The Ben Shapiro Show - Is There An Epstein Conspiracy? | Ep. 837

00:00:00.000 Jeffrey Epstein commits suicide within days of being taken off suicide watch.

00:00:04.000 Conspiracy theorists, including the president, jump on board.

00:00:07.000 And Democrats launch some conspiracies of their own.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:01:49.000 Okay, so obviously, The big news on this Monday morning is the death of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:56.000 Jeffrey Epstein, of course, the convicted pedophile who was recently rearrested on federal charges of sex trafficking.

00:02:03.000 There's a lot of worry in the nation's highest corridors of power about what exactly Jeffrey Epstein might say.

00:02:09.000 In fact, just on Friday, there was a federal court that unsealed documents from a lawsuit by one of Jeffrey Epstein's accuser against his mysterious girlfriend and alleged procurer, Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:02:21.000 So the accuser, her name is Virginia Giuffre, accused Maxwell of procuring young girls for sexual abuse by Epstein and his powerful friends, according to the Daily Beast.

00:02:29.000 Some of the major revelations include, in 2016, Giuffre said that Maxwell specifically instructed her to serve former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, who at one point was a front-running Democratic presidential candidate, Britain's Prince Andrew, wealthy financier Glenn Jubin, Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, modeling scout Jean-Luc Brunel, and scientist Marvin Minsky.

00:02:52.000 Giuffre also said that Maxwell and Epstein directed her to have sex with another prince, a foreign president, a well-known prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain.

00:03:01.000 None of the men named have been charged with a crime, and all have denied inappropriate behavior.

00:03:07.000 Apparently, there are also accusations, according to another one of the women who dealt with Epstein, that Epstein was basically sexually voracious and thus preyed on girls at an insane rate.

00:03:18.000 Juan Alessi, Epstein's former house manager, testified he saw probably over 100 girls serve Epstein at his Palm Beach home over 10 years.

00:03:26.000 After each encounter, Alessi said he would clean up the home's upstairs massage room.

00:03:30.000 On multiple occasions, he said he found sex toys and put them in Maxwell's closet because he knew that's where they kept such items, along with a shiny black costume. 0.93

00:03:39.000 This is all really disgusting, obviously.

00:03:42.000 And these revelations came as of Friday.

00:03:46.000 So there's a lot of talk about whose name was going to drop next.

00:03:49.000 What were the next steps in the Epstein trial?

00:03:51.000 Well, within 24 hours of all of that dropping, Jeffrey Epstein allegedly committed suicide and apparently committed suicide.

00:03:59.000 He was just 11 days removed from being on suicide watch.

00:04:01.000 According to CBS News, Epstein, who is facing federal sex trafficking charges, died Saturday from an apparent suicide, federal officials said.

00:04:09.000 The Federal Bureau of Prisons said in a statement the FBI was investigating his death.

00:04:14.000 Epstein, who is 66, was found unresponsive in his cell at a holding facility in New York City at around 6.30 a.m., according to the statement.

00:04:21.000 Staff at the Metropolitan Correctional Center tried to revive him.

00:04:24.000 He was eventually taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead.

00:04:28.000 The New York City Medical Examiner's Office was also investigating Epstein's cause of death, a spokesperson told CBS News, and will conduct an autopsy and toxicology test to determine the cause.

00:04:37.000 There's a statement put out by the Medical Examiner's Office saying they were still going to determine cause of death.

00:04:42.000 That doesn't mean they suspect homicide.

00:04:44.000 It means they still have to finally determine cause of death, although they think they know what happened here.

00:04:49.000 Federal prosecutors in New York alleged Epstein abused dozens of underage girls as young as 14.

00:04:53.000 Epstein was found injured on the floor of his cell in late July.

00:04:57.000 At the time, law enforcement sources told CBS News that Epstein was found semi-conscious with slight bruising around his neck.

00:05:03.000 So apparently he tried to hang himself at that juncture and he was put on suicide watch.

00:05:08.000 So there's all sorts of weird stuff surrounding this particular suicide, and it's leading a lot of people toward conspiracy theories.

00:05:17.000 The chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson, released a statement on Sunday saying that her office had conducted an autopsy on Epstein, but that the medical examiner's determination is pending further information at this time.

00:05:27.000 She said this is routine.

00:05:31.000 She said, A lot of Epstein's victims are upset because they felt like this was their chance at justice.

00:05:45.000 Attorney General William Barr says the investigation will continue.

00:05:48.000 There are associates and co-conspirators with Epstein who will, in fact, be on the hook for whatever crimes they committed.

00:05:55.000 So this thing does not end with Epstein being dead.

00:05:58.000 This sex trafficking case was very important to the Department of Justice and to me personally.

00:06:07.000 But let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein.

00:06:16.000 Any co-conspirators should not rest easy.

00:06:20.000 The victims deserve justice and they will get it.

00:06:24.000 So, the conspiracy chatter picked up almost immediately.

00:06:27.000 You had dueling hashtags on Twitter that were trending.

00:06:30.000 One was Trump body count and the other was Clinton body count.

00:06:33.000 There was accusations by the right that Clinton body count wasn't trending because Twitter is biased to the left.

00:06:39.000 Certainly Twitter is biased to the left.

00:06:40.000 I don't know why that wasn't trending.

00:06:42.000 The fact is, this was neither Trump nor Clinton by all available evidence.

00:06:46.000 But you saw that implication put forward by a variety of sources.

00:06:48.000 MSNBC's Joy Reid actually suggested that Attorney General William Barr might be covering up Epstein's death at Trump's behest because Trump, of course, is friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:06:58.000 The investigation of Epstein's death now falls into the hands of William Barr, Donald Trump's consigliere and Attorney General, who refused to recuse himself on the Epstein case despite his association with a law firm once involved with Epstein, whose father once hired Jeffrey Epstein as a teacher with neither experience nor degree, and whose prime directive is to protect Donald Trump.

00:07:25.000 No matter what.

00:07:26.000 OK, so there she is putting out her own conspiracy theory. 0.98

00:07:28.000 Then President Trump, in his own inimitable fashion, decided, you know what would be a great idea?

00:07:32.000 I'm going to retweet whatever I feel like.

00:07:33.000 And I feel like retweeting a wild conspiracy theory.

00:07:36.000 So he retweeted a tweet from a guy named Terrence Williams on Twitter.

00:07:41.000 And the tweet says, died of suicide on 24-7 suicide watch.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, right.

00:07:46.000 How does that happen?

00:07:47.000 Hashtag Jeffrey Epstein had information on Bill Clinton, and now he's dead.

00:07:52.000 I see Trump body count trending, but we know who did this.

00:07:54.000 Retweet if you're not surprised.

00:07:56.000 Hashtag Epstein suicide.

00:07:57.000 Hashtag Clinton body count.

00:07:59.000 Hashtag Clinton crime family.

00:08:00.000 And then he released a little video discussing why he thought that the Clintons had murdered Jeffrey Epstein.

00:08:05.000 Now, this has been a long-standing meme on the right, is that the Clintons routinely murder their political opponents. 0.66

00:08:09.000 Not a lot of evidence to suggest that that is true, despite widespread speculation about characters including Vince Foster, for example.

00:08:17.000 President Trump tweeted that out and that was awkward.

00:08:21.000 Here's a little bit of that Terrence Williams video in which he talks about all of this.

00:08:26.000 Shaking my head.

00:08:27.000 I'm not surprised.

00:08:28.000 I told y'all last month this was going to happen, but didn't nobody want to listen to me.

00:08:33.000 But then guess what?

00:08:34.000 Next month he dead, and you know what?

00:08:37.000 All the liberals were calling me a conspiracy theorist, saying, Terrence, you coming up with crazy conspiracies, and you need to be banned from Twitter.

00:08:45.000 And then guess what?

00:08:46.000 The man really ended up dead, and you know what?

00:08:49.000 He had information on the Clintons, and the man ended Okay, that's enough of that.

00:08:53.000 So Trump actually retweeted that.

00:08:55.000 Trump actually retweeted that.

00:08:57.000 Now, number one, this wasn't the Clintons, okay?

00:08:59.000 As we will see, this is wild incompetence by jail officers, which, frankly, is not all that uncommon.

00:09:05.000 I mean, it is an unfortunate truth of life that human beings are wildly incompetent generally, and it's also another unfortunate truth that treatment in American prisons It depends on the prison, but many prisons are horribly run.

00:09:16.000 The guards don't do their jobs to the apex of their abilities.

00:09:20.000 They feel like they're dealing with criminals, and therefore they sort of slack off a bit.

00:09:23.000 That's not an indictment of all prison officers by any measure.

00:09:25.000 A lot of prison officers, probably the vast majority of prison officers, do their job with honor and diligence, but there are going to be some who do not, obviously.

00:09:33.000 And this one falls under Hanlon's razor. 1.00

00:09:35.000 Never attribute to malevolence that which you can attribute to human stupidity. 0.99

00:09:39.000 And while this all looks very suspicious, because obviously Epstein was the most watched federal prisoner in America, Still, I am much more inclined to chalk this up to prison guards didn't do their job, then Bill and Hillary Clinton sneaked somebody into Jeffrey Epstein's cell to kill him in his cell. 0.99

00:09:58.000 I mean, the lady couldn't even find Wisconsin on a map. 1.00

00:10:01.000 I don't think that this has to do with Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton deciding that it's time for Jeffrey Epstein to be offed.

00:10:07.000 Why wouldn't they off him before he was arrested?

00:10:08.000 I mean, the whole thing doesn't make any sense.

00:10:11.000 And as it turns out, there's lots of evidence of incompetence here.

00:10:15.000 Apparently, according to the Associated Press, guards on Jeffrey Epstein's unit were working extreme overtime shifts to make up for staffing shortages the morning of his apparent suicide, a person familiar with the jail's operations told the Associated Press.

00:10:26.000 The person said that the Metropolitan Correctional Center's special housing unit was staffed with one guard working a fifth straight day of overtime and another who was working mandatory overtime.

00:10:35.000 The person wasn't authorized to discuss jail operations publicly, spoke Sunday on the condition of anonymity.

00:10:41.000 Epstein's abrupt death cut short a criminal prosecution that could have pulled back the curtain on the inner workings of a high-flying financier with connections to celebrities and presidents.

00:10:49.000 The jail staff failed to follow protocols leading up to Epstein's death, according to a report from the New York Times deepening the fallout from what led to his apparent suicide.

00:10:59.000 The New York Times reports That Epstein was supposed to have been checked by two guards in the protective housing unit every 30 minutes.

00:11:06.000 He was alone in a cell just 11 days after he'd been taken off suicide watch.

00:11:09.000 That was not supposed to happen.

00:11:10.000 He was supposed to have somebody else in the cell with him.

00:11:13.000 The procedure of him being checked every 30 minutes was not followed that night.

00:11:19.000 Because Epstein may have tried to commit suicide three weeks earlier, obviously, that other inmate was supposed to be in there, but the jail recently transferred his cellmate and allowed Epstein to be housed alone, a decision that also violated the jail's procedures.

00:11:31.000 Attorney General William Barr was fighting mad about that today as well.

00:11:33.000 He suggested that there could be prosecution on the table for negligence for some of the people who are associated with all of this.

00:11:42.000 In addition, according to the UK Daily Mail, every 15 minutes, guards are required to make another check on prisoners who are on suicide watch.

00:11:49.000 The decision to remove Epstein from suicide watch has both baffled former wardens and veterans of the federal prison system alike.

00:11:55.000 As Matt Walsh of Daily Wire pointed out, suicide watch is not supposed to be taken quite so literally.

00:12:00.000 You're not actually supposed to watch while the person commits suicide.

00:12:03.000 So, well done everybody involved.

00:12:05.000 Now, It's Trump's retweet that's getting all the attention today.

00:12:08.000 It is President Trump tweeting out a conspiracy theory that's getting all the attention.

00:12:12.000 We'll get to that in just one moment.

00:12:13.000 Also, I want to discuss why it is that generally people tend to buy conspiracy theories even though conspiracy theories rarely end up being true.

00:12:22.000 We'll get to that in just one moment.

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00:13:36.000 Okay, so number one.

00:13:37.000 Why do so many people buy into conspiracy theories like this?

00:13:40.000 There are really a couple of reasons.

00:13:42.000 One is that social media tends to amplify conspiracy theories these days.

00:13:46.000 It's very easy to hit retweet.

00:13:48.000 It's very easy for jokes to go viral and then people to take them seriously.

00:13:51.000 Social media tends to take pockets of fringe opinion.

00:13:55.000 And if there are many pockets out there of fringe opinion, it then sort of agglomerates them into one giant fringe opinion that starts to look more and more mainstream and less and less fringe.

00:14:03.000 This is what has happened in pretty much every area of American life with fringy opinion, ranging from white supremacism to conspiracy theorizing.

00:14:11.000 It used to be that you were the weirdo in your town, you were on your own.

00:14:13.000 Now you're the weirdo in your town, you can hang out with every weirdo online, and then you can form these kind of giant blocks of people who believe in crazy stuff.

00:14:21.000 Part of the rise of conspiracy theories also has to do with generalized distrust of the media.

00:14:25.000 As we'll get to, the media only seems skeptical of certain types of conspiracy theories.

00:14:30.000 Other types of conspiracy theories the media are totally on board with.

00:14:35.000 Most of this has to do with the human inability to accept widespread incompetence.

00:14:39.000 So as I say, it is very difficult to accept incompetence.

00:14:42.000 It's much easier to simply understand that or believe that people are nefarious, that people are in control.

00:14:49.000 One of the harder revelations in life as we become adults is recognizing that most people are just as incompetent as they were when they were seven years old and picking their boogers and eating them.

00:14:58.000 They're just adults now.

00:14:59.000 So, now they're incompetent and they get paid, and you hope that their incompetence isn't so off the charts that it actually harms somebody?

00:15:05.000 People get harmed more often than you think.

00:15:07.000 But going back to the media for a moment, the media were all over Trump for retweeting the conspiracy theory.

00:15:13.000 And that's fair.

00:15:14.000 I mean, it's wild that the President of the United States is retweeting conspiracy theories about his lead political opponents, the Clintons, in 2016, murdering somebody in federal custody.

00:15:24.000 I mean, I would say that I'm surprised, except that he accused Ted Cruz's father of murdering JFK.

00:15:28.000 So I think we've been here, right?

00:15:29.000 And this is the part where I remind everybody that it's all baked into the cake with President Trump.

00:15:34.000 This is the part where I remind everybody that there's nothing new here.

00:15:37.000 Okay, so for everyone who's expecting his approval rating to plummet, no, we had no expectations.

00:15:42.000 There were no expectations that Trump would not retweet something like this.

00:15:45.000 No.

00:15:45.000 Does that make it right?

00:15:46.000 It's still wrong.

00:15:47.000 It's still unpresidential. 0.98

00:15:48.000 It's still ridiculous. 0.96

00:15:49.000 And the president deserves all the scrutiny that he's getting. 0.94

00:15:51.000 Trump deserves every bit of scrutiny he's getting. 0.91

00:15:53.000 It's really gross. 0.99

00:15:54.000 It's disgusting. 0.83

00:15:55.000 It's morally reprehensible for the president to tweet without any evidence.

00:15:58.000 I mean, he is the president of the United States.

00:16:01.000 Tweet without evidence that somebody on the other side is responsible for a murder or may be responsible for a murder.

00:16:06.000 If Barack Obama had done it, then we would all be up in arms on the right.

00:16:10.000 Now, the reason that we're not quite as up in arms about Trump as we are about Obama isn't just because Trump is a Republican.

00:16:15.000 It's also because, as I've said before, Trump is not as serious a human being as Barack Obama is.

00:16:19.000 And anybody who says they take Trump as seriously as they take Obama is lying to you.

00:16:24.000 They're just people in your life.

00:16:25.000 You don't take all that seriously because they mailed off on a consistent basis.

00:16:28.000 Donald Trump is one of those people.

00:16:30.000 Barack Obama was much more planned.

00:16:31.000 So if Obama had dropped a line like this, you would have assumed it was part of a broader scheme.

00:16:35.000 If Trump does something like this, you just assume that his id took over for a moment, then he hit the retweet button and we're done.

00:16:41.000 Everybody has sort of baked that in.

00:16:43.000 With regard to Trump, nonetheless, Trump earning the disdain of the media for this is not unfitting.

00:16:48.000 Here is George Stephanopoulos over at ABC News suggesting that it is stunning for Trump to insinuate that Clinton was complicit in the Epstein suicide.

00:16:55.000 You mentioned conspiracy that the U.S.

00:16:57.000 Attorney is investigating.

00:16:58.000 Also a lot of conspiracy theories online.

00:17:00.000 One propagated by President Trump himself.

00:17:02.000 He retweeted a tweet that seemed to suggest that Bill Clinton was somehow complicit in the death of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:17:10.000 It shouldn't go without remarking.

00:17:13.000 Kind of stunning that a President of the United States is accusing his predecessor, one of his predecessors, of complicity in murder.

00:17:19.000 And the fact is, Tom Yamashita, you spent a lot of time looking at the Jeffrey Epstein case.

00:17:22.000 He had relationships both with Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

00:17:26.000 OK, so again, it's not wrong for the media to criticize President Trump for all of this.

00:17:31.000 Cory Booker then puts on his angry eyes and he says, this is dangerous.

00:17:35.000 It's dangerous.

00:17:36.000 Very angry.

00:17:37.000 I'm so angry.

00:17:39.000 Mr. Potato Head busting through that wall like the Kool-Aid man.

00:17:41.000 Here we go.

00:17:42.000 This is just more recklessness.

00:17:44.000 What he's doing is dangerous.

00:17:45.000 He's giving life to not just conspiracy theories, but really whipping people up into anger and worse against different people in this country.

00:17:56.000 And so this is a tired way that the president does.

00:17:59.000 He's been using the Clintons as a means for a lot of his false accusations.

00:18:06.000 But remember, this is a nation now where we've seen just horrific acts, whether it's someone walking into a pizza shop based upon these kind of conspiracy theories to take violent action.

00:18:18.000 Conspiracy theories are dangerous.

00:18:19.000 They are dangerous because, again, they suggest that there is somebody who is nefarious, behind the scenes, manipulating everything, and if you took that person out, then you would end the conspiracy.

00:18:28.000 It's all three days of the Condor, and there's somebody who's hiding behind that curtain at the end of the story, and if you just take out that person, then the entire conspiracy collapses like a house of cards.

00:18:36.000 That's the other thing about conspiracies, is that there seems to be an easy solution, which is you take out the person who's at the head of the conspiracy.

00:18:44.000 But one of the reasons that people are suspicious of the media, one of the reasons that conspiracy theories are running roughshod, particularly on the right these days, and I think it is more on the right than it is on the left, is because conspiracy theories on the left are actually mainstream.

00:18:57.000 So on the right, there are conspiracy theories, and they tend to be fringy, moving over into the mainstream as people react to the left.

00:19:04.000 On the left, stuff that is considered basically untouchable are conspiracy theories.

00:19:08.000 I mean, the left will say open things that are conspiratorial, They will put out there absolute conspiracy nonsense that is unsupported by evidence, and the left will simply accept it.

00:19:17.000 It's not counted as a conspiracy theory, in other words.

00:19:20.000 Now, we can all point to the Epstein suicide, and when somebody says, it was Trump or it was Clinton, we can say, that's silly, that's a conspiracy theory.

00:19:26.000 But the left will put out there stories that are obviously untrue and that are, in fact, conspiracy theories, and the press will treat them as though they are perfectly legit.

00:19:37.000 Let me give you an example.

00:19:38.000 So, over the weekend, MSNBC releases a documentary.

00:19:44.000 about Stacey Abrams.

00:19:45.000 Stacey Abrams, the Democrat in Georgia, she's a Georgia state legislator who ran for governor and lost by some 50,000 votes. 0.99

00:19:51.000 She has been going around for literally months, ever since she lost to Brian Kemp, the actual governor of Georgia.

00:19:57.000 She's been going around for months and suggesting that nefarious scheme was perpetrated by Brian Kemp and the Republicans, and that she actually is the governor.

00:20:05.000 Now, there is no evidence that she wins that election.

00:20:08.000 None.

00:20:08.000 She lost by 50,000 votes.

00:20:10.000 This is not a close election.

00:20:12.000 There's a lot more evidence that in past cases like the Washington state gubernatorial election circa like 2006 that there was some voter interference or that the actual senator from Minnesota in the Al Franken Norm Coleman election was Norm Coleman.

00:20:27.000 Those were very close elections where manipulation of a few votes could have changed the outcome of the election.

00:20:31.000 But when you lose by 50,000 votes, you lost the election.

00:20:34.000 Stacey Abrams lost the election.

00:20:35.000 It has become an article of faith on the left that Stacey Abrams was legitimately elected governor of Georgia and that Brian Kemp stole that election.

00:20:42.000 That is a conspiracy theory.

00:20:44.000 It is not supported by evidence.

00:20:45.000 And yet it will be perpetuated by entire swaths of the media and the Democratic establishment.

00:20:51.000 So, for example, Katie Tour on MSNBC asked Tasty Abrams, quote, do you think the vote was stolen from you?

00:20:57.000 The election was stolen from you.

00:20:59.000 And Abrams replied, I think the election was stolen from the people of Georgia.

00:21:03.000 I don't know that empirically I would have won.

00:21:05.000 But if you add together the thousands of people who faced extraordinarily long lines, who faced hurdles that should not happen in democracy, the votes that we know were not counted.

00:21:13.000 The secretary of state, who is also my opponent in the race, purged more than one point four million voters over basically an eight year period.

00:21:20.000 Now, she's still not naming the voters who wanted to vote who weren't able to vote.

00:21:23.000 Being in a long line does not prohibit you from voting.

00:21:26.000 By the way, that's just called a long line.

00:21:28.000 Turr noted that Kemp's so-called purges were legal and were enforcement of a law passed by Georgia Democrats who dominated state politics for more than a century after the Civil War.

00:21:38.000 Registered voters who don't vote, update their registration information, file a name or address change, sign a petition or respond to attempts to confirm their address for three years, are moved to inactive status, but can still participate in elections, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Washington Free Beacon.

00:21:53.000 If they are inactive or don't respond to election officials for another two election cycles, they're removed from the rolls.

00:21:58.000 Oftentimes, the voters have moved out of the state or died.

00:22:02.000 Abrams said they knew people had been purged from the rolls who didn't meet the criteria but didn't elaborate how she knew or who these people were.

00:22:08.000 She claims that 53,000 voters were put on hold by Kemp to prevent them from voting during the race.

00:22:14.000 And that's deceptive.

00:22:15.000 It is simply not true.

00:22:17.000 Nonetheless, Abrams continues to maintain this and she's supported in this by figures ranging from other Democratic presidential candidates to columnists like Jamel Bowie, people who continue to suggest that Stacey Abrams is legitimately the governor of Georgia.

00:22:32.000 That's a conspiracy theory.

00:22:34.000 And yet it's not treated as a conspiracy theory.

00:22:36.000 It's just treated as a theory.

00:22:37.000 It's treated as a normal theory.

00:22:39.000 Everyday politics.

00:22:40.000 I'm old enough to remember when people were suggesting that if Trump lost the 2016 election, he would suggest that he had that he had wrongly lost and that he actually won.

00:22:49.000 And then we spent two years with the Democrats Perpetuating another conspiracy theory, which is that the Russians were behind Trump's election, that if it weren't for Russian interference in the election, Trump would have won, and that Trump and the Russians were actively colluding with one another in order to move the election out of Hillary Clinton's column.

00:23:07.000 That turned out not to be true either.

00:23:09.000 It took two years and, what, $12 million to investigate that particular conspiracy theory?

00:23:13.000 But it's not a conspiracy theory, according to the left.

00:23:16.000 According to the left, Trump still did collude. 0.97

00:23:17.000 Trump is still a traitor, and we should impeach him for this. 0.92

00:23:20.000 This is the point I'm making. 0.96

00:23:21.000 Generally speaking, conspiracy theories from the left are treated as extraordinarily mainstream.

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00:23:30.000 And then they gain some momentum, and it doesn't help when Donald Trump lends his weight to them, whether you're talking about birtherism or whether you're talking about what just happened with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:23:40.000 But when it's on the left, it's not treated as a conspiracy theory.

00:23:42.000 It's treated as something completely normal.

00:23:44.000 I'll give you another example that happened over the weekend, completely ignored by the media in every conceivable way.

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00:25:13.000 OK, so speaking of other conspiracy theories that are going to be completely ignored, completely and wildly ignored by the media over the weekend was the five year anniversary of the Ferguson incident involving Ferguson, Missouri, involving Michael Brown.

00:25:30.000 Michael Brown was an 18 year old, very large dude, black guy.

00:25:35.000 Who, according to the media reports at the time, supposedly was murdered in cold blood by a white police officer named Darren Wilson.

00:25:42.000 And that was done out of racial hatred because the police force in Ferguson was deeply racist and Michael Brown was in fact surrendering at the time.

00:25:50.000 And this is how you end up with famous pictures on the news of people like Sally Cohn and other commentators raising their hands and saying, hands up, don't shoot.

00:25:58.000 The idea was, or I can't breathe, they used the Eric Garner slogan, but hands up, don't shoot, was what this became.

00:26:04.000 You had NFL players in St.

00:26:05.000 Louis running out onto the field, raising their hands, hands up, don't shoot, because black people were surrendering to police, and then the police saying, oh, well, there's a black guy, would you shoot the guy down?

00:26:14.000 And Michael Brown was used as the case in point of all of this.

00:26:18.000 Well, as it turns out, that's not what happened at all.

00:26:20.000 Michael Brown, Had earlier in the day gone to a store, a convenience store, and he had stolen some Swisher Sweets, which are very often used in the cigars.

00:26:31.000 They are often used in the tobaccos removed, marijuana is put in.

00:26:35.000 That's beside the point because drug use really isn't the issue here.

00:26:37.000 And Michael Brown assaulted the store owner and then walked out.

00:26:41.000 Darren Wilson, the cop, was driving around town, and he got some news that criminal activity had been taking place.

00:26:47.000 He saw Michael Brown walking erratically with his friend Dorian Johnson down the street, and he told them to pull over.

00:26:52.000 They refused to pull over.

00:26:53.000 He kind of pulled in front of them, so they pulled over, at which point, According to witness testimony and physical evidence, Michael Brown walked up to the side of the car, punched Darren Wilson in the face, tried to grab Darren Wilson's gun.

00:27:05.000 The gun went off in the car.

00:27:07.000 Darren Wilson got out of the car.

00:27:08.000 He told Michael Brown to stop.

00:27:10.000 Brown was running away.

00:27:11.000 Brown then turned around and charged at the officer.

00:27:13.000 This is according to witness testimony.

00:27:15.000 And those witnesses are black.

00:27:17.000 This is not a race thing.

00:27:19.000 Testimony and physical evidence.

00:27:21.000 Dorian Johnson, his friend, lied to the press.

00:27:23.000 He said that he had turned around, he had said, hands up, don't shoot, and that he was actually shot in the back by the police officer.

00:27:29.000 The police officer had shot him in the back.

00:27:30.000 As it turns out, the wound pattern on Michael Brown, on his body, showed that he was shot not only from the front, but approaching.

00:27:38.000 That Wilson was shooting at him as Brown was running at him.

00:27:41.000 And Brown was a very, very large man.

00:27:42.000 He was 18 years old and a very, very large dude.

00:27:45.000 So that's not just what was found by the grand jury in the Ferguson, Missouri case, which touched off rioting in Ferguson, egged on by the President of the United States, who suggested that perhaps the grand jury had come to the wrong conclusion and that people weren't making up stories like this when this was, in fact, a made-up story by Dorian Johnson.

00:28:02.000 The DOJ did a full-scale investigation.

00:28:04.000 Barack Obama's own Department of Justice did a full-scale investigation of the Michael Brown situation and came to the conclusion that, in fact, it was not a racial shooting.

00:28:12.000 In fact, it was a justifiable homicide.

00:28:15.000 Meaning that Wilson shot in self-defense.

00:28:17.000 He did what he was supposed to do.

00:28:19.000 That is what the Obama DOJ found.

00:28:21.000 There's a full report on all of this.

00:28:23.000 You had the grand jury report, and then you had the Barack Obama DOJ report.

00:28:28.000 None of these reports found that Michael Brown was murdered.

00:28:30.000 None of them.

00:28:31.000 It is an ongoing conspiracy theory to suggest that Michael Brown was murdered for racial reasons in cold blood.

00:28:38.000 All the evidence is against this, including witness evidence from the town.

00:28:41.000 And if you actually read the witness testimony, it's kind of heartbreaking in that particular case.

00:28:44.000 I mean, we went through this at the time in detail.

00:28:47.000 The witness testimony in the case was devastating because a lot of the witnesses said that they'd been threatened by members of their community for even coming forward and testifying.

00:28:54.000 And that when the police tried to investigate, people would hide from the police because they didn't want to blow back from members of their own community.

00:29:00.000 Okay, so with all of that as backdrop, here's what happened over the weekend.

00:29:03.000 Okay, so over the weekend is the five-year anniversary of Ferguson.

00:29:06.000 And as I say, Dorian Johnson, the original witness, was lying by all available evidence.

00:29:11.000 And it's clear from the media coverage, by the way, that he is lying still.

00:29:14.000 So the Washington Post helped perpetuate this lie.

00:29:18.000 They had a story called Dorian Johnson, witness to the Ferguson shooting, sticks by his story.

00:29:24.000 It's by Wesley Lowry, who was one of the reporters on scene in Ferguson, did a lot of reporting from there at the time.

00:29:29.000 Michael Brown was still lying dead in the street when his family gathered in the kitchen of a nearby apartment to hear from Dorian Johnson, the friend who saw what happened.

00:29:36.000 Through thick tears, Johnson recounted how he and Brown, 18, had encountered Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson and how Wilson had pumped half a dozen bullets into Brown's body.

00:29:44.000 When Johnson finished, Brown's family had one request.

00:29:47.000 Tell the media.

00:29:48.000 And so minutes later, a trembling Johnson was staring into a local TV news camera, uttering the words that would change both the nation and his life.

00:29:55.000 He put his hands in the air, Johnson said of Brown in his final moments.

00:29:58.000 He started to get down, but the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots and my friend died.

00:30:04.000 The Killing of Michael Brown On August 9th, 2014, began one of the most incendiary events in American history, spawning the Black Lives Matter movement's most powerful rallying cry, Hands Up, Don't Shoot.

00:30:17.000 Ultimately, two separate law enforcement investigations concluded that Brown did not have his hands in the air when Wilson opened fire.

00:30:24.000 A controversy over Johnson's account raged for months.

00:30:28.000 So now Johnson is speaking out again.

00:30:31.000 Here's what Johnson says.

00:30:33.000 And it's obvious from his statement that he was lying in his first statement.

00:30:35.000 Here's what he said, quote, So in two sentences, he denies his original account.

00:30:38.000 His hands were definitely up, whether his hands were up, halfway down, fully down or up.

00:30:43.000 He was killed and he was unarmed.

00:30:45.000 He wasn't posing a threat.

00:30:46.000 So in two sentences, he denies his original account.

00:30:49.000 His hands were definitely up.

00:30:51.000 Whether his hands were up, halfway down, fully down or up, he was killed and he was unarmed.

00:30:56.000 He wasn't posing a threat, except for witness testimony, except for forensic evidence.

00:31:03.000 OK, so Dorian Johnson still telling this tale.

00:31:07.000 So as we'll see, Democratic candidates, presidential candidates perpetuated a conspiracy theory over the weekend, and the media didn't care.

00:31:13.000 Not only didn't the media not care, they saw it as a sign of moral truth and decency that these Democratic candidates decided to purvey this conspiracy theory.

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00:33:43.000 So as I say, these democratic presidential candidates are perpetuating their own conspiracy theory Not a single question I saw in the media asked about this.

00:33:57.000 Not one.

00:33:58.000 Not one.

00:33:59.000 So, very properly, questions asked about Trump, talking about Jeffrey Epstein's death and all of this, but it is somewhat newsworthy that Democratic presidential candidates are just spouting absolute debunked lies.

00:34:10.000 Lies debunked by Barack Obama's DOJ, led by Eric Holder, about Michael Brown.

00:34:14.000 So Elizabeth Warren, who's pandering for black votes, she tweets out five years ago, Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

00:34:22.000 Michael was unarmed, yet he was shot six times.

00:34:24.000 I stand with activists and organizers who continue the fight for justice for Michael.

00:34:28.000 We must confront systemic racism and police violence head on.

00:34:32.000 Virtually every word of this is a brutal lie.

00:34:35.000 There's no evidence that he was murdered.

00:34:36.000 Murder has a very specific meaning.

00:34:39.000 He was unarmed.

00:34:40.000 He was charging a police officer at the time.

00:34:42.000 He had already tried to grab the police officer's gun by forensic evidence.

00:34:46.000 The gun went off in the car.

00:34:48.000 Witnesses say that Brown was inside the car.

00:34:50.000 He had put his head inside the car and his hand inside the car. 0.99

00:34:53.000 Elizabeth Warren tweeting out absolute crap. 1.00

00:34:55.000 This is conspiracy theory nonsense. 0.99

00:34:57.000 And I guess the conspiracy theory would have to include that Obama DOJ they found differently.

00:35:01.000 Kamala Harris did the same thing when she's not locking people up. 1.00

00:35:05.000 She is apparently trying to justify somebody charging a police officer.

00:35:09.000 She tweeted out Michael Brown's murder.

00:35:11.000 Again, that's a very specific word.

00:35:12.000 Murder.

00:35:13.000 Forever changed Ferguson and America.

00:35:15.000 His tragic death sparked a desperately needed conversation and a nationwide movement.

00:35:19.000 We must fight for stronger accountability and racial equity in our justice system.

00:35:23.000 So that's two front-running Democratic candidates who are engaged in an open conspiracy theory suggesting that Michael Brown was not killed justifiably as per two law enforcement investigations and a grand jury investigation.

00:35:34.000 No, he was shot.

00:35:35.000 He was murdered.

00:35:36.000 He was murdered.

00:35:37.000 Beta O'Rourke says, Again, you want to use examples of black folks getting shot unjustifiably?

00:35:41.000 I mean, there's a case in South Carolina of that happening.

00:35:42.000 Too many similar stories to count.

00:35:44.000 In each, we're reminded of an idea as urgent and as ignored today as it was when Michael was killed.

00:35:49.000 Black lives matter.

00:35:50.000 Again, you want to use examples of black folks getting shot unjustifiably?

00:35:54.000 I mean, there's a case in South Carolina of that happening.

00:35:57.000 Philando Castile was shot wrongly in his car by a, I believe, an Asian police officer.

00:36:02.000 Michael Brown is a horrible example.

00:36:05.000 And when you engage in the Michael Brown mythology, you're in fact engaging in a conspiracy theory.

00:36:09.000 And this does have real-world effects.

00:36:12.000 The real-world effects include continued failures in exactly the areas that need more police officers, not fewer police officers.

00:36:20.000 You know, the fact that there are so many people on the left who don't actually seem to care.

00:36:24.000 about what people in crime-ridden areas need.

00:36:29.000 And yes, many of those areas are minority areas where there's high tension with police.

00:36:33.000 You know what you need?

00:36:34.000 Lower crime rates in those areas.

00:36:36.000 Okay, this is, it is wildly and insanely ridiculous that the Democrats continue to push the notion that police departments are actually the enemy when it comes to the inner city communities.

00:36:54.000 That actually do require people to police those communities.

00:36:59.000 You need lower crime rates.

00:37:02.000 If you actually want to have a safer America, if you want these areas to be safer, you need to build trust with the police.

00:37:07.000 You need to stop accusing every police officer of being a murderer, even when they are not a murderer.

00:37:12.000 You need to start recognizing that in order to build credibility between police officers and communities, you need to stop implying that every police officer is a murderer when he's not a murderer, that there's a conspiracy of silence at the top levels of law enforcement, that in places like Baltimore, where the majority of the police force is minority, where the police chief is black, That that police department is out to get black folks?

00:37:33.000 In Ferguson, you've seen a radical turnover of the Ferguson Police Department.

00:37:38.000 Ferguson's police department has become much, much more minority.

00:37:41.000 The reason it wasn't as minority before is because they were having trouble finding applicants, frankly.

00:37:46.000 But right now, according to the New York Times, more than half of Ferguson City Council members and police officers are now black.

00:37:52.000 But guess what?

00:37:53.000 That hasn't changed the conditions on the ground in Ferguson, nor has it changed the attitude of many citizens toward police.

00:37:58.000 Because when you keep perpetuating the myth that police officers are generally out to get black people, it turns out that has real world effects.

00:38:04.000 There's this article in the New York Times.

00:38:06.000 It is called, he's a veteran of upheaval molded by Ferguson's traumas.

00:38:10.000 He's seven.

00:38:11.000 And it's a profile of a kid named David Morrison, who's seven years old.

00:38:15.000 It says, David Morrison carries the scars of Ferguson's upheaval.

00:38:19.000 A veteran protester, he has fled gunshots and tear gas, marched, waved signs, played dead on the asphalt in years of activism, then unspooled after a white police officer killed an unarmed black teenager named Michael Brown.

00:38:29.000 I'm so angry, he shouts.

00:38:30.000 He is seven years old.

00:38:32.000 So are you telling me that he's had bad run-ins with police officers?

00:38:35.000 He's seven.

00:38:37.000 Or is it that his mom has taken him to a lot of protests, backed by, presumably, these sorts of presidential candidates?

00:38:43.000 Well, as the article makes clear, it is the latter.

00:38:46.000 As the article makes clear, his mother was taking him to protest from the time that he was like two.

00:38:53.000 David's mother got involved in a citizen journalism project after the shooting of Michael Brown and took David along to protest when he was a preschooler.

00:39:00.000 But one night after she had scooped David into her arms and raced to her car, when gunfire erupted, she began to notice the toll.

00:39:07.000 He jolts awake from nightmares on the living room couch where he often sleeps, then cracks open her bedroom door to reassure himself she is still there.

00:39:15.000 David and his mother were driving on a summer afternoon when the conversation turned, as it often does in Ferguson, to race and injustice.

00:39:21.000 David piped up from the backseat, I can fight the police.

00:39:25.000 No, you can't.

00:39:25.000 Yes, I will.

00:39:26.000 David, his mother said, you're going to end up dead if you do that. 0.73

00:39:29.000 Quit using your imagination.

00:39:30.000 It's time to use reality.

00:39:33.000 Seven-year-olds don't generally say they can fight the police unless they are told by their relatives that they should fight the police and that the police are the bad guys.

00:39:40.000 Does it help when you have national political figures lying and saying that a police officer who did not murder a black man murdered a black man?

00:39:47.000 Is that helpful?

00:39:49.000 A detailed federal review cleared Officer Wilson of any civil rights violations and largely supported the officer's version of the story.

00:39:57.000 Investigators concluded Officer Wilson had confronted Mr. Brown in connection with a theft at a nearby convenience store.

00:40:02.000 Then the report found Brown attacked Wilson while the officer was seated in his SUV and struggled for control of his gun.

00:40:08.000 After a brief chase on Canfield Drive, the report said, Brown was moving toward Officer Wilson on the street when he was fatally shot.

00:40:15.000 After the shooting, Ferguson officials entered into a contentious agreement with the Justice Department, promising to overhaul its court process, make new guidelines for stops and searches, give police officers more training, require them to wear body cameras.

00:40:26.000 Progress has been agonizingly slow.

00:40:28.000 And as it turns out, crime rates jumped in the aftermath of Ferguson.

00:40:30.000 Not the opposite.

00:40:31.000 Who did that hurt?

00:40:32.000 Law-abiding citizens in places like Ferguson.

00:40:36.000 There's an article by Justin Hansford, who is a law professor, in the New York Times over the weekend.

00:40:41.000 He's at Howard University School of Law and Executive Director of the Thurgood Marshall Civil Rights Center.

00:40:47.000 And this columnist says five years after Ferguson, we're losing the fight against police violence.

00:40:52.000 Well, let's make something clear.

00:40:53.000 After Ferguson, crime rates spiked due to something that Heather McDonald correctly called the Ferguson effect.

00:41:00.000 Police officers, of whom I know many, not wanting to go into situations in which they could be dragged up on chargers for simply doing their job the way that Darren Wilson was.

00:41:11.000 It turns out this law professor, what exactly does he think is the solution to all of this?

00:41:16.000 He thinks the solution isn't more police and less crime.

00:41:20.000 He thinks that the solution is to end policing and prisons altogether.

00:41:23.000 Quote, in the five years since the uprising, Ferguson activists have shifted from a demand to stop killing us to calls for broader civil rights and human rights standards and appeals for the ultimate structural change, an abolitionist ethic that seeks to end policing and prisons altogether.

00:41:38.000 End policing and prisons altogether.

00:41:41.000 This conclusion, admits the law professor, dubious and far-fetched to many, is a response to the thoroughly credible and highly researched position that the use of the criminal justice system as a tool of racial control reflects its original design.

00:41:54.000 Yes, I'm sure that this is going to be better for all the people who are law-abiding in their inner city, in their inner city communities.

00:42:00.000 I'm sure the best thing will be to continue perpetuating the myth that Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in cold blood, just like officers across the country would do, and that has no impact on people's lives in these places.

00:42:10.000 Conspiracy theories do have impact, but folks on the left are willing to go along with those conspiracy theories so long as they support their political agenda.

00:42:19.000 And as it turns out, I mean, in a wild piece, the New York Times is promoting yet another conspiracy theory today.

00:42:24.000 That conspiracy theory is that the shooting in El Paso, Texas, the white supremacist racist shooting in El Paso, Texas, is due to, I kid you not, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and virtually everybody else on the right who has ever been critical of law enforcement when it comes to illegal immigration.

00:42:41.000 There's an article in the New York Times called The New Nativists, how the El Paso killer echoed the incendiary words of conservative media stars.

00:42:50.000 And it basically looks like that actor from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia standing next to the conspiracy board.

00:42:59.000 Right?

00:42:59.000 I mean, it's just them looking.

00:43:01.000 I mean, they literally took the manifesto of the killer in El Paso, of the shooter, the white supremacist piece of trash in El Paso, and then they scanned it for the word invasion. 0.94

00:43:10.000 And then they went and found other people who use the word invasion. 0.97

00:43:14.000 And that apparently is enough to blame those people for the crime.

00:43:18.000 To link those people... It's so weird how they didn't do that with the manifesto of the guy who attacked the ICE facility like three weeks ago, calling it a concentration camp.

00:43:25.000 So they've all now become Charlie Day in the conspiracy photo.

00:43:29.000 There's a striking degree of overlap between the words of right-wing media personalities and the language used by the Texas man who confessed to killing 22 people at a Walmart in El Paso this month.

00:43:39.000 In a 2300-word screed posted on the website 8chan, the killer wrote that he was simply defending my country from a cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion, according to the New York Times.

00:43:49.000 It remains unclear what or who ultimately shaped the views of the white 21-year-old gunman, or whether he was aware of the media commentary. 0.99

00:43:56.000 Well, wouldn't that be the thing you should investigate, you morons? 0.96

00:43:59.000 If you're going to perpetuate a conspiracy theory about how he watched lots of Tucker Carlson, then went out and shot up an El Paso Walmart, maybe you ought to check out whether he watched Tucker Carlson all the time. 0.98

00:44:09.000 And even by that logic, maybe you should talk with the shooter in the congressional baseball game, find out how often he was stumping for Bernie Sanders and listening to what Bernie had to say.

00:44:18.000 But the New York Times openly admits that they don't have any direct connect between the white supremacist terrorist who shot up an El Paso Walmart and Tucker Carlson, but they're still going to push this.

00:44:26.000 It remains unclear what or who ultimately shaped the views of the white 21-year-old gunman, but his post contains numerous references to invasion and cultural replacement, ideas that, until recently, were relegated to the fringes of the nationalist right.

00:44:41.000 Again, I don't like the language of invasion, and I don't believe I've used it.

00:44:44.000 If I had, I'm sorry I did, because I don't think that it is correct, but I'm fairly certain I never did, because I never considered it a quote-unquote invasion when illegal immigrants cross our southern border.

00:44:52.000 But, and I certainly don't believe in the idea of quote-unquote racial replacement, because I literally do not care about the races of people who live in America. 0.80

00:44:59.000 I care about their ideas and their ideology.

00:45:03.000 But the New York Times decides that because there is language that sounds similar to stuff that Tucker Carlson has said, they are now going to attribute this shooter to Tucker.

00:45:11.000 Zucker, quote, an extensive New York Times review of popular right wing media platforms found hundreds of examples of language, ideas and ideologies that overlapped with the mass killers written statement, a shared vocabulary of intolerance that stokes fears centered on immigrants of color.

00:45:24.000 Again, this is a conspiracy theory.

00:45:27.000 And the conspiracy theory, this one is deliberately designed in order to link together basic conservative tropes about immigration with white supremacism.

00:45:38.000 This is how you end up with the Washington Post running a piece today on their front page about how evil the Trump administration is for cracking down on welfare use by legal immigrants.

00:45:47.000 Abigail Haas-Lohner and Nick Miroff have a piece today in the Washington Post titled, Trump Administration Aims to Make Citizenship More Difficult for Immigrants Who Receive Public Assistance.

00:45:59.000 They say legal immigrants who use public benefits such as Medicaid, food stamps, or housing assistance could have a tougher time obtaining a green card or U.S.

00:46:07.000 citizenship under a policy change announced Monday that is at the center of the Trump administration's effort to reduce immigration.

00:46:14.000 The new policy for inadmissibility on public charge grounds, which appeared Monday on the Federal Register's website and will take effect in two months, sets the new standard for obtaining permanent residency and U.S.

00:46:24.000 citizenship.

00:46:27.000 The Trump administration has been seeking to limit those immigrants who might draw on taxpayer-funded benefits, such as many of those who have been fleeing Central America.

00:46:36.000 Now, again, this is a good policy, but you watch as the rest of the week is dedicated to the notion that the Trump administration is racist for attempting to curb public welfare use by people who are legal immigrants to the United States.

00:46:48.000 If you legally immigrate to the United States, you should not be dependent on public welfare.

00:46:53.000 If you're illegally immigrant to the United States, you should not be dependent on public welfare.

00:46:58.000 I mean, frankly, if you live in the United States, you should try not to be dependent on public welfare, but we have no obligation to bring in people who are then going to be dependent on the taxpayer dime.

00:47:07.000 That doesn't make the country economically stronger.

00:47:10.000 But again, this is all part of a generalized push by the left.

00:47:15.000 Beto O'Rourke suggesting that the terrorist attack, I mean this has become his thing, that the terrorist attack in El Paso was motivated by President Trump.

00:47:23.000 Again, this is all part of the giant conspiracy theory that suggests that the entire right is tied in with white supremacists who shoot up the El Paso Walmart.

00:47:29.000 He's changing the conversation, and if we allow him to do that, then we will never be able to focus on the true problems of which he is a part and make sure that we get to the solutions.

00:47:39.000 And then you reported this week that his Department of Homeland Security has been begging the president to focus on the kinds of threats that we saw in El Paso, and he's ignored them or willfully suppressed action on those ideas and those programs and those policies that could have saved lives in El Paso and across the country.

00:47:59.000 So Trump is apparently part of the problem here.

00:48:03.000 Kamala Harris goes even further, of course, because she always goes further. 0.97

00:48:05.000 And she suggests that the Trump administration instructed the DHS to commit raids against a chicken factory in Mississippi, specifically as part of a quote unquote campaign of terror.

00:48:15.000 Those are specifically chosen words, campaign of terror.

00:48:17.000 And they're obviously supposed to connect to El Paso.

00:48:20.000 This administration has directed DHS to conduct these raids as part of what I believe is this administration's campaign of terror.

00:48:30.000 Which is to make whole populations of people afraid to go to work.

00:48:36.000 Children are afraid to go to school for fear that when they come home their parents won't be there.

00:48:40.000 Campaign of terror.

00:48:41.000 Campaign of terror.

00:48:43.000 And this is the language they're using.

00:48:44.000 Again, conspiracy theories on the right are treated with precisely the sort of disdain that they merit.

00:48:49.000 Conspiracy theories on the left are treated as perfectly normal rhetoric.

00:48:53.000 And then you wonder why people on the right react strongly to the media condemning Trump over conspiracies.

00:48:58.000 Again, Trump is dead wrong to say that Hillary Clinton has anything to do or Bill Clinton has anything to do with the Jeffrey Epstein suicide. 0.92

00:49:05.000 That's silly. 0.57

00:49:06.000 There's no evidence to it. 0.96

00:49:08.000 And guess what?

00:49:09.000 A media that refuses to acknowledge the conspiracism inherent in saying that Stacey Abrams is governor of Georgia and Michael Brown was murdered, that Donald Trump is complicit in a terror attack in El Paso and that Tucker Carlson is responsible, Yeah, the conspiracism isn't just on the right, guys.

00:49:26.000 And if you actually want to bring down the temperature, then you're actually going to need to call it out whenever you see it on both sides.

00:49:31.000 I'll call it out from Trump.

00:49:32.000 I'm not seeing a lot of people on the left calling out Elizabeth Warren today over the Michael Brown nonsense.

00:49:36.000 OK, time for a thing I like and then a quick thing I hate and we'll be out of here.

00:49:39.000 So a thing I like today, over the weekend I had the opportunity to read a great piece of hard science fiction called Three Laws Lethal by David Walton.

00:49:46.000 It's really good.

00:49:47.000 So the basic premise of the book is that there are these self-driving cars And there are these programmers who have designed the self-driving cars, but they come up with a system for making the self-driving cars incredibly efficient.

00:49:58.000 It involves building AI, and then the AI, as it is wont to do, goes out of control.

00:50:04.000 I think that it's a fascinating book.

00:50:06.000 It does raise serious questions about AI and the nature of being.

00:50:09.000 Actually, one of the great things about science fiction, I love science fiction because it's idea-driven fiction.

00:50:14.000 Very often, fiction is emotion-driven fiction.

00:50:15.000 Sci-fi tends to be ideas-driven fiction.

00:50:17.000 David Walton is great at this.

00:50:19.000 The book is Three Laws Lethal.

00:50:20.000 Go check it out.

00:50:21.000 It raises serious questions about what it means to be human, AI, the nature of identity, and it gets there from basically All of the rideshare services that you use right now.

00:50:30.000 So it's kind of a cool entry point.

00:50:32.000 It is worthy of the read.

00:50:33.000 I haven't read his other books, but now I want to.

00:50:35.000 David Walton's Three Laws Lethal.

00:50:36.000 Go check it out right now.

00:50:37.000 Okay, a quick thing that I hate.

00:50:42.000 Well, a couple quick things that I hate.

00:50:44.000 So first of all, Democrats, now apparently it's become an article of faith that it's time to dox people who back President Trump.

00:50:51.000 It's time to go after them.

00:50:52.000 Kirsten Gillibrand, desperate for attention, failing at 0% in the polls.

00:50:56.000 Kirsten Gillibrand, she came forward over the weekend.

00:50:58.000 She said that it's very good to go after President Trump's donors and try to shame them or hurt them.

00:51:02.000 What about, though, what Joaquin Castro, the congressman, did this week with publishing the names of some of President Trump's top donors?

00:51:09.000 It's publicly available information, but some would say he was targeting these individuals.

00:51:13.000 Is that helpful, or is that dangerous, given what you're describing?

00:51:18.000 Those are his choices, not mine.

00:51:21.000 I will call out racism when I see it.

00:51:23.000 I will call out white supremacy when I see it.

00:51:26.000 I will call out hate, and I will stand up against it in every form.

00:51:31.000 Okay, so again, she'll stand up. 1.00

00:51:34.000 She wouldn't do it that way, but still, people have to be called out.

00:51:36.000 I'll call out racism and hate, so she's not ruling out the doxxing.

00:51:40.000 Guys, giving to a political opponent does not mean that you are an evil, horrible, no good, very bad racist.

00:51:45.000 I may disagree with you politically, but if we start seeing each other in that sort of light, there ain't gonna be a lot of future, okay?

00:51:49.000 Final thing that I hate today, L.A.

00:51:51.000 County Supervisor Mark Ridley-Thomas finally beginning to recognize that L.A.

00:51:54.000 has turned into a trash heap, and it really is. 1.00

00:51:56.000 It's a garbage hole. 0.98

00:51:57.000 I mean, I've lived here my entire life, and the conditions, the living conditions here are awful. 0.98

00:52:01.000 Open needles on the street virtually everywhere.

00:52:03.000 There are homeless people living in piles of trash.

00:52:07.000 There's danger of disease, particularly on Skid Row in L.A., but you can't go beneath a freeway underpass and not see an entire homeless city.

00:52:14.000 L.A.

00:52:14.000 County Supervisor Mark Ridley-Thomas says, hey, you know what?

00:52:16.000 Maybe we should do something about this homeless problem.

00:52:19.000 We have a crisis.

00:52:21.000 I'm essentially advocating with my co-chair, Daryl Steinberg, that we declare a state of emergency.

00:52:29.000 The situation is not getting better, it's getting worse.

00:52:32.000 We should not adjust to a new normal that suggests in any way that people ought to languish on our streets, any place in California.

00:52:40.000 We take roughly a 130 Three people out of homelessness every day in the county of Los Angeles and 150 come in.

00:52:49.000 Why?

00:52:50.000 Because of the force of poverty.

00:52:52.000 Therefore, we have to act quickly.

00:52:54.000 A state of emergency, the right to housing.

00:52:58.000 No more status quo.

00:52:59.000 Okay, you think the right to housing is going to solve all of this?

00:53:01.000 You think rent control is going to solve all of this?

00:53:03.000 Where's the housing going to come from?

00:53:04.000 It turns out that a lot of people here want to live on the streets.

00:53:07.000 There are a lot of people who are drug addicts, who can't actually last in housing, who are mentally ill, who actually need medication but won't take the medication.

00:53:16.000 They've tried exactly these solutions in Seattle and it's exacerbated the homeless problem.

00:53:19.000 You think a right to housing isn't going to bring more homeless people to the city of Los Angeles?

00:53:24.000 We're living in an economy with like a 3.7% unemployment rate.

00:53:27.000 And yet we're hearing about endemic poverty creating the homelessness problem in LA.

00:53:30.000 Why was it that 10 years ago when the homeless rate, when the unemployment rate was a lot higher, why is it that in the middle of the Great Recession, the homeless population of Los Angeles was significantly lower?

00:53:41.000 It has something to do with the policies pursued by the Democratic legislators and county supervisors in Los Angeles.

00:53:47.000 It ain't gonna get better until you start actually arresting people for trespass, until you are able to rouse people and move them, until you are able to get people the help they need by putting them in drug clean-out centers, even if they don't want to be there, until you're able to take people who are mentally ill and get them the treatment that they need, until you're able to arrest people who are willingly living on the streets.

00:54:05.000 You're not going to be able to do anything.

00:54:06.000 And it's going to get worse.

00:54:07.000 And these politicians are too gutless to do anything about it because they're afraid of being called mean.

00:54:11.000 Well, guess what?

00:54:12.000 It ain't exactly nice to taxpayers to have homeless people lying face down in drug-induced states of apathy outside your front door, which all too often is happening in the city of Los Angeles.

00:54:23.000 You do not have a right to do that.

00:54:26.000 And affordable housing ain't going to cure that.

00:54:28.000 OK, we will be back here a little bit later today with two additional hours of content.

00:54:31.000 If not, we'll see you here tomorrow.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - August 12, 2019

Is There An Epstein Conspiracy? | Ep. 837

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