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00:01:23.000Well, folks, one question a lot of people on the right and in the center, and even on the left, are asking themselves these days is whether peak woke is over.
00:01:30.000After all, we suffered through legitimately a decade of wokeness.
00:01:35.000Wokeness being the proposition that any disparity between groups was evidence of discrimination.
00:01:42.000It manifested as the idea that the government had to constantly rig the system in the reverse direction.
00:01:47.000It was the Ibram XKendi ideology, the Robin DeAngelo ideology, that again, if any group was performing less well than another group, that had to be a result of a discriminatory system.
00:01:59.000And it feels as though on a racial level, we we passed peak woke.
00:02:03.000That simply saying now, systemic racism is not going to result in some sort of left-wing policy.
00:02:09.000And that if you go up against that, you're going to be able to retain your career.
00:02:15.000And there was peak woke with regard to transgender ideology.
00:02:18.000The idea being that if you were a man who identified as a woman, you're part of a discrete and insular minority, and that the problems you were having in your life were the faults of the systems around you, and therefore the systems had to be torn down in the name of justice.
00:02:32.000And anybody who argued with you had to be destroyed, had to be censored, had to be taken off the air, had to be punished.
00:02:39.000And it feels like we're past that as well.
00:02:45.000Well, the answer is they're going back to something kind of old.
00:02:47.000And what they are going back to is what could theoretically be titled economic wokeness.
00:02:52.000Economic wokeness mirrors exactly the same argument as racial wokeness or trans wokeness, except it applies to economic categories.
00:02:59.000And when I say this is sort of an old argument, it is because it's basically the argument that was made by Karl Marx.
00:03:04.000And it seems as though Democrats are more and more moving in that direction.
00:03:08.000I bring this up because Politico has a fascinating piece today by Elena Schneider titled Democratic Research Finds Voters Prefer Populism over abundance.
00:03:19.000Well, they're basically two wings of the Democratic Party right now that are sort of battling it out for ideological supremacy.
00:03:26.000One could be titled The Abundance Wing.
00:03:28.000The abundance wing is led by people like Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, who wrote the book Abundance.
00:03:33.000The basic idea is that Democrats should be better technocrats.
00:03:37.000They should stop attempting to destroy capitalism, and instead they should go for better regulations.
00:03:43.000That if you want more housing, what you might want to do is actually deregulate the housing market in certain areas.
00:03:48.000Now, of course, Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson are very strong Democrats, and they want more government involvement in a wide variety of areas.
00:03:55.000But their basic idea is that in order for them to achieve their goals, presumably of reducing income inequality or achieving greater fairness in society, that you actually do have to follow some sort of effective policies that make people richer, that make the society richer.
00:04:10.000Now it's kind of a an uphill battle in the Democratic Party, obviously, because a lot of the policies that the government involves itself in are actually quite bad policies.
00:04:19.000But that is one side of the Democratic Party.
00:04:22.000As Politico describes it, the abundance agenda is, again, basically this idea that overly bureaucratic regulations can actually make things worse.
00:04:33.000Democrats could move in that direction.
00:04:34.000They could move toward, you know, actually running cities well.
00:04:37.000Kind of a Michael Bloomberg approach to governing New York City.
00:04:40.000Michael Bloomberg was a quasi-democrat, kind of an independent Democrat.
00:04:44.000Or theoretically, they could move in a more radical direction, particularly on economics.
00:04:50.000It seems, according to a brand new memo obtained first by Politico, that Democrats are being cautioned about relying on abundance ideas.
00:04:59.000Instead, they need to push for an economic populism that basically is rooted in grievance.
00:05:06.000According to Politico, the memo reads, quote, well, there are elements of the abundance agenda that have appeal, and the choice on which messages to deliver is not zero sum.
00:05:14.000A populist economic approach better solved for Democrats' challenges with working class voters.
00:05:18.000If candidates are asking which focus deserves topmost billing in Democrats' campaign messaging, the answer is clear.
00:05:24.000Though some voters believe excessive bureaucracy can be a problem, it ranks far behind other concerns, and tackling it does not strike voters as a direct response to the problem of affordability.
00:05:33.000Now you may be saying to yourself, well, hold up.
00:05:36.000Isn't actual good policy a response to problems of affordability?
00:05:43.000This is about gaining political power, thus to wreck the system.
00:05:46.000This memo, penned by Kamala Harris campaign veterans Jeff Jerrin, a Democratic polster and strategist Brian Fallon, and the liberal economic group groundwork action instead says that what people really want to hear from their favorite politicians is that rich people suck and they should be destroyed.
00:06:06.000Progressives, led by Representative Greg Caesar of Texas, have pushed economic populism, arguing the party must rebuild its relationship with working class voters by vilifying billionaires and corporate power.
00:06:17.000That's more in line with what the memo argued will reach voters, as quote, majorities of Democrats and independents and two in five Republicans believe the outsized power of billionaires and corporations in our government is a bigger problem than red tape and bureaucracy.
00:06:29.000So again, the idea is going to be that we blame all economic problems on the system, on the capitalist system that generates millionaires and billionaires, as Bernie Sanders would say, or on corporations that commit the grave sin of being incredibly productive and thus and thus garnering a bigger market share.
00:06:47.000Now, the reason I'm calling this economic wokeness is because in order to see the parallel, all you have to do is basically replace one word.
00:06:56.000So again, the idea for racial wokeness is that disparities are in and of themselves signs of discrimination.
00:07:03.000Racial discrimination is in fact the norm.
00:07:05.000It is not aberrational, it's not bad apples, it's part of the entire system.
00:07:08.000And the system is designed purposefully by white people to discriminate against people of color.
00:07:46.000It's designed by rich people, not white people, rich people, to discriminate against the poor.
00:07:51.000Now, the beauty of economic wokeness is that unlike racial wokeness, which can be debunked every time you look at group studies, right?
00:08:00.000The easiest way to debunk the sort of racial wokeness idea that the systems are in and of themselves corrupt because they benefit white people at the expense of black people, or white people at the expense of people of color, is you can always point to a group that outperforms white people.
00:08:15.000Nigerian Americans are very, very highly educated and also black.
00:08:18.000Chinese Americans have extraordinarily high median household income.
00:08:24.000When it comes, however, to economic wokeness, there will always be some people who are poorer than other people.
00:08:30.000Now, people move in and out of these categories.
00:08:32.000This is why it is a mistake to talk about quote unquote the poor and the rich.
00:08:37.000There are many people who are poor now who will one day become rich.
00:08:40.000There are many people who are rich who will one day become middle class or poor.
00:08:44.000There's tremendous economic mobility in the United States.
00:08:46.000By the available studies, if you are born into the bottom quintile of income earners in the United States, there's a better than 60% shot that you will not end up there, that you will end up in a higher bracket in terms of income by the time you are an adult.
00:09:01.000With that said, this sort of economic populism is rooted in grievance.
00:09:06.000And it's a real problem because it does have a popular appeal.
00:09:10.000It is one thing to claim that America is racist or that America is transphobic or heteronormative.
00:09:16.000Most people look at that and they go, eh, eh, I don't know that many racists, I really don't know that many people who are like sitting around all day long thinking about transgenderism.
00:09:27.000Actually, if I say a man is not a woman, that's just because that's basic logic.
00:09:30.000And if I say that people, you know, ought to make better decisions in their lives.
00:09:35.000That literally has nothing to do with race.
00:09:37.000When it comes to the economy, however, when it comes to people's economic statuses, people have an amazing way of dissociating the rich people they personally know from quote unquote rich people in general.
00:09:50.000Most people in America know somebody who's wealthy.
00:09:52.000And I would bet that the vast majority of people who know people who are wealthy know good people who are wealthy and bad people who are wealthy.
00:09:58.000They probably also know a lot of poor people, some of whom are good and some of whom are bad.
00:10:02.000Because people come in all shapes and sizes and all sorts of moral qualities.
00:10:07.000However, when it comes to how people think of their own economic performance, the easiest pitch that you can make to somebody is if you are having a tough time economically speaking, I can fix it by ripping down this guy.
00:10:21.000This is why Bernie is having a moment.
00:10:22.000Now, the only thing that is preventing that is continued economic growth.
00:10:25.000If we get continued economic growth, then economic wokeness doesn't apply.
00:10:28.000If people feel pretty good about their direction in the economy, then economic wokeness won't help because people don't feel discriminated against.
00:10:36.000They don't feel like they're put under the thumb.
00:10:37.000If, however, as we are seeing in the polling data, people do feel that they are stuck, that they don't have economic mobility, and they have an entire legacy media infrastructure pushing this lie.
00:10:48.000And they have people on both the right and the left making this argument that you can't get ahead in America.
00:10:52.000No matter what you do, you can't get ahead in America, which is not true.
00:10:56.000If you have politicians telling you that to garner more power, people believe it.
00:11:01.000And if they believe it, they start tearing down the very systems that generated prosperity, like free markets, private property, capitalism in the first place.
00:11:08.000And so it's quite dangerous for Democrats to move in the direction of economic wokeness.
00:11:13.000And again, I'm not going to say that this is relegated to Democrats.
00:11:15.000I think there are some populist Republicans who would love to move in this direction, talking about how the basic structures of capitalism are deeply unfair.
00:11:25.000You see this sort of rhetoric arising again on the populist right.
00:11:29.000Now again, I understand the art of politics requires getting elected.
00:11:33.000And getting elected requires dissimulating, dissembling, saying things that are not true.
00:11:39.000And that many politicians are willing to say untrue things in order to garner that power.
00:11:46.000And these sort of populist notion that capitalism is quote unquote stacked against you in a country that is the richest country in literally all of human history, and in which people who are at the bottom of the economic ladder after income and wealth transfers, because we have massive wall of our programs in this country, are earning about 45 to 50,000 a year.
00:12:09.000Which is about the same, by the way, as the median household income in Germany or France.
00:12:13.000That's like the bottom of the pile for the United States after those wealth transfers.
00:12:18.000When you point that out, people get mad, but it happens to be the case.
00:12:23.000And so if Democrats embrace this next stage of economic wokeness, and I think that all of the pressure that's been built up, people feeling as though they are under the thumb, it's going to get poured in that direction.
00:12:32.000And that's why economic success is absolutely necessary.
00:12:35.000It's also why we need to make a robust defense of things like private property and free markets.
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00:15:08.000Private property is good because you ought to retain the fruits of your labor.
00:15:13.000Because you are an individual human being with creative capacity, and it is immoral for people to steal the things you create from you.
00:15:22.000Private property is an outgrowth of basic individual autonomy.
00:15:26.000Free markets are an outgrowth of private property.
00:15:29.000Because the idea is that if I own the fruits of my labors, I can then alienate them, meaning I can trade them or I can sell them, and that we can trade and both of our lives get better because I traded something I want for something that you want.
00:15:41.000That is the predicate of a free market economy.
00:15:44.000And that right does not begin with the government.
00:15:48.000Because after all, God made us in a particular way, the way that he made us was creative.
00:15:55.000When it says that man is made in God's image, sort of Judaic understanding of that is man has creative capacity, because the one thing you know about God from the very beginning of the Bible, like the very beginning, is that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
00:16:21.000Because if you tell people they don't get to keep what they earned, that they basically should be treated as disposable labor widgets and all of the fruits of their labors taken away and redistributed, people won't work.
00:16:33.000It's why communism always ends with coercion.
00:16:38.000So the free market is not rooted in some sort of peculiar institution created by rich people.
00:16:45.000It is rooted in basic human notions of autonomy and individual worth.
00:16:51.000And that's why it's kind of scary when you hear an exchange between a senator named Tim Kane, who you may recall was actually a vice presidential nominee with Hillary Clinton back in 2016, and Ted Cruz, the senator from Texas.
00:17:01.000So they got into an exchange the other day in the Senate, in which Tim Kane got very upset because there was a nominee for a position who had suggested that rights do not come from the government, they come from God.
00:17:13.000And this somehow set off Tim Kane, despite the fact that this is very clear in our founding documents.
00:17:19.000You state, and this is a quote from Secretary Rubio, our rights come from God, our creator, not from our laws, not from our governments.
00:17:33.000We've got other devout folks in this room, Christian, Jewish, Muslim American.
00:17:38.000The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't come from the government, but come from the creator.
00:17:45.000That's what the Iranian government believes.
00:17:47.000It's a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Shia law and targets Sunnis, Baha'is, Jews, Christians, and other religious minorities.
00:17:59.000And they do it Because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their creator.
00:18:05.000So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.
00:18:13.000Well, um that is just a gigantic softball over the middle of the plate for Senator Ted Cruz, who knows the words of the Declaration of Independence.
00:18:21.000I mean, all you have to do is read that document ones, as Senator Cruz points out.
00:18:26.000That radical and dangerous notion, in his words, is literally the founding principle upon which the United States of America was created.
00:18:37.000And if you do not believe me, and you made reference to this, Mr. Barnes, then you can believe perhaps the most prominent uh Virginian to ever serve Thomas Jefferson, who wrote in the Declaration of Independence, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their creator.
00:19:08.000Not by government, not by the Democratic National Committee, but by God with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:19:20.000Well, you know, Senator Cruz had that one teed up for him, but that is a fundamental reality.
00:19:25.000This is why capitalism free markets, these are good things.
00:19:29.000They're not just good in terms of being utilitarian, though they are.
00:19:32.000I talk about in lines and scavengers at length, why markets themselves are good, why they are morally good.
00:19:38.000They are not just good in terms of having good outcomes.
00:19:41.000And I I hear it constantly from people, you know, communism or social these are great ideas.
00:19:45.000They just have, you know, downside effects.
00:19:47.000They just don't work as well as they should, but they're kind of nice ideas.
00:19:50.000And my response is always they are really quite terrible ideas.
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00:20:07.000Quote, you own the product of your hands.
00:20:09.000As we have explored, one of the fundamental principles of the philosophy of lions is that man is made in the image of God, a creative choosing being with autonomy and power.
00:20:17.000We thus have a right to our own labor.
00:20:18.000The philosopher John Locke, one of the great influences on the American founding, explained this right to property.
00:20:23.000Quote, every man has a property in his own person.
00:20:26.000This nobody has any right to but himself.
00:20:29.000The labor of his body and the work of his hands, we may say, are properly his.
00:20:33.000Private property goes to the essence of what it means to be a human being.
00:20:36.000Without it, creative power is denied its source.
00:20:40.000As historian Richard Pipes notes, anthropologists have concluded that there never was a society so primitive as not to acknowledge some forms of ownership.
00:20:50.000By the age of two, children understand the difference between their property and the property of others.
00:20:55.000As researchers, Nicholas Knowles of Michigan State University and Susan Gellman of the University of Michigan right, preschoolers demonstrate an understanding of the nuanced contrast between ownership and possession.
00:21:06.000They defend possession of an object more aggressively if they own it, and strenuously object when their property rights as well as the property rights of others are violated.
00:21:14.000Give one of your kids an allowance for doing chores, then tell her to hand over half the allowance to her younger brother who's been sitting aside and casually watching television.
00:21:21.000You're likely to end up with a major and rather justifiable tantrum on your hands.
00:21:25.000Private property is just a reality of the world.
00:21:28.000Virtually all animals, human beings, most of all, innately understand and believe in ownership.
00:21:32.000Human beings then develop rules and rituals surrounding the ownership and dispensation of private property, regularizing and cultivating a set of neutral principles that enable us to live with one another.
00:21:42.000From private property springs the system of the free market.
00:21:45.000It's time for lions, for people who actually believe in the success of the United States to robustly defend the free market.
00:21:54.000This is not something to apologize for.
00:21:56.000No, you are not immoral if you're a billionaire.
00:21:58.000Any more than you're immoral if you are impoverished.
00:22:01.000No, there is no point, no dollar point where if you earn above this dollar amount, suddenly you're now a bad person.
00:22:10.000Nor is the rich person rich because he is stealing it from the poor person.
00:22:13.000We do not live in a subsist a subsistence society in which free market innovation and trade are uncommon.
00:22:20.000We live in the most commercial society in human history, which means Bill Gates did not steal a damn thing from anybody to become Uber rich.
00:22:52.000Now, again, you can argue about social safety nets, whether those should be provided at the at the social level versus the governmental level or locally, state or federally.
00:23:04.000But doing what the Democratic Party is about to do, and what some parts of the Republican Party are about to do, which is to say the free markets themselves are fundamentally flawed, and that you, you alone should control it.
00:23:22.000And it is going to lead to more actual interpersonal conflict.
00:23:25.000Because if you truly believe that people who are rich got there by screwing people who are poor, that justifies you in doing really bad things to people who are rich.
00:23:32.000And by the way, maybe one day you will be rich because it turns out, again, a huge number of people who are rich now were not rich growing up.
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00:26:13.000Alrighty, meanwhile, speaking of this sort of scavenger mentality, perhaps the apotheosis of the scavenger mentality is Zoran at Mamdanny.
00:26:22.000Mamdanny, of course, is lucky enough to have 8,000 candidates running against him, splitting all of the polling against him.
00:26:29.000He's still stuck in the mid-40 percentage range.
00:26:32.000But he does have Eric Adams running against him who's pulling 10 to 12%, Curtis Sleewa, who's pulling 15 to 17%, and Andrew Cuomo is pulling someone in the mid-20s.
00:26:40.000When you combine all of their support, Andrew Cuomo could theoretically pull it out if everybody else dropped out.
00:26:46.000There's a rumor that the White House was offering Adams an incentive to drop out and Curtis Leo an incentive to drop out.
00:26:51.000Both yesterday came out and said they are not dropping out, which is just great.
00:26:54.000I guess we're just going to Felm on Louise this New York mayor or race.
00:27:48.000Well, then Zar Mam Dani is going to be the next mayor in New York.
00:27:50.000I mean, it really is that simple at this point.
00:27:53.000Meanwhile, Mam Dani is challenging President Trump to a public debate saying, let's cut out the middleman.
00:27:59.000Did Eric came after ex-governor Andrew Cuomo called on the Queen Socialist to debate him five times during a press conference on Thursday.
00:28:06.000So great job by Mom Donny trying to duck Andrew Cuomo.
00:28:11.000So Andrew Cuomo is his chief competition here, and Cuomo says, Why don't we debate?
00:28:14.000And Mom Dani's like, well, I'd rather not debate you since I'm running against you.
00:28:18.000I'd rather debate President Trump, which of course only elevates him no matter how he does against Trump.
00:28:21.000He believes that will get out the New York base, which doesn't like Trump very much, out to the polls.
00:28:26.000So Mom Donny said, Let's cut out the middleman.
00:28:28.000Why should I debate Donald Trump's puppet when I could debate Donald Trump himself?
00:28:33.000So, first of all, I think that that would actually be quite amusing if President Trump were to take him up on that.
00:28:37.000Because Mom Donny is a complete useless person who has never built a thing in his entire life, and President Trump would make that extraordinarily clear.
00:28:45.000So there's a case to be made that Trump should actually just say yes.
00:29:02.000However, he's in a commanding position that is basically his just his way of avoiding a debate with the only possible competition in Andrew Cuomo.
00:29:18.000It is a city that is built on commerce.
00:29:21.000There's an author whose name is Stefan Zweig, who was very famous in Europe in the 20s and the 30s.
00:29:27.000And then he ended up killing himself during World War II out of despair at what had happened to Europe.
00:29:32.000But he wrote a memoir called The World of Yesterday.
00:29:36.000And in the world of yesterday, he he traveled to a bunch of countries.
00:29:39.000He sort of describes getting to know the countries.
00:29:41.000And one of the things that he writes, Stefan Zweig, that is really quite fascinating, is he writes about visiting America.
00:29:47.000And he says, Listen, when I went to Britain, what I found is that I could basically walk into a pub and I could get to know people just by sitting down in a pub and buying a drink for somebody.
00:29:57.000I went to France, I'd go to a coffee house, and I'd be able to sit down, just get to know people right away.
00:30:45.000The Russian Cascades of Light in Times Square were not yet present, nor the city's dream like heaven, which, with its billions of artificial stars, glitters at the real ones in the sky.
00:30:53.000The appearance of the city as well as the traffic lacked the daring grandeur of today.
00:30:56.000For the new architecture was only trying itself out uncertainly with an occasional skyscraper and the astonishing development of taste in show windows and decorations had only modestly set in.
00:31:06.000But to look down from the Brooklyn Bridge with its constant gentle swing at the harbor and wander about in the stone canyons of the avenues was discovery and excitement enough.
00:31:13.000But he said that he wasn't really able to connect with anybody.
00:31:56.000This last incidentally was the first opportunity for I'm for my imaginary self.
00:32:00.000And so I climbed up three flights of iron stairs, asked about the salary, compared it with the prices for a room in the Bronx, which I'd seen advertised in the newspaper.
00:32:07.000After two days of job hunting, I had theoretically found five jobs by which I could have made my living.
00:32:13.000He said, through this job hunting, I learned more about America in those very first few days than in all the succeeding weeks, when I traveled comfortably to Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, and Chicago.
00:32:24.000Because what he realized is that America predominantly was a place of bustling and commerce and job hunting, and Mom Tani is going to kill all that.
00:32:43.000Just as racial wokeness creates enervation in people, it teaches them no matter how hard you try, you're not going to get ahead because shadowy unseen racial forces are cracking down upon you.
00:32:52.000Economic wokeness makes the same argument.
00:32:54.000No matter how hard you try, you just can't get ahead.
00:33:01.000Okay, mobility has gone down in the country, people are not moving nearly as much as they were.
00:33:06.000If you talk to Generation Z folks, their their job picture, like what they believe that they ought to get out of job, let's just say it's very different for a lot of them than it was when I was 18, 19, 20 years old.
00:33:20.000And either that's gonna change, or economic wokeness will win, and the results will be the tearing down of the things that actually make the country prosperous.
00:33:28.000Okay, meanwhile, a massively shocking report from our own Daily Wire, Cassia Kiva doing the extraordinary reporting here.
00:33:36.000So you may remember that there was a person named Tony Aguilar.
00:33:39.000Tony Aguilar was a contractor for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, and he was fired.
00:33:45.000And then he started making all sorts of claims on all sorts of major shows.
00:33:49.000So he went on Tucker Carlson's show and he claimed the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and the IDF had been doing a terrible job.
00:35:19.000Now the Daily Wire had done reporting on this and found there were major inconsistencies in this story.
00:35:23.000Not only were the details he shared about their interaction inconsistent with third-party footage of it, the boy's stepmother said that she'd seen the boy alive for at least two months after Aguilar claimed he was dead.
00:35:33.000In a tape testimonial, Siham Al Jarabia said the boy did not go missing until July 28th.
00:35:39.000That's around the same time Aguilar began telling the story, but he said the boy was killed on May 28th.
00:35:44.000Okay, so the Gaza Humanitarian Fund commenced a search for the boy after Aguilar began telling his story, basically blaming the GHF or the IDF for the phantom death of the boy.
00:35:54.000And I say phantom advisedly, because as it turns out, after interviews with family members and weeks of detective work, the boy, Whose actual name is Abud was found living with his birth mother after he abruptly left his stepmother's home in July.
00:36:07.000The child's identity was confirmed through biometrics.
00:36:09.000He remained in possession of a shirt that he wore in Aguilar's original viral video.
00:36:14.000In fact, here is tape of Abood, alive and well, thank God.
00:36:16.000To the first door to the left, bottom left.
00:36:24.000Oh, I don't know if it's me and the life.
00:36:34.000Okay, so again, a pretty astonishing story, but very often the lie makes its way all the way around the world before the truth can get its pants on.
00:36:42.000Joining us on the line to discuss all of this a little bit earlier today, I spoke with Brent Scher, the editor in chief of The Daily Wire, who, of course, was involved in breaking the story.
00:36:51.000Brent, thanks so much for taking the time.
00:36:57.000How exactly did we go about tracking down this information about this kid who again was alleged to have been gunned down by the IDF, particularly by a person who was at one time working for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
00:37:09.000That was a claim that found an airing on Tucker Carlson, among other outlets.
00:37:13.000Yeah, I mean, the story goes back about a month now when Tony Aguilar, who is the former Gaza Humanitarian Fund contractor, told the story to a very leftist outlet of this story about meeting a boy named Amir, and he told all these really vivid details of his interaction with Amir.
00:37:32.000You know, Amir kissed his hand and said thank you in English, just to then walk off where he was then gunned down.
00:37:40.000And those are exact words by Tony Aguilar.
00:37:45.000Our reporter, Cassie Akiva, who um, of course, is on maternity to leave, but still ran down this story because she's an amazing reporter.
00:37:53.000Um, she noticed immediately and reported some big inconsistencies in the story, and that's when this whole thing started to unravel.
00:38:02.000It was the small details of what Tony Aguilar was saying that didn't really jive with facts on the ground or what was seen in other footage.
00:38:12.000Now, after Aguilar initially told his story, the Gaza Humanitarian Fund went out to find this boy because they, like Cassie, didn't believe the story that Tony was telling.
00:38:24.000And, you know, they went through all their networks in Gaza that they have built while um putting on aid for the last few months.
00:38:36.000He in fact had ran away from his home to live with his birth mother, where he's been for the last month.
00:38:44.000And I'll say a big thing here is the Gaza Humanitarian Fund was very concerned that this boy, who Tony Aguilar called Amir, but his real name is Abud.
00:38:54.000They were really concerned that this story that which went viral in the United States put Amir's life in major threat because his story became a propaganda tale for not only Hamas, but everybody else who wishes bad on Israel, because by saying that Israel committed this heinous crime, they got what is probably their biggest war or their most successful battle against Israel right now, which is in the PR world.
00:39:23.000So they thought that Hamas would go through great lengths to keep the fact that Amir was alive, hidden from the world.
00:39:33.000But thankfully, due to their work and Cassie's reporting, now the world knows this whole thing has been a lie.
00:39:40.000I mean, that it's an amazing story, and it just demonstrates again the willingness to hear this out.
00:39:45.000I mean, this is like a full episode of Tucker's show.
00:39:47.000He appeared, I believe, with Senator Chris Van Holland, Tony Aguilar to tell this story.
00:39:51.000It turns out that that was a completely false story.
00:39:54.000And again, the Daily Wire had reported last month that there was a review of body cam footage from an American security contractor who's literally standing next to Tony Aguilar that showed a different interaction than what Aguilar originally described.
00:40:05.000It showed the boy walking up to the man wearing the body cam and kissing his hand and then turning to Aguilar and asking for help convincing the crowd to let them take the food.
00:40:13.000And Aguilar touches the boy's shoulders and chest.
00:40:16.000And then Aguilar says, This little young man here, obviously pretty young, he has food.
00:40:30.000Yeah, so that's actually really interesting.
00:40:32.000Aguilar, about a month ago when we wrote this initial story, when we wrote this initial story on the inconsistencies, Aguilar got back to our reporter, and he said actually that he never actually confirmed that Amir was dead, but he saw a boy laying there and assume that he was dead.
00:40:51.000After we challenged the facts, um, in the past few weeks, his story has gotten only more vivid.
00:40:58.000He's told podcasts lately that he watched Amir get shot in the leg, shot in the torso, and saw him dead on the floor.
00:41:07.000Now, again, we now know that the boy is alive and well.
00:41:13.000So, I mean, we can't get inside Tony Aguilar's head and know whether he's actually mistaken or whether he just spun this whole thing up.
00:41:22.000But nothing that he's said before our initial report or since has been anywhere close to true or proven true.
00:41:31.000Now, again, one of the things that's amazing here is that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation moved to protect this kid.
00:41:37.000And that does raise the question as to why they would have to protect the kid, except that presumably Hamas would want to retcon this thing by actually killing the kid.
00:41:44.000Hamas would want to get a hold of the child, kill the child, and then essentially say to the rest of the world that the story must originally been true because the kid is dead.
00:41:52.000I mean, that that would be the logical reason to put this kid under protection.
00:41:55.000Theoretically, if Hamas were interested in protecting the civilian population, he would have been perfectly safe being alive and well in the Gaza Strip.
00:42:02.000Yeah, and I mean GHF is taking an immense amount of care to make sure that this boy actually survives, because you know, that's what their goal is to be a humanitarian force in Gaza, a place that hasn't seen successful aid in months, years, um, largely because it's mainly been through the United Nations.
00:42:23.000But the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has done so much to not only find this boy, but then make sure that they can keep him safe from Hamas.
00:42:31.000Because as you said, Hamas does not want the world to know what we reported this morning, that the entire story of the Israelis just indiscriminately shooting children at an aid site is bogus.
00:42:45.000There's it's there's no basis in fact.
00:42:48.000Now, so far, we've reported the story.
00:42:53.000You have not seen legacy media reporting on the story in any real way, which again demonstrates that the lie can make its way all the way around the world before the shoe gets it, the truth gets its shoes on in the morning.
00:43:04.000Are you surprised at all that the legacy media have not picked up on the story?
00:43:08.000Um, I'm not surprised that it hasn't happened immediately.
00:43:11.000I really hope that they do their reporting and get in touch with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, read our work and see that it is indisputably true that this boy, that MSNBC for one, did a whole report on their site, special report, video interviews, everything with Tony Aguilar on how this boy is dead.
00:43:48.000And you mentioned a sitting Democrat senator, Chris Van Holland, had uh had Tony Aguilar in taped uh taped a whole interview with him with a senator.
00:44:00.000Um, I mean, he needs to come out and say that, yeah, everything that I broadcasted to my voters and the people was wrong.
00:44:10.000Well, Brent Schur, editor in chief of the Daily Wire, credit to you, credit to our reporter, Cassio Akivo, who dug this up.
00:44:15.000It's a long process, and it's very well substantiated.
00:44:18.000Go check out the report at DailyWire.com right now.
00:44:23.000Well, meanwhile, speaking of stories that have made their way around the world over and over and over and over, you know, the story of supposed Israeli genocide that that is a lie.
00:44:31.000It has been a lie since the beginning.
00:44:34.000Israel has been extraordinarily meticulous, actually, in its pursuit of the war.
00:44:38.000But one of the things that has been retailed, another lie that's been retelled, is that the reason that Republicans and Americans overwhelmingly actually are pro-Israel is because of Israeli money or Jew money or APAC money.
00:44:49.000And this sort of lie has been wildly trafficked, particularly in in sort of the comedian bro world.
00:44:56.000A lot of comedians have been saying this sort of stuff.
00:44:59.000And, you know, it's very hard to sort of deal with these claims from comedians because on the one hand, they will make a claim that is certainly not a joke, like an actual serious claim.
00:45:07.000They they they are comedians, so they will then play a Mott and Bailey game where they make a claim that's factually untrue.
00:45:12.000They're called on the factually untrue claim, and then they put the clown nose on and they say, Oh, well, I'm just a comedian.
00:45:16.000You can't expect me to get it right, which is really a silly way to do things.
00:45:20.000If you want to make a joke about a thing, make a joke about a thing.
00:45:22.000If you want to make a serious claim, make a serious claim.
00:45:27.000So for example, Andrew Schultz, who's been very critical of us here at the Daily Wire, for a variety of reasons that I can't quite discern, actually, because they don't seem ideologically coherent.
00:45:37.000Uh, here he was fairly recently claiming that APAC is basically running our politics, which of course has become a very hot talking point on large parts of the left and I will say a horseshoe theory part of the right.
00:45:50.000But the real decisions, like if we're gonna send more aid to Ukraine, if we're gonna send more aid to Israel, those decisions are already made because we continue to make them.
00:45:59.000Despite Americans not wanting them, the same fing decision gets made, right?
00:47:21.000Okay, so again, the the theory here is that all of America's politics is from the shadows, being run by APAC or Israeli billionaire donors, not sure who he's talking about there, or Jewish philanthropists or whatever the case may be.
00:47:34.000That's really why Americans are pro-Israel, or why Trump is pro-Israel, or why Ted Cruz is pro-Israel or all the rest.
00:47:41.000The reason I point this out is because if you are going to claim that money passing hands makes you a shill for the thing from which you are receiving the money, then I'm wondering precisely why Andrew Schultz and Tim Dylan, among many, many, many others, are perfectly willing to go to Saudi Arabia for hundreds of thousands of dollars and perform for a regime that is responsible for a war in Yemen.
00:48:05.000By the way, Saudi losing the war with with Yemen was was actually quite a bad thing, or at least pulling out of areas that led the Houthis to be in charge.
00:48:13.000So I'm actually not even critiquing the Saudi war with Yemen.
00:48:17.000But if you're going to be a war is always terrible, and the and the people who perpetuate the wars, they're they're evil, the only reason you'd be pro that is because you're getting paid.
00:48:27.000Let's just talk about Saudi Arabia and you know, the people who are paying people like Andrew Schultz and Tim Dylan to arrive.
00:48:32.000So I asked our sponsors over at Comet, how many people were killed in Saudi Arabia's war with Yemen?
00:48:38.000Quote, Saudi Arabia's war with Yemen has resulted in an estimated 377,000 deaths as of 2021, with the majority caused by conflict-related famine, disease, and lack of health care.
00:48:50.000Roughly 150,000 deaths are directly attributed to military operations, including airstrikes and battles, many of which were led by the Saudi coalition.
00:48:59.000At least 15,000 civilians were killed by direct military action, especially air strikes.
00:49:04.000The answer is actually probably much, much, much larger, by the way.
00:49:08.000If the logic is that Israel is bad because war is bad, then Saudi would be worse because war is bad.
00:49:16.000But no, I mean, I assume that Andrew Schultz, who considers himself a social liberal, and so does Tim Dylan, that they understand that same-sex activity is still criminal in Saudi Arabia and can be penalized by everything up to and including the death penalty, depending on the circumstances,
00:49:33.000that in rare circumstances, apputation for theft is still a penalty on the books, although lashes has become more common over there, that migrant workers are still routinely forced into a form of trafficking very much akin to slave labor, that actually it took until 1962 to abolish chattel slavery in Saudi Arabia, that there is no such thing as free speech in Saudi Arabia.
00:49:53.000If you're wondering about free speech, like Saudi Arabia ain't famous for it.
00:49:57.000But apparently you're allowed to take hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Saudi monarchy in order to what?
00:50:12.000I don't actually think that Saudi is buying and paying for Andrew Schulter Tim Dillon.
00:50:17.000I don't think they're going to change their views on Saudi Arabia because Saudi is paying the money to go perform a comedy show.
00:50:23.000But if the claim that you make is that all of our politics is run by secret money, by nefarious forces, then you should be kind of careful about the people stuffing money in your pockets, shouldn't you?
00:52:31.000Obviously a lot of controversy coming out of a department that usually is less about vaccine standardization and significantly more about how to run, for example, the Medicare and Medicaid systems, which are actually gigantic, gigantic hundreds of billions of dollars programs.
00:52:52.000Bill Cassidy, the senator from Louisiana, who voted in favor of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s confirmation.
00:52:58.000He asked him about Operation Warp Speed and vaccination, because RFK Jr. has basically been making the claim that he doesn't know whether the vaccine was helpful in any way.
00:53:08.000Now, here's what the available data says.
00:53:10.000What the available data says that the vaccine was wildly oversold at the beginning, which is certainly true.
00:53:14.000That is certainly true that it was wildly oversold.
00:53:16.000There were claims made about the vaccine preventing transmission.
00:53:20.000Those were overtly false claims that were made by public officials in positions of responsibility without any actual research even being done on that question by, for example, Pfizer.
00:53:31.000We talked about it on the show when that came out.
00:53:34.000And then there were claims that kids needed to get it, which was never true, or that young people needed to get it, which also was not really true.
00:53:41.000And so the new standard has been if you're old or obese, then maybe we'll recommend the COVID vaccine for you.
00:53:47.000But RFK Jr. in some of his rhetoric seems to have gone further, suggesting that the vaccine is responsible for, for example, millions of deaths, that it killed more people than it saved.
00:53:56.000And the evidence for that proposition is very scanty.
00:53:58.000Well, Senator Bill Cassidy sort of trapped RFK Jr. yesterday on this matter.
00:56:04.000There should be serious questions asked of those public health officials.
00:56:07.000The Vice President of the United States fired back on all this, defending RFK Jr. by pointing out the fact that the left totally robbed America of its understanding of of science and belief in science.
00:56:19.000He defended RFK Jr. by tweeting out when I see all these senators trying to lecture and gotcha Bobby Kennedy today, all I can think is you all support off-label, untested irreversible hormonal therapies for children, mutilating our kids and enriching big pharma.
00:56:32.000You're full of bleep and everyone knows it.
00:56:34.000And there's absolutely truth to what J.D. Vance is saying there, the Vice President.
00:56:41.000However, when it comes to the standards we use in science, those should be defended.
00:56:48.000We shouldn't be, especially in a data-driven area, just asking questions.
00:56:52.000We should be actually seeking real answers with great specificity so we can get to the answers as to whether, for example, the vaccine schedule should be changed.
00:57:00.000Forget about removing certain vaccines.
00:57:04.000Should we tranch it out differently like they do in Europe?
00:57:06.000Like these are all, I think, absolutely open questions and interesting questions.
00:57:10.000So I asked our sponsors over at Comet, Project of Perplexity, how does the European vaccination schedule differ from the American schedule for early childhood?
00:57:18.000And what comments says the European early childhood vaccination schedule is generally more flexible, very significantly between countries, and often includes fewer mandatory vaccines than the American schedule, which is more standardized, covers more diseases, and typically follows a set timetable nationwide.
00:57:33.000In the United States, most vaccines are administered at 24-6 and 12 to 18 months.
00:57:37.000Some vaccines like HEP B start at birth, others, MMR, Varicella, hepatitis A begin at 12 months.
00:57:43.000In Europe, some countries adopt slower schedules, spacing vaccines further apart or starting later to allow for immune system development.
00:57:49.000So these are all open questions and definitely worthy of investigation.
00:57:52.000But I think if the purpose of the question is not to elicit an answer, but it's just to cede suspicion, that is in and of itself a bit of a problem.