The Ben Shapiro Show - Is Hunter Going To Jail?

00:00:00.000 So, in what has to be one of the most obvious ploys of all time, the DOJ has now indicted Hunter Biden on federal gun charges.

00:00:07.000 Why do I say this is a ploy?

00:00:08.000 Well, there are a bunch of reasons why I say this is a ploy.

00:00:10.000 He is not going to jail for a significant period of time.

00:00:13.000 This prosecution is not over the actual charges anyone cares about, namely the tax charges and the Foreign Agents Registration Act charges that have not yet been brought.

00:00:21.000 The clock is ticking on those.

00:00:23.000 This is a distraction.

00:00:24.000 It was always a distraction.

00:00:25.000 The gun charge was basically a way for them to smuggle in, we're gonna end the rest of all these investigations, in the gun charge.

00:00:32.000 That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the gun charge. 0.94

00:00:33.000 He clearly deserves the gun charge. 0.98

00:00:35.000 It's not just that he lied on a gun forum.

00:00:36.000 It's that he lied on a gun forum and then attained the gun.

00:00:40.000 He actually got the gun.

00:00:41.000 And then he had the gun and he threw it in the garbage can.

00:00:43.000 It's gonna be awkward for the Biden administration.

00:00:46.000 Because now, Hunter Biden and his lawyers are going to argue that it violates the Second Amendment for him to be prosecuted under these terms.

00:00:53.000 Meanwhile, his dad is out there saying that, So that's kind of awkward for Joe Biden.

00:01:01.000 But is this a key issue in terms of Hunter and Joe?

00:01:05.000 Of course not.

00:01:06.000 We currently have an impeachment inquiry going on that is entirely predicated upon the corrupt relationship between Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

00:01:13.000 And Joe Biden's response to this, and his DOJ's response to this, presumably, is, we will prosecute Hunter Biden on some ancillary charge.

00:01:19.000 He'll get off with a relative slap on the wrist.

00:01:22.000 And then you all just go about your business.

00:01:24.000 There's nothing else to see here.

00:01:25.000 That is the ploy.

00:01:27.000 According to NBC News, federal prosecutors have indicted Hunter Biden, the son of President Biden, on gun charges.

00:01:32.000 Court documents show Biden was indicted Thursday in federal court in Delaware on three counts tied to possession of a gun while using narcotics.

00:01:37.000 Two counts accused Biden of having completed a form indicating he was not using illegal drugs when he bought a Colt Cobra revolver in October 2018.

00:01:44.000 The third count alleges he possessed a firearm while using a narcotic.

00:01:47.000 The indictment says that Biden certified on a federally mandated form, quote, he was not an unlawful user of and addicted to any stimulant, narcotic drug, and any other controlled substance, when in fact, as he knew, that statement was false and fictitious.

00:01:58.000 Two of the counts carry maximum prison sentences of 10 years.

00:02:00.000 A third has a maximum sentence of five years.

00:02:02.000 Each count also carries a maximum fine of $250,000, given the fact that Hunter Biden has not spent a day in jail yet, and he's never pled guilty to a crime, so far as I'm aware.

00:02:11.000 This means he's probably, again, not going to go to jail for any significant period of time.

00:02:15.000 That case is being overseen by special counsel David Weiss.

00:02:19.000 But as Andy McCarthy points out...

00:02:21.000 This, again, is kind of a scam prosecution.

00:02:25.000 Why?

00:02:25.000 Well, there are a few reasons.

00:02:27.000 One, this particular case is happening in Delaware, as Andy McCarthy points out.

00:02:31.000 Well, as you'll recall, the entire scandal revolving around David Weiss is that he was not granted access to prosecute Hunter Biden in any jurisdiction outside of Delaware.

00:02:39.000 He always had the jurisdiction to prosecute Hunter Biden inside of Delaware.

00:02:44.000 So what took him so long?

00:02:45.000 The answer is he was trying to cut a sweetheart deal with Hunter Biden via Joe Biden.

00:02:50.000 And this also doesn't actually rebut any of the charges that David Weiss was denied the ability to prosecute Hunter Biden outside of Delaware because, again, he's currently prosecuting him inside of Delaware.

00:03:01.000 As Annie McCarthy writes, there are no Biden-appointed U.S.

00:03:03.000 attorneys to blame for Weiss's failure for five years to file the indictment that was finally returned on Thursday.

00:03:08.000 The statute of limitations was on the precipice of expiring.

00:03:11.000 It was Weiss and Weiss alone who delayed bringing one of the most straightforward felony gun cases you will ever see.

00:03:16.000 Weiss wasn't being blocked.

00:03:17.000 He was stalling.

00:03:19.000 And also, as Annie McCarthy points out, given the fact that the Biden Justice Department tried to disappear the case against Hunter Biden just a couple of months ago with that diversion plan, his defense, Hunter Biden's defense is going to be really, really easy.

00:03:30.000 They're just going to point to the prosecutors and say, guys, they didn't take it seriously.

00:03:34.000 They were willing to sign a deal with us five seconds ago.

00:03:36.000 It's only because that deal fell apart in public view that they ran away from it.

00:03:40.000 But they obviously don't consider this a particularly serious crime.

00:03:44.000 As Annie McCarthy says, it's rich for the same Justice Department to put out a statement in connection with today's indictment, stressing that Hunter is facing up to 25 years imprisonment.

00:03:52.000 If Bynum is convicted on any or all of the three felonies, his defense lawyers are going to have a really strong argument.

00:03:57.000 They'll just need to recount what the prosecutors said and did in the first place.

00:04:01.000 And then, as Annie McCarthy points out quite correctly, the only case Weiss has brought is the one that Hunter Biden is involved in, but Joe isn't.

00:04:09.000 He didn't bring the tax case yet.

00:04:11.000 Now, remember, the clock is ticking.

00:04:12.000 There's a six-year statute of limitation on possible tax crimes.

00:04:16.000 Those charges have not yet been brought.

00:04:18.000 The latest possible tax crimes that we know about for Hunter Biden that were in some of the charging documents and the proposed plea deal arrangement.

00:04:26.000 The latest charging documents carried crimes up to 2018-2019.

00:04:31.000 It is currently 2023.

00:04:34.000 So assume that the last crimes that they are going to allege are in 2018.

00:04:38.000 That means they have until like the beginning of next year to charge him on the tax crimes.

00:04:44.000 Like the middle of the campaign election.

00:04:46.000 So what does that mean?

00:04:48.000 Well, it means the statute of limitations could easily run while they are trying to distract you over here with the shiny gun indictment object.

00:04:56.000 No one cares about this.

00:04:57.000 In other words, should they indict him?

00:04:58.000 Of course they should indict him.

00:04:58.000 It was a crime.

00:05:00.000 Should he go to jail?

00:05:01.000 I mean, under his own father's interpretation of the law, he should certainly go to jail.

00:05:06.000 Does this make any difference at all to the real underlying issues surrounding Hunter Biden?

00:05:09.000 Of course not.

00:05:10.000 They're charging him on the ancillary crime to distract from the fact that they're not charging him on the key crimes.

00:05:14.000 Namely, violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which might immediately link up with Joe Biden and influence peddling.

00:05:20.000 Or on the tax avoidance stuff, which again, might immediately link up to his father, Joe Biden.

00:05:26.000 Hunter Biden's lawyer for his part is claiming that really the only reason this is happening is because of partisan interference, which is weird.

00:05:32.000 The reason this is really happening is because you guys tried to create a sweetheart deal and a judge exposed the sweetheart deal and then the DOJ was embarrassed and reneged on the sweetheart deal.

00:05:42.000 We have a brand new statement from Hunter Biden's attorney, Abby Lowell, that has just come in.

00:05:47.000 It says, in part, quote, as expected, prosecutors filed charges today that they deemed were not warranted six weeks ago following a five-year investigation into this case.

00:05:57.000 The evidence in this matter has not changed in the last six weeks, but the law has, and so has MAGA Republicans' improper and partisan interference in this process, he says.

00:06:10.000 Okay, Abby Lowell also continued by telling Aaron Burnett, quote, The law says whether or not the person is possessing the gun while they are addicted.

00:06:16.000 There's ambiguity in the statute, which we'll have to pursue if the case continues.

00:06:19.000 At the time he purchased the gun, I don't think there's evidence that that's when he was suffering.

00:06:22.000 When you refer to his book, he had just come out of rehabilitation.

00:06:25.000 So they're going to present whatever defenses they're going to present.

00:06:27.000 But really, again, what is this about?

00:06:29.000 This is about the DOJ getting this charge off the table so that they can then claim that they've done enough here.

00:06:35.000 And then they can wash their hands of the entire thing.

00:06:37.000 This is the direction in which they are moving, pretty obviously.

00:06:40.000 And you can see the media are calling for it.

00:06:42.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:07:53.000 Okay, so what is all this really about?

00:07:56.000 What all this is really about is providing the impetus for the media and for Democrats to say, listen, hasn't Hunter suffered enough?

00:08:01.000 Hasn't his loving father suffered enough?

00:08:03.000 Why can't you leave Hunter alone?

00:08:05.000 You can hear it.

00:08:05.000 This is the tenor that the media are now taking.

00:08:08.000 CNN's Breonna Keillor, she's like, is anyone else even charged this way?

00:08:11.000 Hunter is actually a victim, isn't he?

00:08:13.000 He's kind of a victim when you think about it.

00:08:16.000 You know that Hunter Biden's attorneys are going to point to that ruling in the Fifth Circuit that calls into question whether this law is even going to stand by the time this is all said and done and certainly before it gets to the Supreme Court.

00:08:30.000 So why then, Evan, pursue it?

00:08:32.000 I mean, if this was another defendant, would they be pursuing it?

00:08:36.000 I think that's a question that I think you're going to hear a lot from Hunter Biden's team and certainly from people who support him.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, well, why are they even pursuing it?

00:08:47.000 Why?

00:08:48.000 Yeah, I'm sure they'd be asking the exact same questions if one of Donald Trump's children had been charged while he was President of the United States.

00:08:54.000 Or maybe, maybe they would actually just be cheering.

00:08:56.000 They'd actually break out the pom-poms and cheerleader outfits and all the rest. 1.00

00:08:58.000 Reporters were going after James Comer.

00:09:00.000 Comer, of course, has been leading the investigation into Hunter Biden's corrupt business relationships with Dad.

00:09:04.000 And reporters are like, isn't this enough? 0.98

00:09:06.000 Why can't you leave the poor, drug-addicted prostitute using derelict alone? 1.00

00:09:12.000 Sounds like you're still expressing the skepticism here. 0.62

00:09:15.000 I mean, the idea that you wanted an indictment from your perspective here, that's not enough?

00:09:19.000 An indictment for money laundering, violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, tax evasion, the list goes on and on.

00:09:29.000 You've never heard me say anything about gun charges.

00:09:33.000 So, again, that's the one crime he's committed that you cannot tie to Joe Biden.

00:09:41.000 Correct.

00:09:41.000 That's James Comer from Kentucky.

00:09:43.000 Of course, this is right.

00:09:44.000 And this is also why the media, they just want to wipe the slate clean, right?

00:09:47.000 That's all they want.

00:09:47.000 They loved the sweetheart deal.

00:09:49.000 It was their favorite.

00:09:50.000 It's what Democrats want as well.

00:09:51.000 But here's the reality.

00:09:53.000 The impeachment inquiry is not going away because it is perfectly obvious.

00:09:56.000 As I said yesterday on the show, when you hear people shouting there is no evidence, they're totally right.

00:10:00.000 There's no evidence that Joe was involved in Hunter's business, in his business transactions, in his business life, except for evidence from two of Hunter Biden's business partners, statements by Hunter Biden himself, texts from Hunter Biden's, They themselves have filed suspicious accounts.

00:10:15.000 And I just wonder, are they helping you?

00:10:17.000 Are they obstructing you?

00:10:17.000 All that, there's no evidence whatsoever.

00:10:19.000 Totally clean as the rivens know.

00:10:21.000 James Comer, meanwhile, he is pledging that in this impeachment inquiry,

00:10:24.000 they will get into personal Biden bank accounts.

00:10:27.000 They themselves have filed suspicious accounts.

00:10:30.000 And I just wonder, are they helping you?

00:10:33.000 Are they obstructing you?

00:10:34.000 It sounds to me like they'd be happy to unburden themselves and show all this stuff to you.

00:10:40.000 The banks have been very helpful with the shell companies.

00:10:44.000 Now we're getting into the personal Biden bank account and we suspect that the lawyers have already warned the banks against handing anything over to us.

00:10:54.000 But we're going to give the banks another chance and we'll see.

00:10:59.000 Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina.

00:11:01.000 She is similarly saying that they will subpoena Hunter while investigating Joe, which is which is right.

00:11:07.000 Did they explain why they did not say subpoenaing Hunter Biden?

00:11:09.000 Well, I believe that will happen, but we've got to get the bank records first.

00:11:13.000 I mean, it's the chicken before the egg.

00:11:15.000 We have to know.

00:11:16.000 Hunter Biden is not going to tell the truth under under oath.

00:11:19.000 And so we want to make sure that we have all of the financial statements and records in accordance with the transactions that allegedly happened.

00:11:26.000 And so that way we know if he's telling the truth.

00:11:28.000 I mean, you've got to have that.

00:11:30.000 There's got to be some due diligence.

00:11:31.000 We've got to be deliberate.

00:11:32.000 We've got to be factual.

00:11:33.000 We have to tell the truth.

00:11:35.000 Okay, meanwhile, if you ever wonder how Donald Trump happened, how he happened, the reason is Mitt Romney.

00:11:41.000 Okay, that is the reason that Donald Trump happened, for a wide variety of reasons.

00:11:44.000 Reason number one is that the media, the left, attacked Mitt Romney, who's the most milquetoast politician of our era, with extraordinary alacrity.

00:11:51.000 And so everybody in the Republican Party was like, okay, we're gonna give you a giant orange middle finger now.

00:11:55.000 You didn't like the super polite guy who refused to say a bad word about anybody?

00:11:59.000 You didn't like that guy?

00:11:59.000 He was too much for you?

00:12:00.000 Well, how about this?

00:12:02.000 That's reason number one.

00:12:03.000 But reason number two is because Mitt Romney is a guy who has spent a lot of his political career providing cover for Democrats.

00:12:09.000 And so the reaction for a lot of Republicans, we don't want people like Mitt Romney at the top of the party.

00:12:13.000 And I see it.

00:12:14.000 I do.

00:12:14.000 I get it.

00:12:15.000 I mean, first of all, I think the entire Republican Party, broad writ, has rejected that sort of direction.

00:12:20.000 Even the other people who are up for the Republican presidential nomination who are running right now are not in Mitt Romney lane.

00:12:25.000 There's not much of a Mitt Romney lane in the Republican Party anymore, nor should there be.

00:12:28.000 I mean, Mitt Romney yesterday, again, his sole job appears to be to gain strange new respect from the left at this point.

00:12:35.000 And again, I think he's a good person, but I don't understand why he thinks that the mark of a good person is to gain respect from, like, the CNNs and the MSNBCs.

00:12:43.000 So yesterday, Romney was asked about the impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden.

00:12:46.000 He's like, no, no, I think...

00:12:49.000 You wonder why the Democratic Party has tremendous loyalty among its base.

00:12:54.000 There's not a lot of breakaways in the Democratic Party.

00:12:58.000 The reason is because the Democratic Party is an excellent vehicle for progressivism.

00:13:01.000 When it comes down to it, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are not separated by much other than affect.

00:13:06.000 Joe Biden's policies look a lot like Bernie Sanders.

00:13:08.000 So the radical left looks at Joe and they're like, okay, yeah, he's old, yeah, he's decrepit, yeah, he's corrupt, but he's doing the things we want to do.

00:13:14.000 Meanwhile, the Republican base looks at the Republican Party and they're like, We ask you to do X and you just won't do it.

00:13:20.000 Here's Mitt Romney saying that he's not hearing a high crime and misdemeanor when it comes to Hunter and Joe Biden.

00:13:25.000 I know the House is beginning an impeachment inquiry.

00:13:29.000 I haven't heard any allegation of something that would rise to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor.

00:13:34.000 I think it'd be very unusual to actually see a referral of impeachment.

00:13:39.000 I don't expect that to happen.

00:13:43.000 Okay, that's an amazing statement, given the fact that he voted for Trump's impeachment on both accounts, right?

00:13:48.000 On the first one, the Ukraine one, which is insane. 1.00

00:13:51.000 Okay, the Ukraine one didn't even allege a crime.

00:13:53.000 And he said that Donald Trump deserves to be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, while, by the way, defending the business relationships between Hunter and Joe.

00:14:01.000 Here's Mitt Romney just a couple of years ago.

00:14:03.000 The grave question the Constitution tasks senators to answer is whether the president committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a high crime and misdemeanor.

00:14:18.000 Yes, he did.

00:14:19.000 The President asked a foreign government to investigate his political rival.

00:14:25.000 The President withheld vital military funds from that government to press it to do so.

00:14:31.000 The President delayed funds for an American ally at war with Russian invaders.

00:14:37.000 The President's purpose was personal and political.

00:14:41.000 Accordingly, the president is guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust.

00:14:48.000 Hey, by the way, in that exact same speech, he actually defended Hunter and Joe.

00:14:53.000 I'm not kidding.

00:14:54.000 I mean, so you wonder why the Republican Party turned to Trump?

00:14:57.000 It's because of Mitt Romney.

00:14:59.000 That is part of the issue here.

00:15:00.000 What he actually said in that speech is, quote, with regards to Hunter Biden, taking excessive advantage of his father's name is unsavory, but also not a crime.

00:15:07.000 Given that neither case of the father nor the son was any evidence presented by the president's counsel that a crime had been committed, the president's insistence that they be investigated by the Ukrainians is hard to explain other than as a political pursuit.

00:15:17.000 There's no question in my mind that were their names not Biden, the president never would have done what he did.

00:15:22.000 Again, the fact that Mitt Romney spent his days defending the Bidens while attacking Trump and is still doing that is kind of an insane referendum on the old school Republican Party.

00:15:32.000 Okay, in just one second we'll get to Joe Biden's attempt to avoid A rather bad presidential electoral fate by relying on his economic plans.

00:15:41.000 Good luck with that.

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00:16:18.000 And meanwhile, Joe Biden is attempting to wrest his re-elect efforts On the basis of the economy.

00:16:23.000 It's not going to work.

00:16:24.000 It's why eventually he's just going to turn to democracy talk.

00:16:27.000 In fact, there are already reports today that the next several weeks Joe Biden is just going to say the word democracy over and over and over again.

00:16:33.000 That is going to be his campaign.

00:16:33.000 His campaign is going to be Donald Trump's an insurrectionist.

00:16:36.000 I stand for democracy.

00:16:37.000 It seemed to work out fairly well for him in the 2022 elections.

00:16:41.000 When he ran against the so-called MAGA Republican insurrectionists and all of this, and running against Donald Trump, he's hoping that it will carry him to victory again.

00:16:48.000 He certainly cannot rely on his economic program, because the economic program is a full-scale disaster area.

00:16:55.000 According to the New York Times, President Biden challenged his Republican opponents on Thursday in their area of political strength, arguing he has done a better job of managing the economy than former President Donald Trump did, and accusing his predecessor's congressional allies of undercutting working-class Americans.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, good luck with that.

00:17:09.000 Again, Americans don't agree with that.

00:17:11.000 By every available poll, they think that Trump did a better job on the economy than Biden did by leaps and bounds.

00:17:16.000 Biden is now relying on old standby talking points that just don't work.

00:17:20.000 So here's Joe Biden explaining, Republicans won't say what they're for, they just say what they're against.

00:17:24.000 Well, half of what you're for is what you're against, we should point out.

00:17:29.000 If you say, I wish to take this car and drive it over a cliff, and I say, you shouldn't do that.

00:17:33.000 I don't have to offer what I'm for.

00:17:35.000 What I'm for is you not driving the car over the cliff.

00:17:38.000 Here's Joe Biden trying to say words from his mouthhole and failing.

00:17:43.000 America has the strongest economy in the world of all major economics.

00:17:49.000 And all they do is attack it.

00:17:51.000 But, you know, you've noticed something.

00:17:53.000 For all the time they spend attacking me and my plans, here's what they never do.

00:17:58.000 They never talk about what they want to do.

00:18:01.000 No, no.

00:18:03.000 Think about it.

00:18:04.000 They tell you what they're against.

00:18:06.000 What are they for?

00:18:09.000 For you not doing the things you're doing.

00:18:12.000 That's what we're for.

00:18:13.000 We're for you not inflating the currency.

00:18:14.000 We're for you not spending $7 trillion a year.

00:18:16.000 We're for you not blowing trillions of dollars into random boondoggle projects via the Inflation Reduction Act, which has not reduced inflation.

00:18:24.000 We're for... Like, that's a bunch of things that I'm for.

00:18:26.000 I love that argument. 1.00

00:18:27.000 That argument is so stupid. 1.00

00:18:29.000 It's a truly moronic argument. 1.00

00:18:32.000 Honest to God, it's like your employee is embezzling against you and you're like, you call up the police and you say, I'm against my employee embezzling. 0.99

00:18:40.000 Can you arrest them?

00:18:41.000 And please say, hey, you're telling us what you're against.

00:18:42.000 We need to hear what you're for.

00:18:44.000 No, that's not the way any of this works.

00:18:46.000 Meanwhile, Joe Biden, branding genius, he has decided that he is going to coin a new term since Bidenomics is not working.

00:18:53.000 He went deep into the recesses of his brain.

00:18:55.000 They're not very deep.

00:18:56.000 It's a very, very shallow puddle, that brain, at this point.

00:18:59.000 And always, actually. 0.63

00:19:00.000 He was always a mile wide and an inch deep, was Joe Biden, mentally speaking.

00:19:08.000 He has now coined a new term.

00:19:11.000 Here's how it works.

00:19:12.000 He takes a term and then he adds the suffix nomics to it.

00:19:18.000 Wait for it.

00:19:19.000 Watch this.

00:19:19.000 It's amazing.

00:19:22.000 Under mega... under meganomics, is what I'm calling it.

00:19:27.000 Meganomics?

00:19:29.000 You mean magonomics?

00:19:31.000 Meganomics.

00:19:32.000 You see, now, that's the thing.

00:19:33.000 He said, he said, MEGA-nomics.

00:19:35.000 Mega-mega-nomics-nook-a-dack-a-dee-s. 0.83

00:19:38.000 Under moog-a-sha, has-a-good-a-boosh-a-nuh-nuh-nuh. 1.00

00:19:42.000 Ah, not a joke.

00:19:43.000 Not a joke.

00:19:43.000 Don't jump.

00:19:46.000 This is the one you chose.

00:19:48.000 Also, he started screaming randomly, which is what he does.

00:19:50.000 He whispers.

00:19:51.000 I whisper into the microphone.

00:19:52.000 Here we go.

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00:20:06.000 Nice.

00:20:07.000 Throttling that like his night nurse when she comes in the middle of the night to clean the bedpan.

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00:20:13.000 Okay, Joe.

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00:21:28.000 Okay, meanwhile, the Republicans have decided again that a circular firing squad is the proper way to fight the Democrats, which is...

00:21:35.000 Everyone is so good at this.

00:21:36.000 That's the amazing thing.

00:21:37.000 Whenever folks tell you that they watch a show like House of Cards, you should just know, politics is not House of Cards.

00:21:44.000 No one knows what they're doing. 1.00

00:21:45.000 They're all idiots. 1.00

00:21:47.000 They're a bunch of morons who run into walls at top speed and then yell about how much it hurts and how everyone has victimized them. 1.00

00:21:53.000 And then they turn around and run into other walls at top speed. 1.00

00:21:57.000 And they do all this while spending your money.

00:21:58.000 This is how politics works, typically speaking.

00:22:01.000 It's the best system, except for... It's the worst system, except for all the others.

00:22:06.000 But it is what we have.

00:22:07.000 So, naturally, Republicans have decided they're going to run top speed into walls over a possible government shutdown.

00:22:14.000 Now, I don't know exactly what are the deliverables here.

00:22:17.000 I've said it before.

00:22:18.000 Give me a list of deliverables that you are seeking from Kevin McCarthy, and maybe he can deliver them, and maybe he can't.

00:22:23.000 But there's one thing that I have noticed, and that is that the Democrats control the Senate and the presidency.

00:22:27.000 It's just a thing I noticed.

00:22:28.000 So you can get some small concessions from them, but the notion that you're going to radically remake American government because the power of the purse is with the House.

00:22:34.000 Yes, the power of the purse is with the House.

00:22:36.000 And guess what happens if you lead to a large-scale government shutdown?

00:22:39.000 You probably lose the House.

00:22:40.000 Republicans wildly underperformed in the last electoral cycle.

00:22:44.000 They have a majority slim as a reed.

00:22:46.000 They're going into an election cycle that is going to be, at best, very close for Republicans.

00:22:51.000 And this is a time that you're going to pick a fight inside your party.

00:22:56.000 The reality is that Republicans should make hay when the sun shines.

00:22:59.000 The sun is not quite shining right now.

00:23:01.000 You make of it what you can.

00:23:02.000 Instead, they're going to have circular firing squad time.

00:23:05.000 So, Matt Gaetz is attacking Kevin McCarthy.

00:23:10.000 For no reason that I can, like, what is the principled reason from Matt Gaetz here?

00:23:14.000 Like, what's his deliverable?

00:23:15.000 If he gives me a deliverable, I'm perfectly happy to go along with the deliverable.

00:23:18.000 Chip Roy, during the last speakership fight, gave me his list of deliverables, and I was very much in favor of a lot of those deliverables.

00:23:24.000 And so that was fine.

00:23:25.000 And then he got most of them, and then he made a deal with McCarthy, and that was good. 0.62

00:23:28.000 But I'm just wondering, like, what is the point of this?

00:23:30.000 So Matt Gaetz tweeted out, So instead of emotionally cursing, let's do this.

00:23:33.000 Okay, so a few of those are deliverable.

00:23:34.000 Truth is Kevin controls his own fate.

00:23:36.000 So instead of emotionally cursing, let's do this.

00:23:38.000 Single subject spending bills, term limits vote, balanced budget vote,

00:23:41.000 release January 6th tapes to all, subpoena Hunter.

00:23:44.000 We must begin immediately.

00:23:45.000 Pull yourself together, Kevin.

00:23:46.000 Okay, so a few of those are deliverable.

00:23:47.000 Hunter is going to get subpoenaed.

00:23:49.000 That is going to happen.

00:23:51.000 Releasing the January 6th tapes to all?

00:23:53.000 Fine.

00:23:53.000 He can do that.

00:23:54.000 That's fine.

00:23:55.000 A balanced budget vote is going to go down to flaming defeat and a bunch of Republicans are going to vote against it.

00:23:58.000 So one of the things that you don't do when you're Speaker of the House is bring up a vote that your own party is not going to vote for.

00:24:03.000 That's a typical thing you don't do.

00:24:04.000 You just don't bring it to a vote.

00:24:06.000 When it comes to term limits, same sort of deal.

00:24:08.000 And when it comes to single subject spending bills, listen, I would love that.

00:24:11.000 I would love to run it that way.

00:24:12.000 Also, you know what's going to happen?

00:24:14.000 None of that stuff's going to pass.

00:24:16.000 So if the idea is all of this or government shutdown, the reality is going to be government shutdown.

00:24:22.000 That's just what it's going to be.

00:24:24.000 I hate the omnibus packages. 1.00

00:24:25.000 I think they're garbage. 0.99

00:24:26.000 I also don't believe the Democrats are simply going to cave to Republicans because Matt Gaetz goes on MSNBC and yells about Kevin McCarthy. 0.99

00:24:32.000 So he's challenging McCarthy's speakership again.

00:24:35.000 He's suggesting that he is going to challenge McCarthy's speakership again.

00:24:39.000 Apparently, in a behind-closed-doors meeting, McCarthy was defiant with his caucus, and he said, you know, move the motion then.

00:24:46.000 Move the effing motion to remove him from his position, if you think that you can do it.

00:24:51.000 And he happens to be right about that.

00:24:52.000 Again, there are like 180, 190 Republicans inside the Republican caucus who are not going to vote for anyone else.

00:24:57.000 Apparently, he said, if you think you scare me because you want to file a motion to vacate, move the effing motion.

00:25:02.000 And then he said, if you end up replacing me, my successor will make the same exact arguments I am.

00:25:07.000 And then Gates reportedly responded by saying, just move the effing spending bills.

00:25:11.000 But again, he can move the spending bills and they could go nowhere.

00:25:15.000 So, what is the fight even about?

00:25:17.000 That's the part I don't understand.

00:25:18.000 What is the big victory here?

00:25:19.000 What is the victory you are seeking to achieve here?

00:25:22.000 McCarthy, for his part, he's saying no one wins in a government shutdown.

00:25:24.000 Now, understand something.

00:25:25.000 McCarthy won the last government shutdown.

00:25:27.000 He did.

00:25:27.000 He won it against Biden.

00:25:28.000 Why?

00:25:28.000 Because Biden made a massive tactical blunder.

00:25:30.000 He opened by saying, I will not negotiate over a government shutdown.

00:25:34.000 He said, I will not negotiate over spending at all.

00:25:36.000 And then McCarthy's like, hey, I'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

00:25:38.000 All I want is like these few things.

00:25:40.000 Is that so unreasonable?

00:25:41.000 In fact, I passed a bill, like a big omnibus bill that gives you virtually everything you want.

00:25:45.000 Why won't you negotiate?

00:25:46.000 And it wrong-footed Biden.

00:25:47.000 Biden has not made that mistake again.

00:25:49.000 Now Biden's case is, I'm happy to negotiate.

00:25:51.000 Let's talk about it.

00:25:52.000 We have to do whatever we can to avoid a government shutdown.

00:25:55.000 If McCarthy now takes the stand, I'm going to shut down the government, then all of the benefit of the government shutdown accrues to the Democrats.

00:26:01.000 It's a simple calculus here.

00:26:02.000 See, there's something that I object to in sort of my industry.

00:26:06.000 There are a lot of people in my industry who believe that idealism requires you to charge headlong into hard objects.

00:26:14.000 Idealism is understanding what we would like.

00:26:17.000 Realism is understanding what you can get. 1.00

00:26:19.000 An idealist who is not a realist is a fool. 0.93

00:26:23.000 If you're an idealist, and what you think is that you always go for broke, always and forever, and that anything short of that is ideological treason, that is incorrect. 0.98

00:26:32.000 It is not true.

00:26:32.000 That is not how business gets done.

00:26:33.000 It's not how politics gets done.

00:26:35.000 It's not how anything gets done, in fact.

00:26:37.000 In fact, it is a recipe for losing, repeatedly.

00:26:39.000 Because when you go for 100, and you won't take anything less than 100, you're much likelier to get zero than you are to get 80.

00:26:45.000 If you're trying to get most of what you want, well, then you better know the lay of the land.

00:26:49.000 You better actually take into account tactics and strategy.

00:26:52.000 And there is this defeatism that has come into the Republican Party that suggests no matter what we do, we're not going to get what we want, so we may as well just yell as loud as we can with no actual end goal here that is doable.

00:27:03.000 And then everyone who refuses to do that, we're just going to yell them out of the party, or we're going to alienate them, or we're going to put up candidates who are bound to lose.

00:27:10.000 Because if we yell a lot, maybe we'll feel better about it.

00:27:12.000 Defeatism is a sin.

00:27:14.000 Defeatism is a sin.

00:27:15.000 Despair is a sin.

00:27:16.000 It's not stuff that you should be doing as somebody who watches politics.

00:27:19.000 And people in my industry shouldn't be doing it either.

00:27:20.000 It is my job to tell you, yes, what my principles are, but also the realistic lay of the land so we know what we can get.

00:27:26.000 And I think there are a lot of people in my industry who don't tell you the lay of the land.

00:27:31.000 And so they give a false perception of what it is that you can get.

00:27:35.000 And that's a mistake, because it sets up unrealistic expectations.

00:27:38.000 It means that there are politicians who are negotiating, who are trying to make the sausage, and then we object to the sausage-making process, and then the sausage doesn't get made, and then we're really mad the sausage didn't get made, and we blame them.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, but the reality is that it's an ugly process.

00:27:51.000 It will always be an ugly process.

00:27:53.000 If you want Republicans to make serious changes in the spending habits of the United States, which is what I would like, what I would like is the stuff that no one will talk about.

00:28:00.000 I want restructuring of entitlements.

00:28:01.000 The vast drivers of our national debt are not marginal programs.

00:28:05.000 Okay, it is not marginal cutting around the edges of like the defense budget.

00:28:08.000 The vast cuts that we need in our programs are going to be had by restructuring major programs.

00:28:13.000 Yes, like Medicare and Social Security, those third rails of American politics.

00:28:16.000 Democrats and Republicans know that there will come a point where austerity has to be brought upon the American people.

00:28:21.000 That will include tax increases.

00:28:23.000 It will include massive cuts to social benefits.

00:28:26.000 All those things will happen.

00:28:27.000 It's just a question of when.

00:28:28.000 Or you can plan for it now, but nobody will touch that.

00:28:31.000 Instead, we'll jabber about pork barrel spending and bridges to nowhere that cost a fraction of what it would cost to actually look at Social Security and Medicare.

00:28:40.000 And the reality is, we're not going to do any of that unless you actually win.

00:28:43.000 You have to win.

00:28:44.000 You have to own the House.

00:28:45.000 You have to own the Senate.

00:28:46.000 You have to own the presidency.

00:28:47.000 Then you can move stuff.

00:28:49.000 What's amazing to me is that the calls for political courage constantly seem to be directly in inverse proportion to the amount of power Republicans wield.

00:28:58.000 It's kind of an amazing thing, truly.

00:29:00.000 When Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the presidency, the calls for political courage disappear on the right.

00:29:07.000 When Trump was president and Republicans ran the House and the Senate, where were the calls for, now's the moment, guys.

00:29:12.000 Let's restructure Social Security.

00:29:13.000 Let's restructure Medicaid.

00:29:15.000 Let's change how we do spending bills. 0.96

00:29:16.000 Now's the time.

00:29:17.000 Let's do it right now.

00:29:18.000 Let's do it right now.

00:29:20.000 Where were the calls?

00:29:20.000 They totally went away.

00:29:21.000 No one cared.

00:29:22.000 And then, when the Republicans are, like, barely in control of one house of Congress, like, be strong!

00:29:27.000 You have to stand up, and now's the— Now is— No, actually.

00:29:31.000 You know when you get things done?

00:29:32.000 When you have control of the levers.

00:29:35.000 Now, what does that— what does that bespeak?

00:29:37.000 It bespeaks that when you're victorious, you tend to be lazy.

00:29:39.000 And when you are not victorious, you tend to be defeatist, and thus, desperate, and thus, charging to walls at top speed.

00:29:45.000 Here's McCarthy talking about how nobody wins in a government shutdown, which, I mean, Speaking in terms of just political wins and losses, we've had several of these.

00:29:54.000 Nobody's been like a big winner from a government shutdown in the recent past.

00:29:59.000 I showed frustration in here because I am frustrated with the committee.

00:30:02.000 I'm frustrated with some people in the conference.

00:30:04.000 But when we come back, we're not going to leave.

00:30:06.000 We're going to get this done.

00:30:08.000 Nobody wins in a government shutdown.

00:30:11.000 Okay, that happens to be true.

00:30:12.000 You can yell about it, you can protest about it.

00:30:15.000 A government shutdown is not going to result in Barack Obama repealing Obamacare.

00:30:18.000 He wasn't going to when Ted Cruz did this routine back in 2013.

00:30:23.000 A government shutdown is not going to result in Joe Biden reneging on the Inflation Reduction Act or whatever garbage he wants to pass.

00:30:29.000 It's not going to do it.

00:30:30.000 Again, I'll give you the idealism, I'll tell you what I want, and then I'll tell you what's realistic.

00:30:34.000 Because that's what responsible people do.

00:30:36.000 And it seems to me that if you're talking about the fate of the United States and our fiscal future, responsibility should be at the top of the list.

00:30:43.000 Or we can just be defeatist and then run against walls.

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00:32:38.000 Okay, meanwhile.

00:32:39.000 Now, speaking of the idea that defeatism and despair is a bad strategy, we gotta talk about the 2024 presidential election.

00:32:46.000 Donald Trump has a very decent shot of being president of the United States, if in fact he is the nominee.

00:32:50.000 When I say very decent, I don't mean like 50%, I don't mean 60% or 70%, I mean like a 33, 35% shot.

00:32:56.000 The reason that I say that is because, again, he lost the last election cycle.

00:32:59.000 And he lost in a bunch of states he shouldn't have lost, including Arizona and Georgia, and I don't know how he's going to make up the ground in places like Arizona and Georgia given his current campaign status, the fact that he's spending all of his campaign money on, for example, legal expenses, and the fact that he's going to face down four separate criminal indictments in the next year.

00:33:16.000 But that doesn't mean he can't possibly be president.

00:33:18.000 There's only one thing that could certainly foreclose Trump from being president.

00:33:22.000 Like 100% he will not be president.

00:33:24.000 There's only one thing that could happen that would do that.

00:33:26.000 And that is his own allegation that the election is rigged.

00:33:30.000 I've said this before.

00:33:32.000 Once Donald Trump says the 2020 election is rigged, he has now created an unfalsifiable reality.

00:33:38.000 Because how can he ever win?

00:33:41.000 Serious question.

00:33:42.000 How can he ever win?

00:33:44.000 If I tell you, I played really hard last night in my basketball game, but let me tell you, the referee was actively paid by the other side.

00:33:49.000 Actively paid.

00:33:50.000 And every time I touched the ball, he called a foul.

00:33:52.000 Didn't matter what was happening on the court.

00:33:54.000 There was no way for me to win.

00:33:55.000 And you say, well, you know, guys, next game, same ref, same other team.

00:34:01.000 Can you win?

00:34:02.000 The answer is no.

00:34:03.000 He's been paid off.

00:34:05.000 The only way, ironically, for Trump to be able to claim that he can win in the 2024 election is one of two things.

00:34:10.000 If he says that it's rigged.

00:34:12.000 One, he has to stop saying that it's rigged.

00:34:14.000 He has to say, listen, if we get enough voters out there, we'll win.

00:34:17.000 Because it's not rigged.

00:34:18.000 Because, yeah, I lost in 2020 because I didn't get enough votes.

00:34:20.000 But I'm going to win next time because I'm going to get more votes.

00:34:24.000 It's not rigged, so you should vote.

00:34:25.000 Because we actually know that when he says, for example, that things are rigged, so you should vote, you know what the outcome is?

00:34:31.000 2021 Georgia election.

00:34:33.000 Two Democrat senators and $7 trillion in spending thanks to Donald Trump's dumbass attempts to turn the Georgia 2021 special election into a referendum on how he did in Georgia, leading a bunch of rural Republicans not to vote and hand two separate Senate seats to Democrats and control of the Senate and $7 trillion in spending.

00:34:51.000 So you know what strategy I would like to not do?

00:34:53.000 That strategy.

00:34:54.000 Again, Donald Trump can win.

00:34:56.000 He has to stop saying that the election is rigged.

00:34:58.000 The reason he has to stop saying the election is rigged is why would you vote if the election is rigged?

00:35:02.000 Why would I vote if the election is rigged?

00:35:04.000 No matter what I do, they're going to rig the election.

00:35:06.000 Okay, the other thing that he could say, theoretically, is something has changed systemically between 2020 and 2024, right?

00:35:12.000 He could say, well, you know, there are a bunch of Republican states that have cleaned up their act, which, sure, I mean, Georgia passed a bill, Florida passed a bill, okay.

00:35:19.000 He could theoretically make that case, although he's going to have a tougher time in Arizona.

00:35:23.000 He could make the case that we are taking serious, on-the-ground steps to engage in some of the things Democrats do, like ballot harvesting or early voting.

00:35:30.000 He could say those things, right?

00:35:31.000 That would change the factors on the ground.

00:35:33.000 Does he say any of those things?

00:35:34.000 He does not say any of those things.

00:35:35.000 So yesterday, he did an interview.

00:35:38.000 Again, it's so irritating to me.

00:35:40.000 Donald Trump could still be president.

00:35:41.000 He would still be president today if he had run a good campaign in 2020.

00:35:46.000 And by the way, he would be leading Joe Biden by leaps and bounds if after the election of 2020, he had said, okay, I lost, but Joe Biden's going to be a terrible president.

00:35:54.000 And I'll be back in like a year telling you how terrible it was.

00:35:58.000 And you're going to want me again.

00:36:00.000 It would have been that simple, but we're not doing that.

00:36:03.000 In any case, Donald Trump does an interview with Megyn Kelly, and she asks him the question that I have been asking for like a couple of years at this point.

00:36:11.000 If you say the 2020 election was rigged, how do you plan on winning the 2024 election if it is similarly rigged?

00:36:17.000 And his answer is everything that I said he should not say.

00:36:20.000 His answer is, it is rigged.

00:36:23.000 There's no way I can win.

00:36:25.000 They'll just rig it.

00:36:26.000 They'll bring in fake voters.

00:36:27.000 They'll bring in fake ballots.

00:36:28.000 They'll throw out good ballots.

00:36:30.000 And so what's his strategy?

00:36:32.000 He says, well, we'll get great voter turnout.

00:36:34.000 That doesn't matter if your entire argument is that Stalin is in the back room throwing out the votes.

00:36:38.000 You can get a bajillion votes.

00:36:39.000 You can win by 100 million votes and you'll still lose because your argument is, as we would have said in law school, an argument that proves too much.

00:36:45.000 In fact, you are discouraging your own voters from voting when you say their votes don't matter.

00:36:49.000 Like this is just strategic. 0.78

00:36:50.000 It's strategic foolishness.

00:36:52.000 I don't understand it.

00:36:54.000 If he's the nominee, I'm going to vote for him.

00:36:55.000 I want him to win if he's the nominee.

00:36:57.000 But this is not the strategy for winning.

00:36:58.000 This isn't the vote, the strategy for getting voter turnout up.

00:37:01.000 It's a strategy for creating despair inside your own party.

00:37:03.000 I don't understand this.

00:37:04.000 Here he was with Megyn Kelly yesterday.

00:37:06.000 Everyone knows you think 2020 was rigged.

00:37:10.000 How are you going to unrig it in 2024?

00:37:13.000 I get that question a lot, too.

00:37:14.000 Look, they use COVID to cheat.

00:37:16.000 They cheat anyway, because how can you win elections?

00:37:19.000 Open borders, high taxes, high interest rates, no voter ID.

00:37:24.000 I mean, everything they do is like April Fool's Day.

00:37:26.000 It's the opposite, OK?

00:37:28.000 They have horrible policy.

00:37:30.000 They're only good at cheating on elections. 0.99

00:37:32.000 You want to know the truth.

00:37:33.000 And I get the question, too.

00:37:35.000 We have unbelievable people and we're going to be fighting like hell because if I don't win the election.

00:37:40.000 OK, pause it there for a second.

00:37:41.000 We have unbelievable people and we're going to be and we're going and we're going to be fighting like hell is not an answer to they cheated and rigged all the rules.

00:37:47.000 How are you going to win?

00:37:49.000 In 2020, I assume he would have said the same thing, that he had unbelievable people and they're going to fight like hell.

00:37:53.000 Fighting like hell is not a strategy.

00:37:54.000 Fighting like hell is a description of a thing.

00:37:57.000 It is not a strategy.

00:37:59.000 If I tell you, again, the referee in this basketball game is paid off by the opposition and is going to rig the game for the opposition, and you say, how are you going to win?

00:38:08.000 And I say, I'm going to play unbelievable.

00:38:10.000 That doesn't answer the question.

00:38:13.000 And the question must be answered.

00:38:15.000 Because if you want him to win, he better have an answer to this question.

00:38:18.000 Otherwise, they'll just do the same thing they did in 2020 according to him!

00:38:22.000 Not according to me, according to him!

00:38:24.000 Again, my case is pretty simple.

00:38:25.000 He won in 2016.

00:38:26.000 He lost in 2020.

00:38:27.000 He can win in 2024 because he won in 2016.

00:38:30.000 He could also lose like he lost in 2020.

00:38:32.000 Right?

00:38:33.000 Which means he should run a good election campaign, and then he'll win.

00:38:36.000 But, he has foreclosed that possibility now, and now it's a box.

00:38:39.000 It's a box of his own making.

00:38:41.000 And the only person who benefits from that box is Donald Trump the brand, but not Donald Trump the presidential candidate.

00:38:45.000 Donald Trump the brand benefits because if he loses, he can claim that he wasn't actually a loser.

00:38:49.000 It was somebody else's fault. 0.85

00:38:50.000 They rigged the rules, everybody was mean to him, and all the rest of this whining nonsense.

00:38:53.000 Or, and by the way, when I say nonsense, I don't mean it's not true.

00:38:56.000 I just mean that whining in politics, if you're whining, you're losing.

00:39:00.000 Okay, that's just the reality.

00:39:02.000 Winers whine and winners win.

00:39:04.000 So if he actually wants to win, he should stop with the whining and he should start actually, I don't know, investing tens of millions of dollars in ballot harvesting operations.

00:39:10.000 He should start investing tens of millions of dollars in get-out-the-vote efforts with regard to early balloting.

00:39:15.000 He should spend tens of his own money.

00:39:18.000 He should be spending this money on his legal fees so that when I give a dollar to his campaign in the general, which I'm sure I will, then that money will not go to his legal fees.

00:39:26.000 It will go to actually doing the things necessary to win votes.

00:39:29.000 But he didn't stop there.

00:39:31.000 He keeps doubling down on it.

00:39:32.000 According to Donald Trump, the election isn't just rigged, it's super rigged.

00:39:36.000 Which doesn't answer the question.

00:39:37.000 Because if I don't win the election, meaning this philosophy, this thought, but if I don't

00:39:43.000 win the election, I think our country is finished.

00:39:47.000 I think it's the most important election we've ever had.

00:39:50.000 If I don't win this election, like you talk to me about all of the different prosecutions.

00:39:55.000 These aren't prosecutions.

00:39:56.000 These aren't indictments.

00:39:57.000 These are Biden indictments.

00:39:58.000 These are different.

00:39:59.000 This isn't God coming down from high and indicting you. 0.69

00:40:03.000 This is crooked Joe Biden. 0.99

00:40:05.000 He's crooked as a... 0.99

00:40:07.000 Three dollar bill. 0.87

00:40:08.000 He used to say two dollar bill, but we have a few of them around. 0.97

00:40:11.000 He's a crooked guy. 0.99

00:40:12.000 He's a crooked politician. 0.99

00:40:14.000 And he said, indict my political opponent.

00:40:18.000 So when they say, and it's very interesting, the press First they start that way.

00:40:23.000 But then with time, they say, oh, he's under indictment.

00:40:25.000 No.

00:40:26.000 These are all Biden indictments, including the DA's office.

00:40:30.000 You know, he put his top guy in the DA's office in Manhattan.

00:40:34.000 And everybody says it's not even a case.

00:40:35.000 And?

00:40:36.000 I mean, it shouldn't even be brought.

00:40:37.000 You've seen that.

00:40:37.000 You've heard that.

00:40:38.000 You've probably.

00:40:39.000 I've said that. 0.95

00:40:39.000 OK, it's ridiculous. 0.95

00:40:40.000 It's a ridiculous case. 0.98

00:40:42.000 But they put, he put his top people in the DA. 0.89

00:40:45.000 He's dealing with Fannie Willis.

00:40:47.000 In Atlanta.

00:40:48.000 It's all a hoax.

00:40:50.000 But here's the thing.

00:40:51.000 It's very important for people to know this.

00:40:52.000 Because Republicans are bummed out.

00:40:53.000 They're thinking, I'm not even going to vote.

00:40:55.000 Forget it.

00:40:56.000 My vote's not going to count.

00:40:57.000 It's just the opposite.

00:40:58.000 They're going to get it by the mail-in ballots again.

00:41:00.000 They're going to vote in numbers that you've never seen before because they see what's happening.

00:41:07.000 Should they do the mail-in?

00:41:08.000 Should the GOP voters do the mail-in?

00:41:10.000 Okay, here's what we can't allow.

00:41:12.000 Yeah, I would say let him do it either way.

00:41:14.000 You know, I'm less on that.

00:41:15.000 I like the Tuesday stuff, but then you see what happened to Carrie Lake, where all the machines were broken, or a big portion of them. 0.97

00:41:21.000 Wouldn't it be smarter to bank some vote before?

00:41:23.000 Oh my God, we're doing Carrie Lake now?

00:41:25.000 Okay, stop.

00:41:25.000 Pause it for a second.

00:41:26.000 Pause for a second.

00:41:27.000 Carrie Lake is running again, now for the Senate in Arizona, claiming that she won.

00:41:31.000 She did not win.

00:41:32.000 She lost to a wet dish towel.

00:41:35.000 You know what drives down the vote?

00:41:36.000 It actively drives down the vote when you talk... I don't... Will they vote early?

00:41:40.000 Should they vote early?

00:41:40.000 I don't know.

00:41:41.000 Should they mail it in?

00:41:42.000 Yeah, of course they should mail it in!

00:41:43.000 Are you... Are you kidding me?

00:41:45.000 Are you kidding me?

00:41:46.000 Okay, there's one state in which there was a red wave in 2022.

00:41:48.000 You know which state that was?

00:41:49.000 It's the state I live in.

00:41:50.000 You know why?

00:41:50.000 Because everyone I know voted early!

00:41:52.000 Everyone!

00:41:53.000 Because they learned the lesson of 2020.

00:41:55.000 You vote early.

00:41:56.000 You vote however you gotta vote.

00:41:58.000 You make sure you get the votes in.

00:41:59.000 Why is he ambivalent about this?

00:42:00.000 He's the candidate.

00:42:01.000 I don't understand.

00:42:04.000 Well, no, you could, but the problem is they throw the votes out.

00:42:07.000 I mean, it's crooked.

00:42:08.000 We have a... Wait, wait, wait.

00:42:09.000 So be clear.

00:42:10.000 What is the message to the voters?

00:42:11.000 Do you want them to do the vote-in, the mail-in vote, or no?

00:42:14.000 Everybody... People say yes.

00:42:17.000 Do it.

00:42:18.000 We have a bigger problem.

00:42:20.000 I believe they send in fake ballots, okay?

00:42:22.000 That's the bigger problem.

00:42:23.000 That's your third problem.

00:42:26.000 That's your third problem.

00:42:27.000 They send in fake ballots.

00:42:28.000 They throw out the ballots that you are sending.

00:42:29.000 They broke all the machines.

00:42:30.000 No matter what happens, I'm gonna lose.

00:42:32.000 Also, vote for me.

00:42:33.000 Like, how is that possibly your campaign message on how you're gonna win?

00:42:36.000 How?

00:42:37.000 So, what does that lead to?

00:42:38.000 It leads to, okay, this kind of protest mentality.

00:42:40.000 Okay, if I yell aloud enough, then magic happens.

00:42:42.000 That's not how this works.

00:42:43.000 If you want Trump to win, he needs to have an answer to this question, an actual, on-the-ground answer that involves spending money in particular ways and deploying resources in particular ways.

00:42:52.000 And if he's not focused on any of those things, you have to ask the question as to why he is not focused on those things.

00:42:57.000 I don't know the answer.

00:42:58.000 Is it because it takes too much effort?

00:43:00.000 Is it because he doesn't care?

00:43:01.000 Why?

00:43:01.000 If the only thing he cares about is defeating Biden, do the things you need to do to defeat Joe Biden.

00:43:06.000 You know what that doesn't involve?

00:43:08.000 Complaining that they're literally going to take all the ballots and throw them out the window.

00:43:11.000 Because if that's true, it doesn't matter what Trump does, he's going to lose.

00:43:14.000 According to him, not according to me.

00:43:17.000 Well, that wasn't the end of Donald Trump's interview with Megyn Kelly.

00:43:19.000 So Megyn gave the first interview with Trump I've seen in a very long time that actually was a good interview with Trump because Megyn is the best in the business. 0.92

00:43:25.000 It wasn't sycophantic nonsense about how he was nice to Mike Pence.

00:43:28.000 And it wasn't the left simply asking why such a bad, mean man.

00:43:31.000 It was her asking actual incisive questions.

00:43:34.000 And I got to say, Trump underperformed.

00:43:36.000 He did.

00:43:37.000 I mean, that's just the reality of the situation.

00:43:38.000 In this interview with Megyn Kelly, and if there were anyone who are still objective in this race, I don't know that they would be in love with Trump's answer.

00:43:44.000 So for example, she asked him about his performance on COVID.

00:43:47.000 His performance on COVID was at best an extremely mixed bag.

00:43:50.000 Everyone who was there and who has a memory longer than a goldfish knows that.

00:43:55.000 I remember it, you remember it.

00:43:56.000 He was ripping on Brian Kemp in one moment saying, why is he reopening his state?

00:44:00.000 And in the other, he was like, liberate Michigan!

00:44:02.000 And he's like, I don't understand what you want.

00:44:05.000 On the one hand it was, Dr. Fauci, the greatest public ser- and on the other hand it was, Dr. Fauci, he's terrible- like, it was just all confused and discombobulated.

00:44:12.000 That's like, best case scenario.

00:44:14.000 In any case, she asks Trump a question that a lot of people have asked Trump, which is why he didn't fire Fauci.

00:44:19.000 Now listen, I actually think there's a reason he didn't fire Fauci.

00:44:21.000 His big mistake was putting Fauci in charge in the first place.

00:44:24.000 Once you put Fauci in charge, it happens to be the political case in defense of Trump.

00:44:28.000 That Fauci being fired would have created this massive firestorm in which would have been the science versus Trump.

00:44:34.000 And that would have been bad going into the elections.

00:44:35.000 I get it.

00:44:36.000 I actually do get that.

00:44:37.000 But now Trump's in like a full... Once we had moved further along, why was he giving Fauci a Presidential Medal of Commendation?

00:44:48.000 That's a real question.

00:44:50.000 That Presidential Medal of Commendation came long after all of this.

00:44:53.000 Here is Trump with Megyn Kelly trying to explain. 0.98

00:44:56.000 This is the criticism of you, that you made him the face of the White House coronavirus task force.

00:45:01.000 You think so?

00:45:02.000 That he was out at every presser, that he was running herd for the administration on COVID, and that you actually gave him a presidential commendation before he left office.

00:45:10.000 Wouldn't you like a do-over on that?

00:45:13.000 I don't know who gave him the accommodation.

00:45:15.000 I really don't know who gave him the accommodation.

00:45:17.000 Presidential accommodation?

00:45:18.000 One went on for Mark Zuckerberg, too?

00:45:19.000 I know.

00:45:19.000 Somebody probably handed him accommodation.

00:45:21.000 He probably... But let me just tell you about Fauci.

00:45:24.000 Fauci was very important in the Biden administration, much less important.

00:45:27.000 If you know, he didn't want to stop China.

00:45:30.000 He wanted to let everyone come in from China.

00:45:32.000 I stopped it.

00:45:33.000 I overrode it.

00:45:34.000 I overrode many of the things he did.

00:45:36.000 He was much less important to me.

00:45:38.000 Now, with that all being said, he's been there for years.

00:45:41.000 He was respected.

00:45:42.000 He lost a lot of the respect because of COVID, but he was respected.

00:45:46.000 And on COVID, if you know what I did, I let the governors run their states.

00:45:53.000 Okay, that was the best part is that he did, in fact, let governors run.

00:45:56.000 He's right about that.

00:45:56.000 But he gave a president.

00:45:58.000 Yes, of course, he gave a presidential commendation to on the day before he left office.

00:46:02.000 Okay, that was by January.

00:46:03.000 He'd already lost the election.

00:46:04.000 He was leaving office and he gave a presidential commendation to, by the way, not just Not just Anthony Fauci.

00:46:10.000 He gave one to the much maligned General Mark Milley.

00:46:14.000 He gave one to Deborah Birx, if you recall this.

00:46:17.000 It's literally in the same list.

00:46:19.000 He went to Deborah Birx, he gave one to Mark Milley, and he gave one to Anthony Fauci.

00:46:24.000 But he doesn't know who did it.

00:46:25.000 Well, I mean, since your signature is on the page, I assume you're the one who did it.

00:46:29.000 Then, of course, he suggested that DeSantis was a big Fauci fan, which, like, come on.

00:46:32.000 This is just...

00:46:34.000 Guys, you can love Trump, you can vote for Trump.

00:46:36.000 All that's fine and dandy.

00:46:37.000 Can we stop pretending that he's being an honest advocate here?

00:46:40.000 He's not.

00:46:41.000 That is a lie.

00:46:42.000 It is a lie that Donald Trump was somehow a lesser fan of Anthony Fauci than Ron DeSantis.

00:46:49.000 That's absurd.

00:46:49.000 He said that in the Kelly interview.

00:46:50.000 It's just ridiculous.

00:46:51.000 DeSantis fought back on that, of course, as he should.

00:46:55.000 I'm sure you saw the former president's interview with Megyn Kelly last night, trying to relitigate a lot of these COVID issues and controversies from the end of his presidency.

00:47:07.000 You were accused of having one of the worst lockdowns in the country, vaccine mandates, praising Fauci for months on end.

00:47:15.000 I want to give you a chance to respond to all of that, because all that stuff was mentioned by the former president in that interview.

00:47:23.000 Well, first, I think it's important to say that that is different from what Donald Trump used to say.

00:47:27.000 I mean, he used to praise Florida for having been open.

00:47:30.000 He used to say I was one of the country's great governors.

00:47:34.000 He said we handled COVID correctly and brilliantly.

00:47:37.000 So he used to say that.

00:47:38.000 He was on record always saying that.

00:47:41.000 Now, because I'm a threat to him, that's when he's now changing his tune.

00:47:48.000 That obviously is true.

00:47:50.000 That was in the end of the Kelly interview.

00:47:51.000 Again, it was a really good interview by Megan.

00:47:52.000 She did a really good job with this.

00:47:54.000 She asked Trump about his classified documents case.

00:47:57.000 And, by the way, Meghan is a believer that Trump should not be prosecuted on the classified documents case, so far as I'm aware, specifically because Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted for pretty much the same thing.

00:48:06.000 But she asked him a pretty simple question, which is, why did you keep the documents?

00:48:09.000 And then why were you waving them around?

00:48:10.000 And also, why did you lie to Bret Baier and say that the documents you were waving around, on tape, saying that they were classified, and you could have declassified to them, but you didn't?

00:48:17.000 Why did you say that those were golf plans when they clearly were not?

00:48:20.000 And at this point, Trump's lawyers must just be like setting their hair on fire.

00:48:24.000 I mean, my goodness, he's just.

00:48:25.000 Again, guys, if you're going to do criming, don't do the criming on tape and then don't retrospectively admit that you did the criming like this is.

00:48:32.000 Here is Donald Trump making his lawyers, you know, I think his lawyers all have.

00:48:38.000 Just brain aneurysms at this point.

00:48:41.000 Now, why would you describe a newspaper article as highly confidential and still a secret, saying as president you could have declassified it, but now you can't?

00:48:49.000 Let me just tell you something.

00:48:51.000 Number one, I did nothing wrong, because I come under the Presidential Records Act.

00:48:56.000 The fascists who are going after me, and they're not going after Biden, even though he has about 10 times more documents, maybe more than that, he has documents going back 40 years or 50 years.

00:49:07.000 We did nothing wrong.

00:49:08.000 I come under the Presidential Records Act.

00:49:10.000 I'm allowed to have these documents.

00:49:12.000 This was done in 1978, and this was done for exactly this reason.

00:49:18.000 I'm allowed to have these documents.

00:49:23.000 Um, what?

00:49:25.000 So, in other words, he lied about Barron.

00:49:27.000 He said they're golf plans.

00:49:28.000 And they're not newspapers.

00:49:29.000 They were classified documents, but he's making the argument that he's allowed to have the classified documents.

00:49:34.000 I mean, now he's basically just said, like, what he's talking about is a legal interpretation of the statute.

00:49:41.000 For the record, the Presidential Records Act covers personal presidential communications.

00:49:45.000 It is if you keep a diary of your time in the White House, that does not become classified material that is yours.

00:49:49.000 It does not mean that if there's a CIA report that crosses your desk, and you don't declassify it, and you take it home, and you put it in your drawer, that it is now magically declassified.

00:49:57.000 That is not what the Presidential Records Act says.

00:49:59.000 It never said that.

00:50:00.000 That is a misstatement of the law.

00:50:03.000 Even if you interpret the law like Trump is interpreting the law, that's a legal argument, that is not a factual argument.

00:50:07.000 What Trump is going to be asked to testify about if he testifies in that case is he says that he will, and his lawyers certainly will not let him.

00:50:13.000 If he were to testify in that case, they're not going to ask him about his interpretation of the Presidential Records Act.

00:50:18.000 That's an argument for legal analysts.

00:50:21.000 They're going to ask him whether he declassified the documents.

00:50:24.000 Whether he went through any process, and he's going to say no, because he did not go through any process.

00:50:28.000 He's going to say, they're automatically declassified.

00:50:30.000 Again, that's a legal argument, not a factual one.

00:50:32.000 They're going to say, did you go through any process for declassifying the documents?

00:50:34.000 He's going to say no.

00:50:35.000 Then they're going to say, on tape, did you say that you could have declassified the documents, but you did not?

00:50:39.000 And he's going to have to say yes, because they have them on tape.

00:50:41.000 And then they're going to say, were those documents the Iran plans?

00:50:45.000 Were they something that was classified?

00:50:48.000 And he's going to have to say, well, yes.

00:50:49.000 Because he's saying all of it, like right on Megyn Kelly's show.

00:50:54.000 Again, should that prosecution be brought against Trump?

00:50:55.000 No.

00:50:56.000 Is Trump like his own worst enemy when it comes to these legal matters?

00:51:00.000 Absolutely.

00:51:00.000 Now, is any of this going to matter?

00:51:02.000 The answer is no.

00:51:03.000 For a lot of Republican voters, they don't care.

00:51:04.000 They're not looking at what he says.

00:51:06.000 They're not even looking at what he does.

00:51:07.000 They feel like they know the guy and they're loyal to him and they believe that because he won in 2016, he'll pull a rabbit out of the hat in 2024 and he doesn't have to have a plan.

00:51:15.000 He'll magic his way to the White House.

00:51:17.000 Okay, fine.

00:51:18.000 But, you know, in the world of actual political analysis, where we are supposed to look at what people say and what people do, Megyn Kelly did a good job of interviewing Trump and he did not do a good job of handling those questions, just on any objective level.

00:51:30.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:51:34.000 So, things that I like today.

00:51:36.000 I'm excited to announce to you that the Union Solidarity Coalition, which is apparently a group of quasi-famous actors and actresses and writers and such, they are now auctioning off their services to benefit their crew's healthcare fund.

00:51:49.000 Now, at this point, I should remind you that every single person who's auctioning off services is worth many millions of dollars.

00:51:54.000 And if they actually wanted to help benefit their crew's healthcare fund, they could just sign a check.

00:51:58.000 In fact, that would be the best way to do it.

00:51:59.000 So, if you are Lena Dunham, And number one, you come from a very wealthy family.

00:52:04.000 And number two, you have a net worth of 10, 12 million dollars.

00:52:09.000 You know, it's a great way to help out the people who are members of your crew,

00:52:12.000 sign them a check.

00:52:13.000 Like, amazing, you got a bunch of money, you could do that.

00:52:16.000 If you're, say, Bob Odenkirk, and you've made a massive success of yourself over the past few years.

00:52:22.000 And you have a net worth that ranges in the $16 million range.

00:52:26.000 Well, maybe you should sign a check.

00:52:27.000 Well, no.

00:52:28.000 Are they doing any of that?

00:52:28.000 No.

00:52:29.000 What they're actually doing is they're auctioning off their services, guys.

00:52:31.000 This is exciting, exciting stuff.

00:52:33.000 So let me read you some of the auction items that are now available.

00:52:36.000 Because, man, this is... What gems are available to you?

00:52:41.000 These bids are open on eBay, by the way, for the next seven to eight days.

00:52:45.000 I cannot wait.

00:52:46.000 So, you could, if you spend the proper amount of money, have a mural painted by Lena Dunham in your house.

00:52:55.000 She'll come to your house, if you live in New York, London, or LA, and she will paint you a mural in your home. 0.88

00:53:01.000 Which sounds like a nightmare, because Lena Dunham is most famous for, you know, Being obsessed with the genitalia. 1.00

00:53:09.000 So she says that when she was growing up, her house was effectively covered in pictures of female genitals. 0.98

00:53:15.000 So I hope that you're ready to enjoy that.

00:53:19.000 And then there are pictures of her like doing murals in kids' rooms.

00:53:24.000 And there are some restrictions on the bid.

00:53:27.000 She says, this package does not include any items or services not detailed in the above description.

00:53:32.000 It's non-transferable.

00:53:34.000 And also, Respect for talent and their staff will be expected at all times.

00:53:37.000 Inappropriate behavior or solicitation for personal gain by the winner could result in the immediate conclusion of the experience with no refund.

00:53:43.000 The talent has the right to end the experience at any time for any reason with no refund and background check and all the rest.

00:53:48.000 So if you want Lena Dunham, a weirdo, in your house painting strange things on your walls, you could do that.

00:53:54.000 By the way, that's only going to cost you about three grand.

00:53:57.000 Other items of interest.

00:54:00.000 So you could get a session asking Maggie Gyllenhaal 20 minutes and 20 questions with Maggie Gyllenhaal.

00:54:07.000 That one is going for about a little under a thousand dollars right now.

00:54:11.000 20 minutes and 20 questions with Maggie Gyllenhaal.

00:54:13.000 So honestly like if you're going to do that I would recommend that you just ask her about Jake the whole time.

00:54:18.000 You should just ask her like how did you feel when he was doing Prince of Persia?

00:54:21.000 When he was in October Sky?

00:54:22.000 How did that make you feel Maggie?

00:54:25.000 I think that would be of benefit to the world.

00:54:28.000 Natasha Lyonne is allowing you to help her help you solve the New York Times Sunday Crossword Puzzle.

00:54:36.000 I don't know why you would desire that.

00:54:40.000 Or how she is, is she like amazing at crossword puzzles? 0.98

00:54:44.000 Or why it would, like, I don't, okay?

00:54:48.000 I suppose?

00:54:49.000 That one's good.

00:54:50.000 There is one of these I would bid on and that is, apparently, John Lithgow will do a watercolor portrait of your dog.

00:54:56.000 Which is pretty hysterical.

00:54:58.000 And I'll admit, that seems kind of, like, kind of fun.

00:55:01.000 And kind of worth it.

00:55:03.000 Apparently, you can also bid on other items, including, for example, 20 questions, 20 minute Zoom with Sarah Silverman.

00:55:11.000 Now, the problem is that during that Zoom, you'll have to actually listen to Sarah Silverman's voice for 20 long minutes.

00:55:19.000 The little cutesy baby voice.

00:55:21.000 You'll have to listen to that.

00:55:23.000 And she presumably says swear words a lot.

00:55:26.000 That's exciting stuff.

00:55:27.000 I mean, Jimmy Kimmel paid a lot of money just to not have to listen to Sarah Silverman's voice.

00:55:32.000 So there's that.

00:55:34.000 Apparently Adam Scott, you know the guy from like Severance?

00:55:38.000 He is offering to walk your dog for one hour, LA-based dogs only, $2,500.

00:55:42.000 Or Adam Scott could sign a check that would benefit the crew, but he's gonna walk your dog for like an hour, which sounds amazing.

00:55:52.000 Or theoretically, you could just walk your dog yourself.

00:55:55.000 But I guess if you really want to be able to say that you hired Adam Scott to walk your dog, because it's like a good cocktail party story or something, you could do that.

00:56:03.000 I'm very into the sessions that are now being auctioned off with like old Fox shows that lasted for a few seasons, but nobody remembers.

00:56:12.000 So there's now a virtual hangout available with the cast of Bones.

00:56:16.000 Ooh.

00:56:16.000 With Emily, David, Michaela, and Tamara.

00:56:18.000 Are you excited?

00:56:19.000 Remember Bones?

00:56:21.000 I barely do also.

00:56:22.000 I mostly just remember the commercials during 24.

00:56:25.000 But if you really want to hang with the cast of Bones, now is your absolute, virtually of course, they don't want to be in a room with you, but like virtually, now is your moment.

00:56:33.000 I'm gonna hold off on betting on that until Lie to Me, until the cast of Lie to Me, a short-lived Fox series, is available, like Tim Roth.

00:56:40.000 I'm just gonna hold my fire.

00:56:43.000 Apparently there's a person named Ali Pinku.

00:56:45.000 I don't know who that is.

00:56:46.000 Ali Pinku? 0.72

00:56:47.000 Any ideas, guys?

00:56:48.000 Ali Pinku is a director.

00:56:52.000 Um, what has she directed?

00:56:54.000 She has directed the first full season of Netflix Feel Good, and, uh, she has written on an unpronounceable show on, uh, because it has a curse word, on 20th Century Fox Bleeps Creek.

00:57:08.000 Uh, and, um, yeah, and she has done, like, an episode of Black Mirror, so that's exciting.

00:57:13.000 You can have this no-name coach you through an hour directing mentorship.

00:57:17.000 Ooh.

00:57:19.000 Man, so many just awesome options here, all of which would be obviated by any of these very, very wealthy people signing a check to the people who actually do most of the work on their show.

00:57:28.000 Really, amazing, amazing.

00:57:29.000 Busy Phillips is offering a New York experience for two.

00:57:33.000 You can take a pottery class with Busy Phillips.

00:57:36.000 This just sounds like the worst remake of Ghost ever.

00:57:40.000 It's just you and Busy Phillips in a room while she yells at you about the wonders of abortion, and you make pottery.

00:57:48.000 Wow.

00:57:50.000 So many opportunities here.

00:57:52.000 So many opportunities.

00:57:53.000 Well, the richness with which these people have endowed our lives and the lack of richness with which they will endow their crew who are out of work right now is truly awe-inspiring.

00:58:04.000 That is awe-inspiring stuff.

00:58:06.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:58:08.000 Alrighty, so.

00:58:14.000 A U.N.

00:58:14.000 official has now come forward to explain that we are in an information war, which means, of course, that it's time for the U.N.

00:58:21.000 to crack down on informational flow, which you knew was coming.

00:58:24.000 Here is a U.N.

00:58:26.000 official named Melissa Fleming.

00:58:26.000 She's the Undersecretary General for Global Communications talking about how we need more trans-global control of information flow.

00:58:34.000 We do feel like we are in an information war and that we need to massively ramp up our response.

00:58:42.000 So we're creating at the UN a central capacity to monitor and also have the ability to rapidly react when misinformation and hate speech is threatening not just our people, our operations, but also the issues and the causes that we're working on.

00:58:59.000 But also we're going to be gearing up our verified initiative around climate change and developing this UN Code of Conduct on Information Integrity on Digital Platforms, hoping to set global standards that we can all advocate around.

00:59:17.000 Oh, good.

00:59:18.000 Global standards.

00:59:19.000 We can all advocate around.

00:59:20.000 Run by an organization that has on its security council China and Russia.

00:59:24.000 I can't see how this will go wrong in any way, shape, or form.

00:59:27.000 I can't see how people who worry about the globalist agenda, why are they concerned?

00:59:32.000 I mean, after all, we have experts on hate speech who are going to come in and dictate to all the social media companies what they can and cannot allow.

00:59:38.000 How could this possibly go wrong?

00:59:41.000 The Arbiters of Morality over at the UN.

00:59:43.000 The Mos Eisley of international politics. 0.99

00:59:45.000 A wretched hive of scum and villainy determining what you can say and what you can't say. 0.99

00:59:50.000 It'll be fine. 0.99

00:59:51.000 Alrighty guys, the rest of the show continues right now.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 15, 2023

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