The Ben Shapiro Show - November 11, 2026


How Conservatives Should Think About AI

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00:00:00.000 Let's take, for example, AI and the tremendous hatred of AI data centers that is now built up in the United States.
00:00:06.000 So this is just an astonishingly hilarious and tragic story.
00:00:11.000 More, more, more hilarious than tragic, but, but still.
00:00:15.000 There is a person named Taylor Frazier McCollum.
00:00:18.000 This is a picture of Taylor Frazier McCollum.
00:00:20.000 Okay.
00:00:22.000 As you can see, she is a somewhat obese black woman who is standing in front of a, an empty parking lot.
00:00:32.000 And she's standing in front of a chain link fence, like a beaten up chain link fence in front of literally an empty parking lot.
00:00:38.000 And she is our hero of the day because what did she do?
00:00:44.000 She stopped a data center from being built on this empty parking lot.
00:00:50.000 Our precious empty parking lots must be protected at all costs.
00:00:52.000 This is not you protecting grandma's farm.
00:00:55.000 This is an empty parking lot, but she's protecting it.
00:01:00.000 So NPR reports, quote, Amazing story.
00:01:03.000 The overgrown grass and weeds seem to stretch into the horizon on nearly 90 acres of empty land in Landover, Maryland.
00:01:08.000 It used to be Landover Mall, but that closed in 2002.
00:01:11.000 The site has been mostly vacant since.
00:01:13.000 In 2024, the developer that built the mall won approval from county planners for a $5 billion data center campus, and word began spreading through the largely black community nearby.
00:01:22.000 Taylor Fraser McCollum said, I was like, oh, hell no.
00:01:27.000 That's a direct quote.
00:01:28.000 She lived less than a mile away from it.
00:01:30.000 A mile away from it.
00:01:32.000 Okay, not like she lived next door, a mile away from it.
00:01:36.000 Why would you want to bring water polluting diesel generating data centers right down the street from where people live, work, and play?
00:01:42.000 It just didn't make sense to me.
00:01:44.000 I'm just going to point out that data centers do not generate diesel.
00:01:47.000 That is not what data centers generate.
00:01:49.000 They generate data.
00:01:52.000 They also don't pollute the water.
00:01:53.000 The question is whether they engage in overwater use, not whether they actually are like spilling sewage into the water.
00:01:59.000 So, according to this dumbass person, the data centers are polluting the water and generating diesel.
00:02:08.000 By the way, if the data centers are generating diesel, maybe we can get them a pumping and we can get those prices of diesel down.
00:02:12.000 This seems like a great solution to a couple of our problems build the data centers and solve our oil problem.
00:02:19.000 But NPR continues.
00:02:20.000 Unlike a lot of land use activists trying to protect their homes from threats in their backyards, Fraser McCollum does not own a home.
00:02:29.000 Sorry, we are a civilization of people who are legitimately cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
00:02:33.000 In 2024, she and her young daughter were evicted from their apartment.
00:02:38.000 She was working at a waxing center that cut wages and she could no longer cover her rent.
00:02:42.000 It was difficult, Fraser McCollum recalled, because I created the ideal life paying for us to live in this apartment and have our own space, and then to have it taken away, it felt like something that wasn't ever going to end.
00:02:51.000 They moved around and were living in her grandfather's home when she learned about the proposed project less than a mile away.
00:02:56.000 She created a petition that gathered over 25,000 signatures, leading to widely attended protests and culminating in multiple local moratoria imposed on data centers throughout the county.
00:03:07.000 It blocked the $5 billion project that was set to break ground between 2026 and 2027.
00:03:11.000 So she had no jobs.
00:03:12.000 She had no home, but she was very concerned about the diesel generating data center on a parking lot that has been empty for 24 years.
00:03:26.000 And then comes the oh no, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions part of the article.
00:03:31.000 Oh no.
00:03:33.000 Look, look, it's the thing that I did coming back to haunt me.
00:03:36.000 Quote With data centers paused, some in Prince George's County worry about declining tax revenue.
00:03:41.000 Last year, a local Six Flags closed.
00:03:43.000 The NFL's Washington commanders announced plans to return to neighboring Washington, D.C. Thousands of federal workers have lost their jobs.
00:03:49.000 The county faces a budget deficit.
00:03:51.000 She's lost out on work to attend public meetings or knock on doors.
00:03:55.000 She's relied on family for rides and childcare.
00:03:57.000 Her father, Lacey McCollum Jr., sees the data center fight as rooted in civil rights.
00:04:01.000 The civil right to be poor?
00:04:03.000 Is that what we are talking about here?
00:04:05.000 Data centers are expensive, unpopular, and could be a tipping point in the midterms.
00:04:08.000 Quote We're talking about the right to water, the right to clean air, the right to a place to live.
00:04:13.000 That's everybody's fight, right? Lacey McCollum said.
00:04:16.000 The right to a place to live?
00:04:18.000 Is she going to live in the empty parking lot?
00:04:21.000 Is that the plan?
00:04:23.000 Does she have a tent there?
00:04:24.000 What are we even talking about?
00:04:26.000 Her dad says, quote, well, I'm afraid for her.
00:04:28.000 We need those people.
00:04:29.000 We needed the Medgar Evanses.
00:04:31.000 We needed the Martin Luther Kings.
00:04:35.000 We needed the Malcolm X's.
00:04:37.000 People like Taylor, they jump out here so people behind them get to make progress.
00:04:40.000 Some urge her to run for office.
00:04:42.000 She says she wants to pay off her debt and traffic tickets and find a home first.
00:04:45.000 That's where we are in our politics.
00:04:48.000 The homeless lady with back parking tickets, she must be our leader.
00:04:52.000 She must be our leader and lead us directly toward economic stagnation.
00:04:56.000 Our precious cracked parking lot must be protected.
00:05:00.000 From those predator corporations coming in with their money and their jobs and their economic development and their tax revenue.
00:05:07.000 This all must end.
00:05:08.000 It must end right now.
00:05:11.000 The time has come for a nation of Taylor Fraser McCollum's to rise up.
00:05:15.000 So it, as it turns out, as it turns out, Taylor Fraser McCollum is not the most grassroots human because you might ask yourself, how did this person, you know, find 25,000 people to support the banning of a data center on an empty parking lot?
00:05:15.000 Okay.
00:05:32.000 And the answer is, you'll never believe it, according to the Washington Free Beacon.
00:05:37.000 Taylor Fraser McCollum had extensive support from a China linked group, the Party for Socialism and Liberation.
00:05:43.000 The Marxist Leninist group is tied to notorious Beijing based tech mogul Neville Roy Singham, who's been accused of bankrolling an extensive Chinese propaganda network, the PSL, which is based in San Francisco, is funded by and shares staff with Singham's $100 million pro China Marxist network of activist groups.
00:06:00.000 Now, originally, McCollum started the public petition in June 2025.
00:06:04.000 Three months later, the PSL's DC chapter, which calls for the socialist transformation of society, posted a video of McCollum explaining the petition and accusing the developers of the proposed land over data center of environmental racism.
00:06:16.000 Yes, environmental racism.
00:06:18.000 That building hates black people or something.
00:06:21.000 That video garnered hundreds of thousands of views and caused the number of signatures on McCollum's petition to explode from 180 to more than 20,000.
00:06:31.000 Last week, McCollum delivered remarks at the People Over Data Center Summit in Baltimore.
00:06:35.000 By the way, again.
00:06:37.000 Is she any less homeless than she was before?
00:06:39.000 Nope.
00:06:40.000 Does she still have some back parking tickets?
00:06:41.000 Sure.
00:06:42.000 But the important thing is that she hung out with Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland.
00:06:48.000 She spoke during a panel discussion titled Grassroots Heroes, How Four Activists Achieve Success Against Big Tech on Data Centers.
00:06:57.000 Wonderful, wonderful stuff.
00:06:58.000 And understand, understand, this has never been about protection of the environment.
00:07:01.000 It has never even been really about objection to AI.
00:07:06.000 What this is really about for the vast majority of the activist class anyway, not only the vast majority of Americans who've Bought into some of this stuff.
00:07:12.000 But the activist class in particular is just hatred of free markets.
00:07:16.000 Hatred of free markets.
00:07:18.000 Which is why it is a sin for Jensen Huang to have shipped a Chinese spy.
00:07:22.000 Because as we discussed yesterday on the show, when you provide fodder to your political enemies, they are going to use it on you.
00:07:30.000 Now, Charlemagne the God had some comments about Jensen.
00:07:33.000 As he points out, being smart doesn't make you immune to stupid.
00:07:35.000 This is true.
00:07:38.000 This man is helping shape the future of AI, but.
00:07:41.000 He has allowed one of the oldest human weaknesses to create problems for him, and that weakness is horniness.
00:07:48.000 Okay, and that's why that Warren Buffett quote is so powerful liquor, ladies, and leverage.
00:07:54.000 Liquor represents the things that impair your judgment, right?
00:07:58.000 So it could be liquor, drugs, whatever.
00:08:00.000 Okay.
00:08:01.000 Ladies in that old school saying represent the temptations you allow to distract you.
00:08:06.000 And leverage represents the risk you take because you think you're too successful to lose.
00:08:12.000 Okay.
00:08:13.000 And none of those things care about how intelligent you are.
00:08:16.000 You can have a PhD and still make terrible decisions.
00:08:19.000 Okay.
00:08:19.000 You could have a billion dollars and still make horrible decisions.
00:08:22.000 You can be the smartest person in every room you walk. Into and still make a decision that has everybody in that room questioning your common sense.
00:08:31.000 Being smart doesn't make you immune to being stupid.
00:08:36.000 Now, again, all of that is true, but the real point is that for AOC and the rising socialist class, the goal is to just destroy free markets, right?
00:08:44.000 Her problem with Jensen is not what Jensen did.
00:08:47.000 Her problem is that Jensen exists as a human.
00:08:52.000 Well, I mean, here's the thing is that when power in our economy and when wealth has concentrated, So much that five guys in tuxedos control half of our economy.
00:09:07.000 All you need to do is compromise one of them.
00:09:10.000 We want to suffocate our entire economy.
00:09:19.000 Again, the goal here is to use a convenient brickbat to break things.
00:09:23.000 That is the entire point.
00:09:24.000 Now, it doesn't help if the Trump administration knew what was going on with Jensen Huang and basically decided to shuffle it off to the side.
00:09:32.000 The New York Times is reporting.
00:09:33.000 That President Trump was told aboard Air Force One in May en route to China that the United States had obtained sensitive intelligence showing that NVIDIA's chief executive was in a relationship with a Chinese spy.
00:09:43.000 The message was apparently delivered by the Secretary of State and National Security Advisor shortly before Jensen Huang joined the presidential trip to Beijing at Trump's invitation.
00:09:51.000 It marked at least the second time in seven months the president had been told of intelligence about Huang's involvement with the woman.
00:09:57.000 Again, this is why, again, the sort of coziness between industry and government is always dangerous and why what Jensen Huang did here is so damaging.
00:10:06.000 It really is.
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00:11:09.000 Well, speaking of AI and tech, we're joined on the line by Janet Kelly.
00:11:12.000 She's CEO of the Alliance for a Better Future, a conservative group working toward AI that strengthens families, empowers workers, and reflects great American values.
00:11:20.000 She, of course, is the former Secretary of Health and Human Resources for Governor Glenn Youngkin over in Virginia.
00:11:25.000 Janet, thanks so much for taking the time.
00:11:26.000 Hope you're doing well.
00:11:28.000 Thank you.
00:11:28.000 I'm doing great.
00:11:29.000 Thanks for having me.
00:11:31.000 So let's talk about kind of where AI stands.
00:11:34.000 Obviously, AI was a major issue in the midterm elections.
00:11:37.000 The American people seem to have a very deep, About artificial intelligence.
00:11:43.000 And I think, as I've said before, some of those concerns are justified.
00:11:46.000 Obviously, when it comes to regulatory structures, it's kind of hard to tell from the outset which things are going to be the most threatening.
00:11:52.000 I think one of the things you're focused on are regulations that prevent harms to children and families in particular.
00:11:58.000 But there seems to be a tendency now that's breaking out, and I want to get your opinion on this, that we ought to just kill the golden goose.
00:12:03.000 And there's a story that I was talking about a few moments ago in which there was a woman who shut down the building of a data center on an empty parking lot.
00:12:11.000 And this was considered a great triumph by NPR.
00:12:14.000 I mean, she literally, it's a parking lot that's been empty for 24 years.
00:12:18.000 And she was considered some sort of great heroine for doing all this.
00:12:21.000 This sort of anti AI that's set in is an economy killer, even if you want responsible regulation.
00:12:27.000 Sure.
00:12:28.000 Well, we are both pro innovation and pro American, pro family, of course.
00:12:32.000 And there's what we're hearing from voters both in this election and even before the election, Ben, was that they want a good balance of innovation and security.
00:12:43.000 They believe in AI.
00:12:45.000 A lot of Americans use AI, they already see how it benefits them.
00:12:49.000 But 91% of Americans think that we need to do more to make it safer.
00:12:54.000 And we saw that coming up in the election.
00:12:56.000 It was tied to things like the Iran war, believe it or not, those news stories about Iran.
00:13:01.000 Using AI to hack into our water systems are breaking through with the American public.
00:13:06.000 The gas tank phenomenon really hit this year, as you know, where voters would go to the gas tank and feel that economic angst.
00:13:12.000 The same thing's going to happen leading into 2028 when they hear about cyber attacks, when they hear about other job losses that may not even be related to AI.
00:13:22.000 But I agree with you on the power of this tech, Ben.
00:13:25.000 I think that AI can be the most life saving, life changing, life extending technology in the history of the world if it's steered in the right direction.
00:13:33.000 And what voters are saying is, Please show us that you're steering it in the right direction between now and 2028.
00:13:40.000 So, Jenna, when we talk about steering it in the right direction, you know, I, as a pretty free market guy, I tend to trust the market with a lot of things.
00:13:46.000 Obviously, you know, the way that a lot of the AI tech leaders talk about AI, that it's going to kill all of us.
00:13:52.000 Dario Modi seems to keep saying this, which is always a very weird pitch when you have the heads of tech companies saying, we need to IPO and we need to grow as fast as possible so that we can kill all of you.
00:14:00.000 That is definitely a weird pitch, I would say, to the public, although Dario is kind of a strange guy.
00:14:05.000 I think that the question that arises is, how.
00:14:08.000 Are we supposed to regulate this sort of stuff?
00:14:10.000 Because one thing that you've seen is an attempt to sort of shut down the mechanisms of production and distribution, right?
00:14:14.000 That'd be going after AI data centers, for example, which has now become sort of a popular sport.
00:14:18.000 The other way is to sort of try to regulate the potential impacts of AI, things that AI should not be able to do, for example.
00:14:26.000 How should we go about regulating AI, especially given the fact that most of our Congress people can't use a TI 82 calculator, let alone AI?
00:14:34.000 Right.
00:14:34.000 That's exactly right.
00:14:36.000 Well, I will refer you to our website and your listeners to our website.
00:14:39.000 We did a seven page memo.
00:14:40.000 I'm going to reference.
00:14:41.000 That's on our site.
00:14:42.000 Obviously, I can't touch on all of that today, but those exact questions, Ben, are what the Republican Party and conservatives are going to be grappling with between now and 2028.
00:14:53.000 And as you know better than anyone, the election actually started the day after the election.
00:14:57.000 We cannot wait until 2028 to have these conversations.
00:14:59.000 We need to start now.
00:15:00.000 And I just want to say thank you for talking more about AI on your show.
00:15:04.000 You are a huge voice and a huge leader in this.
00:15:07.000 A lot of your audience, I don't know if you saw Axios this morning, a lot of your audience is young men.
00:15:14.000 And they listed AI in exit polls as one of their top issues.
00:15:18.000 And so we have to get this right, is the bottom line.
00:15:20.000 You're right.
00:15:21.000 On kids, there are things that we can do.
00:15:23.000 93% of Americans don't believe chatbots should be talking to kids about sex or suicide.
00:15:28.000 That would be a really easy thing for Congress to do.
00:15:32.000 And I'm not sure how familiar you are with the chatbot phenomenon.
00:15:35.000 I won't go into it today, but it is nothing to play around with if you've got kids.
00:15:39.000 93%, that's an easy issue.
00:15:40.000 On national security, the president created the SI task force back in September.
00:15:45.000 They're doing amazing work.
00:15:47.000 He put a national security head in as chair, which was a very good signal that we're taking this seriously.
00:15:53.000 Just starting with making those accords more permanent, making sure, really, at the end of the day, that humans maintain control over this technology and it is not controlling us.
00:16:02.000 Ben, you're a smart guy.
00:16:03.000 I don't have to tell you it doesn't take a lot of imagination to think about what might happen.
00:16:08.000 As powerful as this technology is, if it's steered in the right direction, it can be equally destructive if steered in the wrong direction.
00:16:14.000 This is not fear mongering.
00:16:15.000 I love AI, I use it every day.
00:16:18.000 But we've got to make sure that it's steered in the right direction and that humans maintain control over the technology.
00:16:25.000 Yeah.
00:16:25.000 So, Janet, when we talk about, again, some of the other restrictions that you're trying to, some of these are obviously common sense.
00:16:29.000 As you say, they have wide purchase with the American public.
00:16:32.000 One of the things that is sort of undergirding opposition to AI is this feeling that the, again, the tech bros keep promoting, which is insane.
00:16:32.000 I think so.
00:16:39.000 They keep promoting the idea that basically all jobs are going to be eviscerated and we're all going to be living on universal welfare.
00:16:44.000 Also, make sure that you invest in AI, which I don't even know how they expect that to be a winning PR strategy.
00:16:50.000 It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
00:16:52.000 It also happens not to be true because again, the history of economics suggests that every new tool that is created creates with it a bevy of new jobs.
00:16:59.000 Yes, the wheelwright loses his job when it turns out that cars are more effective than horses, but that doesn't mean that there aren't a bunch of new jobs that are created.
00:17:06.000 And indeed, it turns out that the, a huge number of new jobs that have been created over the course of the past couple of years have been in things like building out AI infrastructure or actually secondary markets that are created by the supply to those AI data centers or people like you or like me who are using it to make their business more effective.
00:17:23.000 Easier and cheaper for people to actually consume.
00:17:26.000 And so I think that one of the things that populists are going to do, and this is what I think frightens me, is one of the things populists are going to do, is they're going to point out the sort of Joseph Schumpeter creative destruction that is attendant on every new technology.
00:17:38.000 Joseph Schumpeter, the economist, suggested that capitalism is a process of creative destruction.
00:17:42.000 That whenever you create a new product, you're obviously superseding a bunch of older products that are not as good.
00:17:47.000 And the jobs in that product line tend to disappear and are replaced over time, not immediately, but over time with jobs in the new line.
00:17:56.000 The creative destruction aspect of AI is so scary to people that I think that there is a tendency to basically say we should shut down AI as it stands because otherwise it's going to eliminate my job, the jobs of my friends.
00:18:06.000 How worried should people be?
00:18:08.000 How worried are you?
00:18:09.000 And what is justified in this arena?
00:18:14.000 Well, listen, a lot of this, as you say, is PR, is the frontier CEOs who are very good technologists and very terrible marketers.
00:18:22.000 I mean, no one is buying what they're selling based on what they're telling the American people.
00:18:27.000 We were going to take your job, your kids aren't going to be able to find jobs.
00:18:30.000 And even if those jobs were available, they're already addicted and attached to our products because of the last 15 years of social media and now AI on top of it.
00:18:38.000 And also the world might end.
00:18:39.000 It's exact.
00:18:40.000 That's their messaging.
00:18:41.000 No wonder we're in this situation, right?
00:18:44.000 American voters are smart when it comes to not buying that message.
00:18:48.000 It's not just PR, though.
00:18:49.000 And to your point, I think that there are things that the tech industries could do to build trust with the American people on the economic front.
00:18:58.000 Let me tell you, and I completely agree with you, I am so bullish on AI.
00:19:03.000 When it comes to the economy, I think a lot of that is fear mongering, meaning it is hard to imagine when you are afraid, we're human beings, when you are afraid, you're not creative, right?
00:19:14.000 It's hard to imagine how it could make you feel better when 42% of Americans are afraid that they're going to lose their job, right?
00:19:21.000 But let me tell you about a couple, and this is the data shows this out too the small business guy that's expanding his business because of AI.
00:19:30.000 I met an 86, 85 year old woman at the beach the other day, a friend of my mom's, she's getting certified in AI.
00:19:35.000 I'm like, Why?
00:19:36.000 She was like, Well, I like to do a lot of research.
00:19:38.000 It's not necessarily for my job, but I want to keep in touch with my grandkids.
00:19:41.000 Another one of my daughter's friends.
00:19:44.000 I said, How's your job going?
00:19:46.000 He's like, it's great.
00:19:47.000 They think I'm brilliant because I know how to build dashboards with my agent.
00:19:52.000 I'm like, tell me more.
00:19:53.000 And I said, are you worried about losing your job?
00:19:54.000 He said, no, I can see three other ways that I can hire people my age because they know AI and no one else in my business does.
00:20:02.000 So that's the kind of thing that you're saying.
00:20:04.000 I think it can actually grow the pie.
00:20:07.000 But unfortunately, Ben, and this is where I'll get back to politics in a minute, I mean, for a minute, is that the American voter, Does not trust.
00:20:17.000 We lost so much ground as a party on this election, unfortunately.
00:20:20.000 The Democrats saw this as a winning issue, and now Republicans are going into the 2028 cycle in a trust deficit.
00:20:27.000 9% more voters trust Democrats on AI than they trust Republicans.
00:20:31.000 This is something all of the regulatory questions that you're asking are the right ones to ask.
00:20:36.000 We're not going to solve that today.
00:20:38.000 But everything you're asking, we've got to grapple with as a party over the next few weeks and months, not years, 2028 is now, in order to win the trust of those voters back.
00:20:50.000 So, what would you say to?
00:20:52.000 We mentioned earlier this story about this woman who is photographed in front of an empty parking lot fighting the data centers because she said they would literally generate diesel.
00:20:59.000 That was what she said, that they were going to pollute the water, generate the diesel.
00:21:02.000 Again, the propaganda efforts that have been conducted here are pretty extraordinary.
00:21:05.000 What would you say to somebody who sort of bought into that stuff?
00:21:09.000 Well, listen, I'm not going to shame anyone, right?
00:21:11.000 However, I would say she's pre informed.
00:21:14.000 If she could envision, have a positivity bias and envision The hope behind what that represents instead of the fear.
00:21:24.000 If the American people, which again, we are not winning the political and messaging war on AI right now as a party.
00:21:31.000 If that woman, when she saw that data center, she thought of AI and she thought about the small business guy expanding his business, if she thought about the medical breakthroughs, whether it's ALS or cancer or early diagnosis that are going to save her life or change her life or extend her life, the friend who got their hearing back, the other friend who got his sight back, it is truly a miraculous technology.
00:21:52.000 Again, the most powerful technology in the history of the world that is going to shape the next 250 years of our country.
00:21:58.000 Right now, instead of that hope, that woman, unfortunately, is seeing fear.
00:22:02.000 And we've got to do a better job, both as an industry, the tech industry has to do a better job at messaging and in actually making their products safer.
00:22:11.000 These cyber hack, again, these cyber hack articles are not in the headlines are not helping right now.
00:22:17.000 And instead of instilling that fear, we've got to lead with a message of hope on AI.
00:22:22.000 The Democrats, by the way, Ben, Picked up on this.
00:22:25.000 They know it's a winning issue.
00:22:27.000 They outspent us nine to one.
00:22:29.000 And Republicans really just did not have a message.
00:22:31.000 And so, really, my message for your listeners or anyone who might be listening to you who is a politico or a recovering political hack like I am is do not sleep on AI.
00:22:40.000 It was the sleeper issue of 2026.
00:22:43.000 It is going to be the main issue or a main issue in 2028.
00:22:47.000 And 2028 starts today.
00:22:50.000 That's Janet Kelly.
00:22:51.000 She's CEO of the Alliance for a Better Future.
00:22:53.000 You can go check out the group.
00:22:54.000 They're doing really fascinating work.
00:22:55.000 Janet, thanks so much for the time.
00:22:56.000 Really appreciate it.
00:22:58.000 Thank you.
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