The Ben Shapiro Show - I Met The Pope...PLUS SCOTUS Hands Matt Walsh A Win!

00:00:00.000 All righty, folks, an insane amount coming up on today's show.

00:00:02.000 I'm actually in Rome today, and I met the Pope, so I'll tell you all about that pretty amazing experience.

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00:00:47.000 But today, I had a pretty incredible experience.

00:00:50.000 I actually got to go to the Vatican.

00:00:55.000 Every Wednesday the Pope holds a general audience.

00:00:57.000 And it's an amazing event.

00:00:59.000 There are tens of thousands of people who gather in St. Peter's Square from all over the world.

00:01:02.000 They're sort of divided by country of origin.

00:01:05.000 And first the Pope arrives in the Popemobile.

00:01:08.000 He drives around.

00:01:09.000 He greets the entire audience.

00:01:10.000 And then he comes up in the center of St. Peter's Square right in front of the Basilica.

00:01:16.000 and he gives essentially an address about the Bible.

00:01:20.000 It's read out in a variety of different languages.

00:01:23.000 I got to sit up there near where the Pope was, and then I got to briefly meet the Pope and give him a gift, which I'll get to in a moment.

00:01:29.000 It really is quite a beautiful event.

00:01:31.000 It's a reminder that godly biblical values are the guiding force for billions of people around the world.

00:01:38.000 The world seems like a very dark place from time to time, but the reality is that if you stick to eternal values, Actually, what the Pope said was quite beautiful, not surprisingly.

00:01:48.000 The new Pope.

00:01:49.000 Pope Leo, I'll have my comments about him personally in a moment, but what he actually had to say, he quoted from the book of John the story about the pool of Bethesda, which is the story in the book of John where Jesus goes to the pool of Bethesda and there are people who are ill and people who are paralyzed, people who are sick and infirm.

00:02:06.000 There's a man there who's been sick and infirm for 38 years and Jesus goes to that man and he tells him that he ought to get up and walk, take his mat with him and walk.

00:02:16.000 And what the Pope said is that We should all reflect on Jesus' statement at that moment when we feel stuck and trapped in a dead end, that instead of allowing that to become an excuse for others to take care of us, instead, we should not allow this to become some sort of justification to, as he said, avoid making decisions about our lives.

00:02:34.000 Instead, we should get away from fatalism and we should embrace personal responsibility.

00:02:37.000 Again, it's those sorts of messages that are implicit in the biblical narrative that the Pope is spreading, and that is a wonderful thing for the civilization.

00:02:44.000 I've talked about this before.

00:02:45.000 I'm an Orthodox Jew, obviously.

00:02:47.000 I don't have a dog in the fight when it comes to internal battles over doctrine and Catholicism, except to the extent that the Catholic Church remains a lodestone for Western civilization, a great spreader of biblical values to humanity, in the same way there are Protestant churches that do the same.

00:03:04.000 People of God, people of the book, people of the Bible are spreading eternal values, and it is worth acknowledging that and honoring that.

00:03:12.000 That's actually what I said to the Pope when I had an opportunity to meet him.

00:03:15.000 So afterward, After the general audience, the Pope meets a bunch of people who are there.

00:03:21.000 There are a bunch of bishops who went up and met him, and then there was a small group of people who were able to go up and meet him.

00:03:25.000 And so I handed him a letter asking for an interview, of course.

00:03:29.000 I introduced myself, and you're supposed to bring the Pope a gift.

00:03:32.000 And here's what it looked like.

00:03:37.000 You can see I shake the Pope's hand, and I explain.

00:03:45.000 Thank you so much.

00:04:10.000 Via video to some 30,000 people.

00:04:13.000 And I told him that while he is Catholic and I am Jewish, one of the miracles that we can agree on is the 2005 White Sox winning the World Series.

00:04:21.000 And I brought with me from my personal collection a 2005 World Series White Sox signed baseball by the entire team.

00:04:28.000 And I gave it to him.

00:04:29.000 And he seemed a little bit surprised.

00:04:31.000 Not by the fact that I was giving gifts, but he was surprised that it was a gift and not just me showing him something cool, I suppose.

00:04:37.000 And pretty delighted by it.

00:04:39.000 So it was really a terrific experience.

00:04:42.000 Honestly, the entire event was amazing.

00:04:44.000 My impressions of him are, you know, you have to form your impressions of famous people that you meet for a short period of time in that short period of time.

00:04:52.000 I will say that from the people who I've spoken to, and I want to say thank you, by the way, to the ambassador of Hungary, to the Vatican, who helped guide us through the process here and who knew Pope Francis well and who also knows Pope Leo a little, that Pope Leo...

00:05:12.000 What the ambassador suggested is that Pope Francis was Pope Francis before he was Pope, and then he was Pope Francis after he was Pope, and he was essentially the same person.

00:05:21.000 I'm jovial, warm, joking.

00:05:22.000 He said that Pope Liot is by nature more reserved, but that he has essentially taken his personality and subsumed it in the role of being Pope, which I think is quite apparent actually when you meet the Pope. 0.83

00:05:31.000 He's a deeply humble man.

00:05:33.000 You can tell that right away just from meeting him.

00:05:36.000 And the kind of sheer joy that he had, I think, at the baseball, which again, a small thing.

00:05:40.000 He's a very important person who has the weight of the spiritual fate of over a billion people on his shoulders, obviously.

00:05:48.000 Kind of his sheer joy in that.

00:05:49.000 I think that humility and joy would be the two sort of descriptors I would use for Pope Leo.

00:05:54.000 So I want to share that with you because, you know, in the political, there's a lot of moments that are not uplifting.

00:05:59.000 In the political, there are a lot of moments that are fraught.

00:06:01.000 There are a lot of moments where it feels as though darkness is encroaching.

00:06:06.000 And so there does need to be a meeting of the minds between all of us who believe in biblical values, that those biblical values ought to be pervaded.

00:06:15.000 It's one of the reasons why on the show I have encouraged people who are Catholic to go to church, people who are Protestant to go to church.

00:06:20.000 So I encourage Jews to go to synagogue and relearn their traditions and engage with those traditions.

00:06:27.000 I'm very much in favor of the strengthening.

00:06:32.000 I'm very much in favor of people re-engaging with the values that made the West what it is in the first place.

00:06:39.000 So it's a wonderful experience.

00:06:41.000 Alrighty, folks, a lot coming up on today's show.

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00:09:03.000 Joining me on the line to discuss is Trent Horn, Catholic apologist, host of the Council of Trent podcast.

00:09:08.000 Trent, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:09:09.000 I appreciate it.

00:09:10.000 Thanks for having me, Ben.

00:09:11.000 So, first of all, I have to say it was a really unique experience.

00:09:15.000 Obviously, I'm an Orthodox Jew.

00:09:16.000 I've never been to a Catholic service, let alone to what I experienced today.

00:09:21.000 It really is an amazing thing.

00:09:23.000 What's sort of the history of this particular event?

00:09:27.000 Apparently it happens every Wednesday.

00:09:29.000 It really is a beautiful thing.

00:09:31.000 Watching tens of thousands of people congregate in St. Peter's Square just to hear from Pope Leo, it's an amazing thing.

00:09:37.000 Yeah, so the Pope traditionally holds a Wednesday audience where Mass will be celebrated and he'll give an address.

00:09:44.000 Sometimes he'll celebrate the Angelus.

00:09:46.000 And it's a wonderful opportunity for people to be able to come and hear from the Pope.

00:09:52.000 That really, starting in the 20th century, a lot of popes made themselves more available.

00:09:57.000 I mean, for much of church history, the pope was a monarch, and he still is, but he was someone that was just in the Vatican, away from most people, not as accessible.

00:10:08.000 But we started seeing with Pope Paul VI and the 20th century popes, this greater availability, and of course, with Pope St. John Paul II traveling all over the world, followed by Pope Benedict and Pope Francis, this ability to be able to...

00:10:21.000 It's a wonderful thing.

00:10:22.000 I was able to meet Pope Francis myself at a Wednesday audience in 2013 after his election.

00:10:27.000 My wife and I had just gotten married, and there's a tradition called Sposi Novelli where if you've just been married in the Catholic Church and you attend a Wednesday audience, you have the opportunity to meet the Pope.

00:10:38.000 Yeah, that I saw right behind me.

00:10:40.000 There were a series of brides and grooms. 0.70

00:10:41.000 They were in their wedding dresses, the brides obviously, and they got to approach the Pope afterward, which was really an amazing thing.

00:10:48.000 So the Pope has obviously been, the new Pope has been in place for only a few weeks at this point.

00:10:55.000 My impressions of him, again, you have to make an impression in a very short period of time.

00:11:01.000 Tremendous humility.

00:11:02.000 I mean, that was just the impression that I took away from him as a human being very quickly.

00:11:06.000 I mean this is somebody who appears to really be his office, significantly less perhaps than Pope Francis who in some ways seemed to be – I was told this by folks who had dealt with Pope Francis pretty closely, who seemed to be the same when he was a cardinal and when he was the pope.

00:11:20.000 He was always himself.

00:11:21.000 Pope Leo seems to have really subsumed himself into the office, and that means – What's your impression thus far?

00:11:35.000 Yes.

00:11:35.000 Now, I haven't had a chance to meet Pope Leo yet, but I did meet Pope Francis and obviously followed his entire pontificate.

00:11:42.000 I do notice a difference, and other commenters have said that Pope Leo, he was a friend of Pope Francis.

00:11:47.000 He served on the dicastery of bishops.

00:11:49.000 Francis appointed him a cardinal in 2023 and entrusted him with the task of selecting to help consult and select bishops all over the world.

00:11:58.000 So he had a very good relationship with Pope Francis, though commenters have said he's a bit more shy and reserved than Pope Francis was.

00:12:05.000 And I think seeing the way you might meet him, so when my wife and I met Pope Francis, we brought him a gift.

00:12:11.000 We brought a papal zucchetto to give to him as a gift to swap, to have his zucchetto. 0.96

00:12:16.000 And he made a joke and took my wife's tiara, her wedding tiara, and said, maybe I take this instead.

00:12:22.000 And he would make jokes and shoot from the hip.

00:12:25.000 And Pope Francis even said once for his papal motto, you know, I'm going to make a mess.

00:12:28.000 And he did.

00:12:29.000 He would speak from the hip often and for many good pastoral reasons to reach out to people on the margins.

00:12:34.000 But what we see with Pope Leo XIV, I would say, is really a return to form.

00:12:39.000 So Pope Francis selected a very new papal name.

00:12:42.000 He was the first ever Francis, for example.

00:12:44.000 And Pope Leo has selected Leo XIV, and he did that very intentionally.

00:12:50.000 So Pope Leo XIII was pope at the end of the 19th century, and he wrote an encyclical, Rerum Novarum, talking about how...

00:12:59.000 Literally, the encyclical is called On New Things.

00:13:02.000 You have the industrial revolution, major changes in society, dealing with factory life, demographic changes, and the Pope wanted to be there for people during these massive changes.

00:13:12.000 And Pope Leo XIV is saying the Pope needs to be there for people in the changes in the information revolution.

00:13:18.000 And in his inaugural address, for example, he said artificial intelligence is one of the major things that people have to watch out for and guard human dignity against.

00:13:26.000 So you see his use of the papal garbs, his traditional residency's chosen. 0.97

00:13:31.000 It's sort of a return to form, if you will.

00:13:33.000 I did have a very nice moment with, with the Pope in which I, But then I also said to him, I'm a lifelong White Sox fan.

00:13:48.000 He happens to be a Chicago White Sox fan because, of course, he's American.

00:13:50.000 I'm a lifelong Chicago White Sox fan.

00:13:52.000 My father and I wrote a book about the 2005 Chicago White Sox.

00:13:55.000 That's how big a fan I am.

00:13:56.000 So I brought him from my personal collection.

00:13:58.000 I had a 2005 World Series signed baseball by the entire White Sox team.

00:14:02.000 And so I told him that I was a White Sox fan.

00:14:04.000 And I said, you're Catholic, I'm Jewish, but the miracle I think we can both agree on.

00:14:08.000 He's the 2005 White Sox winning the World Series, which he appreciated.

00:14:12.000 He thought that was funny.

00:14:14.000 You can see him kind of crack a bit of a smile as he received it.

00:14:17.000 And then I think he was surprised that that was the gift that I brought to him.

00:14:20.000 And so he seemed pleased with that.

00:14:21.000 He seems like a very joyful individual, actually.

00:14:24.000 Again, humble and joyful would be the two words that I have to describe him after meeting him again quite briefly.

00:14:29.000 I hope in the future to have a chance to speak to him more broadly.

00:14:32.000 And that is something I think that...

00:14:35.000 I mean, obviously, the church has been so embroiled in controversy over the course of the last 25 years that a return to sort of stability and a return to, again, I think humility and joy would be the things that, again, I'm speaking as somebody who doesn't have a dog in the fight other than as a religious person.

00:14:51.000 I want more people to go to church, and I want more people to return to the traditions of their ancestors.

00:14:56.000 It seems to me from the outside that's exactly what the church might need.

00:14:59.000 Well, I think that Pope Leo XIV is going to continue many of the important things that Pope Francis discussed, like reaching people on the peripheries.

00:15:06.000 So when I was watching the announcement of who the pope was, I did not expect this selection.

00:15:17.000 And when they said, they were speaking in Latin, of course, and they said, Robert Provost.

00:15:20.000 And they go on and I was like, and my wife said, oh, is that the Pope?

00:15:23.000 It's got to be the guy announcing the Pope.

00:15:23.000 I said, no, no, it couldn't be.

00:15:25.000 No American's ever going to be Pope.

00:15:27.000 And then he comes out and I check online.

00:15:28.000 I'm like, oh my goodness, he's the Pope.

00:15:30.000 I never thought we'd have an American Pope because it was taboo for a while.

00:15:35.000 Similar to how back when JFK was president, people worried.

00:15:38.000 You would never have a Catholic president because what if the president's taking orders from the pope?

00:15:42.000 It's sort of the reverse problem.

00:15:43.000 People worrying that if you have an American pope, what if he's taking orders from the president or Langley and the CIA?

00:15:49.000 And so that's where people always thought you wouldn't have that.

00:15:51.000 But a cardinal serving as a priest, Father Provost, and Cardinal Provost is very different.

00:15:56.000 He was born in Chicago, so he grew up in America, went to Villanova.

00:16:00.000 He studied mathematics.

00:16:01.000 So he's a very careful—and I love that he studied mathematics for college.

00:16:05.000 So he's a rigorous, analytical thinker.

00:16:07.000 He's a careful thinker, something we really need in a pope.

00:16:10.000 But he served as a missionary priest in Peru through the 80s and 90s.

00:16:15.000 And so when Cardinal Dolan from New York, who is really lobbying for Provost as someone to be a peacemaker in the church, pointed out, yeah, you may not like having an American pope.

00:16:24.000 He was born in Chicago, but he's not just some spoiled American.

00:16:27.000 He did his time.

00:16:28.000 He spent decades in Peru, in South America.

00:16:31.000 So he's able to identify people all over the world.

00:16:34.000 He speaks five languages.

00:16:35.000 He's not your stereotypical American.

00:16:37.000 But he's able, though, to bring that American influence.

00:16:40.000 That one thing the Vatican really needs, people might, you know, But we're good at getting things done and having, you know, orderly things and getting down to business.

00:16:49.000 Like, Europeans always make fun of us for quote-unquote working too much.

00:16:52.000 Then again, we have the greatest economy in the world compared to them.

00:16:55.000 So I think he'll bring that spirit to the Vatican to overhaul the bureaucracy, help the Vatican with its financial problems.

00:17:02.000 I think it's a lot of good on the horizon with him.

00:17:04.000 Well, that's Trent Horn.

00:17:06.000 He's Catholic apologist and host of the Council of Trent podcast.

00:17:08.000 Thanks so much for the insight.

00:17:10.000 And again, it was a pretty amazing day, so I appreciate you stopping by.

00:17:13.000 Happy to.

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00:20:33.000 So you gotta do things legal, and those people that are doing illegal things in America, and they're the foreigners, they are not smart. 1.00

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00:21:37.000 Give something back to after-school programs, Special Olympics, or whatever it is.

00:21:42.000 Make this country a better place.

00:21:44.000 Now, there are a couple things about this clip that are pretty astonishing.

00:21:47.000 One is what Arnold is saying.

00:21:49.000 And people start clapping for it because it's obviously true.

00:21:51.000 And the other is that about halfway through this clip, Sonny Hostin reaches over and tries to stop Arnold from saying what he's saying.

00:21:58.000 And so, you know, what's happening here is the sort of Sonny Hostin position in trying to stop Arnold Schwarzenegger from saying what he is saying, that is mirrored by a lot of the domestic-born Americans who are trying to help out people who really don't like the country very much.

00:22:12.000 And both of these things are quite important because the truth is that the West has, in fact, imported An extraordinary number of people who hate our civilization, who do not like our values, who do not like biblical values or Western values or anything like it.

00:22:24.000 One of those people currently sits in Congress.

00:22:26.000 This will be Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat of Minnesota.

00:22:29.000 So I was curious about the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ilhan Omar in terms of when...

00:22:37.000 So, of course, I went to our sponsors and my friends over perplexity and I asked, when did Schwarzenegger immigrate to America and when did Ilhan Omar immigrate to America?

00:22:43.000 Schwarzenegger immigrated to the United States in October 1968 at the age of 21. He moved from Austria to pursue opportunities in bodybuilding, arriving in the U.S. with limited English skills and quickly establishing himself in the bodybuilding community in L.A. It's a difference in era.

00:22:58.000 Ilhan Omar immigrated.

00:23:00.000 To the United States in 1995 after fleeing the civil war in Somalia and then spending four years in a refugee camp in Kenya.

00:23:08.000 In 1968, if you came to the United States, you were expected, like you had been for the vast majority of American history, to actually assimilate to American values.

00:23:15.000 It doesn't mean give up your home religion or your home foods.

00:23:18.000 It does mean that you had to take in, imbibe from the well of American constitutional values, Anglo-American values.

00:23:27.000 These were things that you were supposed to engage with.

00:23:29.000 And then something changed in America, and it turned out that if you came here, you could be an ungrateful heriton, which is precisely what Ilhan Omar is. 0.88

00:23:37.000 She comes to the United States as a refugee from one of the worst places on Earth, simply to explain to the Americans about how we are, in fact, becoming the worst place on Earth. 1.00

00:23:45.000 So here's Representative Ilhan Omar, who is yet to identify an Islamist terror group that she does not have some sympathy for, talking about how America is actually the worst place on Earth, or one of them.

00:23:56.000 To be coming out of our country, I mean, I grew up in a dictatorship.

00:24:03.000 And I don't even remember ever witnessing anything like that.

00:24:07.000 To have a democracy, a pecan of hope for the world to now be turned into one of the worst.

00:24:18.000 countries where the military are in our streets without any regard for people's constitutional rights, while our president is spending millions of dollars prompting himself up like a failed dictator with a military parade.

00:24:36.000 Okay, so, we're becoming one of the worst places on earth, according to a woman who came from Somalia, because President Trump had a military parade. 0.54

00:24:42.000 But this goes deeper than that for Ilhan Omar.

00:24:44.000 Of course, there's not much about traditional American values that she does like.

00:24:47.000 She is constantly sounding off about the evils of American colonialism, American capitalism.

00:24:53.000 A group of people have been brought to our shores over the course of the last 50-60 years who really despise the country. 1.00

00:25:00.000 And that is one half of the equation.

00:25:02.000 Not immigrants like Arnold Schwarzenegger who came here to, as he says, become part of the civilization to enjoy the fruits of it and to give something back.

00:25:11.000 But who came here in order to complain about how terrible our civilization is and to change it from within.

00:25:16.000 That is one half of one of the big problems with the United States right now.

00:25:19.000 And the other part of this is people like Sonny Hostin sitting next to Arnold Schwarzenegger and telling him not to say the unsayable.

00:25:25.000 And also legislators like Sonny Hostin, people like Brad Lander.

00:25:29.000 So Brad Lander you never heard of.

00:25:31.000 Brad Lander is the New York City comptroller.

00:25:34.000 He's a candidate for mayor and he's desperate for attention.

00:25:37.000 Desperate, desperate for attention because the entire Democratic Party at this point being prone before the Republican Party.

00:25:43.000 The only way they feel they can get ahead is through attention-seeking behavior.

00:25:46.000 That is the entire shtick right now.

00:25:48.000 So Bradlander just got himself arrested on Tuesday by federal agents.

00:25:53.000 Why?

00:25:54.000 Well, he went to an immigration courthouse in Lower Manhattan as he tried to escort a migrant whom agents were seeking to arrest.

00:26:03.000 So he was observing proceedings at a city's main immigration courthouse.

00:26:07.000 And a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security said Lander had assaulted and impeded a law enforcement officer.

00:26:14.000 Apparently, Lander was standing by a migrant man in a hallway on the 12th floor when several men in plainclothes, who appear to be law enforcement officers, some wearing masks, pushed past a crowd in the hallway to arrest the migrant.

00:26:24.000 Lander asks the agents whether they have a judicial warrant and then refuses to let go of the migrant as the agents seek to shepherd the man toward the elevators.

00:26:32.000 And Lander continues to grab the migrant.

00:26:35.000 He says you don't have the authority to arrest U.S. citizens.

00:26:37.000 But apparently this person is not, in fact, a U.S. citizen.

00:26:40.000 He said, I'm not obstructing.

00:26:41.000 I'm standing right here in the hallway.

00:26:42.000 I asked to see the judicial warrant.

00:26:43.000 Here's the video.

00:26:44.000 You have a judicial work.

00:26:48.000 Keep going.

00:26:49.000 Now, there's only one problem here.

00:26:51.000 He is legally wrong, by the way.

00:26:53.000 Agents don't actually need judicial warrants to make arrests in immigration courts because those are public spaces, according to immigration lawyers.

00:27:00.000 Lander was then arrested for several hours, and then he was released publicly.

00:27:04.000 And then he said, don't worry.

00:27:05.000 Well, it wasn't a premeditated publicity stunt.

00:27:08.000 Well, yes, it certainly was.

00:27:10.000 And again, it goes to this attitude in the United States by many on the left that we ought to be actively facilitating the law-breaking of people who come here and don't respect our laws.

00:27:18.000 That is the Joy Behar comparison.

00:27:20.000 The good Americans who stand in the way of people saying, hey, maybe you ought to follow the law in the United States.

00:27:27.000 Maybe this performative nonsense actually makes the country a worse place.

00:27:30.000 And this is what the Democratic Party has decided.

00:27:33.000 is going to be its form of resistance right now.

00:27:35.000 So their No Kings rallies were a gigantic fail.

00:27:37.000 They're trying to claim that millions of people showed up.

00:27:39.000 I kind of doubt it.

00:27:40.000 They're claiming it was the single biggest 50-state rally.

00:27:43.000 Did you notice one of these No Kings rallies over the weekend, unless you were in Washington, D.C., New York, or L.A.?

00:27:48.000 I really doubt it.

00:27:50.000 But again, it's all about attention-seeking.

00:27:51.000 So five Democrats have now gotten themselves arrested in recent weeks in an attempt to garner publicity for themselves.

00:27:57.000 Lander is only one of them.

00:27:58.000 Another one, of course, is Senator Alex Padilla.

00:28:01.000 He is the California senator who is so anonymous that he walked into a press conference with Kristi Noem, the Secretary of Homeland Security, demanding that she answer his questions and trying to muscle past FBI agents.

00:28:12.000 And then he was forced out of the room and briefly detained before being released.

00:28:16.000 And now he considers himself a human rights hero of some sort.

00:28:20.000 So he, of course, took to the well of the Senate to explain that Donald Trump is a tyrant because of that one time that he tried to bust into a press conference as a sort of rando.

00:28:30.000 And then got manhandled.

00:28:33.000 Now throughout this country's history, we've had conflict, we've had tumult, but we've never had a tyrant as a commander-in-chief.

00:28:44.000 And that is not by coincidence.

00:28:47.000 It's because the American people have always been willing to speak up and exercise their First Amendment right to protest.

00:28:57.000 Especially when our fundamental rights have been threatened.

00:29:01.000 So, he, too, is a performative hero.

00:29:04.000 What's the fundamental right that is being threatened?

00:29:07.000 What's the fundamental right that's being threatened here?

00:29:09.000 Seriously.

00:29:10.000 Illegally immigrating to the United States?

00:29:12.000 Or maybe the fundamental right is randomly breaking into other people's press conferences without announcing who you are beforehand and getting clearance.

00:29:12.000 That's the fundamental?

00:29:19.000 You can't do that at any sort of public press conference with a major official in the United States at all.

00:29:24.000 But it's all performative.

00:29:26.000 It's all just performative nonsense.

00:29:29.000 Meanwhile, speaking of people who facilitate lawbreaking in order to make a point, the Joy Behar's of elected politics, Chuck Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader, he was asked about violence at these anti-ICE rallies, and he just refused to comment on it.

00:29:44.000 Senator, do you denounce the violence you're seeing at the ICE protests in Los Angeles?

00:29:52.000 The destruction of federal property.

00:29:54.000 They're throwing things at ICE agents, sir.

00:29:55.000 Okay, bye.

00:29:59.000 See you later.

00:30:00.000 And again, this is all sort of an astonishing unwillingness to deal with the reality.

00:30:05.000 If you wish to have a functioning, cohesive civilization, you have to have rules that everyone abides by.

00:30:09.000 You have to have a culture that everyone integrates into.

00:30:11.000 And that doesn't mean everybody is the same, everybody's a widget.

00:30:14.000 That's not what we're talking about at all.

00:30:16.000 What we're talking about is a baseline set of common rules that apply to everyone.

00:30:20.000 And the left seems to be...

00:30:21.000 Ramming away at all of those rules.

00:30:23.000 That is the only explanation I can find for the fact that New York City is now considering the election of State Assemblyman Zoran Mamdani to mayor of the city.

00:30:33.000 That's insane.

00:30:34.000 The polls are currently suggesting, according to the Washington Post, a squeaky tight race for the Democratic nomination between former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and State Assemblyman Zoran Mamdani.

00:30:44.000 Okay, now, Cuomo obviously has his own problems.

00:30:47.000 He's the former governor of the state of New York.

00:30:49.000 He comes from the Cuomo family.

00:30:51.000 This sort of heritage and family name, but he was ousted as the governor over a grabbing-ass scandal that followed hard on a scandal in which he essentially stashed all the old people who had COVID together, and many of them died.

00:31:07.000 Well, now he's running for mayor again, and he has somehow become the moderate candidate and the voice of reason in this race, somehow, as opposed to Mamdani, who's a full-scale socialist.

00:31:17.000 As we talked about last week on the show, Mamdani is now running almost dead even with Cuomo in the Democratic primaries.

00:31:22.000 Those are scheduled to take place next week.

00:31:24.000 And according to this Washington Post columnist, the momentum is with the 33-year-old Mamdani, partly thanks to his viral videos, but also reflecting the exhaustion engendered by the idea of a Cuomo restoration.

00:31:36.000 So, again, there's a bunch of candidates in this race.

00:31:40.000 It is ranked choice voting, which makes it a little bit more complicated, for sure.

00:31:43.000 The New York Times is freaking out so much about the fact that Mamdani might win, and they dislike Cuomo so much, they decline to endorse a candidate.

00:31:51.000 That's how bad things are in the city of New York.

00:31:55.000 Nonetheless, this speaks to the radicalism of the Democratic Party, truly a radical Democratic Party, that is thinking of taking a full-scale communist and making that guy mayor.

00:32:07.000 Chicago already did this, by the way.

00:32:09.000 I should point out that Mayor Brandon Johnson, who's the mayor of Chicago, I believe it's a 9% approval rating.

00:32:14.000 He's currently attempting to hand out racial reparations in the city of Chicago, like slavery reparations in the city of Chicago.

00:32:21.000 That is the spirit of Juneteenth, you all.

00:32:24.000 It is about reflecting on our past.

00:32:27.000 Other cultures are taught to never forget.

00:32:31.000 We need to be reminded as blacks here in Chicago and America, remembering our past and working towards a more just future, investing in black.

00:32:41.000 is not a criminal act.

00:32:49.000 Sister Sakia says she needs a witness, so I'm going to say it again.

00:32:55.000 Investing in black is not a criminal act.

00:32:58.000 So I just have a question.

00:33:01.000 Is this what New York wants?

00:33:03.000 Apparently New York may want something similar.

00:33:06.000 Already coming up, the Supreme Court makes a huge decision.

00:33:09.000 That is a big win for Matt Walsh and The Daily Wire and for kids across the country first.

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00:34:13.000 Alrighty, meanwhile, a major decision against radicalism by the Supreme Court coming down in the United States versus Scrametti.

00:34:20.000 This particular decision, which came out today, concerns a law in Tennessee banning certain medical care for transgender minors, meaning hormone treatments, sterilization surgeries, and all of the rest.

00:34:32.000 The claim was this violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, which is totally insane.

00:34:37.000 Obviously, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment was not meant to ensure that a 12-year-old girl could be shot filled with testosterone and then have her breasts hacked off at a particular age.

00:34:45.000 That was not what the founders of the 14th Amendment were.

00:34:48.000 Now, Matt Walsh, obviously, a major host here, was involved.

00:34:52.000 It's a big victory for Matt.

00:34:53.000 It's a big victory, obviously, for the rational side of this argument.

00:34:57.000 It says that boys cannot be girls.

00:34:58.000 Girls cannot be boys. 0.95

00:35:00.000 Our company has been deeply involved in this issue for a long time, including Matt's uncovering of the use of transgender hormone treatment at places like Vanderbilt University.

00:35:10.000 So it's a big win for Matt.

00:35:12.000 It's a big win for Daily Wire and for all rational people here.

00:35:15.000 This is a 6-3 decision.

00:35:17.000 The decision was written by Chief Justice Roberts.

00:35:20.000 And what Chief Justice Roberts found is that, again, the Tennessee law did not, in fact, violate the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

00:35:30.000 And his logic is fairly simple.

00:35:32.000 Essentially, he says that SB 1, the first in the Senate Bill 1, bans the use of certain medical procedures for treating transgender minors, in particular.

00:35:41.000 The law prohibits a healthcare provider from surgically removing, modifying, altering, or entering into tissues, cavities, or organs of a human being, or prescribing, administering, or dispensing any puberty blocker or hormone for the purpose of 1. Enabling a minor to identify with or live as a purported identity inconsistent with the minor sex, or 2. Treating purported discomfort or distress from a discordance between the minor sex and asserted identity.

00:36:03.000 SB1 is limited in two relevant ways.

00:36:05.000 First, it does not restrict the administration of puberty blockers or hormones to individuals 18 and over, so it's for minors. 0.82

00:36:11.000 Which means that, again, you're not going to enter into a sort of more heightened scrutiny from the Supreme Court.

00:36:16.000 Second, SB1 does not ban fully the administration of such drugs to minors.

00:36:21.000 A healthcare provider may administer puberty blockers or hormones to treat a minor's congenital defect, precocious puberty, disease, or physical injury.

00:36:30.000 So, does this violate the Equal Protection Clause?

00:36:34.000 Says Chief Justice Roberts, no, it does not.

00:36:37.000 The Fourteenth Amendment's command that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws must coexist with the practical necessity that most legislation classifies for one purpose or another, with resulting disadvantage to various groups or persons.

00:36:50.000 We have reconciled the principle of equal protection with the reality of legislative classification by holding that, quote, if a law neither burdens a fundamental right nor targets a suspect class, we will uphold the legislative classification so long as it bears a rational relation to some legitimate end.

00:37:05.000 There are certain legislative classifications that prompt heightened review, so that would be any classification on the basis of race, alienage, national origin.

00:37:15.000 Sex-based classifications also warn heightened scrutiny.

00:37:19.000 However, that does not apply to transgenderism.

00:37:22.000 It does not classify on any basis that warrant heightened review.

00:37:26.000 As Chief Justice Roberts says, he says, So again, mere reference to sex is not sufficient to trigger heightened scrutiny.

00:37:45.000 So again, this is the broad decision by the court here.

00:37:48.000 Now, what's fascinating about this is Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who's been ripped up and down by some members of the right... 0.99

00:37:57.000 Again, that's typically not how constitutional law works.

00:37:59.000 There are certain justices who just turn to the left and stay to the left.

00:38:04.000 They start off on the right, supposedly, and then they turn to the left and they stay there.

00:38:07.000 That would be, for example, Justice Souter, appointed by George H.W. Bush.

00:38:10.000 And Justice Souter ends up flipping all the way over to the left and just staying on the left.

00:38:16.000 Anthony Kennedy.

00:38:17.000 He moved to the left on left-wing issues, on social issues, and sort of stayed there.

00:38:21.000 On procedural issues, he ended up in a more moderate place, but on left-wing social issues, he ended up on the left.

00:38:27.000 That is not the case with Amy Coney Barrett.

00:38:28.000 So Amy Coney Barrett wrote a concurrence in this case with Justice Thomas, who is, again, the most conservative justice on the court, also the best justice on the court, never gets his due, absolutely tremendous.

00:38:38.000 Love me some Clarence Thomas.

00:38:40.000 He's awesome.

00:38:41.000 So the concurrence says, because the court concludes that Tennessee's Senate Bill 1 does not classify on the basis of transgender status, It does not resolve whether transgender status constitutes a suspect class.

00:38:51.000 I write separately to explain why, in my view, it does not.

00:38:54.000 So the court doesn't actually say whether transgender status would mean that you have a classification that is protected by, for example, the Civil Rights Act.

00:39:04.000 Barrett and Thomas are saying no.

00:39:05.000 That's not a thing.

00:39:08.000 Says Justice Barrett, joined by Justice Thomas, as a practical necessity, most legislation classifies for one purpose or another.

00:39:15.000 Laws distribute benefits that advantage particular groups like in-state tuition for residents, draw lines that might seem arbitrary like income thresholds for means tested benefits and set rules for specific categories of people like a particular person.

00:39:27.000 Again, this is obviously true.

00:39:33.000 There are age distinctions in the law.

00:39:35.000 There are, in fact, sex distinctions in the law, depending on what the law is.

00:39:39.000 There are certainly income distinctions in the law.

00:39:42.000 Instead, as a general matter, laws are presumed to be constitutionally valid.

00:39:46.000 A legislative classification will be upheld so long as it bears a rational relation to some legitimate end.

00:39:51.000 The only exceptions to the rule are classifications based on race, sex, and alienage.

00:39:56.000 Racial and ethnic classifications receive strict scrutiny.

00:39:58.000 They have to be narrowly tailored to serve compelling government interests.

00:40:03.000 Laws distinguishing between men and women receive what's called intermediate scrutiny.

00:40:06.000 So they have to be substantially related to achieving an important governmental objective.

00:40:11.000 There is no other protected group.

00:40:13.000 To determine whether a group constitutes a suspect class akin to race or sex, a test is applied, derived from a famous footnote in United States v.

00:40:23.000 Caroline Products.

00:40:24.000 That is a case from 1938.

00:40:27.000 Incredibly famous in constitutional law circuits.

00:40:30.000 Basically, that case suggests that prejudice against what are called discrete and insular minorities might be barred by the Constitution, or at the very least, That would lead to a suspicion that would violate the Equal Protection Clause.

00:40:42.000 So, in determining whether there is a discrete and insular minority here, says Justice Barrett, we consider whether members of the group in question, quote, exhibit obvious, immutable, or distinguishing characteristics that define them as a discrete group, whether the group has, quote, as a historical matter, been subjected to discrimination, and whether the group is a minority or politically powerless.

00:41:00.000 The test is strict, as evidenced by the failure of even vulnerable groups to satisfy it.

00:41:05.000 We've held the mentally disabled, the elderly, and the poor are not in fact suspect classes.

00:41:09.000 In fact, as Coney Barrett says, as far as I can tell, we have never embraced a new suspect class under this test.

00:41:16.000 Our restraint reflects a principle that when social or economic legislation is at issue, the Equal Protection Clause allows the state's wide latitude.

00:41:25.000 The Sixth Circuit has already found that transgender individuals don't constitute a suspect class, and it was right to do so. 0.95

00:41:31.000 First of all, transgender status is not marked by obvious immutable or distinguishing characteristics.

00:41:35.000 How do we know?

00:41:36.000 Because people can switch back and forth.

00:41:38.000 You can say you're transgender today and not be transgender tomorrow with exactly the same body. 0.95

00:41:44.000 Nor is the transgender population a discrete group.

00:41:47.000 The category of transgender individuals is large, diverse, and amorphous. 1.00

00:41:52.000 Finally, holding that transgender people constitute a suspect class would require courts to oversee all manner of policy choices normally committed to legislative discretion, says, The concurrence here from Coney Barrett and Thomas.

00:42:03.000 The parties agree the states have a legitimate interest in regulating health care.

00:42:06.000 They also agree that transgender status implicates physical and mental health. 0.54

00:42:11.000 The question of how to regulate a medical condition like gender dysphoria involves a host of policy judgments that legislatures, not courts, are best equipped to make.

00:42:18.000 Like, what are the relevant risks and benefits to children of puberty blockers and hormone treatments?

00:42:22.000 What is the age where these treatments become appropriate?

00:42:25.000 What about surgeries?

00:42:26.000 Expert disagreements highlight the difficulty of such choices, and the idea that a court is supposed to do it is wrong.

00:42:33.000 So this is a shot across the bow of the entire trans movement, not just in the judgment, but also in the concurrence here that basically says, stop saying that you are a protected class.

00:42:42.000 You are not, in fact, a protected class.

00:42:46.000 Justice Alito also has a concurrence in this case.

00:42:49.000 He says, I would assume for the sake of argument the law classifies based on transgender status.

00:42:53.000 I would nevertheless sustain the law.

00:42:55.000 Because such a classification does not warrant heightened scrutiny.

00:42:59.000 He also suggests that the reasoning employed in Bostock v.

00:43:03.000 Clayton County, that of course the 2020 case in which Justice Gorsuch bizarrely decided that classifications based on sex under the Civil Rights Act also include transgenderism as a possibility for discrimination.

00:43:16.000 He says, well, that is wrong anyway.

00:43:20.000 So again, there's a major win for people who have any semblance of reason.

00:43:24.000 The left is very upset today about all this.

00:43:26.000 Justice Sotomayor issues one of her usual perturbed missives, complete with garbled logic and nonsense.

00:43:33.000 She was joined by Justice Jackson, and Justice Kagan joined in part of this opinion as well.

00:43:41.000 Remember, we were this close.

00:43:42.000 We were this close.

00:43:43.000 If Donald Trump had never been president of the United States, we would have ended up with a left-wing court suggesting That's how close we were on this one.

00:43:56.000 We should never forget that.

00:43:58.000 Reason and irrationality.

00:44:01.000 That line in electoral politics is incredibly thin.

00:44:04.000 And elections have serious consequences.

00:44:07.000 This is one of the best consequences of President Trump's first term.

00:44:10.000 I assume that in his second term, he will also appoint, if there are new openings, excellent judges to the federal courts or to the Supreme Court.

00:44:18.000 Joining me on the line is my friend Matt Walsh.

00:44:20.000 Of course, you know him from his extraordinarily popular and successful documentaries, Am I Racist?

00:44:25.000 and What is a Woman? 1.00

00:44:26.000 He also has been, perhaps, America's leader in the fight against the radical trans agenda, particularly the attempts to surgically and hormonally mutilate children. 0.98

00:44:36.000 Today, of course, the Supreme Court came down with a 6-3 ruling in the United States v.

00:44:39.000 Scrimetti that said a Tennessee law was pushed by Matt that bars all of these pseudo-healthcare providers from providing this sort of mutilation of children.

00:44:49.000 Matt, first of all, happy birthday.

00:44:50.000 Second of all, congratulations.

00:44:52.000 It's a pretty good birthday gift from the Supreme Court.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, you know, most people know I'm skeptical of birthdays. 0.95

00:44:57.000 I'm not big on birthdays, so I feel like a hypocrite saying this.

00:45:02.000 But it does feel like a wonderful birthday present.

00:45:04.000 More importantly, of course, it's a great gift and win for all the kids in this state and states across the country that will now be protected from this kind of butchery.

00:45:17.000 You know, I think all the way back to, I guess, three years ago now when we launched our investigation into the child butchering practices of Vanderbilt and followed that up with the big rally on the state and the state capitol.

00:45:30.000 And then our lawmakers in the state followed that with their law banning the practices.

00:45:34.000 And, you know, dozens of other states have followed suit since then.

00:45:38.000 were a couple of states that already had laws like this on the books before us.

00:45:41.000 And it's kind of funny, because for the last couple of years, I've been hearing from trans activists who don't, don't don't want to don't want to acknowledge There are many realities they don't want to acknowledge, and they certainly don't want to acknowledge what time it is right now and what the scorecard is.

00:45:59.000 And so they've been very confident that, well, it's not going to survive the courts.

00:46:05.000 So you guys have fun with all your little laws, but the courts will save us, because of course left-wing activists have grown accustomed to that, that the courts always do save them.

00:46:14.000 But that wasn't the case.

00:46:17.000 This time.

00:46:18.000 And because it's, look, you don't have to be conservative to get this one right.

00:46:26.000 And the Supreme Court, their decision was not that, you know, it was not a decision saying that we have to ban these practices across the country.

00:46:36.000 Although I think that decision would have been perfectly justified.

00:46:39.000 Because it does violate the human rights of children to do this.

00:46:42.000 But the decision was just, no, well, of course states have the right to regulate these, to make laws dealing with these kinds of practices.

00:46:52.000 And so that means that, of course, not just Tennessee, but these dozens of other states that have these laws, it will be upheld for them.

00:46:59.000 And that also means that after we're done popping the champagne and celebrating the victory, which we should do, it's a good thing to celebrate victories.

00:47:06.000 But as soon as we're done doing that, have one glass of champagne, put it down, and then let's get to work on the next step, which is banning it federally, banning it nationwide.

00:47:15.000 Matt, I'm not sure how much time you had to actually read the decision.

00:47:18.000 It's a fairly long decision.

00:47:19.000 If you include all of the concurrences and the dissents, it's something like 118 pages.

00:47:23.000 But the chief, his opinion, avoids, as usual, Chief Justice Roberts avoids one of the bottom line questions here by trying to find a way around it, which is whether, in fact, In a concurrence,

00:47:51.000 Justices Barrett and Thomas both say that this is not a protected class.

00:47:55.000 There is no such thing as a class of transgenders because that is a mutable class. 1.00

00:47:58.000 It is not an immutable characteristic.

00:48:00.000 People can be trans one day and not trans the next. 0.99

00:48:02.000 It's a shifting, moving definition, a case that you've made really persuasively.

00:48:06.000 Obviously, I think the concurrence is right.

00:48:09.000 I think there are a lot of people on the right who have been disappointed so far with Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

00:48:13.000 They've been characterizing her as a liberal. 0.97

00:48:16.000 That is not the way courts work typically.

00:48:18.000 There are certain justices who move to the left and stay to the left.

00:48:20.000 Justice Souter being one.

00:48:21.000 But it's actually fairly rare, especially Trump appointees.

00:48:26.000 Even the ones you disagree with some of the time, you end up agreeing with 85 percent of the time.

00:48:30.000 This kind of labeling of Justice Amy Coney Barrett is a wild leftist.

00:48:32.000 It's hard to say that after you read the concurrence with Justice Thomas, the most consistently conservative member of the Supreme Court.

00:48:38.000 Yeah, I think, look, I obviously don't agree with every decision that she's made or the Supreme Court has made.

00:48:44.000 But I will say that it says something about this Supreme Court that I – The idea that they would find that Tennessee doesn't have the right to pass this kind of law was just, I found to be.

00:49:04.000 I wasn't worried about it.

00:49:05.000 I'm worried about a lot of things, and I'm pretty pessimistic, as I know you could be as well.

00:49:09.000 But on this one, I was pretty confident, very confident, in fact, the entire time, which I think should tell you something.

00:49:19.000 So, Matt, you've mentioned the possibility of other states doing this.

00:49:22.000 And then there's another possibility, which is Republicans do control the Congress.

00:49:26.000 They do control the Congress of the United States.

00:49:28.000 And so, while it would have to presumably overcome a filibuster, it seems absolutely worthwhile to me to have Republicans push this in the House and Senate.

00:49:35.000 Force people on record defending child mutilation tactics.

00:49:38.000 If you're a Democrat and you want to filibuster that, man, go ahead.

00:49:41.000 Try that.

00:49:42.000 See how that works out for you electorally.

00:49:45.000 Exactly.

00:49:45.000 Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has a bill on this right now and protecting kids from these procedures.

00:49:53.000 It's an absolute win.

00:49:55.000 This is, I mean, you talk about an 80-20 issue.

00:49:58.000 This is probably a 95-5 issue, if not more than that.

00:50:01.000 Because, you know, when you look at the polls, it's, But then there's even a small minority of people who will say to the pollster that, yes, I'm in favor of castrating children.

00:50:15.000 But even a lot of people that will say that, they're only saying that because they think that they have to say it.

00:50:19.000 How many people actually think it's a good idea to chemically castrate a child?

00:50:23.000 I think that number is very, very, very, very small.

00:50:26.000 So it's a winning issue.

00:50:28.000 It's the right thing to do, and it's a political winner.

00:50:31.000 And any time you have those two things lining up, the right thing and a political winner, there's absolutely no reason to do it.

00:50:38.000 But it's a small window of time that we have.

00:50:42.000 We have right now, when we have Congress and we have the White House.

00:50:47.000 And you have to take advantage of it.

00:50:49.000 You have to do it.

00:50:49.000 And as you say, let the Democrats get up there and make their argument about why we have to continue chemically castrating children.

00:50:58.000 Let them do it.

00:50:59.000 Let me tell you right now, that's not an argument they want to make.

00:51:02.000 This is not a fight they want to have.

00:51:03.000 This is not a discussion they want to have.

00:51:05.000 They're absolutely terrified of it.

00:51:06.000 So they are hoping they are hoping that Republicans just for whatever reason back off and take the Supreme Court victory as like the final.

00:51:19.000 The last thing they want is to actually have to stand up there and argue in favor of this butchery.

00:51:27.000 They don't want to have to do it.

00:51:29.000 This is politics.

00:51:31.000 Think about what your opponents don't want you to do, and then do that.

00:51:35.000 Do the thing they don't want you to do.

00:51:37.000 That's a pretty good rule of thumb.

00:51:39.000 It will rarely fail you, and I don't think it'll fail you here.

00:51:43.000 Well, Matt Walsh, congratulations again.

00:51:45.000 I think congratulations to Daily Wire.

00:51:47.000 We've obviously been pushing on this issue for an awful long time.

00:51:50.000 And again, I know you don't like birthdays because you're not responsible for your own birth, but take the win.

00:51:54.000 Take the birthday gift.

00:51:55.000 Happy birthday.

00:51:56.000 And again, congratulations, Matt.

00:51:57.000 Thanks, Ben.

00:51:58.000 Appreciate it.

00:52:00.000 Meanwhile, there's some brand new polling out about President Trump and Israel and Iran.

00:52:05.000 And for all those who are saying the Republican Party is split over this, I don't see that in the polling.

00:52:09.000 I don't.

00:52:10.000 The only controversial question in the Republican Party is one that no one is asking, which is, should the United States be involved in full-scale nation-building in Iran?

00:52:17.000 And the answer to that question is no.

00:52:19.000 The United States should not be involved in full-scale nation-building in Iran.

00:52:22.000 I am saying this, okay?

00:52:24.000 So all the people who are telling you that folks like me are saying there should be full-scale nation-building in Iran by the United States, the answer is no.

00:52:30.000 I want no part of this.

00:52:31.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:52:33.000 What Israel is doing right now is unprecedented.

00:52:35.000 It's excellent.

00:52:36.000 It is ending the Iranian nuclear program as it currently stands.

00:52:39.000 If the United States drops a couple of bunker busters on Fordow, thus ending the Iranian nuclear program for good, that's the extent of it.

00:52:49.000 I'm not interested in American boots on the ground. 1.00

00:52:51.000 I'm not interested in American regime change and regime building.

00:52:54.000 If the Iranian regime falls, it's up to the Iranian people to fix it. 0.99

00:52:57.000 I never bought the sort of Colin Powell, you break it, you bought it model.

00:53:02.000 This bizarre notion that what anyone is calling for here, aside from perhaps Lindsey Graham, Is a full-scale nation-building campaign?

00:53:10.000 Who is calling for that?

00:53:11.000 The answer is no one.

00:53:11.000 And if the position here is, should the United States follow President Trump and drop a couple of bunker busters, a couple of Moabs, on Fordow to thus end the Iranian nuclear program, by polling data, that is a highly popular position with Trump voters.

00:53:26.000 There's a poll from Greyhouse among Trump 2024 voters.

00:53:30.000 These are people who 95% to 5% approve of President Trump as president.

00:53:36.000 And they've been asked a series of questions about America, Iran, Israel.

00:53:40.000 Do you support or oppose Israel's recent military strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and military targets?

00:53:45.000 67% strongly support.

00:53:48.000 16% somewhat support.

00:53:50.000 That's 83%.

00:53:51.000 Only 10% somewhat opposed.

00:53:53.000 That's plus 73. That is not a broken party on this matter.

00:54:04.000 Intelligence agencies believe this could be used to develop nuclear weapons.

00:54:07.000 How concerned are you about Iran potentially obtaining nuclear weapons?

00:54:10.000 74%, very concerned, somewhat concerned, 15%.

00:54:13.000 Okay, that would be 89%.

00:54:17.000 Which of the following statements comes closer to your opinion about Iran developing nuclear weapons?

00:54:22.000 1. Iran developing nuclear weapons is an existential threat to the United States and our allies that must be stopped. 0.70

00:54:27.000 Two, Iran developing nuclear weapons is concerning but not worth risking American lives for getting involved in another Middle East war.

00:54:33.000 And again, even that question is phrased in such a way that it's sort of biased to the anti-position.

00:54:38.000 Because what we're talking about is not the idea that America should heavily risk American lives here.

00:54:44.000 We'll talk about the possible blowback of an airstrike in a moment.

00:54:47.000 Iran, of course, is threatening hell and fury like nobody's business. 1.00

00:54:50.000 They've been doing this all the time.

00:54:52.000 This is nothing new.

00:54:53.000 And Iran is constantly threatening terror attacks all over the world in order to get done what it's trying to get done. 0.92

00:54:59.000 No great country can be held hostage by a terror-sponsored state threatening action if you do something to oppose its nuclear ambitions.

00:55:07.000 Otherwise, you may as well just let every terrorist state get a nuclear weapon.

00:55:11.000 And Iran threatens a lot. 0.99

00:55:13.000 And sometimes those threats actually happen.

00:55:15.000 The question is, can any...

00:55:23.000 Is that something that you want or not?

00:55:25.000 Okay, so, by the way, the answer there was 64% say that Iran's developing nukes is an existential threat that must be stopped.

00:55:31.000 Only 28% say that it's concerning but not worth risking American lives or getting involved in another Middle East war.

00:55:37.000 And again, what we're talking about in terms of involvement here, by pretty much all available accounts, is, in the grand scheme of things, more akin to the killing of Qasem Soleimani than the invasion of Iraq.

00:55:48.000 Which of the following statements comes closer to your view about dealing with Iran's nuclear program?

00:55:54.000 Do you believe the United States should provide military support to help Israel defend against Iranian attacks?

00:56:13.000 48%.

00:56:14.000 Yes, definitely should.

00:56:16.000 24%.

00:56:17.000 Yes, probably should.

00:56:18.000 That is 72%.

00:56:20.000 Okay, do these sound like numbers that are wildly split?

00:56:23.000 It's a giant split right down the middle of the MAGA movement.

00:56:27.000 Do you support or oppose the U.S. providing defensive weapon systems like missile defense to help Israel protect itself?

00:56:32.000 68% strongly support.

00:56:34.000 18% somewhat support.

00:56:37.000 Again, just adding up, that's an 86% approval rating.

00:56:42.000 Do you support or oppose the United States providing intelligence?

00:56:45.000 76% strongly support, 15% somewhat support.

00:56:48.000 So 91% support.

00:56:51.000 Do you support or oppose the United States taking its own direct military action if necessary to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons? 0.76

00:56:59.000 Strongly support, 35% somewhat support, 37%.

00:57:02.000 Again, that is 72% approval.

00:57:05.000 Only 19% say no.

00:57:11.000 I'm not seeing it.

00:57:12.000 You know who else isn't seeing it?

00:57:13.000 President Trump.

00:57:14.000 So President Trump did a presser today.

00:57:16.000 Took a bunch of questions on what's going on.

00:57:19.000 And he was asked, are you going to strike?

00:57:20.000 Are you going to use B2s or B52s? 0.89

00:57:22.000 What are you going to do here?

00:57:23.000 He said, I might do it.

00:57:25.000 I might not do it.

00:57:25.000 Again, strategic ambiguity.

00:57:27.000 The goal here is to get Iran to simply capitulate.

00:57:30.000 That is what President Trump wants to do.

00:57:31.000 I've been saying this for days.

00:57:33.000 If President Trump gets the Iranians to say, listen, we will let you in to blow up Fordow. 1.00

00:57:38.000 And then we'll let American inspectors on the ground to examine all of our nuclear program and all the rest?

00:57:43.000 This is over, like, this minute.

00:57:45.000 President Trump would love that.

00:57:47.000 But he says, listen, I'm not taking options off the table right now. 0.93

00:57:50.000 That's silly.

00:57:52.000 You don't seriously think I'm going to answer that question.

00:57:55.000 Will you strike the Iranian nuclear component?

00:57:59.000 And what time exactly, sir?

00:58:01.000 Sir, would you strike it?

00:58:02.000 Would you please inform us so we can be there and watch?

00:58:05.000 I mean, you don't know that I'm going to even do it.

00:58:08.000 You don't know.

00:58:08.000 I may do it.

00:58:09.000 I may not do it.

00:58:10.000 I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do.

00:58:12.000 The president's enjoying himself now.

00:58:14.000 This is good TV for the president of the United States.

00:58:16.000 And by the way, it also happens to be good policy.

00:58:18.000 He's playing his very strong hand incredibly well.

00:58:21.000 Israel has done an extraordinary amount of work over the course of the last few days.

00:58:25.000 This is a graphic of the number of missile strikes that have been sent by Iran, or missiles that have been sent by Iran over the course of the last few weeks.

00:58:35.000 Last few nights.

00:58:36.000 As you can see, radical decrease.

00:58:38.000 Why?

00:58:38.000 Because Israel is blowing up all the missile launchers in Iran.

00:58:42.000 Israel has destroyed all air defense capacities in Iran.

00:58:46.000 President Trump acknowledges as much as, listen, it's pretty late here.

00:58:49.000 There is a big difference between now and a week ago.

00:58:53.000 Have Iranians reached out to you?

00:58:55.000 Yes.

00:58:57.000 I said it's very late.

00:58:59.000 You know?

00:59:01.000 I said it's very late to be talking.

00:59:04.000 Mr. President, we may meet.

00:59:06.000 It's, I don't know, there's a big difference between now and a week ago, right?

00:59:11.000 Big difference.

00:59:12.000 Mr. President, you said you may meet.

00:59:14.000 Okay, well, he also said unconditional surrender.

00:59:17.000 So that's something that he had actually put out on Truth Social yesterday.

00:59:19.000 So he's asked, what do you mean by unconditional surrender?

00:59:22.000 And he says, well, you know what those words mean.

00:59:24.000 They have meanings in the language of English.

00:59:26.000 Here's what they mean.

00:59:28.000 Unconditional surrender.

00:59:31.000 Two very simple words.

00:59:33.000 Very simple.

00:59:34.000 Unconditional surrender.

00:59:35.000 That means I've had it.

00:59:37.000 I've had it.

00:59:38.000 I give up.

00:59:39.000 No more. 0.59

00:59:40.000 Then we go blow up all the nuclear stuff that's all over the place there.

00:59:45.000 No, they had bad intentions. 0.64

00:59:47.000 For 40 years they've been saying death to America, death to Israel, death to anybody else that they didn't like. 0.99

00:59:54.000 They were bullies. 0.99

00:59:56.000 They were schoolyard bullies.

00:59:59.000 And now they're not bullies anymore, but we'll see what happens.

01:00:03.000 Again, President Trump has not been consistent on this point.

01:00:06.000 This is what's amazing.

01:00:07.000 For all the people who are opposing President Trump, oh my gosh, he's betrayed MAGA, says Tucker Carlson.

01:00:11.000 Oh my gosh, says Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:00:13.000 He's moved against America first. 0.93

01:00:14.000 He, first of all, built those movements, not you.

01:00:17.000 Second of all, no, he never changed his opinion on this.

01:00:20.000 As President Trump says, he's been saying this for decades.

01:00:25.000 I only want one thing.

01:00:27.000 Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

01:00:28.000 That's it.

01:00:29.000 I'm not looking at long-term, short-term.

01:00:31.000 And I've been saying that for 20 years.

01:00:32.000 I've been saying it as a civilian who got a lot of publicity.

01:00:35.000 People would cover it.

01:00:36.000 Very simply, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

01:00:40.000 That's it.

01:00:40.000 It's not a question of anything else.

01:00:42.000 And if you did, you wouldn't have much of a country because they would use it on us and they'd use it on other people and they'd be a terror all over the world.

01:00:50.000 So I may have some people that are a little bit unhappy now.

01:00:53.000 But I have some people that are very happy, and I have people outside of the base that can't believe that this is happening.

01:00:58.000 They're so happy.

01:01:00.000 And there was a poll that just came out today that my approval rating is the highest it's ever been.

01:01:04.000 All I'm doing is saying you can't have a nuclear weapon.

01:01:07.000 And I tried to do it nicely, and then on day 61 I said, let's go.

01:01:12.000 Okay, again, he is saying things that he's been saying all along, the whole time.

01:01:18.000 He's not wrong about the polling, I just read you the polling.

01:01:20.000 So President Trump was finally asked, what does he say to the Ayatollah?

01:01:23.000 And all-time classic Trump line here.

01:01:27.000 You say good luck.

01:01:37.000 Good luck.

01:01:38.000 Man, when he's good, he is just the best.

01:01:41.000 Meanwhile, Ayatollah Khamenei, he's trying to rage-tweet through this thing.

01:01:45.000 He put out a statement this morning saying, Iran will not ignore any attack on its territory. 0.65

01:01:51.000 Its armed forces are on alert.

01:01:53.000 Oh, you mean they're not ignoring any of the, you mean like how their entire airspace is controlled?

01:01:57.000 He also put a statement saying that actually Iran controls Israel's airspace, which, um, nope!

01:02:03.000 In fact, the home front command in Israel just told people they're allowed to go back to work.

01:02:07.000 He said you can go back to like your normal life, go back to work, just, you know, be available to go to a bomb shelter if you have to.

01:02:13.000 But is that something that's been happening in Tehran or in Iran?

01:02:16.000 No, the answer is no.

01:02:18.000 Khamenei is also trying to threaten the United States as the U.S. entering in this matter is 100% to its own detriment.

01:02:23.000 The damage it will suffer will be far greater than any harm that Iran may encounter.

01:02:27.000 I mean, he's rage-tweeting that from a basement, literally a basement.

01:02:31.000 The 86-year-old Ayatollah.

01:02:33.000 Now again, this notion that what is being discussed here is another endless war.

01:02:39.000 No one, for the one millionth time, no one is calling for that.

01:02:43.000 No one.

01:02:44.000 Some things are different than other things.

01:02:46.000 This is not the Iraq War.

01:02:48.000 No one wants it to be the Iraq War. 0.89

01:02:50.000 There's a point made by State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce.

01:02:52.000 She said that the goal here is to come to the end of what has been a 40-odd-year war against the West by Ayatollah Khomeini and then Ayatollah Khomeini.

01:03:01.000 And she says that the way to end this forever war might be an airstrike or it might be Iran capitulating, but the goal is to get to the end, not to have a whole other round of nation building or anything like that.

01:03:12.000 Agree, agree, agree.

01:03:15.000 He says he wants an end, as he has said, about every conflict that he has, as a peacemaker, worked to stop peacefully through diplomacy.

01:03:25.000 That has been his commitment.

01:03:27.000 And he wants these things, as he said, about a number of situations.

01:03:32.000 Not for a month or six months, but durable ends to this nature of forever wars.

01:03:39.000 And that has been his posture, and that's his posture now.

01:03:43.000 Again, there will be excellent impact from President Trump making Iran stop its nuclear program, whether it is through negotiations at this point in ultimatum being offered and accepted by the Iranians, or whether it is the Israelis themselves destroying Fordow, or whether it is the United States doing it.

01:03:58.000 That would be good, because if you wish to prevent China from, for example, attacking Taiwan, people have to know that your threats are credible.

01:04:06.000 President Trump has said a thing.

01:04:07.000 He has set a line, and that line will now be met.

01:04:10.000 That is the goal.

01:04:12.000 This is the point of the Wall Street Journal editorial board today.

01:04:16.000 They say the isolationists say bombing Iran would be another nation-building exercise, but no one is talking about sending American ground troops.

01:04:21.000 An Israeli ground incursion is more likely if the U.S. does not bomb Fordow, meaning Israel will send some sort of strike team, which is probably accurate. 1.00

01:04:28.000 Destroying the nuclear sites could end the war sooner and at less cost in lives on both sides.

01:04:33.000 The Biden precedent is instructive here, and not merely on Afghanistan.

01:04:36.000 As Russia invaded Ukraine and Iran's Houthi proxies attacked U.S. ships, Biden's strategists shrank from a robust response because they feared quote-unquote escalation.

01:04:44.000 In practice, that meant Russia and Iran controlled when and how to escalate. 0.80

01:04:48.000 That is correct.

01:04:50.000 If the U.S. won't help one of its strongest and most loyal allies finish the job of eliminating Iran's nuclear threat in uncontested airspace, the message to Iran will be that there is no chance the United States will defend Taiwan. 0.64

01:04:59.000 That, of course, makes...

01:05:02.000 This is how deterrence works, of course.

01:05:05.000 Now, meanwhile, Democrats, people on the left, they're already mocking President Trump, suggesting that he's not credible in his threats.

01:05:13.000 Here's Stephen Colbert trying to make that claim last night.

01:05:17.000 Certain Iranian hardliners spoke bravely, but they didn't know what was about to happen.

01:05:22.000 They're all dead now, and it will only get worse.

01:05:30.000 Hold on, wait a second. 0.83

01:05:32.000 Worse?

01:05:34.000 Worse than dead?

01:05:36.000 Oh my God, is he going to invite them to his next parade?

01:05:39.000 Because...

01:05:42.000 Thank you.

01:05:46.000 He's bowing for that joke?

01:05:47.000 That's like his best joke?

01:05:48.000 Really?

01:05:49.000 Alright.

01:05:51.000 Again, so much of the opposition inside the Republican Party to Trump.

01:05:55.000 And again, it is a small voice statistically inside the Republican Party, inside the MAGA movement, that is anti-Trump on this.

01:06:02.000 Because Trump knows how to play this hand.

01:06:05.000 They say that he is out of touch.

01:06:06.000 I would like to suggest that statistically speaking, it is they who are out of touch.

01:06:11.000 Candace Owens is one of the people who suggested that President Trump was completely out of touch.

01:06:14.000 I'd like to just say, I do not think that her perspective on this particular issue is in keeping with the generalized GOP perspective.

01:06:21.000 Here is what she wrote about her take on this issue.

01:06:24.000 And you tell me if you think this is a mainstream position inside the GOP or inside MAGA or from the Trump White House or anyone inside the Trump White House.

01:06:31.000 They tried to redefine anti-Semitism.

01:06:33.000 She doesn't say who they are.

01:06:34.000 They tried to redefine anti-Semitism, criminalize criticism of Israel on college campuses, and most crucially, cede the idea that the declaration of Christ as our king amounted to hatred against Jews.

01:06:44.000 Again, I don't know who they is.

01:06:46.000 All of this was done in preparation for the greater Israel agenda, regarding which they attempted to emotionally manipulate Americans to accept. 0.78

01:06:54.000 I'm not sure who's articulating the greater Israel agenda, but again, okay.

01:06:57.000 The conspiracy theorists were right again.

01:06:59.000 It was always about a planned war with Iran and a doomed heretical belief that mass slaughter of women and children is messianic.

01:07:06.000 Again, Israel is engaging in targeted strikes in Iran, despite complete ownership of the Iranian airspace.

01:07:13.000 She continues, if you believe the Polish, Benjamin Milikowski, that's what she calls Benjamin Netanyahu, is chosen by God to impart murder, starvation, I mean, it is worth noting here that Vladimir Lenin was not actually Jewish.

01:07:39.000 The most Jewish he was is that he had apparently a maternal great-grandfather who converted, actually, to Russian Orthodoxy in 1844.

01:07:47.000 If this is in some way representative of the...

01:07:52.000 I'd love to see the statistical proof of that position.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 18, 2025

I Met The Pope...PLUS SCOTUS Hands Matt Walsh A Win!

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