The Ben Shapiro Show - Is Trump Biased? | Ep. 453

00:00:00.000 Is Donald Trump a racist?

00:00:01.000 We will talk about it.

00:00:02.000 Plus, the Me Too movement goes completely off the rails, and Hawaii apparently almost got nuked, or not really, but things went wrong.

00:00:08.000 We'll talk about that as well.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:10.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:16.000 So, today is the day that America celebrates a great man's birthday.

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00:00:24.000 It is also my birthday, but of course today is Martin Luther King Day, and I have some Martin Luther King Day recommendations a little bit later in the show.

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00:00:40.000 He's really obnoxious, Aziz Ansari, but the implication that Aziz Ansari is some sort of

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00:00:47.000 The Me Too movement is really going overboard at this point, something I have feared for a while.

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00:02:24.000 Alrighty, so...

00:02:26.000 Over the weekend, the media have decided that President Trump's a racist.

00:02:28.000 Now, that's no different from any other weekend. 0.94

00:02:30.000 Every weekend, the media decide that President Trump is a racist.

00:02:33.000 Now, some weekends, they have more material than others to call President Trump a racist.

00:02:38.000 Now, let me start with this.

00:02:40.000 I want to start by talking

00:02:40.000 We're good to go.

00:03:03.000 That black folks on average may have lower IQs because racial groups differentiate, but that that is a natural thing, and that that has behavioral consequences that cannot be cured by culture. 1.00

00:03:13.000 You're running some really dicey territory there. 0.97

00:03:16.000 But the idea that you believe that black people are innately inferior, they're morally inferior, they are inferior by dint of their skin color and their genetics. 1.00

00:03:26.000 That is racist. 0.97

00:03:27.000 That's what racism is.

00:03:28.000 Richard Spencer is one type of racism.

00:03:30.000 Then there are people who say racist things.

00:03:32.000 You say a racist thing.

00:03:33.000 So, when President Trump, for example, said that he didn't condemn the KKK and didn't know who they were, that was a racist thing in my view.

00:03:39.000 I talked about it at the time.

00:03:41.000 People say racist— Al Sharpton, when he says things about Jews that are racist or anti-Semitic, those are anti-Semitic things to say.

00:03:48.000 When people do racist things, when people discriminate against black people in their businesses or discriminate against black people in their housing, these are racist things.

00:03:57.000 I think that what the media are trying to do right now is use the term racist and label people racist, so not actions, not activities.

00:04:04.000 I'm always hesitant to label anyone overtly racist, say that the person themselves is completely racist, unless we are suggesting that their entire worldview is dominated by racism.

00:04:14.000 Now, there are racists, obviously, whose entire worldview is not dominated by racism.

00:04:17.000 But when it comes to public policy, when it comes to public figures, we have to determine what's the usefulness of saying whether somebody is a racist or not.

00:04:24.000 Now, there are three reasons why you would say somebody is a racist.

00:04:27.000 And I'm going to get to why I'm talking about this and all this in a second.

00:04:30.000 There are three reasons why you might suggest that somebody is racist.

00:04:34.000 One, it's just true.

00:04:35.000 You're saying it because you apply it across the spectrum.

00:04:37.000 When someone holds racist views, then you are going to call it out. 0.94

00:04:40.000 Al Sharpton is a racist, and you think Donald Trump is a racist, or Al Sharpton is a racist, and Richard Spencer is a racist, and Jared Taylor is a racist.

00:04:48.000 You're going to try and call out racism wherever you see it, and you're going to label people racist based on their worldview. 0.98

00:04:54.000 That's reason number one.

00:04:55.000 Reason number two is because you're trying to use racism as a baton to wield against somebody.

00:05:00.000 So this is when people suggest that everybody on the right is a racist and that's why they can't be trusted, right?

00:05:04.000 This is just a political baton that you're using to wield against somebody because racism is the most dangerous charge that you can throw against somebody in public life.

00:05:12.000 Right, that if you shout somebody's a racist, you never have to listen to them again.

00:05:15.000 That's the idea here.

00:05:16.000 Okay, and then there's reason number three.

00:05:18.000 Once you label somebody a racist, overall, once you say that Donald Trump, for example, is a racist, which is what the media have been saying over the weekend.

00:05:25.000 Once you say Donald Trump is racist, then what you are doing is allowing yourself the ability to avoid evaluating individual instances of racism.

00:05:35.000 It allows you the ability to avoid saying whether he just did something racist or whether maybe there is another reason.

00:05:41.000 So, for example, if you think Donald Trump is a racist, now every time you talk about his immigration policy, you don't actually have to evaluate whether the immigration policy is bad or good, whether it is being driven by racial considerations,

00:05:52.000 Or whether it is just an immigration policy that makes sense for a variety of other reasons.

00:05:58.000 Once you call somebody a racist, it allows you the ability to avoid saying what you think is good or bad about a policy.

00:06:05.000 It allows you to paint with a broad brush.

00:06:07.000 This brings us to Trump's statements last week.

00:06:10.000 As we talked about at length on Friday, President Trump is now accused by a bunch of Democrats, and at least one Republican, Lindsey Graham, of saying that people from bleephole countries should not come to the United States.

00:06:21.000 Now, there are two ways to read that comment, as I talked about on Friday.

00:06:24.000 Way one to read it is the racist way. 1.00

00:06:26.000 You're from Haiti, therefore you don't belong here because Haitians cannot assimilate and Haitians are stupid and bad and dirty and have AIDS, right? 1.00

00:06:32.000 That's sort of the racist way of reading what Trump said and that links in with some accusations. 1.00

00:06:37.000 The AIDS comment particularly links into an accusation made about Trump in the New York Times back in June in which Trump supposedly said that all Haitians have AIDS.

00:06:44.000 That was disputed by the White House.

00:06:46.000 They denied that comment entirely and you don't know what to believe because it was

00:06:50.000 It was anonymously sourced.

00:06:51.000 That is way one of reading it. 0.97

00:06:52.000 Trump was saying, I don't want more black people here. 0.99

00:06:54.000 I don't want more Haitians here. 1.00

00:06:55.000 I don't want more people from Ghana here. 1.00

00:06:58.000 Get them out. 0.97

00:06:58.000 They're the wrong color. 0.97

00:07:00.000 They're the wrong race. 1.00

00:07:00.000 They're the wrong ethnicity. 1.00

00:07:01.000 Therefore, they should leave.

00:07:03.000 That's way one of reading this. 0.97

00:07:05.000 And people reading Trump's comments in light of what he said about Mexican judges, for example, they will say, obviously, this is an instance of racism because the president is a racist.

00:07:14.000 OK, then there's way two of reading the comments, which is Trump was specifically talking about the diversity visa lottery, where we determine by country who to let in.

00:07:22.000 And he was saying, why do we need more people from Ghana as opposed to more people from Great Britain?

00:07:26.000 Why do we need more people from Russia as opposed to more people from Great Britain?

00:07:29.000 If you're going to make differentiations among countries, then we have to have a hierarchy of countries that we give priority to.

00:07:34.000 Why would we have less people from South Korea when we could have more people from South Korea and fewer people from Haiti?

00:07:40.000 That's a way, too, of reading it.

00:07:41.000 And that one is not really racist.

00:07:43.000 It's not really even bigoted.

00:07:44.000 That way is trying to force people into thinking about which countries are most likely to provide citizens who are most likely to assimilate to American values.

00:07:53.000 That's way too of reading it.

00:07:54.000 Now, how you read that comment is basically a Rorschach test on what you think of Trump.

00:07:58.000 But what's happened is that the media have been so determined, bound and determined, to hit Trump with the racist charge and read his comments in light of this background that he's a racist, that this prevents them from actually having to make an argument about the diversity visa lottery or about policy.

00:08:13.000 I think there's some ulterior motives going on in any case.

00:08:16.000 So, let's go through this.

00:08:17.000 First, let's point out a bunch of Republicans denied that Trump said it.

00:08:20.000 Now, Republicans denying that Trump said it,

00:08:22.000 I've been pretty weak on this stuff.

00:08:24.000 So, Sonny Perdue, who is a senator—or, sorry, David Perdue, not Sonny Perdue.

00:08:29.000 David Perdue, who is the senator from Georgia.

00:08:31.000 He was in the room when Trump apparently said this stuff, and he denies that Trump ever said this stuff.

00:08:35.000 What he is really saying, and what the Republicans are saying, is that Trump didn't say that these people come from bleep hole countries.

00:08:40.000 He said they come from bleep house countries, which makes no difference whatsoever. 0.99

00:08:44.000 So, if that's the peg you're going to hang your hat on, forget about it.

00:08:47.000 Here is David Perdue denying that Trump ever said this stuff.

00:08:50.000 Those comments have been confirmed by multiple sources.

00:08:53.000 You're saying it didn't happen?

00:08:55.000 Multiple sources?

00:08:57.000 There were six of us in the room.

00:08:58.000 I haven't heard any of those six sources other than Senator Durbin talk about what was said.

00:09:03.000 Look, this was a private meeting, Senator Scott, but the reports were basically accurate.

00:09:08.000 Well, you'll have to deal with him, but basically it's an operative word.

00:09:11.000 The trouble here is that Senator Durbin came and brought a proposal.

00:09:15.000 Let's put this in perspective.

00:09:17.000 I want to get to the proposal, but you're saying flat out, definitively, the President did not say those words.

00:09:24.000 I'm saying that this is a gross misrepresentation.

00:09:26.000 It's not the first time Senator Durbin has done it, and it is not productive to solving the problem.

00:09:31.000 Okay, so there's denial happening from Perdue.

00:09:33.000 Tom Cotton also was asked about this.

00:09:35.000 He also denied that Trump said this, and then he was grilled whether Dick Durbin, the senator from Illinois, was lying about it.

00:09:39.000 Here's what Cotton had to say.

00:09:40.000 What Senator Durbin and Senator Graham proposed is to expand our country of origin and quota-based system.

00:09:45.000 The president reacted strongly against that, as he should, and I do as well, because we want to get away from a country of origin system that treats people as Nigerians or Norwegians and treats them as individuals, as doctors and scientists and computer programmers and so forth. 0.90

00:09:59.000 I understand your sentiment, you're quite clear on that, but the President's sentiment, you're saying in all of these meetings there was never an instance in which he did what you're saying, where he grouped people in that fashion.

00:10:09.000 John, in his tweets, in his interviews, in his public statements, just Tuesday, when we had the large meeting in the cabinet room, he repeatedly insists that we need to move to a skills-based system.

00:10:17.000 But you were in the room where it happens, so you're saying in that room you didn't hear any of this sort of lumping everybody together, is that what you're saying?

00:10:24.000 I did not hear derogatory comments about individuals or persons.

00:10:29.000 Okay, so he's basically not denying the account.

00:10:31.000 He's just, he's accounting for it the way that I account for it, right?

00:10:34.000 He's trying to explain away what Trump said using this explanation.

00:10:37.000 I don't find it completely implausible.

00:10:39.000 In a second, I'm going to explain what the New York Times is saying about this, right?

00:10:42.000 What the New York Times are trying to do is create this backdrop where Trump is a racist, so we don't even have to evaluate whether the statement itself was racist.

00:10:48.000 We don't have to evaluate whether Trump was saying something terrible. 0.72

00:10:51.000 We can just call him a racist overall.

00:10:53.000 I'll get to that in just one second.

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00:12:34.000 All right, so, as I say, there are a couple of different ways to read Trump's comments, and the goal of the media here is to make it seem as though there's only one way to read Trump's comment, the way in the most racist light possible.

00:12:45.000 The most racist light possible.

00:12:47.000 Now, listen, as I say, I don't think it's implausible that Trump said something racist here.

00:12:51.000 I don't, right?

00:12:52.000 Mia Love, I think, had a solid take on this, the representative whose parents are from Haiti. 0.75

00:12:57.000 She was speaking on State of the Union with Tapper on CNN, and here's what she had to say, a Republican from Utah.

00:13:03.000 What do you say to the Haitian American who comes to you and says, Congresswoman, I think the president's racist?

00:13:14.000 Well, here's what I say.

00:13:16.000 My parents have always taught me not to be a victim.

00:13:18.000 My parents have taught me that no matter what somebody else feels, that's their problem, not mine.

00:13:24.000 That I'm not the one that's flawed when somebody feels some way about me because of the way I look or my gender or whatever that is.

00:13:34.000 Were the comments racist, do you think?

00:13:37.000 Um, well...

00:13:40.000 I think they were—yes.

00:13:42.000 I think that they were unfortunate.

00:13:45.000 I don't know if they were taken—I wasn't in the room.

00:13:49.000 I know the comments were made.

00:13:50.000 I don't know which context they were made.

00:13:51.000 I'm looking forward to finding out what happened.

00:13:54.000 But more importantly, I'm looking forward to— Okay, so the reason that she hesitates before she says yes is because, again, there are two plausible reads.

00:14:00.000 It's not just because Republicans are trying to avoid the implication that the president of the United States is a racist.

00:14:05.000 It's also because there are actually ways of reading that statement that are not racist.

00:14:10.000 What the New York Times is trying to do is now create a narrative whereby Trump is racist, so everything that he says must now be seen in that light.

00:14:17.000 Now, do I think that President Trump's entire ideology is dominated by a belief about the differences between races?

00:14:22.000 I don't believe that.

00:14:23.000 I don't.

00:14:24.000 I don't see that in President Trump. 0.94

00:14:26.000 I think that President Trump says dunder-headed things.

00:14:27.000 I think he's like a 1960s-style Archie Bunker type who has a root level of disdain for people—for

00:14:35.000 But then as individuals, he overcomes that.

00:14:37.000 That's my general take on him.

00:14:38.000 Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my psychological read.

00:14:40.000 I don't like doing psychological reads on people, typically, because, again, it prevents you from actually doing a read on particular instances of what the people are saying.

00:14:49.000 So here's why I keep citing The New York Times.

00:14:51.000 So today, The New York Times has a long piece by David Leonhardt, who is one of the assistant op-ed editors over at The New York Times, called Donald Trump's Racism, the Definitive List. 0.92

00:15:01.000 This follows hard on a piece from Charles Blow called Just Say It Trump, sorry, by Leonhardt called Just Say It Trump is a Racist. 0.72

00:15:07.000 In that piece, Leonhardt a couple days ago wrote, Sure.

00:15:19.000 Yes, but the definition of a racist, the textbook definition, as Paul Ryan might say, is someone who treats some people better than others because of their race.

00:15:26.000 OK, but the because of their race is the entire question.

00:15:29.000 Is he treating people differently because of their race or because of some other factor?

00:15:33.000 And this is the laziness of the New York Times and the laziness of the left.

00:15:37.000 By calling Trump a racist, the idea is that now they don't actually have to evaluate any of these instances on an individual level.

00:15:44.000 And here is the evidence.

00:15:46.000 So if you actually look at the list that is put together by Leon Hart and Ian Philbrick.

00:15:51.000 Here's their list of Trump's definitive racism.

00:15:53.000 It includes things that are obviously racist or racially tinged, right?

00:15:57.000 Stating that a judge of Mexican descent would be unable to adjudicate his Trump University fraud case because of his ethnicity.

00:16:02.000 I talked about that at the time.

00:16:03.000 I said it was racist.

00:16:04.000 Trump refusing to condemn the KKK on live TV.

00:16:06.000 I talked about that at the time.

00:16:07.000 I said I thought it was racist.

00:16:09.000 Trump saying there were good people marching in an anti-Semitic racist torchlight parade in Charlottesville.

00:16:14.000 I thought that that was a problem, right?

00:16:15.000 I said this at the time, but here's the problem.

00:16:17.000 The list also includes a bunch of stuff

00:16:19.000 That is not racist, right?

00:16:20.000 It includes a bunch of stuff that at best is questionable, right?

00:16:23.000 There are a bunch of statements that have been repeated by third parties, but not by Trump himself and not in public, right?

00:16:29.000 There was a guy who accused Trump of saying at one point that laziness was a trait in blacks. 0.95

00:16:32.000 There was that New York Times report a couple of weeks ago saying that Trump had said all Haitians have AIDS.

00:16:36.000 None of these are confirmed.

00:16:38.000 So you can't take those at the same value that you take as public statements or the stuff that's been reliably reported.

00:16:44.000 But here's the biggest problem.

00:16:45.000 Leonhardt and the New York Times then name a bunch of instances they call racist where there's no evidence at all that racism is the motivating factor.

00:16:52.000 So you remember during the campaign, Trump at one point pointed out a black guy in the audience and he said, there's my African-American over there.

00:16:58.000 Is that racism?

00:16:59.000 Is that really racism?

00:17:01.000 I don't think so. 1.00

00:17:02.000 I think it's Trump being an idiot. 1.00

00:17:03.000 Like, does that sound like a guy, like, is that a guy who's saying blacks are inferior, therefore there's my African American? 1.00

00:17:08.000 Or does it sound like I'm so proud that some African American support me and there's the black guy who supports me in the crowd? 0.99

00:17:14.000 Right, so it's stupid, but it's obviously not racist. 0.99

00:17:15.000 In fact, it's the opposite. 1.00

00:17:16.000 It's Trump saying I'm proud I have black support.

00:17:19.000 They cite, as evidence of Trump's racism, Trump calling Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas.

00:17:24.000 Okay, that's not racist.

00:17:25.000 Elizabeth Warren was the one who appropriated Native American heritage in order to get a job at Harvard Law School, apparently. 1.00

00:17:31.000 And Trump calling her Pocahontas is a way of mocking her, not mocking Native Americans.

00:17:35.000 They say that Trump's support for Roy Moore was obviously racist.

00:17:37.000 Are you kidding?

00:17:38.000 Are you kidding?

00:17:39.000 Trump supported Roy Moore because that was the only candidate left in the race, and because Trump was suckered by Steve Bannon into supporting Roy Moore. 0.98

00:17:45.000 They say Trump supported Joe Arpaio, and that's because Trump is a racist.

00:17:49.000 Okay, Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio not because Trump's a racist, but because Trump is hardcore on immigration, and Joe Arpaio was perceived as an immigration hawk.

00:17:56.000 Maybe you make the argument it's racist, but that is dubious at best.

00:17:59.000 I mean, I'm not sure how you make that argument exactly.

00:18:02.000 And then they name instances where Trump was—those are the ones that are even questionable.

00:18:05.000 Here are the ones where he's obviously not being racist.

00:18:08.000 They say that Trump complains about the growing threat of radical Islamic terrorism abroad.

00:18:12.000 How in the world is that racist?

00:18:14.000 First, oh, Islam is not a religion. 1.00

00:18:16.000 What the hell are they talking about? 0.98

00:18:17.000 Or Trump criticizing crime rates in inner-city communities.

00:18:20.000 The whole point of him talking about that is to reduce the crime rates in the inner city communities.

00:18:24.000 That is literally the entire point of him talking about that.

00:18:27.000 But they lump that in with Trump's a racist. 0.95

00:18:29.000 Trump calling Obama lazy. 0.98

00:18:30.000 Okay, they're saying that's because he's racist against Obama. 1.00

00:18:33.000 Or is it because Trump calls everybody lazy and he's a jerk? 0.99

00:18:36.000 And is it also because Obama used to go golfing a lot? 1.00

00:18:39.000 I mean, it's just silly.

00:18:41.000 Then there are instances that lie somewhere in between, right?

00:18:43.000 Instances where it's not clear that this is because of racism, but it's convenient for people to talk about it as though it's because of racism.

00:18:49.000 So Trump's birtherism, for example, is that racism?

00:18:51.000 Or is it just that Donald Trump is saying that stuff because it was politically useful for him to do so at the time?

00:18:56.000 I mean, he basically admitted that he wasn't necessarily a birther.

00:18:59.000 He just wanted to pander to the birthers. 0.88

00:19:02.000 Is that racism?

00:19:02.000 Is it quasi-racism?

00:19:03.000 Not supremely clear.

00:19:05.000 My point is this.

00:19:06.000 Each one of these instances should be adjudicated on its own merits.

00:19:10.000 But what the media are trying to do by labeling Trump a racist is avoid having to adjudicate any of these on their own merits.

00:19:15.000 Now, everything Trump says is going to be painted with the brush of racism.

00:19:19.000 As I say, to go back to my framework, there are only three reasons why in politics you label somebody racist.

00:19:24.000 One is, you actually are thorough-going about whom you label a racist.

00:19:28.000 So, for example, I said that the Obama administration was a Jew-hating administration because of their treatment of Israel.

00:19:33.000 And I have said that people on the right, like Pat Buchanan, are Jew-hating because of their treatment of Israel.

00:19:38.000 I'm very consistent about how I address these particular topics.

00:19:41.000 The media are not.

00:19:42.000 They will never call Al Sharpton a racist.

00:19:44.000 In fact, they will quote Al Sharpton calling Trump a racist.

00:19:47.000 So the media are not consistent about this.

00:19:49.000 If you're not going to use the term racism in an actual consistent way, then it looks more like you're using it as a weapon.

00:19:59.000 Which is the second rationale for using the term racism, is to use it as a weapon, to shut people down.

00:20:02.000 To suggest that, like, I've been called a racist a thousand times. 0.98

00:20:06.000 I'm obviously not a racist, and anyone who calls me so is a jackass. 0.98

00:20:09.000 The idea that I'm a racist is absurd. 0.92

00:20:11.000 I have repeatedly and forcefully spoken out about racism at every opportunity that I can find.

00:20:16.000 But people call you a racist because they're attempting to shut down the debate, right?

00:20:19.000 It's the best epithet you can use in American politics. 0.53

00:20:22.000 And the media are doing that so they can drive Trump into the ground.

00:20:25.000 Finally, there's the third rationale, and that is the rationale I'm talking about.

00:20:28.000 It alleviates the media from the consequences of having to judge whether anything Trump does is specifically racist or not.

00:20:35.000 And there's something else, too.

00:20:37.000 If they don't have to do that, if they can label Trump a racist, and then something comes up that's at best dicey, right?

00:20:44.000 The bleephole comments being a case where it's dicey, right? 1.00

00:20:48.000 I would suggest that he never should have said them because Trump's stupidity and vagueness lead to problems for him on issues like this. 0.99

00:20:55.000 But they're two plausible reads of the situation. 0.99

00:20:57.000 Instead of offering the two plausible reads of the situation,

00:21:01.000 You see the media immediately jumping to everything he says is racist.

00:21:04.000 The media is doing something else here, too, which is if you don't label it racist, the media then labels you racist. 0.95

00:21:10.000 So the media will take an incident that is dicey, and then they'll say, obviously it's racist because Trump is racist.

00:21:15.000 And then if you say, well, but the situation is dicey, they say, no, no, no, you're a racist because you won't label it racist.

00:21:20.000 So it's a way for them to claim that there's institutional white privilege and nationalized racism happening whenever people disagree with the media about whether a particular incident is racist.

00:21:28.000 So there's an ulterior motive that is going on here from the media that I find really kind of gross with regard to calling President Trump racist.

00:21:36.000 I don't think this is coming from an honest place for a lot of people in the media who have not been honest about labeling racism wherever they see it.

00:21:43.000 They're fine with the—with

00:21:45.000 The Obama administration suggesting to black people that Mitt Romney is going to put them all back in chains.

00:21:51.000 That was fine. 0.83

00:21:52.000 But it's not fine.

00:21:53.000 But everything Trump says must be taken exactly the same way.

00:21:56.000 This smacks of media bias and the misuse of racism as a term of art in order to slander political opposition.

00:22:02.000 So, in just a second, I'm going to show you the proof of this.

00:22:03.000 I'm going to show you that the use of the racism term is very often about an ulterior motive.

00:22:10.000 In this particular case, it is about the situation with regard to immigration.

00:22:15.000 So, let's jump in there.

00:22:16.000 So, here is the latest.

00:22:18.000 So, all of this was happening in the context of a negotiation over DACA, over the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

00:22:23.000 All of this is happening in that context.

00:22:25.000 Trump is trying to make a deal.

00:22:27.000 And the deal is going to be that Trump is suggesting that he wants border security, the building of a wall, E-Verify, all of these goodies in return for allowing the Dreamers to stay, basically. 0.99

00:22:39.000 That's the deal.

00:22:40.000 And the Democrats are trying to sink the deal.

00:22:41.000 The Democrats don't want a deal.

00:22:42.000 The Democrats showed up.

00:22:44.000 to this meeting with Trump because they wanted to look like they want a deal.

00:22:47.000 They don't actually want a deal.

00:22:49.000 What they want is a clean DACA bill, which they made pretty clear during the meeting.

00:22:52.000 And now they have an excuse to have a clean DACA bill because they're going to go to Trump.

00:22:55.000 They're going to say, you're a racist.

00:22:56.000 Any policy that you prescribe is obviously motivated by racial animus.

00:22:59.000 Therefore, no.

00:23:00.000 Therefore, no.

00:23:01.000 And that's where they are going with this.

00:23:03.000 And Rand Paul hits this pretty much on the head.

00:23:04.000 He says, listen, you can't have an immigration compromise if everybody is busy calling Trump a racist.

00:23:10.000 But what I regret is I do want to see an immigration compromise, and you can't have an immigration compromise if everybody's out there calling the president a racist.

00:23:18.000 They're actually destroying the setting, and he was a little bit of it, but both sides now are destroying the setting in which anything meaningful can happen on immigration.

00:23:26.000 And I think that is 100% true.

00:23:28.000 I think it's being done on purpose as well.

00:23:29.000 I think that Democrats are jumping on these.

00:23:31.000 Remember, these comments were made in private.

00:23:33.000 Who leaked them to the media?

00:23:34.000 Dick Durbin.

00:23:36.000 Right?

00:23:36.000 It was Dick Durbin.

00:23:37.000 It was the Democrat.

00:23:38.000 These were not comments that were made in public.

00:23:39.000 Trump did not say these things for public consumption.

00:23:42.000 That doesn't alleviate the responsibility that he never should have said them, but it does show that the Democrats were leaking this information specifically to sink the DACA talks.

00:23:50.000 That was one of the things that they were doing.

00:23:53.000 And you see this from Republicans like Jeff Flake.

00:23:55.000 So Jeff Flake is beginning to irritate me.

00:23:57.000 I like a lot of the things that Jeff Flake has said in the past about the problems with the Trump administration.

00:24:01.000 I think a lot of those things are true.

00:24:03.000 But Jeff Flake obviously has an ulterior motive.

00:24:06.000 So he starts off by saying, Trump said over the weekend, Democrats are negotiating in bad faith.

00:24:10.000 The reason that they're making a big deal out of the bleephole comments is because they want to pull out of DACA.

00:24:14.000 And Jeff Flake says, no, no, no, the Democrats are negotiating in good faith.

00:24:17.000 They really are.

00:24:18.000 They're in good faith.

00:24:19.000 I mean, don't you see?

00:24:21.000 Those who benefit from this DACA bill will not be able to use chain migration to become citizens.

00:24:29.000 We just don't do it for everybody like the President wants to do.

00:24:34.000 If we want a comprehensive bill, I'm all in.

00:24:38.000 But we can't do a comprehensive bill which will take months and months to negotiate before the March 5th deadline.

00:24:46.000 And one thing I do take big issue with the President on is he is saying that the Democrats aren't moving forward in good faith.

00:24:53.000 I can tell you I've been negotiating and working with the Democrats on immigration for 17 years, and on this issue, on DACA or on the DREAM Act for a number of years, and the Democrats are negotiating in good faith.

00:25:07.000 So Flake says the Democrats are negotiating in good faith, but Flake is not honest, right?

00:25:10.000 Flake is not negotiating in good faith.

00:25:12.000 Flake is supposed to give a speech on the floor of the Senate today in which he terms Trump's language on the media Stalin-esque.

00:25:18.000 I'm not kidding about this.

00:25:19.000 He's actually going to use the term Stalin-esque to describe Trump's treatment of the media.

00:25:23.000 No one in the media has been arrested.

00:25:24.000 No one in the media has been shut down.

00:25:26.000 Nobody in the media has been silenced.

00:25:28.000 Nobody in the media is really having a problem under the Trump administration.

00:25:30.000 Everybody's ratings are up and access is better than it was under the Obama administration.

00:25:34.000 Plus, this is a supremely leaky

00:25:36.000 Trump administration.

00:25:37.000 But here is Flake suggesting that Trump is just like Stalin or something, but we're supposed to believe that he has no ulterior motive in going after Trump?

00:25:44.000 Well, I'm saying that he borrowed that phrase.

00:25:46.000 It was popularized by Joseph Stalin, used by Mao as well.

00:25:51.000 Enemy of the people.

00:25:52.000 It should be noted that Nikita Khrushchev, who followed Stalin, forbade its use, saying that that was too loaded, that it maligned a whole group or class of people, and it shouldn't be done.

00:26:06.000 I don't think that we should be using a phrase that's been rejected as to loaded by a Soviet dictator.

00:26:13.000 Listen, I didn't like the phrase when Trump used it either, but to suggest that Trump is somehow in line with Mao and Stalin is just insane.

00:26:20.000 These people are responsible for tens of millions of deaths. 0.87

00:26:23.000 It's just crazy.

00:26:23.000 But what is Flake's ulterior motive?

00:26:25.000 Here's Flake's ulterior motive.

00:26:26.000 He's asked whether he wants to run for president in 2020.

00:26:29.000 You say you should oppose him when you think he's wrong.

00:26:31.000 Do you think that there is a moral obligation or duty for someone else in your party to challenge him for the nomination in 2020?

00:26:37.000 I don't want to put it that way, but I think he will have a challenge.

00:26:42.000 Is it going to come from you?

00:26:43.000 He'll certainly have a challenge if somebody isn't independent, but I think he'll likely have a challenge in the Republican Party as well.

00:26:50.000 I'm not the only one, not the only Republican who is saying, you know, I'm not sure this is

00:26:58.000 This is my party.

00:26:59.000 Okay, so he's basically saying maybe I'll run.

00:27:02.000 Okay, so that's the ulterior motive right there.

00:27:04.000 So this is why I say when people start throwing around the racism charge, you have to determine whether they're doing it because this is just their honest assessment of the situation or whether there is another goal that is being pursued here.

00:27:13.000 Dick Durbin, another example.

00:27:14.000 Dick Durbin, again, is the guy who leaked the bleephole comments in the first place. 0.99

00:27:18.000 Again, this is not to absolve Trump of responsibility for saying something intensely stupid in front of Democrats, and maybe quasi-racist, depending on your interpretation. 0.98

00:27:27.000 But when Dirk Durbin suggests that he is somehow brokering in good faith, that's absurd. 0.97

00:27:34.000 I mean, he actually said over the weekend that the term chain migration is offensive to people whose ancestors came over in chain.

00:27:41.000 OK, the term chain migration, just to briefly explain, the term chain migration means that I come and then, like a chain, I pull in all of my relatives to come into the United States.

00:27:51.000 It has nothing to do with physical shackles used upon slaves.

00:27:55.000 That's absurd.

00:27:56.000 But here's Dick Durbin, a guy who once compared American soldiers to Pol Pot and the Nazis on the floor of the Senate, suggesting that Trump shouldn't use terms like chain migration because it's offensive to black people.

00:28:05.000 ...to the issue of, quote, chain migration.

00:28:09.000 I said to the president, do you realize how painful that term is to so many people?

00:28:14.000 Come on.

00:28:14.000 African Americans believe that they migrated to America in chains.

00:28:19.000 And when you speak about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

00:28:23.000 And he said, oh, that's a good line.

00:28:25.000 I mean, come on.

00:28:27.000 Come on.

00:28:28.000 Dick Durbin wants to sink these talks.

00:28:30.000 That's the whole purpose of sending him.

00:28:31.000 Trump should have known that.

00:28:32.000 Trump should have been wary when he was in the room with him. 1.00

00:28:34.000 It's dumb of Trump. 0.90

00:28:35.000 But again, I think that when you're in political situations, it is imperative that you be a little more cynical than just suggesting that everybody is operating in the best of faith and that everyone was so deeply offended that Trump said something. 0.98

00:28:47.000 Okay, let's be real about this.

00:28:48.000 They all know who Trump is.

00:28:49.000 Everybody knows who Trump is at this point. 0.97

00:28:50.000 And the idea that everyone is sitting around being deeply offended at Trump, not using that offense as sort of a faux outrage in order to sink DACA talks is silly.

00:28:58.000 Obviously, one thing has very much to do with another here.

00:29:03.000 And again, none of this is to deny that Trump has done or said racist things in the past.

00:29:06.000 I don't think that's deniable, frankly.

00:29:09.000 But I think the idea that Trump is overall a racist?

00:29:12.000 Yeah, as I get older, I'm more and more hesitant.

00:29:14.000 I think when I was younger, it's easier to just label people as a whole.

00:29:17.000 Somebody's a hero, somebody's a villain, that's a good person, that's a bad person.

00:29:21.000 The reality is that as you get older, you tend to try and determine on a one-by-one basis, calling balls and strikes.

00:29:27.000 There's a person who's trustworthy, somebody who you trust.

00:29:30.000 There might be a person that dictates your action.

00:29:33.000 Your action toward them is dictated by your view of their character.

00:29:35.000 This person doesn't have character.

00:29:36.000 But I think that

00:29:39.000 That can only be used as a backdrop.

00:29:41.000 It can't be used as the dispositive statement about every one of their actions.

00:29:45.000 You may believe, in other words, that Trump is a racist, but it's still incumbent on you to analyze every one of his actions and determine whether that is a racist action or statement, and not just jump to the conclusion based on your perception of his worldview that you don't have full evidence for, is I think where I would go with that, and I think it's true in everyday life as well.

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00:31:38.000 So it looks like the Me Too movement is now devolving and that it has gone wildly wrong.

00:31:42.000 As evidence for this, there is a piece in a magazine called Babe.

00:31:46.000 I'd never heard of it before.

00:31:48.000 And it was written by a woman named Katie Way.

00:31:50.000 And Katie Way details anonymous allegations by a photographer who had an awkward and terrible intimate evening with comedian Aziz Ansari.

00:31:57.000 I want to explain those allegations in just a second and show you in detail why the Me Too movement is off the rails.

00:32:02.000 First, I think it is necessary to quote a woman because I don't want to mansplain this to you.

00:32:06.000 I think that we need to stop with the womansplaining of men's motives. 1.00

00:32:10.000 Right? 0.98

00:32:10.000 The womansplaining of men's motives, this idea that women can read men's minds and they know that we're all pigs and all evil and all nasty and all terrible and all brutish and all willing to overcome their consent, and that they are always in danger of rape. 0.98

00:32:19.000 Don't womansplain to me my own mind, okay? 0.98

00:32:21.000 I'm not going to mansplain to you your mind, but you don't get to womansplain to me my mind either, okay?

00:32:26.000 We can have general views of how people should use their rationality, and I think that's perfectly fine.

00:32:31.000 But to attribute motivations to men generally,

00:32:34.000 I think that the movement to expose these circumstances is a good thing.

00:32:37.000 Let's clear the air about it.

00:32:55.000 I do think we have to be a little bit careful.

00:32:57.000 Let's not turn women into snowflakes. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Let's not infantilize women. 0.97

00:33:04.000 And what I really don't want to happen is I don't want it to get to a place that men start to think, well, maybe it's just better not to have women around.

00:33:15.000 Well, and unfortunately, that's the way that it is going, because if every activity by a man can be perceived as sexual assault or sexual harassment, men will stop hiring women.

00:33:23.000 They will.

00:33:23.000 They will stop working with women.

00:33:25.000 This actually happened in the aftermath of the American with Disabilities Act.

00:33:28.000 The idea was that if you are a workplace, you now have to install, if you have a disabled employee, you have to install ramps everywhere and all the rest of it.

00:33:34.000 You can't just have an elevator or somebody help you up the stairs.

00:33:37.000 You actually have to have ramps.

00:33:38.000 And so the employment for Americans with disabilities actually declined, or actually went down.

00:33:43.000 So that's a serious consequence.

00:33:47.000 When she says that consent is being dumbed down, that agency is being dumbed down, this is 100% true.

00:33:52.000 Now men are not only supposed to determine whether a woman wants to do something, they're supposed to decide for the woman whether she wants to do something.

00:33:59.000 The case in point is this Aziz Ansari case.

00:34:01.000 So let me start with this. 1.00

00:34:01.000 I think Aziz Ansari is a jerk. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Yeah, Aziz Ansari sounds like a douchebag, and Aziz Ansari, he's one of these guys who wears the Time's Up button and then sounds like he treats women in a kind of trashy fashion. 1.00

00:34:12.000 But this story is not a story of sexual assault. 0.99

00:34:15.000 It's a bad penthouse letter.

00:34:17.000 That's all it is.

00:34:18.000 Okay, and this was printed, and it got all sorts of play, and Aziz Ansari was essentially accused of sexual assault allegations.

00:34:25.000 It's really insane.

00:34:27.000 Okay, so Ansari is a nincompoop, as Matt Walsh points out, but

00:34:30.000 This woman who calls herself Grace, she met Ansari at the Emmy Awards in 2017.

00:34:35.000 She approaches him, he blows her off, but she ends up leaving with Ansari's number in her phone anyway, and then they go on a date, and then Ansari only offers her white wine even though she prefers red.

00:34:45.000 Okay, like, presumably she could have said something about it, but then he wants to get her back to his place.

00:34:49.000 Okay, now at this point, if you are a person with any semblance of rationality, you're thinking, the guy basically wants to rush through dinner to get me back to his apartment.

00:34:57.000 What do you think is going to happen at his apartment?

00:35:00.000 Is he desperate to go home and play Parcheesi?

00:35:02.000 Does Aziz Ansari really want this woman to go back home with him and they're just gonna play Twister? 0.80

00:35:07.000 Like, with their clothes on?

00:35:08.000 Like, that's really his intent?

00:35:10.000 Going back?

00:35:11.000 Of course not.

00:35:11.000 The woman knows going back that probably some sexual interplay is going to happen there.

00:35:15.000 So the two start going at it.

00:35:17.000 As Matt Walsh points out, as soon as they arrive in their apartment, they take their clothes off, they perform various acts of sex.

00:35:22.000 Here's the actual story, right?

00:35:23.000 So she says he resumed kissing her.

00:35:26.000 Okay, so first of all, they get undressed.

00:35:28.000 Ansari says that he wants to grab a prophylactic, and the woman objects, saying, whoa, let's relax for a second, let's chill.

00:35:33.000 And then she continues.

00:35:34.000 She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed certain sex acts upon her, and asked her to do the same thing to him, which she did, but not for long.

00:35:40.000 Quote, it was really quick.

00:35:41.000 Everything was pretty much touched and done within 10 minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.

00:35:45.000 At no point in here did she ever say, no, I'm uncomfortable with this, let's stop.

00:35:48.000 And when she did, guess what?

00:35:50.000 He stopped.

00:35:51.000 She accused Ansari of pulling her hand toward his genitals several times, but she never got up to leave.

00:35:56.000 And every time she said no, or evidenced that she didn't want to do something, he stopped.

00:36:00.000 So he was persistent, but he was not physically moving her, he was not physically forcing her.

00:36:05.000 When she said no, he didn't stop her.

00:36:06.000 When she pulled away, he didn't stop her.

00:36:09.000 But here's what she says.

00:36:10.000 Throughout the course of her short time in the apartment, she says she'd verbal and nonverbal cues to indicate how uncomfortable and distressed she was.

00:36:16.000 Well, you could have quoted it.

00:36:16.000 Did she ever say, I don't want to do this?

00:36:18.000 In fact, one time she does say, I don't want to do this. 0.92

00:36:20.000 And that's have full-on penetrative sex. 0.58

00:36:22.000 She says, I don't want to do this. 0.98

00:36:23.000 And guess what?

00:36:24.000 They don't.

00:36:25.000 Right?

00:36:26.000 The woman says, I know I was physically giving off cues I wasn't interested.

00:36:30.000 OK.

00:36:30.000 This idea that you know you were physically giving off cues, unless you were actively pushing him away, the idea that you were physically giving off cues that you're not interested,

00:36:38.000 Men aren't good with these cues.

00:36:40.000 Okay, men are not good with these physical cues.

00:36:42.000 You may have thought that you were sitting there saying, no, I'm not interested.

00:36:47.000 But if you are not at like, really, to expect him to read your nonverbal cues is insane.

00:36:53.000 People are bad at reading each other's cues generally.

00:36:56.000 But this is particularly true when hormones are running high and you're in a room naked with each other.

00:37:01.000 It turns out that's a pretty big nonverbal cue to a dude that you might want to have sex.

00:37:05.000 If you're in a room naked with a guy, making out with him, and performing certain sex acts with one another, we could call that a non-verbal cue that you might be into things.

00:37:15.000 And you know how I know this?

00:37:16.000 Because I'm married, and when my wife doesn't want to have sex with me, she's not in a room naked with me, it turns out. 0.98

00:37:20.000 Amazing how this works.

00:37:22.000 Okay, and then the cues, as I say, the cues were at best ambiguous.

00:37:26.000 She told Ansari she didn't want to have sex because she didn't want to feel forced.

00:37:29.000 He said, okay. 0.99

00:37:30.000 And then they sat on the couch and he asked her for another sex act. 0.98

00:37:33.000 And here's what it says. 0.97

00:37:35.000 Ansari instructed her to turn around. 1.00

00:37:36.000 He sat back and pointed to his genitals and motioned for me to perform the sex act. 1.00

00:37:40.000 And I did. 0.99

00:37:41.000 I think I just felt really pressured.

00:37:44.000 It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment, because I told him I was uncomfortable.

00:37:48.000 Was it the most unexpected thing you thought was going to happen at that moment?

00:37:51.000 Like, more expected than a dragon popping through the window and blowing flame at you?

00:37:54.000 Was it the most unexpected thing? 0.75

00:37:55.000 That you were in the middle of a sexual evening, and he asked you to perform a sex act that you had already performed earlier in the evening, and then he did it.

00:38:04.000 Was it the most unexpected thing?

00:38:07.000 Like, really, was it shocking to you?

00:38:09.000 You never could have imagined it.

00:38:11.000 It was like Chris Farley coming back to life and busting through the apartment door.

00:38:14.000 Like, that would have been more unexpected, I feel like.

00:38:16.000 I feel like a pizza arriving at that moment might have been more unexpected.

00:38:20.000 I feel like... I feel like the new episode of Game of Thrones dropping might have been more... Like, there are a few things in life that might have been a little more unexpected than you in the middle of having a bunch of sex acts with a guy, him asking you to perform something, then you doing it.

00:38:30.000 Also, which part of the nonverbal cue was it when you started actually performing the sex act?

00:38:35.000 Again, the woman can feel however she wants. 1.00

00:38:37.000 I'm sure she felt used.

00:38:38.000 I'm sure she felt awkward.

00:38:40.000 Because she shouldn't have been there in the first place.

00:38:43.000 She can make that choice.

00:38:44.000 But then she doesn't get to say the next day, By the way, he should have figured out that I felt awkward.

00:38:48.000 He asked you to do something and you did it.

00:38:51.000 I don't know how he's supposed to read your mind. 1.00

00:38:53.000 Again, it doesn't make Aziz Ansari any less of a jerk. 0.99

00:38:56.000 It doesn't mean he's not gross. 0.99

00:38:58.000 It doesn't mean that you ought to feel like, that you have no right to feel how you want to feel.

00:39:03.000 You can feel however you want to feel.

00:39:04.000 But what we are arguing about now is whether there is an objective measure by which Aziz Ansari, he disobeyed your consent.

00:39:12.000 That there is some objective measure by which we could lock Aziz Ansari up or ruin his career over this.

00:39:17.000 And the answer I'm finding is no.

00:39:19.000 Okay, this is a bad Penthouse Diary entry.

00:39:22.000 Nothing in the piece suggests Ansari took advantage of the woman. 0.99

00:39:24.000 She acquiesced to performing oral sex not once but twice. 0.99

00:39:27.000 No physical force was alleged at any time. 0.97

00:39:30.000 Okay, and then she says, well, you know, I texted him afterward.

00:39:32.000 She said, I texted him afterward.

00:39:34.000 Okay, she says, and she did, she texted him.

00:39:36.000 He texted her and said, thanks, it was nice to meet you last night.

00:39:39.000 Which, by the way, shows there is something wildly wrong with our sexual culture.

00:39:42.000 Right, you literally met and then you had this evening and then you text, it was nice to meet you?

00:39:47.000 We've totally reversed the polarity and the order of when you're supposed to have sex in American society. 0.88

00:39:52.000 The way I grew up was, you get to know a woman, you get to love a woman, you marry a woman, you commit to a woman, and then you have sex with the woman. 0.97

00:39:59.000 And we've completely reversed all of those things, right? 0.61

00:40:01.000 Now it's, we'll have sex and maybe it was fun, maybe it wasn't, and I'll text you the next day, maybe.

00:40:06.000 And then you're surprised that men aren't picking up the cues? 1.00

00:40:09.000 Men are stupid, particularly with regard to sex. 1.00

00:40:12.000 Men are morons. 1.00

00:40:13.000 Okay, this is... I'm fully unaware as to when culture... I don't understand when culture decided that men were brilliant with regards to their penises. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Like, this has never been true in the history of humanity. 0.80

00:40:25.000 Like, going all the way back to Adam and Eve.

00:40:26.000 Like, men are not smart with regard to this stuff.

00:40:28.000 But now men are supposed to be Carnac the Magnificent.

00:40:31.000 And they're supposed to be able to mind read.

00:40:34.000 I mean, really, this is the end of MeToo.

00:40:35.000 If you want a MeToo movement that means something, you actually have to restrict bad activity to activity that has some sort of standard.

00:40:42.000 And there are people who are tweeting out, well, you know, there are various levels of consent.

00:40:45.000 I actually agree that there are various levels of consent.

00:40:48.000 Which is why committed relationships are useful.

00:40:50.000 And why you shouldn't have sex with men you don't know.

00:40:52.000 Because when you know people, then you are more likely to take into account the various levels of consent.

00:40:57.000 There are times when women are reluctant to have sex and they're more reluctant and what a man will do if he loves the woman and they have a committed relationship will say, OK, she's more reluctant.

00:41:05.000 She'll do it if I push her a little bit and it won't be like I'm raping her, but she's more reluctant and maybe I'll just let it go this time. 0.73

00:41:11.000 But the guy is like in this situation, she's there for sex. 0.99

00:41:15.000 He's there for sex. 0.96

00:41:15.000 They just met. 0.96

00:41:16.000 He brought her back to his apartment.

00:41:17.000 You think that Aziz Ansari really cares for this girl?

00:41:20.000 Obviously not.

00:41:22.000 And then she's using his texts against her, right?

00:41:23.000 So she texts that, I think the actual text said something like, I'm trying to find the actual text, here it is.

00:41:32.000 She texted a friend, she had to say no a lot, he wanted sex.

00:41:37.000 Okay, and then she said no a lot, and then he didn't have sex with her.

00:41:39.000 Also, had to say no a lot used to be the standard definition of male-female relationships. 0.97

00:41:44.000 Guess what?

00:41:46.000 Women say no a lot to men. 1.00

00:41:47.000 And good men respect the no.

00:41:48.000 Okay, later she texted Ansari, last night might have been fun for you, but it wasn't for me.

00:41:52.000 You ignored clear nonverbal cues.

00:41:53.000 Again, nonverbal cues.

00:41:55.000 Maybe he didn't ignore them.

00:41:56.000 Maybe he was just being persistent because sometimes nonverbal cues are ambiguous. 0.69

00:42:01.000 Like, again, being naked and performing sex acts with one another.

00:42:03.000 And she says, you kept going with advances. 0.67

00:42:05.000 I want to make sure you're aware so maybe the next girl doesn't have to cry on the ride home. 1.00

00:42:08.000 Ansari replied, I'm so sad to hear this.

00:42:10.000 Clearly I misread things in the moment.

00:42:11.000 I'm truly sorry. 0.65

00:42:12.000 And then they're reading that as evidence that he's admitting that he raped her or something.

00:42:17.000 Okay, that's him being mildly polite. 0.99

00:42:19.000 What are you going to say to this crazy lady? 1.00

00:42:22.000 Okay, are you really going to say to this woman? 0.99

00:42:24.000 You know what?

00:42:24.000 You're wrong.

00:42:25.000 I didn't read those non-verbal cues.

00:42:27.000 And then she blows it up.

00:42:28.000 He's hoping if I just say something nice then she goes away.

00:42:30.000 That's what Aziz Ansari is hoping. 1.00

00:42:31.000 Okay, all of this is stupid. 1.00

00:42:33.000 And it's why the MeToo movement is doing itself a massive disservice. 1.00

00:42:38.000 Right?

00:42:38.000 The Me Too movement is doing itself a massive disservice.

00:42:41.000 Of course the woman feels used, because she was used. 1.00

00:42:44.000 But she made the decision to be there and be used and give off a lot of nonverbal cues that suggest that she wanted to be used. 0.95

00:42:49.000 And the fact she felt bad about it the next day or during the act?

00:42:52.000 You know what's the easiest way to not feel bad about things?

00:42:54.000 Don't do them.

00:42:55.000 That's the easiest way to not feel bad about things.

00:42:57.000 And don't expect the guy to care for you, or be nice to you, or be cordial to you, or make up your mind for you.

00:43:03.000 By the way, if he had said, listen, I don't think you really want to have sex right now.

00:43:07.000 And she could have come out the next day and said, he deprived me of my agency. 0.88

00:43:09.000 I really did want to have sex then. 0.57

00:43:11.000 And he was making up my mind for me.

00:43:13.000 You can't have it both ways on this.

00:43:15.000 Either you are responsible for your own consent or you are not responsible for your own consent, particularly in situations where you don't love the person you're having sex with and it's not in the confines of anything remotely resembling a committed relationship.

00:43:26.000 Okay, so now I want to move on to the situation in Hawaii, from one disaster area to another.

00:43:30.000 So, over the weekend, there was a false alarm that went out in Hawaii.

00:43:35.000 That suggested that there was a nuclear attack imminent in Hawaii.

00:43:39.000 And people went nuts.

00:43:39.000 So people were actually taking their kids and putting them in storm drains and then taping it, which I don't know why you would do this.

00:43:45.000 You want this for the family album later?

00:43:47.000 I'm always bewildered.

00:43:48.000 It's in the middle of an emergency and people are grabbing their phones to tape the emergency as opposed to, you know, getting to a safe place.

00:43:53.000 In any case, here's a little bit of this tape.

00:43:54.000 This one is open.

00:43:54.000 The other one is a little bit bigger.

00:44:03.000 OK, so they're putting the kid in the storm drain, which is just great. 0.99

00:44:06.000 And then Jim Carrey, of course, blamed Trump, which makes perfect sense, because it's somehow Trump's fault that some idiot in Hawaii, on a state level, hit the button that said that there is a nuclear attack imminent. 0.96

00:44:16.000 So he said, I woke up this morning in Hawaii with 10 minutes to live. 0.97

00:44:19.000 It was a false alarm, but a real psychic warning.

00:44:21.000 If we allow this one-man Gamora and his corrupt Republican Congress to continue alienating the world, we are all headed for suffering beyond all imagination.

00:44:28.000 Then Jim Carrey tweeted out a picture of a mushroom cloud.

00:44:33.000 What now?

00:44:34.000 What does Trump have to do with any of this?

00:44:36.000 This is a state that is run by Democrats.

00:44:38.000 I'm confused.

00:44:40.000 In fact, the state is so incompetent at this that the worker was not even fired.

00:44:43.000 The worker was reassigned.

00:44:45.000 I'm not joking.

00:44:45.000 The worker is still working.

00:44:48.000 They just moved him to a different area.

00:44:49.000 It's so hard to fire government employees that when you send out an alert to your entire state that everyone's about to be nuked in 10 minutes, you retain your job.

00:44:56.000 Okay, the government may be too big and too bad at everything that it does.

00:45:00.000 So, no, this is not Trump's fault, okay? 0.99

00:45:02.000 I know you want to blame Trump for everything, but no, this one is actually not Trump's fault, and that's really, really, really, really, really stupid. 0.93

00:45:07.000 Okay, so time for some things I like and then some things that I hate, and we will do a Federalist paper. 0.96

00:45:12.000 So...

00:45:13.000 Things I like.

00:45:34.000 That's not true.

00:45:51.000 We don't care that much about his economic policy.

00:45:53.000 CNN is trying to make it that we care about his economic policy. 0.96

00:45:55.000 That's just silly. 0.67

00:45:56.000 OK? 0.83

00:45:57.000 This is the same thing the left tries to do with George Washington, where George Washington is honored because he's the father of the country, not because he held slaves.

00:46:03.000 But they say, well, it's really his slave owners, it's his status as a slave owner that matters.

00:46:08.000 No, no, no.

00:46:08.000 OK, in any case, if you want kind of the basic take on Martin Luther King Jr.,

00:46:12.000 And why it's good and what you should read to your kid today.

00:46:14.000 There's a great book called I Am Martin Luther King Jr.

00:46:16.000 It's by Brad Meltzer.

00:46:17.000 It's illustrated by Christopher Eliopoulos.

00:46:20.000 I believe I've recommended at least one of these books in the series before.

00:46:25.000 There's one about Jackie Robinson that's quite good.

00:46:27.000 There's one about Albert Einstein that's very good.

00:46:29.000 I think I recommended I Am George Washington, which is also a favorite of my daughter's.

00:46:32.000 And the whole point of this book is it really does tell the basic story of Martin Luther King Jr.

00:46:37.000 Sounds like a good idea.

00:46:57.000 So I have to show you the final play of the Viking Saints game.

00:47:00.000 If you didn't see this, and you're not a football fan, this will make you into a football fan.

00:47:04.000 So the Saints were leading 24-23, and you're about to watch the worst missed tackle in the history of the NFL right here.

00:47:11.000 And it leads to the Vikings winning the game on a miracle play.

00:47:19.000 Okay, so that's an insane play.

00:47:35.000 That guy, that mistackle is just a career ender. 1.00

00:47:38.000 I mean, if you can't see it, the fellow from the Saints, I don't know the defensive back's name, that is inexcusable.

00:47:44.000 I mean, just a basic mistackle. 0.56

00:47:47.000 Holy moly.

00:47:48.000 How do you miss that tackle?

00:47:49.000 That's insane.

00:47:50.000 And then they run into each other, which turns into a Benny Hill sequence.

00:47:53.000 But, great play.

00:47:55.000 And now, we get the fantastic spectacle of watching two of the worst quarterbacks in the league go after each other next week.

00:48:00.000 It's Nick Foles versus Case Keenum.

00:48:01.000 So, that'll be awesome in the NFC Championship game.

00:48:05.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate, and then we'll do a Federalist Paper.

00:48:13.000 Okay, the quick thing that I hate, we'll talk about Trump and paying $130,000 allegedly to a porn star tomorrow.

00:48:19.000 I really don't have much to say on that other than...

00:48:21.000 Like, are we shocked?

00:48:23.000 Are we surprised?

00:48:24.000 It's not something I hate because it's something that I sort of figured.

00:48:27.000 I mean, Donald Trump is not, speaking of people who are not particularly smart about where they put their wing-wing, the president definitely falls into that list.

00:48:36.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:48:38.000 Chelsea Manning now wants to run for U.S. 1.00

00:48:39.000 Senate.

00:48:40.000 So I think this is just great.

00:48:40.000 We've got Joe Arpaio running for the Senate on the right.

00:48:43.000 We've got Chelsea Manning running for the Senate on the left. 1.00

00:48:45.000 And this is the campaign ad for Chelsea Manning in the U.S.

00:48:48.000 Senate. 0.97

00:48:48.000 Chelsea Manning, of course, is a traitor. 0.97

00:48:50.000 We live in trying times. 0.96

00:49:20.000 Times of fear.

00:49:26.000 Of suppression.

00:49:29.000 Did Anonymous cut this ad?

00:49:30.000 Of hate.

00:49:32.000 We don't need more or better leaders.

00:49:40.000 We need someone willing to fight.

00:49:43.000 We need to stop asking them to give us our rights.

00:49:47.000 They won't support us.

00:49:49.000 They won't compromise.

00:49:52.000 We need to stop expecting that our systems will somehow fix themselves.

00:49:57.000 We need to actually take the reins of power from them.

00:50:01.000 We need to challenge them at every level.

00:50:04.000 Holding a rose right now?

00:50:08.000 We don't need them anymore.

00:50:11.000 We can do better.

00:50:14.000 What is this? 0.95

00:50:14.000 Damn right we got this. 0.95

00:50:17.000 OK, we got this is Chelsea Manning's hashtag. 0.78

00:50:21.000 And Chelsea Manning uses emoji.

00:50:22.000 Like, the actual ad has on it emojis and hashtags.

00:50:26.000 Chelsea Manning has some serious problems.

00:50:28.000 OK, Chelsea Manning, and I'm not even talking about the transgenderism right now.

00:50:30.000 I'm talking about the serious problems Chelsea Manning has with being a traitor and then thinking that he is going to run for U.S. 0.99

00:50:37.000 Senate.

00:50:38.000 Hashtag we got this.

00:50:39.000 Rainbow flag.

00:50:41.000 Emoji sunglasses.

00:50:43.000 If that gets in the United States Senate, if Chelsea Manning is in the United States Senate, if that person is in the United States Senate, I mean, just, whatever. 0.99

00:50:49.000 I guess it wouldn't, let's be frank, it wouldn't decline the quality of the Senate that much.

00:50:53.000 Probably.

00:50:54.000 I mean, ugh.

00:50:55.000 Okay, time for a quick Federalist paper.

00:50:57.000 So every week we do a Federalist paper.

00:50:58.000 Here's a quick summary of Federalist 11.

00:51:00.000 Federalist 11 is by Alexander Hamilton.

00:51:02.000 This one has to do with trade negotiation.

00:51:03.000 Hamilton making the case for the Constitution of the United States and the federal government.

00:51:07.000 He says other countries want to divide us on trade in order to make us less powerful.

00:51:11.000 That's basically why we should have one country so that we can negotiate with other countries on an equal level.

00:51:16.000 He also says we need to build a powerful Navy so that we can have a chance of being a powerful nation.

00:51:21.000 And then he makes a fantastic point, a really interesting one.

00:51:23.000 I actually want to read it to you.

00:51:24.000 It's only a couple sentences.

00:51:26.000 This is from Hamilton, talking about what the U.S.'

00:51:28.000 's role in the world can be in overthrowing European visions of ethnocentrism.

00:51:32.000 It's really fascinating. 0.91

00:51:33.000 He says, remember, Alexander Hamilton grew up outside the United States as a bastard child. 0.96

00:51:38.000 He said, 0.60

00:51:39.000 By her arms and by her negotiations, by force and by fraud, has in different degrees extended her dominion over them all. 0.67

00:51:44.000 Africa, Asia, and America have felt successively her domination. 0.93

00:51:48.000 The superiority she has long maintained has tempted her to plume herself as mistress of the world and to consider the rest of mankind as created for her benefit. 0.98

00:51:55.000 All right.

00:52:14.000 We're good to go.

00:52:33.000 He's basically saying that Europe has essentially seen itself as the leader because it has victimized other countries.

00:52:38.000 Let's become a non-victim country, and then we'll demonstrate to everyone that Americans are not a lesser stock.

00:52:43.000 And it's interesting, you can apply that same logic everywhere across the world.

00:52:46.000 The best revenge against racism is dominance.

00:52:49.000 The best revenge against ethnocentrism is success. 1.00

00:52:51.000 The best revenge against the stupidity of people saying that 1.00

00:52:55.000 You can't be a good immigrant if you're from Haiti, is the Haitian success rate, right? 1.00

00:52:59.000 That's the best revenge.

00:53:00.000 And Alexander Hamilton talks about it explicitly in Federalist 11, which is quite fascinating and I think appropriate for Martin Luther King Day.

00:53:06.000 Okay, so we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest.

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