The Ben Shapiro Show - Is It Mueller Time? | Ep. 542

00:00:00.000 The Trump camp decides to attack the Mueller investigation in a new way, the media continue to play into Trump's hands on MS-13, and we check the mailbag.

00:00:07.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:01:55.000 Okay, so.

00:02:19.000 We begin today with the latest on the Mueller investigation.

00:02:22.000 So, there's this theory that is going around on the right, and it's very hard to tease out exactly what people are accusing various agencies of.

00:02:30.000 The story's gotten so convoluted and so confused by this point, it's kind of hard to follow the timeline as to what happened when the Mueller investigation began, when the Trump-Russia investigation began, when George Papadopoulos was meeting with whom, and when Trump Jr.

00:02:44.000 was meeting with what.

00:02:45.000 And what the hell is going on?

00:02:46.000 So we're going to try and tease out some of that today.

00:02:49.000 And I have to say, I think that there are a lot of people who are on the right who are falling for the line that the FBI was deeply corrupt before the election.

00:02:58.000 And I'm not seeing the evidence that the FBI was acting in deeply corrupt fashion with regard to the Trump campaign before the election happened.

00:03:05.000 I think a bunch of things can be true at once.

00:03:07.000 And I think here are all the things that can be true at once.

00:03:08.000 One, I don't think there was collusion between Trump and Russia.

00:03:11.000 I do not think that the Trump campaign was actively working with the Russians in order to shape the election or in order to release emails from Hillary Clinton via WikiLeaks or any of that sort of thing.

00:03:19.000 I don't think there's any evidence of that whatsoever, too.

00:03:22.000 It is true that there is willingness to collude on the part of some members of the Trump team.

00:03:26.000 That's pretty obvious at this point.

00:03:27.000 Donald Trump Jr.

00:03:28.000 had a meeting at Trump Tower with Natalia Veselnitskaya, who was a Russian cutout, who was apparently going to give him, according to Rob Goldstone, a former Trump publicist, was going to give the Trump campaign a bunch of material on Hillary Clinton.

00:03:39.000 That material never materialized, but

00:03:42.000 Veselnitskaya did meet at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr., and then Trump Jr.

00:03:45.000 released, as you recall, on Twitter, a bunch of emails saying that between him and Goldstone, talking about how he was excited that the Russians wanted to back his dad in the presidential campaign.

00:03:53.000 Now, willingness to collude is not actually a crime.

00:03:57.000 Being willing to do something isn't a crime.

00:03:58.000 If I'm willing to rob a bank, that is not the same thing as me taking an active step toward the robbing of the bank, which is what conspiracy would actually involve.

00:04:05.000 And even then, conspiracy is a little bit difficult to prove.

00:04:08.000 It's a notoriously difficult crime to prove in court.

00:04:11.000 Hey, that's not what was happening here.

00:04:12.000 What happened here was willingness, not quite the same thing.

00:04:15.000 So point number one, there's no evidence of collusion.

00:04:17.000 Point number two, there's pretty good evidence of willingness to collude by Donald Trump Jr.

00:04:21.000 and also by George Papadopoulos, who is this low-level foreign policy aide to the Trump campaign, who all the way back in, I believe it was April of 2016,

00:04:30.000 Had a meeting with a professor in London who's actually from Malta, I guess, and was associated with the Russian government and had said to George Papadopoulos that the Russians had access to Hillary Clinton's emails.

00:04:42.000 So, that doesn't mean the email's past tense, but Papadopoulos was willing to hear about it, and then he apparently bragged about it within the hearing of the Australian ambassador, who passed that information along to the FBI, which initiated part of the investigation against George Papadopoulos and attempts to get into the Trump campaign's business.

00:04:59.000 Okay, so.

00:05:00.000 Those two things, again, no collusion, willingness to collude.

00:05:03.000 Point number three, if there was willingness to collude and there was good evidence that there are a bunch of people in the Trump campaign who are at the very least kind of dirty.

00:05:11.000 Paul Manafort, who is the Trump campaign chair, is a dirty dude who was involved with the Ukrainian government when it was basically a Vladimir Putin

00:05:20.000 Front group. 0.76

00:05:21.000 You know, Paul Manafort was involved.

00:05:22.000 Carter Page had been suspected of being a Russian spy for a long time.

00:05:26.000 George Papadopoulos, as I just mentioned.

00:05:28.000 Trump Jr., as I just mentioned.

00:05:30.000 It would have been remiss for the FBI not to actually check this stuff out because, again, reverse the names.

00:05:34.000 If it weren't Donald Trump we were talking about here, but Hillary Clinton, everybody on the right would have said, how could the FBI not have gone further in their investigation into Hillary Clinton?

00:05:43.000 If it had been Chelsea Clinton meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya to find dirt on Trump, we'd all be like, whoa, whoa, hold up, hold up now.

00:05:49.000 Well, you're saying what?

00:05:50.000 And the FBI didn't investigate?

00:05:52.000 So, the FBI's investigation could have been totally proper.

00:05:54.000 Point number four.

00:05:55.000 Okay, all of these can be true at the same time.

00:05:57.000 Point number four.

00:05:59.000 It is also true that all of the leaks of this information post-election are scurrilous and those are corrupt.

00:06:05.000 Leaking out information that does not have confirmation, leaking out information in an attempt to implicate the Trump campaign for stuff it didn't do, all of that is corrupt stuff from Obama holdovers.

00:06:14.000 A lot of that started happening immediately after the election.

00:06:17.000 It passed all the way through up until February and March of 2017 when Trump was forced to fire Michael Flynn.

00:06:24.000 All of that stuff, I think, is corrupt.

00:06:26.000 So, if there's corruption inside the FBI and the CIA, that corruption manifested itself not in the investigation itself, it manifested itself in the leaks of the investigation.

00:06:34.000 Okay, so today, the big story that is being pushed by folks on the right is that it was the investigation itself, the stuff before the election, that was a real problem on the part of the FBI.

00:06:44.000 So, Andy McCarthy, a friend of mine and a very good lawyer,

00:06:48.000 He makes the case over at National Review, and here's what he writes.

00:06:50.000 He says,

00:07:06.000 Fair enough.

00:07:06.000 So Congress has asked for all the material as to what sort of spying activities were going on with regard to the Trump campaign, and the Justice Department has said, no, we're not going to turn all of that over because it would implicate an informant.

00:07:15.000 It would put his life at risk, for example.

00:07:36.000 So McCarthy's saying, well, then why are you leaking all that stuff to the press about what the informant knew and who kind of information about who he was sort of?

00:07:43.000 That's a fair point by McCarthy.

00:07:44.000 Then he gets to the point that I don't think is quite as good.

00:07:46.000 He says,

00:07:52.000 We're good to go!

00:08:17.000 Okay, well, first of all, it depends how they were using these counterintelligence measures.

00:08:22.000 You'd have to make the case that what the FBI was doing was actually illegal unless they had, for example, a criminal warrant.

00:08:28.000 And I'm not seeing any evidence of that.

00:08:30.000 So, one of the accusations that the New York Times makes is that the FBI had an informant inside the Trump campaign.

00:08:35.000 Well, that informant could have been somebody who was working for the Trump campaign and went to the FBI.

00:08:39.000 It could have been somebody the FBI approached to go and talk to the Trump campaign.

00:08:42.000 It is not illegal for the FBI to do this.

00:08:43.000 This sort of stuff happens regularly in all sorts of investigations.

00:08:47.000 Brad Heath, who is an investigative reporter for USA Today who covers law and justice, he says,

00:09:06.000 Which don't require the factual predicate of a formal investigation.

00:09:08.000 There are lots of reasons to be skeptical of how the government uses informants.

00:09:12.000 One ATF informant testified that to get targets for a sting, he basically went up to people on the street and asked if they wanted to do drug robberies.

00:09:18.000 There were guys in Atlanta who were paying other people for information so they could proffer it to the feds to get a sentence reduction.

00:09:23.000 Courts have more or less said that none of this is a valid basis to get a case thrown out.

00:09:27.000 So even when informants are super sketchy, you can't get a case thrown out.

00:09:31.000 There's also not a clear line, at least not in law, according to Brad Heath, that separates what techniques are okay in investigations of politicians compared to, say, drug dealers.

00:09:38.000 And you see informants in those cases, too.

00:09:40.000 The Uranium One case had an informant.

00:09:42.000 The Senator Menendez case had an informant.

00:09:45.000 But if using an informant does taint an investigation, argues Brad Heath, to the point, as Giuliani suggested, that it might have to be shut down, that would implicate a lot of federal cases.

00:09:53.000 And again, even with counterintelligence, it's not clear to me that a counterintelligence investigation can't use an informant in order to garner more information.

00:10:01.000 So in other words, if this was not initiated for stupid reasons, if this was initiated because there's a piece of intelligence that went to the FBI, that George Papadopoulos had been meeting with a guy who was offering him all sorts of information from Russia,

00:10:13.000 And then they initiated an investigation and there was an informant. 0.85

00:10:17.000 I still am not sure why this is suddenly such a terrible thing.

00:10:20.000 Now, a lot of this is being used to to say that Trump was right when he said that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

00:10:26.000 Trump Tower was not wiretapped.

00:10:27.000 That was wrong.

00:10:28.000 But if what Trump was saying is my campaign was surveilled by the FBI, that obviously was true.

00:10:33.000 But that doesn't answer the question as to whether his campaign should have been surveilled by the FBI or whether people in his campaign should have been under FBI investigation.

00:10:40.000 None of that speaks to what actually happened.

00:10:43.000 So I think that what we have to recognize is that there are two ways of viewing this investigation.

00:10:48.000 One is as though you were in the shoes of the FBI as this evidence was coming to you.

00:10:52.000 And one is now in retrospect.

00:10:54.000 If you were viewing the evidence as it came in, it would have been perfectly reasonable, in my opinion, to say, OK, we need to get an informant on what's going on here because there's a lot of suspicious stuff going on here and we need to check it out.

00:11:04.000 That wouldn't have been unreasonable.

00:11:05.000 In retrospect, because they haven't been able to dig up anything really of substance, it looks much more unreasonable.

00:11:10.000 It looks like, wow, you spent all these resources.

00:11:12.000 But if we used that same logic with law enforcement investigations all the time, then law enforcement would not be able to do investigations.

00:11:19.000 Because you can only assess whether to do an investigation based on the evidence that is in front of you at a given time.

00:11:24.000 Listen, this is not me trying to rip on the Trump campaign.

00:11:26.000 Again, I don't think any collusion happened.

00:11:28.000 But I want to be as intellectually honest as possible about what's going on in this investigation so we can actually target the bad guys.

00:11:34.000 I don't think that the people

00:11:35.000 Who were concerned about what they were hearing in June 2016 were the bad guys.

00:11:39.000 I think the people who are leaking out this information knowing there was nothing there afterward, those are the bad guys.

00:11:44.000 The people inside the FBI who decided to leak to the New York Times all this information, those are the bad guys.

00:11:49.000 Because now they're obviously attempting to throw President Trump under the bus, to sully his administration.

00:11:54.000 They are attempting to do that now.

00:11:56.000 And we obviously should look into the Carter Page FISA warrant and make sure that that was legit.

00:12:00.000 We obviously should make sure that what the FBI did was legit, but I'm not seeing the evidence that the FBI was attempting to get Trump during the campaign.

00:12:07.000 They didn't release any of this information during the campaign.

00:12:09.000 They kept it on the down low all the way through the campaign.

00:12:11.000 It was only after the campaign that they started leaking that stuff out, and I would imagine that was a lot of frustrated pro-Hillary people who were leaking that sort of material out in the first place.

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00:13:45.000 Okay, so.

00:13:47.000 Back to Andrew McCarthy's rip on this crossfire hurricane investigation.

00:13:51.000 He says,

00:14:04.000 Unlike criminal cases, counterintelligence matters are classified.

00:14:07.000 If agents had made public disclosures about them, they would have been committing crimes and violating solemn agreements with foreign intelligence services, agreements without which those services would not share information that the U.S.

00:14:16.000 national security officials need in order to protect the country.

00:14:18.000 In the scheme of things, the problem is not that the FBI honored its confidentiality obligations in the Trump case while violating them in the Clinton case.

00:14:26.000 The scandal is that the FBI, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify opening a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign, decided to open a counterintelligence investigation.

00:14:34.000 Again, I think this misses the point.

00:14:35.000 The question is really whether you're allowed to have an informant on a case, whether or not there's a formal investigation that has been filed.

00:14:41.000 And I'm not seeing the evidence that that's the case.

00:14:43.000 Again, informants come in all shapes and sizes, and I think that this is a bit of an overreach by a lot of folks who are hoping to sully the original origins of the investigations, that then they can make the excuse that the investigation has to be shut down.

00:14:57.000 Right now, Kimberly Strassel is doing some of the same stuff over at the Wall Street Journal.

00:15:00.000 She has a piece today where she talks about House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, who appeared on Fox & Friends, where he provided a potentially explosive hint at what's driving his demand to see documents related to the FBI's Trump-Russia probe.

00:15:12.000 He said if the campaign was somehow set up, I think there would be a problem.

00:15:14.000 So now I guess the going theory here is that Carter Page and George Papadopoulos

00:15:19.000 We're not, in fact, in the thrall of Russians.

00:15:22.000 Instead, it was that the FBI and the CIA set up a sting operation in order to entice them to look as though they wanted to work with the Russians.

00:15:30.000 So that changes the theory of the case.

00:15:32.000 Now the argument is no longer there shouldn't have been an informant after we found out that Papadopoulos and Page were doing stuff.

00:15:37.000 Now the argument is that the informant himself was the person who sort of entrapped Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

00:15:45.000 I'm going to need to see the evidence of that.

00:15:46.000 I'm going to need to see the evidence as to what it was.

00:15:49.000 Is the implication here that the London professor that George Propagopoulos met with back in 2016, that that guy was actually a FBI stooge, that he was somebody the FBI had deployed?

00:16:00.000 I don't see all the evidence of this in any real way.

00:16:04.000 I'm gonna wait for all the evidence to come out.

00:16:05.000 Maybe that happens.

00:16:06.000 Maybe that's the case.

00:16:06.000 Maybe that's what happened.

00:16:07.000 But I'm gonna need to see a little bit more than has been provided to me thus far if I'm to buy that the FBI was setting Trump up in some way.

00:16:14.000 And again, if they were setting Trump up in some way, wouldn't you imagine they would have leaked all this information a little bit earlier?

00:16:18.000 It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

00:16:19.000 Okay, meanwhile...

00:16:21.000 This is an insane story.

00:16:22.000 So there's a guy named Meek Mill.

00:16:24.000 I've never heard of Meek Mill.

00:16:25.000 I'm sure people in this room who are not me have heard of Meek Mill.

00:16:27.000 Meek Mill is apparently a rapper of some sort.

00:16:30.000 And Meek Mill was supposed to visit the White House on Friday.

00:16:35.000 He was supposed to visit the White House because the White House is doing criminal justice reform.

00:16:38.000 So they have a big meeting today, criminal justice reform.

00:16:41.000 They're going to talk about changing prison sentences and rehabilitation plans.

00:16:45.000 This is something that a lot of libertarians are in favor of.

00:16:47.000 And there are also a lot of members of sort of the Black Lives Matter community who are in favor of it.

00:16:51.000 I'm torn on criminal justice reform.

00:16:52.000 I think that marijuana, for example, should be decriminalized.

00:16:55.000 But I'm not in favor of lowering sentences and releasing prisoners back into society more easily.

00:16:59.000 I'm very much of the opinion.

00:17:01.000 That it was stronger prison sentences in the first place that led to the massive decline in crime that happened between 1994 and 2015.

00:17:06.000 I think that releasing people back onto the streets is a bad idea.

00:17:09.000 We've done it here in California, and it's been a giant fail.

00:17:12.000 In California, what you've seen instead is a massive uptick in crime based on the release of criminals back into the general society.

00:17:18.000 So, it depends what criminal justice reform looks like.

00:17:21.000 In any case, there are a lot of people who think that the criminal justice system ought to be reformed, and the White House is among those people.

00:17:28.000 So, this guy Meek Mill was supposed to visit the White House to take part in a panel that was to include, I guess, Vice President Mike Pence, and Jared Kushner, and Van Jones, who is obviously very much to the left.

00:17:40.000 They're bringing people who are right and left, black and white, to talk about these issues, which is what they should do if they're going to discuss these issues.

00:17:46.000 Well, Meek Mill was supposed to go, and then he bailed.

00:17:48.000 He bailed because, according to TMZ, Jay-Z called him up and convinced him otherwise.

00:17:52.000 So according to Bossip.com, I never heard of them, they said that reports were released that Meek agreed to travel to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to discuss prison reform because Trump is currently hosting a prison reform summit.

00:18:03.000 Participants in attendance are said to include members of Congress, various activists, and people who have become victims of the system.

00:18:07.000 But it looks like Meek isn't going to make it to the event, and that's all due to words of wisdom from Hove.

00:18:12.000 I guess Hob is Jay-Z?

00:18:13.000 Is that?

00:18:14.000 Okay.

00:18:14.000 Hmm.

00:18:15.000 Okay, TMZ reports that Jay-Z called the Philadelphia native on Thursday night and made his stance clear.

00:18:19.000 Meeting with Trump would be nothing but problematic for both his image and the cause he's fighting for.

00:18:24.000 Apparently, other high-profile celebs and friends also called Meek and voiced serious concerns about his attendance.

00:18:28.000 Meek listened to the advice from his peers and decided not to attend after all.

00:18:32.000 Okay, so here's the problem.

00:18:34.000 For eight years, everybody in the Black Lives Matter movement was suggesting the law enforcement system is biased and that criminal justice reform had to be pursued.

00:18:43.000 And now, Donald Trump's going to do that.

00:18:45.000 And you're not going to go meet with him?

00:18:47.000 Because to meet with him would undermine the cause?

00:18:48.000 How is it undermining the cause?

00:18:50.000 No Democratic

00:18:51.000 House of Representatives.

00:18:53.000 Let's say the Democrats win the election in 2018.

00:18:54.000 Let's say that they win back the House.

00:18:56.000 They probably won't win back the Senate.

00:18:58.000 You think criminal justice reform is going to get done when Nancy Pelosi is the head? 0.99

00:19:01.000 Not a shot.

00:19:02.000 Because she's going to put a bunch of deal killers in that bill. 1.00

00:19:05.000 It's not going to happen.

00:19:06.000 The only way criminal justice reform gets done with Trump as president is right now with a bunch of Republicans in the House and a bunch of Republicans in the Senate and President Trump in the White House.

00:19:13.000 If you want a deal, you need to talk to the guy who's capable of making the deal.

00:19:17.000 It is that simple.

00:19:18.000 But Jay-Z doesn't want the image of a bunch of black people meeting with Trump because it might make Trump seem not as racist to the press.

00:19:24.000 That's really what this is about.

00:19:26.000 So Meek gave a statement to TMZ.

00:19:28.000 He said, Well, no, the whole point here was that President Trump wanted to meet with leaders in the black community, left and right, so they could have a broad ranging discussion and hopefully come to some sort of consensus on the issue.

00:19:35.000 There's no way to come to consensus on the issue if you won't attend the meeting.

00:19:54.000 What do you expect Trump to do at that point?

00:19:57.000 Frankly, I'm confused by this, but this is why the entire Kanye West saga of the last few weeks actually matters.

00:20:03.000 Because when Kanye West said, listen, I'm not going to listen to you guys.

00:20:05.000 If I feel like meeting with Trump, I'll meet with Trump.

00:20:07.000 If I feel like wearing a MAGA hat, I'll wear a MAGA hat.

00:20:09.000 And everybody on the left went nuts.

00:20:11.000 And people inside the rap community went crazy.

00:20:14.000 And Kanye was tweeting out all of the various tweets he was receiving and texts he was receiving from people like John Legend.

00:20:19.000 And Kanye, to his credit, said, listen, I'll say what I want.

00:20:23.000 That's exactly what Milmeek should have said here.

00:20:24.000 What he should have said is, listen, this is too important an issue for me to let partisanship get in the way.

00:20:28.000 It's too important an issue for me to solve.

00:20:30.000 I don't like stuff that Trump has said.

00:20:31.000 So I'm not going to pretend that I think that Trump has been great on racial issues.

00:20:34.000 But if I can get a win here, why wouldn't I go and help my fellow black folks who apparently are very much ensconced in this fight for criminal justice reform?

00:20:42.000 Instead, Meek said, Now, when partisanship trumps even the best interests that you are apparently trying to pursue,

00:21:01.000 I would suggest that you have allowed your partisanship to blind you to the actual facts on the ground.

00:21:06.000 And that really is too bad.

00:21:09.000 Okay.

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00:22:35.000 Meanwhile, President Trump has a magic power.

00:22:38.000 His magic power is that he can get Democrats to defend anything.

00:22:42.000 To defend anyone.

00:22:43.000 This is his magic power.

00:22:44.000 All President Trump has to do is say, I like puppies.

00:22:47.000 And everyone on the left is like, puppies are horrible!

00:22:50.000 And if he says, I hate MS-13.

00:22:52.000 People on the left are like, MS-13?

00:22:55.000 Yeah, let's give them a second shot, MS-13. 0.55

00:22:58.000 Sure, their slogan's actually rape-steal-control, but let's give them a second shot. 1.00

00:23:02.000 I mean, Trump doesn't like them.

00:23:03.000 That means that they must be, like, kind of okay?

00:23:06.000 Kind of? 0.91

00:23:07.000 Right, so Trump, as you recall, said that members of MS-13 were animals.

00:23:11.000 Now, the truth is that I'm not a big fan of calling

00:23:14.000 Terrorists, animals, or monsters?

00:23:15.000 But not because I don't think they're animals or monsters, simply because human beings can be animals and monsters, but monsters aren't real, and treating people as animals neglects the fact that all human beings have a capacity for evil, but that's more of a deep gloss.

00:23:27.000 When Trump calls them animals, I don't have any moral objection to it.

00:23:29.000 It's not like I'm, oh, well, you know, that's really insulting to the MS-13 members who chopped that guy's head off.

00:23:34.000 I just feel terrible about that.

00:23:35.000 But people on the left apparently felt the necessity to go after President Trump for going after MS-13.

00:23:40.000 So Trump, as you recall, a couple of days ago, he said that MS-13 were animals.

00:23:43.000 Then he was asked about it again, and he doubled down on it.

00:23:46.000 But I'm referring, and you know I'm referring to the MS-13 gangs that are coming in.

00:23:51.000 And I was talking about the MS-13, and also, if you look a little bit further on in the tape, you'll see that.

00:23:57.000 So I'm actually surprised you're asking this question, because most people got it right.

00:24:00.000 So when the MS-13 comes in, when the other gang members come into our country, I refer to them as animals.

00:24:07.000 And guess what?

00:24:07.000 I always will.

00:24:09.000 But we're getting them out by the thousands.

00:24:11.000 Okay, so here's the magic of Donald Trump.

00:24:14.000 The left immediately starts to defend MS-13.

00:24:16.000 So here's Nancy Pelosi, dentures are moving, talking all about how MS-13, they're really, they're people.

00:24:23.000 MS-13 are people too.

00:24:24.000 Nancy Pelosi, whatever man. 0.98

00:24:27.000 And so when the president of the United States says about undocumented immigrants, these aren't people, these are animals.

00:24:37.000 You have to wonder, does he not believe?

00:24:40.000 And the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person.

00:24:44.000 Oh my God.

00:24:45.000 These are not people.

00:24:46.000 These are animals.

00:24:48.000 The President of the United States.

00:24:51.000 They literally cut the hearts out of living human beings.

00:24:54.000 And she's like, do they, the spark of divinity, do they not believe in the spark of divinity?

00:24:59.000 John Legend, by the way, did exactly the same thing.

00:25:01.000 I mean, it's, it's, it's incredible.

00:25:02.000 It's incredible.

00:25:03.000 So John Legend started tweeting out about all this.

00:25:06.000 And I want to find you the John Legend tweets because they are astonishing.

00:25:09.000 It's just amazing.

00:25:10.000 So here, so actually before I show you the John Legend tweet, I have to show you the Anna Navarro tweets.

00:25:16.000 So Anna Navarro, right on CNN, she tweets out that, well first she says that this was Nazi rhetoric.

00:25:22.000 It was Nazi rhetoric for the President of the United States to call MS-13 animals because Hitler also hated MS-13 or something.

00:25:27.000 So here's Anna Navarro saying this.

00:25:30.000 And it is a very slippery slope when you start dehumanizing people this way.

00:25:34.000 It's what the Nazis did. 0.93

00:25:36.000 It's what slave owners did. 1.00

00:25:37.000 It's not what Americans do. 0.98

00:25:40.000 What now?

00:25:40.000 OK, and then she tweeted out, I love this, she tweeted out that anyone who uses the word animals to describe another human being is just a terrible human being.

00:25:48.000 There is only one problem. 0.85

00:25:50.000 Ana Navarro tweeted out that Trump and his family were basically animals. 0.97

00:25:56.000 So there was that as well.

00:25:57.000 Do we have that tweet?

00:25:58.000 I think it might be 12.

00:25:59.000 I'm not sure which one it is.

00:26:00.000 In any case, John Legend did the same routine.

00:26:03.000 He tweeted this out.

00:26:04.000 He said, Even human beings who commit heinous acts are the same species as us, not animals.

00:26:09.000 Sorry, here's one from Anna Navarro.

00:26:11.000 She tweeted out, this is a direct quote, Trump is in very bad company. 0.99

00:26:14.000 Nazis referred to Jews as rats. 0.99

00:26:15.000 Slave owners viewed slaves as subhuman animals. 0.99

00:26:19.000 Okay, that was from yesterday.

00:26:21.000 In October of 2016, here's what she tweeted out.

00:26:24.000 Should Donald Trump drop out of the race?

00:26:25.000 Yes, he should drop out of the human race. 1.00

00:26:27.000 He is an animal. 0.52

00:26:28.000 Apologies to animals.

00:26:32.000 Slow clap Anna Navarro.

00:26:34.000 I mean, just my goodness.

00:26:35.000 Donald Trump's magic powers.

00:26:37.000 It's magic.

00:26:38.000 It's like the Shia LaBeouf gif.

00:26:40.000 It's magic.

00:26:41.000 Incredible.

00:26:41.000 So John Legend tweeted this out.

00:26:44.000 Even human beings who commit heinous acts are the same species as us, not animals.

00:26:48.000 I'm in the hospital with our new son.

00:26:49.000 Any of these babies here could end up committing terrible crimes in the future. 0.98

00:26:53.000 It's easy, once they've done so, to distance ourselves from their humanity.

00:26:56.000 But it's much more honest and challenging to realize that they were all babies once, and to think about what in society their home life, etc., took for them from baby to violent gang member, and then to think about collective action we could take to mitigate those conditions.

00:27:06.000 And we should particularly interrogate the role of American policy in helping to make MS-13 the organization it is now.

00:27:12.000 Dehumanizing large groups of people is the demagogue's precursor to visiting violence and pain upon them.

00:27:16.000 It makes it easier to destroy their families, and much worse.

00:27:19.000 Hey, first of all, I'm happy to deliver violence and pain on MS-13.

00:27:21.000 I think most law-abiding people are very happy to deliver violence and pain on the members of MS-13, one of the worst gangs in modern, on planet Earth today.

00:27:31.000 Okay, so there's that.

00:27:33.000 I also love the idea that he goes from, they're not animals in MS-13.

00:27:37.000 Okay, not animals.

00:27:38.000 These were all babies once.

00:27:39.000 They're not animals.

00:27:40.000 They're your fault.

00:27:42.000 What now?

00:27:43.000 What'd I do?

00:27:44.000 It's our fault.

00:27:45.000 We created MSN.

00:27:46.000 What'd I do to create Mara Salvatrucha?

00:27:48.000 What did I do?

00:27:49.000 Was that my fault?

00:27:50.000 John Legend does not explain, but John Legend's last name is Legend, and this means he knows what he is talking about.

00:27:55.000 I do love the fact that, this is my favorite thing, is that he says, you know, when he looks at babies in the incubators over at the hospital, when he looks at the babies who are sleeping, right after, he says, some of those kids could turn out to be gang members, and that's why we should treat gang members with respect.

00:28:13.000 How about this?

00:28:13.000 How about you rewind all those babies, like,

00:28:15.000 Four hours.

00:28:17.000 Like four hours.

00:28:17.000 Where were they then?

00:28:18.000 When those babies, before those babies were in the nice little plastic things at the hospital and they were all sitting there in cute little rows.

00:28:25.000 Where were they before that?

00:28:26.000 Like four hours ago?

00:28:27.000 Five hours ago?

00:28:28.000 That's right, they were in the womb.

00:28:29.000 The party that you support thought that those babies were not worth living five hours ago.

00:28:33.000 So let me get this right.

00:28:36.000 Five minutes before the baby's born, not a baby, and not worth preserving, and not a human, an animal, a ball of cells, a fetus, whatever, that's the Democratic Party platform.

00:28:45.000 Five minutes before they are born, completely worthless, now human babies.

00:28:50.000 Beautiful, wonderful.

00:28:51.000 Fast forward 30 years, MS-13 members, but those MS-13 members were once babies, and so we have to protect the MS-13 members.

00:28:58.000 So here's what we have learned from the Democrats this week.

00:29:00.000 Hamas, innocent, MS-13, used to be babies, 0.99

00:29:04.000 NRA members are terrorists, as Debbie Wasserman Schultz said this week, and babies in the womb?

00:29:09.000 Not worth protecting.

00:29:10.000 So the separation between the baby in the womb and the baby five hours later is apparently a greater separation than the separation between the baby now and the MS-13 member 30 years later.

00:29:24.000 Okay, like, Trump's magic power is very powerful.

00:29:27.000 It is very, very powerful. 1.00

00:29:28.000 Like, to get people to say things this stupid, you have to—that's what it has to be. 0.99

00:29:32.000 He must have some—he must be like King Saul. 0.99

00:29:35.000 He must go visit, like, the witches of Endor, and he just goes out there and visits with the witches, and then they tell him what to do.

00:29:40.000 I don't know what power Trump has.

00:29:42.000 I don't know whether he goes out back and sacrifices goats. 0.98

00:29:44.000 Whatever it is, he has somehow trolled the left into being completely insane. 0.88

00:29:48.000 Completely insane, because I don't know how in the world you can get a rational person to say these kinds of things.

00:29:53.000 It is absolutely beyond me.

00:29:56.000 The ability of Donald Trump to troll, by the way, is so incredibly strong that he even was able to get Democrats to be very, very angry over this little joke video that he put up over Laurel and Yanni.

00:30:08.000 I'm sure you saw this whole Laurel and Yanni thing where there's this piece of audio

00:30:14.000 So clearly Laurel.

00:30:15.000 It's Laurel.

00:30:15.000 Definitely Laurel.

00:30:16.000 It's Laurel.

00:30:44.000 But I could deflect and divert to Yanny if you need me to. 0.81

00:30:47.000 Sarah, it's been reported that you hear Laurel.

00:30:50.000 How do you respond?

00:30:51.000 Clearly you're getting your information from CNN because that's fake news.

00:30:55.000 All I hear is Yanny.

00:30:56.000 Oh man, that's Laurel.

00:30:59.000 Laurel.

00:30:59.000 It's Laurel, America.

00:31:01.000 Definitely hashtag Laurel.

00:31:04.000 Yanny. 0.77

00:31:04.000 Who's Yanny? 0.77

00:31:06.000 I hear Covfefe.

00:31:08.000 Okay, so that's funny stuff.

00:31:10.000 Look at the comments underneath this video from President Trump on Twitter, and it's all like, why aren't you going out there and saving babies, President Trump?

00:31:16.000 Why do you hate children, President Trump?

00:31:18.000 How could you possibly be spending the seven minutes it took to put together this video, President Trump, not focusing on the real issues in the world, like global war?

00:31:26.000 Guys, 0.96

00:31:28.000 He's made you guys crazy.

00:31:29.000 I'm sorry.

00:31:29.000 He's made you utterly insane, because you're now defending MS- What are you doing?

00:31:34.000 Continue doing it, by all means. 0.52

00:31:36.000 By all means, if you're a Democrat and you're listening to the sound of my voice, continue being this.

00:31:40.000 Continue being these people, because all it's doing is helping Republicans get elected.

00:31:43.000 There's a reason Republicans are going to retain the Senate and gain seats in the Senate.

00:31:46.000 It's right now about a 50-50 shot Republicans retain the House. 0.77

00:31:48.000 If you had told me this five months ago, I would have thought you were nuts, given the generic ballot.

00:31:52.000 But I guess that

00:31:54.000 If Trump's magic power is put to good use, then this is where you end up.

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00:33:12.000 Let's just jump right into the mailbag because there are a lot of good questions.

00:33:14.000 All right, so, Carl says, Hey Ben, can you recommend a good book or two, not too lengthy, that serves as a good primer for the history of Israel up until at least the 2006 election in Gaza?

00:33:23.000 I feel like my historical knowledge here is lacking.

00:33:24.000 Thanks, Carl.

00:33:25.000 So the one that I always recommend is there's a great book by a guy named Mitchell Bard called Myths and Facts About Israel, and it's about 400 pages, but it's really user-friendly because it's not, you know, you trying to swallow enormous sums of information at a time.

00:33:38.000 Instead, it's broken down by topic.

00:33:40.000 So it gives you a myth, and then it gives you a fact about Israel, and it's really, really useful.

00:33:44.000 So, sure.

00:33:44.000 Yes.

00:33:53.000 Yes.

00:33:53.000 And I think when I was younger, it certainly clouded my objectivity on issues with regard to this particular issue especially.

00:34:00.000 And that's why there are things that I've said about this issue that I regret, obviously.

00:34:04.000 I mean, there's a column I wrote in 2002, I believe, when I was 19, 18 years old, about transferring people from

00:34:12.000 From Judea and Samaria on the Gaza Strip and Israel internally, outside of Israel, and then later I came out and I said I thought that column was immoral and wrong and I shouldn't have written it.

00:34:19.000 I think that objectivity, look, there's no question that confirmation bias and feelings can cloud your objectivity.

00:34:25.000 That said, this works both ways.

00:34:27.000 And this week was not evidence of my objectivity being clouded, it was evidence of the media's objectivity being clouded because it is pretty obvious what was going on.

00:34:34.000 Hamas was announcing it.

00:34:35.000 I was just thinking of Hamas at their word. 0.98

00:34:37.000 Folks in the media had decided that they were not going to take Hamas at their word.

00:34:41.000 As I said yesterday, it was like watching that scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where the Black Knight is standing there and King Arthur is swiping off his limbs.

00:34:49.000 And he's going, merely a flesh wound.

00:34:51.000 Well, that was the narrative.

00:34:52.000 The media had this narrative.

00:34:53.000 There were innocent people on the Gaza-Hamas border.

00:34:56.000 It was a bunch of people who had nothing to do with Hamas.

00:34:59.000 It was Israel indiscriminately shooting.

00:35:01.000 And then Hamas comes out.

00:35:02.000 And like King Arthur, they're swiping off parts of the narrative.

00:35:04.000 No, it was a bunch of terrorists.

00:35:06.000 And we decided to do that on purpose.

00:35:07.000 And we hide them behind children.

00:35:09.000 And 50 of the 62 people who died were Hamas members, and another three were Islamic Jihad members.

00:35:13.000 And the media's like, nope, don't believe you.

00:35:15.000 Sorry, don't believe you.

00:35:16.000 So, who's more biased here?

00:35:18.000 Me for believing Hamas, or the media for ignoring both the Israelis and Hamas, and coming up with their own narrative that makes no sense and has nothing to do with the facts on the ground?

00:35:25.000 Okay, Carl says, uh, let's see, I did Carl.

00:35:27.000 Stephen says, hey Ben, huge fan, when do you think the Mueller investigation will end?

00:35:31.000 Also, it was great seeing your speech at Clemson back in 2016.

00:35:33.000 Well, thank you for coming to the speech at Clemson.

00:35:35.000 That was really fun.

00:35:36.000 As far as when the Mueller investigation is going to end, who the hell knows?

00:35:40.000 I mean, these investigations go on for years at a time.

00:35:42.000 The Whitewater investigation, which eventually ended with the Lewinsky stuff, believe it or not.

00:35:47.000 The Whitewater investigation was six years long.

00:35:49.000 It started in 1994, went all the way to 2000, I believe.

00:35:52.000 I'm a student at SUNY Purchase.

00:36:06.000 Well, thanks, Andrew.

00:36:06.000 I appreciate it.

00:36:07.000 The way you should get speakers at your school is to ignore what the administration says, to put in an application the same way as everybody else, and then if they reject it on the grounds of ideological bias, then you come to Yale

00:36:34.000 Here's my view on debating.

00:36:35.000 It depends on your audience.

00:36:36.000 So, there are people who you're talking with.

00:37:04.000 And you're having a normal discussion, normal conversation.

00:37:07.000 And it's not really a debate.

00:37:08.000 It's more of just a conversation.

00:37:09.000 Sometimes that's useful.

00:37:10.000 Sometimes you learn something from them, they learn something from you, you have a good interchange of ideas.

00:37:15.000 Sometimes you're doing it in front of an audience.

00:37:17.000 And in that case it depends on what you want the audience to learn.

00:37:19.000 So Sam Harris and I had a really nice kind of discussion slash debate on religion and free will and all this sort of stuff on his show.

00:37:26.000 He was kind enough to have me on his show.

00:37:27.000 We're going to have him on the Sunday special as well.

00:37:29.000 We did it up in San Francisco.

00:37:30.000 It was really cordial.

00:37:31.000 It was really nice because that's how Sam is when he's dealing with people who disagree.

00:37:34.000 He's cordial and he's nice.

00:37:36.000 Now, you'll see in the Thug Life videos, there are times when people are not quite so cordial and not quite so nice.

00:37:40.000 And then my obligation in debate is to destroy them in front of as many people as possible, really to destroy their arguments in front of as many human beings as possible, and to do so in as brutal a fashion as is necessary.

00:37:50.000 So you have to kind of gauge what the purpose of a given conversation is in debate.

00:37:54.000 Crystal says, Ben, do you ever wear yarmulkes in other colors besides black?

00:37:57.000 Are there holidays that call for specific colors?

00:37:59.000 So there's nothing religiously.

00:38:00.000 That's right.

00:38:17.000 Maybe the last time I wore a white kippah.

00:38:37.000 Believe it or not, in the Orthodox community, you can tell somebody's philosophy by the kind of kippah they wear.

00:38:41.000 So if you're a velvet kippah, this tends to mean that you are more black hat. 0.99

00:38:44.000 And being black hat, wearing a black hat, another physical indicator, is an indicator that you are less ensconced with sort of the modern world and more ensconced with a more strict interpretation of Torah.

00:38:56.000 I think that would be fair to say.

00:38:59.000 Black hat is considered sort of more Orthodox.

00:39:00.000 I'm modern Orthodox.

00:39:01.000 I go to a black hat minion, which means I interact with people who are black hat all the time. 0.98

00:39:06.000 People divide themselves in a bunch of ways depending on the kind of kippah that they wear.

00:39:10.000 In Israel, if you're kippah sruga, right, which is a knitted kippah, that means that you probably served in the military and you're in favor of people serving in the military.

00:39:16.000 If you are a velvet kippah, then the chances are that you're probably less in favor of people serving in the military, although even there, there are some soft boundaries. 0.99

00:39:24.000 So I know you didn't want that level of specificity.

00:39:26.000 You got it anyway.

00:39:27.000 Jordan says,

00:39:28.000 Well, Jordan, I'm glad that you bought a ticket.

00:39:35.000 I look forward to seeing you there, too, as well.

00:39:36.000 And everybody should buy a ticket.

00:39:37.000 It's going to be a blast.

00:39:38.000 My opinion on the Supreme Court decision is that states, of course, should be able to decide whatever they want on sports betting.

00:39:44.000 I don't know what the hell the federal government has to do with sports betting.

00:39:47.000 I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with sports betting.

00:39:49.000 I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with sports.

00:39:51.000 I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with nearly anything.

00:39:54.000 So I'm wondering where in the Constitution it says that, where in Article 1 of the Constitution it says the legislature gets to determine the levels of betting federally within states.

00:40:02.000 It makes no sense at all.

00:40:04.000 So that is the correct decision, indeed.

00:40:06.000 And as far as the argument that is then made, well then, did Pete Rose do something wrong?

00:40:09.000 Yes, he did.

00:40:10.000 He was a coach at the time.

00:40:11.000 It's not the same thing.

00:40:12.000 OK, if I bet on sports, it's not the same thing as if I'm playing in the game and betting on myself or betting on somebody else.

00:40:19.000 Well, the big pro, the big con right now is that Puerto Rico has significant levels of debt that would have to be apparently assumed by the federal government if Puerto Rico were to be made into a state.

00:40:33.000 I'm not averse to making Puerto Rico a state.

00:40:35.000 I think there's been a lot of discussion and Marco Rubio, I think, is in favor of making Puerto Rico a state.

00:40:41.000 It's always sort of a political football because there are a lot of people who think that if you make Puerto Rico a state and people can suddenly, their votes count in presidential elections, that this changes the nature of politics in the United States.

00:40:51.000 I don't see a huge obstacle to making Puerto Rico

00:40:54.000 A state other than the problem of they've been running not as a state for a very long time, which means they've run up a significant amount of debt and they've been pretty poorly governed.

00:41:01.000 Joseph says, Hey Ben, our son just made the cutoff to enter kindergarten next year.

00:41:05.000 My wife is dead set on holding him back.

00:41:06.000 She's fearful we'll be putting him at a disadvantage down the line due to this being the trend in New Jersey.

00:41:10.000 Assuming he's ready, do you think it could be more damaging to send him as the youngest kid in the grade or to hold him back, which could lead him not having to work as hard down the line?

00:41:16.000 Thanks and love the show, Joe.

00:41:18.000 So Joe, you know,

00:41:20.000 I have a sort of weird story on this.

00:41:22.000 So when I was a kid, I was the oldest kid in my class.

00:41:25.000 My parents sort of held me back.

00:41:26.000 I was born in January.

00:41:27.000 My birthday is January 15th.

00:41:29.000 Send me flowers.

00:41:29.000 So my birthday was January.

00:41:31.000 That meant that I was the oldest kid in my class when I started.

00:41:34.000 I skipped third.

00:41:35.000 I skipped ninth.

00:41:36.000 So I skipped a couple of grades.

00:41:37.000 So by the time I was done, I was definitely the youngest kid in my class by a fair bit.

00:41:41.000 I think that people seek their own level.

00:41:43.000 I don't think that whether you enter fifth grade as a very old five-year-old or enter fifth grade as a very young five-year-old is going to make any significant difference in the realm of life.

00:41:53.000 And if your son's a high achiever, his aging can make the difference.

00:41:56.000 So I don't think it makes a huge difference.

00:41:58.000 I would tend toward the idea of putting your kid in school early if it means they're more challenged.

00:42:07.000 I think challenging kids is good.

00:42:09.000 And I think that a lot of the fears about, oh, they're gonna be the youngest kid in the class and be bullied.

00:42:12.000 At five, that's not really a concern.

00:42:14.000 At ten, that's a concern.

00:42:15.000 Ten-year-old kids are just...

00:42:16.000 I have no answer to this.

00:42:17.000 Listen to the show.

00:42:18.000 That's literally my answer.

00:42:19.000 That is the broadest question I have ever heard in my entire life.

00:42:41.000 No answer.

00:42:42.000 Gerald says, Hey, Ben, why didn't previous presidents keep their promise and move the U.S.

00:42:45.000 embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem?

00:42:47.000 So the reason they didn't move the U.S.

00:42:48.000 embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is they were ensconced in a foreign policy establishment that lied to them and that told them that if they did so, it would create a conflict, ration in the Middle East.

00:42:56.000 Massive wars would break out.

00:42:58.000 Everyone was going to die.

00:43:00.000 OK, that wasn't true.

00:43:02.000 The basis for that was that there was an intifada, meaning an uprising, a violent terrorist uprising in 2001, when Ariel Sharon, who was almost prime minister of Israel, who was elected very shortly thereafter, went up on the Temple Mount, essentially 2000, went up on the Temple Mount, and there was a riot that turned into a quasi-war in the Middle East.

00:43:22.000 And so the idea was if we moved the embassy, then we'd be creating all sorts of chaos.

00:43:25.000 To be fair to those other presidents, the situation on the ground is not quite the same as the situation is now.

00:43:30.000 Thanks to President Obama making nice with Iran, that has pushed all of these other countries into a position where they have to ally with Israel in order to counter Iran. 0.82

00:43:37.000 So is it possible that if the embassy had been moved 20 years ago, there would have been actual activity on the Arab street?

00:43:42.000 Sure.

00:43:43.000 Is it also possible that nothing would have happened?

00:43:45.000 Sure.

00:43:46.000 But bottom line is, I think it should have been done for moral reasons regardless, because failing to recognize truth, I think, is generally a large mistake.

00:43:52.000 Noah says, Hey Ben, I'm a huge fan of yours.

00:43:54.000 I may disagree with you on some things, but I appreciate how intellectually honest your approach is.

00:43:58.000 I also take your opinion on family values to heart.

00:43:59.000 With that being said, that has been troubling me.

00:44:03.000 Being troubling me, I'd love to hear your thoughts on.

00:44:04.000 I used to be an atheist.

00:44:05.000 Now I'm more of an agnostic deist, but my values fall strongly in line with Jewish Christian teachings.

00:44:09.000 This makes dating difficult since most people who are non-Christian tend to have liberal values. 1.00

00:44:13.000 So naturally I am interested in dating a Christian, but few Christians want to be unevenly yoked with a non-Christian. 0.99

00:44:18.000 Well, first of all, I think there are a lot of people who are like you, Noah.

00:44:20.000 I think there are a fair number of people

00:44:35.000 Listen to me, listen to Jordan Peterson, listen to people who believe in the value of the Judeo-Christian heritage, but aren't necessarily totally on board with the miraculous events surrounding Jesus or the miraculous events surrounding Sinai, for example.

00:44:48.000 That said, I think the big question when it comes to your religious beliefs is how are you going to raise your kids?

00:44:54.000 How are you going to raise your kids?

00:44:55.000 It is very difficult to raise your kids outside of a religious system.

00:44:58.000 Religious systems work.

00:44:59.000 They allow your kid to believe in something that is more important and something higher, and allow your child to identify a narrative that makes that story true.

00:45:09.000 This is why, if you were dating a Christian and you said, 0.61

00:45:11.000 I have my personal struggles with believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, for example.

00:45:15.000 But, when it comes to our children, I want our kids to learn about the divinity of Jesus Christ because I believe that that divinity is important to understanding the development of the Western world and a set of Judeo-Christian values.

00:45:25.000 And then, when they become an adult, they can make a decision about what they actually want to believe.

00:45:29.000 I think there are a lot of Christians who might be interested in talking about that.

00:45:33.000 You never know.

00:45:34.000 You may start going to church and you may start to believe in the miraculous.

00:45:36.000 You may start to believe that it is possible that God actually, whether it's Sinai or whether through Jesus, brought a certain system of morality to the world through interaction with the world.

00:45:46.000 You never know how your beliefs are going to change.

00:45:47.000 But being honest and open about the person you're dating, about where you stand, I think is key number one.

00:45:51.000 Key number two is recognizing how you're going to raise your kids.

00:45:53.000 Because when I say the values matter, it doesn't just matter between you and your wife.

00:45:56.000 It matters between how you and your wife are going to deal with your child.

00:45:59.000 And bottom line is,

00:46:02.000 If you're trying to date people who are not comfortable with you, it's not going to be a comfortable dating or marriage experience anyway.

00:46:06.000 But I do think that there are people out there who believe what you believe and are going to respect that perspective.

00:46:11.000 OK, so should we do things I like and things I hate?

00:46:14.000 I think that we don't even have any things I like or things I hate today.

00:46:17.000 You know what?

00:46:17.000 Everything's fine.

00:46:17.000 Everything's OK.

00:46:18.000 We're just going to go into the weekend, enjoy ourselves.

00:46:22.000 We will be back here on Monday.

00:46:23.000 We'll have all the latest for you then.

00:46:24.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 18, 2018

Is It Mueller Time? | Ep. 542

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