The Ben Shapiro Show - How Trump Can DESTROY Kamala In Debate

00:00:00.000 Well, folks, more state polling is out, and it shows, once again, that the race is unbelievably close, which means the debate next week is going to be pretty much everything.

00:00:09.000 If Donald Trump shows up and mops the floor with Kamala Harris, or if Kamala Harris shows up and shockingly outperforms, that could be the deciding factor in this election. 1.00

00:00:18.000 We'll get to what Trump needs to do and what he needs to avoid in the debate momentarily.

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00:00:36.000 Okay, so the new polling is in.

00:00:37.000 According to the brand new YouGov poll that is out this week, it shows Kamala Harris and Donald Trump deadlocked in Pennsylvania.

00:00:45.000 She's up by one, 46-45, but that's within the margin of error.

00:00:48.000 Nevada, it shows her up by three, 49-46.

00:00:50.000 That is a three-point swing, obviously, but that's also within the margin of error.

00:00:54.000 The same thing is true in Wisconsin, where she has a three-point lead. 0.99

00:00:57.000 In Michigan, she has a more durable five-point lead, according to that brand-new YouGov poll.

00:01:02.000 But the bottom line remains.

00:01:04.000 Consistently.

00:01:05.000 All of these states are effectively tied.

00:01:08.000 All of the major battleground states right now are effectively tied, which is why Nate Silver continues to suggest in his modeling that Donald Trump is actually in the lead.

00:01:16.000 Because the polls tend to undersample Trump supporters at least a little bit, because he has a lot of low-propensity voters who show up just for Donald Trump, makes the electorate really, really hard to model.

00:01:26.000 Plus, there are a bunch of systemic factors that don't cut exactly in Kamala Harris' favor. 0.96

00:01:31.000 The more people see of Kamala Harris, the less they like her. 0.96

00:01:34.000 At least in unscripted settings, which is why she has only done scripted settings for this entire election cycle.

00:01:40.000 Kamala Harris, for her part, she's going to spend pretty much the next five, six days actually just prepping for the debate, according to the Washington Post. 1.00

00:01:48.000 While Donald Trump is out campaigning, Harris is headed to Pittsburgh, where aides say she'll spend several days preparing for Tuesday's presidential debate with Donald Trump.

00:01:56.000 Now, honestly, that's kind of amazing.

00:01:58.000 Why does she require many days to prep for a debate with Donald Trump? 1.00

00:02:01.000 It's not as though Donald Trump is new to the political scene.

00:02:04.000 What are her lines of attack going to be?

00:02:06.000 The answer here is that she's going to have to memorize a lot because she doesn't have the ability to stick and move. 0.99

00:02:10.000 She has no capacity to actually adjust on her feet to the things happening around her.

00:02:16.000 And so she's going to have to memorize a lot.

00:02:18.000 And they're probably planning for that.

00:02:20.000 That is why, despite all the protestations about how they're mad that the microphones will be closed because they were hoping for some sort of Donald Trump silly statement in the middle of one of her statements so she can claim she's being interrupted and victimized and all of the rest.

00:02:35.000 You can see a world where it actually benefits her, that Donald Trump can't actually interject anything because, you know, if she's got a bunch of questions memorized, then she can sort of spit them out the way that you would in rote fashion on a 7th grade social studies exam.

00:02:48.000 In any case, let's get into what Donald Trump has to do in the debate.

00:02:53.000 So again, this debate is pretty much everything.

00:02:54.000 Because here's the thing, Donald Trump's numbers right now, pretty much stagnant.

00:02:58.000 They're not really going anywhere.

00:02:59.000 But Kamala Harris's numbers have been all over the place, historically speaking.

00:03:03.000 If you go back to before she was the candidate, she was losing to Trump pretty significantly in the polls.

00:03:08.000 Then they swapped out The dead president for an alive vice president and suddenly she had new levels of enthusiasm that all came right back into play.

00:03:18.000 So much enthusiasm for Kamala Harris.

00:03:21.000 That was the story.

00:03:22.000 And with that came a certain level of support.

00:03:24.000 The joy and the vibes however seemed to be waning because the polls really have not moved since.

00:03:30.000 The polls have been really stagnant for several weeks now.

00:03:32.000 The DNC did not move them.

00:03:34.000 Not only that, Donald Trump, J.D.

00:03:37.000 Vance, they've been out doing interviews like pretty much every day.

00:03:39.000 Frank Luntz makes the point that Donald Trump and J.D.

00:03:44.000 Vance have done legitimately dozens of interviews in the same time frame that Harris Walz has done one.

00:03:52.000 The Trump-Vance ticket, according to Luntz, has done a combined 38 interviews since August 6th.

00:03:57.000 Harris Wallace has done one and it was 16 minutes of her talking.

00:04:00.000 Lund says this could end up being like Trump holding 106 campaign rallies while Hillary Clinton held 71 in the final 70 days of the 2016 race.

00:04:10.000 He says the campaign rally trend from 2016 is resembling the current media interview trend in 2024.

00:04:17.000 She continues to avoid all adversarial situations because she is really bad at this.

00:04:21.000 Which means, again, Trump has to seize on the situation.

00:04:24.000 There probably is only one debate.

00:04:26.000 I know there's been talk about a second debate.

00:04:28.000 I don't think so.

00:04:29.000 If Kamala Harris outperforms, she just won't give it to Trump. 0.89

00:04:32.000 She'll say no, and then she'll hope to coast all the way into the White House on the basis of that one debate. 0.99

00:04:36.000 And if Trump clocks her, I'm not sure why he would give her a second debate.

00:04:40.000 If he clocks her, and if she's really starting to drop in the polls, then he'll just let that sit.

00:04:44.000 He'll say, I did two presidential debates, two for two, knocked out two cans, and it's done.

00:04:48.000 Folks, when Kamala Harris says there's going to be a second debate, I think she is fibbing. 1.00

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00:06:00.000 So I think this will be the one and only debate, all the talk about a future debate, a possible future,

00:06:04.000 I think that's all nonsense.

00:06:06.000 I'd be shocked if there is a second debate.

00:06:08.000 So what does Trump actually have to do?

00:06:10.000 Well, he has to pursue nine themes, and then there are three things he can't do.

00:06:14.000 He doesn't have to hit all nine, but these are the themes he should pursue.

00:06:17.000 So, theme number one, and this stems directly from her tendency to hide from everything. 0.68

00:06:23.000 Her tendency to hide from legitimately all possibility of adversarial questions.

00:06:28.000 Theme number one is that she is hiding and he's now going to hold her accountable.

00:06:31.000 So right at the very outset, as soon as he gets control of the mic, Trump should start by thanking her for showing up.

00:06:37.000 You should say, I'm so glad that you showed up because frankly, no one's been able to ask you a question.

00:06:42.000 No one's been asking you.

00:06:43.000 You've been running away from every question.

00:06:45.000 You pretended that you had earphones in your ear to avoid questions from the media.

00:06:48.000 In one interview, you don't want to answer questions because you don't understand your own policies.

00:06:52.000 You don't agree with your own policies.

00:06:53.000 You've changed your policies over and over.

00:06:55.000 Don't worry, I won't do the annoying Trump impersonation this whole time.

00:06:59.000 But that is what he should say.

00:07:01.000 He should say thank you for showing up because it's finally, it's great to be able to see someone ask you a question.

00:07:08.000 I know you're trying to run on vibes, but it turns out that being president of the United States should be about a little bit more than vibes.

00:07:15.000 Theme number two is that she is the incumbent and she owns this. 0.97

00:07:19.000 So Kamala Harris during this debate is going to make a lot of promises.

00:07:22.000 She's going to talk about how she's going to lower inflation.

00:07:24.000 She's going to fight for the middle class. 1.00

00:07:26.000 She's going to shut down that border. 1.00

00:07:28.000 And what he should say over and over is, so why didn't you do it?

00:07:33.000 Every time they flash back to him, he should say, yeah.

00:07:35.000 Kamala, I hear you're making a lot of promises.

00:07:38.000 I noticed that you're the Vice President of the United States today.

00:07:41.000 I am not the incumbent.

00:07:43.000 You are the incumbent.

00:07:44.000 You own the inflation.

00:07:46.000 You own the Afghanistan decision that left 19 million women in abject slavery, locking them in the basement, getting tens of thousands of our allies killed.

00:07:58.000 Presumably.

00:07:59.000 Leaving billions of dollars in military equipment over there and getting 13 American service people killed.

00:08:04.000 You are the last person in the room on that one.

00:08:06.000 You're the incumbent.

00:08:07.000 You own it.

00:08:08.000 So when you say you're going to change things, why should we trust you? 0.99

00:08:10.000 We know what a Kamala Harris administration looks like because we're in the middle of one and it sucks.

00:08:17.000 If she says, I'm going to do X, you should immediately say, so why didn't you do it?

00:08:21.000 So again, theme one, So glad you could show up to actually answer hard questions.

00:08:25.000 We'll see if you do.

00:08:26.000 And theme two is, you're the incumbent and you own it, so now it's time for you to answer for it.

00:08:30.000 Theme three, she is wildly dishonest. 1.00

00:08:33.000 It's not just that she's vague, we'll get to that in a minute. 0.58

00:08:35.000 It's that she is totally and completely dishonest. 0.86

00:08:39.000 And here he should hammer her on Joe Biden's health.

00:08:42.000 It turns out that 80% of Americans believe that we were lied to about Joe Biden's health, and that people who continue to maintain that Joe Biden is totally with it, well, solid, that 80% of Americans believe those people are lying to them.

00:08:55.000 He should hammer her on this.

00:08:57.000 Ridiculous interview with Dana Bash over on CNN. 0.56

00:09:00.000 She literally said that Joe Biden is with it. 0.76

00:09:04.000 He's strong.

00:09:05.000 He's virile.

00:09:06.000 He's really, he's a, he's a man in full.

00:09:09.000 And so Donald Trump should say, you know, you keep saying that, that he's healthy and that he's with it.

00:09:14.000 That raises a couple of questions.

00:09:15.000 One, why are you lying?

00:09:16.000 Everybody knows.

00:09:17.000 Everybody knows that you are lying and that that's not true.

00:09:20.000 But that also raises another question, which is why are you here?

00:09:25.000 Why are you here?

00:09:26.000 If he's so with it, if he's so well, if you weren't lying before that he could serve a second term, why are you here?

00:09:34.000 What gives you the ability to be the nominee, swapping out your old nominee?

00:09:38.000 You say that he's totally well.

00:09:39.000 So are you lying?

00:09:40.000 Like, what's the story?

00:09:42.000 Is he well?

00:09:43.000 Is he with it?

00:09:43.000 Or is he senile?

00:09:45.000 And are you lying to the American people? 0.99

00:09:48.000 The question of honesty is a really big one for Kamala Harris because she is, in fact, a liar. 1.00

00:09:52.000 She lies an awful lot.

00:09:54.000 He should point out that she is doing ads in which she walks next to his border wall and pretends that she's hard on border security because she's lying. 0.89

00:10:04.000 She can't even keep her accent straight. 1.00

00:10:06.000 When she's in Detroit, she starts dropping into a southern accent.

00:10:10.000 And the minute she's in Pittsburgh, she suddenly sounds like she's a business school student at Hofstra.

00:10:15.000 It's amazing.

00:10:17.000 So that's theme three, she is dishonest. 1.00

00:10:18.000 Theme four, totally incoherent.

00:10:21.000 So at some point during this debate, you know she's gonna drop a word salad. 1.00

00:10:23.000 She's gonna start waving the arms around, making the weird hand motions. 0.98

00:10:28.000 You know, the importance of the environment is that the environment, which houses us all on this planet, we like to call the Earth, so important.

00:10:43.000 And when she finishes her answer, he should say the exact same thing to her that he said to Joe Biden.

00:10:49.000 He should say, frankly, I don't know what she said, and I don't think she does either.

00:10:55.000 That was nonsensical.

00:10:57.000 I said that about her predecessor in this race, Joe Biden, because he legitimately didn't know what he was saying at any given time because of his mental problems, of his sad decline.

00:11:08.000 But you, you don't know what you're talking about because you legitimately don't know what you're talking about.

00:11:12.000 You can't hold firm on a single policy.

00:11:14.000 You can't explicate any of your policy positions without randomly exploring the wilds of empty, vague rhetoric.

00:11:25.000 You can spit out bumper stickers and mix that in with nonsense.

00:11:27.000 It doesn't make it a coherent policy. 0.97

00:11:29.000 And you are incoherent.

00:11:31.000 It's incoherent.

00:11:32.000 The American people deserve a president who actually, you know, knows his own policies.

00:11:38.000 Theme number five, she's radical. 1.00

00:11:41.000 And now this is perfectly obvious.

00:11:42.000 Kamala Harris is the most radical presidential candidate in modern American history.

00:11:48.000 Which is to say, all of American history.

00:11:50.000 Because, you know, if you're a radical candidate, then your radicalism has likely flowered in the United States in the last half century or so.

00:11:58.000 She is easily the most radical candidate in American history. 0.90

00:12:02.000 He should say, you told the truth about your positions in 2019-2020 when you ran for president that time.

00:12:06.000 You told the truth about them.

00:12:08.000 You say now that you don't believe any of the things you believed in 2019-2020, so I want to know why you switched.

00:12:13.000 What did you learn?

00:12:14.000 Were you super wrong?

00:12:15.000 Then you say that you have the same exact values that you held in 2019-2020.

00:12:18.000 So why are you switching all of your actual policies?

00:12:22.000 Could it be that you're not switching your policies and you are lying and you are just as radical as you ever were?

00:12:26.000 And now you're lying to get past Pennsylvania, for example.

00:12:29.000 You wanted to ban fracking in 2019-2020.

00:12:32.000 That is radical.

00:12:34.000 And now you say you don't want to ban fracking.

00:12:36.000 Based on what?

00:12:37.000 Based on what?

00:12:39.000 Is fracking now safe and wonderful, according to you?

00:12:41.000 I don't believe you.

00:12:43.000 You said in 2019-2020 that by 2035, you actually co-sponsored a bill saying that by 2035 there should not be gas-powered engines in the United States sold on the market.

00:12:55.000 Now you say that you don't want an electric vehicle mandate.

00:12:58.000 But you were also asked just last week by Axios whether you would veto such a bill and you had no answer.

00:13:03.000 So I think you're lying.

00:13:05.000 Do you want to decriminalize border crossings?

00:13:06.000 Back in 2019-2020, you said that you did want to decriminalize border crossings.

00:13:11.000 When you were Attorney General of the State of California, you sued to try to prevent the federal government from cracking down on sanctuary cities.

00:13:20.000 So, where are you on that?

00:13:22.000 Should we decriminalize border crossings?

00:13:23.000 Now you say you're tough on the border.

00:13:25.000 And if you say that you've shifted, I want to know why.

00:13:29.000 You said that you wanted to propose a tax on unrealized capital gains.

00:13:32.000 Even your gigantic billionaire supporter, Mark Cuban, says that will destroy the stock market.

00:13:38.000 So, what's the story?

00:13:40.000 Kamala Harris, she is indeed a radical.

00:13:44.000 And I gotta tell you, it is tiring covering all of her lives, which is why I have to stay healthy.

00:13:48.000 I mean, look, I'm on the road right now.

00:13:49.000 And I was literally campaigning this week for Senate candidates in Nevada.

00:13:53.000 I got a lot going on.

00:13:54.000 So, I'm trying to stay healthy.

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00:14:49.000 You were pro race reparations in the United States in 2019-2020. 0.66

00:14:53.000 Did something magically change?

00:14:56.000 Did something change or are you just that radical?

00:14:59.000 You're pro-abortion until birth.

00:15:00.000 You're pro-kidnapping the children. 0.91

00:15:02.000 The most radical candidate in American history.

00:15:04.000 Hey, theme six. 0.71

00:15:06.000 She is absolutely weak.

00:15:08.000 Super duper weak.

00:15:10.000 So, you want to pretend that you are hardcore on the border.

00:15:12.000 You are not.

00:15:12.000 You have presided over the single greatest invasion via the southern border in the history of our nation in terms of illegal immigration.

00:15:19.000 Bar none, not close.

00:15:21.000 You say that, you know, when you were AG in California, you cracked down hard on crime.

00:15:25.000 Really, did you?

00:15:26.000 Because there was actually a massive crime lab at failure that led to the release of 1,000 criminals onto the streets because you were so soft on crime.

00:15:33.000 You were a San Francisco prosecutor, and now you want to be a San Francisco president.

00:15:38.000 You say you're going to be tough on terrorism.

00:15:40.000 You're going to have a lethal military.

00:15:42.000 You haven't even unleashed that lethal military on the Houthis, a ragtag bunch of bandits who have held up all shipping in the Red Sea.

00:15:49.000 What is it you would say you do around here if you're so tough?

00:15:52.000 If you're so, if you're so rough on the world stage, people actually fear you.

00:15:56.000 Why does no one fear you?

00:15:58.000 Why are all of our enemies on the move?

00:16:00.000 Russia invaded Ukraine while you were vice president.

00:16:03.000 Iran has activated, from seven different fronts, attacks on Israel while you're the vice president.

00:16:09.000 China is casting its eyes at Taiwan while you are vice president.

00:16:12.000 They don't think you're tough.

00:16:14.000 Xi doesn't think you're tough.

00:16:15.000 Putin doesn't think you're tough.

00:16:16.000 The Iranians don't think you're tough. 1.00

00:16:17.000 They think you're a mark.

00:16:20.000 Theme number seven. 0.98

00:16:21.000 You are a terrible manager.

00:16:23.000 You want to manage the economy of the United States. 0.51

00:16:25.000 You've never run a popsicle stand.

00:16:27.000 Your campaign was so bad in 2020 that there were vast articles about how terrible that campaign was.

00:16:32.000 You had to drop out before you even got to your own home state.

00:16:34.000 The amazing thing about you, Kamala, is that you somehow became the presidential nominee for a major American party by never winning a single primary vote in your entire life.

00:16:45.000 That's unprecedented.

00:16:47.000 It's insane.

00:16:48.000 You've never run a good campaign.

00:16:50.000 You nearly lost your Attorney General's race in the far-left state of California to a Republican. 0.94

00:16:55.000 That's how incompetent a campaigner you are.

00:16:57.000 You only won your Senate race in California because you were running against another Democrat, Loretta Sanchez. 0.65

00:17:03.000 You have a 93% turnover rate in the Office of the Vice Presidency where you do nothing all day.

00:17:10.000 Now you want to manage America?

00:17:12.000 You couldn't even manage a campaign to win a nomination.

00:17:16.000 FEMA ain't.

00:17:17.000 You're not just radical, you are a threat to democracy.

00:17:19.000 You have pledged to completely revise the bargain of the Constitution between the people and their government.

00:17:25.000 You have pledged that if you become president, and if you have a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House, you will immediately kill the filibuster.

00:17:32.000 You will then use a bare Senate majority in order to ram through a wide variety of radical proposals, ranging from stacking the Supreme Court, to changing voting rules, to mandate ballot harvesting across the nation.

00:17:44.000 That is the practice where you have party apparatchiks who go around and pick up ballots from their favored constituencies.

00:17:51.000 It's really corrupt.

00:17:53.000 To adding states to the United States Senate, to permanently stack the United States Senate in favor of Democrats.

00:17:59.000 The administration under which you serve has used more executive orders than any administration in modern history.

00:18:06.000 That administration has tried to use the Occupational Safety and Health Administration in order to cram down a VAX mandate on 80 million Americans.

00:18:15.000 You are a threat to democracy.

00:18:16.000 You want to claim I'm a threat to democracy because there was a riot on January 6th?

00:18:19.000 How about the fact that you presided As a vice presidential candidate, over some of the worst riots in American history, and I say presided over because you tried to bail out the rioters in the Black Lives Matter riots. 0.74

00:18:31.000 And finally, theme number nine, you're just not up to the job.

00:18:34.000 You failed at every single job Joe Biden ever gave you.

00:18:36.000 He put you in charge of like the space program, and now we can't even have a rocket get up to the International Space Station to get down our astronauts.

00:18:44.000 Joe Biden put you in charge of the border in the Northern Triangle, and illegal immigration skyrocketed.

00:18:48.000 Joe Biden made you part of the Ukraine team, and Ukraine was promptly invaded.

00:18:55.000 You were totally sidelined in the White House according to multiple reports because you were so incompetent.

00:18:59.000 In fact, you were an afterthought.

00:19:01.000 The only reason we're even talking about you right now is because your boss went totally senile and then you were rammed into the nomination by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer.

00:19:10.000 There's literally no issue on which you have been given control that you have not botched beyond all belief.

00:19:14.000 You're not up to the job.

00:19:15.000 Okay, so those are the nine themes that Trump has to hit.

00:19:18.000 Doesn't have to hit all of them, but he has to hit a lot of them.

00:19:20.000 Again, just to repeat quickly, 1.

00:19:22.000 She's hiding and he's going to hold her accountable.

00:19:23.000 2.

00:19:24.000 She is the incumbent and she owns all of this.

00:19:26.000 3. 0.84

00:19:26.000 She is dishonest. 0.84

00:19:27.000 She's a liar. 1.00

00:19:28.000 Theme 4. 1.00

00:19:29.000 She's incoherent.

00:19:30.000 Theme 5.

00:19:31.000 She is radical.

00:19:31.000 Theme 6.

00:19:32.000 She is weak.

00:19:33.000 Theme 7. 0.98

00:19:33.000 She's an awful manager. 0.98

00:19:35.000 Theme 8. 0.86

00:19:35.000 She's a threat to democracy. 0.86

00:19:36.000 And Theme 9.

00:19:37.000 She's not up to the job.

00:19:38.000 Again, should be a pretty target-rich environment for President Trump.

00:19:43.000 She has been able to shift this race to pretend she's not the incumbent. 1.00

00:19:45.000 Somehow she is running against Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

00:19:49.000 That's a lie and everybody knows it.

00:19:50.000 Now, this brings us to the stuff that Trump cannot do.

00:19:54.000 The stuff that Trump cannot do.

00:19:55.000 Number one, he cannot lose his cool.

00:19:57.000 The Kamala Harris campaign is betting on him losing his cool.

00:19:59.000 This is the real reason why they were upset about the lack of open mics during the actual debate.

00:20:05.000 They were really pushing hard for the open mics.

00:20:06.000 They were hoping to prompt him into a moment where he stepped on her toes and then she could claim that she was a victim.

00:20:10.000 She could go crying to the audience.

00:20:12.000 Here's Ian Sams, who's the Harris walls senior advisor on MSNBC, just lamenting and whining and about the fact that there won't be open mics.

00:20:21.000 I think you mentioned the fact that the Trump campaign insisted on having the microphones muted in the debate on Tuesday night.

00:20:28.000 I think that you can see that that's clearly a concentrated effort by President Trump to create a parameter to let him be more disciplined and more careful in his approach.

00:20:38.000 I think people might be underestimating his ability in the debate.

00:20:41.000 Given the structure and format of those muted microphones, you know, he, he lies so much that it's hard to fact check him in real time, whether you're a moderator or a candidate running against him.

00:20:52.000 And so I think his handlers worked really hard to make sure that those mics stay muted to put him in a better position to be successful. 0.99

00:20:59.000 Well, again, the reason that they are doing this, the reason they're pushing is because what they are desperately hoping for is for Trump to overstep his boundaries, lose his temper, and then she can do the, you see, he's not, he's too volatile.

00:21:12.000 Like that's what they're looking for.

00:21:13.000 I'm speaking, I'm speaking, I'm speaking.

00:21:17.000 They're waiting for that moment.

00:21:19.000 So Trump has to make sure he does not lose his cool.

00:21:21.000 And by the way, you do too, when it comes to, you know, like

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00:22:30.000 Second, He cannot make personal insinuations.

00:22:33.000 This one's really hard.

00:22:34.000 Because, frankly, her life story is filled with personal insinuations.

00:22:38.000 And Trump loves that kind of stuff.

00:22:40.000 And Trump should definitely avoid the Willie Brown event.

00:22:43.000 He should avoid it mainly because it's not a winning tactic.

00:22:45.000 Not because it ain't true.

00:22:46.000 It turns out it is amazing that we have now reached a point in the United States of America where it is considered more controversial to mention the fact that Kamala Harris got her start by having sex with Willie Brown, one of the most important men in California politics.

00:22:58.000 It's more taboo to say that than it is for her to have done it.

00:23:02.000 That's kind of an amazing thing about the United States in this day and age.

00:23:07.000 Don't mention it.

00:23:08.000 Don't mention it at all.

00:23:09.000 It was all done on skill.

00:23:12.000 It was all done on her skill and her wherewithal and her strength.

00:23:16.000 No problem that she actually, you know, got her start by sleeping with one of the most powerful men in California politics who overtly talks about how much he helped her on her way up.

00:23:25.000 But Trump shouldn't touch it because other people will say it and because he will be labeled a sexist and because then it will open him up to all sorts of allegations about his own sex life and that sort of stuff.

00:23:35.000 She wants to play victim. 0.96

00:23:36.000 That is her last tactic.

00:23:38.000 Her tactic of last resort is that she is Donald Trump's victim. 0.89

00:23:40.000 He should not give that to her.

00:23:42.000 And then finally, the biggest one of all, he should not waste time on personal grievances.

00:23:46.000 Now, this one's very hard for President Trump, as we know.

00:23:48.000 For President Trump, his rallies are really funny, and they're fun, and there's a lot going on at them, until he gets a Festivus.

00:23:54.000 There's always a part of the rallies where he just starts to go into the Festivus grievances.

00:23:57.000 Now, he's been doing this a lot less lately.

00:23:59.000 President Trump has been avoiding this.

00:24:01.000 He's been talking about how his policy will get to a very good policy speech he gave on economics just yesterday.

00:24:07.000 But, he has an unfortunate habit, when prompted, of talking about how the election was stolen, and January 6th, and the victims of January, and all this kind of stuff.

00:24:17.000 Unhelpful.

00:24:18.000 Even if he believes it, totally, totally unhelpful.

00:24:21.000 The same thing is true, for example, if he is asked about his comments regarding Kamala Harris's race.

00:24:30.000 They will certainly, and she will, certainly bring up the fact that he suggested that she didn't consider herself black or something.

00:24:37.000 And what he should say is, look, Kamala, what I was talking about is your radical dishonesty when it comes to how you code switch. 0.87

00:24:44.000 You go from audience to audience, you change your accent in order to appeal to different audiences, and it's really, really dishonest. 0.98

00:24:51.000 But of course you're black. 1.00

00:24:52.000 Everyone knows you're black. 1.00

00:24:53.000 That is clearly true. 0.98

00:24:54.000 You should just say that.

00:24:55.000 That should be the end of it.

00:24:57.000 If he follows rabbit holes, that is what she is hoping for, that would be a very large scale mistake.

00:25:01.000 So this is a very winnable debate for President Trump.

00:25:04.000 And again, her entire strategy is to just throw him off his game. 0.97

00:25:06.000 Her entire strategy is to make him mad. 0.91

00:25:08.000 Her entire strategy is to have him demonstrate on the stage why he is unfit.

00:25:15.000 And so that's going to be her saying kind of nasty things, or kind of prodding him.

00:25:21.000 I think if he keeps his cool, he'll be in pretty good shape.

00:25:23.000 But he does have to push around some issues.

00:25:25.000 He does have to push around some issues.

00:25:26.000 The good news is, I think that's precisely what he's gonna do.

00:25:29.000 Now, good news is you can watch it with us because that debate is happening Tuesday, September 10th.

00:25:35.000 It's the most consequential debate in modern history.

00:25:37.000 We're doing it backstage.

00:25:38.000 We're gonna bring you a live simulcast of the debate and reactions from those trusted voices in conservative media.

00:25:43.000 So join me, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan, and Jeremy Boring for full coverage and analysis.

00:25:48.000 Watch it live with us over at DailyWirePlus.

00:25:51.000 It's gonna be a hell of a night.

00:25:52.000 Go check that out over at DailyWirePlus.

00:25:53.000 That is your reminder for next Tuesday night.

00:25:55.000 That's where you're going to want to watch the debate.

00:25:57.000 Okay, meanwhile, President Trump Yesterday, he laid out a pretty extensive economic plan.

00:26:03.000 He gave good speech.

00:26:04.000 He's at the Economic Club of New York.

00:26:06.000 And again, when Trump is on the issues, he wins.

00:26:09.000 Right now, the polling suggests that in the swing states, he is winning on the economy.

00:26:13.000 He's going to win more on the economy as she continues to lay out her terrible plans for the economy, all of which involves spending oodles of dollars and taxing pretty much everything that moves. 1.00

00:26:22.000 She's going to tax everything that moves until it's dead, and then she is going to regulate the remains. 1.00

00:26:28.000 That is effectively her plan.

00:26:31.000 President Trump, for his part, he can tout his record.

00:26:32.000 One of the points I've made about this election is that in this election, Donald Trump wants you to remember his tenure in office, and Kamala Harris wants you to forget hers.

00:26:42.000 That's something Trump should probably say in the debate.

00:26:44.000 I'm here to remind you of my record in office, and she is here to make you forget hers.

00:26:49.000 Here he was touting his own record, economically speaking.

00:26:52.000 Real median household income rose by $7,684.

00:26:59.000 And even after the pandemic, annual incomes were up $6,400.

00:27:02.000 The average American household saw $197,000 increase in real net worth in 48 months.

00:27:05.000 average American household saw a $197,000 increase in real net worth in 48 months.

00:27:14.000 For the bottom 50% of households, average wealth more than doubled, increasing by 121%.

00:27:23.000 After 12 years of decline, we added nearly 7 million new homeowners.

00:27:29.000 Never happened before.

00:27:30.000 And in three years, we created 7 million new jobs, 260 percent more than projected.

00:27:36.000 From the day I won to the day I left, the S&P 500 increased by 80 percent.

00:27:44.000 Again, that's the record.

00:27:46.000 That's the record.

00:27:47.000 And Kamala Harris will try to compete with that. 1.00

00:27:48.000 She'll say that she created a bunch of jobs. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Now Kamala Harris, you know, she's gonna lie about pretty much anything. 1.00

00:27:52.000 And you know what?

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00:28:47.000 The reality is virtually all the jobs created under Biden-Harris are what would be called rebound jobs, meaning they were jobs that were lost during COVID that just came back to where they were.

00:28:56.000 And then we started growing again, but at a slower rate than under President Trump.

00:29:00.000 And right now, we are having some pretty significant reports of joblessness.

00:29:04.000 The number of available jobs has gone down.

00:29:06.000 And of course, that comes on the heels of three and a half years of radical inflation.

00:29:10.000 Speaking of which, President Trump, speaking at the Economic Club of New York, he says, we're going to lower everything.

00:29:14.000 We're going to lower the prices.

00:29:15.000 We're going to lower the taxes.

00:29:16.000 We're going to lower the interest rates, all of it.

00:29:19.000 I am promising low taxes, low regulations, low energy costs, low interest rates, secure borders, low, low, low crime, and surging incomes for citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed.

00:29:39.000 My plan will rapidly defeat inflation, quickly bring down prices, and reignite explosive economic growth.

00:29:48.000 Again, this is all very good stuff.

00:29:50.000 Trump on teleprompter wins the election.

00:29:52.000 Trump off the teleprompter?

00:29:53.000 We'll have to find out.

00:29:55.000 President Trump also suggested that he's going to go along with Elon Musk's plan for a government efficiency commission to cut spending and cut regulation.

00:30:03.000 Here he was announcing that.

00:30:05.000 I will create a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit Of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms.

00:30:17.000 We need to do it.

00:30:18.000 Can't go on the way we are now.

00:30:20.000 And Elon, because he's not very busy, has agreed to head that task force.

00:30:26.000 Be interesting.

00:30:27.000 If he has the time, that'd be a good one to do it.

00:30:30.000 But he's agreed to do it.

00:30:32.000 Again, that's wonderful.

00:30:33.000 That's great.

00:30:34.000 He also says he's going to eliminate regulations even faster than he did in his first term.

00:30:38.000 In his first term, for every regulation that was promulgated, five and a half were appealed.

00:30:42.000 He is going to now up that rate.

00:30:44.000 He says he's going to do that specifically because of the additional regulations put in place by the Biden-Harris administration.

00:30:49.000 I will launch a historic campaign to liberate our economy from crippling regulation.

00:30:57.000 My first term, I pledged to cut two old regulations for every one new regulation, and we did much better than that, as I've said.

00:31:05.000 Yet over the past four years, Kamala has added $6,300 a year in regulatory costs onto the backs of the typical American family.

00:31:17.000 Think of that.

00:31:19.000 To stop this onslaught at lower prices, I'm pledging today that in my second term, we will eliminate a minimum of 10 old regulations for every one new regulation.

00:31:30.000 Again, this is all very good.

00:31:32.000 And he has a proposal.

00:31:33.000 He wants to lower the corporate tax rate for firms producing in the United States.

00:31:36.000 Now, the reality is that if you relieve a regulation and you radically lower the corporate tax rates for everyone, not just people producing in the United States, you'll get an explosion of growth, an explosion of innovation and investment.

00:31:47.000 So listen, I'd rather have selective tax reductions than no tax reductions, but I'd rather have general tax reductions than selective tax reductions.

00:31:55.000 Still, it's an interesting proposal.

00:31:58.000 My plan calls for expanded R&D tax credits, 100% bonus depreciation, expensing for new manufacturing investments, and a reduction in the corporate tax rate from 21% to 15%, solely for companies that make their product in America.

00:32:19.000 Trump also went on attack while speaking at the Economic Club of New York.

00:32:22.000 He slammed commonalinomics here.

00:32:25.000 Comrade Kamala Harris wants to sacrifice our wealth, kill the economy, and drive jobs overseas to punish businesses more. 1.00

00:32:35.000 Businesses will leave.

00:32:37.000 Her tax plan, which includes the promise to end the Trump tax cuts, which again by itself would be a massive tax increase, ...would increase taxes by over $5 trillion.

00:32:50.000 It would result in the largest small business tax hike in history, massively raising taxes on 25 million small business people, and raising small business tax rates to 43% and higher, radically raise the capital gains tax rate, which he wants to do, and they don't even want to give a number. 0.98

00:33:09.000 Well, of course, he is right about that, and he ripped her on her idiotic plan to tax unrealized capital gains. 0.95

00:33:16.000 These policies, especially the tax on unrealized capital gains, would decimate the U.S. 0.99

00:33:22.000 economy.

00:33:23.000 Companies and innovation would flee from America to other countries.

00:33:30.000 Venture capital markets would disappear, the stock market would be annihilated, and investors assess the tax liabilities of large shareholders.

00:33:39.000 The seniors and senior pensions would Totally go up in smoke.

00:33:44.000 They'd be worthless.

00:33:46.000 These are not the policies designed to create a prosperous America.

00:33:50.000 These are policies to turn the United States into Venezuela on steroids.

00:33:56.000 Even Mark Cuban, who is one of our biggest boosters, billionaire, he was asked about her tax on unrealized capital gains.

00:34:01.000 And he's like, yeah, that would destroy the stock market.

00:34:03.000 Well, then what what are you doing, dude?

00:34:05.000 Come on.

00:34:07.000 To her, her value proposition is we need to tax everybody fairly. I'm starting from the Biden

00:34:13.000 plan as a starting point, but that's not necessary.

00:34:17.000 necessarily hurt and mark let me just say I appreciate you calling and telling us

00:34:21.000 what you're hearing on these fronts that's great but as you've said yourself

00:34:25.000 you can't speak for the vice president these are things they're telling you who

00:34:28.000 knows what they're telling other people my guess is they're telling anybody who's

00:34:31.000 donating to them exactly what they want to hear at this point what matters is what they say publicly and what they

00:34:38.000 will stick to. No no no no no no no no absolutely positively not. No they would never double talk no.

00:34:42.000 Never, ever.

00:34:43.000 They would never double talk.

00:34:44.000 Sure.

00:34:45.000 Sure.

00:34:46.000 By the way, I do love that Joe Biden occasionally, he's kind of slipping the knife into Kamala Harris, like he's not super happy with this whole situation.

00:34:53.000 So yesterday, slow Joe was out there on the campaign trail and he actually admitted full scale that the Inflation Reduction Act was totally misnamed and was a giant Green New Deal boondoggle.

00:35:02.000 That's not very good for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:35:04.000 Here was Joe Biden trying to speak out of his mouth hole yesterday.

00:35:08.000 So again, if Trump stays on the issues, he retains the upper hand in this election cycle.

00:35:12.000 the most significant climate change law ever.

00:35:14.000 And by the way, it is a $369 billion bill.

00:35:19.000 It's called the, we should have named it what it was, but at any rate.

00:35:25.000 So again, if Trump stays on the issues, he retains the upper hand in this election cycle.

00:35:30.000 He does.

00:35:31.000 Okay, in just one second, we'll get to a couple of economic proposals

00:35:35.000 from President Trump that are mirrored by the Democrats.

00:35:36.000 They aren't particularly good.

00:35:38.000 First, in exactly one week, The Daily Wire's first-ever theatrical release, Amiracist, will be hitting theaters across the nation.

00:35:44.000 It's more than a comedy.

00:35:45.000 It's a systematic dismantling of the left's entire DEI apparatus.

00:35:48.000 We have another sneak peek for you.

00:35:49.000 Take a look at Matt Walsh's Amiracist. 0.86

00:35:52.000 I used to be a white woman, an unsuccessful one, for many decades, and it was a miserable experience. 0.69

00:35:58.000 And really, the hatred of yourselves and each other is, like, the most.

00:36:03.000 The not seeing your power.

00:36:05.000 The being afraid. 0.91

00:36:06.000 Like, all you do is talk s*** about each other, talk s*** about yourself. 0.99

00:36:09.000 Oh my god, I'm so fat! 0.99

00:36:09.000 That's all they do. 0.99

00:36:10.000 That's all they do.

00:36:12.000 I'm telling you.

00:36:12.000 These white women?

00:36:14.000 But it's, it's, that's it. 1.00

00:36:16.000 It's, I'm so fat, I'm so stupid, I'm blah blah blah. 0.99

00:36:21.000 Sorry. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Your kids are watching you.

00:36:29.000 And they're watching you talking s*** about each other, you know, raging against the machine, or being silent, or whatever the hell it is that you're doing or not doing.

00:36:37.000 And they know that you're not doing s*** for them.

00:36:39.000 That's so important.

00:36:40.000 That is so important what you just said.

00:36:44.000 It's really important.

00:36:47.000 That's all.

00:36:47.000 You may have to add Gene to our team.

00:36:49.000 Oh! 0.60

00:36:50.000 I would love to take a seat and join you guys.

00:36:51.000 No, you're not allowed to.

00:36:52.000 Oh, okay.

00:36:53.000 Definitely not allowed.

00:36:55.000 I do have my DEI.

00:36:57.000 Certification that I got.

00:36:59.000 So, not saying I'm an expert, but I'm also not a novice.

00:37:03.000 Okay. 0.93

00:37:06.000 White people are starved for these conversations. 0.97

00:37:07.000 We are. 0.88

00:37:08.000 We're so starving.

00:37:09.000 Yeah.

00:37:09.000 We are so starving for this.

00:37:12.000 Anyone else want to say anything?

00:37:15.000 I'll just say one thing.

00:37:16.000 I'm so glad we can have these conversations and I'll be done, but I'm just so glad that we could all get together to have these conversations.

00:37:23.000 That's all I wanted to say.

00:37:24.000 Thank you.

00:37:25.000 Is he an actor?

00:37:26.000 Are you an actor?

00:37:27.000 Oh, no.

00:37:27.000 Can you let us?

00:37:28.000 We're trying to listen and trying to have this conversation.

00:37:31.000 Okay.

00:37:31.000 You know, we're all acting all the time in our lives, and I think that that's part of the problem, you know?

00:37:40.000 That it's like we're all trying to play a part rather than just being real and having these uncomfortable conversations.

00:37:45.000 And that's what I'm always trying to tell people.

00:37:46.000 Especially, you know, white women. 1.00

00:37:48.000 No offense, but... No, but see, like, you're a white dude.

00:37:51.000 There's power positions, and, uh, you know, it's... Pointing... pointing... White people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful.

00:38:00.000 You know, I've been on this journey for so long, and just to see you guys at the table having this conversation has been really enlightening for me.

00:38:08.000 Anyway, I got the DEI certification, and I'm just on the journey.

00:38:15.000 All right, you ladies have a great one. 1.00

00:38:21.000 Decolonize yourself.

00:38:24.000 Do your own white supremacy dismantling.

00:38:30.000 And then you can start to bring in other people.

00:38:33.000 Can I just say one last thing?

00:38:34.000 Can I just propose a toast? 0.98

00:38:37.000 I mean, just raise a glass if you're racist.

00:38:40.000 And that's the thing.

00:38:43.000 Cheers.

00:38:43.000 Oh, I'm not racist.

00:38:44.000 Let me just... It's a racist... Well, all the rest is... It's a racist.

00:38:58.000 It's so good.

00:38:58.000 It really is.

00:38:59.000 It's a great piece of work by Matt.

00:39:00.000 It really is.

00:39:01.000 Honestly, no one else could do this. 1.00

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00:39:15.000 In this episode, we will discuss the making of his new film, M.I.

00:39:18.000 Racist.

00:39:19.000 You'll get to hear the inside scoop on everything that took place behind the scenes and more.

00:39:22.000 Here's a little bit of the trailer.

00:39:25.000 Let them expose themselves.

00:39:26.000 Let them do the work.

00:39:27.000 I don't have to explain to the audience or explain to the person why they're wrong.

00:39:33.000 Let them expose that.

00:39:35.000 And then we're going to put it on display.

00:39:36.000 Probably a lot of them are sitting kind of nervous right now.

00:39:40.000 Thinking about embarrassing things they said and thinking, like, God, I hope that didn't make it into the film.

00:39:45.000 I can tell them right now, it did.

00:39:49.000 And to Robin DiAngelo in particular, there's one moment that she's thinking, oh my gosh, I hope that's not in there.

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00:40:06.000 Meanwhile, both parties seem to have become pretty warm on the idea of tariffs, not as a national security tool.

00:40:12.000 Tariffs as a national security tool makes some sense.

00:40:14.000 I mean, if you actually want to quash China's economic growth, then sure, you're going to make the economic sacrifice that American taxpayers will pay more money, but you'll also be harming China's economic growth.

00:40:24.000 That's the idea of tariffs.

00:40:26.000 Both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris have sort of suggested.

00:40:29.000 That tariffs to protect domestic industries are economically good.

00:40:32.000 That, of course, is not particularly true.

00:40:34.000 Both parties are now working together to kill a deal in which Nippon Steel, which is a Japanese company, is attempting to buy the Pittsburgh-based U.S.

00:40:44.000 Steel.

00:40:44.000 That doesn't mean, by the way, that that steel would stop being produced in the United States.

00:40:47.000 It actually means more efficiencies that are brought to bear as Nippon Steel Actually infuses billions of dollars into the transaction to build new factories.

00:40:55.000 If it doesn't happen, U.S.

00:40:56.000 Steel is going to lose an awful lot of jobs.

00:40:58.000 So, you know, again, if you can show me a security rationale for why you're turning down the deal, that's one thing.

00:41:03.000 If this is sort of a union sop, then that is a completely different thing.

00:41:07.000 Meanwhile, Democrats in preparation for Kamala Harris not doing particularly well, they're going harder and harder on disinformation.

00:41:14.000 Remember, this is their go-to excuse when they lose elections.

00:41:17.000 Their go-to excuses, disinformation, misinformation, election interference.

00:41:22.000 Here, for example, is Chris Hayes of MSNBC lamenting X. Why?

00:41:26.000 Well, because X, of course, allows for free speech and dissemination of information that Chris Hayes doesn't particularly like.

00:41:31.000 He says that X is now turning into a pro-Trump disinformation machine.

00:41:36.000 Elon Musk runs one of the most influential internet platforms, or at least it used to be, formerly known as Twitter.

00:41:41.000 And he has essentially turned that platform into a pro-Trump, pro-authoritarian disinformation machine, where he just posts vile bigotry and disinformation that millions of people see and share.

00:41:53.000 Despite his site's own policy that you may not share synthetic, manipulated, or out of context

00:41:58.000 media that may deceive or confuse people, Musk does that basically all day long.

00:42:03.000 Wow, he put out stuff that Chris Hayes doesn't like. I mean if you put out information that

00:42:07.000 were meant to say deceive people about telling, let's say Russiagate for like four years,

00:42:11.000 if you're MSNBC.

00:42:12.000 Does that make you a vile disinformation machine?

00:42:15.000 Is that how that works?

00:42:16.000 Or it only works that way when people are disagreeing with Chris Hayes.

00:42:19.000 Remember, there are consequences to this sort of stuff.

00:42:22.000 If given the presidency, Kamala Harris undoubtedly would actually bring the mechanisms of government to bear on social media. 1.00

00:42:28.000 In fact, in 2019, she did just that.

00:42:29.000 Here she was, vowing to use the DOJ to go after social media.

00:42:33.000 And we'll put the Department of Justice of the United States back in the business of justice.

00:42:40.000 We will double the Civil Rights Division and direct law enforcement to counter this extremism.

00:42:48.000 We will hold social media platforms accountable for the hate infiltrating their platforms because they have a responsibility to help fight against this threat to our democracy.

00:43:03.000 And if you profit off of hate, if you act as a megaphone for misinformation or cyber warfare, if you don't police your platforms, we are going to hold you accountable as a community.

00:43:19.000 That seems like a fascistic threat to free speech, doesn't it?

00:43:22.000 Amazingly enough, the New York Times is worried about a fascistic threat to free speech.

00:43:25.000 Trump, wait for it.

00:43:26.000 You know where it's going.

00:43:27.000 Donald Trump, of course.

00:43:30.000 A.G.

00:43:30.000 Sulzberger, the publisher of the New York Times, has a piece in the Washington Post, because democracy dies in darkness and all the rest, decrying the possibility that Donald Trump is going to crack down on the press.

00:43:38.000 Now, never mind that the Biden administration has been significantly worse to the press than the Trump administration ever was.

00:43:44.000 Trump said mean things about the press, but he talked with them regularly.

00:43:46.000 The Biden administration doesn't even bother to actually do interviews with the press.

00:43:51.000 They just send out KJP to lie all the time.

00:43:54.000 Or Jen Psaki before her. 1.00

00:43:56.000 I mean, Joe Biden doesn't do interviews.

00:43:57.000 Joe Biden doesn't do anything.

00:43:58.000 Kamala Harris doesn't do interviews. 0.97

00:43:59.000 She doesn't do anything.

00:44:01.000 The mistreatment of the media under Joe Biden has been extraordinary.

00:44:04.000 Members of the media acknowledge it.

00:44:07.000 But, of course, the big threat is going to be Donald Trump.

00:44:08.000 He's going to threaten the First Amendment, just like they have supposedly in Hungary, India, and Brazil.

00:44:15.000 Notice, by the way, that there's never any talk about the crackdown on the press under Lula da Silva in Brazil.

00:44:19.000 It's all about Jair Bolsonaro.

00:44:21.000 Because it turns out that so many of our journalists are just left-wing activists.

00:44:25.000 That's all they are.

00:44:26.000 And so they can never call out actual threats to the free press as long as those threats come from the left.

00:44:31.000 They'll only call out phantom threats to the free press from the right.

00:44:36.000 And again, they're ramping up all the talk about disinformation because the idea is going to be that if Donald Trump wins, it was the Russians again.

00:44:42.000 So there's been a lot of focus, for example, on this Russian operation to promote propaganda

00:44:49.000 via a company called Tenet Media, which was founded by Lauren Chen

00:44:56.000 and her husband, Liam Donovan.

00:44:59.000 According to semaphore.com, Chen and her husband are the co-founders of Tenet Media,

00:45:04.000 a previously obscure media company that paid eye-popping sums to right-wing influencers

00:45:08.000 to produce videos echoing Russian propaganda and other right-wing talking points,

00:45:11.000 according to the indictment.

00:45:12.000 Now, the goal of a lot of these stories is to suggest that, for example, Tim Pool or Benny Johnson produced pro-Russian propaganda because they were being paid by the Russians.

00:45:24.000 That that wasn't their actual point of view.

00:45:26.000 That they were sort of bought and paid for.

00:45:27.000 So Lauren Chen has now been fired by The Blaze, which of course is an appropriate remedy. 0.98

00:45:32.000 And the reality is that Lauren had been promulgating a lot of pretty ugly stuff for a very long period of time.

00:45:37.000 And as an unfortunate fact of the modern media environment, there are some people on the right who are grifting their way forward.

00:45:45.000 The fact that Lauren Chen spent an extraordinary amount of time basically decrying all of her political opponents is bought and paid for by foreign interests, and then it turns out that she was kind of bought and paid for by foreign interests.

00:45:54.000 There's a great level of irony there.

00:45:56.000 She has been let go by the blaze.

00:45:58.000 That's a bad story about right-wing media, but the reality is there's some goodies in right-wing media like Matt Walsh.

00:46:02.000 Matt's done it again with his new film, Am I Racist?

00:46:05.000 It hits theaters September 13th.

00:46:06.000 But you can watch it early and for free through our partnership with Young America's Foundation.

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00:46:12.000 We've been partnering with them since 2013 to speak where needed most in America, college campuses.

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00:46:36.000 And the bottom line is that, however, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, Benny Johnson, there's no, in fact there's counter evidence to the idea that they were knowingly paid by the Russian government.

00:46:46.000 And the sort of implication by the media that they were, yeah, it's pretty ugly.

00:46:51.000 And again, I disagree with them when it comes to Russia-Ukraine in large measure.

00:46:56.000 I've been an advocate of continuing funding to Ukraine sufficient to prevent a full-scale Russian victory in that war while also seeking an off-ramp.

00:47:04.000 Frankly, I also think that Ukraine has every right and ability to incur into Russian territory as an offset to the territory that Russia has taken from Ukraine because that is going to forward their cause in future negotiation.

00:47:18.000 So I disagree with them.

00:47:19.000 That doesn't change the question of whether they were paid for their perspective by Russia.

00:47:23.000 That is a different thing.

00:47:25.000 And the implication, always, is that somehow the pro-Trump forces are being bought and paid for by someone.

00:47:32.000 And there's no evidence to suggest that that is, in fact, the case.

00:47:35.000 In fact, joining us on the line right now is Tim Pool.

00:47:38.000 He is host of TimCast IRL, CEO of TimCast.com and host of the Culture War podcast.

00:47:42.000 You can see that over at his YouTube channel.

00:47:45.000 Tim, thanks for joining the show.

00:47:46.000 Great to talk to you.

00:47:47.000 Thanks for having me.

00:47:48.000 So there are two big stories that you are currently involved in.

00:47:51.000 One wasn't enough for you.

00:47:52.000 One of them is, of course, the very widely covered story about a DOJ indictment involving, apparently, Tenet Media.

00:47:59.000 Tenet Media, according to the allegations, was being paid effectively by a Russian front.

00:48:04.000 And when I say The company was.

00:48:06.000 What I really mean is the founders of the company apparently were, if the allegations in the indictment are true.

00:48:12.000 All the media ran with was that because you are a host whose show is posted at Tenet Media, that this must have implicated you or Dave Rubin or Benny Johnson.

00:48:20.000 Why don't you give us sort of the rundown of what's going on here?

00:48:23.000 Yeah, the simple version is the Culture War podcast existed well before Tenet Media or any licensing agreement.

00:48:30.000 We had the show, so I've got multiple YouTube channels.

00:48:33.000 One is youtube.com slash TimCast.

00:48:35.000 That was my original channel where I used to host a 4 p.m., half an hour podcast.

00:48:39.000 We switched formats because I have a couple channels.

00:48:42.000 One was redundant—I have another one that's basically the same thing.

00:48:44.000 They're kind of redundant.

00:48:45.000 So we turned this one into a Friday morning live show about cultural issues.

00:48:50.000 So it's—politics doesn't, you know, come in relatively often, but, you know, we did one on dating.

00:48:57.000 We did an episode on simulation theory versus Christianity and religion.

00:49:03.000 So it's not an overtly political show.

00:49:06.000 That show is licensed for principal broadcast, non-exclusive to Tenet Media.

00:49:12.000 That's it.

00:49:14.000 The show exists still to this day, and it will be at youtube.com slash TimCast on, you know, Fridays.

00:49:20.000 So with this story, you know, we're hearing that these allegations, it's kind of crazy.

00:49:27.000 I mean, Lauren Chen.

00:49:30.000 I guess she's been fired from The Blaze. 0.90

00:49:32.000 I don't know a lot about what's going on.

00:49:33.000 In fact, I think I only talked to her a couple times this year.

00:49:36.000 For me, it was, we had an existing show that we're, a new show we had launched had been up for a few months.

00:49:41.000 We hosted people like Vivek Ramaswamy on it.

00:49:43.000 And we were preparing to engage in sponsorships.

00:49:47.000 And, you know, they were getting hundreds of thousands of views per episode.

00:49:51.000 And we decided to license it out because they... Lauren contacted us and was saying, you know, we'd love to license something from you.

00:49:59.000 And I said, well, we don't need to do that.

00:50:01.000 We're an independent company.

00:50:03.000 We have our own members and sponsorships.

00:50:05.000 And then it took quite a while, but long story short...

00:50:08.000 We agreed to a non-exclusive broadcast license, which meant that we own the show.

00:50:14.000 The show is owned by the Culture War Company, which is its own company.

00:50:19.000 We own distribution rights, we own audio distribution rights, everything about it.

00:50:23.000 They just effectively paid for a license, which would have it appear on their YouTube channel, Friday mornings at 10am.

00:50:29.000 And with that, they got to use my likeness and things like that.

00:50:32.000 And so now with these allegations, I don't know what's going on there, but if you want to ask any questions so we can elaborate.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the only questions that, given the media coverage, I think the question that people in the media are pushing, at least, is the idea that there must have been some sort of outside, external, Russian control of your show.

00:50:49.000 Maybe you want to address how you do the editorial at your show.

00:50:51.000 Was Lauren ever talking to you about the editorial content of the show or anything like that?

00:50:55.000 Nope.

00:50:57.000 So I barely even talked to Lauren.

00:51:00.000 And it's kind of crazy.

00:51:00.000 I've known her for a long time.

00:51:01.000 So when she said that she was launching a company, she had investors, I'm like, okay, I mean, I hear that 50 times a year.

00:51:09.000 And in the podcast space, we just heard that I think Travis Kelsey is getting a $100 million contract.

00:51:15.000 So these numbers are That's where they're at.

00:51:17.000 I think people don't realize how big the podcasting space is and the revenue that you generate from sponsorships and memberships.

00:51:22.000 So it seemed kind of, I don't know, mundane to a certain extent.

00:51:26.000 A lot of people think these numbers are huge.

00:51:29.000 But yeah, so I don't know.

00:51:32.000 Ask me again.

00:51:32.000 I'm losing my train of thought.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, no, no.

00:51:34.000 I mean, the only question was basically whether you were in control of the editorial and it sounds like you were.

00:51:38.000 I mean, the Culture War show is a conversation show on various topics.

00:51:42.000 The subject matter of the show, editorially, is... there's no thought into it.

00:51:47.000 We had been talking about hosting a show on religious debate and simulation theory and AI.

00:51:52.000 So, I talked to my booking agent and said, can we find a guy who talks about AI and simulation and do a two-hour conversation?

00:51:59.000 That's the gist of it.

00:52:00.000 That's how the show was produced.

00:52:02.000 The first episode that actually appeared on Tenet was about skateboarding.

00:52:06.000 Quite literally, we had a professional skateboard filmer, an amateur, and a professional skateboarder, and we talked about skateboarding.

00:52:14.000 Because I'm a skateboarder, that's what we do.

00:52:16.000 So, I mean, it's kind of crazy to hear that they're saying... the media's jumped the gun completely on what the story is.

00:52:24.000 The DOJ indictment literally says that commentators were deceived, that there was a rather sophisticated plan to manipulate the commentators of the platform, so they wouldn't know what was going on.

00:52:36.000 And I can say on my end, everything that happens here goes through our legal team, and we have multiple lawyers.

00:52:42.000 So when someone reaches out to me and says, hey, we want to do a panel, we have sponsorships.

00:52:46.000 And I don't know who these companies are.

00:52:47.000 And we're a company with like 40 employees.

00:52:50.000 And so when someone reaches out to us, I say, great, cool, someone handle it and talk to the lawyers.

00:52:56.000 The lawyers come back, do their due diligence, and then we say, sure, or whatever.

00:53:01.000 And so the crazy thing is, this was so ancillary to anything we do.

00:53:07.000 You know, I do my morning show from 10 to noon now.

00:53:09.000 At the time, it wasn't live, but now it's live.

00:53:12.000 And then we do Tim Cast IRL from 8pm to 11pm.

00:53:14.000 And so we don't, I don't really think much at all about where the show is streaming or distribution.

00:53:20.000 For all I knew, this was, you know, Lauren Chen, she works at The Blaze.

00:53:24.000 She wanted to start a company, she found investors.

00:53:27.000 That was seemingly the gist of it.

00:53:29.000 We only ever took money from an American corporation.

00:53:31.000 The amount of money that we were offered for the show was around market value for offers we had already received.

00:53:37.000 And so it was just like, cool, I know Lauren, sure, you know, whatever.

00:53:41.000 And then you got Benny and Dave and Matt Christensen and Taylor Hanson, who I know them all, and I'm like, yeah, this seems fine, whatever. 0.81

00:53:49.000 And the crazy thing is, you know, assuming all this stuff is true, I'm like, man, this sucks.

00:53:54.000 We didn't need the deal.

00:53:55.000 The deal didn't do anything for us.

00:53:56.000 It was just, sure, I guess.

00:53:59.000 And the bummer is, now with everything, with the way things are going, we could have just run the culture war on my channel with 1.3 million subscribers, as it is, and just made money on our own through sponsorships, as we already did.

00:54:12.000 So it's frustrating to get entangled in whatever it is she's accused of being involved in.

00:54:16.000 It must be frustrating also.

00:54:17.000 I mean, listen, you and I disagree, I think, on some of the elements around the Ukraine war, but the idea that's been put forth by the media is that somehow you were being paid directly by Vladimir Putin in order to express those views, and that therefore anybody who disagrees with sort of the Democratic take or even the sort of moderate Republican take on this must be paid by Russia.

00:54:36.000 That, of course, is an absurdity, and I think it is wrapped into a broader narrative that seems to be ramping up just in time for the election.

00:54:42.000 Yeah, here we go again.

00:54:43.000 I mean, my view is probably aligned more with the Libertarian Party.

00:54:45.000 That's it. 1.00

00:54:46.000 Russia sucks. 1.00

00:54:46.000 I'm not a fan of Russia. 1.00

00:54:47.000 I think Vladimir Putin is a dictator who's used unethical and dictatorial means to maintain power for decades.

00:54:53.000 And I've long said that.

00:54:53.000 I mean, my view is probably aligned more with the Libertarian Party.

00:54:58.000 That's it. 1.00

00:54:59.000 I've—Russia sucks. 1.00

00:55:00.000 I'm not a fan of Russia. 1.00

00:55:01.000 I think Vladimir Putin is a dictator who's used unethical and dictatorial means to maintain

00:55:06.000 power for decades.

00:55:08.000 And I've long said that.

00:55:09.000 My principal point is, you know, my opposition to the war is that we are spending hundreds

00:55:13.000 of billions of dollars at a time when we're dealing with infrastructure problems, we're

00:55:16.000 dealing with border problems.

00:55:19.000 And now with the—I mean, the clip that's circulating right now is my exasperation and

00:55:24.000 outrage to hear that with U.S.

00:55:26.000 resources, not weapons, but with training and things of this matter, Ukraine's invaded Russian territory, pushing us to the brink of large-scale international conflict, which terrifies me.

00:55:36.000 And so, that pisses me off.

00:55:38.000 That being said, Russia should never have invaded Ukraine.

00:55:41.000 Russia was wrong to do it. 0.95

00:55:42.000 They lost the soft power battle and they're resorting desperate tactics to do it.

00:55:46.000 And then we find ourselves entrenched in some conflict because of Ukraine.

00:55:50.000 You know, they're posting these things about, you know, I mean, I remember I went out with you guys.

00:55:54.000 I had supported Ron DeSantis early on, 21 or in 2022, until things started to shift.

00:56:01.000 I felt like Ron wasn't going to be able to win.

00:56:06.000 Now they're acting like that was all of a sudden I got paid to change my opinions.

00:56:09.000 And this is the unfortunate thing.

00:56:11.000 The ultimate smear is that the revenue that we were paid through the licensing deal was inconsequential to my lifestyle, to the bottom line of the company.

00:56:22.000 And we've actually never done anything with it.

00:56:25.000 I would say like, you know, the overwhelming majority of the money is just not gone anywhere.

00:56:29.000 And then, you know, we have people tweeting at me like, give the money back or whatever it is.

00:56:33.000 Like, dude, let me put it this way.

00:56:34.000 We're talking to our legal team.

00:56:35.000 I can say that I just announced I've been contacted by the FBI as a potential victim in a crime.

00:56:45.000 They have stated that I may have information relevant to their ongoing investigation and requested a voluntary interview.

00:56:52.000 Engaging with counsel, we are going to provide, you know, assistance in whatever way we can.

00:56:57.000 And that's about it.

00:56:57.000 I mean, it's, you know, they say it's like an arm's length deal.

00:57:02.000 That's what it's always referred to.

00:57:03.000 And I'm like, man, I don't even know what that means.

00:57:05.000 I know that we had a show that already existed, that talks about video games, dating, culture, some political issues.

00:57:11.000 We had an Israel-Palestine debate, and we licensed it for publication, non-exclusive.

00:57:17.000 Like, that's the crazy thing.

00:57:18.000 It's not even an exclusive show.

00:57:20.000 It's non-exclusive.

00:57:20.000 We published it other places.

00:57:22.000 We own the rights for all of it.

00:57:23.000 And so now we get entrenched in whatever this is, and I'm just like, nah, I don't have anything to do with this.

00:57:28.000 I don't know what it is Lauren Chen was doing. 0.98

00:57:30.000 I'm quite perturbed by the allegations.

00:57:34.000 I don't know what will turn out to be true, but, you know, I'm pissed.

00:57:37.000 So that's one story involving you.

00:57:38.000 The other one is that you are suing Kamala Harris.

00:57:41.000 The Kamala Harris campaign put out a tweet that is, it really is an absurd tweet.

00:57:45.000 I mean, they put out a tweet effectively saying that you are calling for violence or that you are saying that Trump should actually arrest people or execute people based on whim.

00:57:54.000 If you watch the clip that's posted, that is 100% not what you are saying.

00:57:58.000 In fact, what you are saying is that if there are people who are guilty of crimes, then Trump should use his DOJ to go after those people.

00:58:04.000 And then Laura Loomer, who is on your show, suggested That maybe if they're guilty of treason, they should be executed.

00:58:09.000 But even with that statement, the presumption would be that there'd be some sort of judicial process.

00:58:13.000 And I think that it's a pretty large stretch of the imagination to think that we're gonna get to the point where people are tried for treason in the United States and then executed.

00:58:19.000 It's been a little while since we've done that in any case.

00:58:21.000 But that's not what the Kamala Harris tweet said.

00:58:23.000 The Kamala Harris tweet suggested that you believe that basically Donald Trump should be given dictatorial power to kill his enemies.

00:58:30.000 Right, so it hit a bunch of points.

00:58:33.000 It said I was a Trump operative, which, I don't know, I'm implying I'm paid, it's not true.

00:58:39.000 It said their Project 2025 plan, I have nothing to do with Project 2025.

00:58:44.000 And then it said that we were calling for Trump to have unchecked legal authority to jail and execute anyone who won't support him when he wins, or if he wins or whatever.

00:58:53.000 Which is crazy, because I oppose the death penalty.

00:58:56.000 I am adamantly opposed to the death penalty.

00:58:58.000 And the actual clip They cut it short, but the actual full context was the Federalist Sean Davis had made a statement that day or the day prior that he wants to see a list of Democrats who are going to be criminally charged when Trump gets elected.

00:59:14.000 My point was kind of walking that back.

00:59:16.000 Like, we don't want to come out and just say, go arrest Democrats.

00:59:19.000 The point in the full context of the conversation is, Are there some, like, I'll put it this way, when he says he wants a list of Democrats, my point is this.

00:59:28.000 Are there some Democrats who should be criminally charged?

00:59:30.000 Yes, because they committed crimes.

00:59:32.000 I am not saying Democrat voters, I am not saying all Democrats, I am saying certainly there are people along with the Democratic Party, I believe there's that lawyer who was criminally charged over the Carter Page incident.

00:59:43.000 These people exist.

00:59:45.000 Donald Trump will need a real, an AG, a Deputy Attorney General, a head of the FBI, who are going to launch investigations, get real evidence of these crimes, have warrants, there will be trials in front of the world to prove the crimes they committed, and then they can be sentenced.

01:00:00.000 My point is it's not a point of origin for me to say, hey, Trump, go arrest these people.

01:00:06.000 Not at all.

01:00:07.000 My point was, hey, you're calling for the arrest, but we have to make sure if that's the case, these people are actually guilty of crimes.

01:00:11.000 They've actually faced trial.

01:00:13.000 And then to go on to claim that I would call for the execution of people who wouldn't support Trump.

01:00:19.000 I don't believe there is anything more extreme you could accuse a person of doing, saying, or of views they held.

01:00:28.000 That is the epitome of extreme statement.

01:00:31.000 To claim that I was advocating for what is tantamount to genocide is an extreme lie, and that's why we're taking immediate action.

01:00:41.000 And I engaged my legal team and said, we're going forward with it.

01:00:45.000 So we're in the preparation phase, but we're moving quickly.

01:00:48.000 So, Tim, what remedy are you seeking from the Kamala Harris campaign?

01:00:51.000 I assume, obviously, a takedown of the tweet, but what else?

01:00:55.000 Well, we're not there yet.

01:00:57.000 My lawyers are drafting the argument, so I think it's premature for me to say exactly what the remedy is going to be, and I have to confer with my lawyers on that.

01:01:08.000 I don't know how much I can say, considering my lawyers are currently working on it, but we are going over paperwork, and once we have something finalized and it's filed, then everyone will know exactly what we're saying beyond the, hey, you can't accuse someone of these things.

01:01:19.000 This is crazy.

01:01:20.000 Well, Tim, really appreciate you taking the time.

01:01:22.000 I know that things are very, very busy over there.

01:01:26.000 And, you know, honestly, the media coverage of all of this is quite absurd when it comes to you.

01:01:31.000 So, you know, I feel for you, my friend.

01:01:34.000 I appreciate it.

01:01:35.000 Thanks for having me.

01:01:37.000 Alrighty, guys.

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01:01:48.000 Republicans or Nazis, you cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people. 0.91

01:01:53.000 Growing up, I never thought much about race. 0.95

01:01:55.000 It never really seemed to matter that much, at least not to me.

01:01:57.000 Am I racist?

01:01:59.000 I would really appreciate it if you left.

01:02:00.000 I'm trying to learn.

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01:02:12.000 What you're doing is you're stretching out of your white. 0.96

01:02:15.000 This is more for you than this for you.

01:02:16.000 Is America inherently racist?

01:02:17.000 The word inherent is challenging there.

01:02:20.000 You want to rename the George Washington Monument to the George Floyd Monument?

01:02:23.000 America is racist to its bones.

01:02:25.000 So inherently? 0.98

01:02:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:02:26.000 This country is a piece of... 0.99

01:02:29.000 White. 0.97

01:02:29.000 Folks. 0.97

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01:02:30.000 Trash. 1.00

01:02:30.000 White supremacy. 1.00

01:02:31.000 White woman. 1.00

01:02:31.000 White boy. 1.00

01:02:32.000 Is there a black person around here?

01:02:33.000 What's a black person right here? 0.86

01:02:35.000 Does he not exist?

01:02:36.000 Hi, Robin.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 06, 2024

How Trump Can DESTROY Kamala In Debate

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