The Ben Shapiro Show - Is Trump Tearing Children From Their Parents? | Ep.562

00:00:00.000 The media suggests that President Trump is cruelly tearing children out of the arms of their illegal immigrant parents, Harvard goes racist, and some leftist columnists celebrate Father's Day by saying fathers are unnecessary.

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00:02:03.000 Alrighty, so, the big news of the day is that apparently Donald Trump hates children.

00:02:08.000 Now, if you're on the left, this comes as no surprise because you always thought that Donald Trump hated children, right?

00:02:12.000 I mean, that's not a giant shock, but the reality is that Donald Trump supposedly is a guy who wants to remove children from the arms of their parents as those parents cross the border illegally.

00:02:22.000 So, you're coming across the border to make a new life for yourself, and you've brought your child, and you're picked up by ICE, and they cruelly take those children, and they rip them away from you.

00:02:32.000 They take the children, and they just, they rip them away from you.

00:02:34.000 OK, there is only one problem with all of this.

00:02:37.000 OK, there's only one problem with all of this.

00:02:39.000 This is just not the case.

00:02:40.000 OK, the reason I say this is just not the case, I'm going to go through the actual applicable law here so that you know what it is that is going on.

00:02:46.000 OK, the reality is that the law requires that if you cross the border illegally and we arrest you for it, that your children cannot stay in custody with you.

00:02:56.000 Okay, that's just the way it is.

00:02:57.000 Okay, the way that it is, according to the law, okay, and that is a 2008 ruling from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

00:03:04.000 According to the law, you are not allowed to take the children and leave them with their parents in custody.

00:03:10.000 Okay, so the Ninth Circuit Court ruled that non-detention of minors applies to accompanied illegal immigrants.

00:03:15.000 The reason this happened is there was an agreement, it's called the Flores Agreement, back from the 1990s, in which the federal government was sued, and they came to a federal settlement, and the federal settlement said that when

00:03:23.000 Unaccompanied illegal children come across the border.

00:03:26.000 They have to be released, remanded into the custody of some sort of parental figure or guardian in the United States.

00:03:31.000 And then the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in 2016 ruled that those children actually had to be released whether or not they came with a parent.

00:03:38.000 So you come across with mommy and daddy.

00:03:40.000 We still cannot keep you in custody for a long period of time.

00:03:43.000 We still have to release you ASAP.

00:03:45.000 Now, the problem with this is this has created a spate of headlines that Donald Trump, because he is more strictly enforcing border laws, that because he is doing that, this means that he is somehow separating the children from their parents.

00:03:56.000 Again, it is by operation of law that the kids are removed from their parents.

00:03:59.000 It is not Donald Trump decided, I want to remove children from their parents and therefore I'm cruel and nasty and that's what I want to do.

00:04:05.000 That's not how any of this works.

00:04:06.000 Rich Lowry has a good column.

00:04:08.000 Making all of this clear, he points out in his column at National Review today, And it's the last that is operative here.

00:04:13.000 The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit.

00:04:16.000 The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults.

00:04:32.000 The idea is to send a signal that we are serious about our laws and to create a deterrent against re-entry. 1.00

00:04:37.000 Illegal entry is a misdemeanor.

00:04:38.000 Illegal re-entry, however, is a felony.

00:04:40.000 When a migrant is prosecuted for illegal entry, writes Rich Lowry, he or she is taken into custody by the U.S.

00:04:45.000 Marshals.

00:04:46.000 In no circumstance anywhere in the United States do the Marshals care for the children of people they take into custody.

00:04:51.000 The child is taken into the custody of HHS, that's Health and Human Services, who cares for them at temporary shelters.

00:04:56.000 The criminal proceedings are exceptionally short, assuming there is no aggravating factor, such as a prior illegal entity or another crime.

00:05:02.000 The migrants generally plead guilty, and they are then sentenced to time served, typically all on the same day, although practices vary along the border.

00:05:07.000 After this, they are returned to the custody of ICE for deportation.

00:05:10.000 If the adult then wants to go home, in keeping with the expedited order of removal that is issued as a matter of course, it's relatively simple.

00:05:16.000 The adult is reunited quickly with his or her child, and the family returned home as a unit.

00:05:20.000 In this scenario, there is only a brief separation.

00:05:22.000 When it does become more of an issue is when parents start claiming asylum.

00:05:26.000 If you claim asylum, adults are going to be detained longer.

00:05:28.000 And the law is that you are not allowed to hold children for longer than 20 days in custody.

00:05:33.000 And that's the Flores Consent Decree.

00:05:35.000 A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended the 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units.

00:05:39.000 So even if you would like to hold a family unit together, even if you want the kid to stay with mommy and daddy, you cannot by operation of law.

00:05:45.000 You are forbidden from doing so because the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wanted to make it less appealing for the government to keep families in custody.

00:05:51.000 They wanted

00:05:52.000 All of these families released into the general population in the United States.

00:05:57.000 Rich Lowry writes, The clock ticking on the time the government can hold a child will almost always run out before an asylum claim is settled.

00:06:03.000 That migrants is allowed 10 days to seek an attorney, there may be continuances or other complications.

00:06:07.000 This creates the choice of either releasing the adults and the children together into the country, pending the adjudication of the asylum claim, or holding the adults and releasing the children.

00:06:16.000 If the adult is held, HHS places the kid with a responsible party in the US, ideally a relative.

00:06:21.000 Even if Flores didn't exist, the government would be very constrained in how many family units it can accommodate.

00:06:26.000 ICE only has about 3,000 family spaces and shelters.

00:06:30.000 It is also limited in its overall space at the border, which is overwhelmed by the ongoing influx.

00:06:34.000 So family units can go home quickly.

00:06:36.000 All they have to do is not plead asylum and they can all go home together.

00:06:39.000 Also, there's a better way to claim asylum.

00:06:40.000 So, the separation of parents from children only happens if you are arrested.

00:06:44.000 If you walk up to a border station,

00:06:46.000 In the United States.

00:06:47.000 You don't go between border stations.

00:06:48.000 You just walk up to, for example, the U.S.-Mexico border, you know, down near San Diego.

00:06:53.000 If you just walk up to that border and you say, I need to claim asylum, you will not be arrested.

00:06:57.000 You're only arrested if you try to cross between the borders, because then the idea is probably you're lying to get into the country.

00:07:03.000 Otherwise, you just walk up to Border Patrol, not along the border, but in specific border stations, which everybody knows where they are, and then you claim asylum, and then you're not arrested at all.

00:07:11.000 Then you get to stay with your kids.

00:07:14.000 Right.

00:07:14.000 Every indication is that the migrant flow to the United States is discretionary.

00:07:17.000 It nearly dried up at the beginning of the Trump administration when migrants believed they had no chance of getting into the United States.

00:07:23.000 Now it's going in earnest again because the message got out that despite the rhetoric, the policy at the border hasn't actually changed.

00:07:27.000 Even if a migrant does have credible fear of persecution, writes Lowry, there is a legitimate way to pursue that claim. 0.99

00:07:32.000 It does not involve entering the United States illegally.

00:07:35.000 First, such people should make their asylum claim in the first country where they feel safe, for example, Mexico. 0.79

00:07:40.000 Second, if for some reason they are threatened everywhere but the United States, they should show up at a port of entry, that's what it's called, the technical term, a port of entry, and they make their claim there, rather than crossing the border illegally.

00:07:50.000 There's significant moral cost to not enforcing the border as well, as Rich Lowry points out, if you just start releasing people in general into the middle of the country, lots more people are going to start crossing into the country illegally.

00:08:00.000 And it is well worth pointing out that under the Obama administration, and under the Bush administration really, immigration surges were rooted in government policy.

00:08:09.000 So July 7, 2014, this is from the New York Times.

00:08:12.000 It was one of the final pieces of legislation signed into law by President George W. Bush, a measure that passed without controversy, along with a pension bill and another one calling for national parks to be commemorated on corners.

00:08:22.000 This is a piece of legislation we're very proud to sign.

00:08:24.000 A White House spokesman, Tony Fratto, told reporters December 28, 2008, Now the legislation, this is the New York Times, right?

00:08:28.000 Not Breitbart.

00:08:28.000 Not a right-wing publication.

00:08:36.000 Now the legislation, enacted quietly during the transition to the Obama administration, is at the root of the potentially calamitous flow of unaccompanied minors to the nation's southern border.

00:08:45.000 Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers, as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone, who are not from Mexico or Canada, by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.

00:09:00.000 They have an opportunity to appear in an immigration hearing and consult with an advocate.

00:09:04.000 This of course lengthens, it puts strains on the system, lengthens the amount of time that these kids are in the system in the first place.

00:09:10.000 So, there are a bunch of lies that are being told right now.

00:09:12.000 And we'll go through a lot of the lies that are being told by the media in just a second.

00:09:15.000 But some of the lies being told are that Trump is randomly deciding to separate kids at the border.

00:09:20.000 He doesn't have to do that.

00:09:21.000 He does have to do that by operation of law.

00:09:23.000 The only thing the Trump administration is doing differently is they are treating everyone who is crossing the border illegally

00:09:28.000 As an illegal immigrant for prosecution, for purposes of prosecution. 0.97

00:09:31.000 And then because you're doing that, the kids can't stay in custody with the parents longer than 20 days.

00:09:36.000 And that is operation of law once again.

00:09:38.000 Now, the media are going nuts over all of this, and they are making a huge fuss out of all of this.

00:09:44.000 They're showing up at the border, and they're showing up at these particular border stations where the kids are being held.

00:09:51.000 The kids are being held separately in what are cages, essentially.

00:09:56.000 Now, when they say cages, it makes it sound like, you know, it's like a chicken coop, like it's tiny.

00:09:59.000 It isn't.

00:10:00.000 But, of course, technically they are cages because it's chain-link fence separating people.

00:10:03.000 So the administration has tried to fight back against the cages.

00:10:07.000 The Cages descriptor saying the kids are being treated pretty well.

00:10:10.000 The kids are being treated by some accounts well, by some accounts not as well.

00:10:14.000 Apparently one of the regulations on the books is that federal employees are not allowed to touch the kids.

00:10:19.000 For fear of lawsuit.

00:10:20.000 So that means that some of the illegal immigrant children are changing the diapers of other illegal immigrant children they don't even know. 0.77

00:10:25.000 The conditions are not good.

00:10:27.000 All of this is underfunded.

00:10:28.000 Congress could solve all of this, by the way.

00:10:30.000 Congress could solve all of this today.

00:10:32.000 All they have to do is pass a law that says that if you come into the country illegally with your parents, your parents and you get to stay together.

00:10:38.000 You get to stay in custody together.

00:10:40.000 That would be the way that you fix this law.

00:10:42.000 And then it's the parent's option whether they want the kids released to the custody of the HHS or released to the custody of a family member already in the United States, but they get to stay with the parents otherwise.

00:10:52.000 Congress can do that tomorrow, and Congress should do that today or tomorrow.

00:10:56.000 Apparently, I'm hearing from the Speaker's office, from Speaker Ryan's office, that's exactly what Speaker Ryan is going to pursue.

00:11:00.000 Plus funding for expanded facilities to ensure that parents can stay together with their kids when they come across the border.

00:11:06.000 So all of this is in the process of getting solved.

00:11:09.000 I do find it somewhat suspicious that the media have decided to jump both feet on the bandwagon, as though this is some sort of great human rights catastrophe brought on by the Trump administration, when of course all of this started under the Obama administration, or at least it was happening under the Obama administration.

00:11:22.000 Brandon Darby from Breitbart

00:11:24.000 He had a bunch of photos.

00:11:25.000 I remember when I was working at Breitbart, still, he put out all these photos.

00:11:28.000 These are all photos of a bunch of people, including children, who are at these detention facilities.

00:11:33.000 It doesn't look that great, right?

00:11:34.000 I mean, this is from 2014.

00:11:36.000 You can see all the photos.

00:11:37.000 This is from 2014, and it's children who are separated from males, who are separated from females.

00:11:42.000 These facilities are overcrowded.

00:11:45.000 All of this was happening in 2015.

00:11:46.000 There's nothing new happening here.

00:11:48.000 But the implication is there's something new happening here because it's Trump.

00:11:51.000 And that, of course, is not true.

00:11:54.000 That's just not true.

00:11:54.000 We're going to get to the media coverage of this in just a second and talk about the administration's response and really what the administration did do wrong in just a second.

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00:13:29.000 The Trump administration, with all this said, that the Trump administration is basically following the law, and if you don't like the law, change the law, the Trump administration did do a couple of things wrong here. 0.93

00:13:39.000 So the first thing they did wrong is they sent out Stephen Miller and John Kelly to say incredibly dumb things.

00:13:43.000 So Stephen Miller, who's sort of the president's immigration guru, I know Stephen, I think Stephen's a nice guy, but Stephen made the big boo-boo of going out in public and saying that we want to use the separation of children from parents as a deterrent to prevent people from crossing the border.

00:13:56.000 Hey, you should not be using the suffering of children as a deterrent to keep parents from crossing the border.

00:14:00.000 That's not the way to do this.

00:14:02.000 The deterrent to crossing the border is that you get sent back.

00:14:04.000 It should not be that you take kids away from their parents.

00:14:06.000 This causes psychological harm and psychological damage.

00:14:09.000 It shouldn't be a situation, as we've heard from some of these reports, where the parents aren't even told that they're being separated from the kids, that the kids are sort of taken away, and then two hours later, the parents are told, oh yeah, by the way, you're not gonna be able to see your kid again, right?

00:14:19.000 That kind of stuff is a problem, and that kind of stuff is frightening, and should not be happening in the United States.

00:14:24.000 To say that you're using that as a deterrent effect, that's a serious problem, and that should not be done. 1.00

00:14:29.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:14:29.000 Jeff Sessions also came out, and he quoted the Bible. 1.00

00:14:32.000 He said, listen, the Bible says that you should abide by the law.

00:14:34.000 If you violate the law, you subject yourself to prosecution.

00:14:39.000 I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government.

00:14:49.000 Because God has ordained the government for his purposes.

00:14:53.000 Okay, so again, I know Senator Sessions or Attorney General Sessions, and I think on some of his immigration policy he's been exactly right.

00:15:01.000 You probably shouldn't be grinning so broadly when you talk about separating families from their children.

00:15:04.000 It's just not smart.

00:15:05.000 For folks who can't see the video, he's standing there and he's grinning pretty broadly as he quotes the Apostle Paul.

00:15:11.000 Again, you don't have to do that.

00:15:12.000 Just say, abide by the laws of this country.

00:15:14.000 I mean, this is a very serious topic, obviously.

00:15:16.000 Well, the Homeland Security Secretary, Secretary Bridget Nielsen, or sorry, Kirstjen Nielsen, she has come forward, and she says that the reporters and by members of Congress, the reporting is not true on this, and she's correct.

00:15:29.000 She says, this misreporting by members, press, and advocacy groups must stop.

00:15:32.000 It is irresponsible and unproductive.

00:15:33.000 As I've said many times before, if you are seeking asylum from your family, there's no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry.

00:15:40.000 This is exactly right.

00:15:41.000 And right now, the policy is if you cross between ports of entry, we will arrest you and we'll prosecute you.

00:15:45.000 But if you show up at one of the border ports of entry, then you'll be treated as an asylum seeker and you won't be separated from your kids.

00:15:51.000 And she continues.

00:15:52.000 She says.

00:15:54.000 You are not breaking the law by seeking asylum at a port of entry.

00:15:56.000 And she continues as well.

00:15:58.000 And she says, for those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger.

00:16:04.000 There is no custodial relationship between family members or if the adult has broken a law.

00:16:09.000 And she finishes up. 0.69

00:16:10.000 She says, DHS takes very seriously its duty to protect minors in our temporary custody from gangs, traffickers, criminals, and abuse.

00:16:17.000 And then she finishes by saying, we do not have a policy of separating families at the border, period.

00:16:21.000 Everything she says there is factually true.

00:16:23.000 Now, the media are lying about this.

00:16:24.000 And in just a second, I'm going to show you how the media are lying about all of this and turning it into a major issue when, in fact, this is an easily solvable issue if we could just get past all the politics.

00:16:33.000 So we begin with Chuck Todd.

00:16:35.000 So Chuck Todd has on Kellyanne Conway on NBC News on Sunday.

00:16:38.000 And he says that the goal of the Trump administration is to hold children hostage to get Democrats to pass some law.

00:16:45.000 That obviously is not the goal here.

00:16:47.000 The operation of law, the operation of law, it's not up to Trump.

00:16:51.000 The operation of law says that if you arrest a parent illegally crossing the border, the kid cannot be held in custody for longer than 20 days.

00:16:58.000 That is the law.

00:16:58.000 Trump did not make up the law.

00:17:00.000 Trump cannot violate that law unless he just decides to release illegal immigrant parents who are crossing between border ports of entry illegally.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, all the lies that are being told today are really astonishing, and Chuck Todd forwards that game here.

00:17:10.000 And this is going to sound harsh, but it sounds like you're holding these kids hostage.

00:17:13.000 No.

00:17:13.000 To get the Democrats to the table to pass some law.

00:17:16.000 You just laid out a very compassionate case for why.

00:17:19.000 I understand.

00:17:20.000 You just laid out a very, with a lot of compassion and a lot of empathy in there.

00:17:25.000 But it's not very empathetic that the most traumatic thing to do to a kid?

00:17:29.000 Separate them from their parents.

00:17:30.000 Okay, so what's your solution, Chuck?

00:17:31.000 So what's your solution, Chuck?

00:17:32.000 Right, this is the part that makes me crazy.

00:17:34.000 The solution that is being proposed by people on the left is that Trump should just release people into the interior of the United States.

00:17:39.000 That is the solution that they are proposing right now.

00:17:41.000 That is not a solution.

00:17:42.000 There are laws on the books.

00:17:44.000 You do not get to cross into the country illegally.

00:17:45.000 Again, we have provisions that say if you come to a port of entry in the United States, then we will treat you like a normal asylum seeker.

00:17:52.000 If, however, you are sneaking through the brush near Sonoma, and you just decide to cross the border illegally, not near a port of entry, and we catch you, we're not going to treat you as though you were an asylum seeker, because if you were an asylum seeker, you would have gone to a port of entry. 0.58

00:18:05.000 But the media are just lying flat out about this.

00:18:07.000 I will say, I thought that the most hilarious thing is after Jeff Sessions quoted the Bible to say that people should abide by the law, MSNBC decided to ask, what would Jesus do?

00:18:14.000 So apparently Trump has now won the war on Christmas.

00:18:17.000 Trump has officially won the war on Christmas because he's got the anchors at MSNBC actually reading the Bible.

00:18:22.000 I do enjoy when folks on the left start reading the Bible.

00:18:25.000 And they skip over all the parts about, you know, like abortion and same-sex marriage and adultery, and they skip over all of those parts and they go straight to the most vague portions that support their position.

00:18:34.000 So here's Ali Velshi on MSNBC, who I guess went to some sort of seminary, and he did a full segment on MSNBC called, What Would Jesus Do About Illegal Immigration?

00:18:44.000 But Jesus said, suffer little children and forbid them not to come unto me for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

00:18:52.000 What does that have to do with illegal immigration?

00:18:53.000 Let's go to Matthew chapter 25 again, this time verse 40.

00:18:57.000 And the king shall answer and say unto them, verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

00:19:12.000 That's just a small sampling of what's in the Bible.

00:19:15.000 Well, hallelujah!

00:19:17.000 MSNBC calling out the priests and the pastors to talk about everything that's going on on the border.

00:19:21.000 Again, you're not going to see them do this with regard to Planned Parenthood.

00:19:24.000 That was the most ironic tweet in all of this.

00:19:26.000 Planned Parenthood tweeted this out.

00:19:28.000 Here's what Planned Parenthood tweeted.

00:19:29.000 They tweeted out, In our hearts and minds today, all of the fathers and parents who have been separated from their children at borders, keep families together.

00:19:35.000 Hashtag Father's Day.

00:19:37.000 Um, and then it says, you deserve to be together regardless of immigration status.

00:19:40.000 Keeping families together is reproductive justice. 1.00

00:19:44.000 You kill babies! 0.99

00:19:45.000 Okay, that's what Planned Parenthood does for a living. 0.99

00:19:48.000 300,000 unborn children a year.

00:19:51.000 Now, whatever you may say about separating families from children at the border, and again, I think there's an easy congressional fix to all of this that Speaker Ryan's office has told me they're already pursuing today.

00:19:58.000 You know, even if you believe that that's something that ought to be fixed, what Planned Parenthood does to kids, a lot worse than separating them at the border for a week and a half.

00:20:07.000 They kill them.

00:20:08.000 So I do love how the left suddenly is interested in God and the Bible when it comes to illegal immigration.

00:20:13.000 By the way, I just want to note this, you know, as someone who's fond of the Old Testament, right, I wear the funny hat on my head because I'm fond of the Old Testament.

00:20:19.000 And I like it in the original Hebrew, you know, the hardcore way. 1.00

00:20:22.000 And whenever it talks about treating strangers in your land with certain respect, the precondition in all of Jewish law for all of Jewish history is that people have to accept the law of the land.

00:20:30.000 If you violate the law of the land, you're not treated like a stranger in the land, like a ger toshav, right? 1.00

00:20:34.000 You instead are treated like somebody who is violating the law of the land.

00:20:37.000 You're treated like a criminal. 0.98

00:20:38.000 So to misquote the Bible purposefully is really ridiculous. 0.97

00:20:42.000 Now the worst of all is Kathy Griffin, of course, because Kathy Griffin only makes a headline when she says something absolutely awful. 0.88

00:20:47.000 So she decided that she would go off on Melania. 0.71

00:20:52.000 She said, F you, Melania. 0.99

00:20:53.000 You know damn well your husband can end this immediately. 1.00

00:20:55.000 Feckless, complicit piece of bleep. 1.00

00:20:57.000 I do love that so many folks on the left are so angry at all the women in the Trump administration. 1.00

00:21:01.000 They're feckless and complicit.

00:21:03.000 It's so funny. 0.87

00:21:04.000 All those people wouldn't say that Hillary Clinton was feckless and complicit when it came to her husband's exploitation of women. 1.00

00:21:08.000 But it's a different thing when you're talking immigration policy and Melania Trump.

00:21:11.000 Like, Melania's just going to stroll on into the Oval, and suddenly Trump's going to shift his immigration policy because Melania said something.

00:21:17.000 Now, the routine that is making the most headlines today is Laura Bush has an op-ed today that we need to go through in just a second.

00:21:25.000 Plus, we have a bunch of preening Democratic lawmakers I want to talk about.

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00:22:44.000 Alright, so, Laura Bush has now sounded off.

00:22:47.000 Now, I do find this weird, okay?

00:22:48.000 I really like Laura Bush, I have a lot of respect for Laura Bush, I think she was a very good first lady, but I don't know why it was that Laura Bush was silent about so much of policy under the Obama administration, and now she's speaking out about the Trump administration.

00:22:59.000 I suppose the idea here is that Republicans are supposed to police their own, so when something really bad happens, Republicans are supposed to speak up.

00:23:06.000 That's fine with me, but I think that this particular piece is not supremely accurate.

00:23:11.000 And not only do I think that it's not supremely accurate, I think that it actually forwards some falsehoods.

00:23:15.000 So here's what Laura Bush has to say.

00:23:16.000 She says,

00:23:20.000 I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents.

00:23:24.000 In the six weeks between April 19th and May 31st, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care.

00:23:31.000 More than 100 of these children are younger than four years old.

00:23:34.000 The reason for these separations is a zero tolerance policy for their parents.

00:23:37.000 Well, they're not accused.

00:23:40.000 They illegally crossed our borders.

00:23:49.000 So, again, here's the problem.

00:23:51.000 I understand empathy.

00:23:52.000 Empathy makes for bad politics.

00:23:53.000 It does.

00:23:54.000 Okay, sympathy makes for good politics.

00:23:55.000 Empathy makes for bad politics.

00:23:56.000 Sympathy is, I feel bad for you.

00:23:58.000 Empathy is, I feel you.

00:24:00.000 Meaning, I am putting myself in your shoes.

00:24:02.000 Well, how about putting yourself in the shoes of the immigration agent who has to decide whether to release an unvetted illegal immigrant family 0.99

00:24:08.000 There are stories, by the way, of gangs who have been smuggling children across the border specifically for this purpose, because they know that if they have a kid with them, they're more likely to be released into sort of general society.

00:24:18.000 Now, that's a rarity, but it is happening.

00:24:20.000 And we have to be vetting who comes into the country in the first place. 0.99

00:24:23.000 Is the policy supposed to be that if you show up with a six-month-old, that we just release you into the country?

00:24:27.000 Because right now, that's the law.

00:24:29.000 Right now, you have two choices.

00:24:29.000 I can either arrest the parent and separate out the kid, or I can release them into the country.

00:24:33.000 If the idea is you come in with a kid under four, you get released, how many people do you think are going to rush that border?

00:24:38.000 A lot.

00:24:39.000 A lot of people.

00:24:39.000 This is not to say you should create a policy to deter immigration by separating the kids.

00:24:44.000 Instead, you should change the policy so the kids get to stay with the parents in some sort of custody.

00:24:48.000 That'd be the way to do this.

00:24:49.000 But if the alternative is release a bunch of kids in the middle of the country with their parents, I just don't see that.

00:24:54.000 Here's what Laura Bush writes.

00:24:55.000 She says, Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside El Paso.

00:25:03.000 These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in American history.

00:25:10.000 We also know this treatment inflicts trauma.

00:25:11.000 Interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who are not interned.

00:25:17.000 This is not Japanese-American internment, okay?

00:25:19.000 That was taking American citizens and forcibly relocating them to camps when they were integrated into American society already. 0.77

00:25:26.000 They had rights under the U.S.

00:25:28.000 Constitution.

00:25:28.000 The same is not true of people illegally crossing the border.

00:25:30.000 And again, it was the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, the most left court in America, that made this policy.

00:25:35.000 It was not Trump.

00:25:36.000 I don't like the inaccuracy here.

00:25:38.000 You can make a case for legislation that fixes all of this without being inaccurate about your reporting.

00:25:42.000 Laura Bush continues,

00:26:03.000 People on all sides agree our immigration system isn't working, but the injustice of zero tolerance is not the answer.

00:26:08.000 I moved away from Washington almost a decade ago, but I know there are good people at all levels of government who can do better to fix all of this.

00:26:14.000 Yes, of course we can.

00:26:15.000 But this starts by not being inaccurate about the state of the law.

00:26:27.000 It starts by not being inaccurate about the state of the law.

00:26:28.000 It also starts by not being inaccurate about illegal immigration and the cost of illegal immigration.

00:26:33.000 Now, there's been a lot of talk about illegal immigration increasing crime rates.

00:26:37.000 The data are mixed on all of that.

00:26:39.000 There's been a lot of talk about illegal immigration and its effects on the economy.

00:26:43.000 The evidence suggests that illegal immigrants are more of a drain on the economy than a help to the economy since they don't pay taxes. 1.00

00:26:47.000 They pay, you know, state sales tax, but that's about it.

00:26:51.000 But it is certainly true that every crime that is committed by an illegal immigrant inside the United States is a crime that didn't need to happen. 0.99

00:26:57.000 For example, over the weekend, authorities said five undocumented immigrants are dead following a chase involving Border Patrol agents on Sunday afternoon.

00:27:04.000 Dimmock County Sheriff Marion Boyd said the crash happened off Highway 85 in Big Wells at about noon.

00:27:09.000 Boyd said agents were chasing the SUV when it lost control and overturned.

00:27:12.000 The vehicle was traveling at more than 100 miles per hour when it crashed.

00:27:15.000 Fourteen people were inside, including the driver and passenger.

00:27:19.000 Twelve immigrants were ejected.

00:27:21.000 Four died at the scene when the car crashed and rolled over, according to Boyd.

00:27:24.000 A fifth person later died at the hospital.

00:27:26.000 A total of nine people were transported to the hospital, including five who went to San Antonio Military Medical Center.

00:27:31.000 The rest went to local hospitals.

00:27:32.000 The driver is a United States citizen who was among those transported.

00:27:35.000 A Border Patrol agent observed three vehicles traveling one behind the other on FM-2664 and suspected a smuggling attempt was happening, the agency said in a statement.

00:27:43.000 The agent was able to stop one of the vehicles and called out a description of the other two.

00:27:46.000 A second Border Patrol agent was able to pull over the second vehicle.

00:27:49.000 The third refused to stop.

00:27:50.000 The agency said multiple arrests were made in both vehicles.

00:27:53.000 The passenger, also believed to be a U.S.

00:27:55.000 citizen, is currently in custody.

00:27:57.000 Boyd says they need a wall built in this area because this is a real problem in the area.

00:28:01.000 So, while there's a lot of talk about weakening immigration law, you know, we ought to remember that a country worth its salt does have borders.

00:28:08.000 Now, lawmakers are making hay while the sun shines here.

00:28:11.000 So are politicians.

00:28:12.000 Michael Hayden, General Michael Hayden, who is a member of the Obama administration, I believe.

00:28:16.000 I would have to actually look up his credentials, but Michael Hayden tweeted this out.

00:28:20.000 Like Laura Bush, you know, trying to compare all of this to internment camps.

00:28:24.000 Michael Hayden then tweeted out a picture of the railway station at Auschwitz, right?

00:28:29.000 Like Auschwitz-Birkenau.

00:28:30.000 He tweeted out, other governments have separated mothers and children. 1.00

00:28:33.000 This is so insulting and so insanely stupid, I can't even tell you. 0.99

00:28:37.000 It is bad enough to compare this to Japanese-American internment camps because it is not similar. 1.00

00:28:41.000 It isn't.

00:28:42.000 But to compare it to the Nazis is just insane.

00:28:46.000 He's a retired U.S.

00:28:46.000 Air Force four-star general.

00:28:47.000 He's former director of National Security Agency and former director of the CIA is Michael Hayden.

00:28:53.000 The fact that he thinks this just demonstrates the lack of knowledge at all levels of the American government.

00:28:58.000 There was separation of children from parents at Auschwitz and then both were gassed.

00:29:02.000 And then they gassed every child to death, and they gassed most of the mothers to death as well. 0.66

00:29:06.000 That is not the same thing as, we're going to put you in protective custody while we take care of your parents' asylum claim.

00:29:12.000 Not quite the same thing at all.

00:29:15.000 But it's just... 0.94

00:29:16.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.97

00:29:17.000 Again, all this media coverage is ridiculous, all of it is unfair, and all of it is designed to elicit an emotional response, when an emotional response may be merited. 0.98

00:29:24.000 Right? 0.79

00:29:25.000 You can see a reason for being emotional about all this stuff.

00:29:27.000 What you can't see is lying about all of this.

00:29:30.000 And this is indeed lies.

00:29:31.000 I mean, these are lies.

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00:30:50.000 So among all of these stupid responses to this immigration debacle is Bill Clinton. 0.99

00:30:54.000 So Bill Clinton responded to all of this because we obviously need his take on the immigration situation. 1.00

00:31:00.000 He tweeted out, On this Father's Day, I'm thinking of the thousands of children separated from their parents at the border.

00:31:04.000 Honestly, I thought on Father's Day he might be thinking of all the children he's never met that he has.

00:31:08.000 He said, On this Father's Day, I'm thinking of the thousands of children separated from their parents at the border.

00:31:13.000 These children should not be negotiating too.

00:31:16.000 And reuniting them with their families would reaffirm America's belief in and support for all parents who love their children.

00:31:23.000 OK, well, I seem to remember back to the 90s, you know, like flashback back to the 90s.

00:31:26.000 Remember this picture?

00:31:27.000 Remember this one?

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 That was when they took Elian Gonzalez from his family at gunpoint and then sent him back to Cuba.

00:31:35.000 Right, because we had to have good relations with Cuba.

00:31:37.000 It's very important.

00:31:38.000 So we actually sent a SWAT team in to remove Elian Gonzalez from the United States.

00:31:41.000 But apparently on Father's Day, this is what Bill Clinton doesn't remember. 0.96

00:31:46.000 Bill Clinton, amidst his hookers and blow, he's sitting around thinking about 0.89

00:31:51.000 All of the children separated from their parents at the border. 0.83

00:31:53.000 All of this is just overwrought and has nothing to do with the actual law.

00:31:56.000 Again, there will be a law passed this week to fix this process as well there should have been before.

00:32:01.000 Now I'm glad there's focus on it because I think the process ought to be fixed, but there's no reason to lie about it.

00:32:05.000 And you see all these lawmakers who are lying about it.

00:32:06.000 Here are lawmakers holding a press conference after touring in the immigration facility.

00:32:10.000 This is Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, one of the greater demagogues in the country, Democrat from Texas. 0.98

00:32:14.000 And here she is making a fuss. 1.00

00:32:17.000 Let me just quickly say that when you have a mother tell you directly that she's in fear that she will never see her child again, and when the United Nations Human Rights Commission indicates to the Trump administration you're violating human rights, then you know that what we are saying today is, President Trump, cease and desist, because you are moving the arc of justice to the heap of despair and the trash heap of injustice.

00:32:41.000 After the parents are in handcuffs, their kids are taken away to parts unknown.

00:32:45.000 That is appalling.

00:32:47.000 And it is un-American.

00:32:48.000 Okay, that's Peter Welch, Democrat from Vermont.

00:32:50.000 Heap of despair and trash heap of history and arcs of justice and oh my goodness.

00:32:54.000 Okay, if you're a parent and you feel like you're never gonna get your kid back, that's horrifying obviously, which is why we should correct the situation.

00:33:00.000 It is also true that every child has been returned to their parent.

00:33:03.000 Has there been a case?

00:33:05.000 Where a kid has been permanently removed from their parent?

00:33:07.000 Have we heard of any of those cases?

00:33:08.000 No, because this is all exaggeration.

00:33:10.000 OK, now again, the policy is not good, but this policy was not implemented by the Trump administration.

00:33:15.000 All they're doing is enforcing the immigration law.

00:33:17.000 That's it.

00:33:17.000 That's the whole thing.

00:33:19.000 But it's just it's it's so irritating to watch people fib and lie about the situation.

00:33:24.000 And this stuff is.

00:33:24.000 It's fibs and it's lies, and it's inappropriate to fib and lie about politics, even if you think that it's going to be helpful.

00:33:30.000 These are the same people who say that Trump lies routinely, while the media are lying about the situation, and it's really, really unpleasant.

00:33:36.000 Okay, now speaking of unpleasant, Peter Strzok.

00:33:38.000 You'll recall last week we talked at length about the Department of Justice Inspector General report about the FBI's actions in the Hillary Clinton email case.

00:33:46.000 And that IG report was pretty damning.

00:33:48.000 The person at the center of the IG report was Peter Strzok.

00:33:50.000 Was an FBI agent who was one of the head agents in charge of both the Russia investigation as well as the Hillary Clinton email investigation.

00:33:57.000 And you'll recall that there was a text that he sent to his lover.

00:34:00.000 He's a delightful fellow who's married, having an affair with a woman who is also married.

00:34:02.000 So just delightful people all the way around.

00:34:04.000 And she texted that Trump wouldn't be president, she hopes, basically.

00:34:07.000 And he said, we'll stop it.

00:34:09.000 Right?

00:34:09.000 That was a direct quote.

00:34:10.000 We'll stop it.

00:34:11.000 Which is just fantastic.

00:34:13.000 So now, Strzok says that he will testify before the House Judiciary Committee without a subpoena.

00:34:18.000 According to his lawyer, Eytan Goleman, he wrote the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, a letter obtained by Law & Crime, quote,

00:34:43.000 So the reason that he's so eager to get in front of the committee, obviously, is because he can fib about all of this.

00:34:49.000 He can just say, when I said, we'll stop it, I mean all of the anti-Trump voters, right?

00:34:53.000 That's really what I meant.

00:34:54.000 Or when I said that I don't want Trump to be president, I didn't mean I was going to use my official auspices to do all of this.

00:35:00.000 Or when I decided that I was going to delay the decision-making about Hillary Clinton's email investigation to pursue the Russian investigation, which is what happened between late September and late October.

00:35:09.000 And when I made that decision, that wasn't politically motivated.

00:35:12.000 After all, if I were politically motivated, I would have released all this stuff to the press.

00:35:15.000 He already said all this stuff to the DOJ, and the DOJ itself found some of this stuff non-incredible.

00:35:19.000 The DOJ itself said that it had problems with Strzok's story, that it thought that it cast really bad light on the FBI's actions in the Hillary Clinton email case.

00:35:29.000 On Thursday, the DOJ's Office of the Inspector General blasted Strzok for his behavior amid the probes into Russia collusion in Hillary Clinton's emails, to say they were ambivalent doesn't quite capture their tone.

00:35:38.000 On the one hand, investigators said they found no evidence tying investigative decisions to anti-Trump messages involving Strzok, according to LawAndCrime.com.

00:35:45.000 On the other hand, quote,

00:35:46.000 When one senior FBI official, Strzok, who helped lead the Russia investigation at the time, conveys in a text message to another senior FBI official, Page, that, quote, will stop candidate Trump from being elected, after other extensive text messages between the two disparaging candidate Trump, it is not only indicative of a biased state of mind, but even more seriously implies a willingness to take official action to impact the presidential candidate's electoral prospects.

00:36:08.000 So, how's the lawyer fighting back?

00:36:29.000 Well, Special Agent Strzok did not backburner an inspection of the Wiener laptop in fall of 2016.

00:36:34.000 Second, while Special Agent Strzok openly admitted he believed the Russia investigation was far more important to American national security than the Clinton email investigation, this conclusion is evidence of Special Agent Strzok's lucidity, not his bias.

00:36:46.000 And so I guess Strzok is eager to testify because he's eager to grandstand about all of the Russian collusion that's supposedly going on.

00:36:52.000 Now, again, there's been no actual evidence presented as of yet of anything beyond attempted collusion.

00:36:57.000 Now, attempted collusion ain't great, but it ain't the same as actual collusion.

00:37:00.000 Strzok wants to get in front of Congress.

00:37:01.000 He wants to get in front of those cameras.

00:37:03.000 It needs to happen.

00:37:04.000 Right?

00:37:04.000 And here's the reality.

00:37:05.000 No matter what he says, the left will claim that Strzok was acting in the best interest of the country, and the right will suggest, I think rightly so, that bias was taking place with regard to the Russia investigation and the Hillary investigation.

00:37:16.000 Bottom line is this.

00:37:17.000 Strzok is still working at the FBI.

00:37:18.000 How he has not been fired is absolutely beyond me.

00:37:21.000 It's absolutely beyond me.

00:37:22.000 No other area of American government would you be allowed to get away with this.

00:37:25.000 If you were a local police officer and there were a shooting, and they found in your messages, text messages about the person that you shot, 0.97

00:37:32.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous. 0.96

00:37:33.000 Okay. 0.97

00:37:45.000 Now, meanwhile, speaking of ridiculous, you know, there's a lot of talk on college campuses these days about structural bias, about racism, institutional racism. 0.94

00:37:54.000 Well, now it turns out that Harvard University is institutionally racist.

00:37:57.000 So a group that is suing Harvard University is demanding that it publicly release admissions data on hundreds of thousands of applicants

00:38:03.000 Basically what they found is that Harvard kept saying over and over and over that all Asian applicants were not good leaders, basically.

00:38:22.000 They said that they were not good leaders or they had personal flaws and that's why they couldn't be admitted despite higher test scores.

00:38:28.000 And what you see is a bevy.

00:38:30.000 So the Caltech, I saw a fascinating chart over the weekend, Caltech admits people simply on the basis of scores and on the basis of grades.

00:38:37.000 And what you saw is that the number of Asian Americans at Caltech has been increasing dramatically over the past 20 years.

00:38:43.000 It started off at a certain level, and then it rose dramatically to the point where it is now, and it looks like a straight line up, basically.

00:38:51.000 It's an arithmetically increasing line.

00:38:53.000 Well, if you look at the levels at Harvard, what you see is a boost in the 80s of Asian-American people attending Harvard, and then it flattens out, and it's stayed flat ever since the 90s.

00:39:03.000 And the same is held true at Yale, and the same is held true at NYU, and the same is held true at most major college universities, which suggests that there is racism going on.

00:39:10.000 It's just that the racism is coming from the left in the form of admissions bias to prevent Asian Americans from getting into schools.

00:39:16.000 You want to talk about institutional racism?

00:39:17.000 We should be talking about institutional racism on the part of these universities.

00:39:21.000 Now, in other news, on Father's Day,

00:39:24.000 It's a good time to celebrate fathers. 0.99

00:39:25.000 The good news is that the left has decided that fathers are useless. 0.96

00:39:28.000 Noah Berlatsky is a columnist for NBC News and he writes for their Think page. 0.90

00:39:32.000 This Father's Day, men are experiencing a crisis of masculinity.

00:39:35.000 The solution?

00:39:36.000 More feminism. 1.00

00:39:37.000 Yeah, that's probably it.

00:39:39.000 Yeah, that'll probably fix it.

00:39:40.000 Tell your boy that he ought to wear a tutu.

00:39:42.000 That's probably going to fix it. 0.98

00:39:43.000 Or tell your boy, don't rape! 1.00

00:39:45.000 That's probably going to fix this thing.

00:39:46.000 It's not that you need men modeling better behavior.

00:39:49.000 What you really need is men preaching the messages of Gloria Steinem.

00:39:52.000 That's definitely going to solve things.

00:39:53.000 Here's what the piece says.

00:39:54.000 We're experiencing a crisis of masculinity.

00:39:56.000 That's the claim of Canadian psychologist and self-help author Jordan Peterson.

00:40:00.000 Peterson argues that feminism and policies like no-fault divorce have destabilized traditional family and social structures. 1.00

00:40:05.000 As a fix for this, Peterson recommends a variety of things, including enforced monogamy, a solution that implies men are oppressed due to lack of consensual sex.

00:40:12.000 Okay, first of all, that is a lie that we have talked about on the show before.

00:40:15.000 Jordan Peterson, when he says enforced monogamy, he does not mean government-enforced monogamy. 0.97

00:40:19.000 He means a societal standard that promotes monogamy, which I thought feminists would be for, in many cases, so that men wouldn't be scumbags cheating on them on a routine basis. 0.99

00:40:28.000 Hey, Peterson's claims have been broadly criticized, but he does have his defenders as well. 0.62

00:40:31.000 He's often argued that the crisis of masculinity has been caused by feminism, which has led to evolving norms generating confusion and mixed signals in the words of Cathy Young writing in the LA Times.

00:40:40.000 Feminism has sent men adrift. 1.00

00:40:41.000 They're no longer sure how to be men.

00:40:42.000 And as a result, they are struggling economically and psychologically.

00:40:46.000 Well, that is kind of true.

00:40:47.000 But here's what Noah Berlatsky says.

00:40:49.000 He says, men experience violence and oppression because norms are not changing.

00:40:52.000 And it is in general powerful men who enforce these unhelpful and sometimes dangerous masculine expectations, not tyrannous feminist women.

00:40:59.000 As in one example, consider male suicide rates.

00:41:01.000 Men are victims of three quarters of suicides in the United States.

00:41:04.000 This isn't because feminists have successfully carried out a campaign to keep men from having sex. 1.00

00:41:08.000 Rather, male suicide rates are tragically high because of traditional stereotypical standards of manliness. 1.00

00:41:13.000 Well, that's idiotic. 0.98

00:41:14.000 Okay, if that were really the case, if you really believe that it was traditional standards of stereotypical masculinity, then why exactly has male suicide increased? 0.99

00:41:22.000 Right?

00:41:22.000 If the standards were the same 50 years ago as they are today, you would expect the suicide rate to be the same 50 years ago as it was today.

00:41:26.000 It isn't. 1.00

00:41:28.000 But Noberlatsky has an idiotic point to make, and here's his idiotic point. 1.00

00:41:32.000 Oh, that's it. 1.00

00:41:36.000 That's it.

00:41:37.000 It's that men won't go to the doctor.

00:41:42.000 That's why they're dying in higher numbers.

00:41:43.000 Sure, they didn't go to the doctor 50 years ago, but it's that they won't go to the doctor now.

00:41:47.000 Encouraging boys not to cry is dangerous.

00:41:49.000 Encouraging boys to love guns is even more so.

00:41:52.000 Okay, again, loving guns has been part of male culture for as long as guns have been around.

00:41:56.000 And encouraging boys not to cry?

00:41:58.000 Okay, I don't think anybody should cry unless it is warranted.

00:42:01.000 Boys or girls.

00:42:02.000 And then he talks about gender expectations and stereotypical views of men.

00:42:07.000 Mass incarceration disproportionately affects black people and people of color, but it also, and relatedly, affects men.

00:42:12.000 Well, no, it turns out that men have always gone to prison at higher rates because men are more aggressive biologically. 1.00

00:42:17.000 So, in order to get to this idiotic point, basically, Noah Borlatsky has to suggest that the only thing that has changed is that men have become worse, which is stupid and untrue. 0.96

00:42:26.000 And the only thing that has changed is that societal standards have changed, and this is making men more unhappy in certain ways, and maybe we should take a look at those societal standards and determine whether they are useful or not, or whether they are counterproductive or not. 0.96

00:42:36.000 Okay, time for some stuff I like and then some stuff I hate, and then we'll do a Federalist paper.

00:42:40.000 So,

00:42:41.000 Thing I like today.

00:42:43.000 I get a lot of questions about what kind of Jewish literature is worth reading.

00:42:46.000 There's an excellent book I finished over the weekend by Micah Goodman.

00:42:49.000 This came out in Hebrew and Israel.

00:42:51.000 It's been translated now.

00:42:51.000 It's called Maimonides and the Book that Changed Judaism, Secrets of the Guide for the Perplexed.

00:42:56.000 It really is a sophisticated take on Guide for the Perplexed, which is a very difficult book to read unless you know Aristotelian philosophy and teleology.

00:43:05.000 You've read some Plato.

00:43:06.000 It's a very complex book.

00:43:07.000 Leo Strauss, one of the great philosophers of the 20th century, has about 500 pages of essays on...

00:43:13.000 We're good to go.

00:43:35.000 Jimmy Kimmel was criticizing Ted Cruz.

00:43:37.000 And Ted Cruz challenged Jimmy Kimmel to a game of basketball.

00:43:40.000 And Jimmy Kimmel took him up on it.

00:43:41.000 Now, I'm old enough to remember, because I'm from Los Angeles, when Jimmy Kimmel was the sports guy on Kevin and Bean on KROQ 106.7 out here.

00:43:49.000 That was literally how he started his career.

00:43:50.000 He started his career by giving the sports updates in the morning on KROQ.

00:43:54.000 Suffice it to say that I did not listen to K-Rock on my own.

00:43:56.000 I was in a carpool and I used to sit in the middle of the backseat in carpool because I was the smallest kid and I did not get to choose what was on the radio.

00:44:02.000 But that meant I heard a lot of Jimmy Kimmel in his younger days doing the sports updates.

00:44:06.000 The sports guy played Ted Cruz.

00:44:09.000 And Ted Cruz beat him.

00:44:11.000 Ted Cruz beat Jimmy Kimmel in basketball, which is just hysterical.

00:44:14.000 He beat him, apparently, 11-9.

00:44:16.000 And Ted Cruz had a good sense of humor about the whole thing.

00:44:18.000 He went out and took a picture with Grayson Allen, because they're lookalikes, Grayson Allen, the Duke star, and Ted Cruz.

00:44:24.000 And he beat him 11-9.

00:44:25.000 They raised a bunch of money for charity.

00:44:27.000 And this leads me to think that we should have more charity basketball games between celebrities, because something like 5,000 people showed up, which is more than a typical WNBA game.

00:44:34.000 So why not?

00:44:35.000 Ted Cruz versus Jimmy Kimmel.

00:44:37.000 I'd be more interested in watching that than the WNBA. 1.00

00:44:39.000 I mean, I'm sure the level of skill is higher in the WNBA, but still, Jimmy Kimmel, and it's a disgrace to the game of basketball, I'm sure, but it was pretty funny.

00:44:46.000 I mean, if you look at the footage, so good for Ted Cruz.

00:44:48.000 That's got to be just a blot on Jimmy Kimmel's record.

00:44:50.000 He's just got to go home and cry about that every night that he got beat by Ted Cruz in basketball.

00:44:54.000 Hilarious.

00:44:55.000 OK, time for a thing that I hate.

00:45:01.000 All right, so Van Jones, right, had on Kim Kardashian. 0.98

00:45:04.000 Kim Kardashian, of course, is one of the great moral voices of our time.

00:45:07.000 She just, as we know, freed Alice Johnson from prison, the 63-year-old drug dealer who dealt in 3,000 kilograms of cocaine, something like that. 0.99

00:45:16.000 So that's very exciting.

00:45:17.000 So she got one person free.

00:45:19.000 Now she's apparently looking for other people on death row that she can go to President Trump with and try to get him to pardon.

00:45:24.000 So that's very exciting.

00:45:25.000 Van Jones sat down with Kim Kardashian, and he asked her if she wanted to run for public office.

00:45:29.000 Oh, no.

00:45:31.000 Would you ever run for office?

00:45:34.000 Oh, I don't... I don't think that's even on my mind.

00:45:38.000 Trump's president.

00:45:40.000 It could happen.

00:45:41.000 I know.

00:45:42.000 That's why Kanye loves him.

00:45:43.000 It's the idea that anything can happen.

00:45:46.000 So, could anything happen with, uh... I guess, never say never, but that's not gonna be like a Kim's run.

00:45:53.000 Never say never for Kim Kardashian.

00:45:56.000 That's just what we need.

00:45:58.000 Great.

00:45:58.000 Okay, you made a celebrity culture.

00:46:00.000 Live in that celebrity culture. 1.00

00:46:02.000 It's garbage. 1.00

00:46:03.000 It's garbage. 1.00

00:46:03.000 Just because people are famous doesn't mean that they're smart or know what they're doing on politics or know that I know I know we're all supposed to pretend that it's wonderful because Kim Kardashian is talking with Trump and now we're all supposed to pretend this is like a great thing. 1.00

00:46:13.000 Yay.

00:46:14.000 So exciting.

00:46:15.000 Okay, I am not excited that Kim Kardashian is talking with Trump because I don't think she knows things.

00:46:19.000 I think she knows things about certain things.

00:46:21.000 I don't think that the criminal justice system is one of those things.

00:46:24.000 If Trump wants to talk with an expert referred by Kim Kardashian, that's one thing.

00:46:28.000 But if Kim Kardashian is now going to be a politician, I hate that our politics has now suggested that study, reading books, knowing things, these are negatives.

00:46:38.000 It makes you hoity-toity to know stuff. 1.00

00:46:40.000 Well, what utter what utter nonsense and stupidity? 1.00

00:46:43.000 OK, one more thing that I hate. 1.00

00:46:44.000 So there's an article.

00:46:47.000 At a site called The Cut, about a woman who had her boyfriend move in with her and her husband, and they had a kid.

00:46:55.000 So, well done on screwing up your kid.

00:46:57.000 And here's what the piece says, by Ariel Greenberg, as told to Kim Brooks.

00:47:01.000 Rob and I were together for 12 years before we decided to open our marriage.

00:47:04.000 It happened not that long after we had our last child.

00:47:07.000 For most of our relationship, I'd been very focused on my career and then motherhood, without much time to think about my sex life.

00:47:11.000 Once we were done having kids, my sex drive came roaring back.

00:47:14.000 We loved each other very much, but we'd never been a perfect match in terms of sexual compatibility.

00:47:17.000 I told him I didn't think our marriage was big enough for my new sexual curiosity.

00:47:20.000 I wanted to explore.

00:47:21.000 Rob was very receptive, but we wanted to take things slowly. 0.72

00:47:23.000 Okay, so note to ladies who say they want an open marriage, the reason your husband is very receptive to open marriage is because men are naturally polygamous and want to go screw as many women as possible. 0.69

00:47:31.000 So no wonder your husband wanted in.

00:47:33.000 Are you sure?

00:47:34.000 Like, shocker.

00:47:34.000 Okay, and then, first of all, I don't believe, I'm gonna say this, I don't believe that a lot, that the issue of sexual compatibility is a real issue.

00:47:42.000 I think it's an issue of personal compatibility treated, extended into the realm of sex.

00:47:47.000 That's what I think about sexual compatibility.

00:47:48.000 I think that if you're a giving person in the bedroom, you're likely to have a very good sex life. 0.98

00:47:52.000 I think that if you're an a-hole in real life, you're likely to be an a-hole in the bedroom. 1.00

00:47:55.000 I think that's just the way that it works. 0.95

00:47:57.000 I think that if two people love each other and they give to each other, they will have a very good sex life. 0.99

00:48:01.000 If not, they'll have a garbage sex life. 1.00

00:48:03.000 This issue of, oh, you know, we love each other and we're really giving and we're great in every other aspect of life, but just in the bedroom, we're really bad together. 0.99

00:48:09.000 I think you're doing something wrong.

00:48:10.000 I think you're doing something wrong and I blame you. 0.99

00:48:12.000 Okay, I don't blame it on, oh, you have exquisite sexual taste and now I need to go out and explore the world and do the Cirque du Soleil tour of sex. 0.98

00:48:19.000 I just don't buy it. 0.75

00:48:20.000 I think it's because you're, I think you're not working hard enough on your relationship.

00:48:23.000 And now that's, sometimes there are physical, actual problems.

00:48:25.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:48:26.000 I'm not talking about you have some sort of physical defect.

00:48:28.000 I'm not talking about you experience pain or something like that.

00:48:30.000 I'm talking about, well, you know, you can have perfectly comfortable sex, but you're just not that into each other sexually and all this.

00:48:35.000 Work on it. 1.00

00:48:36.000 Stop being a jerk. 1.00

00:48:37.000 Okay, so this article continues, and then, apparently, we were very open about what we were doing with everyone, including our kids, who were four and eight at the time, because you will burn in hell, okay? 0.99

00:48:48.000 We sat down with them and explained that some people think when you're married to someone, you can only love that one person, but that we didn't believe that.

00:48:53.000 We thought you could love more than one person at the same time.

00:48:55.000 Our oldest child thought about it and said for a moment, and then said, well, right, I love you, and I also love data.

00:48:59.000 And I said, right, and that was the end of the conversation.

00:49:02.000 That's not the same thing.

00:49:04.000 That is not the same thing.

00:49:06.000 I'm sorry, having sex with multiple people is not the same thing as I love my wife and I love my child. 0.95

00:49:11.000 Unless you're really perverse.

00:49:12.000 Okay, like that's not the way that works right there.

00:49:15.000 I say, children are naturally very tolerant about these things.

00:49:17.000 We teach them our intolerance. 1.00

00:49:19.000 Right, because children are stupid. 1.00

00:49:20.000 Right, because children are dummies. 1.00

00:49:22.000 Okay, I've got two kids under five. 0.92

00:49:24.000 They're wonderful.

00:49:24.000 They're very smart for their age.

00:49:25.000 They're dummies. 0.99

00:49:26.000 Okay, that's because they're kids. 0.99

00:49:28.000 Like, you're supposed to inculcate good values.

00:49:30.000 Okay, anyway, both of us started dating, says this article.

00:49:33.000 Rob began dating a woman pretty seriously, and I was seeing Mike when I first met in my 20s.

00:49:37.000 Ah-ha-ha! 0.97

00:49:37.000 This is what was really going on. 0.97

00:49:39.000 She hooked up on Facebook with an old boyfriend.

00:49:41.000 Right, we'd had a passionate but brief relationship while living on opposite coasts.

00:49:43.000 We had since fallen out of touch.

00:49:44.000 Now he was living five hours away.

00:49:46.000 And we began a long-distance relationship where I'd see him every month or two for a couple of days.

00:49:50.000 After about two years of long-distance dating and getting to know our whole family, Mike decided to move to our town to be close to us.

00:49:55.000 He was divorced and had no kids and a job he could do from anywhere.

00:49:57.000 When he first moved, he rented an apartment a few blocks away.

00:50:00.000 The idea was he'd live there for a year or more and we'd see how it went.

00:50:02.000 But it became immediately apparent that it didn't just make sense because he and I wanted to spend every night together.

00:50:06.000 And he was eating all his meals with us.

00:50:07.000 So it turns out that she wasn't, like, just not happy with her husband. 0.54

00:50:10.000 She didn't want to have sex with him at all. 0.99

00:50:11.000 She wanted to have sex with this other dude. 0.99

00:50:13.000 But she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. 0.92

00:50:15.000 Rob and Mike got along well from the start, not like best friends, but they genuinely enjoyed each other's company.

00:50:20.000 If I wasn't home, they'd watch basketball or make dinner together. 0.95

00:50:22.000 Because your husband's a doof. 1.00

00:50:24.000 They wouldn't turn to each other if they were in crisis. 0.81

00:50:27.000 For that, they'd turn to me.

00:50:28.000 But they got along well.

00:50:29.000 Of all the questions people ask me about non-monogamy, the one I get most is probably about the living arrangement.

00:50:34.000 People want to know why Mike got to live with us while none of the people Rob dated got to.

00:50:38.000 This seems like such a silly way to look at it.

00:50:39.000 The reasons you do or don't choose to live with a partner are complicated.

00:50:42.000 It's not that Mike got to live with us, it's that it made sense for him to move in.

00:50:44.000 He was getting a divorce.

00:50:45.000 He had no kids.

00:50:46.000 He worked from home.

00:50:47.000 And sure, we had two kids who weren't involved with Mike, but my kids don't matter because, hey, I want to get my rocks off.

00:50:53.000 And they decided to have a small bedroom on the first floor because it was more private.

00:50:57.000 The idea is that Rob and I would keep the master bedroom and I could go downstairs and sleep with Mike when I wanted to.

00:51:01.000 Honestly, Rob has always preferred to sleep alone and was happy to have the bed to himself because Rob, as we have mentioned before, is a doof. 0.63

00:51:08.000 And then the best part of this?

00:51:11.000 At the very end, it turns out that they're thinking about divorce.

00:51:15.000 Shocker! 0.98

00:51:16.000 Shocker! 0.98

00:51:16.000 It says, I love this. 0.98

00:51:17.000 So we decided to divorce!

00:51:29.000 Oh! 0.60

00:51:30.000 Is that what happened?

00:51:31.000 I can't believe it!

00:51:32.000 No!

00:51:33.000 Shocker! 0.98

00:51:34.000 It turns out that when you told your four and eight-year-olds that you can love more than one person at a time, you couldn't!

00:51:39.000 Sho- I couldn't- Wow. 0.86

00:51:41.000 That was not predictable in any way that you would get divorced after having sex with another dude and bring him into your house. 0.97

00:51:45.000 Couldn't- Wha- I'm just- pfft. 0.97

00:51:47.000 Mind blown.

00:51:49.000 Unreal.

00:51:50.000 People might point to that and say, oh, so I guess non-monogamy didn't work in the end.

00:51:53.000 I guess it ruined your marriage.

00:51:54.000 Or they think, poor Rob.

00:51:55.000 But Rob dates.

00:51:56.000 He has a life he fully enjoys and chose.

00:51:58.000 He's about to turn 50.

00:51:59.000 He wanted to feel what it was like to steer his own ship for a while.

00:52:02.000 In a funny way, and given the statistics around infidelity, I think we're a lot more committed to non-monogamy than most monogamous people are to monogamy.

00:52:24.000 No.

00:52:24.000 Statistically speaking, this is false.

00:52:27.000 You are 100% committed to non-monogamy, and the majority of monogamous people are committed to monogamy, and so you ruined your life, and you ruined your children's life, and you ruined your husband's life.

00:52:35.000 So well done, all because you weren't sexually compatible, which really means that you weren't willing to be giving in the bedroom, or your husband wasn't, and you wouldn't talk about it.

00:52:42.000 So well done, lady.

00:52:44.000 These people put their kids last.

00:52:45.000 Make me sick. 0.80

00:52:46.000 Make me sick.

00:52:47.000 The kids in this?

00:52:48.000 They don't even come into the picture.

00:52:49.000 It's all about just how you feel in the bedroom.

00:52:52.000 Well, if you're going to do that, don't have kids in the first place, really.

00:52:54.000 If you want to live that lifestyle, live that lifestyle.

00:52:56.000 Don't F up your kids. 1.00

00:52:57.000 Ridiculous. 0.99

00:52:57.000 Okay, time for a quick Federalist paper. 0.99

00:52:58.000 So, Federalist number 33.

00:53:01.000 From the ridiculous to the sublime, Federalist number 33.

00:53:04.000 Alexander Hamilton continues discussing the federal taxing power.

00:53:07.000 So he's talking in the Constitution about the fact that you get to tax at the federal level.

00:53:10.000 A lot of people were afraid this would lead to the federal government becoming overbearing and encroaching.

00:53:15.000 Which happened.

00:53:15.000 Okay, so he begins by discussing the so-called Necessary and Proper Clause.

00:53:18.000 This is the clause of the Constitution that says that the federal government has the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers by the Constitution vested in the government of the United States.

00:53:29.000 In other words, if there's a power in the Constitution, then the federal government can pass a law to effectuate that power.

00:53:35.000 And here's what Hamilton says.

00:53:36.000 He says, What is a power but the ability or faculty of doing a thing?

00:53:40.000 What is the ability to do a thing but the power of employing the means necessary to its execution?

00:53:44.000 What is a legislative power but a power of making laws?

00:53:47.000 What are the means to execute a legislative power but laws?

00:53:50.000 What is the power of laying and collecting taxes but a legislative power or power of making laws to lay and collect taxes?

00:53:55.000 In other words, when it says necessary and proper, if I say you have the power, the legislature has the power to regulate interstate commerce, that means it has the power to pass laws and create agencies to effectuate those laws.

00:54:05.000 Right?

00:54:06.000 Everybody agrees with this.

00:54:08.000 Hamilton says the point of this clause is to restrict the power of the federal government to only that which is necessary.

00:54:15.000 So otherwise, you would just say the government has the power to do whatever it wants.

00:54:18.000 Instead, it says the government has the power to regulate interstate commerce, for example, and then it says the government has the power to do what is necessary and proper to accomplish those effects.

00:54:28.000 Right?

00:54:29.000 Now, here's the problem.

00:54:30.000 Hamilton is totally right about this, but the Supreme Court decided that the Necessary and Proper Clause was not actually the Necessary and Proper Clause.

00:54:37.000 That it was the Government-Should-Be-Able-To-Do-Whatever-It-Wants Clause.

00:54:40.000 It's a serious problem.

00:54:41.000 So, there's a landmark decision by Chief Justice John Marshall in McCulloch v. Maryland.

00:54:45.000 He decided wrongly that the Necessary and Proper Clause was used as the justification for the creation of a national bank.

00:54:52.000 So, the state of Maryland had attempted to impede the operations of the Second Bank of the United States by taxing out-of-state banks.

00:54:59.000 The Second Bank of the United States was the only out-of-state bank, the court ruled against Maryland, and Justice John Marshall said that the Constitution didn't give Congress the permission to create a federal bank, but it gave Congress the implied power to do so under the Necessary and Proper Clause so Congress could realize or fulfill its expressed taxing and spending powers.

00:55:15.000 This is a wrongly decided case.

00:55:17.000 Necessary and proper means necessary, not wanted.

00:55:21.000 Necessary.

00:55:22.000 Was it absolutely necessary for there to be a Bank of the United States to tax and spend?

00:55:26.000 No, we haven't had a Bank of the United States for a century and a half in the United States.

00:55:30.000 And we've been able to tax and spend pretty well.

00:55:32.000 So this was not true.

00:55:34.000 The worries about the Necessary and Proper Clause were well-founded, but it's not clear that without the Necessary and Proper Clause, the Supreme Court wouldn't have done the same thing.

00:55:42.000 Okay, so we will be back here tomorrow with all of the latest.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 18, 2018

Is Trump Tearing Children From Their Parents? | Ep.562

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