The Ben Shapiro Show - IMMIGRATION FIGHT: Will Salvadoran Illegal Immigrant Return?

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00:00:24.000 Alrighty, so the Trump administration is in the middle of a...

00:00:27.000 Very hot fight with regards to this deported Salvadoran migrant.

00:00:31.000 The deported Salvadoran migrant, whose name is Kilmar Abrego Garcia, you'll recall, had a deportation order on him.

00:00:40.000 He was an illegal immigrant.

00:00:41.000 And then there was a withholding order that suggested that he could not be sent back to El Salvador because he claimed that he had fear for his life, that he'd be killed in El Salvador because he's a Salvadoran migrant and maybe he had gang ties and maybe he didn't.

00:00:53.000 The court said that the executive branch of the United States government, He had good cause to believe that he might in fact be a gang member, a member of MS-13.

00:01:02.000 President Trump then declared MS-13 a terrorist organization.

00:01:06.000 And so the idea now is that sort of retroactively he becomes a terrorist because he was suspected of being a member of MS-13.

00:01:13.000 Well, he was sort of accidentally deported.

00:01:16.000 He was not supposed to be on the plane because of that withholding order that said he was not supposed to be sent back to El Salvador.

00:01:21.000 He was sent back to El Salvador.

00:01:23.000 A district court found that The government had to facilitate his return from El Salvador back to the United States so he could have due process before we deported him.

00:01:32.000 Again, that case ended up going to the Supreme Court.

00:01:35.000 And in a 9-0 order, the Supreme Court stated that the district court had the power to say that the United States government, the White House, ought to facilitate his return to the United States, but they didn't define the term facilitate.

00:01:49.000 So here is what the actual court order said.

00:01:54.000 It said, quote, The application is granted in part and denied in part subject to the direction of this order.

00:01:59.000 Due to the administrative state issued by the Chief Justice, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed.

00:02:04.000 To that extent, the government's emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective.

00:02:10.000 The order properly requires the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been properly sent to El Salvador.

00:02:21.000 The intended scope of the term effectuate in the district court's order is, however, unclear and may exceed the district court's authority.

00:02:27.000 The district court should clarify its directive with any due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.

00:02:32.000 For its part, the government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.

00:02:38.000 So if that sounds vague to you, that's because it's incredibly vague.

00:02:41.000 So the government apparently, under the Supreme Court order, has a duty to facilitate his release from custody.

00:02:47.000 But how exactly it's effectuated?

00:02:49.000 How that doesn't infringe on the executive branch's ability to do deportations, that part is unclear.

00:02:55.000 So that's left the door open to the administration claiming, well, when you say that we need to facilitate, we asked the Salvadorans and they said no, so I guess that's us facilitating.

00:03:02.000 And the opposite case would be, well, you do have a contract with the Salvadoran government to keep these prisons filled with illegal immigrants being deported there, criminal illegal immigrants, and so you could do more than ask.

00:03:13.000 You could basically demand in the Salvadoran government under the terms of the contract.

00:03:19.000 Well, now, things are getting very hot because, as the case, you heard, was remanded back to district court for clarification.

00:03:31.000 That very often happens.

00:03:32.000 The higher court will say, the district court, the lower court, needs to look at it again and clarify what exactly they meant before we decide whether it was right or whether it was wrong.

00:03:40.000 Well, now, that case, which has been remanded back to a U.S. district court judge, and Paula Gines, that case, Is again in the news because Zinas ran out of patience with attorneys for the DOJ at a hearing on Tuesday regarding the deportation and imprisonment of Kilmar Abrego Garcia,

00:03:55.000 eviscerating their efforts to redefine the word facilitate from a Supreme Court ruling and instructing them to cancel their vacations to comply with a two-week inquiry into the matter.

00:04:04.000 This is according to Mediaite.

00:04:05.000 Abrego Garcia came to the United States illegally as a minor around 2011.

00:04:09.000 His legal team says he was fleeing gang violence.

00:04:11.000 He was living in Maryland with his wife and three children.

00:04:13.000 He was then sent.

00:04:15.000 Two, that maximum security prison in El Salvador.

00:04:19.000 In at least three court filings, Trump administration officials have concluded that he was mistakenly deported.

00:04:25.000 Now, the DOJ officials who said that have now been fired.

00:04:27.000 So the Trump administration didn't like that they admitted in court filings that it was a mistake to send him back to El Salvador.

00:04:32.000 Junius had ordered the administration to arrange his return.

00:04:35.000 The Supreme Court ruling then said what we said it said, that they had to facilitate, but what did it mean by facilitate?

00:04:40.000 Well, now the White House is insisting that Abrego Garcia's arrest, deportation, and imprisonment We're justified. 0.99

00:04:45.000 They called him a gang member and a terrorist, and they say that they have no power to actually get him back from that Salvadoran prison.

00:04:52.000 Well, Gina said that you're not doing anything to facilitate.

00:04:56.000 They said you're not even giving us answers.

00:04:57.000 Quote, to date, what the record shows is that nothing has been done, said the judge.

00:05:00.000 Nothing. She then added the court would have no tolerance for gamesmanship or grandstanding to thwart getting the answers it sought and scolded the lawyers to clear their schedules. 0.96

00:05:07.000 She said, quote, we're going to move.

00:05:08.000 There are no business hours while we do this.

00:05:10.000 Cancel vacations.

00:05:11.000 Cancel other appointments.

00:05:12.000 I'm usually pretty good about things like this in my court, but not this time.

00:05:14.000 I expect all hands on deck.

00:05:17.000 The judge then granted the attorneys for the illegal immigrant the ability to subpoena documents, send interrogatory requests and subpoena up to two additional people to collect evidence about where exactly this guy is, what the government has done to secure his immediate return for more due process to the United States,

00:05:35.000 and the rest.

00:05:37.000 And then in the order, there's a specific section talking about what facilitate means.

00:05:41.000 Quote, notably, to facilitate means to make the occurrence of something easier to render less difficult.

00:05:46.000 Merriam-Webster defines the term as to make easier or less difficult to free from difficulty or impediment.

00:05:51.000 Defendants remain obligated at a minimum to take the steps available to them toward aiding, assisting, or making easier Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and resuming his status quo ante.

00:05:59.000 The record reflects defendants have done nothing at all.

00:06:01.000 Instead, defendants obliquely suggest facilitate is limited to taking all available steps.

00:06:05.000 To remove domestic obstacles that would otherwise impede the alien's ability to return here.

00:06:09.000 The fallacy in the defendant's argument is twofold.

00:06:12.000 First, in the immigration context, facilitating return of those wrongly deported can and has included more governmental efforts.

00:06:18.000 Thus, the court can't credit that facilitating the order relief as limited to just domestic action.

00:06:24.000 Second, defendants appear to have done nothing to aid his release from custody.

00:06:28.000 So, this raises a couple of questions.

00:06:30.000 One is sort of the legal question and one is the political question.

00:06:33.000 So, the Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance, went on X and put out the following statement related to due process because there are people right, left, and center who are saying, listen, this guy isn't going to end up in the country, nor should he end up in the country.

00:06:45.000 But you do have to go through a process, and if you do the process wrong and the court says you did the process wrong, you do actually have to facilitate his release back to the United States, not into the general population, but back to the authorities of the United States for more due process so he can check the boxes and then the guy can be deported again.

00:07:01.000 And again, that's not a political thing.

00:07:03.000 There are people who are right and left and center who are all saying, yeah, this guy has to go, but you do have to actually fill out the boxes.

00:07:10.000 You can't just randomly deport people and then if you admit you made a mistake, then go, oh, well, no harm, no foul, whoopsie-daisy.

00:07:15.000 So Vice President Vance is taking the position that the administration is totally right not to facilitate due process in this particular case, essentially due to hardship.

00:07:26.000 And this is one arena where I think that the administration...

00:07:29.000 Two things can be true at once.

00:07:31.000 One, the administration should, in fact, deport this guy.

00:07:33.000 They should deport anybody who's connected with MS-13, anybody who does not have American citizenship, who's engaged in sympathy for anti-American views, engaged in action that is anti-American.

00:07:45.000 The administration should absolutely deport all those people.

00:07:48.000 We don't need more of those in our country.

00:07:50.000 It doesn't matter your ethnicity.

00:07:51.000 It matters your belief system and your activity.

00:07:53.000 Those are the things that matter when it comes to deporting people.

00:07:56.000 And this administration has pledged to deport.

00:08:00.000 That does not mean, on the other hand, that there shouldn't be due process, because due process is something that is spelled out by the judiciary.

00:08:09.000 And the argument that's being made on this sort of legalistic right is, well, if due process can be curbed for non-citizens, then due process can be curbed for citizens as well.

00:08:19.000 And maybe that's not true.

00:08:22.000 Maybe that's something the administration is not interested in doing.

00:08:24.000 It doesn't help when the president says that he'd love to deport Americans to El Salvador.

00:08:28.000 Because that is giving—I know he's trolling.

00:08:30.000 I get it.

00:08:30.000 And the president loves to troll.

00:08:32.000 But if you're making the argument that, sure, due process might be able to be abridged for cases of necessity by the executive branch for non-American citizens, then you really should draw a hard line between, you know, American citizens and non-American citizens.

00:08:44.000 Here's President Trump talking about the idea of sending Americans to El Salvador to go to prison there.

00:08:49.000 Well, again, if you're going to make that case, that you actually want to do that, what you'd have to say is they would remain under our jurisdiction such that we could get them back if a mistake was made.

00:08:57.000 What you don't want is the situation of this Albrego Garcia fellow, now applied to, say, an American criminal who ends up in El Salvador and we quote-unquote can't get him back because the Salvadoran government says no.

00:09:07.000 Anyway, here's President Trump.

00:09:09.000 I call them homegrown criminals. 1.00

00:09:12.000 I mean, the homegrown.

00:09:13.000 The homegrown.

00:09:13.000 The ones that grew up and something went wrong and they hit people over the head with a baseball bat.

00:09:19.000 We have, and push people into subways just before the train gets there, like you see happening sometimes.

00:09:26.000 We are looking into it, and we want to do it.

00:09:28.000 I would love to do that.

00:09:31.000 Now, again, is that trolling?

00:09:33.000 It for sure is trolling.

00:09:34.000 Caroline Levitt at the White House, though, has a rule, and that rule is the president is never trolling. 0.56

00:09:38.000 Take what he says completely seriously from her position.

00:09:41.000 Again, that's her position. 0.89

00:09:42.000 It's what she's there to do.

00:09:44.000 Here she was explaining that she's looking at ways to maybe jail Americans in El Salvador.

00:09:48.000 I know you said that President Trump is looking at it, but can you explain to us a little bit more about how that might be possible?

00:09:54.000 We're looking at it, and when I have more for you to share, I certainly will.

00:09:59.000 Okay, now, in reality, that's not going to happen, obviously.

00:10:02.000 What's she going to say?

00:10:02.000 She's not going to reject what Trump is saying out of hand.

00:10:04.000 The reality is there's no legal basis for taking Americans and shipping them down to El Salvador if we don't have control of the prison system in El Salvador, at least contractually in some way.

00:10:14.000 Okay, now, that's the legal side of this, and the question here is whether that legal fight is the fight that the administration wants to have.

00:10:20.000 Maybe this goes back up to the Supreme Court, and maybe the Supreme Court says, you know what, it's quite possible that the executive branch does have the power to curb due process here, but by continuing to fight the judiciary sort of every step of the way, as opposed to, I mean, this is very easy, just tell Bukele in El Salvador to return the guy,

00:10:37.000 give him his day in court, and ship him out again.

00:10:40.000 But the administration takes the view.

00:10:43.000 I get it.

00:10:44.000 This administration and the entire right has been conditioned to take the view that ever admitting a mistake or a course correcting is some sign of weakness.

00:10:51.000 And I get it because the legacy media are willing to attack on any basis.

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00:13:09.000 Sometimes it is better to just do the quick and easy thing and then move on to the actual priorities because, especially with regard to immigration, there are actual priorities.

00:13:17.000 However, here's what the Vice President said on X, quote, Now,

00:13:43.000 again, I agree with every word of that, every single word.

00:13:46.000 He continues to say the administration must observe due process is to beg the question.

00:13:49.000 What process is due is a function of our resources, the public interest, the status of the accused, proposed punishment, and so many other factors.

00:13:56.000 To put it in concrete terms, imposing the death penalty on an American citizen requires more legal process than deporting an illegal alien to their country of origin. 0.83

00:14:03.000 Again, all of that is legally true.

00:14:05.000 He says, when the media and the far left obsess over an MS-13 gang member and demand he be returned to the United States for a third deportation hearing, what they're really saying is they want the vast majority of illegal aliens to stay here permanently.

00:14:16.000 And here is where things start to go awry.

00:14:19.000 He is right on the politics of this.

00:14:21.000 He is right on the politics of this.

00:14:22.000 And again, that's a separate question.

00:14:23.000 Two things can be true at once.

00:14:25.000 The administration can be taking a legally dicey position and also a politically popular position.

00:14:29.000 Those two things can live in perfect harmony.

00:14:32.000 Legally dicey and politically popular?

00:14:34.000 Our constant aspects of many of the policy decisions made by leaders on both sides.

00:14:38.000 And as we'll get to in a moment, it's a political winner for the Trump administration to say we want to deport all these people and force the Democrats into the position of defending illegal alien gang members or suspected gang members.

00:14:49.000 That is a politically winning position.

00:14:51.000 However, if you are setting up a predicate where you actually want to get things done, you should be doing things the right way because it's faster and easier to do it the right way than it is to do it the wrong way and then fight it out in the courts every step of the way.

00:15:01.000 Vice President Vance continues.

00:15:04.000 Here's a useful test.

00:15:05.000 Ask the people weeping over the lack of due process what precisely they propose for dealing with Biden's millions and millions of illegals.

00:15:10.000 And with reasonable resource and administrative judge constraints, does their solution allow us to deport at least a few million people per year?

00:15:16.000 If the answer is no, they've given the game away.

00:15:18.000 They don't want border security.

00:15:19.000 They don't want us to deport to people who have come into our country illegally.

00:15:22.000 They want to accomplish through fake legal process what they failed to accomplish politically.

00:15:25.000 The ratification of Biden's illegal migrant invasion, President

00:15:28.000 Well, that's actually not the claim.

00:15:31.000 Okay, this particular human had a withholding order, meaning that he was not supposed to be sent to El Salvador.

00:15:37.000 The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of illegal immigrants do not, in fact, have such an order. 0.65

00:15:41.000 And you could effectuate the law on them quickly and easily without some sort of subsequent hearing because there's no paperwork on them.

00:15:47.000 The whole problem with this particular guy is you picked a bad example and you should just fix it and then send him out of the country again and then continue deporting hundreds and thousands of illegal immigrants. 0.98

00:15:57.000 Remember, with Abrego Garcia, same plane.

00:16:00.000 There were hundreds of illegal immigrants.

00:16:01.000 Who are not subject to any of this controversy because none of them had any sort of withholding order put in place by a court.

00:16:09.000 So you can have both and is sort of the argument that I'm making.

00:16:12.000 You can win legally.

00:16:13.000 You can do the right legal thing, which continues to give people the assurance that due process is carried out, gives the courts the assurance due process is carried out, and also win the political fight.

00:16:22.000 Now Democrats, fortunately for Republicans, are willing to Leroy Jenkins pretty much every political fight, just run directly into the heart of danger.

00:16:31.000 The Democrats have decided they are now going to visit an El Salvadoran prison.

00:16:35.000 And this, of course, leads to the very wide open political argument.

00:16:39.000 You guys won't even stand and clap for the family of Lake and Riley at the State of the Union address.

00:16:45.000 But you will fly down to an El Salvadoran prison to meet with illegal immigrant gang members to grant them some sort of American sympathy.

00:16:53.000 What the hell is wrong with you people?

00:16:55.000 You won't get up at the State of the Union and applaud for the family of Jocelyn Nungary, who is a child murdered by illegal immigrants when a national park was named after her. 0.99

00:17:05.000 But you will go out of your way to fly all the way down to El Salvador just to do a photo op with people, the vast majority of whom we know are gang members.

00:17:13.000 This is your move?

00:17:15.000 Like, seriously, this is your move?

00:17:17.000 It's so politically incompetent as to boggle the mind.

00:17:20.000 Truly, President Trump has the best of luck in his opponents.

00:17:23.000 It's really amazing.

00:17:24.000 Like, if Democrats really wanted to make this an issue, what they really should do is they should stand outside the Supreme Court and they should say, This president refuses to abide by the orders of the Supreme Court that threatens due process.

00:17:34.000 Okay, it wouldn't be like an amazing political argument, but it's certainly better than flying down to an El Salvadoran prison to hang out with the world's worst criminals on the basis that America somehow owes them more.

00:17:44.000 That's just a political fail on every possible level.

00:17:47.000 So Chris Van Hollen, speaking of political fails, senator from Maryland, here he was getting on a plane going down to El Salvador.

00:17:54.000 I'm here at the airport.

00:17:55.000 I'm about to board my flight for San Salvador.

00:17:58.000 The goal of this mission is to let the Trump administration, to let the government of El Salvador know that we are going to keep fighting to bring Albrego Garcia home until he returns to his family.

00:18:13.000 I hope to meet with representatives of the government.

00:18:16.000 I hope to have the chance to actually see Kilmar and see what his condition is.

00:18:22.000 We are going to keep fighting because this is a miscarriage of justice.

00:18:26.000 The Supreme Court has ruled nine to zero, nine to zero, that he was illegally taken out of the country and put in a prison in El Salvador.

00:18:37.000 And this is about due process.

00:18:40.000 This is about rule of law.

00:18:42.000 What bullies do is they begin by picking on the most vulnerable.

00:18:46.000 But if we get rid of the rule of law, due process, the United States, it's a short road.

00:18:54.000 God, they picked the worst, the worst friends.

00:18:57.000 It's truly incredible.

00:18:58.000 It's truly incredible.

00:18:59.000 So it's not just that he wants this person to receive due process, which again, that's a fair argument.

00:19:04.000 He's making the argument he wants to bring this guy home.

00:19:07.000 He wants to take this guy, get him out of prison, and bring him back to Maryland.

00:19:10.000 An illegal immigrant who is credibly accused of being a gang member.

00:19:14.000 We need more of that in our country, according to Chris Van Hollen.

00:19:16.000 Again, they can't stop themselves.

00:19:18.000 They have to go the whole hog. 0.96

00:19:19.000 They can't just make the case.

00:19:20.000 That the Trump administration is pushing on the bounds of legality in a wide variety of areas.

00:19:24.000 Again, a case that you could at least facially make.

00:19:28.000 But instead, they are pushing on the idea that this person needs to be freed and brought back to the United States where he can live in Maryland.

00:19:34.000 We're going to bring him home.

00:19:36.000 And I'd love to see the same sort of enthusiasm from Chris Van Hollen for, you know, bringing home American citizen Idan Alexander, who's currently sitting in a tunnel thanks to Hamas. 0.53

00:19:46.000 He just doesn't have the same enthusiasm.

00:19:48.000 He certainly doesn't have the same enthusiasm for victims of illegal immigrant crime in the United States, but he has a lot of sympathy on a personal level for this person, an illegal immigrant who was deported.

00:19:58.000 And again, by the way, this person is not going to end up in the United States.

00:20:00.000 This is a point Stephen Miller, the deputy special advisor to the president, was making the other day, which is that there's no situation in which this person ends up back in the United States permanently.

00:20:09.000 It's not going to happen.

00:20:10.000 But they have to make a hero.

00:20:12.000 The left cannot help it.

00:20:13.000 They must make a hero out of everyone targeted by the right, even if that person is...

00:20:17.000 Not a good person or a person who should not be in the United States. 0.91

00:20:21.000 And it's not just Chris Van Hollen.

00:20:22.000 Democrats are such idiots on this.

00:20:24.000 Man, it's just political malpractice.

00:20:26.000 Axios reported on Tuesday, Representatives Robert Garcia of California and Maxwell Frost of Florida sent a letter to House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer requesting an official congressional delegation to conduct a welfare check of deported El Salvadoran and alleged MS-13 gang member Kimmel Abrego Garcia.

00:20:41.000 This is just ridiculous.

00:20:43.000 I'm sorry, it's ridiculous.

00:20:44.000 I hope that...

00:20:45.000 I hope that...

00:20:46.000 Comer says yes.

00:20:48.000 I mean, seriously, do it.

00:20:50.000 Let the Democrats go.

00:20:52.000 Let them go hang out with the illegal immigrants, many of whom are gang members down in El Salvador, and say that those people deserve more from the United States. 1.00

00:21:01.000 Really, truly high-level political malpractice from the Democrats.

00:21:05.000 Again, two things true at once.

00:21:06.000 The legal stance being taken by the Trump administration, I think, is counterproductive in the end.

00:21:10.000 I think it's going to tick off the courts, and I think it's going to make it harder for them to do the things they need to do.

00:21:14.000 At the same time, The politics of the situation play strongly in favor of Republicans because most Americans are not interested in arguments over whether suspected MS-13 gang members ought to be in the United States.

00:21:27.000 And again, one of the reasons I'm saying that the Trump administration should get out of its own way legally here is just bring him back.

00:21:32.000 They should do whatever hearing they have to do, send him out again.

00:21:35.000 The reason I'm saying that is because actual important things are happening on the immigration front, according to the Washington Post.

00:21:41.000 The Trump administration is now using personal data normally protected from dissemination to find illegal immigrants where they work, study, and live, often with the goal of removing them from their housing and the workforce.

00:21:51.000 At the Department of Housing and Urban Development, for example, officials are working on a rule that would ban mixed status households, in which some families have legal status and others don't, from public housing.

00:22:00.000 Affiliates from the U.S. Doge Service are also looking to kick out existing mixed status households, vowing to ensure undocumented immigrants do not benefit from public programs, even if they live with citizens or other eligible family members.

00:22:11.000 The push extends across agencies.

00:22:13.000 Last week, Social Security Administration entered the names and social security numbers of more than 6,000, mostly Latino immigrants, into a database it uses to track dead people, effectively slashing their ability to receive benefits or work legally in the United States.

00:22:25.000 In other words, they're looking for fake social security numbers so they can bar people from illegally working in the United States.

00:22:31.000 All of this is good and all of this is necessary.

00:22:33.000 Doge is doing a great job of tracking down the misuse of American resources.

00:22:39.000 And by the way, there are other legal fights that the Trump administration can be taking on that are going to be winners.

00:22:43.000 So, for example, a federal judge on Monday temporarily blocked the Trump administration from revoking Joe Biden's migration program for people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.

00:22:54.000 A U.S. District Court judge in Boston issued a stay of an executive order saying the early termination without any case-by-case justification of legal status for non-citizens who have complied with DHS programs and entered the country lawfully undermines the rule of law.

00:23:07.000 But that, of course, is...

00:23:08.000 Ridiculous. Joe Biden unilaterally declared widespread migration temporary protected status for entire countries.

00:23:17.000 And the Trump administration is reversing that somehow Biden can do it with the stroke of a pen, but Trump can't undo it with the stroke of a pen.

00:23:23.000 That is one that should go to the Supreme Court and Trump will win.

00:23:26.000 So there are lots of wins on the table.

00:23:27.000 It just seems to me that fighting the due process considerations for Abrego Garcia should not take precedence over the rest of the Trump agenda.

00:23:38.000 And again, it does play into a narrative that the left is currently trying to build about the Trump administration, that they are lawless, they're attempting to violate the law.

00:23:47.000 One of those issues is, for example, the Trump administration, President Trump directing the DOJ to look into Chris Krebs, who was the person who oversaw cybersecurity during the 2020 presidential election, an appointee of President Trump.

00:24:03.000 Now, you'll remember, just a few days ago, President Trump signed an executive order.

00:24:06.000 Basically, not only revoking his security clearance, but ordering a DOJ review of his activities as a government employee.

00:24:13.000 Because Krebs said that he lost the election fair and square in 2020.

00:24:17.000 So Jonathan Swan, who is in fact a very good reporter, he asked Caroline Levitt, doesn't this appear to be an abuse of power?

00:24:25.000 Like, you don't want the DOJ directing, being directed to target President Trump.

00:24:29.000 Why are you using the DOJ to attack President Trump's political opponents?

00:24:35.000 Last week, President Trump explicitly directed the Justice Department to scrutinize Chris Krebs to see if it can find any evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

00:24:46.000 How is that not an abuse of power to direct the Justice Department to look into an individual, a named individual?

00:24:54.000 Look, the president signed that executive order.

00:24:56.000 It's the position of the president in this White House that it's well within his authority to do it.

00:25:01.000 Otherwise, he wouldn't have signed it.

00:25:02.000 And he signed it, and that's his policy.

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00:27:10.000 Again, like this sort of attack angle by the Trump administration gets in the way of real agenda items because some of what they're doing is amazing.

00:27:20.000 Like, for example, you have to just admire what President Trump is doing with the IRS.

00:27:26.000 According to the Washington Post, the Trump administration on Tuesday named a political ally who raised concerns about Hunter Biden's taxes as the new acting commissioner of the IRS.

00:27:34.000 This is just awesome.

00:27:35.000 Like, this is great.

00:27:36.000 Gary Shapley was elevated in March to become deputy chief of IRS criminal investigations and a senior advisor to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.

00:27:43.000 Soon after his promotion, the IRS acting commissioner, a person named Melanie Krauss, announced plans to leave the agency, making her the third IRS leader to step down since Trump took office.

00:27:51.000 Well, now Shapley is taking over the IRS, and Shapley is one of the people.

00:27:54.000 Who testified to Congress that prosecutors were slow walking the prosecution of Hunter Biden.

00:28:01.000 And he was basically retaliated against by the IRS.

00:28:03.000 And now, in a thing that President Trump loves to do, and it's one of my favorite things that he does, President Trump is now elevating a person targeted by an agency to head up the agency.

00:28:12.000 He did this with Jay Bhattacharya at NIH, and now he is doing it with Gary Shapley at IRS.

00:28:18.000 Shapley's swift elevation alarmed some current and former IRS officials.

00:28:22.000 Who told the Washington Post they were concerned his roles within criminal investigations and atop the agencies could consolidate Trump's power both over criminal and civil tax investigations and audits for the first time since Richard Nixon's presidency.

00:28:35.000 But I have a question.

00:28:36.000 What's wrong with Gary Shapley that you are afraid that he's going to violate the law?

00:28:41.000 He will serve as commissioner until Trump's nominee to run the agency, Billy Long, is confirmed by the Senate.

00:28:47.000 Good for President Trump.

00:28:48.000 I love this.

00:28:49.000 There's good stuff happening under President Trump.

00:28:51.000 That includes, by the way, President Trump's efforts to target Harvard University.

00:28:55.000 So Harvard is not just now being targeted on the basis of its violations of Civil Rights Act Title VI, which says anti-discrimination law applies to those who receive federal funding.

00:29:06.000 Now President Trump is threatening to revoke Harvard's tax-exempt status.

00:29:11.000 He posted on Truth.

00:29:13.000 Social, quote, perhaps Harvard should lose its tax-exempt status and be taxed as a political entity if it keeps pushing political, ideological, and terrorist-inspired supporting sickness.

00:29:21.000 Remember, tax-exempt status is totally contingent on acting in the public interest.

00:29:25.000 Now, there is precedent for this.

00:29:26.000 In 1983, Bob Jones University had its tax-exempt status removed because it opposed, for example, interracial marriage.

00:29:32.000 And the IRS said that is against public policy.

00:29:36.000 Your tax-exempt status is gone now.

00:29:39.000 Well, the idea of going after Harvard in this way is not only perfectly appropriate, it is a use of the Trump administration, of the laws, and the systems created by the left.

00:29:51.000 One of the things that the left is really objecting to is that they created really terrible, censorious, and ugly systems.

00:29:56.000 And now, all those systems are being turned against them.

00:29:59.000 The answer to that, of course, to the left would be, well, maybe you shouldn't have built those systems in the first place.

00:30:04.000 Here is Caroline Levitt at the White House saying that all Trump is saying is that Harvard has to abide by the law.

00:30:10.000 So, the president made it clear to Harvard, follow federal law, no longer break Title VI, which was passed by Congress to ensure no student can be discriminated against on the basis of race, and you will receive federal funding.

00:30:24.000 That, of course, is exactly right.

00:30:27.000 She's exactly right about all this.

00:30:28.000 Now, that's not stopping Chris Van Hollen, who...

00:30:30.000 Apparently, he was the leader of Idiot Day yesterday.

00:30:33.000 Between flying to El Salvador to explain that he wanted to bring back an illegal immigrant, bring him home, a person who's a suspected gang member, and then suggesting that somehow it's a violation of Harvard's First Amendment rights to tell them to abide by the law, man, Van Hollen outdid himself yesterday.

00:30:48.000 So, Kate, I applaud Harvard's decision not to give in to bullying from the Trump administration.

00:30:55.000 Donald Trump believes in First Amendment rights for himself, but apparently for nobody else.

00:31:00.000 Others they will punish when there's an exercise of First Amendment rights.

00:31:07.000 Okay, so it's not about First Amendment rights.

00:31:09.000 It's about violating the actual law.

00:31:11.000 This is the thing that people seem to avoid on the left.

00:31:14.000 They understand it immediately.

00:31:15.000 If you talked about black people in the way that the Jews were talked about on college campuses, it would be in violation of Title VI.

00:31:21.000 Now again, you can...

00:31:23.000 Not like Title VI.

00:31:24.000 In fact, I've had serious objections my entire lifetime to certain aspects, not all aspects, certain aspects of the Civil Rights Act, particularly its intervention into private markets, for example.

00:31:34.000 But the idea that it only applies to certain groups of people, but not other groups of people, is obviously violative of the law.

00:31:41.000 And the fact that Chris Van Hollen and company continue to defend Harvard, like these are the people, you want to defend Harvard University right now?

00:31:46.000 Really? So your choice of people you are defending does not include the hostages.

00:31:52.000 Or American being held in tunnels.

00:31:54.000 And it does not include Americans being killed by illegal immigrants.

00:31:57.000 It does include illegal immigrants in Harvard University.

00:32:00.000 Slow clap for these geniuses.

00:32:01.000 They're really, really great at this.

00:32:03.000 Meanwhile, Democrats continue to struggle because it's not just that they are picking the world's least sympathetic people to defend.

00:32:09.000 The Democrats also have no leadership, like no leadership at all.

00:32:12.000 Joe Biden is off the stage, but yesterday he decided that he would actually come back on the stage to talk about Social Security.

00:32:19.000 It did not go well.

00:32:20.000 I can't imagine why Joe Biden...

00:32:22.000 Was ousted for Kamala Harris and then lost to President Trump.

00:32:24.000 So he was speaking in Chicago, and he proceeded to call black people colored kids, which, I mean, my dude, just, ugh, ugh, like, wow.

00:32:34.000 Here we go.

00:32:36.000 I remember pulling in, pulling into the parking lot, and I had never seen, I had never seen hardly any black people in Scranton at the time, and I was only going in fourth grade.

00:32:50.000 And I remember seeing the kids going by at the time called colored kids on a bus going by.

00:32:55.000 They never turned right to go to Claymont High School.

00:32:57.000 I wonder why.

00:32:58.000 Ask my mom.

00:32:59.000 Why? So in Delaware, they're not allowed to go to school, in public school, with white kids hunting. 0.98

00:33:08.000 Good story, Joe.

00:33:11.000 Remember, this is the person Democrats thought needed to run up until the point where he actually did this live in a debate with President Trump.

00:33:18.000 Staring into the maw of death.

00:33:20.000 He didn't stop there.

00:33:21.000 He then said that he wants to meet 300-year-olds on Social Security.

00:33:25.000 I mean, he's 300 and he's on Social Security, so it's not that implausible.

00:33:28.000 Here we go.

00:33:30.000 By the way, those 300-year-old folk getting that Social Security, I want to meet them because I like to figure out how they live out.

00:33:36.000 Hell of a thing, man.

00:33:38.000 I'm looking for longevity.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, man.

00:33:42.000 And then he said that President Trump has taken a hatchet to Social Security.

00:33:46.000 Which is weird, because literally no one has missed their Social Security check.

00:33:50.000 In fewer than 100 days, this new administration has done so much damage and so much destruction.

00:34:01.000 It's kind of breathtaking it could happen that soon.

00:34:04.000 They've taken a hatchet to the Social Security Administration, pushing an additional 7,000 employees, 7,000, out the door in that time.

00:34:15.000 including the most seasoned officials.

00:34:18.000 Now they're getting ready to push thousands more out the door.

00:34:21.000 Already we can see the effects.

00:34:25.000 For example, thousands of people use the social media

00:34:29.000 So, I asked our sponsors at Perplexity if there have actually been any actual cuts to Social Security under President Trump.

00:34:50.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:34:51.000 There have been no direct cuts to Social Security benefit amounts under President Trump.

00:34:54.000 Throughout both his campaigns and during his administration, Trump has repeatedly pledged not to reduce Social Security benefits.

00:34:59.000 There's no evidence of legislation or executive action that has cut the monthly payments to beneficiaries.

00:35:04.000 Official statements from the White House and Social Security Administration have reinforced benefit levels remain unchanged.

00:35:09.000 Now, Perplexity does point out that President Trump and Doge have been attempting to cut staff.

00:35:14.000 Apparently about 7,000 people are going to be cut.

00:35:16.000 Out of 57,000 people.

00:35:18.000 So again, this idea that no one is working at the Social Security Administration, that this is somehow the end of the world, is ridiculous.

00:35:26.000 Yes, the number of beneficiaries continues to rise.

00:35:28.000 Yes, staffing is at a, quote, 50-year low.

00:35:30.000 But presumably, one of the things Doge is going to actually be doing is increasing efficiency at SSA by, for example, not processing forms underneath a mountain using paper.

00:35:41.000 So Joe Biden is not their leader.

00:35:43.000 He's not.

00:35:44.000 So who is?

00:35:45.000 Representative Ro Khanna of California said, we have no idea.

00:35:48.000 I don't know.

00:35:49.000 Which is the correct answer, by the way.

00:35:52.000 Well, the leader in the House of Representatives is Hakeem Jeffries, and he will be the next Speaker of the House.

00:35:57.000 He is the voice, though, of the Democratic Party?

00:36:00.000 Like, is that who the Democrats should be rallying around, pushing forward?

00:36:04.000 That's who should be driving the message?

00:36:07.000 Well, I think we've got a whole new generation of talent, people who are speaking out on economic issues.

00:36:13.000 I gave a speech in Cleveland on economic patriotism, our vision of how we're going to bring prosperity and manufacturing back around the country.

00:36:20.000 But the most urgent issue is to stand up against the attacks on the rule of law.

00:36:28.000 OK, well, it's not going to be Ro Khanna, but you know who it might be.

00:36:32.000 I've been saying this for a while.

00:36:33.000 AOC is the most formidable Democrat out there.

00:36:37.000 The sort of right-wing dismissal of AOC very much feels to me like when Republicans were dismissing Barack Obama circa about 2007.

00:36:43.000 They're like, no way.

00:36:44.000 This guy's got no background.

00:36:45.000 He's been in the Senate for like five seconds.

00:36:47.000 He's kind of an empty suit.

00:36:49.000 There's nothing there.

00:36:49.000 He gave one good speech at a convention, and suddenly he's going to be president of the United States.

00:36:53.000 And I was saying, because I'd read his book, this guy is going to win, and he's going to be unbelievably radical.

00:36:57.000 Stop it.

00:36:57.000 So that's what I'm saying to you about AOC.

00:36:59.000 AOC's a good actress. 1.00

00:37:01.000 AOC is charismatic.

00:37:03.000 She obviously is a good-looking person. 0.99

00:37:05.000 And so those are all qualities that play on TV.

00:37:07.000 Now, she also happens to be, you know, a dunce, but that is no longer an obstacle to higher office in the United States. 1.00

00:37:13.000 It just didn't.

00:37:13.000 I wish it were.

00:37:14.000 It obviously is not.

00:37:16.000 So AOC, she is now.

00:37:18.000 This is a new Democratic primary poll.

00:37:19.000 You ready?

00:37:20.000 I've been saying it.

00:37:20.000 You think I was just making this up?

00:37:23.000 AOC, primary poll from Yale.

00:37:25.000 Kamala Harris, 28%.

00:37:26.000 AOC, 21%.

00:37:29.000 That means she's the leader, gang, because Kamala Harris ain't going to be the nominee. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Every day that goes by, Kamala Harris is more in the Democrats' rearview mirror. 0.99

00:37:37.000 She's going to continue to drop. 0.99

00:37:38.000 AOC's at 21%.

00:37:39.000 Pete Buttigieg is at 14. He ain't going nowhere.

00:37:42.000 Gavin Newsom is at 6. He ain't going nowhere.

00:37:45.000 Josh Shapiro is at 5. The governor of Pennsylvania.

00:37:48.000 But he's a Jew, so he's going nowhere inside the Democratic Party. 0.97

00:37:51.000 And it's just that simple.

00:37:53.000 So that means that AOC right now is the leader in the clubhouse.

00:37:55.000 That's just the way this works.

00:37:56.000 And by the way, she is raising money like nobody's business, according to Politico.

00:38:00.000 She raised almost $10 million in the first three months of the year.

00:38:03.000 That is more than double her second highest quarter.

00:38:06.000 She spent recent weeks barnstorming the country with Bernie Sanders.

00:38:09.000 And again, she is his sort of pick.

00:38:13.000 She said in a post on X, the average campaign donation was $21.

00:38:17.000 Apparently 64% of contributions came from first-time donors.

00:38:21.000 So pretending her way is not going to do it for Republicans.

00:38:24.000 This is why President Trump's agenda better succeed, because if he fails, the progressive left, And their sort of economic populism is the next wave.

00:38:32.000 Now, could AOC shoot herself in the foot? 1.00

00:38:34.000 Sure. I mean, she's trotting out new accents every day. 1.00

00:38:37.000 She was in Idaho the other day and she was trotting out.

00:38:40.000 She's trying out something with her voice here.

00:38:42.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:38:44.000 Donald Trump is a criminal who was found guilty of 34 felony counts of fraud.

00:38:56.000 Liable for sexual abuse.

00:39:00.000 Yes, he's lying and abusing and manipulating the stock market, too.

00:39:10.000 When he talks about rapists and criminals, he should look in the mirror.

00:39:16.000 This sort of stuff gets Democrats very excited.

00:39:18.000 I don't know what accent she's trying to do here.

00:39:20.000 It seems to live somewhere between Cockney and, like, Lower East Side New York.

00:39:25.000 I don't know exactly what she's going for there, but...

00:39:29.000 Is that going to be an obstacle to her success inside the Democratic Party? 0.99

00:39:31.000 Absolutely not.

00:39:33.000 And AOC is smarter than people give her credit for. 1.00

00:39:35.000 She, for example, like, you know, listen, I think she's a dummy, but she's smarter politically than people give her credit for. 1.00

00:39:39.000 She sort of kept Nancy Pelosi on side, for example. 0.97

00:39:42.000 Nancy Pelosi thinks she's a moron, but she hasn't overtly gone to war with Nancy Pelosi in a while.

00:39:48.000 And AOC is going to make the case to people in the sort of mainstream of the Democratic Party that she has moderated somewhat.

00:39:54.000 She's de-elevating issues like trans issues and the sort of woke issues. 0.99

00:39:58.000 She's putting those secondary to her economic populace, the Bernie Sanders message. 0.99

00:40:05.000 So she is, again, the emerging leader of the Democratic Party and Republicans, this is why Republicans need to do a good job of running the country because if they do not, what comes around the bend next is going to be something particularly ugly.

00:40:17.000 Speaking of which, the Dow Jones Industrial Average continues to sort of Futs around.

00:40:24.000 It isn't really rising.

00:40:25.000 It isn't really falling.

00:40:26.000 Nobody kind of knows what's coming.

00:40:27.000 And this is all just investor uncertainty.

00:40:29.000 It's all just investor uncertainty.

00:40:32.000 The U.S. dollar has been weakening.

00:40:33.000 It's lost about 10% of its value since Inauguration Day.

00:40:36.000 More than half of that decline came this month after the new tariffs were unveiled.

00:40:42.000 The weaker dollar could have some upward impact on inflation.

00:40:48.000 Meanwhile, President Trump is now unleashing more tariffs on China.

00:40:53.000 He apparently is going to impose on China tariffs up to 245% as a result of Chinese retaliatory action.

00:41:00.000 At a certain point, by the way, these percentages mean nothing because beyond a certain point, nobody's going to import paying those tariffs.

00:41:07.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:41:08.000 If you are talking about a product that was $3, now going for 245% that, a $3 product now goes for $7.35 after tariffs, people are just going to stop importing from China.

00:41:22.000 And so you can say it's a thousand percent or two thousand percent and at a certain point you've now moved beyond the realm where the imports are actually going to happen.

00:41:29.000 The problem, of course, is whether other countries are going to participate in our trade war on China.

00:41:37.000 So Ursula von der Leyen at the EU, she seems to be triangulating.

00:41:41.000 She said yesterday that there was a positive side effect to the tariff uncertainty created by the United States.

00:41:46.000 More world leaders now want to do trade deals with the EU.

00:41:49.000 She was talking to a German newspaper.

00:41:51.000 She said, I'm currently having countless talks with heads of states and governments around the world who want to work together with us on the new order.

00:41:56.000 Everyone is asking for more trade with Europe.

00:41:58.000 And it's not just about economic ties.

00:42:00.000 It's about establishing common rules.

00:42:01.000 It's about predictability.

00:42:02.000 Europe can deliver that.

00:42:04.000 So the EU is already seeking new ways to diversify trade partnerships, and they're exploring opportunities to deepen ties with China.

00:42:12.000 So if the Trump administration's goal was to militarize the rest of the world against Chinese economic dominance, Then it seems like just slapping really high tariffs on China, driving holes through the middle of tariffs on semiconductors and autos, and meanwhile alienating the people that you need to woo,

00:42:28.000 that strategy needs to be reversed and quick.

00:42:31.000 I'll tell you something else that needs to be reversed.

00:42:33.000 There's a lot of talk right now, properly, and I hope expeditiously, about deregulatory action by the Trump administration.

00:42:40.000 We need radical deregulation.

00:42:42.000 I wish, frankly, the doge had been unleashed on that rather than employment.

00:42:45.000 I think the doge being unleashed...

00:42:47.000 On the sort of waste, fraud, and abuse front, you can get some money out of that.

00:42:51.000 But the thing where you really can unleash the American economy is if you had Doge actually analyze various executive branch regulations for the economic cost of those regulations and then just take a hatchet to them.

00:43:00.000 Because those regulations, once they're gone, they're actually harder to put back in place.

00:43:05.000 If you fire somebody, then the minute, God forbid, a Democrat gets elected, all those people get rehired.

00:43:09.000 If you get rid of regulatory thickets, it's much harder to put those back into place.

00:43:13.000 And so Doge is turning there next.

00:43:16.000 I have to say, I am concerned about the direction that's being taken by the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission.

00:43:22.000 So, Mark Zuckerberg's meta is now being sued in federal court.

00:43:28.000 They're suggesting that he might have to sell off, for example, Instagram.

00:43:33.000 Why? Why would he have to sell off Instagram?

00:43:34.000 They're claiming that when he acquired Instagram a decade ago for a billion dollars, it was illegally anti-competitive.

00:43:42.000 What's the case that it was illegally anti-competitive?

00:43:44.000 So there are a couple of different theories of antitrust.

00:43:46.000 One theory of antitrust is that if you have a total market monopoly, that should be broken up because otherwise competitors can't rise.

00:43:52.000 And presumably, that sort of theory of antitrust is consumer-directed.

00:43:57.000 If it's bad for the consumer, then antitrust should step in.

00:44:00.000 Then there is the sort of market-dominant position, which is, we just shouldn't have big companies.

00:44:05.000 And those big companies are scary, and so we should break them up.

00:44:07.000 That particular view was most famously...

00:44:10.000 Mirrored by Lena Kahn at the FTC, who's constantly stopping mergers and acquisitions on the basis that she didn't want big companies to be able to get bigger or to merge with other companies. 0.99

00:44:19.000 And she was constantly stopping all sorts of action in the business sphere that would have been actually quite good for the consumer.

00:44:25.000 I don't understand the theory behind trying to break up Meta as far as Instagram and WhatsApp.

00:44:31.000 They're trying to make them divestive of those things.

00:44:33.000 Are either of those services going to get better if they are broken out?

00:44:37.000 Famously. The federal government did this to Microsoft.

00:44:40.000 They forced Microsoft to break into a series of companies, and it made Microsoft's products significantly worse for consumers.

00:44:46.000 The U.S. District Court judge, James Boesberg, is the person in charge here.

00:44:50.000 Boesberg, of course, you will remember from being the same judge who's going after President Trump on immigration.

00:44:56.000 Boesberg could theoretically side with the FTC, and that would force Meta to divest itself of Instagram and WhatsApp.

00:45:02.000 There is an anti-tech segment of the right.

00:45:06.000 A bizarrely anti-business sector of the right that could be hampering economic growth.

00:45:11.000 And that, of course, is not going to be good for the Trump administration either.

00:45:15.000 OK, in other news, a piece of good news.

00:45:18.000 So I criticized Steve Whitcoff pretty heavily yesterday because Whitcoff had said openly that he was sort of embracing the Barack Obama view of negotiations with Iran.

00:45:28.000 Well, now he's backtracking on that.

00:45:29.000 That is the special envoy.

00:45:31.000 He's backtracking.

00:45:32.000 He said a deal with Iran would only be completed if it is a Trump deal.

00:45:35.000 Adding, quote, Iran must stop and eliminate its nuclear enrichment and weaponization program. 0.90

00:45:39.000 That is a contradiction to what he said a couple of days ago, and that is a good contradiction.

00:45:44.000 That is significantly more in line with everything that President Trump has said historically.

00:45:49.000 Again, Whitcoff does not understand these issues, and Whitcoff is really not the person who should be running negotiations.

00:45:53.000 This requires a level of sophistication and understanding that I just don't see in evidence with Steve Whitcoff.

00:45:59.000 Maybe a fine fellow, maybe aligned with what President Trump wants.

00:46:04.000 But I'm having a hard time seeing how President Trump's agenda with Iran is squares with what Whitcoff said the other night, which is presumably why Whitcoff changed his position, which is good.

00:46:15.000 Meanwhile, Putin is not actually moving.

00:46:18.000 There's been all this talk about how Whitcoff is going to move Putin to the table, and again, I'm not seeing any evidence of that at this point.

00:46:24.000 The Wall Street Journal editorial board points out, Trump and his chief negotiator, Steve Whitcoff, keep saying Putin wants peace.

00:46:30.000 President Trump's 30-day ceasefire proposal has now been on the table.

00:46:33.000 For longer than the ceasefire would have lasted.

00:46:36.000 Is there any evidence that Putin actually wants peace at this point?

00:46:38.000 It seems not.

00:46:40.000 Okay, meanwhile, in kind of a shocking story, a top advisor to the Secretary of Defense, Dan Caldwell, who is widely seen as one of the isolationists inside the administration.

00:46:50.000 And I've said before, there are a lot of different foreign policy views inside the administration.

00:46:54.000 There's sort of the J.D. Vance view, which is that the United States should not be involved in pretty much any world affairs so far as he can see.

00:47:00.000 And then there is the Peace Through Strength view, which is that the United States should only be involved where real interest is at stake, and where there is, the United States should put its resources.

00:47:07.000 Well, Dan Caldwell was sort of of the former group.

00:47:09.000 Well, he was actually escorted from the Pentagon on Tuesday after being identified during an investigation into leaks at the Defense Department.

00:47:16.000 He was placed on administrative leave for an unauthorized disclosure.

00:47:19.000 What exactly was that disclosure?

00:47:22.000 Well, presumably, the rumor is that that disclosure was that there were people...

00:47:28.000 Who had talked to the New York Times, suggesting that the strikes on the Houthis were somehow less successful than they were, which would make sense. 1.00

00:47:35.000 Again, Caldwell's position, politically speaking, has been very much the J.D. Vance who shouldn't be involved in foreign affairs position.

00:47:41.000 So, you know, it'll be interesting to see if these accusations are substantiated, who he leaked to, and all the rest.

00:47:49.000 And President Trump's agenda when it comes to foreign policy has actually been fairly consistent for his entire career.

00:47:55.000 And people who are trying to undermine that agenda.

00:47:58.000 By staffing people who oppose it, I'm not sure why they would do that, but it doesn't seem to benefit what the Trump administration is trying to do.

00:48:05.000 All right, coming up, we'll get into a seminal change when it comes to the trans issue in the UK.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 16, 2025

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