Israel destroys 90% of Iran's military and nuclear capacity, Iran fires missiles into civilian areas in Israel, what comes next? We're joined by Amit Segal of Channel 12 in Israel and Sen. Tom Cotton to talk about that, plus the latest on the Minnesota legislative shooter who has now been caught, plus, President Trump's military parade and the No Kings protest.
00:02:08.000Iran basically has decided that what they were going to do is, in response to Israel's attacks, fire ballistic missiles at population centers in Israel, which shows the difference, by the way, between the regimes.
00:02:17.000Israel is striking military targets, military political targets, nuclear scientists, very targeted strikes.
00:02:24.000Iran is firing ballistic missiles, large scale ballistic missiles directly into the population centers and killing old people and children in Tel Aviv.
00:02:33.000The number of people who've been killed thus far is approximately 22 people have been killed thus far in Israel.
00:02:38.000Israel, meanwhile, has destroyed the vast majority of Iran's military capacity.
00:02:46.000Iran is in a bit of a box, as we'll discuss in just a few minutes, with regards to their ballistic missile program.
00:02:51.000Because every time they fire a ballistic missile, they're revealing the location of a ballistic missile launcher, and Israel is then destroying the ballistic missile launchers.
00:02:58.000In fact, last night, there was a Homefront Command warning that went out.
00:03:02.000So there is a system in Israel called Homefront Command where they warn Israeli civilians what to do, where to get to shelter, when to get to shelter, and all the rest.
00:03:09.000There's a Homefront Command that went out late last night in the middle of the night in Israel, and it told everybody to get to a shelter.
00:03:16.000And then for two hours, nothing happened.
00:03:18.000Now, normally, when there's a home front command, there's going to be what's called a red alert.
00:03:21.000The air raid sirens go off within minutes.
00:03:25.000Because Israel was so sophisticated and exact in taking out the missile capacity that they were preemptively destroying the launchers on the ground.
00:03:33.000It took the Iranians two hours to find the capacity to fire a bevy of missiles into Israel.
00:03:39.000So that's how effective Israel is right now.
00:03:41.000Again, Iran is sort of in a catch-22 with regard to its ballistic missile programs.
00:03:45.000If it fires hundreds of ballistic missiles, Israel will immediately identify from where those missiles were fired and destroy the launchers, meaning that they are incapacitated for future use.
00:03:54.000If Iran does not fire, then effectively they have no response to Israel's destruction of their military capacity.
00:04:00.000So Abu Ali Express sums up where things are after three days of war.
00:04:40.000About 120 out of 360 Iranian ballistic missile launchers were destroyed.
00:04:44.000Second, around 15 senior nuclear scientists were eliminated, including nine of the top nine.
00:04:49.000Dozens of senior officials in the Iranian security apparatus were eliminated, including the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, the heads of Iranian intelligence, including those of the IRGC, the commander of the Air and Space Forces of the Revolutionary Guards and his senior command, the commander of Khatam al-Anbiya, the commander of the Tehran Police.
00:05:09.000That last one is important because if there were to be a sort of popular uprising, it would be his job to put it down into Iran.
00:05:15.000Iran's air defense systems have been completely destroyed or rendered ineffective.
00:05:20.000Iran has no capacity to stop Israel's F-35s and F-16s from simply flying sorties unhindered across Iranian airspace.
00:05:29.000The nuclear facility in Natanz was destroyed.
00:05:33.000The level of destruction and the sophistication with which Israel took out the centrifuges at that Natanz facility.
00:05:39.000The nuclear facility in Isfahan was heavily damaged.
00:05:41.000The heavy water facility in Iraq was also attacked.
00:05:45.000There was minor damage inflicted on facilities that were adjacent to Fordow.
00:05:48.000Now, again, Fordow remains the sort of outstanding Israeli task at this point because it's located 90 meters underground encased in cement.
00:05:55.000Now, they can't actually do everything they need to do to develop a nuclear weapon at Fordow, but that is sort of their outstanding capacity thus far.
00:06:02.000Government offices in Tehran are being routinely attacked.
00:06:05.000Israel is taking out the Iranian television station today.
00:06:09.000Israel destroyed a refueling aircraft for Iran.
00:06:12.000Israel has been destroying fuel depots and a refinery in Tehran.
00:06:15.000And by the way, there's plenty more that Israel can do.
00:06:21.000Israel still can take out Ayatollah Khamenei.
00:06:24.000So, again, what is happening is one of the most successful military operations in modern history.
00:06:29.000And anyone who's telling you different, that this is a widespread conflagration or regional war or it's going to escalate into something different.
00:06:35.000There is no evidence of that, certainly.
00:06:37.000And anyone who's telling you that this is two sluggers just beating each other up, that is a lie.
00:06:53.000Now again, they have not yet taken out Fordo.
00:06:56.000When it comes to Natanz, when it comes to Natanz, Natanz is one of their big nuclear facilities.
00:07:02.000And Israel has been striking pretty much every element.
00:07:07.000According to the Wall Street Journal, the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, said that there was a sudden loss of power at Natan.
00:07:15.000So it wasn't just that Israel hit actually the nuclear facility.
00:07:18.000They actually destroyed the power source to the nuclear facility.
00:07:21.000For some reason, the Iranians had thought that they were insulated from that and they had left the centrifuges on.
00:07:26.000And so that may have destroyed many of the roughly 14,000 underground centrifuges.
00:07:30.000They're still running and there's a sudden power outage.
00:07:35.000And when they spin off, the centrifuges are broken.
00:07:37.000The long cascades of centrifuge machines, which spins to produce uranium, are fragile, and they can break if they are not shut down gradually.
00:07:43.000So Israel was capable of essentially shutting them down all at once suddenly, breaking many of them.
00:07:49.000An Israeli official said there were indications the underground portion of Natan's facility may have imploded.
00:07:54.000Iran has also struck critical parts of the supply chain for making a bomb.
00:07:58.000At Iran's Isfahan complex in central Iran, Israel took out four buildings, two of which are must-haves for a nuclear weapon.
00:08:03.000One is Iran's uranium conversion facility, which turns uranium into a gaseous form needed to feed it into centrifuges.
00:08:09.000The second was Iran's fuel fabrication plant, which converts enriched uranium into uranium metal, which makes up a large part of a nuclear warhead.
00:08:17.000So again, outstanding work by the Israeli Air Force, just on a raw military level.
00:08:24.000So Fordow is, again, the big outstanding issue right here, because Fordow is, of course, really, really heavily insulated.
00:08:30.000So I asked perplexity what munitions would Israel require in order to destroy the Iranian nuclear facility at Fordow?
00:08:37.000So, either a GBU-57 massive ordnance penetrator, an MOP, A 30,000-pound MLP can reach approximately 60 meters through Earth or 18 meters through reinforced concrete, but Fordow's depth exceeds even that capacity.
00:09:07.000Even to carry that would require a B-2 or a B-21 radar.
00:09:11.000Presumably, Israel could try to use a repeated slew of GBU-31B or GBU-28 bunker busters.
00:09:19.000Those were the ones that were used in strikes on Hezbollah's underground facilities.
00:09:23.000So they'd have to drop a bunch of those in a row.
00:09:26.000So obviously, this is the big challenge for Israel.
00:09:28.000So, with all of that said, what exactly has to happen?
00:09:31.000Well, one of two things has to happen.
00:09:33.000Either the Iranian regime is going to give up Fordo because they are sustaining so much damage that the only way to retain their actual leadership of Iran is to give up Fordo voluntarily in the same way that Muammar Gaddafi gave up his nuclear facilities, his nuclear ambitions.
00:09:48.000Or there will have to be some sort of special commando raid by the Israelis or some other special plan by the Israelis or the possibility of a 1B2 sortie.
00:09:59.000And here's where President Trump's strategy comes into play.
00:10:01.000I'll get to President Trump's strategy in a moment because it's like true, truly for each other what the president has done here.
00:10:07.000The president of the United States has, with no use of American military personnel, devastated the Iranian nuclear resources to the point that Iran is begging the Americans to come to the table now.
00:10:18.000Begging the Americans to come to the table now.
00:10:20.000And President Trump has said, listen, all options are still on the table.
00:10:23.000It may be that if Fordow is still And the Iranians will not come to the table.
00:10:34.000That one B-2 sortie ends Fordow, and that there is no capacity for Iran to fire back because Israel has already destroyed all of the ballistic missiles that would have been outgoing to any place that threatens Americans.
00:10:45.000And that is part of the strategy, I believe, at this point.
00:10:49.000The Wall Street Journal says Iran's largest uranium enrichment site in Atans has been damaged, as has Isfahan.
00:10:56.000Meanwhile, the enrichment site at Fordo, which is buried deep under a mountain, has not been touched.
00:11:00.000The enriched uranium at Fordo is believed to be enough to produce several bombs.
00:11:03.000The danger is that if Iran retains the nuclear fuel it has already enriched, as well as the centrifuges to enrich more, the country could sprint to make a bomb.
00:11:10.000This is where the United States comes in.
00:11:12.000Israel lacks the deep penetrating bombs and the heavy bombers to deliver them that could do more damage to buried sites.
00:11:17.000Israel would like the US help in taking out those nuclear sites.
00:11:21.000President Trump seems reluctant to do so for reasons he and the administration haven't explained.
00:11:25.000President Trump endorsed the initial attacks, though he continues to suggest the bombing could increase the chances of a negotiated deal to dismantle Iran's nuclear program.
00:11:32.000So I think that this is what President Trump is doing.
00:11:34.000President Trump is basically using the Israelis as the bad cop, and he is the good cop.
00:11:38.000He is saying to the Iranians, listen, we can just let the Israelis off the chain.
00:11:42.000The Israelis are doing what they're going to do, and we don't control them.
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00:14:59.000Well, Prime Minister Netanyahu was on Fox News with Brett Baer over at Fox News last night, and he was explaining why he decided to make the move right now.
00:15:07.000He said, we faced a dual existential threat, says the Prime Minister.
00:15:11.000Because we were facing an imminent threat, a dual existential threat.
00:15:17.000One, the threat of Iran rushing to weaponize their enriched uranium to make atomic bombs with a specific and declared intent to destroy us.
00:15:26.000Second, A rush to increase their ballistic missile arsenal into the capacity that they would have 3,600 weapons a year, new weapons within three years, 10,000 ballistic missiles, each one weighing a ton, coming in at Mach 6 right into our cities, as you saw today.
00:16:07.000You're seeing video of those ballistic missiles falling into the center of Tel Aviv.
00:16:12.000One nuclear-tipped missile means millions of people dead.
00:16:16.000At the very least, hundreds of thousands of people dead.
00:16:18.000So for all of these supposed peace lovers, It seems like the best way to prevent nuclear war is to prevent the people who are firing ballistic missiles into populated cities from getting nuclear weapons to attach to those ballistic missiles.
00:16:32.000And that is the point that Netanyahu is making right now.
00:16:36.000As far as regime change, there's been a lot of talk about regime change in Iran.
00:16:40.000Now, clearly, the Iranian regime has been weakened.
00:16:42.000This is the weakest point for the Iranian regime since 1979.
00:16:45.000Qasem Soleimani, who the president of the United States, Donald Trump, took out on January 3rd, 2020.
00:16:50.000He had vowed that he was going to create a ring of fire around Israel and that he would make it impossible for the Iranian regime to be put on its back.
00:16:58.000He said that Israel was going to be surrounded by the Houthis in the south, by Hamas in the Gaza Strip, by Hezbollah in Lebanon, by the Assad regime in Syria, by terrorist groups in Iraq.
00:17:08.000And right now, Israel has an open lane, a complete aerial freeway from Israel into Tehran.
00:17:17.000Every element of Qasem Soleimani's dream has been completely destroyed and defeated.
00:17:21.000So, is regime change something that Israel's looking for?
00:17:24.000Well, the Israelis have said, look, we're not interested in trying to foist regime change, but if it's the only way to end the nuclear threat, then that's the only way to end the nuclear threat.
00:17:32.000Here's Prime Minister Netanyahu last night with Brett Baier.
00:17:35.000So, is regime change part of the effort here?
00:17:40.000Could certainly be the result because the Iran regime is very weak.
00:17:44.000I think it's basically left with two things.
00:17:46.000It's plans to have atomic bombs and ballistic missiles.
00:18:18.000Again, Ayatollah Khamenei so far has not been a target of the Israelis.
00:18:22.000We'll get to a fake leak in a moment because there are people in the administration who are trying to leak against the policies of the president of the United States.
00:19:26.000President Trump put out a tweet via Truth Social to that effect, quote, Iran and Israel should make a deal, and we'll make a deal, just like I got India and Pakistan to make.
00:19:33.000In that case, by using trade with the United States to bring reason, cohesion, and sanity into the talks with two excellent leaders who were able to quickly make a decision and stop.
00:19:40.000Also during my first term, Serbia and Kosovo were going at it hot and heavy, as they have for many decades.
00:19:44.000And this long-time conflict was ready to break out into war.
00:20:09.000And how can you tell that it's having an effect?
00:20:11.000Well, because the Iranians are sending some rather mixed signals.
00:20:13.000So yesterday, according to Reuters, Iran told mediators Qatar and Oman that it is not open to negotiating a ceasefire while under Israeli attack.
00:20:21.000They said they will only pursue serious negotiations once Iran has completed its response to the Israeli preemptive strikes.
00:20:28.000Oh, but that's not what they are saying as of today.
00:20:31.000So according to the Wall Street Journal, Iran has been urgently signaling it seeks an end to hostilities and resumption of talks over its nuclear program, sending messages to Israel and the United States.
00:20:41.000The Arab intermediaries, Middle Eastern and European officials said.
00:20:44.000In the midst of a ferocious Israeli air campaign, Tehran has told Arab officials that they would be open to returning to the negotiating table as long as the U.S. doesn't join the attack.
00:20:51.000What they are afraid of is that the United States is going to blow up Florida.
00:20:54.000They also passed messages to Israel saying it is in the interest of both sides to keep the violence contained.
00:20:59.000But with Israeli warplanes able to fly freely over the capital and Iranian counterattacks inflicting minimal damage, Israeli leaders have little incentive to halt their assault before doing more to destroy Iran's nuclear sites.
00:21:08.000And for the weekend, the theocratic governments pulled on power.
00:21:23.000Either they give up Fordo and their entire nuclear program, or the regime's in serious trouble.
00:21:27.000Because if you think that Israel went into this without any plan whatsoever for Fordo, you got to have another thing coming.
00:21:33.000They wouldn't have done this if they didn't have any plan with Fordo, for sure.
00:21:37.000Now again, what's happening right now is that Iran's only response to this is to fire these large ballistic missiles at population centers in Israel.
00:22:25.000Again, the death so far in Israel has been, every death is a tragedy on both sides, obviously.
00:22:31.000The tragedy is on the hands of the Iranian government.
00:22:32.000But, in terms of military comparative terms, the death has been minimal.
00:22:36.000On the Israeli side, part of that is because Israel has been preparing its own citizens for the possibility of war like this for literally decades.
00:22:44.000There's a building program in Israel called Tamim 38 that is deliberately designed to retrofit all old buildings in Israel so that they are safer against bomb attack.
00:22:54.000Israel has hardened its hospitals against bomb attack.
00:22:56.000They actually have subterranean facilities designed in case of a bomb attack.
00:23:00.000That's because they live in the world's worst neighborhood, and so they've been prepping for this for years.
00:23:04.000Obviously, Israel's opponents are happy to watch its own civilians die.
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00:27:05.000Joining me online is Amit Segal, his chief political analyst for Israel's leading news outlet, Channel 12 News, as well as the country's most read newspaper, Idiot Akharonot.
00:27:13.000He also anchors Israel's highly watched Meet the Press.
00:27:20.000So why don't we start with where the war stands after four days?
00:27:23.000Essentially, Israel has done an incredible job, it appears, of knocking off the top levels of the Iranian military.
00:27:29.000They've taken out certain nuclear sites like Natanz.
00:27:31.000The big questions remain, Fordo, what Israel plans to do with the regime?
00:27:35.000Why don't you give me the update on where you think the war stands right now?
00:27:37.000I'm sorry to give an American audience an allegory with football, with the European football, aka soccer, but it's the equivalent of Israel leading 5-0.
00:27:49.000And now we are in the last minute and all the Iranians can do is just, you know, try to hit the players.
00:27:58.000Not to win the game, but to cause damage, to prevent them from playing in the next season.
00:28:21.000The idea of an Iranian new Persian Empire that rules the Middle East.
00:28:26.000Was shuttered and everyone in the Middle East is hearing the noise as we speak.
00:28:32.000Now, what Iranians can do is try to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible in order to deter Israel or to try to create some kind of a balance, but it's definitely not the case.
00:28:45.000Now, as for Fordoo, Fordoo is like the back plan for the fallback position for the Iranian nuclear program.
00:29:18.000Nine out of the nine most influential nuclear scientists are dead.
00:29:23.000And I don't think there would be a high demand if someone is recruiting for office for this new job because it does not promise a long life expectancy.
00:29:38.000So the question at this point is sort of where this goes from here.
00:29:41.000So obviously the IAF has essentially an open runway all the way.
00:29:46.000From Israel to Tehran, there was a warning this morning, Eastern Time, that people should get out of particular areas of Tehran because Israel is hitting military and political targets in Tehran after Tehran has been firing missiles directly into population centers in Israel.
00:30:01.000So far, Israel's air defenses have performed really, really well, but obviously you're talking about hundreds of missiles that have been fired into Israel.
00:30:07.000These are large missiles with significant payloads.
00:30:10.000And so there have been There have been some who have been killed in Israel.
00:30:15.000But on balance, as you say, there's no question that Israel has been absolutely rocking the Iranian regime while the Iranians are basically just attempting to kill Israeli civilians and not being extraordinarily successful at it.
00:30:55.000But first, Israel eliminated their ability to produce many ballistic missiles.
00:31:02.000Israel took their anti-aircraft systems.
00:31:04.000So if they shoot, let's say, 75 missiles a night in order to overcome Israel's anti-missile systems, it means necessarily that within 30 days this war is over for the Iranians.
00:31:19.000More than this, Israel has already taken one third of the launchers, which means that as time passes, Israel knows and recognizes and destroys more than before.
00:31:32.000So I would say they have more for two, three weeks, unless they actually abandon the strategy of trying to overcome the Israeli aircraft systems and Israeli anti-missile systems, and they turn to the Yemenite option of firing one ballistic missile a night, and then they have for three years.
00:31:51.000I don't think they will take the risk because Israel can escalate three, four more levels while Iranians are only left with this aircraft.
00:32:16.000Israel can eliminate Khamenei, as you said.
00:32:19.000One day he'll have to get out of his bunkers somewhere in northern Tehran.
00:32:22.000By the way, Israel knows where he is and he would be killed.
00:32:27.000So I think it leads me to the conclusion that Iranians are seeking a quick end to this conflict before Fordu is destroyed and the Iranian economy would vanish.
00:32:43.000And so that brings up the question of the American involvement in all of this.
00:32:46.000President Trump has suggested that he would like to reach an off-ramp here.
00:32:49.000Obviously, there's a bit of good cop, bad cop that's being played here, where Israel is the bad cop slapping the Iranians around.
00:32:55.000And the United States is saying to the Ayatollahs, listen, if you want to preserve Fordow, if you want to preserve your lives, then you really should come to the table.
00:33:01.000Iran has not evidenced tremendous willingness to do that at this point, probably because they believe that if they give up Fordow, then that will put them in a position where their regime falls inside the next couple of years anyway, because they're deeply worried that without a nuclear future, that their regime is in danger.
00:33:16.000Where do you think the possibility of negotiation lies here?
00:33:19.000Or is Israel just going to continue for the next few days upping the ante, as you say?
00:33:22.000It's kind of a catch-22 for the Iranians.
00:33:24.000If they continue to fire these missiles, even if Israel doesn't eliminate the launchers, they run out of missiles.
00:33:29.000And also, every time they fire a missile, Israel's blowing up the launchers.
00:33:31.000I mean, last night, there was a home command front in Israel, home front command, put out a warning to Israelis that they should all stay near their safe rooms.
00:33:41.000And that was because Israel was preemptively blowing up all of the launchers in Iran that were going hot before they could launch the missiles.
00:33:48.000So Iran is really stuck in a box here.
00:33:52.000I think Iranians have a very narrow path, not to victory, but to actually end the war.
00:33:58.000They must react, must retaliate in order to preserve the standing of the administration in the eyes of the Iranian people and the entire Middle East.
00:34:07.000And on the other hand, they cannot escalate too much because of all the reasons I've just mentioned.
00:34:12.000So what I think is that they must end the war.
00:34:17.000I'm not sure that the Iranians these days, and this Ayatollah Khamenei, the 86-year-old and a very sick and not very stable Khamenei, is the smart guy that we have known in the past.
00:34:29.000We were lectured about Iranians have, you know, a 3000 year experience in bargaining in the bazaar.
00:34:36.000But I have to say that, and you know, because we talked about it privately a few times over the last few months, that...
00:34:47.000They just drove Trump to let Israel, to greenlight Israel, to attack Iran.
00:34:54.000Rationally speaking, they must actually bring the war to an end.
00:34:58.000But from what I'm hearing, and the fact that the Iranian parliament today passed a resolution to leave the anti-profederation treaty, it leads, it almost forces the U.S. to act.
00:35:13.000And that's why I wouldn't gamble on the Iranians, because they don't act rationally.
00:35:19.000So, as far as this is concerned, obviously the missiles continue to fly into Israel.
00:35:25.000As we've said, the death count in Israel at this point is not high by comparative standards, but you're talking about civilians who are being killed in Israel.
00:35:33.000So, what is the attitude on the ground, considering that, again, these missiles are falling in central Tel Aviv, which is a highly populated area?
00:35:44.00022 Israeli citizens and tourists were killed over the last three nights.
00:35:50.000It's not a very pleasant experience to be in the shelter three times a night, although you get used to it.
00:35:57.000You know, my grandmother was born in London and she spent the blitz in the bombed city of London.
00:36:03.000They experienced a total of 40,000 Britons, and just a comparison.
00:36:11.000So Israelis will stand, they will stay firm, they will stand firm, and they will survive.
00:36:16.000You hear amazing things from people who lost their homes and said, and say to the IDF, just, you know, keep buggering on, as Winston Churchill said.
00:36:25.000So I'm quite optimistic about the spirit, the Israeli spirit.
00:36:29.000And I think that, um, Just a few minutes ago, the IDF issued a warning for more than a million citizens in Tehran to leave their homes because Israel is about to bomb the Iranian television, the television that actually spreads poison, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic poison.
00:36:53.000So this is just a hint of what Israel can do without, of course, bombing civilians.
00:37:00.000Well, that's Amit Segol from Channel 12. Remember to check out his Telegram, which is the best source for information on the war and Israeli politics generally.
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00:38:22.000Now, meanwhile, while one of the most transformative geopolitical events of our lifetime is taking place, the entire shifting of the Middle East away from Iran and its allies, the complete destruction of the Iranian octopus, top down, all the arms off.
00:38:34.000While that is happening, there are still people on both right and left who have horseshoe theoryed around and somehow found this to be absolutely terrible.
00:38:41.000Apparently, Iran should have remained, and not only should they have remained in power, the Ayatollahs, but they should be able to pursue their nuclear weapons program, and all of this is just, it's unthinkable.
00:38:50.000The Democrats who are saying this, I have to say, are some of the stupidest people on earth.
00:40:22.000He was speaking at the Center for American Progress, and he suggested that we need Chinese intervention to broker a peace deal here.
00:40:28.000Dude, I know you spent time in China in your youth.
00:40:32.000You can stop being a Manchurian agent at this point.
00:40:35.000Like, seriously, I wonder how good the money is for Tim Walz, because I can think of no other explanation why you would imagine that the Chinese communist regimes regime, one of the most vicious regimes on planet Earth and a geopolitical enemy of the United States, ought to broker peace in the Middle East.
00:42:19.000He tweeted out, war is breaking out because Trump pulled out of the Iran deal and got humiliated by Netanyahu while trying to negotiate his own.
00:42:25.000And he's got to have a military parade for his birthday.
00:42:44.000But don't worry, there's also help from the right side of the people on the right who have now declared that they are the leaders of MAGA, not Donald Trump, actually.
00:42:52.000It turns out that they, they are the great leaders of America First and MAGA.
00:42:57.000So Tucker Carlson put out a statement.
00:43:01.000On Friday, in his newsletter, in which he suggested that the United States was, quote, complicit.
00:43:08.000Donald Trump was complicit in Israel's, quote, unquote, act of war.
00:43:11.000The title of the newsletter was, this could be the final newsletter before all-out war, in which he suggested basically World War III was going to break out.
00:43:19.000The newsletter says, while the American military may not have physically perpetrated the assault, years of funding in sending weapons to Israel, which Donald Trump just bragged about on Truth Social, undeniably placed the U.S. at the center of last night's event.
00:43:30.000Washington knew these attacks would happen.
00:43:31.000They aided Israel in carrying them out.
00:43:33.000Politicians purporting to be America first can't now credibly turn around and say they had nothing to do with it.
00:43:39.000So Donald Trump is purporting to be America first.
00:43:42.000Only Tucker Carlson, who tours Moscow supermarkets to talk about how good the bread is and how he wishes that our subway system ran just like Moscow's.
00:43:49.000Only Tucker Carlson, who does interviews with the leadership of Qatar and talks about how they are an amazing ally to the United States while they simultaneously support Hamas.
00:43:59.000Only Tucker Carlson, who hosts people like Daryl Cooper, the greatest and most honest historian in America, according to Tucker Carlson, who over the weekend suggested that America should launch missiles against Tel Aviv.
00:44:12.000Only Tucker Carlson is truly America first, not Donald Trump.
00:44:16.000Not Donald Trump, who built the America first movement, who built MAGA.
00:44:20.000Only Tucker Carlson and his friends are truly MAGA and America first.
00:44:25.000And then Tucker over the weekend doubled down on this.
00:44:28.000He said, the real divide isn't between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians.
00:44:33.000The real divide is between those who casually encourage violence and those who seek to prevent it, between warmongers and peacemakers.
00:44:39.000Again, this is Tucker's shtick, is that anyone who opposes him is a warmonger who wants more war, just loves war, loves, loves.
00:44:47.000Who are the people who love war, just desperately want war?
00:44:51.000So, he actually says, he says, who are the warmongers?
00:44:53.000They would include anyone who's calling Donald Trump today to demand airstrikes and other direct U.S. military involvement.
00:44:59.000On that list, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter, and Miriam Adelson.
00:45:03.000At some point, they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.
00:45:06.000So first of all, I'm not aware that any of those people are directly calling Donald Trump and saying that he must directly intervene in this current conflict.
00:45:16.000Second of all, his suggestion that you're a warmonger if you want the Iranian nuclear program to end, then I guess Donald Trump is a warmonger because Donald Trump wants the nuclear program to end.
00:45:35.000And it is not Marjorie Taylor Greene who similarly put out a tweet saying, quote, everyone is finding out who are the real America First MAGA and who are fake and just said it because it was popular.
00:45:46.000So I guess that Donald Trump is not the real America First MAGA.
00:45:49.000Only Marjorie Taylor Greene, an obscure congresswoman from Georgia until Donald Trump tapped her on the head.
00:46:21.000Even if you're calling for a single airstrike.
00:46:24.000On Fordow, you know what that looks a lot like?
00:46:25.000It looks like a single airstrike on Qasem Soleimani, which President Trump did in 2020 and was ripped by people like Tucker Carlson, who said that it was going to turn into a regional war.
00:46:33.000Here's my big question for folks like Tucker.
00:46:36.000When he suggests that there are these people who are calling Donald Trump and demanding he do things, who does he think is the decision maker?
00:46:42.000The decision maker in the White House is Donald J. Trump.
00:46:46.000Donald Trump has taken the same position on the Iranian nuclear program since literally the first minute he came down the golden escalator.
00:46:56.000Does Tucker really think that Donald Trump is so manipulable that he gets a call from Ike Perlmutter and suddenly he changes his entire perspective on the Middle East?
00:47:04.000What a low opinion Tucker Carlson must have of Donald Trump's capacities.
00:47:10.000And he thinks that he can manipulate him from the outside or that others are manipulating him in that particular way.
00:47:17.000By the way, President Trump fired back at all of this over the weekend.
00:47:21.000He did an interview with The Atlantic.
00:47:24.000And he was asked about whether the move runs counter to America first.
00:47:28.000And Trump said, well, considering I'm the one that developed America first, and considering that the term wasn't used until I came along, I think I'm the one that decides that.
00:47:37.000For those people who say they want peace, you can't have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon.
00:47:42.000See, this is what not stupid people say.
00:47:44.000Because President Trump is a not stupid person.
00:47:46.000But the people who are attacking him today have predicted that BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, an economic union, they're going to get involved in this in some form or fashion.
00:48:20.000All the isolationists who are horseshoeing around and having fun, happy times with all of their friends on the left, retweeting each other.
00:48:29.000You should just note who those people are and what they actually believe about the president of the United States, about America First, about MAGA, and their complete acquiescence to the idea that a nuclear Iran seems to be fine for the world.
00:48:42.000An asinine notion rejected by anyone with half a brain.
00:48:47.000Okay, joining us on the line to discuss all of this and more, Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas.
00:48:52.000He's chairman of the Intelligence Services Committee and serves on the Armed Services Committee as well.
00:48:55.000Senator Cotton, thanks so much for taking the time again.
00:49:01.000So obviously when last we talked, it was before Israel had launched its preemptive attack on Iran, destroying an extraordinary number of Iranian assets, most of its top military layer, pretty much all of its nuclear scientists.
00:49:13.000Israel has taken out a wide variety of its nuclear facilities.
00:49:15.000The big one that is left largely intact is Fordow, which is the one that's buried some 90 meters underground in cement.
00:49:22.000They have also taken out a wide variety of ballistic missile launchers.
00:49:25.000They said today that they destroyed about one third of Iran's entire ballistic missile launcher capacity.
00:49:30.000The media are covering this as though this is sort of a tit for tat.
00:49:32.000The reality is something very different, which is that Israel appears to be absolutely destroying the Iranian military capacity while Iran has been in really almost terroristic fashion just firing.
00:49:56.000On the other hand, you have a highly precise, very well planned, extraordinarily well executed Israeli campaign against military targets and personnel in Iran.
00:50:07.000As you say, this is all driven, of course, by the threat of a nuclear Iran, what both Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump have always said.
00:50:14.000The world cannot tolerate Iran with nuclear weapons or a nuclear weapons program to include enrichment capability.
00:50:42.000And also destroy those ballistic missiles and launchers that can target Israelis.
00:50:47.000And you can see by the volume of ballistic missiles being fired day after day after day, they seem to be having great success there as well.
00:50:55.000So as President Trump said, we back Israel to the hilt.
00:51:00.000We've helped protect the 700,000 Americans inside of Israel.
00:51:03.000And we can only hope that Iran now understands that Israel and America means business.
00:51:10.000Now, President Trump has played this about as perfectly as you can play this, meaning that Israel is taking out an enormous number of Iranian nuclear assets and Iranian military assets at very essentially zero material cost to the United States.
00:51:24.000The United States is helping shoot down missiles that are coming at Israel and has already obviously militarily funded the Israeli military.
00:51:31.000Israel, of course, spends billions of dollars on American military material every single year.
00:51:37.000Right now, Iran has been wildly degraded.
00:51:38.000The president is telling the Iranians, you need to come to the table and basically give up Fordow, give up your nuclear program, and then you get to live.
00:51:44.000But if not, you know, then the Israelis are going to do what they have to do, seems to be the position of the administration at this point.
00:51:53.000President Trump has kept open the possibility of negotiations.
00:51:57.000He's urged the Ayatollahs to come back to negotiate while they still have something to negotiate with.
00:52:02.000Again, the linchpin of this campaign is the key nuclear sites, especially the enrichment sites.
00:52:10.000Israel is starting to hit some of those.
00:52:12.000Whether or not they have yet succeeded in eliminating any of them is to be determined.
00:52:18.000But it would be an inconclusive outcome if Iran retains any ability to enrich uranium after this conflict ends.
00:52:26.000So those sites are going to have to be closed one way or the other.
00:52:30.000As Senator Cotton, obviously the big question that's being asked by folks is what it will take to, for example, end Fordow.
00:52:37.000Presumably, if the Iranians want to come to the table, they are going to have to give up Fordow.
00:52:41.000They're going to have to give up what's left of Natanz.
00:52:42.000Natanz appears to have been severely damaged.
00:52:44.000There's been a lot of talk about the possibility of the United States using one B2 sortie essentially to take out Fordow.
00:52:50.000The president seems reluctant to do that unless it's sort of kind of last ditch, meaning that all other options have been exhausted at that point.
00:52:58.000Where do you think the American decision-making stands and where should it stand with regard to Fordow?
00:53:04.000Well, the president has been very clear that he's keeping all options on the table.
00:53:07.000He's been clear about that since he came back to the White House in January.
00:53:12.000And I think he's still holding out the possibility to the Ayatollahs that they could negotiate some kind of ceasefire that would probably include the closure of Fordow voluntarily.
00:53:23.000But as I said, Fordow, along with the Tons, if it's not yet totally destroyed, and certain parts of the Isfahan site.
00:53:30.000Are going to have to be closed one way or the other.
00:53:33.000I think anything else would be an inconclusive outcome to this campaign.
00:53:36.000I think the president is just leaving the ball in the Ayatollah's court about how it's going to be closed.
00:53:41.000And I'd make one final point, too, about the early hours of this campaign when you had Mossad agents inside of Iran that were assembling drones there to use against senior military and terrorist leaders inside of Iran and some of their missile sites as well.
00:54:13.000So, Senator Cotton, one of the things that has been kind of apparent and shocking is how many people on the sort of isolationist right have been railing against the president's position on this, directly attacking the president on his position.
00:54:26.000On this, their suggestion, of course, is that this was going to turn into a full-scale regional conflagration in which all sorts of parties were going to be drawn in.
00:54:33.000So far, that appears not even to be remotely the case.
00:54:36.000Essentially, it appears that the Ayatollah actually called up Vladimir Putin and asked him if there was a way out of this.
00:54:41.000And Vladimir Putin, after talking to President Trump, went back to the Ayatollah and said, no, you're going to have to actually negotiate or you're in serious trouble right here.
00:54:48.000There don't seem to be a lot of forces coming to Iran's defense here, Iran's support.
00:54:52.000The only sources that I see that are coming to any sort of material defense of Iran, really the Chinese flying in some resupplied parts, it appears, for ballistic missile development from the east.
00:55:00.000That appears to be the only intelligence that I've seen suggesting any level of outside support Yeah, Iran is totally exposed because Israel has suppressed all their enemy air defenses.
00:55:15.000On the domestic political front, Ben, you would expect to see Democrats criticizing President Trump, as they have.
00:55:23.000It's disappointing to see some Self-appointed so-called MAGA influencers criticizing him, saying that he is violating his own America First foreign policy or he's betraying the MAGA movement.
00:55:36.000And remember what President Trump said in the Atlantic interview over the weekend.
00:55:40.000He's the one that created the MAGA movement.
00:55:43.000He defined the America First foreign policy.
00:55:46.000so-called influencers who don't have any responsibility or accountability to the American people through their votes in our constitutional system, yet want authority over policy, are trying And as he said in that Atlantic interview, they say they want peace.
00:56:06.000You can't have peace with a nuclear Iran.
00:56:08.000You just can't have a peaceful world if Iran is enriching uranium and working on the weaponization of a warhead and preparing to get nuclear weapons.
00:56:17.000Again, we've seen over the weekend they're willing without nuclear weapons.
00:56:21.000Not just to terrorize America, but also to fire ballistic missiles into civilian neighborhoods.
00:56:27.000So I think the president has played this just right.
00:56:33.000He's warning Iran not to harm a single American, especially our troops in the Gulf.
00:56:39.000And we'll see, again, what the Ayatollahs are willing to do now that they understand that Israel and America mean business.
00:56:47.000Between President Trump and the Prime Minister Netanyahu in Israel, essentially they ended not just Qasem Soleimani, but also Qasem Soleimani's dream.
00:56:55.000So the president, of course, authorized the killing of Qasem Soleimani, who was the leader of the terrorist arm of the IRGC back in 2019.
00:57:03.000Soleimani had essentially said publicly that he had created an entire ring of fire around Israel that was going to make it impossible for anyone to ever target the Iranian regime.
00:57:11.000He name-checked Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis terrorist groups in Iraq.
00:57:27.000And, you know, the outcome of what is happening right now, if the president should have earned the Nobel Prize for the Abraham Accords, I don't think there's any doubt that given his support right now and given the changing face of the Middle East and also what could come next after this, I think people are neglecting the fact that once.
00:57:49.000I mean, the Abraham Accords is just going to be the beginning.
00:58:16.000We had an Iran that was chastened and pulled in its horns.
00:58:19.000Those voices right now are making preposterous claims like somehow the BRICS countries, Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, are going to rush into Iran's aid and we're going to see World War III.
00:58:32.000Does anyone really take seriously the idea that Brazil and India?
00:58:36.000And South Africa is going to come to Iran's aid.
00:58:39.000And as you said earlier, Russia has already refused to.
00:58:41.000Ben, just like Russia refused to come to the aid of its longtime client, Bashar al-Assad, last fall in Syria.
00:58:49.000They told him he was on his own, and he was on his own on a flight to Russia just a few days later.
00:58:54.000So when push comes to shove, once again, the strong horse in the world, especially in the Middle East, is the United States and Israel.
00:59:11.000Meanwhile, the big story over the weekend was this horrifying shooting of a Minnesota state legislator as well as her husband by a man who then went on the run, his 57-year-old, who has a bit of a checkered social media history and apparently had some sort of mental break.
00:59:26.000According to the Wall Street Journal, a man suspected of shooting two state Democratic lawmakers was arrested late Sunday.
00:59:31.000After authorities tracked him into an area with crops and woodland in rural Minnesota, the capture of the 57-year-old ended a two-day manhunt that left the community on edge following the killings of State Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark Hortman, and the shootings of Senator John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette Hoffman.
00:59:46.000State prosecutors are charging the suspect with murder.
00:59:49.000The Democratic politicians were shot early Saturday morning in what Minnesota Governor Tim Walz called an act of targeted political violence.
00:59:55.000The shootings were the latest in a surge of violence against elected officials in the United States.
01:00:00.000That, of course, is horrifying and it is, of course, quite real.
01:00:03.000There has been a surge in political violence against high-profile figures.
01:00:08.000Now, of course, the media immediately jumped in to try and locate the sort of ideology of the shooter.
01:00:14.000And it turns out that this person had a sort of strange history, for sure.
01:00:20.000According to the Wall Street Journal, he had built a scattered career that included food companies, retailing and pastoring, according to public records and his online post.
01:00:27.000He'd been living with his wife in a rural area outside the Twin Cities, staying a few nights a week at a rental home in a working-class Minneapolis neighborhood with a couple of roommates.
01:00:36.000He's apparently working overnight shifts for an organization that handles eye donations.
01:00:40.000On Friday night, he parked his prowler-style vehicle from his security business at the house and went to his room.
01:00:46.000According to Carlson, who is David Carlson, one of his roommates, Carlson knocked on the door, but the suspect said he was tired, so Carlson left him alone, reasoning he was sometimes on call for the eye donation firm and might have to be up in the middle of the night.
01:00:57.000And then he woke up on Saturday to a troubling text.
01:01:00.000The alleged shooter said he was going to be gone for a while and maybe dead shortly, according to local media reports.
01:01:05.000He thought he was going to self-harm, but that's not actually what happened.
01:01:08.000Apparently, this person voted for President Trump and was against abortion considering a murder.
01:01:13.000Apparently, he sort of had quasi-right-wing mainstream political opinions.
01:01:18.000Although, according to the Wall Street Journal, trying to identify his political leanings is challenging based on available public records.
01:01:25.000Apparently, there's a list in the suspect's vehicle, including other prominent public officials.
01:01:30.000That included dozens of names of prominent Minnesotans who support abortion rights, including many Democratic lawmakers, as well as abortion providers, according to an official who had seen the document.
01:01:39.000Online Post paints a picture of the suspect as the devout Christian and pastor who preached at a church in the Congo, apparently.
01:01:45.000He quit most of his jobs before his last trip to Africa and was struggling to build back a solid income.
01:01:51.000That appears that he was getting more and more erratic over time.
01:01:57.000Meanwhile, Senator Amy Klobuchar had just met with one of the lawmakers before the lawmaker was shot, and here she was paying tribute to the slain lawmakers.
01:02:06.000I just wish everyone in the world, political world, knew this woman like we know her in Minnesota, loved by Democrats and Republicans.
01:02:15.000We started out together in politics, moms with young kids, and somehow she was able to balance getting to know every doorknock, every house in her district.
01:02:26.000While raising two children, Girl Scout leader, she taught Sunday school.
01:02:32.000And when you think about political violence and the statistics of political violence, you've got to realize the people who are behind it and a true public servant that we lost.
01:02:44.000President Trump, for his part, immediately condemned the assassin, of course.
01:02:59.000And now, one thing that is worth noting here is the difference between the reaction of people on the right to what appears to be a purported right-winger shooting a couple of Democratic lawmakers and the response on the left to various attacks on Republican lawmakers and people who are associated with capitalism.
01:03:17.000So, Luigi Mangione, the suspected murderer.
01:03:21.000of the UnitedHealthcare CEO has fan clubs, late night comics, praising him, talking about how wonderful he is, how he's really just the vanguard.
01:03:29.000When Senator Rand Paul was attacked by a crazed neighbor, there were people openly making jokes about that, both online and in the media.
01:03:35.000In this particular case, you cannot find a single person anywhere who is saying that this is good or decent or part of a broader, well-justified movement because it isn't.
01:03:48.000The idea that increased tenor of political rhetoric leads people to bubble over.
01:03:54.000I've said for a while that obviously there's truth to that, but one of the factors there is the reaction to horrifying events.
01:04:01.000The universal condemnation from the right of this shooter is demonstration that this is not the sort of activity that is well accepted on the right.
01:04:09.000You cannot say the same, I wish you could, honest to God, I wish you could say the same about the left when they are busily praising people like Luigi Mangione.
01:04:17.000Joining us on the line to discuss how exactly the suspect was caught is Brandon Blackburn, former CIA counterterrorism officer who spent his career conducting operations throughout the Middle East.
01:04:38.000How did law enforcement finally get this person?
01:04:42.000Well, it really came down to the old adage, see something, say something.
01:04:45.000So by all accounts, a citizen who was just going about her daily life in a rural area saw something unusual and a man crawling through basically a farm setting out in the countryside, and she made the right phone call and made the right decision to report it.
01:05:04.000But it's pretty phenomenal if you consider, Ben, in this day and age.
01:05:09.000That this high profile of an event led to a nearly 48-hour manhunt for somebody who, for the last two days, has become public enemy number one.
01:05:21.000So, you know, what do we actually know about the shooter at this point?
01:05:25.000Obviously, there's a lot of speculation about who he is, what his motivations were.
01:05:29.000You saw early reports that he was politically on the left, and you saw later reports that he was politically on the right.
01:05:47.000And anybody who is wired to take their political beliefs to the extreme, really under the guise of stochastic terrorism, we need to...
01:06:01.000And at the end of the day, we need to let the dust settle, let the investigation unfold to really see what his motives and intentions are.
01:06:11.000Like you said, in the last 48 hours, there have been a bevy of accusations about his political leanings.
01:06:18.000His moral beliefs and values that may have been the driver.
01:06:22.000But at the end of the day, this and others like him are mentally ill individuals.
01:06:28.000And if you peel back the bone and flesh and looked at their mapping of their anatomy and their brains and their wiring, they unfortunately have something inside them that allows them to think it's okay to enact violence against someone with whom they do not agree.
01:06:47.000And that really is the root cause of all of these types of cases that we're seeing, unfortunately.
01:06:54.000So, Brandon, one of the things that I think was so disturbing to people about this particular attack, aside from the obvious, was the fact that the suspected shooter in this particular case apparently posed as a police officer to gain access to the home of the victim where she and her husband were then murdered.
01:07:11.000What should this teach law enforcement in the future about how to handle situations like this?
01:07:15.000If you are handling security for politicians, and right now it's a very fraught time in American life, we're seeing increased amounts of violence against prominent people.
01:07:22.000How would you be handling these sorts of questions?
01:07:24.000Well, I think you have the law enforcement component, but it's also, unfortunately, the general public needs to be aware.
01:07:31.000And there needs to be a dialogue between the two sides, respectively, about how And we need someone to step in, whether it's a group, an industry, somebody with a public profile to really tamp down the rhetoric.
01:07:53.000Because if you look at the last few years, Ben, this tribalistic society in which we have found ourselves.
01:08:00.000It's just continuing to escalate and evolve into, again, what I call stochastic terrorism.
01:08:08.000We're seeing implicit incitement by public figures.
01:08:12.000And that needs to be addressed as much as our men and women in uniform who are just trying to do their best for their communities.
01:08:21.000Brandon, one of the things that I find really interesting about the fallout from this is in the aftermath of the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, there's a widespread public sentiment that it was justified, that it was fine.
01:08:31.000People came to the defense of the suspect in the case.
01:08:33.000He has a fan club, all of this sort of stuff.
01:08:35.000You didn't see anything remotely like that from the right in this particular case.
01:08:39.000The lawmaker who was killed was a Democrat.
01:08:41.000I can't name a single figure on the right, either in politics or even online, who is celebrating that.
01:08:47.000That does seem to be a bit of a difference.
01:08:54.000If the media gets a hold of any indication that this guy was in fact a Republican, conservative, a Trump supporter, we are going to know more about his life in the next 24 to 48 hours than we do, for instance, about Elias Rodriguez, who three weeks ago pretty much did a very similar type of assassination.
01:09:16.000And we know very little about him relative to what we already know about this shooter in Minnesota.
01:09:23.000So the media has an incredible responsibility in these cases to treat them all the same because we are getting to the point where either all of it's acceptable or none of it is.
01:09:34.000And that's a very scary place to find ourselves as a society.
01:09:41.000It's the implicit incitement by our public figures and the media that is really a root cause of much of what we're seeing.
01:09:50.000That's Brandon Blackburn, former undercover CIA counterterrorism officer.
01:09:54.000Really appreciate your time and your insight.