it's not simply political partisanship.

00:58:27.000 OK, we'll be back here a little bit later today with a couple additional hours of content, or we'll see you here tomorrow.

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00:59:03.000 Bernie Sanders proposes that taxpayers pay off every single student loan in the country.

00:59:07.000 We will explain how student loan forgiveness is welfare for the rich. 0.92

00:59:11.000 Then the woman accusing President Trump of rape describes rape as sexy.

00:59:16.000 Finally, the United States might go to war with Iran. 0.97

The Ben Shapiro Show - June 25, 2019

Free Everything! | Ep. 808

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