The Ben Shapiro Show - I Really Don’t Care, Do U? | Ep. 566

00:00:00.000 Time Magazine proves you can't trust the press, Politico runs the worst story in human history, and Melania dons a very weird jacket. 1.00

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00:01:41.000 Alrighty, so.

00:01:43.000 A lot happening.

00:01:43.000 Today, we begin with Time Magazine.

00:01:45.000 So, you recall that Time Magazine put out a cover yesterday. 0.99

00:01:49.000 The cover of their new magazine is all about why Trump is an evil, terrible person who hates children. 0.98

00:01:53.000 Because this is what Time Magazine does. 0.99

00:01:55.000 Every other Time Magazine is some sort of nasty take on President Trump.

00:01:58.000 Sometimes merited, most often not.

00:02:00.000 So, here was Time Magazine's cover, in case you forget.

00:02:04.000 It was, in fact,

00:02:05.000 We're good to go.

00:02:26.000 Well, well, well.

00:02:28.000 It turns out that this entire cover is a lie.

00:02:30.000 Not only is the cover wrong about President Trump's policy, which of course has been the policy in the United States since a 2016 court decision from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, so dating all the way back to the Obama administration, kids have been forcibly separated from parents who are arrested for federal charges.

00:02:46.000 It is also not true because this girl was not even separated from her mother.

00:02:49.000 So they took a picture of a little girl and then they photoshopped it in to an all red cover with President Trump in the foreground.

00:02:56.000 And it turns out none of this is true.

00:02:58.000 The little girl is from Honduras.

00:02:59.000 She was not separated from her mother at all.

00:03:02.000 She was crying because her mom was crossing illegally into the United States at about 11 p.m.

00:03:06.000 and the little girl was tired and thirsty according to Border Patrol.

00:03:09.000 Here's a Border Patrol agent explaining to CBS what the actual story here was.

00:03:13.000 We asked her to set the kid down in front of her, not away from her. 0.74

00:03:18.000 She was right in front of her.

00:03:19.000 And so we can properly search the mother.

00:03:24.000 So the kid immediately started crying as she set it down.

00:03:27.000 I personally went up to the mother and asked her, are you doing okay?

00:03:30.000 Is the kid okay?

00:03:31.000 And she said, yes.

00:03:33.000 She's tired and thirsty.

00:03:34.000 It took less than two minutes.

00:03:36.000 As soon as the search was finished, she immediately picked the girl up and the girl immediately stopped crying.

00:03:42.000 OK, so the media took this photo and they blew it up and they made it seem as though the kid was crying because mommy had just been trucked away to the Nazi death camp by President Trump.

00:03:50.000 This is what the media did.

00:03:51.000 They ran with this story.

00:03:52.000 They ran with the picture.

00:03:54.000 They didn't tell you the rest of the story.

00:03:55.000 By the way, the guy who's speaking there, his name is Carlos Ruiz. 0.74

00:03:57.000 So clearly this is a white alt-right racist from the Border Patrol who's talking about this situation.

00:04:02.000 Hey, here's Reuters reporting. 0.87

00:04:03.000 Reuters, not Daily Wire.

00:04:04.000 Reuters, quote, The Honduran toddler pictured sobbing in a pink jacket before US President Donald Trump

00:04:09.000 On an upcoming cover of Time magazine, was not separated from her mother at the U.S.

00:04:13.000 border, according to a man who says he is the girl's father.

00:04:16.000 Quote, My daughter has become a symbol of the separation of children at the U.S.

00:04:18.000 border.

00:04:19.000 She may even have touched President Trump's heart, Denis Valera told Reuters in a telephone interview.

00:04:23.000 Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, had been detained together in the Texas border town of McGowan, where Sanchez has applied for asylum.

00:04:30.000 And they were not separated after being detained near the border.

00:04:32.000 Honduran Deputy Foreign Minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Valera's version of events.

00:04:36.000 Well, not only was this kid not separated from mommy, it turns out that mommy was falsely claiming asylum.

00:04:41.000 She is not, in fact, a political dissident in Honduras.

00:04:44.000 In fact, she ran away from her other three children in Honduras.

00:04:48.000 She left them there with dad.

00:04:49.000 Dad has a good job.

00:04:51.000 Mom was working.

00:04:52.000 And yet, all of this was passed around the internet endlessly, and we were told that this Time magazine cover was just demonstrative of how America has gone the wrong way, about how everything is falling apart.

00:05:03.000 Our moral status has been completely decimated.

00:05:06.000 It's been completely decimated thanks to President Trump and his evil.

00:05:10.000 And you see people on the left. 1.00

00:05:12.000 Repeating this idiotic routine ad nauseum. 1.00

00:05:15.000 So, for example, there's this one woman who tweeted out one of these stories that has now become ubiquitous on Twitter, where you ask your five-year-old a woke question. 0.99

00:05:23.000 So this woman whose name is Bethany Oakley, she tweeted out, I asked my five-year-old if she wanted to come to a protest with me this weekend. 0.97

00:05:30.000 First of all, the answer is always no.

00:05:32.000 Your five-year-old does not want to come with you to a protest this weekend because why would a five-year-old want to go stand in the heat for some cause they have no idea what it is?

00:05:38.000 Once I had explained what we were protesting, she looked at me with tears in her eyes and said, I don't know how to have these conversations with my kids.

00:05:47.000 That's what Bethany Oakley tweeted out.

00:05:49.000 You see this kind of stuff all over Twitter all the time.

00:05:51.000 This thing had 15,000 likes, another 14,000 retweets, because asking woke five-year-olds about immigration policy is the way we ought to make immigration policy in the United States.

00:06:00.000 I know that when I have a serious question about health care, I immediately go to my four-year-old and I ask her to break down Medicaid spending for me.

00:06:07.000 It's a crucial element to know.

00:06:09.000 I need to know what my four-year-old thinks about the future of Social Security.

00:06:13.000 But more than that, I like to lie to her.

00:06:14.000 It's my favorite thing.

00:06:15.000 Just like Bethany Oakley, I like to lie to my child.

00:06:17.000 I like to say, Honey, if Social Security isn't reformed, by the time you grow up to 30, you'll be living in a deathly hellscape in the United States, in which small children are fed to dogs.

00:06:25.000 And then when she cries, then I say to her, Honey, I don't know how to have these conversations with you.

00:06:30.000 I just don't.

00:06:31.000 Now, here's the real way you have this conversation with your kid.

00:06:33.000 Your kid says, Mommy, are they going to take me away too?

00:06:35.000 And you say, No, honey, I didn't commit a federal crime.

00:06:38.000 That's the actual way that that conversation goes.

00:06:41.000 Because the separation of parents and kids, it ain't happening unless some federal crime has been committed.

00:06:46.000 In this case, the lady claims asylum, and she wasn't even separated from the kid. 1.00

00:06:50.000 So the lady falsely claimed asylum, she wasn't separated from the kid, she didn't come up for political dissident reasons, and she wasn't mistreated by Border Patrol.

00:06:57.000 So this story tells exactly the reverse.

00:06:59.000 It tells exactly the reverse of the story that the media wanted to tell, that the media ran with it anyway, because this is what they do.

00:07:06.000 And then they wonder why we hate the media.

00:07:07.000 They wonder why so many Americans look at the media and say, we can't trust you. 0.95

00:07:10.000 They wonder why when President Trump shouts, CNN sucks, and everybody starts chanting along with him, that people are chanting. 0.92

00:07:16.000 That's not because of Trump. 0.94

00:07:18.000 It's because the media have been fibbing about stories like this for my entire lifetime.

00:07:22.000 And it's not just with regard to the immigration issue.

00:07:25.000 There's an amazing story today that Hamas paid off a woman to claim that her baby was dead during an Israeli tear gas attack.

00:07:35.000 This is a story from the Times of Israel.

00:07:36.000 This is how corrupt the media are.

00:07:38.000 This is from the Times of Israel.

00:07:39.000 A 20-year-old Palestinian indicted Thursday on terror-related charges told Israeli investigators during his interrogation that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar paid his relatives to falsely tell the media that his baby cousin died of tear gas inhalation.

00:07:52.000 The story of baby Lila Gonder's death, purportedly from inhaling tear gas fired by Israel at the Gaza border, made headlines around the world last month and intensified global criticism of Israel's handling of Hamas-spurred violence at the fence.

00:08:02.000 On May 28th, IDF forces arrested Mahmoud Omar, along with another member of Fatah's armed wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

00:08:08.000 It's a terrorist group.

00:08:09.000 After they attempted to infiltrate into Israel and torture an unmanned IDF post, Omar had been acting as the lookout.

00:08:14.000 The group did not manage to carry out the attack as they came under IDF fire during his questioning.

00:08:19.000 Omar told interrogators the details of the planned attack and detailed his involvement in other terror-related activities.

00:08:25.000 The suspect also disclosed that he was related to Laila Gandor, the eight-month-old baby whose May 14th death was originally reported to have been caused by inhalation of tear gas sprayed by Israeli forces at Gaza border protesters.

00:08:36.000 The story of the baby's purported death dominated global media, and it turns out that two weeks prior to the arrest, this guy was part of the giant border riot.

00:08:45.000 And he said that Lila had died of a blood disease similar to the one that took the life of the deceased infant's brother, who succumbed to the condition at the same age in 2017.

00:08:53.000 The entire media ran with the story that Israel had murdered this child, and it turns out the kid died of a blood condition.

00:08:58.000 And then you wonder why no one trusts the folks in the media? 0.96

00:09:02.000 It's because the media suck at their jobs. 0.99

00:09:03.000 Stop sucking at your jobs and we'll trust you more. 0.99

00:09:05.000 Or when you get it wrong, correct it. 0.99

00:09:07.000 But running with blanket stories that are provided by Hamas, or running with stories about a picture that isn't even based on reality,

00:09:14.000 You know, in which a mother put down her kid for two minutes and the baby was hungry, and then the mother picked the baby back up, and then you take that picture and you make it look like the kid is crying about Donald Trump's immigration policy.

00:09:23.000 No wonder we don't trust you.

00:09:24.000 My favorite, my favorite story about lack of trust in the media today comes courtesy of Politico.

00:09:29.000 So, you know that the media may be out to get you when they start dredging up people you went to third grade with.

00:09:36.000 I am not kidding.

00:09:36.000 This is what Politico did today.

00:09:38.000 Politico found some idiot named John Mueller. 0.99

00:09:41.000 John Mueller, who is the head of a new Mueller investigation. 0.99

00:09:44.000 He was formerly a lecturer at Harvard Law School, which says very poor things about my alma mater.

00:09:48.000 And he writes and studies philosophy in Wisconsin.

00:09:51.000 He wrote a story today, quote, I sat on the other side of Stephen Miller's first wall.

00:09:55.000 Stephen Miller, of course, is President Obama's chief consultant when it comes to immigration issues, very close with Jeff Sessions.

00:10:00.000 Originally, he was Jeff Sessions' chief of staff before he moved over to the Trump administration proper.

00:10:06.000 This story is just insane.

00:10:08.000 So here is a 900 word story in Politico by a guy who went to third grade with Stephen Miller.

00:10:13.000 Now, you might think, well, maybe he has something revelatory to tell us about Stephen Miller.

00:10:16.000 Maybe it turns out that Stephen Miller in his off hours killed puppies in the backyard.

00:10:20.000 Maybe Stephen Miller was the kind of kid who tortured animals, right?

00:10:23.000 Like that would actually be like a relevant story.

00:10:25.000 But no, that's not what the story is at all.

00:10:27.000 Here's the story.

00:10:28.000 Quote.

00:10:29.000 It was the year he sat next to me in third grade.

00:10:31.000 It's hard to say how much a kid's behavior in third grade can really tell you about the inner workings of his soul.

00:10:36.000 No, it's not. 1.00

00:10:37.000 Third graders are idiots. 1.00

00:10:38.000 They're stupid little idiots. 1.00

00:10:40.000 The idea that it's going to tell you anything about the working of a third grader's soul, again, unless they're torturing puppies or engaging in pathological behavior, 1.00

00:10:47.000 There's, it tells you nothing, okay? 0.92

00:10:48.000 Third graders like pee on themselves. 0.99

00:10:50.000 They smell. 0.85

00:10:51.000 Like, I love kids, but let's not pretend that third grade, like, I looked at you in third grade and I knew from that moment that you were destined to be the immigration leader in the United States.

00:11:01.000 Okay?

00:11:02.000 No. 1.00

00:11:03.000 Third grade was so stupid I skipped it. 1.00

00:11:04.000 Okay, so here is what this idiot says. 1.00

00:11:06.000 But here is what I remember. 1.00

00:11:07.000 I'm going to read you the rest of the story in a second because it is so good. 1.00

00:11:19.000 And when I say it is so good, I mean it is so intensely stupid. 0.98

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00:12:33.000 Okay, so back to this idiotic article. 1.00

00:12:36.000 From John Mueller and his Mueller investigation. 0.99

00:12:39.000 It's the new Mueller investigation over Politico.

00:12:42.000 About Stephen Miller being a third grader.

00:12:44.000 Because of our last names, Stephen and I shared a desk.

00:12:47.000 We were not friends, though we weren't exactly enemies either.

00:12:49.000 Our teacher, Miss Fisk, had the class write stories each week with vocabulary words and sometimes she let us read them aloud.

00:12:55.000 I wrote a series of stories about a mixed up chicken named Jeremy. 0.87

00:12:57.000 I am not kidding, this is in Politico.

00:12:59.000 I felt proudest that year when I got to read my stories in class and they made the other kids laugh.

00:13:04.000 But it was difficult to make Stephen laugh.

00:13:07.000 You understand?

00:13:08.000 Really, this is what it says.

00:13:09.000 Not joking.

00:13:10.000 It was difficult to make Stephen laugh.

00:13:11.000 He wouldn't laugh at the kids' mixed up chicken stories.

00:13:13.000 This is how he knew, from the very beginning, that Stephen Miller wanted to imprison illegal immigrants in Japanese internment conditions.

00:13:19.000 I found him difficult to reach at all, and so it seemed in most everyone else.

00:13:23.000 He was frequently distracted, vacillating between total disinterest and everything around him, my stories, of course, included.

00:13:28.000 This person's really pissed that Stephen Miller didn't laugh at the mixed-up chicken stories.

00:13:32.000 My goodness!

00:13:34.000 He showed total disinterest in everything around him, my stories included.

00:13:39.000 This is a highlight of his life, these mixed-up chicken stories.

00:13:41.000 It was all downhill from the mixed-up chicken stories about a guy named Jeremy, who was a mixed-up chicken, and complete...

00:13:47.000 Why don't we trust the media?

00:13:48.000 I don't understand.

00:13:49.000 And complete obsession with highly specific tasks that could only be performed alone.

00:13:54.000 He was especially obsessed with tape and glue.

00:13:56.000 Again, this is in one of the most prestigious political magazines in America.

00:14:00.000 Along the midpoint of our desk, Steven laid down a piece of white masking tape, explaining that it marked the boundary of our sides and that I was not to cross it.

00:14:08.000 The formality of this struck me as odd.

00:14:10.000 I was a fairly neat kid, at least at school, and I had never spread my things to his side of the desk.

00:14:13.000 Stephen, meanwhile, could not have been much messier.

00:14:15.000 His side of the desk was sticky and peeling, littered with scraps of paper, misshapen erasers, and pencil mubs.

00:14:20.000 If this adhesive division kept Stephen on his side of the desk, I was all for it, as unfriendly as it seemed.

00:14:24.000 But instead, the tape became an attractive nuisance.

00:14:27.000 Stephen picked at it with his fingernails, methodically, in a mixture of absentmindedness and what seemed like channeled hostility.

00:14:33.000 You can sense how much he hated Mexicans by the way he was picking at the tape in third grade on his desk.

00:14:37.000 Unbelievable, this guy's insight is just incredible.

00:14:40.000 This process left, this process of effacement left a thin layer of sticky grime, not altogether dissimilar from the rest of Stephen's desk. 0.53

00:14:47.000 He was grimy, he was disgusting in third grade.

00:14:50.000 Stephen rubbed his fingers over this layer of grime, rolling it into little gray pellets until it too was gone.

00:14:56.000 Then he applied a new piece of tape, along with a renewed warning that I was not to cross it.

00:15:00.000 Don't rinse, but do repeat for months.

00:15:02.000 When Stephen was not picking at the tape, he was playing with glue.

00:15:09.000 Dead serious, guys.

00:15:09.000 This is actually an article.

00:15:11.000 Okay, I'm gonna continue with this story in just a second.

00:15:13.000 First, I just have to say,

00:15:37.000 What the actual F?

00:15:39.000 Okay, there's another 400 words of this story.

00:15:42.000 Okay, there's another 400 words of this story about Stephen Miller liking to play with tape and glue at age 8.

00:15:51.000 Again, the Mueller investigation continues, right?

00:15:53.000 This is the actual Mueller investigation, John Mueller's investigation into his time in third grade with Stephen Miller.

00:15:58.000 Quote, invariably, Stephen succumbed to this urge before the glue fully hardened, at which point the prior game transformed into a new one, the game of spreading still viscous glue across the remainder of his hand.

00:16:08.000 Then, once the glue dried, he picked it off in long strips, the glue pulling the skin on his palm outward as he tugged it with his other hand,

00:16:16.000 with skin snapping back into place when each strip broke off.

00:16:19.000 Still, the sticky adhesive beneath the strips of glue remained on his palm.

00:16:23.000 So Stephen rubbed his hands together to produce more little gray pellets, which he collected and rolled together into a mound.

00:16:29.000 This, in turn, was used to blot at and thereby clean, or perhaps dirty, his portion of the desk.

00:16:34.000 Okay, now you might be thinking, okay, well, so where's, like, the actual meat, Uncle Eddie?

00:16:38.000 Like, where's the actual meat of the story?

00:16:39.000 When do we get to the part where Stephen Miller, like, kills cats in the backyard?

00:16:44.000 Like, where do we get?

00:16:45.000 That, for better or worse, is the full extent of my memory of Stephen that year at Franklin Elementary School in Santa Monica, California, where the sign out front reads, be a friend, not a bully.

00:16:54.000 Oh, the irony.

00:16:55.000 The irony that an elementary school has a sign that says, be a friend, not a bully, but Stephen Miller turned out to be the world's worst 0.85

00:17:02.000 Frontally balding bully.

00:17:04.000 It's just, it's unbelievable.

00:17:06.000 I heard stories about him from friends as we got older, but I wasn't around to witness things firsthand.

00:17:10.000 I switched to a different school after sixth grade.

00:17:13.000 What to make of this now, 25 years later?

00:17:15.000 We were all grimy kids at some point, of course, with sticky hands and short attention spans, but it is at least poetic that Steven was bent on building a nonsensical wall even back then.

00:17:23.000 A wall that had more to do with what lay inside him than what lay beyond.

00:17:29.000 He thought he was trying to keep out the chaos of the world, when really, what he was looking for was a way to explain away the chaos on his own side of the desk.

00:17:37.000 For that was where chaos had always been.

00:17:42.000 That's an actual article in Politico.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, that's really, that's it.

00:17:46.000 Now, we won't find out until later that the Mueller investigation will end with an actual pee tape of Stephen Miller, you know, peeing his pants in third grade.

00:17:52.000 But it's just...

00:17:54.000 Amazing.

00:17:54.000 Like, why don't people trust the media?

00:17:56.000 I don't understand.

00:17:58.000 Why wouldn't we trust people who decide that that is print-worthy?

00:18:01.000 The National Enquirer wouldn't pay five cents for that piece.

00:18:04.000 But Politico somehow thought, you know what?

00:18:07.000 What people deeply need to... It's deeply important.

00:18:10.000 People must know, people must know that Stephen Miller once took a piece of tape and put it across the center of his desk when he was eight years old, and then removed that piece of tape and liked to put glue on his hands and take it off, just like every other third grader in the history of the world since Elmer Glue was invented.

00:18:27.000 No, it's just, yes, but why don't people trust me?

00:18:31.000 I don't know, I don't know.

00:18:32.000 It must be, it's Trump, it's Trump. 1.00

00:18:33.000 Trump is so evil. 0.99

00:18:36.000 That's all I've got, that's all I've got. 0.94

00:18:38.000 I trust the media more now because I've read that story.

00:18:40.000 Because now I know that deep in the recesses of Stephen Miller's mind is the little boy, that grimy little evil child who liked to take eraser nubs and stack them on his desks, who chewed on pencils, who liked to go over and grind his pencils, those giant pencils that fit in the palm of your hand in that little pencil sharpener that you used to actually have to hand grind like some sort of organ.

00:19:03.000 Oh, Stephen Miller.

00:19:11.000 We're good to go.

00:19:31.000 We're good to go.

00:19:49.000 Suffice it to say, this is not a smart move.

00:19:51.000 This is not a smart thing to do.

00:19:53.000 Right?

00:19:53.000 Because you're trying to go and demonstrate how much you do care.

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00:19:59.000 Do you?

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00:21:18.000 Okay, so Melania Trump yesterday wears this jacket.

00:21:21.000 This I-really-don't-care-do-you jacket.

00:21:23.000 Now, obviously she meant to wear the jacket.

00:21:26.000 There's a lot of talk today, oh, it's just she didn't really mean to wear the jacket.

00:21:29.000 Like, she just sort of put on a jacket.

00:21:31.000 Melania Trump wearing a $39 jacket?

00:21:34.000 The last time Melania Trump wore something that inexpensive, she was naked on the cover of the New York Post. 0.99

00:21:39.000 Melania Trump has never worn something that costs $39.

00:21:44.000 Legitimately, her pinky rings cost $39.

00:21:47.000 The ankle bracelets that she does or does not wear, those cost $39.

00:21:50.000 So she wore a $39 jacket that said, I really don't care, do you?

00:21:53.000 And so this became the mystery the media had to solve yesterday.

00:21:57.000 Why did she wear this? 0.98

00:21:58.000 Why?

00:21:59.000 So Stephanie Grisham, who is her spokesperson over at the White House, tweeted out, Today's visit with the children in Texas impacted FLOTUS greatly.

00:22:06.000 If media would spend their time and energy on her actions and efforts to help kids, rather than speculate and focus on her wardrobe, she would get so much accomplished on behalf of children.

00:22:13.000 Hashtag, she cares.

00:22:14.000 Hashtag, it's just a jacket.

00:22:16.000 Yeah, well, listen, Melania Trump knows what she's wearing. 1.00

00:22:19.000 And the hilarious part of this is that Trump then responds, and Trump jumps into the fray.

00:22:22.000 So Trump feels that he needs to discuss Melania Trump's

00:22:27.000 Where?

00:22:28.000 He has to jump in.

00:22:29.000 This is so funny. 1.00

00:22:30.000 So Trump, everything is so stupid, man. 1.00

00:22:32.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

00:22:33.000 Trump tweets out, quote, 1.00

00:22:34.000 I really don't care, do you?

00:22:36.000 Written on the back of Melania's jacket refers to the fake news media.

00:22:40.000 Melania has learned how dishonest they are, and she truly no longer cares.

00:22:43.000 So her own spokesperson's like, you shouldn't focus in on the jacket, and Trump's like, screw the media! 0.96

00:22:48.000 It's so great.

00:22:50.000 It's so great in every way.

00:22:51.000 Now, does this mean that Melania doesn't care? 0.99

00:22:53.000 No, it just means that someone was dumb in allowing her to wear that, or she was dumb in picking that. 1.00

00:22:56.000 It's just stupid, right? 1.00

00:22:57.000 You don't wear a jacket like that when you're about to go visit refugees. 1.00

00:23:01.000 It's not the brightest move.

00:23:02.000 This is the part where Melania should say that her command of the English language is not that great, right? 0.88

00:23:05.000 That would be the proper defense here.

00:23:07.000 Or, she didn't see the back of the jacket, she turned it inside out or something.

00:23:10.000 But like, is it a big deal?

00:23:12.000 No.

00:23:13.000 Did the media go nuts over it yesterday?

00:23:14.000 Of course.

00:23:15.000 Is it bad optics?

00:23:16.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:23:17.000 Is it dumb on every level? 0.99

00:23:18.000 You bet. 1.00

00:23:19.000 But everything is dumb on every level right now. 1.00

00:23:21.000 Everything is incredibly stupid on every level. 1.00

00:23:22.000 Which is too bad because there's some pretty serious issues that are happening here, right? 0.99

00:23:26.000 Some of the things that are happening here,

00:23:27.000 Actually matter, right?

00:23:29.000 The policy with regard to our border actually matters.

00:23:32.000 Now, President Trump has it right when he rips into Democrats when he says, listen, what you really want is to release as many illegal immigrants as humanly possible.

00:23:39.000 Cynthia Nixon proved this yesterday. 0.57

00:23:40.000 So Cynthia Nixon, you recall her from being the most irritating member of the caste and sex in the city, which says a lot. 1.00

00:23:46.000 I mean, you really have to work to be the most irritating member of the cast in Sex and the City.

00:23:49.000 But Cynthia Nixon is now running for governor of New York. 0.88

00:23:52.000 She will lose horribly to Andrew Cuomo, of course.

00:23:55.000 But she says that her program is that she definitely, definitely wants to abolish ICE.

00:24:00.000 Right?

00:24:00.000 No borders.

00:24:01.000 So when Trump says that Democrats don't want borders, and then the media says that's a lie, Cynthia Nixon pretty much just said out loud what you're not supposed to say out loud. 1.00

00:24:08.000 They're being separated throughout this country by ICE.

00:24:11.000 Yes.

00:24:11.000 I think we need to abolish ICE.

00:24:13.000 That seems really clear.

00:24:15.000 They have strayed so far from the interests of the American people and the interests of humanity.

00:24:21.000 We need to, we need to abolish it.

00:24:23.000 Okay, and your solution to people crossing the border illegally would be what?

00:24:26.000 And the answer is the solution would be just to let people cross the border illegally.

00:24:29.000 So when President Trump rips into Democrats, he is not wrong about this.

00:24:32.000 Here is Trump yesterday saying Democrats are by not deterring border crossing, they're creating a child smuggling industry.

00:24:38.000 There is some truth to this.

00:24:39.000 People are suffering because of the Democrats.

00:24:43.000 So we've created, and they've created, and they've let it happen, a massive child smuggling industry.

00:24:50.000 It's exactly what it's become.

00:24:52.000 Okay, I do like how President Trump pronounces industry.

00:24:55.000 Industry.

00:24:56.000 He does it just to piss people off, I think.

00:24:58.000 But he's exactly right here.

00:24:59.000 And he's also right when he says, listen, the media have been complaining about the inhumane treatment of children.

00:25:05.000 Well, what about the inhumane treatment of children under Obama?

00:25:07.000 Now, there was some attention paid to this in 2014, 2015, but it wasn't on the cover of Time magazine.

00:25:11.000 Obama frowning down at a crying child wrapped in aluminum foil blankets.

00:25:15.000 Here was President Trump going off on the media.

00:25:17.000 You look back at

00:25:21.000 2014, during the Obama administration, they have pictures that were so bad.

00:25:25.000 They had a judge that said it was inhumane the way they were treating children.

00:25:30.000 Take a look at some of the court rulings against the Obama administration.

00:25:34.000 They talked about inhumane treatment.

00:25:37.000 I read them.

00:25:37.000 I looked at them.

00:25:38.000 They're all over the place.

00:25:40.000 Inhumane treatment.

00:25:41.000 They were treating them terribly.

00:25:43.000 Okay, he's totally right about this. 0.92

00:25:44.000 Now, the left has, of course, responded by saying that Trump is a uniquely evil individual.

00:25:48.000 Cory Booker, who is just the most... I mean, if Cynthia Nixon was the most irritating member of the Sex and the City cast, Cory Booker is the most irritating person in the United States in politics.

00:25:58.000 I mean, Cory Booker and his virtue signaling, he is just

00:26:01.000 We just have to do this and stop doing this moral vandalism on our values that you see is going on that's just unacceptable.

00:26:28.000 And it's barely English, but I guess the point is clear.

00:26:30.000 It's moral vandalism.

00:26:31.000 And then Nancy Pelosi, a woman who is for aborting babies pretty much until you actually die as a full human being, like Nancy Pelosi is so pro-abortion that if you're 78 and you've been born for 78 years, she still thinks that there's a question as to whether your mom should be able to abort you. 0.98

00:26:45.000 Nancy Pelosi, she says this right here is outside the circle of human behavior.

00:26:49.000 It's outside the circle of human behavior.

00:26:51.000 Dentures are quacking around.

00:26:52.000 Go for it, Nancy.

00:26:54.000 The president is either

00:26:55.000 Not knowing, not caring, delusional and denial about his own policies being outside the circle of civilized human behavior. 0.99

00:27:06.000 He's a monster, do you understand? 1.00

00:27:07.000 He's an absolute monster. 0.99

00:27:09.000 And then, here's the hard part for Democrats. 0.99

00:27:12.000 Jay Johnson.

00:27:13.000 You remember that guy?

00:27:13.000 He was the Department of Homeland Security secretary under the Obama administration.

00:27:17.000 He sort of admitted that in 2014 they expanded family detention.

00:27:20.000 Oops.

00:27:21.000 In 2014, to deal with the spike then, with the families, we did a number of things, including, by the way, working with the government of Mexico and obtaining their cooperation on securing their southern border.

00:27:34.000 But we also expanded family detention.

00:27:37.000 Which was, I freely admit, controversial.

00:27:40.000 Oops.

00:27:41.000 Oopsies.

00:27:42.000 So it turns out that all of Trump's evil Nazi-esque policies, well, it turns out the reason that they are so evil and Nazi-esque is because the Obama administration was keeping families together in detention.

00:27:50.000 And then a court said you have to separate the families, and then Trump abided by the court ruling.

00:27:54.000 And now Trump is trying to reverse the court ruling, go back to the Obama administration policy, and he's getting ripped every step of the way.

00:28:00.000 So in other words, he follows the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, he's evil. 0.78

00:28:03.000 He follows Jeh Johnson, he's evil.

00:28:05.000 It seems to me that maybe the Democrats' program here is just to call Trump evil.

00:28:08.000 They don't actually care about these kids particularly much. 0.99

00:28:11.000 So that is just ridiculous.

00:28:13.000 OK, so in just a few minutes, I want to go into the mailbag in a few minutes, and then we have some stuff I like and stuff I hate coming up.

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00:29:37.000 Kieran says, I've recently been labeled alt-right on a very public forum by a notoriously pretentious SJW.

00:29:42.000 My views are countercultural for a 21-year-old woman, considering I'm a lifelong conservative, but I am nowhere near alt-right.

00:29:48.000 I am apparently anti-feminist, only third wave, racist, because I wouldn't announce your Arabs in open sewage tweet after recommending your show to said SJW, and opposed to all immigration. 0.86

00:29:56.000 Facepalm, my parents were immigrants and a white nationalist, which is so far from truth, I didn't even know how to begin entertaining the debate, let alone his BS.

00:30:02.000 How do I combat claims like this or argue with a liberal about anything without stooping intellectually?

00:30:06.000 Thank you for your brain.

00:30:07.000 Well, thank me for my brain.

00:30:09.000 Thank God for my brain.

00:30:10.000 I didn't make it.

00:30:10.000 But as far as how you argue all of this stuff, first of all, I'd just like to note that that tweet that you reference in that email, Karen, I wrote an entire column explaining that tweet, and there were a bunch of follow-up tweets that explained that tweet.

00:30:22.000 This is like 2010, circa 2010, so just to give a little context for that.

00:30:26.000 But beyond that,

00:30:28.000 The reality is that not every argument is worth having. 0.86

00:30:30.000 Being labeled an alt-right personality by an idiot SJW on a public forum, you should make your statement, you should let it go at that, and then you shouldn't waste more of your time because the person's never going to admit they were wrong.

00:30:40.000 You should determine in every conversation what the purpose of the conversation is. 0.98

00:30:44.000 It works, by the way, in real life as well.

00:30:45.000 Like, I try to determine whether a conversation is worthwhile here in the office, which is why I rarely deign to speak to those around me.

00:30:53.000 I mean, I mean, come on.

00:30:54.000 Very, very few of these conversations are worth it.

00:30:56.000 But even when it comes to when it comes to my marriage, my wife and I have a great rule that I love, and that is tip to dudes, OK?

00:31:03.000 Tip to guys out there who are dating ladies or married to ladies.

00:31:07.000 If you are

00:31:08.000 Having a conversation with your wife or your girlfriend and she starts complaining to you about a particular situation in her life.

00:31:13.000 Your first tendency is going to be to try and solve the problem for her.

00:31:17.000 This is probably not what she wants.

00:31:18.000 What she probably wants is for you to listen.

00:31:20.000 Now, I know you don't want to listen.

00:31:22.000 I get it, but...

00:31:23.000 The way to solve this problem is to say, is this a solving conversation or a listening conversation?

00:31:28.000 And if you say that, then you know the purpose of the conversation.

00:31:30.000 If you can apply that same sort of logic to all of your interactions, particularly political interactions, you'll be a lot better off.

00:31:36.000 Not every conversation is worth having.

00:31:37.000 Can there be beneficial effects of radical movements?

00:31:46.000 Well, sure.

00:31:46.000 I mean, I think there are a lot of radical movements that have had beneficial effects, even if their overall effect is a net negative.

00:31:52.000 I would suggest that, you know, the idea that efficient vehicles were an outgrowth of the environmental movement I don't think is exactly correct.

00:31:58.000 I think that efficient vehicles were an outgrowth of high gas prices in the 1970s and the fact that nobody wanted a clunker when there were going to be all of these escalating gas prices thanks to OPEC choking off the oil supply.

00:32:10.000 This is why you see bigger cars on the road when gas prices are cheaper and smaller cars on the road when gas prices get more expensive.

00:32:16.000 With that said, because the truth is that environmentalism, the only way that environmentalism can really make LED lights, for example, more fiscally feasible is by artificially raising the price of incandescent light bulbs.

00:32:27.000 I kind of like incandescent light bulbs, to tell you the truth.

00:32:30.000 But, you know, I do appreciate that radical movements, if you channel all of your efforts toward one particular end, sometimes you'll come up with a few good effects.

00:32:37.000 It's not like everything that is associated with a movement I consider bad is bad.

00:32:42.000 Sometimes there are good outgrowths.

00:32:44.000 Right, the fact is that there are a lot of vaccines that were developed originally from an aborted fetus, right?

00:32:49.000 That doesn't mean that the abortion originally was good, but to ignore that the vaccines are useful would be to deny science.

00:32:56.000 Okay, Ariel says,

00:33:05.000 Well, that's great.

00:33:07.000 Well, I mean, it depends, Ariel.

00:33:11.000 Do you want to keep your job?

00:33:18.000 I mean, really, this is a priorities question, because the reality is, I think that it is unhealthy to humor the delusions of small children.

00:33:25.000 I do not think that it is healthy.

00:33:26.000 If a five-year-old claims something that is factually untrue, I don't think that humoring that is worthwhile or good.

00:33:33.000 My kids claim things that are untrue all the time and it is my job to disabuse them of those notions.

00:33:36.000 Doesn't mean you have to be rude or terrible, but you have to check in with the camp because it's possible that the camp doesn't want to get sued or that you will be fired.

00:33:43.000 So it really depends on, and if you're uncomfortable with this situation, maybe you ask to be moved out of this situation.

00:33:49.000 Maybe you ask to counsel other kids, for example.

00:33:51.000 Or you have one of your colleagues take over with regard to this kid because you feel that it's immoral to abide by the rules that are set by the camp.

00:33:58.000 But as a general matter, I think it's immoral to treat five-year-olds with great respect when they say things that are actually delusional.

00:34:04.000 And humoring delusion is not good for kids.

00:34:06.000 Fully 80% of kids who have transgender feelings grow out of it by the time they reach young adulthood. 0.99

00:34:11.000 Scott says, Hey Ben, do you ever feel guilty about the abuse you lay upon Knowles?

00:34:14.000 If not, have you provided him a safe space away from the daily torment you inflict on him?

00:34:18.000 No, I've never felt guilty about the abuse that you lay upon Knowles, just as I would never feel guilty about the abuse that I lay on Paul Potter, Kim Jong-un. 0.62

00:34:25.000 I mean, there are just certain people who deserve abuse, and Knowles is one of them.

00:34:28.000 And by the way, I pay Knowles, okay?

00:34:30.000 So for all the abuse that I lay on Knowles, he ain't too worried about cashing the paycheck, apparently.

00:34:36.000 As far as the safe space that is provided for him, he does have a small office off the main hall here, and we lock him in there.

00:34:42.000 We have padded the walls so that he can really have himself a good time in there.

00:34:44.000 Alright, Brandon says,

00:34:46.000 Do you think that religion as a whole could experience a resurrection similar to that of Christ in the Bible, or are religious and communal groups doomed to decline in the years to come?

00:34:53.000 I do think that religion as a whole is going to experience a resurrection, and I think that that is going to happen specifically because there's a great crisis of meaning that is happening in the West.

00:35:01.000 People believe that their lives are purposeless, they believe that there is no actual goal to their life, there's no telos, there's no Greek

00:35:08.000 Teleology

00:35:26.000 Removed from them by a secularist society, and I think that that's a serious problem.

00:35:30.000 There will be a backlash.

00:35:31.000 Jeremy says, what is your take on Milton Friedman's negative income tax?

00:35:33.000 It's not something I've heard you address and would love your take on it.

00:35:35.000 So Milton Friedman's negative income tax, for people who don't know, is basically his suggestion that we cut checks back to people who are poor enough that they don't pay income tax.

00:35:47.000 And his suggestion is that this should replace the welfare system.

00:35:50.000 As a replacement for the welfare system, I would much prefer a negative income tax to the welfare system itself, because the welfare system is quasi-means-tested.

00:35:57.000 Not really.

00:35:57.000 It's too complex.

00:35:58.000 It disincentivizes good, responsible behavior.

00:36:00.000 The negative income tax basically signs you a certain amount of money based on the amount of money that you are making.

00:36:05.000 Noah says,

00:36:24.000 Hey Ben, a few weeks ago you said something about the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment that got me curious.

00:36:27.000 I'd love to hear your opinion.

00:36:28.000 It's not a violation of the Establishment Clause specifically because the Establishment Clause was designed to prevent the imposition of a specific religion on any human being.

00:36:43.000 If, for example, it was mandatory from the government that you use God every time you went out in public, or that it was mandatory that you say under God in the Pledge of Allegiance, or that it was mandatory that you stand for God Bless America, or that it was mandatory to put your hand over your heart, anything that mandates that you worship God is against the Establishment Clause.

00:37:00.000 There's nothing in the Establishment Clause, however, that says that government cannot prefer, in general, a religious outlook on life to a non-religious outlook on life.

00:37:07.000 There's nothing

00:37:08.000 In the constitution that suggests this.

00:37:10.000 In fact, if you go back to the original founding of the country, obviously there are prayers that were being given by people on a regular basis in the halls of Congress.

00:37:19.000 George Washington regularly prayed.

00:37:21.000 He gave prayers at his inaugural address.

00:37:24.000 It is also worth mentioning that

00:37:27.000 There were a bunch of states in the United States.

00:37:28.000 The Establishment Clause, this is something people don't know about the Federal Constitution.

00:37:32.000 The Federal Constitution originally did not apply to the states.

00:37:34.000 So, there's an Establishment Clause that says Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech or establishing religion.

00:37:41.000 Okay, that's Congress shall make no law.

00:37:42.000 It applied to the Federal Congress.

00:37:44.000 There were states in the United States that actually had quasi-official religions.

00:37:48.000 At the very beginning of the Republic.

00:37:49.000 And then over time, that sort of drained away.

00:37:51.000 I think it was a good thing that drained away, but it obviously, the Federal Constitution did not bar even state-sponsored religion, like specific sects of religion, in particular states in the United States originally.

00:38:02.000 So, no, the Establishment Clause does not prevent you from saying, we trust in God on our coins or something.

00:38:07.000 And if you really feel that badly about it, saying we trust in God on our coins, then I suggest that you investigate American history, in which God has played a pretty significant role.

00:38:13.000 Cassandra says, Oh, there's so many of them.

00:38:21.000 So I think that there's a great movie or miniseries to be made about John Brown, just because there's so much moral complexity with regard to John Brown.

00:38:27.000 So John Brown is, if you remember from your Civil War history, John Brown

00:38:32.000 Was the guy who was involved in something called Bleeding Kansas originally in 1856, 1857.

00:38:36.000 There's something called Bleeding Kansas in 1854, 1856.

00:38:41.000 Basically, what happened is that there was a bill in Congress called the Kansas-Nebraska Act, and it suggested that Kansas and Nebraska were going to be admitted as states to the Union, and the way that these states were going to be admitted as either free states or slave states

00:38:54.000 Is there going to be a referendum held in these states as to whether the states ought to be slave states or free states?

00:38:59.000 And what that led to was an enormous number of people rushing into these states in order so that they could vote specifically on the issue of slavery.

00:39:04.000 Well, John Brown and his sons went to Kansas and they there engaged in acts of brutal violence against slaveholders who are also engaging in brutal acts of violence against people who are in favor of the freedom of these states.

00:39:16.000 So he's involved in that, and then John Brown, of course, took a bunch of his sons and some former slaves, some ex-slaves, and he went to Harper's Ferry, Virginia, and he freed a bunch of slaves.

00:39:26.000 He thought he was going to lead a slave uprising against slaveholders in Harper's Ferry, Virginia, and there he instead was basically surrounded in a bunkhouse, basically.

00:39:35.000 His sons were shot to death.

00:39:37.000 The other people who were fighting with him were shot to death.

00:39:39.000 A couple of slaveholders were murdered as well.

00:39:42.000 And John Brown eventually was hung.

00:39:44.000 Or he was hanged, rather.

00:39:46.000 And it's a really fascinating story.

00:39:48.000 The actual commander of the Union forces at Harper's Ferry was a guy that you may remember by the name of Robert E. Lee.

00:39:53.000 So it's really historically repeated.

00:39:54.000 It's really fascinating stuff.

00:39:55.000 And as the soldiers in the Civil War went to battle, they actually sang the original lyrics.

00:40:02.000 To the Battle Hymn of the Republic, you know, glory, glory, hallelujah.

00:40:06.000 The original lyrics to that song were not what they eventually became.

00:40:12.000 The song was called John Brown's Body.

00:40:15.000 The original lyric was, John Brown's body is a moldering in his tomb.

00:40:18.000 John Brown's body is a moldering in his tomb.

00:40:19.000 John Brown's body is a moldering in his tomb.

00:40:21.000 His soul, his truth goes marching on.

00:40:23.000 So it was about John Brown, who was an actual rebel who killed people, right, trying to free slaves.

00:40:28.000 Fascinating, fascinating stuff about, you know, when is sort of zealous violence necessary?

00:40:31.000 Was it necessary in this particular case?

00:40:34.000 Really interesting stuff.

00:40:35.000 The other one, and this is a great question, so I have another one that I love.

00:40:37.000 I really want somebody to make a full-scale dramatic film about the Frasier-Ali fight.

00:40:42.000 There's a great documentary that I've recommended before.

00:40:44.000 It's an HBO documentary about the Frasier-Ali fight called Ghosts of Menil.

00:40:49.000 That's quite good.

00:40:50.000 There's a book about it as well that's really good, but it's...

00:40:53.000 Joe Frazier's tale is well worth telling because he was a guy who grew up in Philadelphia, dirt poor.

00:40:58.000 Rocky's character in Rocky is actually based in part on Joe Frazier.

00:41:02.000 He grew up in Philadelphia, dirt poor.

00:41:05.000 Muhammad Ali grew up middle class in Louisiana and Joe Frazier gave Muhammad Ali a fight.

00:41:10.000 Muhammad Ali was banned from fighting for several years and when he wanted to come back,

00:41:15.000 Joe Frasier gave him a fight.

00:41:16.000 He didn't have to at that point.

00:41:17.000 Joe Frasier was an undefeated heavyweight champion.

00:41:19.000 He didn't have to give Muhammad Ali a fight.

00:41:20.000 He gave him a fight.

00:41:21.000 He encouraged Muhammad Ali's ban to be removed so he could fight, and then he beat him in the first fight.

00:41:26.000 But Muhammad Ali used that fight as a weapon against Joe Frasier.

00:41:30.000 So he would go out in public and he started calling Joe Frasier a gorilla, and he suggested that Joe Frasier was a sellout, and that Joe Frasier, because Joe Frasier was very pro-America,

00:41:38.000 That Joe Frazier was a bad guy, and the entire black community, or at least large segments of it, swung behind Muhammad Ali and against Joe Frazier, who five minutes beforehand had been a hero to many members of the black community.

00:41:47.000 It was a real culture war.

00:41:49.000 And that culture war extended all the way through the third Frazier-Ali fight in which — the thrill in Manila — in which Frazier and Ali basically went to war.

00:41:55.000 They both almost died on the canvas.

00:41:58.000 And Frazier really — I mean, he said he wanted to kill Ali in the ring because he was so angry with Ali for having destroyed his legacy and for having 0.71

00:42:04.000 Contributed to his his unpopularity in the black community.

00:42:07.000 It's really fascinating Ang Lee was supposed to make a movie about all of this and Ang Lee did did not end up doing it I'm trying I think like this would make a good it wouldn't be along the lines what he normally does But I think that Peter Weir could do a really good job with something like this The guy who did Master and Commander and as far as the the Harper's Ferry story that the John Brown story Christopher Nolan would do an amazing bang-up job with that because he could do all sorts of flashbacks and time stuff would be really interesting okay, so

00:42:35.000 Well, first of all, I just love that there is now a Space Force!

00:42:52.000 I just hope that we can ship man crates up to Space Force.

00:42:56.000 That's all I really want in life.

00:42:57.000 So, first of all, I think all the ads should be cut from Starship Troopers.

00:43:01.000 It would be just fantastic.

00:43:03.000 And I love that Donald Trump is so into Space Force.

00:43:06.000 Listen, I like it.

00:43:08.000 I'll admit, I'm fond of Space Force.

00:43:10.000 I think that there will be battles in space eventually.

00:43:13.000 And if there aren't, then we've all been shortchanged by the movies for the last 30 years.

00:43:16.000 So, I'm okay with the idea that the United States should be investigating how we defend ourselves from threats that are space-imminent.

00:43:23.000 Plus, how else are we going to ensure that if there's an asteroid hurtling toward Earth, that we can prevent it?

00:43:30.000 I mean, are we going to send Bruce Willis up there with Ben Affleck?

00:43:32.000 And if so, why exactly would Bruce Willis die to save Ben Affleck?

00:43:36.000 Why?

00:43:37.000 Hey, that's the real question there.

00:43:39.000 Who wants to save Ben Affleck in any circumstance?

00:43:41.000 And why would Bruce Willis do so? 0.99

00:43:43.000 Foolish, foolish move, Bruce Willis. 0.99

00:43:45.000 Don't worry. 1.00

00:43:46.000 Liv Tyler will get over it.

00:43:47.000 But, you know.

00:43:49.000 Oh, well.

00:43:49.000 Andrew says, hi, Ben.

00:43:50.000 I was wondering what your opinion on the CIA intervention in Latin America is.

00:43:53.000 I hear many claims about how this was true imperialism of the United States, even that it should be justified for affirmative action and open borders for people from those countries.

00:44:00.000 Was it U.S.

00:44:00.000 profits or to save Central and South America from the horror of Marxism?

00:44:03.000 It was to save Central and South America from the horror of Marxism. 0.91

00:44:06.000 Okay, the Sandinistas were evil. 0.99

00:44:07.000 Okay, the Sandinistas, the Marxist Sandinistas, they were bad people, the Nicaraguan Sandinistas. 0.96

00:44:12.000 There were Marxist movements that murdered, slaughtered, literally tens of thousands of people.

00:44:18.000 In these areas, does that mean that all the people the United States sided with in those conflicts were wonderful human beings?

00:44:24.000 No, it doesn't.

00:44:25.000 But it also happens to be true that the dictatorships that existed in those regions, pretty in relatively short order, you know, speaking in terms of global timelines, devolved into something much more closely resembling Western democracy than states that fell to Marxist tyranny.

00:44:39.000 Marxism is a great, great evil.

00:44:41.000 And backing freedom movements against Marxist tyranny seems to me worthwhile.

00:44:45.000 And even backing bad guys against Marxist movements very often ends up being worthwhile in the shorter run than it would be if you've got a Marxist regime running in place.

00:44:51.000 I mean, Cuba's still being run in Marxist fashion.

00:44:53.000 So is North Korea. 0.70

00:44:54.000 Do you see the possibility of the American political scene moving beyond a two-party system?

00:45:03.000 Not the way that it's built.

00:45:04.000 So the fact that we have a first-past-the-poll system, in terms of how our elections work, tends to bias toward a two-party system, because two people are usually going to be near the top of the list.

00:45:15.000 And that means that if it's the first person past that poll wins, whoever has the most money and the most infrastructure is likely to have benefit.

00:45:22.000 Michael says, Hey Ben, I'm a fan of the show.

00:45:23.000 I know there's been a lot of criticism from the right and from President Trump on Jeff Sessions since he became AG.

00:45:27.000 So my question is, what would be your grade for AG Sessions so far?

00:45:29.000 Thanks, Michael.

00:45:31.000 I like A.G.

00:45:31.000 Sessions.

00:45:31.000 I think Sessions has done a pretty good job.

00:45:33.000 I think that Sessions is an honest guy.

00:45:35.000 I disagree with him about the drug war.

00:45:37.000 I think that...

00:45:40.000 His words about marijuana, I don't agree with on a scientific basis.

00:45:43.000 But I think that as a guy who's trying to enforce the law in honest fashion, I don't understand the hatred for Jeff Sessions.

00:45:49.000 I think that he's doing his best and he's trying to be an honest broker.

00:45:52.000 I know that a lot of people are very angry at Sessions for not protecting Trump in the way that Eric Holder protected Barack Obama.

00:45:56.000 But that's because Eric Holder was not supposed to do that.

00:45:58.000 That's not the job of the AG.

00:46:00.000 And I think that it's too bad that people now think that all of these areas of government ought to be weaponized because the other side has weaponized them.

00:46:06.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:46:09.000 So, things that I like.

00:46:10.000 Yesterday, I did a Dvorak piano quintet.

00:46:13.000 So sticking with the Dvorak theme, I mentioned this yesterday on the show.

00:46:16.000 The second movement of his New World Symphony is very famous.

00:46:19.000 You'll recognize it probably when I play it.

00:46:21.000 But it is a magnificent piece.

00:46:23.000 The Symphony No.

00:46:23.000 9 in C minor.

00:46:24.000 The New World Symphony is one of the great pieces in the Western canon.

00:46:29.000 It is just fantastic.

00:46:30.000 And the second movement is just heartbreakingly beautiful.

00:47:11.000 It's just amazing music.

00:47:13.000 And, yeah, check that out.

00:47:15.000 When people ask me, you know, what's a good piece for the introduction of people who don't like classical music into classical music, this is a great piece to recommend.

00:47:20.000 The New World Symphony, from beginning to end, it's just terrific.

00:47:23.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:47:29.000 So, the first thing that I hate is, you know, kind of in line with that music.

00:47:34.000 Charles Krauthammer passed away yesterday, so Charles Krauthammer died.

00:47:36.000 Truly, I think, the thought leader for an entire generation of people who are growing up on political commentary.

00:47:42.000 When I say that I grew up

00:47:44.000 Reading Charles Krauthammer.

00:47:45.000 I don't mean just that I grew up reading Charles Krauthammer as I got older.

00:47:48.000 I mean that Charles Krauthammer helps you grow up.

00:47:50.000 When you read Charles Krauthammer, you realize this is a person who examines all sides of issues.

00:47:54.000 He was a nuanced writer and a nuanced thinker.

00:47:56.000 He was somebody who really deeply thought about things.

00:47:59.000 One of the things that was interesting about Krauthammer that I happen to know is that Krauthammer was not all that much into the daily headlines.

00:48:03.000 I remember the first time that I met him was in his offices in Washington, D.C., along with some colleagues from Breitbart, where I was working at that point.

00:48:09.000 I don't know.

00:48:25.000 We're good.

00:48:48.000 An amazing human being.

00:48:50.000 I talked about him a little bit when it was announced that he was going to pass away.

00:48:53.000 He's somebody who I want to emulate.

00:48:56.000 When you're younger, you want to be a provocateur.

00:48:57.000 When you're 17, 18 years old, you think that the way you're going to make your way in politics is by saying provocative things.

00:49:02.000 You know, things that get the headline, things that get the click.

00:49:04.000 I get it.

00:49:05.000 I was there.

00:49:05.000 If you read my early writing, it's a lot more provocateur-ish.

00:49:07.000 And as you get older, you realize it's less worthwhile to be a provocateur and more worthwhile to try and be like Charles Krauthammer.

00:49:13.000 Krauthammer was also a real craftsman of the word.

00:49:15.000 He's somebody who really spent time on his writing, and you can read it.

00:49:18.000 I mean, he had a real gift for making hard work seem as though it was easily written.

00:49:22.000 If you read his stuff, it feels like this is so natural to read, but apparently he went over every column that he ever wrote something like 15 times.

00:49:29.000 And you always got the impression that he thought things through.

00:49:32.000 I remember, you know, if you didn't know what to think on an issue, he was somebody who you always read.

00:49:36.000 And even if you disagreed with him, he was somebody who was making a great argument.

00:49:39.000 He was also deeply intellectually curious.

00:49:41.000 I remember the second time, I only met him twice.

00:49:42.000 The second time that I met him, I met him over at the PragerU offices.

00:49:45.000 This is probably just a year ago.

00:49:46.000 And he was doing a video for PragerU about building the wall, actually, suggesting that President Trump was right when he said that we ought to build a wall on the southern border of the United States.

00:49:54.000 And I was talking with him a little bit, and we were talking about, I guess healthcare was in the news at that point, and he asked me the distinction between the Australian healthcare system and the Canadian healthcare system.

00:50:04.000 Now, both are nationalized healthcare systems, and there are some minor nuances to them that are different.

00:50:10.000 Like in Canada, it's universal healthcare from top to bottom.

00:50:13.000 In Australia, you are basically supposed to, you're incentivized to buy a private healthcare plan.

00:50:17.000 But, you know, I will say that I felt insufficient in my answers, and I remember coming away thinking,

00:50:22.000 Was he grilling me?

00:50:23.000 Like, was he testing me?

00:50:24.000 And then I realized he wasn't grilling me or testing me.

00:50:26.000 He actually wanted to know.

00:50:27.000 And that was the thing about Krauthammer.

00:50:29.000 He always wanted to know from a lot of people who knew him a lot better than I did.

00:50:31.000 This is a guy who is insatiably curious intellectually.

00:50:35.000 And, you know, when he passed away, before he passed away, he put out a statement where he said,

00:50:38.000 I leave this life with no regrets.

00:50:39.000 It was a wonderful life, full and complete, with the great loves and great endeavors that make it worth living.

00:50:43.000 I'm sad to leave, but I leave with the knowledge that I lived the life that I intended.

00:50:46.000 You can't ask for more than that.

00:50:47.000 You can't ask for more than that.

00:50:48.000 And may we all feel that way when we go.

00:50:51.000 So Baruch Dayan Haimet, he's a Jewish guy.

00:50:53.000 That just means blessed is the true judge in Hebrew.

00:50:55.000 We always say that when somebody dies.

00:50:57.000 And, you know, I think that his work is going to live on.

00:51:00.000 And the Washington Nationals did a nice tribute to him last night.

00:51:02.000 He was a huge baseball fan.

00:51:03.000 The Washington Nationals held a moment of silence for him last night.

00:51:06.000 Which was just great.

00:51:07.000 Okay, so final thing that I hate today, and then we will break for the weekend so I Have to say do not people who get deeply invested in politicians.

00:51:16.000 I Can't I can't go there.

00:51:18.000 I can't go there politicians are just like a plumber there people who have a job and you get that deeply invested in politicians as the avatar of your emotions and the avatar of your feelings and the avatar of your values I think you're making a big mistake.

00:51:28.000 We should we should

00:51:30.000 Be invested in members of your family.

00:51:31.000 Be invested in people you know.

00:51:33.000 Be invested in people not telling lies.

00:51:34.000 But when you get deeply invested in, like, the personal travails of a particular political figure, I think that we're verging on something that's not great.

00:51:42.000 So here's some video of some Trump supporters at a recent rally.

00:51:45.000 And as I said, I mean, I started the show today by saying the media have been lying routinely about President Trump.

00:51:48.000 So this is not about the media not lying about Trump.

00:51:50.000 They do lie about Trump on a routine basis.

00:51:52.000 But the sort of emotional response that people have to President Trump, it was true of Obama, too, on the left.

00:51:57.000 I don't think it's healthy for any political leader.

00:51:59.000 Family means a lot to us, so we have to do it.

00:52:02.000 I see you getting emotional.

00:52:04.000 Why is that?

00:52:06.000 Because... we didn't... I just... yeah.

00:52:15.000 You know, listen, I understand you're emotionally invested in politics, but President Trump can handle it, okay?

00:52:24.000 He's a tough guy.

00:52:24.000 He's a big, strong guy.

00:52:25.000 President Trump has taken a lot of slings and arrows.

00:52:27.000 He'll be fine.

00:52:28.000 We should not be so invested in our political leaders that we start to get emotional about what great men, how could they possibly be?

00:52:35.000 That's the nature of the game.

00:52:36.000 You get in the game, that's the way the game works.

00:52:38.000 It is like crying every time your favorite quarterback gets sacked.

00:52:41.000 That's part of the game.

00:52:43.000 You may be upset that he got sacked, but, you know, this is part of the acceptable risk of the game, and I think that we all ought to be a little more tough-minded about our voting politicians on any side of the aisle.

00:52:51.000 Okay, well, we will be back here on Monday with all the latest.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 22, 2018

I Really Don’t Care, Do U? | Ep. 566

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