The Ben Shapiro Show - Is Trump On The Brink? | Ep. 356

00:00:00.000 Google cracks down on the right.

00:00:01.000 H.R.

00:00:02.000 McMaster under fire from the alt-right.

00:00:04.000 Plus, Chelsea Handler goes full fascist. 0.99

00:00:06.000 We'll talk about all of that and more.

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00:00:38.000 Lots to get to today.

00:00:39.000 We're going to talk about Chelsea Handler going full Nazi. 0.99

00:00:42.000 We're also going to talk about the Google memo, this Google manifesto that has been making the rounds.

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00:02:20.000 Okay, so, tons of things to get to today, as always.

00:02:23.000 I want to start with this amazing story out of Google.

00:02:26.000 Apparently, a Jerry Maguire-type figure, some rando at Google, decided to put out a 10-page manifesto.

00:02:33.000 It's a 10-page manifesto called Google's Ideological Echo Chamber.

00:02:36.000 And you can sort of imagine Tom Cruise, as the Google exec, writing out this 10-page manifesto, Xeroxing it, putting it in all of the boxes over at the sports agency, and then getting fired.

00:02:46.000 That's pretty much what happened.

00:02:47.000 Okay, this guy, he's a random guy who's kept his name anonymous, he wrote this memo called Google's Ideological Echo Chamber and then Google's Vice President of Diversity, Integrity, and Governance, which is the most Orwellian title in history, Danielle Brown, issued her own memo.

00:03:01.000 So I want to go through this memo because the left has claimed

00:03:03.000 This is just a disgrace to Google.

00:03:05.000 It's just terrible.

00:03:06.000 How dare this individual human being put out this memo?

00:03:10.000 Now, what's hilarious is Gizmodo, which is a lefty site, they say it's just humiliating to Google that someone would put out a document pointing out that perhaps Google's pay disparity between men and women is not due to discrimination.

00:03:21.000 It's due to women working fewer hours or taking different jobs. 1.00

00:03:23.000 Maybe it's due to the fact that fewer women are hired in tech because there are fewer women at the upper end of the bell curve in terms of performance in tech. 1.00

00:03:33.000 Which is true.

00:03:33.000 You know, perhaps it's because that's the memo says.

00:03:36.000 And Gizmodo was very angry at the memo, so when they put up the memo, they omitted all of the charts and links that were included in the memo.

00:03:43.000 Which is really quite gross.

00:03:43.000 If you're going to include the entire memo, you really should include the charts and links, demonstrating that it's substantiated.

00:03:48.000 It's not just some crazy person, some men's right activist radical, who's issuing all of this information.

00:03:54.000 I want to go through this because it's so moderate, this particular memo, and the left is treating it as insane anyway.

00:04:00.000 So,

00:04:01.000 This memo begins—remember, it's all about Google, which is the largest company in the United States, I believe.

00:04:06.000 Is Google bigger than Apple?

00:04:07.000 I mean, those two are in a competition.

00:04:08.000 I'm not sure.

00:04:09.000 But Google is obviously the most powerful force on the internet, anyway.

00:04:13.000 And Google is very angry about this.

00:04:14.000 So, the guy from Google writes this.

00:04:16.000 He says,

00:04:22.000 Okay, so already we have started off with somebody who's moderate, okay?

00:04:25.000 This is not somebody who's coming in and just trying to shock, okay?

00:04:28.000 This is not feminism is cancer, the memo, okay? 1.00

00:04:31.000 This is something different.

00:04:32.000 It says, when addressing the gap in representation in the population, we need to look at population level differences in distributions.

00:04:38.000 If we can't have an honest discussion about this, we can never truly solve the problem.

00:04:42.000 Psychological safety is built on mutual respect and acceptance, but unfortunately our culture of shaming and misrepresentation is disrespectful and unaccepting of anyone outside its echo chamber.

00:04:51.000 And then he goes on to explain why it is that men are being paid differently than women at Google and why the employment is different.

00:04:56.000 And one of the things that he talks about is something that Lawrence Summers, the former president of Harvard, who was ousted for mentioning this little fact that nobody wants to talk about, is the bell curve when it comes to distributions regarding math and science.

00:05:08.000 So when it comes to men versus women, there are brain differences on average between men and women.

00:05:12.000 There are individual women who outperform men.

00:05:14.000 There are individual men who outperform women.

00:05:16.000 Okay?

00:05:16.000 But we're not talking about individuals now.

00:05:18.000 We are talking about the broad scope of humanity.

00:05:21.000 So we are really talking about on average.

00:05:23.000 So, if you look at the bell curve of women, the bell curve for women in the maths and sciences 1.00

00:05:30.000 Is relatively steep.

00:05:32.000 So it looks something like this, right?

00:05:34.000 And what that means is that there are a lot of women who are close to the average. 1.00

00:05:37.000 There are a lot of women who are just below average. 0.99

00:05:39.000 A lot of women who are just above average. 0.96

00:05:41.000 But when you get to the tails, the tails are very skinny.

00:05:43.000 Because that means that when you get to the very, very upper echelon of performance, and the very, very lower echelons of performance, there are not a lot of women there, right?

00:05:49.000 Most of the women are in the middle. 1.00

00:05:51.000 More than with the men.

00:05:52.000 So the men, it's a shallower bell curve.

00:05:54.000 So what you end up with is something that looks a little bit more like that.

00:05:57.000 So what that means is that there are fewer men in the middle.

00:05:59.000 The average score might be very close to the same, but there are fewer men that are actually close to the middle, and there are a lot more men at the top end.

00:06:05.000 So if the tail of that bell curve is thicker for men and thinner for women, that means that if you were just to take a cross section of the bell curve all the way out here at the extremes of performance, in terms of really high performance or really low performance, you're going to get a lot more men than you are women. 0.73

00:06:18.000 For every woman, there will be several men. 0.99

00:06:20.000 Okay, so when you're talking about a top company like Google, that means that on average you will probably get more male applicants than female applicants who meet your minimum standards.

00:06:29.000 Okay, that's not a rip on women. 1.00

00:06:30.000 That's not saying women are stupid. 1.00

00:06:31.000 That is saying that women's brains function differently than men's on average. 0.98

00:06:34.000 There are areas where women dramatically outperform men.

00:06:36.000 I believe spatial differences is one of them.

00:06:38.000 There are other areas when it comes to anything having to do with empathy and compassion.

00:06:44.000 Women generally outperform men on all of the IQ tests.

00:06:46.000 But when it comes to when it comes to math and scientists, I mean, this is not sexist because it's just reality.

00:06:52.000 OK, this is one of those facts don't care about your feelings moments.

00:06:54.000 The bell curves for men and women do not look exactly the same.

00:06:57.000 OK, so this guy goes on in the memo to explain this.

00:06:59.000 He says Google's political bias.

00:07:02.000 Has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety.

00:07:05.000 But shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.

00:07:08.000 So now he's making my point, the one I make on campus all the time.

00:07:10.000 Whenever you talk about psychological safety, and you suggest that differences of opinion are unsafe, what you are really doing is shutting down people who disagree with you.

00:07:18.000 If you are going to equate words and violence, then you're going to end up in this uncomfortable area where somebody else's words are violence to you.

00:07:27.000 This author says, And then he says, So this is the case against affirmative action and diversity screening.

00:07:50.000 And then he talks about Google's biases.

00:07:52.000 He says, And then he goes through left biases.

00:07:53.000 And he actually is taking this, I believe, from Jonathan Haidt's The Righteous Mind.

00:07:56.000 So all of this is well substantiated, okay?

00:07:58.000 He's not just making things up.

00:08:09.000 This is not just him trying to be mean to women or anything.

00:08:12.000 He talks about left biases being compassion for the weak, saying disparities are due to injustices.

00:08:17.000 The right is biased toward respect for authority.

00:08:19.000 Disparities are natural and just. 1.00

00:08:22.000 And then he says, neither side is 100% correct.

00:08:24.000 Both viewpoints are necessary for a functioning society, or in this case, company.

00:08:28.000 And then he says, Google's left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence.

00:08:34.000 This silence removes any checks against encroaching extremist and authoritarian policies.

00:08:39.000 This is one of the reasons a lot of people have suspected that Google biases its search results against conservative outcomes.

00:08:46.000 And they may not even know they're doing it.

00:08:48.000 They may think that they are just doing what is just and right.

00:08:51.000 But if everyone there thinks the same way, then you end up biasing your search results.

00:08:54.000 If you're YouTube, you end up banning particular videos or restricting particular videos that ought not be restricted.

00:08:59.000 Then he goes through the facts, this particular memo author.

00:09:01.000 I don't know who it is.

00:09:02.000 It would be very ironic if it turns out to be a woman. 0.99

00:09:04.000 That would be hilarious.

00:09:04.000 But, what this guy says, I assume it's a guy, he says, at Google, we are regularly told that implicit, unconscious, and explicit biases are holding women back in tech and leadership.

00:09:13.000 So first of all, implicit bias tests do not work.

00:09:15.000 Okay?

00:09:15.000 Implicit bias training does not work.

00:09:17.000 Implicit bias is a bunch of crap.

00:09:19.000 There is no actual connection in the social science data between implicit bias, you know, those tests they give you when you're in university, where you click on a black face and a bad word, or a white face and a bad word at different rates that shows that you're a racist,

00:09:30.000 Those tests are absolute garbage.

00:09:32.000 There's no statistical significance to them.

00:09:34.000 They're non-replicable, so you can take the test twice and get it right the second time and get it wrong the first time.

00:09:38.000 That's not how any test is supposed to work, right?

00:09:41.000 Every test that works, you have the same results if you take it twice.

00:09:43.000 Okay, but again, this is used by the left as a club to beat people, and it's like, we can't tell that you're actually racist, but we can suggest that you're racist because of implicit bias, right?

00:09:54.000 You don't do anything racist, but

00:09:56.000 Deep down in the cockles of your shriveled little heart, we know that you're biased and racist.

00:10:01.000 So, the author says, on average, men and women biologically differ in many ways.

00:10:05.000 True.

00:10:06.000 Sorry to break it to the transgender and feminist advocates.

00:10:09.000 These differences are not just socially constructed.

00:10:11.000 They are universal across human cultures.

00:10:13.000 They often have clear biological causes and links to prenatal testosterone.

00:10:16.000 Biological males that were castrated at birth and raised as females often still identify and act like males. 0.78

00:10:21.000 The underlying traits are highly heritable.

00:10:22.000 They're exactly what we would predict from an evolutionary psychology perspective.

00:10:25.000 Again,

00:10:26.000 This is true.

00:10:27.000 So he tries to explain the disparities between men and women at Google in terms of some of these biological differences.

00:10:32.000 He says women on average have more openness directed toward feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas.

00:10:37.000 They also have stronger interest in people rather than things.

00:10:41.000 They are into empathizing versus systematizing.

00:10:43.000 And then he talks about women have a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading.

00:10:47.000 This is true.

00:10:48.000 All the social science data suggests this.

00:10:52.000 Women have higher levels of anxiety and lower stress tolerance. 1.00

00:10:55.000 Again, this is true according to the social science data.

00:10:58.000 He says that men have a higher drive for status.

00:11:00.000 Men are driven by respect of others.

00:11:02.000 Women are not as much driven by all of that, which is why men go into dangerous jobs for higher pay.

00:11:07.000 Things like coal mining and garbage collection and firefighting and suffer 93% of work-related deaths.

00:11:13.000 And then he talks about non-discriminatory ways to reduce the gender gap.

00:11:16.000 He actually says, okay, so here are some solutions.

00:11:17.000 If we want more women, then what we should do is we should show, we should make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming, so that empathy matters a little bit more. 0.99

00:11:29.000 He says that women on average look for more work-life balance, so maybe we should start biasing toward part-time work instead of full-time work.

00:11:35.000 And he says that feminism has made great progress in freeing women from female gender roles, but men are still tied to the male gender role.

00:11:41.000 Maybe if we allow men to get out of that, then that will help a little bit. 0.95

00:11:45.000 But that does not mean that we should have diversity candidates.

00:11:47.000 It does not mean that we should lower the standards for admission to Google.

00:11:50.000 It does not mean that we should create illegal discrimination at Google.

00:11:55.000 Okay, so all of this sounds

00:11:57.000 really moderate and fine.

00:11:58.000 I don't see anything that's a problem here.

00:12:00.000 He says we should stop suggesting that if you're against diversity candidacies that you are immoral.

00:12:06.000 We should stop alienating conservatives.

00:12:08.000 We should confront our own biases.

00:12:10.000 We should have honest discussions about costs and benefits of the diversity program.

00:12:14.000 Again, we should stop with the microaggressions.

00:12:16.000 His microaggression training incorrectly and dangerously equates speech with violence, is not backed by evidence, and reconsider making unconscious bias training mandatory for promo committees.

00:12:25.000 Again, all of this is fine, moderate, true.

00:12:29.000 Right?

00:12:29.000 All of it's fine.

00:12:30.000 There's really not a huge problem here.

00:12:32.000 Everything that he's saying is well substantiated.

00:12:34.000 There are links to all of the various studies.

00:12:36.000 Christina Hoff Summers, who's a feminist scholar and who spends all of her time studying this stuff, basically signs off on this entire memo. 0.99

00:12:43.000 And I want to tell you what Google's response to that has been, because it's really incredible.

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00:14:38.000 Okay, so, how does Google respond to this eminently reasonable and practical suggestion that maybe they should examine their own biases with regard to hiring and firing and elevations and the good of the company?

00:14:50.000 So, they send out their Orwellian Vice President of Diversity, Integrity, and Governance, Danielle Brown, to issue this statement, quote, Googlers, I'm Danielle, Google's brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity, and Governance.

00:15:01.000 Big sister.

00:15:02.000 I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to y'all.

00:15:08.000 But, given the heated debate we've seen for over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.

00:15:14.000 Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google.

00:15:25.000 And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender.

00:15:29.000 Incorrect!

00:15:30.000 Okay, now we disagree.

00:15:32.000 Incorrect.

00:15:35.000 Again, nothing in the memo ever said that all women are incapable of science or tech. 1.00

00:15:39.000 Nothing in the memo said that all women are incapable of working at Google. 1.00

00:15:41.000 Nothing in the memo said that all women are incapable of advancing in tech careers at Google. 0.93

00:15:46.000 The whole point of the memo is, if you're going to suggest that systematic bias is at work inside Google, perhaps

00:15:51.000 Okay, so...

00:16:10.000 This idiotic letter continues.

00:16:11.000 I'm not going to link it here, as it's not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes, or encourages.

00:16:17.000 So, I'm just going to send a nasty letter without telling you what the underlying material was.

00:16:22.000 Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate.

00:16:27.000 Oh boy.

00:16:28.000 Okay, so, diversity and inclusion, except for how you're sending a letter specifically saying that this guy's views are out of bounds and he must be burned!

00:16:37.000 Burn him! 0.80

00:16:39.000 We'll throw him in the river and see if he floats.

00:16:40.000 If he floats, he's a witch.

00:16:42.000 If he drowns, he is not.

00:16:43.000 We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we will continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul.

00:16:51.000 As Ari Balog said in his internal G Plus post, quote, building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are and the right thing to do.

00:16:59.000 Nuff said.

00:17:01.000 Google has taken a strong stand on this issue by releasing its demographic data and creating a company-wide OKR on diversity and inclusion.

00:17:08.000 Strong stands elicit strong reactions.

00:17:10.000 Changing a culture is hard, and it's often uncomfortable.

00:17:13.000 Screw you, lady. 1.00

00:17:14.000 I'm really sick of this.

00:17:15.000 I'm so sick of this nonsense where people say, well, you know, us changing your mind.

00:17:20.000 It might be uncomfortable for you.

00:17:22.000 Us, you know, taking your eyes and propping them open while we show you montages set to Beethoven's Ninth, that might be uncomfortable for you as we re-educate you.

00:17:31.000 I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable when Chairman Mao takes you out to re-educate you in the ways of communism.

00:17:38.000 I'm sorry if that's a little uncomfortable.

00:17:40.000 It's only because you're so narrow-minded and we have to broaden your mind by force.

00:17:44.000 That's the only way.

00:17:46.000 This kind of, it's really nasty.

00:17:48.000 We have to change you and it might be uncomfortable for you.

00:17:50.000 Well how about you change, okay?

00:17:51.000 Maybe you're wrong.

00:17:52.000 Is that uncomfortable for, can we acknowledge that it's uncomfortable for you to acknowledge some basic truths?

00:17:57.000 No, it's only uncomfortable for people you disagree with.

00:17:59.000 And I'm sorry if, I love when people apologize if it's uncomfortable for you.

00:18:03.000 You know, like, you're torturing someone.

00:18:05.000 I'm sorry, Ramsey Bolton to Theon.

00:18:07.000 I'm sorry if this is uncomfortable for you.

00:18:09.000 You know, it's just a change that you've had to undergo, but I'm really, really sorry if you find this a little bit irritating or uncomfortable.

00:18:15.000 It's harder on me than it is on you.

00:18:17.000 Just know that your horizons will be broadened as we perform this surgery upon you.

00:18:22.000 I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, says the VP of Diversity, Inclusion, and BS, and that's why I took this job.

00:18:28.000 Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture.

00:18:32.000 Yes, I'm sure Theon feels very safe under these circumstances.

00:18:40.000 Very, very safe.

00:18:41.000 I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable for you.

00:18:43.000 We won't link to your paper.

00:18:44.000 And you might get fired.

00:18:45.000 Here, you ready for this?

00:18:47.000 That discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our code of conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.

00:18:54.000 You understand what that means?

00:18:54.000 That's an overt threat.

00:18:55.000 Okay, that is, if you say these sorts of things, we may have to fire you.

00:18:59.000 You may have violated our code of conduct.

00:19:01.000 That says that you must never, ever, ever under any circumstances mention differences between men and women.

00:19:09.000 Ever!

00:19:10.000 Ever!

00:19:11.000 We love diversity here.

00:19:13.000 And if you violate these principles, you shall be punished!

00:19:18.000 I've been in the industry for a long time.

00:19:20.000 I can tell you I've never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves.

00:19:24.000 I know conversation doesn't end with my email today.

00:19:27.000 I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.

00:19:31.000 Thanks, Danielle.

00:19:32.000 Hey, Danielle?

00:19:33.000 How about this?

00:19:34.000 You should stop being an ideological fascist, okay?

00:19:37.000 If you want to provide some alternative evidence that rebuts the presumptions created in this memo, you can do it, but you are just making this guy's point.

00:19:44.000 This guy's entire point is that you're a bunch of fascists who can't tolerate dissent with regard to obvious, obvious sociological and scientific facts.

00:19:54.000 Just terrible.

00:19:55.000 Just terrible.

00:19:55.000 And then you wonder why society at large is so screwed up.

00:19:57.000 This is one of the reasons society is so screwed up, because you have the quote-unquote great science advocates bashing the quote-unquote science deniers over things that are actually scientific.

00:20:07.000 Just ridiculous.

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00:22:09.000 So, speaking of the fascist tendencies of the hard left, Chelsea Handler, who is now, she was a second-level bad comic, and now she's elevated herself to a first-level bad comic. 0.76

00:22:19.000 She is now up there with Trevor Noah and Amy Schumer.

00:22:22.000 Lena Dunham is sort of a comedian, I guess?

00:22:24.000 But Trevor Noah and Amy Schumer, the top three now are Trevor Noah, Amy Schumer,

00:22:30.000 And Chelsea Handler in the pantheon of unbelievably crappy leftist comics.

00:22:34.000 I would have put W. Camo Bell on there.

00:22:38.000 He's really awful, but he's not as offensively awful as these others are, so he remains a second tier.

00:22:42.000 But those are the three.

00:22:43.000 They're in a running gun battle to see who is the worst comic of all time.

00:22:48.000 In any case, on Sunday, two Chinese tourists stood in front of the Reichstag building in Germany and they made a Nazi salute.

00:22:53.000 Why?

00:22:54.000 Because they're stupid.

00:22:54.000 Okay, so they're promptly arrested, because in Germany it is actually illegal

00:22:58.000 to do such things.

00:22:58.000 You're not allowed to make the Nazi salute in Germany, which I think is bad law.

00:23:03.000 As a Jew, I think that's bad law.

00:23:05.000 I don't think that you should make that illegal.

00:23:06.000 I think that you should use social shaming to fight back against that sort of symbolism.

00:23:12.000 According to the government, a probe on suspicion of using the symbols of anti-constitutional organizations was opened against the two Chinese men aged 36 and 49, obviously a couple of morons. 0.84

00:23:21.000 They paid $58 fines and they were released.

00:23:25.000 This, however, was not enough for alleged comedian Chelsea Handler, who promptly tweeted this out, quote,

00:23:42.000 No, that would not be nice.

00:23:43.000 That would be a violation of the First Amendment.

00:23:45.000 As someone who desperately hates racism, hates antisemitism, hates sexism, okay, I hate all of these things.

00:23:52.000 I think they're terrible.

00:23:53.000 I don't think it should be illegal for people to express these ideas because we live in a free country.

00:23:57.000 And once you start policing what people say with the government, then you are going to inevitably end up quashing viewpoints that you find

00:24:05.000 Unpalatable.

00:24:06.000 And those viewpoints may end up being your own eventually once the gun swings back on you.

00:24:11.000 But, another point for Chelsea Handler, who gets to decide what's racist or not? 1.00

00:24:14.000 Like, for example, let's say that there were a comedian who joked about the race of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's kids.

00:24:21.000 Let's say that they joked about them being African in origin.

00:24:25.000 Let's say they did that.

00:24:26.000 Would that be racist?

00:24:27.000 Should we prosecute that person?

00:24:29.000 What if they joked like this?

00:24:30.000 Angelina Jolie has filed for divorce from Brad Pitt.

00:24:33.000 He wants the china. 0.91

00:24:34.000 She wants Pax and Maddox. 0.98

00:24:36.000 Hashtag sorry, couldn't help myself.

00:24:39.000 So first of all, crappy joke.

00:24:41.000 But second of all, should we jail you for that?

00:24:44.000 Because it's kind of racist.

00:24:44.000 I mean, he wants the China, but she wants apparently, I guess, the Africans?

00:24:48.000 Is that what the joke is supposed to be here?

00:24:50.000 Because I believe Pax and Maddox are from Africa, are they not?

00:24:54.000 Or no, where are they from?

00:24:57.000 Where are Pax and Maddox from?

00:24:58.000 I can't remember.

00:25:01.000 Hmm.

00:25:02.000 You know, now I want to look up their ethnicities, but it is an ethnic joke. 1.00

00:25:04.000 I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember, uh, where they are actually from.

00:25:08.000 Um, are they Chinese?

00:25:09.000 Where, where, hmm.

00:25:11.000 Now, okay, we'll have to look it up.

00:25:12.000 The bottom line is, it is a racist joke, okay?

00:25:15.000 So, uh, they are, uh, they are not from the United States, uh, and, uh, and, I, let's see.

00:25:22.000 They, Pax is, uh, is, is Vietnamese?

00:25:25.000 Is that what it is?

00:25:25.000 I think Pax is Vietnamese, um, and, uh,

00:25:28.000 So, let's see, Vivian, sorry, I don't mean to take so much time on the podcast looking stuff up online, but I want to make sure that I get this right.

00:25:35.000 So, Pax, I believe, is Vietnamese, and Maddox is from Battambang, which I'm not sure where that is.

00:25:44.000 Battambang is in...

00:25:48.000 Cambodia.

00:25:48.000 Okay, so one is Vietnamese and one is from Cambodia.

00:25:50.000 Okay, so Chelsea Handler makes a joke about Chinese and Vietnamese people. 0.99

00:25:55.000 Okay, is that exactly a good thing?

00:25:57.000 Is that a wonderful thing?

00:25:58.000 No.

00:25:58.000 So apparently, according to Chelsea Handler, maybe she should go to jail also.

00:26:02.000 Amazing, the fascist instincts of people on the left.

00:26:04.000 Now, there is this instinct from people on the right as well.

00:26:07.000 I think there's some alt-right people who have the same instinct, but it is a bad instinct and it is something that we should fight.

00:26:11.000 Okay, so.

00:26:13.000 I want to go through all that because I think that it's more important to the society than the latest Trump news, but let's get to the latest Trump news.

00:26:19.000 So, the latest in Trump news is that President Trump is on vacation for 17 days and that means that H.R.

00:26:24.000 McMaster and General Mattis and John Kelly are not standing next to him taking his phone away from him and hiding it under the seat cushions and playing warm or cold with him with the phone.

00:26:33.000 So he found his iPhone, he discovered the passcode, and now he's tweeting again about the fake news and this and that.

00:26:38.000 He's got his phone again, but the bigger problem for him is that on Friday it was announced that the special prosecutor, Rod Rosenstein, well actually, I'm sorry, Mueller, Robert Mueller, impaneled a grand jury.

00:26:53.000 And that means that they are going to be issuing subpoenas about documents, they'll be issuing subpoenas to human beings to testify about Trump-Russia collusion, about financial matters, and all of the rest.

00:27:04.000 Rod Rosenstein came out, and he obviously is trying to keep his job in the Trump administration,

00:27:08.000 Does the fact that a prosecutor takes a case to a grand jury, what does that say about the likelihood of indictments?

00:27:21.000 Chris, you're right that I'm not going to comment on the case.

00:27:24.000 I'm not going to comment about whether Director Mueller has or hasn't opened a grand jury.

00:27:28.000 You know, you read a lot about criminal investigations in the media, and some of those stories are false.

00:27:33.000 We just don't comment on investigations.

00:27:35.000 That's important for a number of reasons.

00:27:36.000 First of all, we don't want to disparage anybody who may be a subject in an investigation.

00:27:40.000 Number two, we don't want to interfere with the investigation.

00:27:43.000 But I'm asking you a different question.

00:27:44.000 What does it say when a prosecutor takes a case

00:27:48.000 In general, Chris, it doesn't tell you anything about the likelihood of indictments because we conduct investigations and we make a determination at some point in the course of the investigation about whether charges are appropriate.

00:28:01.000 Okay, what he's saying here is obviously true.

00:28:03.000 And it's good that he's saying it, because I think that it is important, because the entire left is jumping to conclusions about this.

00:28:08.000 The right is jumping to conclusions, too, and the conclusions they're jumping to is that Mueller has impaneled a grand jury to get Trump, that all he cares about now is getting Trump.

00:28:16.000 Alan Dershowitz, who obviously knows a fair bit about jury selection, considering that he was involved in the jury selection for the OJ trial, he says that Mueller looks like he's stacking the grand jury against Trump.

00:28:26.000 ...has an ethnic and racial composition that might be very unfavorable

00:28:31.000 Yes.

00:28:31.000 Yes, I do.

00:28:32.000 I think it's a tactical move designed to send a message that if the prosecutor decides to prosecute

00:28:59.000 You will have a real advantage with the jury pool where the case will be held, provided there is jurisdiction as Columbia, and there would be generally jurisdiction almost anywhere.

00:29:12.000 Okay, so, you know, he's suggesting that the reason they paddled a grand jury in D.C.

00:29:16.000 as opposed to in Iowa is because they want this grand jury to start bringing charges as soon as possible against Trump.

00:29:21.000 That's not out of the realm of possibility, and I respect Dershowitz's take on this.

00:29:25.000 Maxine Waters said he was a racist because how dare he suggest that race on the grand jury means something.

00:29:32.000 And, you know, again, she doesn't know what she's talking about because the fact is that

00:29:36.000 When you are looking at juries, when you're looking at jury selection, of course the race comes into account of the people because you make assumptions about, on average, black people are going to vote Democrat more likely than white people are going to vote Democrat.

00:29:46.000 So the chances that you're going to get a black juror on the grand jury who is anti-Trump is higher, just statistically speaking.

00:29:51.000 You know, all of this is a danger to Trump and it's a problem for Trump.

00:29:56.000 The response from the Trump administration

00:29:58.000 We're good to go.

00:30:15.000 And let me just say something else about Russia.

00:30:16.000 The president took on a new tack in West Virginia speaking about this the other night.

00:30:20.000 He told the people there and around the country that those who are pushing this phony, fabricated Russian investigation are cheating you, the voters, out of what you clearly said you want.

00:30:32.000 You want a new and different direction.

00:30:34.000 You don't want the same fake policies.

00:30:36.000 You want free markets.

00:30:37.000 You want democracy.

00:30:38.000 You want

00:30:39.000 Well, we...

00:31:04.000 Okay, and then she goes on to say that Trump is not going to commit to not firing the special investigator if he gets too close to something, to prosecuting if Trump doesn't like it.

00:31:13.000 Bottom line, Kellyanne. 1.00

00:31:14.000 Yes?

00:31:15.000 Does the president commit to not firing Robert Mueller?

00:31:21.000 The president has not even discussed that.

00:31:22.000 The president is not discussing firing Bob Mueller.

00:31:25.000 But will he commit not to firing him?

00:31:26.000 We are complying and cooperating with... He has not even discussed firing Bob Mueller.

00:31:32.000 That's not what I'm asking.

00:31:33.000 And in fact, Ty Cobb... Well, hold on.

00:31:36.000 I'm not the president's lawyer here, but I will tell you as his counselor, he is not discussing that.

00:31:41.000 Okay, so she refuses about eight times in that clip to say that Mueller won't be fired.

00:31:44.000 So what we have here is a situation where there is obviously a witch hunt going on from the left with regard to President Trump.

00:31:52.000 I don't know that Mueller is engaged in that witch hunt yet.

00:31:54.000 I think that it's a little much to say that Mueller is obviously out to get the president at this point.

00:31:58.000 I don't know on the basis of the grand jury.

00:32:01.000 We'll have to see on the basis of the indictment.

00:32:02.000 If there's some indictment brought, we'll have to look at the material in the indictment and determine whether this fit within the scope of the investigation or whether it was actually just a reach by Mueller.

00:32:11.000 I can't prejudge the product that I haven't seen based on rumors that are coming out that are unsubstantiated on this side.

00:32:17.000 But what you have on the right is a jump to Mueller's bad, gotta be fired.

00:32:20.000 You have a jump on the left to

00:32:22.000 Mueller is going to take out Trump, and then once he takes out Trump, then we're gonna have to take out Mike Pence.

00:32:26.000 That's what Maxine Waters, this nutjob, the most corrupt woman in Congress, she says that once we finish with Trump, now we have to step up and go after Mike Pence, too. 1.00

00:32:34.000 We're gonna go after everybody.

00:32:35.000 Now, remember, remember, what they are hoping, what the Democrats are hoping is that they win back Congress in 2018, and then they move to impeach Trump and impeach Pence, okay?

00:32:43.000 Because how does the line of succession go, gang?

00:32:46.000 Remember, it goes, President, Vice President, Speaker of the House,

00:32:51.000 So if they were actually able to impeach Trump and Pence, they won't be able to because they won't have enough votes in the Senate.

00:32:57.000 But if theoretically they were able to do so, if there was some sort of wipeout and Republicans lost the House and Senate, you could end up with President Nancy Pelosi.

00:33:05.000 If that's not incentive to go out and vote in 2018, I don't know what is.

00:33:09.000 Here is Maxine Waters making the case. 0.98

00:33:11.000 You've said that Vice President Pence is already planning his inauguration.

00:33:16.000 Is that a joke or do you really mean that?

00:33:17.000 It was a joke.

00:33:19.000 Okay.

00:33:20.000 What I wanted to do was needle them a little bit.

00:33:22.000 Do you think Pence will be better than Trump if he were impeached?

00:33:25.000 No, and when we finish with Trump, we have to go and get Putin.

00:33:27.000 That's right.

00:33:28.000 He's next.

00:33:29.000 Putin or Pence?

00:33:30.000 Pence.

00:33:30.000 Do you mean Pence?

00:33:32.000 We'll get Putin. 0.94

00:33:33.000 We'll get two for one with Trump and Putin.

00:33:35.000 Then we gotta go after Pence.

00:33:36.000 That's right.

00:33:37.000 Okay, so I do love that this crazy old bat is doing the, we have to go after Putin, we have to go after Pence, we have to go after Newt Gingrich, Randos, just everybody out there.

00:33:47.000 So the left is suggesting that this is the end of the world, Trump is done.

00:33:50.000 The right is scared that Trump might be done because of Mueller.

00:33:53.000 Again, not enough evidence on any of this, but it is opening up gaps inside the Republican Party itself.

00:33:57.000 So you have

00:33:59.000 A report in the New York Times over the weekend that people like Mike Pence are now looking to step up for 2020, that Ben Sasse is visiting Iowa, that John Kasich, God help us, is visiting Iowa.

00:34:10.000 Oh God no, please God no, not John Kasich.

00:34:13.000 He's coming out and campaigning against Trump now.

00:34:16.000 There are a couple of splits in the Republican Party that are worth talking about because they continue after the election.

00:34:20.000 One is the split between the right and the so-called moderates, and the second is the split between people who don't care about Trump's behavior and people who do care about Trump's behavior.

00:34:29.000 I think that you can be right-wing and care about Trump's behavior.

00:34:31.000 That's where I am.

00:34:33.000 I think you can be right-wing and not care about Trump's behavior.

00:34:35.000 That's where, like, Dennis Prager is.

00:34:36.000 You can be moderate and not care about Trump's behavior, and that's where Jared and Ivanka are, presumably.

00:34:42.000 And then you can be moderate and care about Trump's behavior, and that's where John Kasich is.

00:34:45.000 The bottom line is that just because John Kasich says that he wants to run against Trump in 2020, which is what he's going to do, does not mean that the right is going to move with John Kasich, or the moderates are going to move with John Kasich, because this is the weird thing, okay?

00:34:57.000 Trump actually crosses currents.

00:34:59.000 Trump is both moderate on politics, he's not particularly right-wing, he's much closer to John Kasich on politics than to Ted Cruz, and he doesn't care about behavior, not like John Kasich, but like a lot of the right-wingers.

00:35:09.000 So he's got the attitude of a hardcore right-winger with regard to the media, for example, but he's got the policies that are much closer to John Kasich's.

00:35:16.000 So when John Kasich says, well, you know, I'm going to run against him, like on what basis, aside from being a wadded piece of, a wadded piece of receipt in my pocket that went through the wash three times?

00:35:25.000 Here is Raisin in the Sun, John Kasich.

00:35:28.000 What John Hickenlooper and I are doing at the present is he's going to have his staff and my staff, and we've had preliminary conversations because John and I are becoming friends, and they're going to sit down and they're going to look at the differences.

00:35:41.000 And one of the problems is that there are some in the Democratic Party that think the whole system needs to be changed at once, and there are some in the Republican Party that say, look, let's let the market work to drive down health care costs, but we're going to have to make a commitment, a serious, significant commitment to those people who are left behind.

00:36:00.000 So I think Democrats are going to have to get to the point where they say, let's let the market work, give people more choice, bring down the cost of health insurance,

00:36:08.000 And Republicans are going to have to admit that there's going to be a group of people out there who are going to need help.

00:36:14.000 These are some philosophical differences between the parties, but if you have a good spirit and you understand that... Just go away, just go away, just go away, okay?

00:36:22.000 I'll just talk about primarying a sitting Republican president.

00:36:26.000 Basically, if you primary a Republican president,

00:36:28.000 Even if you were to win the nomination, you're going to lose the general.

00:36:31.000 There's never been a primary challenger who has, number one, won.

00:36:34.000 I mean, that's incredibly rare.

00:36:36.000 You've had situations like 1968 where the president drops out, like LBJ dropped out in 1968, but then his successor, Hubert Humphrey, goes on to lose to Richard Nixon.

00:36:45.000 If Trump is so bad that he ends up being primaried and losing, the chances that he becomes president are virtually nil.

00:36:50.000 So, Republicans are with Trump, boom or bust, come 2020, to the extent that they want to win a national election, unless things become so dire and so desperate that Trump is just an utter disaster all the way through, and they have no choice.

00:37:02.000 So these splits on the right are reopening in the wake of Trump not being good at his job.

00:37:06.000 What's funny about all of this is, again, in the areas where Trump is not public, in the areas where Trump is not involved, his administration is going fine.

00:37:13.000 Okay, so there is a story that just came out five minutes ago that says that Donald Trump's administration has now cut 11,000 federal jobs.

00:37:23.000 11,000 of them in the last six months.

00:37:25.000 That's the first reverse in federal employment that's happened in a long time.

00:37:29.000 That's really good.

00:37:30.000 There's been a reverse in regulations, right?

00:37:32.000 16 regulations cut for every new one added.

00:37:34.000 All of these are really good things, but that's not what people vote on.

00:37:37.000 They actually don't vote on these little things.

00:37:39.000 I know that people like to flatter themselves that this is what people vote on.

00:37:41.000 People don't vote on that.

00:37:42.000 They vote on generalized perception of the people who are running.

00:37:45.000 Okay, so, with all of that said, the Democrats are in no better shape, right?

00:37:48.000 The Democrats seem to think that all of this is just going to fall into their lap when there's no evidence of that whatsoever.

00:37:53.000 The polls right now have Democrats in the generic ballot up to plus seven, but

00:37:58.000 It's a rather unconvincing plus seven because, again, a lot of the districts are either solid red or solid blue.

00:38:04.000 So the question is what happens in these very few purple districts.

00:38:07.000 And the left is tearing itself apart.

00:38:09.000 So Howard Dean, he comes out and he's ripping the Bernie Sanders wing of the party at the same time they need the Bernie Sanders wing of the party to win.

00:38:16.000 There has always been a section of the left, which I call the whiny party.

00:38:24.000 The party that doesn't really want to win.

00:38:26.000 They just want to be pure.

00:38:27.000 And if they go down swinging purely, then that's fine.

00:38:31.000 Well, the problem with that is it leaves behind the people who really need their help.

00:38:35.000 If we're going to have a single payer, or Medicare for all, or whatever we're going to have in health care that covers every American, as every other industrialized country has,

00:38:44.000 Then we all have to pull together.

00:38:45.000 And people who sit out or crank on some candidate because they did this or that and it wasn't to their purity test are basically turning their back on the very people they pretend to represent.

00:38:56.000 I just want to point out to dispossessed Republicans that the same sort of splits that are happening inside the right are happening inside the left.

00:39:02.000 Jerry Brown, who's the delusional governor of California, he thinks that they're going to swing left and the Democrats are going to have a broad victory.

00:39:08.000 By the way, Jerry Brown still wants to run for president.

00:39:10.000 He's 1,000 years old.

00:39:12.000 We actually exhumed him to make him California's governor again.

00:39:16.000 Here's Jerry Brown talking about what he thinks is gonna happen in 2018.

00:39:22.000 It's the historic turn.

00:39:23.000 When Lyndon Johnson won overwhelmingly against Goldwater, people were writing, and I read it at the time, that the Republican Party was gone.

00:39:32.000 And then it comes back.

00:39:34.000 And the Democratic Party comes back.

00:39:36.000 So the nature of our business is that swing of the pendulum, and it's definitely already swinging back toward a non-Republican kind of future.

00:39:47.000 We hope, based on general trends, that we'll win.

00:39:50.000 We don't really have an affirmative case for why we should.

00:39:52.000 And also, I don't know where I am, why I'm here, who you are, why I'm talking, or I think I peed myself.

00:40:03.000 Governor Jerry Brown, thank you.

00:40:04.000 Okay, so, bottom line is there is chaos inside both parties.

00:40:07.000 To suggest otherwise is to be ignorant of how the Republican Party is working and also how the Democratic Party is working.

00:40:12.000 That means a realignment is happening, but I don't think the realignment is inside the Republican Party or inside the Democratic Party.

00:40:18.000 I think the realignment is largely a bunch of people who are dispossessed with both parties and are just looking for people who are reasonable to follow or vote for in any case.

00:40:26.000 Okay, time for some things I like and some things I hate.

00:40:30.000 So, things I like.

00:40:31.000 First of all, I want to thank again Joe Rogan for having me on last week.

00:40:34.000 It was a really fantastic thing and Joe is great.

00:40:36.000 I thought the conversation was really good.

00:40:37.000 If you haven't, you should go over and check out...

00:40:40.000 The podcast that I did with Joe last week, a really good conversation, like two and a half hours, two hours forty.

00:40:45.000 And we went through a number of topics, everything from environmentalism to transgenderism to free speech.

00:40:51.000 And I think that when I talk about this sort of new center that's forming, I don't think it's a center in terms of political outcome.

00:40:57.000 I think it's a center in terms of people who actually want to hear reasoned argument and reasoned debate, as opposed to a bunch of people who just get on your TV and talk about Republican versus Democrat all the time.

00:41:06.000 OK, other things that I like.

00:41:07.000 So I've decided to do exposés of

00:41:10.000 Communism and Socialism.

00:41:11.000 Last week I talked a lot about what's happening in Venezuela.

00:41:14.000 It continues to break down in Venezuela.

00:41:16.000 There was supposedly a terrorist attack that is causing the president, the dictator of Venezuela, to crack down on his opposition.

00:41:23.000 Again, this looks again a lot like virtually every dictatorial crackdown.

00:41:27.000 It looks like the coup that happened in Turkey that failed, or the fake coup that happened in Turkey.

00:41:31.000 Still don't know what that was.

00:41:32.000 It's called Darkness at Noon by Arthur Kessler.

00:41:47.000 And it's all about a really Trotsky figure who was part of the Russian Revolution and now has been imprisoned and is awaiting the carrying out of his death sentence and sort of the thoughts that are going through his head, him becoming disillusioned with the cause he spent his entire life fighting for.

00:42:03.000 Really dark, really terrific, short, very short read, very readable, Darkness at Noon by Arthur Kessler.

00:42:09.000 They tried to make a movie, I think, at one point, but it's more of a psychological novel than anything else, so it doesn't really lend itself to moviemaking as much as it does for a read, but it's a great kind of almost forgotten classic, Darkness at Noon.

00:42:21.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:42:28.000 So, a couple of things that I hate.

00:42:30.000 So, Kellyanne Conway was asked on one of the Sunday shows about President Trump's transgenders in the military bans.

00:42:36.000 You recall a couple of weeks ago that Donald Trump tweeted out, almost seemingly out of nowhere, that transgenders would no longer be allowed in the military.

00:42:43.000 And there are people like me who said, I generally agree with the policy, but

00:42:47.000 I would like to see General Mattis lay it out.

00:42:49.000 I'd like to see the military.

00:42:50.000 I'd like to see what the Pentagon does.

00:42:51.000 I want to see their opinion on this.

00:42:53.000 I want to see them lay it out in the most free and full fashion so that we can have a good open debate about it and see what the rationales are.

00:43:00.000 And Kellyanne Conway has asked, okay, so Trump tweeted this.

00:43:03.000 Was the military even aware that he was doing this?

00:43:05.000 And here's what she had to say.

00:43:07.000 Just did the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, did the defense secretary, did the commandant of the Coast Guard, did the other service chiefs sign off on that policy on that tweet before the president sent it out?

00:43:19.000 I can't answer that, because I wasn't in the room when they discussed it with him, and I certainly aren't on the National Security Council.

00:43:26.000 But I will tell you, having spoken with the President directly about this, and having been involved a little bit in the discussions, that the President had consulted for quite a while with different stakeholders, including his generals.

00:43:38.000 What he says in the tweet is absolutely true.

00:43:40.000 He consulted with generals and others about this issue.

00:43:43.000 Okay, so again, here is the problem, and I said this at the time.

00:43:47.000 How you do things is just as important as what you do.

00:43:50.000 If you do it wrong, you end up actually backfiring.

00:43:52.000 So what's happened now is the Pentagon has said, we have had no specific instruction from the White House.

00:43:56.000 We are not carrying out anything without any sort of plan or specific instruction.

00:43:59.000 So Trump just tweeted something out, toxified it in the public discourse, and then threw it on his military, which promptly ignores it.

00:44:05.000 This is not how policy ought to be done.

00:44:07.000 If Trump wants good policy implemented,

00:44:09.000 He should do the same thing he's doing with regulations and with employment.

00:44:11.000 He should just let his chiefs take care of it.

00:44:14.000 Okay, they know what they're doing.

00:44:15.000 When it comes to the specifics of this stuff, he does not.

00:44:17.000 Let him be the face of it.

00:44:18.000 Let them develop the policy and let him pitch it.

00:44:20.000 But he has to understand that he ought to be doing exactly what he did on The Apprentice, okay?

00:44:24.000 He's the pitch man.

00:44:25.000 He is not the idea creator, nor is he the implementer.

00:44:28.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:44:29.000 So this is just a weird thing.

00:44:30.000 Kayleigh McEnany, who's been a pro-Trump member of the Trump campaign, she was on CNN, and now she's no longer on CNN, and she popped up on something they're calling Trump TV, which is from the White House, apparently, and it is donaldjtrump.com, and it is her bringing you real news, not fake news, real news.

00:44:50.000 Hey everybody, I'm Kayleigh McEnany.

00:44:52.000 Thank you for joining us as we provide you the news of the week from Trump Tower here in New York.

00:44:57.000 More great economic news on Friday.

00:44:59.000 The July jobs report added a better-than-expected 209,000 jobs.

00:45:05.000 Overall, since the president took office, President Trump has created more than 1 million jobs.

00:45:10.000 The unemployment rate is at a 16-year low and consumer confidence is at a 16-year high, all while the Dow Jones continues to break records.

00:45:19.000 President Trump has clearly steered the economy back in the right direction.

00:45:22.000 I didn't like it when Obama did this.

00:45:23.000 This is not new.

00:45:24.000 Everybody's treating it like this is new.

00:45:25.000 Okay, Obama, if you recall, actually, for a while, banned press photos and was only issuing White House press photos.

00:45:30.000 So this is a centralization of the communication strategy that I just do not like from either side.

00:45:36.000 Okay, I understand.

00:45:37.000 This is why you have a White House press office.

00:45:39.000 This is why you have allies in the press.

00:45:40.000 But this idea that you're going to have state-sponsored TV to back the president?

00:45:44.000 I didn't like it when it was Obama.

00:45:45.000 I don't like it when it's Trump.

00:45:46.000 I don't appreciate it.

00:45:47.000 And I think that Kayleigh McEnany is better than this.

00:45:48.000 She's obviously smart.

00:45:49.000 She's obviously talented.

00:45:51.000 Working for Trump TV seems to me a misuse of those talents, especially because you're not going to get real news.

00:45:56.000 You're going to get Trump's news, which is fine.

00:45:57.000 That's fine.

00:45:58.000 But I think that, you know, having it openly sponsored by the White House is a little bit much.

00:46:04.000 Okay, so we'll be back here tomorrow with all of the latest news.

00:46:06.000 Again, make sure that you leave us, go subscribe, leave us a review, and make sure also that you give a listen to Michael Knowles' brand new show.

00:46:13.000 You can get that at iTunes.

00:46:14.000 That is also doing really well in the news and politics section over at iTunes.

00:46:17.000 That's fun to listen to.

00:46:18.000 Also, Andrew Klavan's show is coming up next, so make sure that you go over to iTunes and subscribe to that as well.

00:46:23.000 Drew's show has been fantastic for a long time, and it is always a well-informed and funny take.

00:46:29.000 If you've never listened to it, go give Andrew Klavan's show a listen.

00:46:32.000 We don't agree on everything Trump-related, but it's really wildly entertaining, so go check it out, Andrew Klavan's show.

00:46:37.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow.

00:46:38.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:46:39.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 07, 2017

Is Trump On The Brink? | Ep. 356

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