The Ben Shapiro Show - It’s Indictment Day! | Ep. 406

00:00:00.000 So, here we are and it's Monday.

00:00:01.000 Lots of things are happening.

00:00:03.000 George Papadopoulos Theodoropoulos Snuffleupagus has apparently cut a plea deal with the special counsel.

00:00:09.000 We'll talk all about it.

00:00:09.000 Plus, Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman, is probably going to go to jail.

00:00:14.000 And Kevin Spacey gives the worst defense for allegedly attempting to rape a child anyone has ever given.

00:00:18.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:19.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:25.000 So much news, so little time.

00:00:26.000 So today, it's a fun day because I get to put on my lawyer hat.

00:00:29.000 And when I put on my lawyer hat, it means that I go through the full Paul Manafort indictment.

00:00:32.000 Plus, I go through the special plea deal that was cut by George Theodorokopoulos.

00:00:38.000 We're gonna talk all about that.

00:00:39.000 Plus, of course, we'll get to Kevin Spacey and the media being awful at everything.

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00:02:05.000 Okay, so I don't know where to start because there is so much news.

00:02:07.000 So we will start from Paul Manafort.

00:02:09.000 We'll start with Paul Manafort because this was the expectation last week.

00:02:12.000 So as you recall, on Friday, it was announced that the special counsel was going to drop indictments on Monday.

00:02:18.000 I always love when they leave cliffhangers at the end of a season.

00:02:20.000 It's really exciting that way.

00:02:21.000 So they left a cliffhanger on Friday.

00:02:23.000 Who would be indicted?

00:02:23.000 And everybody sort of assumed it'll be Manafort, right?

00:02:26.000 It's got to be Manafort, because Manafort has been known to be dirty for years and years and years.

00:02:29.000 He was very, very tied in with the Republican establishment.

00:02:32.000 He really was.

00:02:32.000 He was close to the Bushes.

00:02:33.000 He was close to the Republican National Committee.

00:02:35.000 He was very close to a lot of people in Republican halls of power.

00:02:38.000 I know because I had heard of him sort of in those circles.

00:02:42.000 But Manafort had also been widely known since really 2012 to sort of be a dirty character who was in with the Ukrainian government, who's basically doing lobbying work allegedly on behalf of the Ukrainian government, which is a Russian front puppet state basically run by a guy named Viktor Yanukovych.

00:02:58.000 So the allegations in the indictment, the left was hoping that the indictment would say Paul Manafort traded money, the Russians paid him in order so that he would

00:03:08.000 set up collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

00:03:10.000 This is what the Democrats and the media wanted.

00:03:12.000 They wanted Paul Manafort to be the go-between for the supposed Russian collusion that would show that Hillary Clinton actually won the election except for those scheming evil Russians.

00:03:21.000 Okay, that's not what the indictment says.

00:03:22.000 So the indictment is 12 counts and basically the entire thing is about how Paul Manafort is a corrupt creep who was taking money from this Ukrainian party that was basically a front group for Russia and then laundering it.

00:03:34.000 That's pretty much the entire thing.

00:03:35.000 There's nothing- Trump is not mentioned once in the indictment.

00:03:38.000 The Trump campaign is not mentioned one time in the indictment.

00:03:40.000 Virtually all of the bad acts happened in 2014 and before.

00:03:44.000 In 2014 is when Yanukovych left office.

00:03:46.000 So that cut off sort of the money train for Manafort.

00:03:49.000 And then apparently he was still fibbing about it and doing some money laundering afterward.

00:03:52.000 But most of the bad activity with regard to Russia, at least as the indictment says, stopped in 2014.

00:03:57.000 So that's the good news for Trump.

00:03:59.000 Nothing in the indictment suggests collusion between Trump and the Russian government.

00:04:02.000 And that's exactly what the left wanted it to say.

00:04:04.000 Here's the bad news for Trump. 0.99

00:04:05.000 Manafort was a crappy pick. 0.93

00:04:07.000 Everyone knew it at the time. 0.89

00:04:08.000 When Manafort was picked, people were immediately saying, this guy is probably going to end up in jail.

00:04:12.000 Bad move by President Trump.

00:04:13.000 But it shows you the level of chaos that sort of predominated in the Trump campaign.

00:04:17.000 In all likelihood, somebody just went to Trump and said, listen, none of the big campaign managers will work for you.

00:04:22.000 Here's this guy who's super connected.

00:04:23.000 You know, he has good business connections.

00:04:25.000 Paul Manafort, hire him.

00:04:26.000 And so Trump went ahead and hired him.

00:04:28.000 It's probably that simple.

00:04:29.000 And that sort of chaos inside the Trump administration also, in my opinion, could easily explain the George Papadopoulos

00:04:36.000 Routine that we're going to talk about in just a little while.

00:04:38.000 So to finish up with Manafort, basically the indictment alleges that Manafort and Richard Gates III, his right hand, worked as quote unregistered agents of the government of Ukraine, generated tens of millions of dollars in income as a result of the Ukraine work.

00:04:51.000 They then laundered the money through scores of US and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts.

00:04:56.000 Manafort and Gates allegedly did not register as foreign agents, which they apparently were, and then Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States without paying taxes on income.

00:05:06.000 So basically they're getting him for all the financial impropriety.

00:05:09.000 Between in or around 2008 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive according to the indictment,

00:05:15.000 Manafort and Gates devised and intended to devise and executed and attempted to execute a scheme and artifice to defraud to obtain money and property by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises from the United States Bank and other financial institutions.

00:05:28.000 Allegedly Manafort wired millions through other companies for purposes of laundering.

00:05:32.000 So if you saw Ozark, basically he was Jason Bateman in Ozark, right?

00:05:35.000 I mean, essentially he was just cleaning money, except he was cleaning it for himself.

00:05:39.000 Apparently he cleaned about 18 million dollars and 75 million bucks passed through his bank accounts.

00:05:44.000 Now, a lot of the press is focused on this charge of conspiracy against the United States, right, and the indictment.

00:05:50.000 Conspiracy against the United States is not what it sounds like.

00:05:52.000 It's not a treason charge.

00:05:54.000 It's not that he was treasonably committing offenses against the United States to bring down the government or to skew the election or anything like that.

00:06:00.000 All conspiracy against the United States means is there was a conspiracy to break the laws of the United States.

00:06:05.000 It's a financial charge based on defrauding the U.S.

00:06:08.000 and covering it up through alleged obstruction of justice.

00:06:11.000 So, the Manafort thing is a big nothing as far as Trump is concerned.

00:06:15.000 Unless, of course, the idea here is to flip Manafort against Trump, right?

00:06:18.000 And that may be the next step here.

00:06:20.000 One of the assumptions here is that Manafort was going to be tried in a state court so that Trump couldn't pardon him.

00:06:25.000 The idea being that then you could try and leverage him to testify against President Trump.

00:06:30.000 So, before all of this comes down over the weekend, President Trump starts tweeting out.

00:06:34.000 And again,

00:06:35.000 It just shows you that Trump would be better off being quiet and just letting this stuff play out, because if he's really innocent, then that will be revealed in time.

00:06:42.000 And in fact, it is largely being revealed that nothing much is happening here.

00:06:46.000 We'll get to, as I say, this other plea deal in just a second.

00:06:49.000 But Trump decides that it was absolutely necessary to go on Twitter.

00:06:52.000 And so he tweets out, never seen such Republican anger and unity as I have concerning the lack of investigation on Clinton-made fake dossier.

00:07:00.000 Now $12 million?

00:07:01.000 Dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot.

00:07:04.000 The uranium-to-Russian deal, the 33,000-plus deleted emails, the Comey fix, and so much more.

00:07:09.000 Instead, they look at phony Trump-Russia.

00:07:11.000 Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

00:07:12.000 Collusion, which doesn't exist.

00:07:14.000 The Dems are using this terrible and bad-for-our-country witch hunt for evil politics, but the Rs, meaning Republicans, are now fighting back like never before.

00:07:23.000 There is so much guilt by Democrats-Clinton, and now the facts are pouring out.

00:07:27.000 Do something!

00:07:29.000 Like, that's really how he ends his tweet.

00:07:30.000 Like, all caps, DO SOMETHING.

00:07:31.000 So, I could not help but immediately flash to Spaceballs.

00:07:34.000 They're getting all their air back!

00:07:36.000 DO SOMETHING!

00:07:37.000 DO SOMETHING!

00:07:38.000 DO SOMETHING!

00:07:41.000 I'm not sure what exactly DO SOMETHING is supposed to mean or why Trump is saying it.

00:07:47.000 He's the President of the United States.

00:07:48.000 If he wants to tell his DOJ to set up an investigation into Hillary Clinton and her supposed collusion with the Russians, he can full well do it.

00:07:56.000 I mean, he has the power to do that.

00:07:57.000 The DOJ works for him.

00:07:58.000 And obviously, the DOJ works hand-in-glove with Obama, so that would not be outside his purview.

00:08:02.000 Trump isn't doing that, and so this sort of, like, broad stroke, do something, I just don't know what that means, do something, in all capital letters, not useful, and makes Trump look more panicked than he ought to be, given the fact that there really is no evidence of collusion, at least from the Manafort indictment.

00:08:17.000 Susan Collins, who's no ally to Trump, right, Republican from Maine, she says she's seen no evidence of collusion.

00:08:22.000 I have not yet seen any definitive evidence of collusion.

00:08:27.000 I've seen lots of evidence that the Russians were very active in trying to influence the election. 0.66

00:08:34.000 Okay, so again, this is not really, you know, the idea that Trump should be panicked at this point seems to me a little bit ridiculous.

00:08:41.000 Okay, so that was the piece of news number one.

00:08:43.000 Piece of news number two is this guy that I have been referring to.

00:08:47.000 His name, of course, is George Papadopoulos.

00:08:50.000 George Papadopoulos.

00:08:53.000 Okay, in any case, I have too much fun with his name.

00:09:00.000 George Papadopoulos was a low-level Trump foreign policy advisor, and he cut a plea deal.

00:09:05.000 This was released at the same time as the news about Paul Manafort.

00:09:08.000 It was released by the Mueller team.

00:09:10.000 So this one is a little more troubling for President Trump.

00:09:13.000 The reason that it is more troubling for President Trump is not because it proves collusion between Trump and Russia, but because it tends toward the idea that Trump and Team Trump were willing to collude with Russia in order to do something.

00:09:23.000 Okay, we already knew that.

00:09:24.000 Donald Trump Jr., months ago now, released emails showing that he was warm toward the idea of receiving information about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government as, quote, part of their effort to aid Trump in the election.

00:09:35.000 Right, so this is nothing new, but the media are going to run with it anyway.

00:09:38.000 The media are over-reading the Papadopoulos plea agreement.

00:09:41.000 Now, number one, it's important to note, this is a plea agreement with the FBI.

00:09:45.000 The reason that the plea agreement with the FBI matters is presumably this guy is ready to testify and maybe he's going to flip on other members of the campaign.

00:09:52.000 So this one should be more troubling to Trump because it's more likely to bleed over into actual elements of the campaign.

00:09:57.000 So I want to go through this entire statement of offense, what they call statement of the offense, which is basically what Papadopoulos is admitting to in order to avoid going to jail for a long period of time.

00:10:09.000 So here is what is alleged in this statement of the offense.

00:10:15.000 Okay, so the defendant, George Papadopoulos, who served as a foreign policy advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, made material false statements and material omissions during an interview with the FBI that took place on January 27, 2017.

00:10:27.000 At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

00:10:35.000 They accused Papadopoulos

00:10:37.000 of making material false statements and material omissions to the FBI.

00:10:40.000 Basically, what they accuse is that, so here's what it says.

00:10:43.000 It says, Defendant Papadopoulos claimed that his interactions with an overseas professor, who Defendant Papadopoulos understood to have substantial connections to Russian government officials, occurred before Defendant Papadopoulos became a foreign policy advisor to campaign.

00:10:55.000 That is not true.

00:10:56.000 He acknowledged that the professor had told him about the Russians possessing dirt on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of thousands of emails, but said many times he learned the information prior to joining the campaign.

00:11:05.000 This is not true either.

00:11:06.000 He'd been told that he was going to join the campaign, and in fact had joined the campaign.

00:11:10.000 So, then they present a timeline of events, and I'm going to go through this timeline in just a second.

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00:12:53.000 Okay, so, let's go through the timeline of Papadopoulos.

00:12:56.000 And the reason we're going to go through this timeline is what we're going to show here is that something we already knew.

00:13:00.000 Basically, we knew that there was willingness from Team Trump to reach out to Russia for dirt on Hillary Clinton.

00:13:06.000 Now, on the other side, which we'll get to in a second, Hillary Clinton's team, apparently, the people who are working with Fusion GPS, were perfectly fine getting information from the Russians about Trump.

00:13:14.000 So, there's a bit of a mirror image going on here.

00:13:17.000 Here's the timeline of events.

00:13:18.000 So, Papadopoulos learns in early March 2016, when it's becoming clear that Trump is probably going to win the nomination, that he would be a foreign policy advisor for the campaign.

00:13:26.000 He was living in London at the time.

00:13:27.000 He then traveled over to Italy, and there he met a professor based in London.

00:13:31.000 I do love how all of these things are written up so that you don't actually know who these people are.

00:13:35.000 I do like that they call him the professor.

00:13:37.000 It sounds like a Sherlock Holmes story.

00:13:39.000 It's like Moriarty.

00:13:40.000 He meets a professor based in London.

00:13:42.000 Professor Moriarty seemed uninterested in the defendant, Papadopoulos, until he found out that Papadopoulos worked for the campaign, at which point suddenly he was very interested in Papadopoulos, and Papadopoulos was interested in the professor because the professor claimed to have substantial connections with Russian government officials, and Papadopoulos thought that this could increase his importance as a policy advisor to the campaign.

00:14:03.000 So, here is one of the defenses that Trump can use on the Papadopoulos stuff from the very beginning.

00:14:08.000 It's pretty clear that a lot of people in the Trump campaign knew that Trump wanted to be warm toward the Russians.

00:14:13.000 To be fair, Trump was very clear about this.

00:14:15.000 Trump went on the campaign trail and talked about how he liked Vladimir Putin, and Putin was a good guy, and we've killed people too, and we should have a better relationship with the Russians, would that be the end of the world? 0.77

00:14:24.000 It wasn't like Trump was hiding the ball here.

00:14:26.000 He was saying all this stuff publicly.

00:14:27.000 And so just as when President Obama said, wouldn't it be great if someone cracked down on these conservative 501c3s, and then his IRS went and cracked down on the conservative 501c3s, it is quite possible to believe that Trump was going out there saying, we should have a warm relationship with the Russians, and also Hillary Clinton is the devil, and a bunch of his lower-down people thought, hey, we can kill two birds with one stone.

00:14:46.000 If we work with the Russian government, maybe they'll provide us information on Hillary, and we'll be close with the Russians.

00:14:51.000 That'll be awesome.

00:14:52.000 That's just what the boss wants.

00:14:53.000 But it's quite possible that Trump never instructed anybody to do any of this, so even if

00:14:57.000 It turns out that low-level members of the Trump campaign or high-level members of the Trump campaign were trying to collude.

00:15:03.000 It's possible that doesn't go all the way to the top.

00:15:05.000 In fact, as I've been now claiming for a year and a half, I think that's very unlikely that Trump knew about any sort of collusion, especially because if you were going to collude with Russia in an illegal fashion, would you tell the man with the biggest mouth on planet Earth?

00:15:17.000 Would that be your first choice?

00:15:18.000 Doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:15:19.000 Okay, in any case,

00:15:21.000 Around March 21st, the campaign told the Washington Post that Papadopoulos was one of five named foreign policy advisors for the campaign.

00:15:28.000 He then met with the professor in London.

00:15:30.000 The professor brought with him a female Russian national. 0.88

00:15:33.000 The female Russian national, as she is known in this document, introduced defendant Papadopoulos as a relative of Vladimir Putin with connections to senior Russian government officials.

00:15:41.000 So, ooh-hoo-hoo, they're meeting with the Russians.

00:15:43.000 Okay, here's the thing.

00:15:45.000 A lot of people in a lot of campaigns meet with foreign policy

00:15:49.000 We're good to go.

00:16:04.000 Papadopoulos emailed the campaign supervisor.

00:16:06.000 We don't know who this is.

00:16:06.000 This is why Papadopoulos is important, because after he flips, it's quite possible we're going to find out who campaign supervisor is, right?

00:16:12.000 Who was supervising him at the campaign, and that may take us further up the Trump chain.

00:16:16.000 And several members of the campaign's foreign policy team had said he'd met with his good friend, the professor, who had introduced him to the female Russian national, who is described as Putin's niece by Papadopoulos.

00:16:27.000 As well as the Russian ambassador in London.

00:16:28.000 Papadopoulos said the topic of their discussion was to arrange a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss U.S.-Russia ties under President Trump.

00:16:35.000 So again, this is not necessarily illegal.

00:16:38.000 As everyone has acknowledged, campaigns meet with foreign policy advisors from other regimes all the time.

00:16:44.000 Because you do want to start figuring out what the relationship's going to be like if, in fact, your person is elected.

00:16:51.000 Later, apparently, Papadopoulos learned the female Russian national was not a relative of President Putin, and he never actually met the Russian ambassador in London.

00:16:59.000 He attended a national security meeting in Washington, D.C.

00:17:02.000 with Trump and other foreign policy advisors for the campaign.

00:17:05.000 When he introduced himself to the group, he said that he had connections that he could help arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin.

00:17:10.000 Okay, again, none of this is illegal.

00:17:13.000 After that trip, Papadopoulos worked with the professor and female Russian national to arrange a meeting between the campaign and the Russian government.

00:17:19.000 Again, none of this is illegal.

00:17:20.000 I keep saying that because people are trying to suggest that every meeting attempted to be brokered between Trump and the Russian government must have been about Hillary Clinton.

00:17:28.000 This is untrue.

00:17:29.000 There is not evidence of this.

00:17:31.000 Even if Papadopoulos was told by the Russians that they wanted to funnel information to the campaign, it is not clear from this document that the Trump campaign took him up on that or even really suggested a desire to take him up on that.

00:17:43.000 In April 2016, Papadopoulos sent multiple emails to other members of the campaign's foreign policy team regarding his contacts with the Russians and his outreach to Russia, so we'll find out who those people are, I am sure.

00:17:53.000 And then, the key provision here happens on April 24th.

00:17:59.000 It's April 26th, rather.

00:18:01.000 Okay, here it is.

00:18:02.000 On or about April 26th, Papadopoulos met the professor for breakfast at a London hotel.

00:18:08.000 Up till now, they'd only been talking about Trump meeting with the Russians or Trump people meeting with the Russians, but nothing about actually passing dirt on Hillary Clinton.

00:18:15.000 Here is the key moment.

00:18:16.000 On or about April 26th, 2016, defendant Papadopoulos met the professor for breakfast at a London hotel.

00:18:22.000 During this meeting, the professor told defendant Papadopoulos he had just returned from a trip to Moscow.

00:18:26.000 So, it is unclear, number one, so people are saying, well this happened in late April, March is when WikiLeaks or whomever

00:18:51.000 Attacked the DNC and got all the emails out of the DNC.

00:18:55.000 It is not clear that the emails they were describing here are those emails.

00:18:58.000 It's quite possible they're talking about the 33,000 emails that Hillary had deleted and maybe the Russian government had hacked into her server when she had a private server in her bathroom.

00:19:07.000 All of that being the case, now we know the Russian government is trying to funnel information to the Trump campaign.

00:19:12.000 So what happens after that?

00:19:14.000 Following the conversation, Papadopoulos continued to correspond with campaign officials, continued to communicate with the professor and the Russian MFA connection in an effort to arrange a meeting between the campaign and the Russian government.

00:19:25.000 Again, it is not clear, it is not clear that these meetings necessarily had to do with passing Hillary information.

00:19:32.000 And this is an important question.

00:19:33.000 If the meetings were just about Trump meeting with Russian people, big deal.

00:19:36.000 If the meetings were about Trump meeting with Russian people to coordinate election efforts, that is a big deal.

00:19:42.000 But again, that evidence is still lacking at this point and we'll have to wait for more evidence to come out.

00:19:48.000 I don't think so.

00:20:11.000 Okay, so there's two ways to read that.

00:20:16.000 One is Trump wants to coordinate with the Russians and he wants to send someone low-level to do it so it doesn't reach Trump.

00:20:21.000 The other way to read that is that they're just trying to brush Papadopoulos off, right?

00:20:25.000 They're saying to Papadopoulos, you have no power, get out of here, we don't care about you.

00:20:28.000 And someone low-level in the campaign should tell him that Trump is not doing these trips so as not to send any signal that Trump himself doesn't want to do the trips to the Russians, but just, you know, basically brush Papadopoulos off.

00:20:41.000 In any case, what comes out from all of this?

00:20:43.000 What is the final statement?

00:20:44.000 The final point from all of the Papadopoulos stuff is that basically the situation shows that the Trump campaign, as we already knew, was willing to work with the Russians, or at least members of the Trump campaign were willing to work with the Russians to take down Hillary Clinton.

00:20:59.000 Did they actually do it?

00:21:00.000 Unclear.

00:21:01.000 But we already knew that from the Donald Trump Jr.

00:21:03.000 letters.

00:21:03.000 We already knew that from the Donald Trump Jr.

00:21:05.000 emails.

00:21:05.000 So nothing new under the sun.

00:21:07.000 The media are blowing this out of proportion.

00:21:09.000 We're gonna have to wait to see where this goes from here.

00:21:12.000 But there's no question that the Papadopoulos stuff is much more damaging to the Trump campaign than it is to the, than is the Manafort stuff.

00:21:19.000 Then it is to the Manafort stuff.

00:21:20.000 So I want to talk about the latest on the Clinton dossier and what that means because now we have basically two parallel stories.

00:21:27.000 We have the Trump attempting to collude with the Russian story, which may or may not be real.

00:21:31.000 And then we have the Hillary attempting to collude with the Russian story, which may or may not be real.

00:21:34.000 A lot of this seems like smoke.

00:21:36.000 A lot of it seems like not fire.

00:21:37.000 But I'm going to explain all that in just a second.

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00:22:26.000 I don't know.

00:22:48.000 Well, all of this is happening.

00:22:50.000 The Clinton dossier stuff continues to blow up.

00:22:52.000 So, one of the sort of accusations here is that if things get too bad for Trump on the Trump-Russia stuff, that eventually he's just gonna order his DOJ to look into, investigate Hillary Clinton and the Trump-Oppo research project.

00:23:05.000 So here's what we know, again, about, to recap, about the Trump-Oppo research project from the Clinton...

00:23:09.000 I don't

00:23:30.000 The Apple Research thing ends up being the Steele dossier.

00:23:32.000 Christopher Steele, former MI6 spy

00:23:53.000 He goes over to Russia, he talks to a bunch of Russian officials, and he comes back with a dossier.

00:23:57.000 Some of the things in the dossier have been debunked, some of the things in the dossier have not been debunked.

00:24:01.000 For people who say that it's been debunked, that is not true.

00:24:03.000 Some things have been debunked, some things have not been debunked.

00:24:06.000 The big question here is, did Hillary Clinton and her team know that the Steele dossier was filled with Russian intel?

00:24:12.000 Did they know that the Steele dossier was filled with references to direct government officials in Russia?

00:24:19.000 Now, there are people on the left who say, well, there's a difference between Hillary digging up dirt on Trump's dealings with Russia and Trump digging up dirt from Russia about Hillary's dealings not with Russia.

00:24:29.000 I think there may be something to that, but I don't think that it fixes the generalized problem, which is if Hillary Clinton is complaining about Russian interference in the election and about Trump coordination with the Russians,

00:24:39.000 Then, going to the Russians for help against Trump both undercuts that narrative and demonstrates that your own team was willing to work with the Russian government if they could dig something up about then-candidate Trump.

00:24:49.000 So, Jeanine Pirro is leading the charge.

00:24:51.000 A lot of Republicans are already in sort of defensive mode, despite the fact that the Mueller investigation hasn't come up with anything really serious yet.

00:24:58.000 They're already in defensive mode and they're suggesting that Trump go on offense against Hillary Clinton.

00:25:02.000 Again,

00:25:03.000 I think Hillary Clinton should be fully investigated.

00:25:04.000 I think all of this should have a full investigation.

00:25:07.000 But to suggest that, you know, the main line of attack right now should be about Hillary Clinton, and when nothing really bad is happening from the Mueller investigation, seems to me like revving up the engine while you're still in neutral.

00:25:18.000 So here's Jeanine Pirro saying it's time to lock Hillary up. 1.00

00:25:21.000 It's time to shut it down, turn the tables, and lock her up. 1.00

00:25:27.000 That's what I said.

00:25:28.000 I actually said it.

00:25:31.000 Lock her up. 0.91

00:25:32.000 Well she said it, and since she said it, I guess we have to do it.

00:25:53.000 Okay, we can stop that there.

00:25:55.000 So, here is the problem with this.

00:25:56.000 Again, Hillary's malfeasance doesn't justify Trump's malfeasance. 1.00

00:26:00.000 Both of them seem to have been willing to engage in something, right?

00:26:05.000 It looks like the Clinton campaign actually engaged in something, right?

00:26:08.000 The idea that the Clinton team didn't know the millions of dollars were being funneled for a dossier, and what the dossier included, I find highly suspicious.

00:26:15.000 So what we have here, I said this online and people on the right went nuts.

00:26:18.000 Okay, what I said was, basically, what we have in the last election cycle were two teams of people who were willing to collude with the other side, meaning Russia, in order to get their opponent.

00:26:28.000 Okay, that much is true.

00:26:30.000 Then people say, well, Hillary was worse because Hillary actually colluded, meaning the Steele dossier.

00:26:34.000 Okay, that may be true.

00:26:34.000 I'm not denying that.

00:26:36.000 But just because both sides were willing to conclude and only one side was capable of finishing the collusion, that does not actually mean that both sides are good or that one side is good.

00:26:45.000 Now, people can say Trump is better than Clinton.

00:26:48.000 Maybe, in the same way that I guess attempted murder is better than actual murder if we're talking about crimes here.

00:26:53.000 But I still don't think that that really meets the standard of decency. 0.99

00:26:57.000 This, I guess, goes back to the last election cycle when I said that both candidates can suck. 0.99

00:27:01.000 People have a tough time with that. 0.97

00:27:02.000 But the reality is that what we're seeing from Team Trump, while we don't see criminal activity yet from Team Trump with regard to Russia collusion, the idea that they're willing to collude with Russia has been known since the Donald Trump Jr.

00:27:12.000 emails.

00:27:13.000 And those emails were not good for Team Trump, right?

00:27:16.000 That was kind of scuzzy.

00:27:16.000 I mean, if you're willing to work with the Russians in order to dig up dirt on Hillary, that's not good.

00:27:21.000 And the fact that Hillary was willing to have somebody dig up dirt on Trump from the Russians is also not good. 0.97

00:27:26.000 It's possible that everyone sucks and that one is worse. 0.98

00:27:28.000 Both things can be true at once. 0.97

00:27:30.000 Well, the Democrats are still trying to focus in on this dossier, too, and trying to say the dossier contains damning material about Trump.

00:27:37.000 Adam Schiff, who's this representative Democrat from California, he says that the dossier has still not been debunked, and there's still crazy eyes.

00:27:45.000 Adam Schiff says that it's most important is to determine what is true in the dossier.

00:27:50.000 I certainly would have liked to know who paid for it earlier, but nonetheless, that's just one factor to be considered.

00:27:57.000 It doesn't answer the ultimate question, which is, how much of the work is accurate?

00:28:02.000 How much of it is true?

00:28:04.000 And my colleagues don't seem particularly interested in that question, but that is really the most important question for the American people, and that is,

00:28:10.000 How much of this allegation that Christopher Steele makes and the reports that he hears are true about the Russian government wanting to help the Trump campaign?

00:28:18.000 Okay, so a couple of things.

00:28:20.000 One, there are two things that are worth investigating.

00:28:22.000 One, what's in the dossier is true.

00:28:23.000 And two, did Hillary Clinton work with the Russians in order to compile a dossier about her opponent, right?

00:28:28.000 I mean, that is bad stuff.

00:28:29.000 Okay, so I do want to talk about Kevin Spacey at length because this is an amazing story and it demonstrates the full-on politically correct insanity of the left.

00:28:38.000 A political correct leftism that eats its own.

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00:29:58.000 In any case, okay, let's talk about Kevin Spacey for just a second, because this is an amazing story.

00:30:04.000 So over the weekend, these allegations come out from BuzzFeed that an actor named Anthony Rapp, who was on Broadway at the time, was 14 years old.

00:30:14.000 This is 31 years ago, I guess.

00:30:16.000 And he was 14 years old, and Kevin Spacey, who has won two Oscars,

00:30:20.000 was apparently at a party with this kid, a 14-year-old kid, and picked him up like Rhett Butler with Scarlett O'Hara.

00:30:27.000 Picked him up, put him on a bed, and then attempted to climb on top of him.

00:30:32.000 A 14-year-old kid. 0.93

00:30:33.000 So he's attempting to sexually assault a 14-year-old kid.

00:30:36.000 So, Kevin Spacey comes out, and here is his statement.

00:30:39.000 And when I say comes out, I mean, like, in a couple of ways.

00:30:41.000 So he comes out, and here is his statement, Kevin Spacey.

00:30:44.000 He says, quote, I have a lot of respect and admiration for Anthony Rapp as an actor.

00:30:48.000 I'm beyond horrified to hear his story.

00:30:49.000 I honestly do not remember the encounter.

00:30:51.000 It would have been over 30 years ago.

00:30:52.000 But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior, and I am sorry for the feelings he describes having carried with him all these years.

00:31:02.000 This story has encouraged me to address other things about my life.

00:31:05.000 I know there are stories out there about me, and that some have been fueled by the fact that I have been so protective of my privacy.

00:31:09.000 As those closest to me know, in my life I have had relationships with both men and women.

00:31:13.000 I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man.

00:31:17.000 I want to deal with this honestly and openly, and that starts with examining my own behavior.

00:31:21.000 So, this is what we call the Jim McGreevy defense.

00:31:24.000 I don't know if you remember all the way back to 2004, for those who are younger in our audience, in 2004 there was a New Jersey governor, his name was Jim McGreevy.

00:31:31.000 Jim McGreevy was a Democrat, and his chief of staff, or security chief, accused Jim McGreevy of sexually harassing him.

00:31:39.000 And Jim McGreevy was married.

00:31:40.000 He had a kid, right?

00:31:41.000 He had been married twice and he actually had two kids.

00:31:43.000 And Jim McGreevy released a long, weepy statement about how he was a gay man.

00:31:47.000 I, Jim McGreevy, I am a gay man.

00:31:50.000 And the media said, oh, what a hero.

00:31:53.000 Oh, what a good guy.

00:31:54.000 You know, it doesn't matter that he cheated on his wife with men.

00:31:56.000 It doesn't matter that he was sexually harassing a guy. 0.98

00:31:58.000 The important thing is that he was gay. 0.97

00:32:01.000 He played the gay card, right? 1.00

00:32:03.000 In much the same way that the media have totally overlooked the traffic accident that killed somebody that Caitlyn Jenner was involved in, because Caitlyn Jenner is a hero, because Caitlyn Jenner is transgender.

00:32:12.000 This is the routine that we do now in America, is that if you are involved in an alleged crime,

00:32:19.000 If you come out as gay, or if you show your proper lefty bona fides, then we sort of ignore it. 0.99

00:32:24.000 Right?

00:32:24.000 The only reason that Harvey—that's why Harvey Weinstein, his initial response to the sexual assault, the rape charges that were being made about him, was, I'm going to target the NRA.

00:32:33.000 He was hoping to buy off the left media.

00:32:35.000 So the question that I had last night reading this was, was this going to work?

00:32:37.000 Because there are a couple problems for Kevin Spacey here.

00:32:40.000 One is, everyone's known that he's gay for at least 20 years.

00:32:43.000 I mean, I remember growing up, there were open jokes in Hollywood about Kevin Spacey being gay.

00:32:46.000 In fact, there were open jokes about Kevin Spacey molesting children.

00:32:49.000 A family guy famously made fun of Kevin Spacey like 10 years ago, in a scene in which Stewie, the baby, is running naked through a mall and shouting, I just escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement.

00:33:00.000 So these allegations have been made about Kevin Spacey for years and years and years behind closed doors.

00:33:05.000 That's problem number one for Kevin Spacey.

00:33:07.000 Problem number two is that the gay community has tried very, very hard to separate off the allegations that homosexuality is associated with pedophilia. 0.74

00:33:15.000 And they spent years trying to say homosexuality is not pedophilia, pedophilia is unacceptable. 0.53

00:33:20.000 And molestation of children is unacceptable, and trying to suggest that being gay is associated with pedophilia is a form of homophobia, right?

00:33:26.000 This is a claim that the left has made for years, and that the LGBT community has made for years.

00:33:31.000 This pretty much undermines that case, at least from Spacey's point of view, right?

00:33:36.000 Because the shorter defense here is, sure, I may have tried to molest a 14-year-old boy, but I'm gay.

00:33:43.000 That is not a good defense.

00:33:45.000 That is not a good line of defense, either morally or for the gay community, which is attempting to say, it is not appropriate to do this, right? 0.97

00:33:50.000 The gay community was angry when Milo Yiannopoulos suggested that it was fine that he was molested as a child by a priest.

00:33:56.000 And when all of this stuff comes out in the gay community, people tend to say, well, those are isolated incidents. 0.99

00:34:01.000 That's not indicative of a trend.

00:34:03.000 Well, this does not help that particular case, right?

00:34:06.000 So Kevin Spacey undermining the legitimacy of the homosexual community that is not involved in pedophilia by basically linking what he did to Anthony Rapp with being gay.

00:34:16.000 The main part of the Anthony Rapp story that people found disturbing was not the gay stuff. 0.75

00:34:20.000 It was the fact that Kevin Spacey was attempting to molest a child.

00:34:22.000 He was 14 years old as a child.

00:34:24.000 He's a one-year pastor bar mitzvah.

00:34:26.000 I mean, really, it's amazing stuff.

00:34:28.000 So, the question is, how do the media respond?

00:34:29.000 So I asked this last night, would the media buy into the idea that Kevin Spacey was a hero and let him off easy because he now says he's gay?

00:34:36.000 So, this is the intersectional politics of the left.

00:34:38.000 If you are gay, or you are black, or you are Hispanic, or you are a woman, if you make the claim that whatever you did wrong is based on your victimization as a member of that community, can you get away with it?

00:34:48.000 This is always the intersectional question.

00:34:51.000 And so I asked this last night, and a bunch of people on the left said, no, no way he gets away with this.

00:34:54.000 No way.

00:34:55.000 The media won't fall for this. 0.69

00:34:57.000 The media won't say that the headline is that he's gay. 0.97

00:34:59.000 The media will say the headline is that he's basically quasi-acknowledging he may have tried to rape a 14-year-old. 0.91

00:35:05.000 Here's the headline from Reuters.

00:35:06.000 If I read you that statement...

00:35:12.000 Would that be your headline? 0.90

00:35:13.000 Would your headline be, I was drunk, Kevin Spacey admits to, quasi-admits to drunkenly attempting to have sex with a 14-year-old boy? 0.97

00:35:21.000 Or would the headline be, Kevin Spacey says he lives life as a gay man?

00:35:25.000 I mean, is that a cover-up of epic media proportions or what?

00:35:28.000 Here's the headline from ABC News.

00:35:30.000 I choose to live as a gay man.

00:35:31.000 Kevin Spacey comes out in emotional tweet.

00:35:34.000 Emotional tweet, for God's sake!

00:35:35.000 He came out because a guy accused him of trying to molest him when he was 14 years old.

00:35:41.000 This is insanity.

00:35:43.000 Now, there are many media outlets that are reporting both facts, right? 0.59

00:35:45.000 They're saying things like, after accusations of sexual molestation, Spacey comes out as gay, right?

00:35:50.000 But again, if the punchline is Spacey comes out as gay, you're missing the punchline. 0.70

00:35:54.000 The punchline is Spacey trying to fob off molesting a 14-year-old by saying he was drunk at the time. 0.74

00:36:00.000 I don't remember everybody being, you know, quite so accepting of Roman Polanski raping a 13-year-old girl, right? 0.97

00:36:07.000 Maybe he should have just raped a 13-year-old boy and then said that he was drunk at the time and gay. 0.99

00:36:11.000 I mean, this is insanity. 1.00

00:36:13.000 This is fully insanity.

00:36:14.000 And again, this is not good for the LGBT community, for people who are saying, well, you know, we have to be protective of his rights as a gay man.

00:36:20.000 No, you have to be protective of the rights of children, and gay people understand this.

00:36:23.000 I mean, that's been the response that I've seen from the LGBT folks that I know online. 0.92

00:36:27.000 Right, the gay people I'm seeing online are saying, this is insane.

00:36:29.000 How could Kevin Spacey say such a thing? 0.59

00:36:32.000 How could Kevin Spacey undercut our entire case like this?

00:36:35.000 The media cheering Spacey is just another indicator that the media are really disgusting and their leftism overcomes even their most basic sort of moral stances.

00:36:43.000 Okay, time for some things I like and some things I hate.

00:36:45.000 And then I've decided to initiate something new on Mondays.

00:36:49.000 On Mondays I think that we're going to start going through some founding documents because I think it's important for people to really understand founding philosophy.

00:36:54.000 So we have Big Idea Thursdays.

00:36:56.000 That's not always about the founding.

00:36:57.000 But I think what I want to do is go through one of the Federalist Papers every week.

00:37:00.000 So that by the end of a year and a half or two, we will have gone through the entirety of the Federalist Papers, and you will know what exactly our founding fathers had to say about our system of government, which I think is super important.

00:37:10.000 So, time for things I like and things I hate.

00:37:12.000 First, then we will get to that.

00:37:13.000 So, things I like.

00:37:14.000 Let's do it.

00:37:15.000 So, we begin with a... Last week, somebody asked about my favorite parenting books, books that I like about parenting.

00:37:22.000 So this is one that is really good for when you have toddlers.

00:37:25.000 So toddlers are the worst people in the world.

00:37:27.000 Okay, toddlers, listen, I love my daughter.

00:37:29.000 She is spectacular.

00:37:30.000 She is just the love of my life.

00:37:32.000 We have the best relationship.

00:37:33.000 She's sweet as honey.

00:37:35.000 She's just wonderful.

00:37:36.000 She's smart as a whip. 0.99

00:37:37.000 She's so smart.

00:37:38.000 Like, the other day, she actually defined for me onomatopoeia.

00:37:41.000 Seriously.

00:37:41.000 She's three and a half.

00:37:42.000 She's just a wonderful kid.

00:37:45.000 But, like any other toddler, toddlers are little monsters.

00:37:48.000 Okay, and toddlers do not have any prefrontal cortex development, which means anything they are thinking comes right out.

00:37:53.000 So, that doesn't just mean they say cute, innocent things.

00:37:55.000 It also means they scream like banshees when they don't get what they want.

00:37:57.000 They fuss.

00:37:58.000 They'll try to hit people.

00:38:00.000 Studies show that between two and three is the most violent time of human beings' life, as a general matter.

00:38:04.000 And so, the first thing that you have to debunk as a parent is the idea that your child is naturally good.

00:38:09.000 Your child is not naturally good.

00:38:11.000 Your child is naturally a child, and children are naturally terrible. 0.91

00:38:14.000 Right?

00:38:14.000 This is why they have to be civilized.

00:38:15.000 John Rosemond is sort of a more traditional parenting expert.

00:38:19.000 I know John a little bit.

00:38:20.000 I've known him for years.

00:38:21.000 He wrote a book called The Well-Behaved Child Discipline That Really Works.

00:38:24.000 The whole book is basically about how there must be consequences when children misbehave.

00:38:28.000 So I know it's super painful.

00:38:29.000 It really is.

00:38:30.000 As a parent, it's painful for me to punish my child.

00:38:32.000 Really painful.

00:38:33.000 Like she does something, and it's quasi-cute, but also kind of malicious.

00:38:37.000 And I don't want to punish her.

00:38:38.000 I don't like seeing her suffer.

00:38:39.000 And also, I like doing fun things with her.

00:38:41.000 Do I want to deprive myself of that pleasure?

00:38:42.000 Yes.

00:38:43.000 You do.

00:38:43.000 You want to say to her, you're not allowed to do X, right?

00:38:46.000 And if you do X, then the rule is, you're not getting Y. Right?

00:38:50.000 And you have to be very strict about it.

00:38:51.000 And you have to be very consistent about it.

00:38:52.000 And it doesn't matter if they cry.

00:38:53.000 It doesn't matter if they apologize.

00:38:55.000 Even if they apologize and they fix the behavior, whatever you said the punishment will be has to be fulfilled.

00:38:59.000 Otherwise, the child is learning to manipulate you not to actually be good.

00:39:03.000 The book is The Well-Behaved Child by John Roseman.

00:39:05.000 It's really, really useful.

00:39:06.000 For parents who are having trouble with toddlers, which is to say every parent who's ever had a toddler.

00:39:10.000 So check that out.

00:39:12.000 So last week in Congress, there was a hearing about the fact that in Europe there is so much abortion of people who are

00:39:22.000 Let me say that I am not a research scientist.

00:39:25.000 However,

00:39:51.000 No one knows more about life with Down syndrome than I do.

00:40:00.000 Whatever you learn today, please remember this.

00:40:08.000 I am a man with Down syndrome and my life is worth living.

00:40:20.000 Okay, and the left doesn't seem to acknowledge this is why they say things like, well, if you have a Down syndrome baby, wouldn't it be better for the kid not to live?

00:40:26.000 No, it would not be better for the kid not to live.

00:40:28.000 Life is always a better choice.

00:40:30.000 Okay, time for a couple of things I hate, then we'll get to Federalist number one.

00:40:38.000 So John Kasich says he wants to run for president again.

00:40:40.000 Oh, no.

00:40:41.000 God, no.

00:40:42.000 Please, no.

00:40:43.000 Sweet baby Jesus, no.

00:40:44.000 Not John Kasich.

00:40:46.000 Please, no.

00:40:46.000 God, no.

00:40:47.000 That's my basic commentary on that.

00:40:49.000 Kasich wants to run for president again after his dramatic fail of a run in 2016 when he stayed in just long enough to ensure that President Trump would actually become the nominee in the first place.

00:40:59.000 Kasich is one of the more insufferable people in the political scene.

00:41:02.000 He portrays himself as this high and mighty guy. 0.70

00:41:04.000 Basically, he just thinks the government should be used for his own personal predilections, which is quite despicable.

00:41:09.000 And Kasich running is just another vanity campaign.

00:41:13.000 No, I would not vote for John Kasich in a primary. 0.98

00:41:15.000 John Kasich is awful. 0.99

00:41:17.000 Okay, other things that I hate. 0.98

00:41:18.000 So, Democrat Senator Kamala Harris. 0.80

00:41:22.000 is now accusing the Justice Department of siding with discrimination.

00:41:25.000 Why?

00:41:26.000 Because the DOJ has basically suggested that it is not going to crack down hard on private companies that discriminate against LGBT people or LGBT behavior.

00:41:39.000 So she did a dinner at the Human Rights Campaign and she said that Attorney General Sessions stands on the side of discrimination against equality.

00:41:45.000 Here's what she said.

00:41:46.000 LGBT rights are under attack.

00:41:52.000 Under attack by a Justice Department that now stands on the side of discrimination instead of equality.

00:42:01.000 Under attack by a Senate nominee who thinks homosexuality should be illegal and a judicial nominee who says transgender children are proof of Satan's plan.

00:42:16.000 And under attack 0.93

00:42:18.000 Okay, so there are a few things that I hate about this.

00:42:22.000 One, the implication that the DOJ has a role in policing private business as a general matter I object to.

00:42:36.000 I object to this on every level.

00:42:37.000 I cut an entire video about it, actually, that you can view over at YouTube, about why the government needs to be involved in preventing private discrimination.

00:42:44.000 I have problems with this?

00:42:44.000 So should Kamala Harris, because if she wants any Christian to be able to go into any gay bake shop and have them make an anti-gay cake, then she should continue along these lines, because that's exactly where she is going.

00:42:55.000 Now, as far as Roy Moore, right, he's the Senate candidate from Alabama, Roy Moore says really nutty things.

00:42:59.000 There are some things about Roy Moore that I've liked.

00:43:02.000 For example, I actually don't object to Roy Moore bucking against the federal judiciary as the sort of final authority on the Constitution.

00:43:10.000 What Roy Moore has said about Muslims not being allowed to serve in Congress is absurd. 0.87

00:43:13.000 What Roy Moore has said about homosexuality being illegal is absurd. 0.97

00:43:16.000 All of that is absurd.

00:43:17.000 Basically in Alabama, you basically have the 2016 election all over again.

00:43:21.000 There are a lot of people who are voting for Roy Moore in order to stop whomever the Democrat is from taking that particular office.

00:43:27.000 But in any case,

00:43:28.000 When Kamala Harris does this routine, like LGBT people are under assault from the Trump administration, that is just not true. 0.98

00:43:34.000 And when she says, you know, transgenders serving in the military, you know, there's no case for those people not being able to serve in the military.

00:43:40.000 Actually, it's a pretty strong case for people who suffer from severe mental illness not to serve in the military.

00:43:45.000 There are lots of people who don't get to serve in the military.

00:43:47.000 Serving in the military is not a right.

00:43:48.000 Serving in the military is a privilege.

00:43:51.000 And the fact that people want to, now that you can volunteer for the military and it's not a draft,

00:43:56.000 The fact that, you know, people want to serve but can't is nothing new.

00:43:59.000 There are lots of people who want to serve but can't.

00:44:02.000 And again, it creates all sorts of issues.

00:44:03.000 I've been talking with people in the military who've been telling me about the education that they're being forced to go through with regard to transgender troops.

00:44:10.000 It openly says in those transgender training sessions that a man who identifies as a woman should be allowed to shower with the woman in the barracks. 0.83

00:44:17.000 I mean, this is not good or easy stuff.

00:44:20.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:44:21.000 Final thing I hate, and then we'll get to the Federalist Papers.

00:44:23.000 So, John Boehner did an interview with Politico in which he laid into every Republican he could think of.

00:44:28.000 He laid into George W. Bush.

00:44:29.000 He laid into Ted Cruz.

00:44:31.000 He laid into Mark Levin.

00:44:32.000 He laid into pretty much everything on the right side of the aisle.

00:44:35.000 Jim Jordan, the congressman from Ohio, he said, F Jim Jordan, F Jason Chaffetz.

00:44:40.000 He said, Jordan was a terrorist as a legislator going back to his days in the Ohio House and Senate. 0.73

00:44:43.000 A terrorist, a legislative terrorist.

00:44:45.000 Is it any wonder we got rid of Boehner? 0.89

00:44:47.000 Is it any wonder that we got Donald Trump?

00:44:49.000 That people looked at the establishment and said they are so much more willing to attack people on their own side than they are willing to attack the left?

00:44:55.000 Right?

00:44:55.000 He actually defends Obama in this, right?

00:44:57.000 Here's something John Boehner says.

00:44:58.000 Remember, this was the Speaker of the House for Republicans.

00:45:00.000 Quote, People thought in 09-10-11 the country couldn't be divided more.

00:45:04.000 And you go back to Obama's campaign in 2008, you know, he was talking about the divide and healing the country and all of that.

00:45:09.000 And some would argue on the right, he did more to divide the country than to unite it.

00:45:12.000 I kind of reject that notion.

00:45:13.000 It was modern-day media and social media that kept people pushing further right and further left.

00:45:17.000 People started to figure out they could choose where to get their news.

00:45:20.000 I always liked Rush Limbaugh.

00:45:21.000 When I went to Palm Beach, I would always meet with Rush and we'd go play golf.

00:45:23.000 But you know, who was that right-wing guy, Mark Levin?

00:45:26.000 He really went crazy right and got a big audience.

00:45:28.000 And he dragged Hannity to the dark side.

00:45:29.000 He dragged Rush to the dark side.

00:45:30.000 And these guys, I used to talk to them all the time.

00:45:32.000 And suddenly they're beating the living bleep out of me. 1.00

00:45:34.000 I wasn't going to be a right-wing idiot. 0.99

00:45:36.000 Can you imagine why, perhaps, the conservative base might have been unhappy with John Boehner who repeatedly cut deals with President Obama? 0.99

00:45:42.000 Repeatedly, repeatedly?

00:45:43.000 And then he blames the right-wing base?

00:45:45.000 Maybe you should have been better at your job, dude.

00:45:47.000 Okay.

00:45:48.000 Now, I want to go very quickly through Federalist No.

00:45:50.000 1.

00:45:50.000 So the Federalist Papers are the greatest set of discussions on the foundation of a government in human history.

00:45:57.000 They are fantastic.

00:45:58.000 The first one was written by Alexander Hamilton.

00:45:59.000 So these were all written in the New York Papers by Publius.

00:46:02.000 Publius was a pen name for John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison.

00:46:06.000 So some of them were written by Jay, some were written by Madison, some were written by Hamilton.

00:46:09.000 Federalist No. 0.54

00:46:10.000 1 was written by Alexander Hamilton, who is the flavor of the month now because there's a musical about him.

00:46:14.000 So here is what he talks about.

00:46:16.000 What he says, and this is the part that I found really fascinating.

00:46:18.000 What he says is, I'm not going to impugn the intentions of people who oppose the Constitution.

00:46:23.000 It's something we should remember.

00:46:25.000 I'm not going to impugn them because that would not help me convince them.

00:46:28.000 He says, were there not even these inducements to moderation, nothing could be more ill-judged, nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at times, characterized political parties.

00:46:39.000 For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword.

00:46:44.000 Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.

00:46:47.000 There he is making the case for religious toleration and also political toleration.

00:46:51.000 Understand that your political opponent may not have bad intent.

00:46:54.000 Kamala Harris ascribes bad intent.

00:46:56.000 Maybe your political opponent just disagrees.

00:46:58.000 And you're not going to win them over by claiming that they're a bunch of Nazis.

00:47:01.000 And when I say that the left says that they're a bunch of Nazis, I have to show you this commercial briefly.

00:47:05.000 This is from a Latino group that's now running in the Virginia governor's race.

00:47:09.000 against Ed Gillespie, the Republican.

00:47:11.000 Okay, when I say that the left assumes that the right has bad intentions, that they're all deplorable and evil, look at this commercial.

00:47:15.000 This is an insane commercial, but it does the precise opposite of what Hamilton is talking about in Federalist No.

00:47:20.000 1.

00:47:20.000 Okay, so you see all these minority children who are running around, and then there's a minority kid who's running from a truck that has a Confederate flag on the back.

00:47:33.000 Right, some white guy, some evil white guy, with a Confederate truck on the back, a Confederate flag on the back,

00:47:40.000 Okay, it looks like a Hispanic kid, and then there's an Asian kid, and they both start running for their lives. 0.97

00:47:47.000 And on the back of the truck, it says Gillespie for governor.

00:47:51.000 And now there's a Muslim kid, and there's a black kid, and they all start running from this truck. 0.96

00:47:55.000 Clearly, this truck with the Ed Gillespie sticker and the Confederate flag wants to run them down and murder them because it's a white supremacist with the don't tread on me flag on the front of the car, chasing after them. 0.98

00:48:07.000 They've all run to the fence, and then the truck is going to crush them. 0.76

00:48:10.000 And all these kids wake up from the nightmare.

00:48:12.000 Is this what Donald Trump and Ed Gillespie mean by the American Dream?

00:48:16.000 Latino Victory Fund paid for this.

00:48:19.000 And then it shows the march from Charlottesville.

00:48:20.000 Just despicable.

00:48:22.000 Just despicable.

00:48:22.000 Ed Gillespie condemned that march.

00:48:24.000 Ed Gillespie opposed that march.

00:48:25.000 He opposes the white supremacists. 0.99

00:48:27.000 It's just disgusting. 0.99

00:48:28.000 You want to know why the country's coming apart?

00:48:31.000 Because of what Hamilton talks about in Federalist No.

00:48:33.000 1 being ignored.

00:48:34.000 He finishes Federalist No.

00:48:35.000 1 by saying something else that's of value.

00:48:36.000 He says,

00:48:38.000 History will teach us that, he basically says, we should make the case for reasoned government based on what government will work best, rather than shouting about rights of the people, right?

00:48:47.000 We have this rights talk that now predominates in American government, where people on the right say, all of our rights are gonna be violated, we're all gonna be murdered.

00:48:53.000 And people on the left saying all of your rights are going to be violated, you're going to be starved without big government.

00:48:56.000 He says history will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, meaning broad appeals to the rights of the people, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants.

00:49:16.000 They begin as demagogues, they end as tyrants.

00:49:17.000 Why?

00:49:18.000 Because they appeal to the people, right?

00:49:20.000 Like Bane in Dark Knight Rises.

00:49:22.000 They appeal to the people.

00:49:24.000 And then they're able to gather a will about them in order to go and do bad things.

00:49:28.000 So Federalist No.

00:49:29.000 1, a good introduction to how political debate should be done in America.

00:49:32.000 And Alexander Hamilton was in it with the best of them.

00:49:35.000 So check that out.

00:49:36.000 We'll be back here tomorrow for more.

00:49:38.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:49:39.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - October 30, 2017

It’s Indictment Day! | Ep. 406

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