In this episode of The Ben Shapiro Show, host Ben Shapiro talks about the growing number of Chinese agents working for the Chinese government, and how the legacy media are doing the work of the west's enemies. Plus, the impact of President Trump's Iran policy, and why Americans are not having babies.
00:00:06.000They have been our geopolitical enemy since the establishment of the Chinese communist regime in 1949.
00:00:12.000Now, you may have spent some decades pretending that this isn't true.
00:00:15.000Richard Nixon famously moved to open China as a way of separating China from the Soviet Union at the time.
00:00:21.000And some neoliberals may have opened our markets to Chinese goods, hoping that free markets would lead to political moderation.0.76
00:00:28.000But all that time, China was still our enemy.0.88
00:00:30.000The People's Republic of China is a historically mass murdering, currently terror supporting surveillance state of unprecedented proportions, directed at destroying America's global hegemony.0.90
00:00:43.000And they are taking advantage of our openness to defeat us.0.88
00:00:45.000Whether it's stealing literally tens of billions of dollars in IP, stacking American universities with Chinese operatives, or infiltrating our political system, China is, in fact, our geopolitical enemy.0.84
00:01:18.000So this week, President Trump is headed on over to China.
00:01:21.000He is bringing with him many of the tech leaders, some of his diplomats and top cabinet officials.
00:01:26.000While that is happening, it has now been revealed that the mayor of Arcadia, California, which is sort of a mid-major city, a person named Eileen Wang, has now resigned because it turns out that she was a foreign agent, allegedly, of China.
00:01:38.000According to the Los Angeles Times, Wang served as mayor of the San Gabriel Valley suburb and entered into a plea agreement with prosecutors over charges she acted under the control of the PRC.
00:01:50.000To promote propaganda in the United States between 2020 and 2022.
00:01:55.000From late 2020 through at least 2022, Wang worked with a person named Yaoning Mike Sun.
00:02:01.000That would be her former fiance to run a website called US News Center that branded itself as a news source for Chinese Americans.
00:02:07.000Both Wang and Sun executed directives from Chinese government officials, posted, posting requested articles, reporting back with screenshots showing how many people viewed the stories according to the plea agreement.
00:02:18.000They did propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government is basically what happened.
00:02:24.000Turns out that she was mayor of Arcadia.
00:02:26.000And well, if only this was an isolated incident, but it absolutely is not.0.76
00:02:31.000We actually have Chinese agents who are honeycombed throughout the American government at all levels.0.60
00:02:35.000Back in 2024, a person named Linda Sun, who is the deputy chief of staff to Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, and previously an aide to Andrew Cuomo, it was alleged that she used her position to block Taiwanese representatives from meeting with governors, alter messaging, and obtain state proclamations on behalf of Chinese officials.
00:02:54.000You all remember Fang Fang, that'd be Christine Fang.1.00
00:02:57.000This would be the honeypot Chinese agent who is shtupping Eric Swalwell.0.97
00:03:02.000And Eric Swalwell, of course, being a dullard, didn't recognize what was going on at the time.0.98
00:03:06.000Supposedly, Victor Davis Hansen actually hilariously pointed out that Fang Fang had tried to hit him up, but he's smart enough to realize that random, decent looking 20 year old Chinese women don't just run up to professors at Cal State Fresno.0.98
00:03:19.000In any case, she fled the United States in 2015.
00:03:23.000In 2013, you'll recall that there's Dianne Feinstein, top staffer, who had been there for 20 years, a staffer and driver.
00:03:29.000In Feinstein's San Francisco office, who is reporting back to the secret services of the Chinese government.
00:03:36.000There's an activist named Xu Zhenwang, who founded an organization in New York that collected information on the Chinese diaspora and reported it back to the Chinese secret services.
00:03:45.000He was convicted of this activity in 2024.
00:03:48.000There's a donor named Cindy Yang in 2019, who founded the National Committee of Asian American Republicans, who was accused of selling access to President Trump and his family and was being investigated by the FBI.
00:03:59.000A Harvard professor of chemistry and chemical biology named Dr. Charles Lieber apparently had a contract.
00:04:03.000With the Wuhan University of Technology that paid him handsomely.
00:04:06.000He did not report that income to the IRS.
00:04:08.000And he was also involved, allegedly, with the Thousand Talents Plan, which sought to bring foreign scientific expertise to China.
00:04:14.000He ended up relocating to China in 2025.
00:04:17.000By the way, good indicator that you're working for China is you end up living there because ain't nobody who really, really, really wants to move to China full time.
00:04:24.000Not an amazing place to live unless you are receiving benefits from the Chinese government.
00:04:28.000In 2019, Harvard researcher Xiaozhong Zhang was arrested at Logan Airport for trying to smuggle 21 vials of biological research in a sock, and he ended up.
00:04:39.000And of course, just last this week, actually, a man identifying himself as Chris Chen, according to the New York Times, came armed with a lucrative offer when he reached out to an aide to a House committee focused on threats from China.
00:04:56.000The staff member, according to the report from the New York Times, was offered $10,000 or more by barely lifting a finger.
00:05:04.000All he needed to do was agree to phone calls every other week to share information about the committee's work and U.S. foreign policy about China.
00:05:12.000So, Chen, it appears, was essentially acting as a cutout for the Chinese.
00:05:17.000The aide, instead of accepting the deal, reported it to his bosses on the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, and the panel concluded Chen was not a Singapore based business consultant, but instead likely a Chinese intelligence officer or a contractor seeking a new recruit.0.61
00:05:31.000And as we know, China's technological development has been largely based on stealing American IP.0.76
00:05:36.000We are talking about not tens of billions, hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars in American IP stolen by the Chinese.0.91
00:05:44.000That China sends exchange students to the United States to learn about our technologies, to make connections, and then to act as Chinese operatives.0.80
00:05:54.000China is, in fact, trying to eat our lunch by using the power of being able to cram down suffering on their people in order to challenge us geopolitically.0.76
00:06:03.000Well, all of this leads up to President Trump heading on over to China.0.91
00:06:06.000There have been some rumors that President Trump is going to make overtures to China by not selling as many weapons to Taiwan.
00:06:14.000Or by allowing China to invest in data centers or manufacturing centers in the United States, both of which would be terrible ideas.
00:06:20.000President Trump is traveling with a lot of our business leaders, and this speaks to some of the big challenges.
00:06:25.000Already coming up, more on President Trump's trip to China and what we can do to fight back against China's opposition to the United States.0.94
00:06:32.000I mean, they're infiltrating pretty much every area of American life.0.98
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00:07:42.000Again, over the past few decades, there's been this perception that if we became intertangled, Economically speaking, with the Chinese government, somehow this would liberalize the Chinese government.
00:08:02.000It is true for an enormous number of American businesses.
00:08:05.000And so a lot of big business people are traveling with President Trump to China.
00:08:09.000That includes Elon Musk as well as Tim Cook, according to the New York Post.
00:08:13.000Meta President and Vice Chair Dina Powell McCormick, BlackRock Chairman and CEO Larry Fink, Boeing President and CEO Kelly Ortberg are also part of the U.S. delegation.
00:08:21.000Now, again, President Trump is trying to right the U.S. trade imbalance with Beijing by having the Chinese buy a bunch of stuff from us, including soybeans and planes and other goods.0.53
00:08:29.000The reality is, what we actually should be trying to do is box China in.
00:08:33.000We should not be looking for China to buy more of our products.0.78
00:08:36.000We should be trying to buy less of China's product.
00:08:41.000And of course, the idea that China wants to coordinate with us on AI is total nonsense.
00:08:46.000So there's apparently a conflict inside the Trump administration over cooperation with China on AI.
00:08:52.000According to the Washington Post, as President Trump prepares to travel to a summit in China, his administration is sharply split over a plan to give U.S. intelligence agencies a bigger role in evaluating AI models.
00:09:03.000According to two people familiar with the matter, the White House is grappling with new cybersecurity threats posed by mythos and similarly advanced models.
00:09:11.000So, again, there are a lot of people in the administration who are saying that the federal government should take a sharper eye with regard to AI and their models.0.85
00:09:18.000And then there are people who say, well, hey, hey, if you use the federal government, particularly if it ends up being turned over to Democrats, to basically crack down on AI, you're giving China an advantage, which pretty clearly happens to be true.0.78
00:09:29.000So, what should we be doing about China?0.96
00:09:32.000Because this has implications for our foreign policy.
00:09:35.000In a wide variety of other spheres.0.98
00:09:36.000I've been making the argument for a very long time that what we actually need to do with regard to China is cut them off at the knees.0.99
00:09:43.000The best way to do that is to economically isolate them.0.96
00:09:45.000This took the four in 2020 when China unleashed the Wuhan virus on the rest of humanity by lying, by pretending that it was not transmissible human to human, by fibbing to the WHO, which was basically a Chinese front organization at that point.0.92
00:10:01.000And a lot of folks correctly pointed out that we have manufacturing chains leading back to China and we need to find ways.0.93
00:10:12.000Well, if we actually want to isolate ourselves from China, if we wish to decouple from China without China eating our lunch with other countries, we need to use both carrot and stick.
00:10:20.000That means we need to cut good trade deals with, for example, Canada.0.83
00:10:25.000And one of the reasons that I was opposed to President Trump's trade war with Canada is because it would push that government into the arms of the Chinese.0.81
00:10:31.000In fact, Pierre Poliev, who was the conservative party candidate in Canada, was slated to win the prime ministerial election over there.
00:10:38.000He ended up losing because of the trade war, and the person who replaced Justin Trudeau ended up being Mark Carney, who is perfectly warm toward making common cause with the Chinese.
00:10:48.000We need to cut better trade deals with all of the people who are in the in between, who might move toward China and might move toward us.
00:10:55.000That's better trade deals with Canada, better trade deals with the Europeans, better trade deals with Japan and South Korea and Indonesia and Malaysia and Australia.0.87
00:11:04.000We need, in other words, to isolate China by demonstrating, by flexing our economic power.0.70
00:11:09.000And the way you flex your economic power is not purely.0.81
00:11:11.000By telling people they can't have access to our markets unless we get better access to theirs.
00:11:15.000The way that you flex your economic power is by cutting deals that isolate China.0.85
00:11:28.000And if we actually utilized our power in this way, we could isolate China.0.83
00:11:32.000We needed to do that before we decided that we were going to heavily tariff China.0.96
00:11:36.000We also can cut off their sources of revenue and power.0.51
00:11:38.000And this President Trump has been doing with alacrity.0.51
00:11:40.000Again, as I mentioned yesterday on the program, if you look at Trump's foreign policy and what he has been doing, Much of what he has been doing is directed at minimizing Chinese power and influence.
00:11:50.000The operation against Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela was designed to cut off a chief source of oil revenue for China.
00:11:57.000Something like 4 to 5 percent of all Chinese oil imports were coming from Venezuela before.
00:12:02.000Venezuela was a geopolitical ally of the Chinese.
00:12:06.000Now, Venezuela is under the American dump.
00:12:08.000The same thing, as we'll discuss in a little bit, is happening in Iran.
00:12:10.000Much of what is directed against Iran is actually directed against China.
00:12:14.000China receives 10 to 15 percent of their entire oil importation from Iran.
00:12:20.000And now it turns out that Iran is actually harming China by shutting off the Strait of Hormuz.
00:12:24.000When it comes to the Strait of Hormuz, yes, it's not having an amazing impact on the American economy, but it is hurting China much worse than it is hurting us.
00:12:30.000China receives 54% of their entire oil imports from the Middle Eastern region.
00:12:37.000And Iran right now isn't just cutting off its own oil to China because of the embargo that we have on their oil exports, it is also literally attacking Chinese shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.
00:12:47.000It is preventing those ships from moving from Qatar, from Iraq, from UAE, from Saudi.
00:12:54.000So, us isolating Iran is, in fact, cutting off a source of power and revenue for China.0.69
00:13:00.000Us helping Ukraine to defeat Russia in Ukraine is a way of cutting off a support base for China because, of course, Russia is basically a giant gas station for China at this point.
00:13:10.000Well, we can obviously strengthen our own economy.
00:13:12.000One of the big problems that we have is massive dependency here in the United States on China buying our debt.
00:13:18.000China owns trillions of dollars in American debt at this point.
00:13:21.000They buy American bonds, and then the tacit threat in doing so is that at a certain strategic point, they could flood the market with those American bonds.
00:13:30.000They could cram that down on their own citizens, just make their own citizens poorer.
00:13:33.000They don't really care about their citizens.
00:13:35.000Obviously, they live in an authoritarian communist state.
00:13:38.000So, what they could do is flood the market with cheap American bonds, making it difficult for us to raise more debt in order to pay our bills.
00:13:46.000Well, this again goes to the fact that if you wish to be a world power, you cannot be a bloated welfare state.
00:13:52.000Being a bloated welfare state is a choice.
00:13:55.000I know that there's a third rail of American politics, and that third rail of American politics is all of the entitlement programs.
00:14:01.000I understand that President Trump has taken the position, and many Republicans, JD Vance, have taken the position, Marco Rubio, they've all taken the position that the entitlement programs in the United States require no systemic changes.
00:14:13.000The problem with that perspective is when you bloat your own economy, when you create enormous anchors on the American ship of state, it is very difficult to move in the ways you need to move.
00:14:27.000Us being dependent on the Chinese to float us our debt is a huge problem.0.76
00:14:31.000What we should be doing is we should be getting lean and mean in terms of how we actually run our ship of state.
00:14:37.000We should be making our economy not only more innovative, but lower on taxes.
00:14:41.000We should be cutting down the bloated welfare state, not building it up.
00:14:46.000Because the better shape we are in, the less we have to sell our debt to our geopolitical enemies who could use that as leverage against us.
00:14:51.000And finally, we really, really need to cut off China's avenues for stealing our IP and destroying our institutions.0.96
00:14:57.000One easy way to do that zero Chinese foreign exchange students.1.00
00:15:04.000That there's a lot of incentive for our university systems to bring in Chinese foreign exchange students because foreign students pay full freight while American students pay a discounted freight.0.59
00:15:13.000We should not be importing students from places that hate the United States in order to study at our universities, period.
00:15:42.000And I guarantee you that stacking Chinese students at a bunch of top American research institutions is one of the ways that our IP is being stolen by the Chinese government.0.99
00:15:52.000So there are lots of things that we can do.0.99
00:15:55.000And again, on the international stage, let's get back to what is going on in Iran right now.
00:15:59.000As President Trump prepares to go to China, one of the top issues is what is going on in Iran.
00:16:04.000And President Trump has an enormous amount of leverage that he ought to use with the Chinese.
00:16:07.000The Chinese have been supporting the Iranians throughout this process.
00:16:12.000There is a report that is out today with regard to Iran that the Pakistanis, for example, have actually been hosting, at the behest of the Chinese, Iranian planes in Pakistan.
00:16:53.000The goal of the Soviet Union was to infiltrate the Middle East and create geopolitical connections there.
00:16:57.000The Chinese are trying to do the same in the Middle East right now.
00:16:59.000The problem they are facing is that the most powerful countries in the Middle East, Israel, increasingly the UAE, those countries are very strongly allied with the United States.
00:17:09.000Saudi is sort of playing at halvesies.
00:17:11.000Saudi wants to ally more strongly with the United States.
00:17:13.000They are afraid of a Democrat being elected and them going back to bad relations with a democratic government, sort of like they had under Joe Biden.
00:17:20.000And so they've been triangulating with the Chinese.
00:17:23.000The bottom line, though, is that the base of operations for China in the Middle East is Iran.
00:17:28.000And the fact that the president of the United States.
00:17:30.000Is working strongly in order to hamper the ability of the Iranian government to spread its tentacles across the Middle East.
00:17:39.000That is a major move by the president.
00:17:41.000It is not just directed at the Iranian government, it is directed at China.
00:17:43.000The president is expected to tell China to cut off their support for the Iranian government.
00:17:48.000By the way, there's a very easy way for the president to achieve this.
00:17:51.000The best way for the president to achieve a Chinese cut off in support for Iran is to bomb the Iranian oil facilities.0.52
00:17:56.000If Iran no longer has energy to offer to China, China's interest in Iran declines markedly.
00:18:03.000It declines even more markedly if Iran not only has no oil to export, but they are holding up all the other oil that China needs in order to power its economy.0.95
00:18:11.000At that point, does China really, really feel like upholding the Iranian mollocracy for the fun of it?0.93
00:18:17.000The president has an enormous number of levers that he can pull right there.0.81
00:18:22.000Well, the president is, it appears, getting more militant with the Iranians because I think that there's sort of a weird catch 22 that exists in foreign policy thought with regard to Iran right now.
00:18:34.000On the one hand, there's the idea that there can be a deal, that the nuclear dust will be turned over in a deal.
00:18:39.000And on the other hand, the idea is that the United States can stage some sort of operation to go get the nuclear dust.
00:18:47.000There will be a deal or there will be no deal, and we'll have to put boots on the ground.0.91
00:18:50.000There is, in fact, a third option here, and that is to chop off the arms of the Iranian regime, to chop them off and basically leave them like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, as I say.0.93
00:19:01.000You cut off their entire economic future, barring a reintegration into the world economy and an end to sanctions.0.94
00:20:47.000Massive life support, where the doctor walks in and says, Sir, your loved one has approximately a 1% chance of living.
00:20:59.000Well, again, the president is not wrong about this.0.98
00:21:01.000And as I say, this has impacts for China.
00:21:04.000According to CBS News, Pakistan is quietly allowing Iranian military aircraft to park on its airfields, potentially shielding them from American airstrikes.
00:21:12.000Iran also sent civilian aircraft to park in neighboring Afghanistan.
00:21:16.000Pakistan's reliance on China for military assistance has risen dramatically over the past decade.
00:21:20.000A Stockholm International Peace Research Institute study showed that China supplied about 80% of Pakistan's major arms between 2020 and 2024.
00:21:28.000So, this entire negotiation with Pakistan, in which Iran and China are aligned, again, what President Trump is doing in Iran is, in fact, largely directed at China.
00:21:38.000In fact, yesterday, the U.S. Treasury cut off some 12 entities that were enabling IRGC sales to China.
00:21:45.000According to the Treasury Department on X quote today, Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control is designating 12 individuals and entities.
00:21:52.000For their role in enabling the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' sale and shipment of Iranian oil to the People's Republic of China.
00:21:58.000The IRGC relies on front companies in permissive economic jurisdictions to obfuscate its role in oil sales and funnel the revenue to the Iranian regime.
00:22:05.000Instead of using this revenue to support the struggling Iranian people, the regime directs it toward weapons development, backing terrorist proxies, and funding security forces that suppress citizens' freedoms freedoms.0.78
00:23:41.000There are a lot of people who are very skeptical of American efforts abroad.
00:23:44.000They'll talk about American caused color revolutions or American propaganda abroad, how terrible all that is.
00:23:49.000Now, I'm of the opinion that some color revolutions are good and some color revolutions are bad.
00:23:53.000And many are not actually color revolutions.
00:23:55.000Some of them are legitimately revolutions in countries, and we support those revolutions that were going to exist anyway.
00:24:01.000But To pretend that our geopolitical enemies do not take advantage of our openness here in the United States in order to harm us is nonsense.
00:24:10.000Much of what we see online is a controlled op run by the Chinese, run by the Iranians, run by the Russians.0.92
00:24:16.000That is why there are so many anti American messages that seem to pick up extraordinary steam.
00:24:21.000Because every poll of American citizens shows that Americans are generally reasonable and rational people who live well within the realm of reality.
00:25:13.000However, What the experiment shows is that if all the actors around the normie start saying that the longer line matches the normal line, then the normie will start to mirror that out of fear of standing out from the herd, out of fear of exercising psychological independence.
00:25:28.000Well, the online arena is built for this.
00:25:33.000The number of likes on an ex post, people think that is reflective of reality, even if it is not.
00:25:37.000And so if you can generate a bot network or an echo chamber that radically increases the belief that many people are actually supporting a thing, you will get normies to start following.
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00:28:48.000Joining me on the line to discuss all of this is former ambassador to China and the Office of International Religious Freedom, Sam Brownback.
00:28:56.000He has a brand new book out titled China's War on Faith, talking about the CCP carrying out systemic global campaigns against.
00:29:05.000Religion and what CCP is doing to infiltrate America.
00:29:08.000Ambassador, thanks so much for taking the time.
00:29:11.000Hey, thank you for having me on the show and highlighting this.
00:29:14.000I think this is just a critical topic.
00:29:15.000And now the president's headed to Beijing.
00:29:18.000We need to be talking about this stuff.0.72
00:29:21.000So, Ambassador, I want to talk about the extent to which China has infiltrated our systems.
00:29:26.000It's trying to use our own systems against us.0.85
00:29:29.000I've been saying for a long time that China is not just a geopolitical opponent, they are, in fact, a geopolitical enemy of the United States.0.56
00:29:33.000They seek to subvert American global hegemony, they are seeking to make alliances with America's enemies.0.66
00:29:40.000Why don't you talk a little bit, and you do in your book, about exactly what China has been doing in terms of infiltrating our economic institutions and our other institutions?0.82
00:29:50.000Well, thank you for putting it just that way, because that was the thing that Ronald Reagan had to convince this country of on the Soviet Union.
00:30:11.000That's the nature of what communism is.
00:30:13.000It seeks this hegemony to be able to take over the entire world.
00:30:17.000They're seeking to push out the United States.
00:30:19.000They've been at war with us, whether we realize they are at war with us or not, and whether we declare and push back against that.
00:30:26.000That's what I think we've got to do.0.83
00:30:29.000What I point out in the book is that one of their key groups that they track and they push against and they can't stand is religion, all religions.
00:30:38.000It's the Tibetan Buddhists, it's the Muslim Uyghurs, it's Falun Gong, it's Christians.0.76
00:30:43.000All of them, because it answers to a higher authority than the government, the Communist Party.1.00
00:30:48.000And that's something they just cannot tolerate, will not tolerate.
00:30:52.000And they do it not only in their own country, they push their satellite countries to do something quite similar.
00:31:00.000Ambassador, one of the things that they obviously have done is infiltrated our economic institutions.
00:31:03.000I've talked about how they've infiltrated our universities.
00:31:05.000They've turned American businesses into essentially operatives on their own behalf by us trying to open up China politically, by opening them economically.
00:31:15.000We ended up Locating an enormous number of critical supply chains in China.0.60
00:31:19.000And that has allowed them to basically leverage the United States into kinder treatment as they steal our IP.0.55
00:31:25.000What are the kinds of things that you saw as ambassador to China that made you say, wow, China really does not have some sort of cooperative interest at heart?
00:31:33.000What I saw that really turned me on this was the concentration camps in Xinjiang or East Turkestan, whatever you want to really refer to it as.
00:31:41.000It's never been a part of China until the Chinese Communist Party took it over.
00:31:45.000But when they put in place concentration camps, And this is in 2018 that I first started to notice this.
00:31:54.000In 2018, we have concentration camps in the world?
00:31:58.000And then, if you get out of the concentration camps, you have this digital police state that's around you with cameras everywhere and tracking devices on your phone and keyword searches.0.68
00:32:09.000They were putting in a beta test of how you mollify a religious population.
00:32:41.000But we've got to stand up and push back against that.
00:32:44.000And thankfully, President Trump has done more on religious freedom than any modern president, arguably more than any president since Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the original religious freedom charter in Virginia.0.59
00:32:57.000He's a guy that really can and should be in a position to push back against what China is doing.
00:33:05.000Ambassador, you mentioned obviously their attacks on faith.
00:33:08.000A large part of that is not just communism.
00:33:10.000It's also an attack on America because America, of course, is a faith based country.0.95
00:33:14.000And one of the things that they have been attempting to do is basically infiltrate pretty much all of our systems.0.98
00:33:19.000You mentioned digital authoritarianism.
00:33:21.000But obviously, algorithms like TikTok that were designed for American consumption are designed in order to undermine America's belief in her own principles.
00:33:30.000You see China trying to spread its tentacles abroad via places like Iran, places like Venezuela.
00:33:35.000The president's been fighting back against a lot of that.
00:33:37.000What are the best strategies the United States should be using in order to curb Chinese influence operations?
00:33:43.000Number one, we need to realize we're at war.
00:33:46.000I think that's the first step we got to say, and need to go to the American public look, this is a system that's diametrically opposed to us.
00:33:55.000On this foundational issue of religious freedom, we look at it as a cornerstone human right.
00:33:59.000They look at it as an existential threat.
00:34:02.000Then I think we need to start bringing into the White House, the vice president, the secretary of state, Chinese dissidents that have been persecuted for their faith.
00:34:10.000Have them tell their story to the American public, to our leaders.
00:34:14.000We should convene a leadership summit of world religious leaders and talk with them about religious freedom for everybody, everywhere, including in China.
00:34:23.000Because China fears religious freedom more than they fear our aircraft carriers or our nuclear weapons.
00:34:31.000I think as we start pushing on our principles, remember religious freedom 250 years ago, this is a foundational principle that allows the United States to form.
00:34:41.000And it's really what people first came here for.
00:34:44.000So, this is us in principle standing on our principles at a time we're under attack by a regime that wants to remove us from global leadership.0.95
00:34:53.000I think these are some effective ways we can start to effectively push back against this Chinese communism, authoritarianism growth around the world.0.92
00:35:04.000Well, that is Sam Brownback, the former governor of Kansas and former ambassador to China.0.94
00:35:51.000So, by party idea, again, people tend to believe the things that they find it emotionally resonant to believe.
00:35:58.000It turns out the Democrats and independents, people who don't love Trump, are significantly more likely to believe that particular events were staged.
00:36:06.00034% of Americans who are Democrats believe that the White House Correspondence Dinner assassination attempt was staged.
00:36:13.00042%, 4 in 10 Democrats believe that the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt was staged.
00:36:19.000That compares to 13% of Republicans on the White House Correspondents' Dinner and just 7% on the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting.
00:36:27.000Independents are somewhere in between.
00:36:29.000Again, the question is why this conspiracism has cropped up.
00:36:32.000The answer is, of course, our mainstream legacy institutions have failed us.
00:36:37.000I spoke about this at the University of Austin a couple of weeks ago.
00:36:40.000When people don't believe places that were supposed to tell them the truth, they start believing everything and anything.
00:36:47.000And typically, they resonate to things that are one, popular, and two, filter with their priors.
00:36:53.000And so, what you end up with is a wide variety of Americans who side with America's enemies because they don't like Trump, so they side with America's enemies, or they don't like what's going on in their life.
00:37:02.000So, they buy the lie that there's some conspiratorial elite who is making bad things happen in their life.
00:37:09.000Alexander Dugan's been writing about this for 30 years.
00:37:11.000The Chinese Communist Party writes about this sort of stuff.
00:37:14.000It is not as though they are hiding the ball.
00:37:16.000What they say to their own intelligence apparatus is that they are attempting to turn American opinion against itself, and it is working.
00:37:23.000And there are some people on the left who have acknowledged that it's working.
00:37:26.000Sam Harris, I have huge disagreements with Sam Harris about, for example, President Trump.0.71
00:37:30.000But he is not wrong when he tells Winston Marshall that the left is increasingly allying with, for example, Islamist enemies of the United States and the West.0.68
00:37:36.000The left has been successfully manipulated by Islamists and apologists for Islamists.0.70
00:37:43.000In certain cases, this is a knowing alliance, and in certain cases, just frank manipulation, and people on the left are morally confused.
00:37:50.000I don't think someone like Hassan Piker is confused.
00:37:52.000I think he knows exactly what sort of alliance he has, and I think that's true of Mamdani, too.0.60
00:37:57.000Do you think Mamdani is an Islamist?0.93
00:37:58.000Certainly an apologist for Islamists.0.78
00:37:59.000The fact that he can't quite figure out what's wrong with the phrase globalized intifada and that the worst he'll say of it is that he doesn't use that language.1.00
00:38:08.000Nor does he encourage it, but he's not going to condemn it.
00:38:12.000They were out on October 8th supporting Hamas.0.76
00:38:16.000There's just no way that should be possible.
00:38:18.000And there's no way that anyone who's got that level of callousness and confusion, confusion being charitable, should be running a major American city, right?
00:38:26.000Much less being the poster boy for the future of democratic politics.
00:38:29.000So, I mean, there's something very sinister about the way Islamists have spread their ideology through the West and targeted liberals.0.78
00:38:35.000Well, again, you can see the impact of that last night in Brooklyn.0.86
00:38:40.000So, last night in Brooklyn, there was yet another. anti-Israel anti-Semitic march.
00:38:44.000And you can't call it an anti-Israel march when people are flying Hezbollah flags.
00:38:47.000They're literally flying Hezbollah flags and attacking Jews outside the synagogue.
00:39:04.000Hezbollah, for those who don't understand, is an Iranian-backed terror organization responsible for the murder of hundreds, if not thousands, of actual Americans, not just attacks on Israelis.0.61
00:39:13.000Or the destruction of Lebanon, which they've also done.0.62
00:39:16.000The Christian Lebanese government destroyed in large part by Hezbollah and its allies.0.63
00:39:20.000Again, these are people who are marching in American streets.
00:39:22.000If you don't think this is a foreign op, I don't know what to tell you.
00:39:55.000So these people, according to Zorhan Mamdani, are just exercising their, you know, generic right to protest, you know, outside a Brooklyn synagogue.
00:40:01.000So these protesters showed up right outside a Brooklyn synagogue, a place of worship.
00:40:11.000Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
00:40:15.000Doing full Islamic prayer rituals outside a synagogue.
00:40:19.000Which, again, I feel like if they wanted to pray, then there are many mosques, as it turns out, in New York City.0.67
00:40:24.000The only reason that you go and you pray right outside the synagogue and start yelling at people, with your face covered like a terrorist, by the way.0.97
00:40:28.000I mean, many of these people are covering their faces with kafiyas like you would see in the Middle East.0.98
00:40:33.000And this is the third world brought to the United States pretty clearly.0.85
00:40:37.000This required something like 400 police officers to prevent the assault of Jews who went to a synagogue.0.99
00:40:43.000Here's some of that footage as well.0.79
00:40:56.000So now that Amdani's New York has turned into a hotbed of Islamist activities, we literally have Jews having to be protected by hundreds of police officers for the great crime of being Jewish and being pro Israel in New York.
00:41:09.000And again, when I hear people suggest over and over, well, they're not being attacked for being Jews, they're just being attacked for being pro Israel.0.54
00:41:15.000I'd just like to point out that if you said that black people who are being attacked at a civil rights protest were not being attacked for being black, they're being attacked because they're pro civil rights, that might raise a few questions.
00:41:26.000All of this, again, is part and parcel of a broader attempt by international powers to attack the West.
00:41:33.000There's a report from the U.S. State Department about how the U.N. aided mass migration.
00:41:42.000The report suggests last week the United States refused to participate in the U.N.'s review of the Global Compact on Migration.
00:41:48.000The United States objects to the Global Compact on Migration and U.N. efforts to facilitate replacement migration to the United States and our Western allies.
00:41:57.000That UN agencies, working with the non governmental organizations they fund, established a migration corridor through Central America and to the U.S. border.
00:42:07.000As the American people suffered under an unprecedented wave of mass migration, the U.N. was on the ground pipelining migrants to our southern border.
00:42:13.000UN officials greeted migrants along the route through the deadly Darien Gap.
00:42:17.000UN funded NGOs handed out maps to migrants en route to the United States.
00:42:21.000After facilitating mass migration to the U.S., UN agencies condemned the deportation of illegal immigrants.
00:42:28.000They did the same thing with regard to Europe.
00:42:30.000UN officials staffed all ends of the Mediterranean migration route into Europe.
00:42:34.000Then UN agencies condemned frontline states who refused to open their borders.
00:42:38.000The Global Compact on Migration claims to support safe migration.
00:42:42.000But again, mass migration was a strategy fostered by the UN.0.99
00:42:50.000And when you have the UN Secretary General, the abhorrent Antonio Guterres, calling for global institutions that reflect the world today, understand he is doing the work of the Chinese and the Russians and the Iranians.0.97
00:43:44.000We need deeper reforms of the international financial architecture, greater investment on terms that allow countries to build, grow and transform, and global institutions that reflect the world as it is today, not as it was 80 years ago.
00:44:02.000Again, 80 years ago, he means the dominance of the United States.
00:44:07.000And he is saying that we need to basically Submit.
00:44:10.000The United States must submit our global power to foreign institutions.
00:44:14.000The good news is for the UN and for China and for Russia and for Iran, they have an enormous amount of members of the left in the United States who are willing to do their dirty work for them.0.78
00:44:22.000Not just the left, by the way, in the US, you also have the left in the UK, in France, many other places that are willing to submit to all of this.
00:44:29.000Well, one of the institutions in the United States that is extraordinarily warm toward anti Westernism is, of course, the New York Times.
00:44:35.000Nicholas Kristof has a truly egregiously reported piece today that is making all sorts of waves in which he claims.
00:44:42.000That Israel is performing sexual violence on Palestinian prisoners.
00:44:47.000And it's making huge waves because he makes extraordinary claims.0.98
00:44:51.000He claims that Israel has been training dogs to rape people.
00:44:55.000He provides zero actual evidence of this.0.95
00:44:58.000He claims that Israel is employing, quote unquote, systematic sexual violence.
00:45:04.000Again, the evidence that he provides of this is rooted in the testimony of people who are open advocates for Hamas.
00:45:12.000And then he makes the suggestion that Israel is doing 10 7 sexual violence every single day.
00:45:16.000Here was Nicholas Kristof, truly either a gullible dupe or one of the most terrible people in American journalism.
00:45:22.000Again, the New York Times put this piece in the op ed section.
00:45:25.000Because there's no way it would have cut muster when it came to the actual news section.
00:45:29.000So they had to stack it in the op ed section because of the poor sourcing here, because of the lack of investigative rigor.
00:45:37.000Here is Nicholas Kristoff saying something insane.0.58
00:45:41.000Look, whether you consider yourself pro Israeli or pro Palestinian, here's one thing we should be able to agree on we're anti rape.
00:45:50.000The horrific abuse inflicted on Israeli women on October 7th now happens.0.72
00:45:55.000To Palestinians day after day after day.
00:46:02.000And do you understand what he's doing there?
00:46:03.000He is saying that what happened on October 7th, which was in fact mass rape, and there's another report out today with actual data, which we'll get into in a moment.
00:46:12.000And it is not a coincidence that Christoph dropped this report literally the day before that massive report came out about Hamas's practice of systematic rape on October 7th.
00:46:20.000And then he's saying it's happening every single day.
00:46:22.000The report is essentially sourced directly from advocates for Hamas.
00:46:31.000That he's reporting based on conversations with 14 men and women who had been sexually assaulted by Israeli settlers or members of the security forces.0.81
00:46:39.000And then he says, This is pretty great.0.85
00:46:41.000He says, Some may wonder whether Palestinians fabricated accusations of sexual assaults to defame Israel.0.93
00:46:46.000Yeah, some might wonder that, considering that that is a routine practice in the Middle East where people legitimately make things up, including entire allegations of genocide, mass starvation, manufacture allegations of the shooting of children, all of it.0.83
00:47:08.000Again, I would be shocked if there is no sexual abuse of anyone in Israeli prisons.
00:47:14.000In the same way, I'd be shocked if somebody said there was no sexual abuse of American prisoners in American prisons or in the UK or France.
00:47:23.000It is a staple of literally every prison movie ever that there is sexual abuse in prisons.
00:47:28.000But that is not what Kristoff is alleging.
00:47:31.000That there is systemic sexual abuse in Israeli prisons.
00:47:35.000A freelance journalist, this is how he characterizes him, named Sami Al Sai.
00:47:39.000This would be the same Sami Al Sai who posted on October 8th that, quote, the green flag of Hamas fluttered over the occupiers' camps and tanks and adorned the foreheads of the heroic fighters.
00:48:02.000It is an actual NGO supporting training to develop storytelling journalists in Palestine whose leadership are linked with Hamas.
00:48:10.000As for that bizarre claim that Israel trained rape dogs, Kristoff cites a nut job named Shail Ben Ephraim.
00:48:18.000This person was a teacher at UCLA who had to leave after multiple sexual harassment allegations involving inappropriate conduct toward minors.
00:48:25.000And then he tried to rebrand himself and then just put out that rumor.
00:48:28.000And then the UN picked up on the rumor, printed it, and then it was laundered into Nick Kristoff's columns.
00:48:34.000One Issa Amro, whom Kristoff describes as a nonviolent activist called the Palestinian Gandhi.
00:48:40.000Well, it turns out that in 2014, AMRO suggested Israeli occupation is killing our lives, and he accused Israel of a genocide operation in Gaza, not now, like years before October 7th.
00:48:55.000These are the people that he is quoting as the unbiased sources demonstrating the level of sexual assault.
00:49:02.000Tons of anonymous sources, entirely unverifiable.
00:49:05.000He quotes a bunch of left wing Israeli groups that would basically be the equivalent of BLM in the United States.
00:49:12.000Hey, all of this was designed to obscure an actual gigantic report that came out from the Civil Commission, an Israeli women's rights organization that was not rooted in random people who were unnamed.
00:49:23.000Instead, that report relied on evidence of 10,000 photos, more than 1,800 hours of video, 430 plus interviews and testimonies from survivors, witnesses, and medical staff, and materials from multiple sites of the October 7th attack, including kibbutzim, the Nova Music Festival, shelters, morgues, and hostage locations.
00:49:43.000Much of the evidence in that particular report was rooted in, you know, the dead bodies of the people who were raped or who were shot in the genitals.
00:49:51.000That report, quote, each case cited has been corroborated by witnesses, including first responders who attended the scene.
00:49:59.000The report, comprising some 25 experts and contributors, had worked with a group of researchers who geolocated photos and videos from the scene, pinpointing the location of each victim and cross referencing it with other evidence.
00:50:11.000Many of the victims' bodies were mutilated on October 7th.
00:50:14.000The repeated nature of the violence, including sexual torture, killings following sexual violence, forced nudity, restraint to victims, threats of forced marriage, filming and disseminating imagery of sexual violence, indicates this was an integral part of the attack.
00:50:25.000So it is not a gigantic shock that the New York Times would, hours before that story dropped, put a Nick Kristof op ed based on the thinnest sourcing imaginable out there suggesting mass rape by these.
00:50:40.000Again, always count on the legacy media to do the work of America's enemies.
00:50:47.000That sexual violence takes place in prisons.
00:50:50.000Obviously, it does, but that's not what Nick Kristoff is arguing.
00:50:52.000He's arguing it's October 7th every day in Israeli prisons because he's doing propaganda work on behalf of some of the people who hate the West the absolute most.
00:51:00.000And this is part and parcel of a left in the West that really kind of despises the state of the West.
00:51:07.000Graham Plattner, who is the Senate candidate in Maine, you know, the guy with the Totenkopf tattoo, right?
00:51:14.000You know, like the actual death's head tattoo from the SS.
00:51:17.000And a person who is warm toward neo Nazi podcasts, he says a revolution is necessary in America.
00:51:24.000I do 100% believe that a political revolution is entirely necessary.
00:51:37.000Meanwhile, Senator Raphael Warnock, who again is a senator from Georgia, he says that a moral rot is eating away at the fabric of our country.
00:53:25.000But the reality is that in the freest country in the history of the world, it's time for Americans to grow up, generally speaking.
00:53:30.000Yes, there are huge problems in America.
00:53:33.000Sure, there are systems that are sometimes stacked against you, but we ought to be able to name those systems.
00:53:38.000We ought to be able to correct the problems in front of us.
00:53:41.000The idea that there are insuperable problems buried within the American systems, evil cadres of elites manipulating, that what we need, in the words of Graham Plattner, is a revolution.
00:53:51.000That is the kind of stuff that foreign enemies are loving.
00:53:54.000They love every element of it, they love it.
00:53:59.000And this is why, when you see Democrats, for example, trying to claim that what just happened in Virginia and what is a fairly generic voting rights case is somehow yet another racist attack, it's just nonsense.
00:54:14.000So, we didn't talk at length about this last week, but on Friday, the Virginia Supreme Court, which the way that Virginia judges are selected, they're basically selected by the legislature.
00:54:26.000Those judges, I believe there's seven of them.
00:54:29.000One was selected by an entirely Democratic legislature, three were selected by a Republican legislature, three were selected by a mixed legislature.
00:54:35.000So, there's not like a wildly right wing Virginia Supreme Court.
00:54:38.000They found that the referendum passed in Virginia to redistrict Republicans out of existence in Congress.
00:54:51.000It's very difficult to claim that you're restoring fairness when you write 45% of the voting population out of Congress.
00:54:57.000Second, they said that there's a specific process under the Constitution of Virginia to lawfully adopt a constitutional amendment, and that was violated in the way that this process worked.
00:55:07.000So it was a procedural issue, bottom line.
00:55:09.000Well, Democrats claimed instead that this was yet another attempt by the elites.
00:55:14.000To grind under boot heel the American public.
00:55:17.000Here, for example, was AOC saying that the Virginia Supreme Court was overturning elections.
00:55:37.000And when we talk about the balance of power and a system of checks and balances, It's one thing for a court to check a legislature or an executive, but the end all and be all of power in America should be the people, elections.
00:56:07.000The fact that David Axelrod has to correct AOC on this again, there's this conspiracism that has driven pretty much all politics in the United States for decades at this point.
00:56:17.000The idea that if you don't get what you want, it's because there's a conspiratorial elite willing to overthrow your life and harm you.
00:56:23.000And that is a massive problem for the United States.
00:56:25.000By the way, it extends all the way down to marriage.
00:56:27.000There's a new piece in the trash publication, the New York Times, talking about why we are having so few babies.
00:56:35.000And again, the answer as to why we are having so few babies is actually quite clear.
00:56:44.000This idea that it's rooted in sort of economic turmoil is nonsense.
00:56:48.000There are lots of poor countries all over the world where people have tons of babies.1.00
00:56:52.000The notion that this is rooted in the inability of people to get married is total crap.0.98
00:56:56.000It is easier to get married now in 2026.0.94
00:56:59.000Then pretty much any time in human history, you have more freedoms, you have more rights, you have more abilities, you have more economic capacity.0.98
00:57:06.000The idea that there's some sort of gigantic conspiracy to stop you from getting married is total trash.0.99
00:57:12.000Nonetheless, the New York Times ran a piece called Anna Louise by a woman named Anna Louise Sussman called Inconceivable, the impossibility of family in an age of uncertainty.
00:57:22.000And basically, the case that she makes is the reason that people are not having babies is young people's inescapable and crushing sense that the future is too uncertain for the lifelong commitment of parenthood.
00:57:33.000Called the vibes theory of demographic decline.
00:57:35.000I would just note at this point that we had a lot more certainty about, you know, where things were economically speaking in, say, 2006.
00:57:52.000I mean, again, I hate to break it to you, but if you want to have lots of babies, if you want to get married, you can still do those things.
00:57:58.000You can still do the fact that people who speak common basic virtues, Those are some of the people who are hated the most in the online world, demonstrates, I think, where we're at.
00:58:07.000It is much easier to get rich in the online world, in a world that is not real, by claiming it is impossible for you to get married.
00:58:14.000You're a young dude, you're having trouble getting a date.0.99
00:58:16.000It's because women suck, it's because women are terrible, and it's impossible to find a good woman.1.00
00:58:29.000That feels better for a lot of young men than, hey, you know what you might want to do?1.00
00:58:32.000Get a job, work out, look decent, go to church, find a girl.
00:58:37.000Again, one of those things puts the responsibility on you and says you can do it.
00:58:41.000I find that to be an empowering message.
00:58:42.000A lot of people would prefer the grievance.0.99
00:58:45.000Erica Kirk, who's been raked over the coals for the great sin of being the wife of a man who was shot to death.
00:58:52.000Again, I will never get over the fact that we are now eight months into the period after Charlie's death, and there are still people who are supposedly her allies who will allow the mockery of Erica Kirk and who will continue to uphold the people who are doing that sort of mockery.
01:00:09.000It is not just because of social media.
01:00:12.000And the value of grievance and conspiracism, it is because, in fact, there are people all over the world who are happy to watch America tear itself apart.
01:00:18.000It's a thing that they would like to do.
01:00:21.000Instead, be a good American citizen who considers the actual facts.1.00
01:00:25.000Don't be the moron who looks at the crowd and says, this line is the same as the much longer line just because a crowd's telling me that.0.98
01:00:31.000Instead, why don't you look at the evidence of your eyes and ears as opposed to whatever people are telling you is the most clickable and the most approved opinion?1.00