The Ben Shapiro Show - It’s MAHA TIME: Trump Picks RFK Jr.

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00:00:26.000 Alrighty, so Donald Trump.

00:00:28.000 He's doing, as Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania says, some God-level trolling.

00:00:32.000 Many of the picks that he is currently making are both hilarious and kind of wonderful, and we'll get into all of them.

00:00:38.000 Here's John Fetterman.

00:00:39.000 I gotta say, John Fetterman gets it.

00:00:40.000 I don't know why, but he, on a gut level, sort of understands the Trump movement.

00:00:46.000 Here was John Fetterman laughing as he as he talked about some of Donald Trump's latest picks.

00:00:51.000 I mean, it's I would describe it as God tier level trolling to just trigger a full on China syndrome to own the libs in perpetuity. 1.00

00:01:03.000 I mean, that's a good description.

00:01:09.000 Agree?

00:01:10.000 Meanwhile, Rachel Maddow at MSMDC is melting.

00:01:12.000 This is going to destroy the government as we know it.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, that's the idea, Rachel.

00:01:17.000 See, here is the thing.

00:01:18.000 When you gaslight everybody about COVID and COVID vaccines and the necessity to mandate those things, when you shut down the entire country but you allow people to riot in the streets so long as they're doing so for George Floyd, all in the name of science, you're going to get RFK Jr.

00:01:34.000 at Health and Human Services.

00:01:35.000 That is the natural consequent of what you have done.

00:01:39.000 If you decide to weaponize the DOJ, you should not then be super surprised when Donald Trump nominates somebody like Matt Gaetz to head the DOJ. If you're going to turn the military into a bastion of wokeism and pervert its structure and purpose from killing bad guys into promulgating your favorite social theories, you should not be surprised when Pete Hegseth is the nominee.

00:02:01.000 You earned this, people.

00:02:03.000 Anyway, here's Rachel Maddow lamenting.

00:02:06.000 That's part of consolidating power, to make the U.S. government nothing other than the leader and people who will do what he says.

00:02:13.000 And there not being any repository of expertise, let alone, you know, just general day-to-day know-how anywhere.

00:02:22.000 So it's a sort of, as Steve Bannon used to say, it's a sort of Leninist project, right?

00:02:27.000 Destroy the state.

00:02:28.000 This is the cabinet that you nominate not to run the U.S. government to do anything, but to destroy the U.S. government so that the U.S. government can be fundamentally reimagined as something much more like a unitary, authoritarian, or autocratic, for lack of a better term, system.

00:02:48.000 Okay, the amazing thing about what she is saying is that it is such an inversion of history.

00:02:52.000 What the Democrats have been doing, their entire project since the beginning of the 20th century under Woodrow Wilson, was to actually consolidate power in the executive branch.

00:02:59.000 To create a complete, gigantic, unelected, authoritarian bureaucracy.

00:03:05.000 That was the purpose of the Woodrow Wilson progressive movement.

00:03:07.000 It was the purpose of FDR. It was the purpose of LBJ. It was the purpose of Barack Obama.

00:03:11.000 It was the purpose of Joe Biden.

00:03:12.000 And now, when Donald Trump comes in, he says, listen, I'm the president now.

00:03:16.000 And that means I'm the captain now.

00:03:17.000 And that means I'm going to select people.

00:03:19.000 I'm going to put them all over.

00:03:20.000 Maybe the solution to all of this, if you're a Democrat, is to maybe walk away from the idea that the unitary executive ought to be the repository of all power.

00:03:29.000 That you ought to be able to put career appointees in place all over the government to do your bidding.

00:03:35.000 Who you can't fire and are unelectable in the first place.

00:03:38.000 Maybe this should be the end of the administrative state.

00:03:40.000 This is something that I've said to some of my friends on the left.

00:03:43.000 I did an interview with Anna Kasparian a while back.

00:03:46.000 We're talking about our differences in politics.

00:03:48.000 Anna Kasparian, of course, is a host over at the Young Turks.

00:03:50.000 And by the end of the interview, I said to her, you know what might be a great solution to many of our disagreements at the federal level?

00:03:55.000 To have the federal government not involved in many of these things, to minimize the power of the federal government as per the founding fathers in the structure of the Constitution.

00:04:03.000 And she agreed to that.

00:04:05.000 That seems like a pretty good solution.

00:04:07.000 But you guys, you bought the ticket and now you take the train ride.

00:04:11.000 You brought this upon yourselves.

00:04:13.000 In any case, yesterday, Donald Trump made a bunch of controversial picks.

00:04:17.000 His most controversial pick...

00:04:20.000 Was RFK Jr.

00:04:21.000 So, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of course, ran as a Democrat in 2024.

00:04:26.000 And then he was basically ousted from the primaries in favor of Joe Biden in the Democratic Party.

00:04:31.000 Because the Democratic Party said Joe Biden had to be the nominee.

00:04:34.000 You remember this.

00:04:36.000 RFK wanted to run against Biden inside the Democratic Party.

00:04:39.000 And they said, no, no one will run against Joe Biden.

00:04:41.000 He's too great and important a president.

00:04:43.000 And then, of course, they took him and they tossed him off the back of a train when he died on stage versus Donald Trump.

00:04:48.000 Well...

00:04:49.000 Again, you made this happen, folks.

00:04:52.000 So RFK Jr.

00:04:53.000 immediately flipped.

00:04:54.000 First, he went independent.

00:04:55.000 Then finally, he ended up endorsing Donald Trump.

00:04:57.000 And now he is the leader of the so-called Make America Healthy Again movement, MAHA. Which, by the way, I think is a great purpose for RFK Jr.

00:05:06.000 We had him on our show.

00:05:07.000 He talked extensively about his purpose in making America healthy again.

00:05:11.000 He said, listen, many of the biggest issues facing the American people are issues that none of our politicians talk about.

00:05:17.000 Our politicians will talk about tax policy.

00:05:18.000 They'll talk about whether to drill or not to drill.

00:05:21.000 But they'll never talk about the fact that the American people are increasingly unhealthy.

00:05:25.000 And RFK Jr., Bobby, he said, if I were in government, my number one job would be to make the American people healthy again.

00:05:33.000 That there are a bunch of substances that are in our food and our drink that are banned in Europe and that are replete in all of our products and they are making us fatter.

00:05:41.000 And by the way, he's not wrong about this.

00:05:44.000 The New York Times today acknowledges that nearly three-quarters of American adults are overweight or obese, according to a sweeping new study.

00:05:52.000 By the way, this has some downstream effects because it turns out that when you hear statistics about American life expectancy flatlining, about the fact that people are getting high rates of chronic diseases in the United States, that's because of what we are eating, that is because of what we are drinking, and it's because we never exercise.

00:06:08.000 There are comparable places around the earth that have higher life expectancies than we do.

00:06:12.000 And that is not because of our medical system.

00:06:14.000 That is not because American doctors are worse or American hospitals are worse or anything remotely like that.

00:06:20.000 When somebody in Europe has cancer, they're coming to the United States for treatment.

00:06:23.000 The reality is that it's not our medical system per se that's broken.

00:06:26.000 Our medical insurance system is broken.

00:06:28.000 Our medical system is not broken.

00:06:29.000 The thing that is broken is our health care system, our health system.

00:06:34.000 According to the New York Times, the findings have wide-reaching implications for the nation's health and medical costs as it faces a growing burden of weight-related diseases.

00:06:42.000 The study, published on Thursday in The Lancet, reveals the striking rates of obesity nationwide since 1990.

00:06:47.000 In 1990, just over half of American adults were overweight or obese, and it shows how more people are becoming overweight or obese at younger ages than in the past.

00:06:56.000 Both conditions raise the risk of diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease, and they shorten life expectancy.

00:07:01.000 Without aggressive intervention they forecast, the number of overweight and obese people will continue to go up, reaching nearly 260 million people in 2050.

00:07:11.000 The paper defines overweight adults as people who are age 25 with a body mass index of BMI at or over 25 and obese adults as those with a BMI at or over 30.

00:07:21.000 Now again, there are a number of things that the pharmaceutical industry is attempting in order to kind of walk that back.

00:07:28.000 Obviously, Ozempic would be the most obvious example. 0.97

00:07:32.000 But if you can take preventative measures so kids aren't obese at age 7, and if that means that we look for different solutions inside the FDA or inside the NIH or inside HHS generally...

00:07:45.000 That's a good thing.

00:07:46.000 Here, for example, was RFK Jr.

00:07:49.000 talking about the sort of products and services that are available to Americans that are not available other places because, as he says, the food industry has a giant lobbying arm, which is true.

00:08:00.000 I've been picking on Darjecine today, but that's just one of at least 100 chemical poisons that our health agencies allow into our children's food.

00:08:09.000 I can make a video just like this to talk about Red 40, BHA, BHD, potassium bromide, Chemical after chemical and on and on and on.

00:08:19.000 If just one of them can cause all of these problems, imagine what they're doing in combination.

00:08:25.000 That's never been studied.

00:08:26.000 If we took all these chemicals out, our nation would get healthier immediately.

00:08:31.000 We'd have fewer sick days.

00:08:33.000 We'd have better focus.

00:08:34.000 We'd have less anxiety.

00:08:36.000 Our kids would learn more easily.

00:08:39.000 We'd lose weight.

00:08:40.000 We'd have more energy.

00:08:42.000 We'd have fewer tumors and longer lives.

00:08:45.000 It's not all dark.

00:08:46.000 Over the past 16 years, the government has banned eight chemical additives that cause cancer, genetic damage, asthma, and many of the other self-conditions as tartrazine does.

00:08:57.000 And you know what's interesting?

00:08:59.000 All eight of those crucial steps forward in our kids' health were taken under President Trump.

00:09:04.000 But the Democrats, who claim to be all about healthcare, have stood by watching other countries ban these poisons that make our kids sick, asthmatic, hyperactive, and depressed.

00:09:15.000 They left them on every supermarket shelf in America.

00:09:18.000 They even used your tax money to put them in your kids' school lunch.

00:09:22.000 So their big food and their big ag donors probably gave them all that golden handshake and the big money hug.

00:09:28.000 And their big pharma donors probably called them up and thanked them also because now they're going to make billions selling Adderall, Prozac, and rescue inhalers.

00:09:38.000 Enough is enough.

00:09:39.000 President Trump and I are going to stop.

00:09:44.000 Okay, so the general mission there, there's nothing wrong with the general mission there.

00:09:51.000 How that is actually applied in real life is going to be the big question.

00:09:54.000 And in a confirmation hearing, I'm sure much of that will come up.

00:09:56.000 How much power should the HHS have to outright ban things in your food?

00:10:00.000 How much power should the HHS have, for example, to hold up new drugs?

00:10:05.000 One of the big problems in the United States is that it is very difficult to get a new pharmaceutical product approved and very expensive.

00:10:11.000 That's the reason why pharmaceuticals are very expensive when it comes to the consumer level, is because it's not just the R&D you have to do to develop a drug.

00:10:18.000 It's also that you then have to go through an extraordinarily rigorous process that very often is replete with red tape.

00:10:24.000 So there are a bunch of problems inside FDA, inside NIH. 0.97

00:10:28.000 Many of the studies that are being promulgated by NIH are just crap. 0.98

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00:13:00.000 It'll be fascinating to see how RFK Jr.

00:13:03.000 does all that.

00:13:04.000 Obviously, he's a trial lawyer.

00:13:05.000 And again, the sort of mentality of a trial lawyer very often is to find the The vulnerability of a particular product to causation of a health problem.

00:13:17.000 So if there's even a remote causative effect of some sort of product on somebody's health, then you can sue based on that and you can make a lot of money if you're a trial lawyer.

00:13:25.000 However, is that enough of a standard to ban it?

00:13:27.000 Or are we going to get more advisory opinions?

00:13:29.000 None of this is particularly clear at this point.

00:13:31.000 What is clear is that refocusing America on being healthier While also allowing for more innovation in a lot of these areas would definitely be the target goal.

00:13:41.000 I think that's what President Trump wants here.

00:13:43.000 President Trump put out a statement.

00:13:44.000 He said, I'm thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:13:46.000 as the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services.

00:13:48.000 For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception and misinformation and disinformation when it comes to public health.

00:13:56.000 The safety and health of all Americans is the most important role of any administration.

00:13:59.000 HHS will play a big role in helping ensure everyone will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming health crisis in this country.

00:14:09.000 Mr.

00:14:09.000 Kennedy will restore these agencies to the traditions of gold standard scientific research and beacons of transparency to end the chronic disease epidemic and make America great and healthy again.

00:14:18.000 And one of the big problems in this entire area is that much of the data is confused, jumbled, very difficult to suss out.

00:14:25.000 For example, when it comes to pesticides on fruits and veggies, they're used on fruits and veggies.

00:14:29.000 It makes America's agricultural sector incredibly productive.

00:14:33.000 It means that, for example, genetically modified organisms, when you're talking about GMOs, different types of corn or different types of rice, it's been a massive boon in terms of the productivity for society.

00:14:45.000 And then there are people who will put out studies suggesting it's less healthy than sort of organic.

00:14:50.000 Okay, well, what is the sort of happy medium there in terms of productivity and price versus possible risks?

00:14:57.000 These are difficult questions to answer, but the fact that the questions very often have not even been asked is the problem.

00:15:03.000 There's a clip of Peter Thiel, the billionaire investor, talking with Barry Weiss of the Free Press about this.

00:15:09.000 And it was kind of fascinating.

00:15:11.000 He basically said the problem with science right now, he said science historically has been, this is a good take, it's been a balance between skepticism and doctrine.

00:15:20.000 So science has pushed So if there's a doctrine that appears on scientific, science is pushed back against it.

00:15:26.000 That's kind of the story of enlightenment versus religion in a wide variety of ways.

00:15:31.000 But also you have to push back against radical skepticism in science as well.

00:15:35.000 You have to push back against the idea that, for example, does my chair exist?

00:15:40.000 A speculative philosophy.

00:15:41.000 And he says, if you fast forward to today, the problem is that scientists are actually doctrinaire.

00:15:47.000 If you look at NIH, if you look at FDA, if you look at the treatment of COVID, they're doctrinaire.

00:15:52.000 They just accept whatever is coming down the pike and they refuse to even think about the possibility that maybe they've been wrong and that maybe the studies that they've been citing and relying upon are no good.

00:16:04.000 And he says, you know, maybe what we need is more skepticism rather than being just as doctrinaire as they are right now.

00:16:11.000 Now here, for example, is RFK Jr.

00:16:13.000 talking about public health.

00:16:14.000 And again, I don't think that there's a lot to argue with here.

00:16:16.000 In some categories of workers, there are entire departments, like the nutrition departments at FDA, that have to go, that are not doing their job.

00:16:29.000 They're not protecting our kids.

00:16:31.000 So, again, I don't think he's wrong about all that.

00:16:34.000 Now, there are a bunch of places, for example, where the media is pushing back and being doctrinaire, where the answer isn't particularly clear.

00:16:41.000 So, RFK Jr., for example, has pushed against fluoridation in water.

00:16:45.000 And this has been sort of a...

00:16:47.000 A much-mocked, quote-unquote, conspiracy theory going all the way back to Dr.

00:16:51.000 Strangelove all the way back in the 1960s.

00:16:53.000 That the fluoridation in the water is going to kill everybody.

00:16:55.000 So what actually happened with fluoridation in the water is that the federal government, at a time when there wasn't enough fluoride in toothpaste and many people weren't actually brushing their teeth, decided to put fluoride in water so we didn't get massive tooth decay.

00:17:06.000 Because fluoride builds up the materials in your teeth so that you don't get tooth decay.

00:17:11.000 And there's a lot of questions about that at the time.

00:17:13.000 And then it sort of went by the wayside and was treated as a conspiracy theory that there were any downside effects of fluoridating the water.

00:17:19.000 So, for example, the Wall Street Journal today says Kennedy has pledged to advise against fluoride in drinking water, a stance that would put him at odds with public health officials.

00:17:27.000 Okay, but here is the thing.

00:17:29.000 Leanna Nguyen, who is certainly no conservative, writing for the Washington Post today, says, quote, the debate over water fluoridation is far from settled.

00:17:39.000 She says, When I delved into the research, I was shocked.

00:17:55.000 The data clearly indicates that conventional wisdom needs to be revisited.

00:17:59.000 And as I explained in my column, the benefit of continuing to fluoridate drinking water is unclear, given the widespread availability of fluoride-containing toothpaste.

00:18:05.000 In addition, emerging research raises concerns for fluoride's negative impacts on developing brains.

00:18:13.000 She says the studies demonstrating fluoride's impact are well-conducted, peer-reviewed, and published in prestigious journals like JAMA. That's the Journal of American Medical Association.

00:18:20.000 Earlier this year, the National Toxicology Program, part of the Department of Health and Human Services, concluded with moderate confidence fluoride in drinking water is linked with lower IQ in kids.

00:18:31.000 Critics have pointed out the association has seen a fluoride levels either at or higher than 1.5 milligrams per liter, which is more than twice the optimal level recommended by the U.S. Public Health Service.

00:18:40.000 But nearly 3 million Americans live in areas with tap water fluoride levels at or above this threshold.

00:18:47.000 She says, you know, again, that the sort of doctrinaire repetition of so-called medical truths has shut the mind to the possibility of future data.

00:18:58.000 Again, you saw this a lot with regard to people's views on the mRNA vaccine.

00:19:03.000 My own views on that evolved as data emerged with regard to that.

00:19:07.000 I was never in favor of mandates, but, you know, following the data as it emerged, it became clearer and clearer that while the mRNA vaccine for COVID might be highly useful for people who are really obese or really old, for people who are young and healthy, it was a much dicier question.

00:19:22.000 For example, there are myocarditis risks for people who are younger.

00:19:25.000 My own kids were not vaccinated for COVID. You got to follow the data.

00:19:30.000 But the scientific community has used the sort of conspiracy theory label to hit everybody at all times.

00:19:36.000 And that's exactly what Leanna Nguyen is pointing out.

00:19:39.000 By the way, Jared Polis, again, no Republican.

00:19:42.000 He put out an entire statement saying, quote, I'm excited by the news.

00:19:45.000 President-elect will appoint Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:19:48.000 to HHS government.

00:19:49.000 He helped us defeat vaccine mandates in Colorado in 2019 and will help make America healthy again by shaking up HHS and FDA. I hope he leans into personal choice on vaccines rather than bans, which I think are terrible, just like mandates.

00:20:00.000 By the way, states still get to control how vaccines work.

00:20:04.000 It's actually not a federal-level question in general, unless you're banning full-out a vaccine.

00:20:09.000 He said, what I'm most optimistic about is taking on Big Pharma and the corporate ag oligopoly to improve our health.

00:20:14.000 Before you mock or disagree, I want to share with you some quotes that if he follows through, show why I'm excited.

00:20:20.000 Quote, in some categories, there are entire departments like the nutrition department at the FDA that have to go.

00:20:24.000 They're not doing their job.

00:20:25.000 They're not protecting our kids.

00:20:27.000 Yes, says Jared Polis, Democrat governor of Colorado.

00:20:30.000 The entire nutrition regime is dominated by big corporate ag rather than human health, and they do more harm than good.

00:20:36.000 Or, for example, RFK Jr.

00:20:38.000 saying we've got to get off pesticide-intensive agriculture.

00:20:41.000 Yes, we've tried unsuccessfully to better protect people and pollinators from harmful pesticides in Colorado.

00:20:45.000 We need all the help we can get to take on big chemical companies and improve human health and the environment.

00:20:51.000 So again, this is a lot more shaded an issue than I think the media want it to be.

00:20:55.000 It is also worth noting that if you flash all the way back to 2008, Barack Obama, according to Politico, openly considered RF Kennedy Jr.

00:21:04.000 to head the EPA. So the same people today who are screaming and shrieking to the sky about RFK Jr.

00:21:08.000 were openly considering putting him at EPA just about 16 years ago.

00:21:13.000 But you can hear over on CNN, Dr.

00:21:15.000 Sanjay Gupta freaking out.

00:21:18.000 You know, it's not often that the entire medical and public health community is going to be in lockstep on something, but they're pretty close on this in terms of their significant concerns, horror even.

00:21:30.000 Somebody said to me today, I can't think of any single individual who'd be more damaging to public health than RFK. Keep in mind, I think if the reporting's correct and the job is the Secretary of Health and Human Services, that comprises the CDC. We just got through this pandemic, comprises the FDA, comprises the NIH. He's talked about wanting to basically strip funding for infectious diseases overall.

00:21:56.000 Again, just coming out of this pandemic with concerns about other viruses and things out there.

00:22:01.000 So again, the sort of doctrinaire approach is wrong.

00:22:05.000 It doesn't mean that everything that RFK Jr.

00:22:08.000 says is stuff that I agree with.

00:22:10.000 For example, I don't think that there's evidence linking vaccines to autism.

00:22:13.000 In fact, the studies that have been out there are completely evidence-free with regard to that link.

00:22:20.000 Now, does that mean there shouldn't be studies done?

00:22:22.000 Sure.

00:22:23.000 I mean, open the floodgates on studies.

00:22:25.000 Open the floodgates.

00:22:26.000 Let's investigate all of it, even if I disagree.

00:22:29.000 And by the way, I think that when it comes to the data, the data are going to be what the data are.

00:22:34.000 I believe in the data when the data are well done.

00:22:37.000 I think the problem that RFK Jr.

00:22:38.000 has, and I think he's right, is that very often the data are not well done.

00:22:42.000 Very often you're p-hacking, you're cooking the data.

00:22:44.000 There are massive institutional problems inside science.

00:22:47.000 If you don't like RFK Jr.

00:22:48.000 handling it, that's your fault.

00:22:49.000 You guys decided that you were going to pervert all the institutions of science and then claim in the name of science that you were unquestionable.

00:22:57.000 Unquestionable.

00:22:57.000 The reaction is going to be RFK Jr.

00:23:00.000 More big announcements from President Trump coming up.

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00:25:08.000 That was not the only big announcement by President Trump yesterday.

00:25:11.000 Yesterday, President Trump was at Mar-a-Lago.

00:25:14.000 He was introduced by Sylvester Stallone, which is just, as the entertainment value of this administration is going to be like through the roof.

00:25:20.000 Here is Sylvester Stallone introducing President Trump.

00:25:23.000 This is at an event for the America First Policy Institute, which is sort of the think tank that is very much associated with the Trump administration.

00:25:32.000 And I'll just say this, and I mean it.

00:25:36.000 When George Washington defended his country, he had no idea that he was going to change the world.

00:25:44.000 Because without him, you could imagine what the world would look like.

00:25:47.000 Guess what?

00:25:48.000 We got the second George Washington.

00:25:50.000 Congratulations!

00:25:53.000 So there's Rocky introducing President Trump.

00:25:55.000 President Trump then gets up and he announces that Doug Burgum, the governor of North Dakota, will be his nominee for Secretary of the Interior.

00:26:03.000 We have a big announcement, and I won't tell you the name of his exact name.

00:26:09.000 I think he's an incredible person.

00:26:11.000 He's got an unbelievably wonderful wife named Catherine.

00:26:15.000 So I won't tell you his name.

00:26:17.000 Might be something like Burgum.

00:26:20.000 He's from North Dakota.

00:26:21.000 He's going to be announced tomorrow for a very big position.

00:26:24.000 So everybody's waiting.

00:26:26.000 There he is.

00:26:26.000 Hi, Doug.

00:26:29.000 He's going to be...

00:26:32.000 Announced tomorrow, and we have somebody else that's probably coming up with him to be announced, who's a big one.

00:26:37.000 And we're going to do things with energy and with land, interior, that is going to be incredible.

00:26:43.000 And so I look forward to doing the formal announcement, although this is a pretty big announcement right now.

00:26:50.000 Actually, he's going to head the Department of Interior, and he's going to be fantastic.

00:26:55.000 Good luck.

00:26:58.000 Congratulations, Catherine.

00:27:01.000 But we'll make the formal announcement tomorrow.

00:27:04.000 So again, Burgum for Secretary of the Interior makes all the sense in the world.

00:27:08.000 And he is from an area that does have an enormous amount of land that is protected by the federal government.

00:27:13.000 Secretary of the Interior basically oversees national parks as well as drilling.

00:27:17.000 So Secretary of the Interior does have a relationship with a lot of the oil companies.

00:27:22.000 He has, of course, been a person who's very involved in the energy sector.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, as governor of North Dakota, so Burgum is a great and sort of conventional pick.

00:27:30.000 So you're getting, you know, some great conventional picks, and then you're getting some unconventional picks.

00:27:33.000 And the pushback on some of the unconventional picks is pretty wild.

00:27:38.000 The pushback on Pete Hegseth particularly over Department of Defense, President Trump's Department of Defense nominee, who I think will be excellent.

00:27:44.000 It's wildly over the top.

00:27:46.000 Like, really over the top.

00:27:47.000 Take, for example, MSNBC commentator and former NAACP president Sherilyn Ifill.

00:27:52.000 She was on MSNBC last night, and they are just throwing out the playbook.

00:27:56.000 Whatever is the playbook, they're just going right to it.

00:27:58.000 It's amazing. 0.95

00:27:59.000 So she says that Pete Hegseth is a white supremacist.

00:28:03.000 Zero evidence of this.

00:28:04.000 Honest to God, he just sued her for defamation.

00:28:07.000 The Secretary of Defense nominee, Peter Hegseth, the Fox News commentator as well, because this is someone who we can host.

00:28:16.000 Important distinction.

00:28:17.000 This is someone who, you know, is known to be a white supremacist, known to be an extremist, whose platform, whose book is basically about his opposition to the advancement of black officers to the top brass. 1.00

00:28:32.000 What a jerk. 1.00

00:28:33.000 I mean, honestly, just nasty and untrue. 1.00

00:28:36.000 I mean, false.

00:28:37.000 I'm sorry, opposing diversity, equity and inclusion nonsense.

00:28:41.000 Which, by the way, is counterproductive in terms of racial comedy.

00:28:43.000 That is not racism.

00:28:45.000 That is not white supremacy.

00:28:47.000 If this is the best you got, he's going to get confirmed.

00:28:49.000 Meanwhile, you have Representative Steve Cohen from Tennessee saying that Pete Hegseth's main qualification is Fox News, which is weird since he is an Army National Guard major with two Bronze Stars who served in Afghanistan and Iraq and has a degree from Harvard and another degree from Princeton.

00:29:09.000 So yeah, I'm going to go no on that, Steve.

00:29:12.000 And the suggestion that the Department of Defense should be led by the host of Fox and Friends on weekends as his main contribution to society is scary to our soldiers who need the best and brightest at the helm.

00:29:26.000 Again, like, this is the best you got?

00:29:28.000 Truly?

00:29:29.000 So, Senator from Illinois, Tammy Duckworth.

00:29:31.000 Who is a retired Army National Guard Lieutenant Colonel.

00:29:35.000 She's very upset that Pete Hegseth said that women should not serve in frontline combat positions.

00:29:38.000 She's upset apparently because she says that that makes him unqualified because she was wounded in combat.

00:29:45.000 This idea that you can exclude women from combat is really one that shows his lack of experience and really, you know, him being unqualified to be the Secretary of Defense because it's not where modern warfare is.

00:29:57.000 Well, I mean, it absolutely is where modern warfare is.

00:30:00.000 He said frontline combat positions and the fact that you were wounded in the line of duty, that's heroic and amazing.

00:30:05.000 And honestly, hats off to you, all honors appropriate.

00:30:09.000 That doesn't change what the rules should be about whether women should be in frontline combat positions. 1.00

00:30:15.000 Given the fact that men, on average, and at the extremes, have physical advantages over women.

00:30:21.000 That's just the reality of the world.

00:30:23.000 Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren was attacking Pete Hegseth, saying he was unqualified. 0.95

00:30:27.000 Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma says, why would we possibly listen to Chief Wiggum over here?

00:30:35.000 For Elizabeth Warren to say that someone's not qualified when she was claiming to be Cherokee for the majority of her life, which I am Cherokee, which is a direct insult, carries no weight with me.

00:30:44.000 Peter served for 20 years in the United States Army.

00:30:48.000 He was a decorative combat veteran with two bronze stars, and he's a civilian.

00:30:53.000 People forget that the Secretary of Defense is supposed to be a civilian.

00:30:57.000 That's for a particular reason.

00:30:59.000 So he knows how to carry a message.

00:31:01.000 He knows how the military works.

00:31:03.000 And he's truly a civilian.

00:31:04.000 He's not a general that's just going to be looking over at other generals' shoulders.

00:31:08.000 He's somebody that's going to go up there and actually look at things from an other perspective.

00:31:12.000 And the DOD needs to be looked at differently.

00:31:16.000 Again, he's right about all that.

00:31:19.000 Even the ex-Obama DHS Chief Jay Johnson is defending Pete Hegseth on CNN. I've given the benefit of the doubt on at least the nomination at this point, because here's somebody who is well-educated, obviously intelligent, was in financial services, was in the Wall Street community for a while, could have made a lot of money, and chose to leave that, put on the uniform of our country, and seek combat.

00:31:47.000 So I give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason.

00:31:52.000 Okay, so again, I think that's the proper approach.

00:31:56.000 My belief at this point is that Hegseth will get confirmed, RFK Jr., and we'll see what the confirmation fight looks like.

00:32:01.000 I think there's some outstanding issues for pro-lifers, particularly, about RFK Jr., because obviously he's very pro-choice, and HHS does have some ability to shape exactly, for example, religious mandates.

00:32:12.000 So we'll see how that plays out in the hearings.

00:32:15.000 Then there's Matt Gaetz.

00:32:16.000 So Matt Gaetz is obviously the most controversial of President Trump's picks.

00:32:20.000 The justification for Matt Gaetz was basically made by J.D. Vance, the vice president-elect.

00:32:27.000 He said the main issue with Matt Gaetz is that he used his office to prosecute his political opponents and authorized federal agents to harass parents who are peacefully protesting at school board meetings.

00:32:34.000 Oh wait, that's actually Merrick Garland, the current attorney general.

00:32:37.000 Okay, so, you don't have to make the argument with me that Merrick Garland is an awful attorney general.

00:32:40.000 I think Merrick Garland is one of the worst attorney generals in American history. 0.94

00:32:44.000 He's awful. 0.95

00:32:45.000 Truly, truly awful. 0.94

00:32:46.000 We've had a bunch of bad ones, ranging from Janet Reno to Eric Holder.

00:32:51.000 That does not answer why Matt Gaetz should be the guy.

00:32:55.000 Because let's be real about this.

00:32:56.000 Donald Trump can find a bevy of excellent lawyers who are capable of doing exactly what he wants them to do as AG who don't have the excessive amount of baggage that Matt Gaetz has.

00:33:06.000 And Matt Gaetz has tons of baggage.

00:33:08.000 There's a reason he's wildly unpopular in the House.

00:33:11.000 There's also a reason that, you know, there's some skittishness about sort of his own personal record.

00:33:17.000 So, for example, Professor Robert George.

00:33:19.000 There is no one in the country in academia who is more conservative than Professor George.

00:33:23.000 Okay, Robert George, the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions, he also happens to be on the board of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.

00:33:32.000 And they wrote to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying, quote, as an elected member of Congress, Mr. Gates admitted to attending sex parties.

00:33:39.000 These parties reportedly included young women, some allegedly minors, who were paid to participate in sex acts. 0.93

00:33:44.000 It is further alleged that Mr. Gates did not merely attend these events, but actively participated.

00:33:48.000 Evidence suggests he sent payments through Venmo and Cash App to an associate, who then transferred funds to the women, labeling payments as tuition.

00:33:55.000 Gates' team argued the prostitution fell outside U.S. jurisdiction because it took place on yachts in international waters, an excuse that does not stand up to moral and perhaps legal scrutiny.

00:34:05.000 Robert George says, NCOSE works tirelessly to protect women and children from trafficking and other forms of sexual exploitation.

00:34:12.000 My fellow board members are politically left, right, and center.

00:34:15.000 We are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.

00:34:17.000 We are asking the Senate to withhold confirmation hearings from Mr.

00:34:19.000 Gates until a full and transparent investigation is conducted into his possible role in the exploitation of young women and girls at the sex parties he has admitted to attending.

00:34:28.000 So, again, we'll have to see exactly how all of that plays out.

00:34:34.000 These are not, in fact, unserious concerns.

00:34:38.000 There was one of the reasons that Matt Gaetz supposedly stepped down from his position in Congress immediately.

00:34:44.000 He was nominated, he immediately stepped down.

00:34:45.000 That's rare.

00:34:46.000 Usually if you're nominated, you wait until the outcome of your actual hearing and you take the position and then you resign your seat.

00:34:52.000 Matt Gaetz said that the reason he was doing that was to accelerate the Republican race that would take place in his old district so Republicans would still have a majority in the House.

00:35:01.000 The problem with that, of course, is that it's not going to take, as originally suspected, six to eight weeks to run a special election in his seat.

00:35:08.000 Because of mail-in balloting, it's going to take full-on half a year.

00:35:12.000 So that reason doesn't seem to pass scrutiny.

00:35:14.000 The other sort of suggested reason is because there was a House ethics report that was going to drop on him on Friday.

00:35:19.000 And so he resigned to sort of quash the House ethics report because the House typically does not release ethics reports until if somebody has dropped out of Congress.

00:35:28.000 If you're out, they're not going to just drop a report on you.

00:35:32.000 However, because he's a nominee, now there's a big call for that House ethics report to be released, so we actually have full information about Matt Gaetz for his confirmation hearings.

00:35:39.000 Here's John Cornyn, senator from Texas, saying that he thinks the House GOP should release the ethics report.

00:35:44.000 I think there should not be any limitation on the Senate Judiciary Committee's investigation, including whatever the House Ethics Committee has generated.

00:35:53.000 So you want to see it?

00:35:54.000 Absolutely.

00:35:55.000 Now again, I think that President Trump can nominate a bevy of people who are not Matt Gaetz and don't have this baggage to do exactly the same thing.

00:36:01.000 And so, you know, I do wonder whether, again, I think that it is perfectly true that Merrick Garland is an awful attorney general.

00:36:08.000 I don't understand why that means that the best form of the person you pick to actually undo all his damage has the most baggage.

00:36:14.000 That seems to me an error in judgment.

00:36:17.000 Now, maybe Matt Gaetz gets through.

00:36:19.000 Maybe it turns out all the allegations are false.

00:36:20.000 Maybe he's a great AG. I don't know.

00:36:22.000 What I am saying is that that's a risky pick, and he's going to have to go through the gauntlet in the Senate at the very, very least.

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00:38:10.000 Meanwhile, Democrats, you know, it turns out they were lying when they said that they were afraid of a Donald Trump dictatorship.

00:38:13.000 It turns out that that's nonsense.

00:38:14.000 So here is Charlemagne the God saying, you know, I noticed that you guys were calling him a fascist five seconds ago and then you stopped.

00:38:20.000 So what happened?

00:38:22.000 I just don't understand the White House visit.

00:38:24.000 Now granted, you know, I'm glad it's a peaceful transition of power, but what happened to the threat of democracy talk?

00:38:29.000 What happened to the fascist talk?

00:38:31.000 By the way, I know I've said those things about Trump as well, but I'm not talking about me.

00:38:35.000 I'm talking about his political opponents like President Biden.

00:38:38.000 When they say it, it holds way more weight than me.

00:38:41.000 I'm just trying to figure out how do you go from he's an essential threat to democracy to welcome back.

00:38:46.000 He was happy too.

00:38:47.000 He was happy.

00:38:48.000 He was smiling.

00:38:49.000 He was grinning.

00:38:50.000 He was cheesing.

00:38:51.000 Say cheese.

00:38:51.000 He was cheesing.

00:38:52.000 I'm just trying to figure out how. 1.00

00:38:54.000 I understand President Biden believes in political norms, but damn. 0.99

00:38:58.000 That man is happy as hell to leave. 1.00

00:39:00.000 He don't care.

00:39:00.000 He want to go.

00:39:03.000 I'm sorry that it turns out that all of the propaganda being spewed by the Democratic networks was untrue.

00:39:08.000 Karine Jean-Pierre was asked about that.

00:39:10.000 She was asked whether Joe Biden apologized to Trump for calling him a threat to democracy.

00:39:13.000 She's like, no, no.

00:39:15.000 I'm going to be so glad when she's gone because, boy, is she terrible.

00:39:18.000 In the meeting, we saw a unified front related to a transition in the Oval Office meeting.

00:39:24.000 But a lot was said on the campaign trail, like Trump is a dangerous threat to our country and our democracy.

00:39:29.000 Was there an apology today?

00:39:32.000 I'm sorry?

00:39:32.000 Was there an apology from President Biden for some of the words used?

00:39:37.000 An apology from President Biden.

00:39:39.000 To President-elect Trump for some of the words that was used on the campaign trail.

00:39:42.000 Look...

00:39:44.000 And I've answered this a couple of times about a threat to democracy in the past week.

00:39:50.000 The President is going to always feel obligated to be honest with the American people.

00:39:56.000 What we want to be also very clear about is the importance of listening to the will of the American people.

00:40:05.000 There was an election.

00:40:07.000 It is important to respect our institution.

00:40:09.000 It is important to respect the free and fair elections.

00:40:12.000 And that's what this president is doing.

00:40:16.000 Leading by example and putting that aside and putting the American people first.

00:40:22.000 But what he said still stands.

00:40:25.000 And it's not just him.

00:40:26.000 We should not just put this at the president.

00:40:31.000 His own people said this.

00:40:33.000 So I want to be really, really clear about that and not forget the facts.

00:40:37.000 There are facts here that we should certainly also lift up as you're asking me these questions.

00:40:42.000 So I think that the betrayal of Joe Biden's words are evident in his behavior.

00:40:50.000 And so obviously he didn't mean what he said because that's not the way he's acting right now.

00:40:54.000 Meanwhile, nature is healing.

00:40:55.000 Joy Reid is leaving X. How sad.

00:40:58.000 I mean, it'll be such a...

00:40:59.000 The average IQ on X just increased by about 10 points.

00:41:02.000 Here's Joy Reid.

00:41:04.000 Hey guys, so today I finally did something I've been meaning to do for a while.

00:41:10.000 And shows that she deactivated her account on X. And the reason for doing it and kissing goodbye my 1.9 million followers over there is because I hadn't been posting for a long time.

00:41:24.000 I just didn't want to contribute content once it was purchased by its present owner.

00:41:29.000 But just having it there, I was only holding on to it.

00:41:34.000 Because I, you know, really didn't want someone trying to take over that name and using it for nefarious purposes.

00:41:40.000 I was a little bit worried about that.

00:41:43.000 And also every so often I would use it to just like sort of look at news that was trending and what's happening and I would just sort of use it as like an aggregator.

00:41:50.000 But I just realized that's not really worth it.

00:41:52.000 Because in order to like do the news aggregation and just look at all, you have to wade through a lot of dreck and a lot of just abuse and a lot of just negativity and it's just not worth it.

00:42:02.000 Oh well, you know, I'm so sad to see you go.

00:42:05.000 Bye, Will.

00:42:07.000 Bye.

00:42:08.000 Meanwhile, Eva Longoria is apparently leaving the United States as well.

00:42:12.000 She says she's moving out of the dystopian United States for a brighter life in Mexico and Spain.

00:42:16.000 I hope you enjoy the tax rates over there, lady.

00:42:18.000 That's probably gonna be great.

00:42:20.000 So, you know...

00:42:22.000 Catch you later.

00:42:23.000 Oh no.

00:42:24.000 What are we going to do without Eva Longoria in the United States? 0.96

00:42:27.000 Oh no.

00:42:27.000 Meanwhile, Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, causing massive consternation, has now removed the she-her pronouns from her public profile, which is hilarious.

00:42:39.000 Oh man.

00:42:40.000 So it's fun to watch as reality sets in and they realize on the Democratic side of the aisle that all of their crazy is actually quite alienating for the vast majority of Americans.

00:42:50.000 Some Democrats like Ezra Klein are beginning to admit the obvious, which is that, you know, blaming Fox News and quote-unquote misinformation ain't gonna fix anything.

00:42:58.000 The thing that surprised me least about the election was the sharp red shift in these big cities.

00:43:04.000 Because if you just talk to anybody who lives in them, they are furious.

00:43:07.000 And this idea that like, oh no, the economy is actually good or crime is actually down.

00:43:11.000 This is all just Fox News. 0.99

00:43:13.000 Like, shut the f*** up with that. 0.99

00:43:15.000 Like, talk to some people who live near you. 0.99

00:43:17.000 He is correct.

00:43:19.000 He is correct.

00:43:19.000 So maybe Democrats are going to approach sanity again.

00:43:22.000 Or maybe they won't.

00:43:23.000 Hey folks, I do want to do something we haven't done in a while here.

00:43:26.000 Just because...

00:43:27.000 When an extraordinary thing happens in public life, I think that we have to point it out.

00:43:30.000 I haven't done a thing I like on this show for months, maybe years at this point.

00:43:34.000 We used to have a segment on the show, we'll probably bring it back, called Things I Like, which is kind of where we just do a fun thing near the end of the show.

00:43:40.000 This clip is one of my favorite clips of all time.

00:43:43.000 So Mike Tyson was about to fight Jake Paul in another one of these sort of made-for-TV gonzo matches because Mike Tyson is 58 years old and Jake Paul is 27 years old.

00:43:55.000 But Mike Tyson, for a 58-year-old, is still in crazy shape.

00:43:57.000 He wouldn't want to fight him.

00:43:58.000 In any case, he was doing an interview with a 12-year-old influencer, and she asked him about legacy.

00:44:04.000 And I gotta say, this is pretty spectacular, and I think we all just ought to take a moment and enjoy it together.

00:44:11.000 Well, in your return to the ring for this fight, you are setting a monumental opportunity for kids my age to see the legend Mike Tyson in the ring for the first time.

00:44:20.000 What type of legacy would you like to leave behind when it's all said and done?

00:44:24.000 I don't know.

00:44:25.000 I don't believe in the word legacy.

00:44:26.000 I think that's another word for ego.

00:44:28.000 That's just some word everybody grabbed onto.

00:44:30.000 Now it's used every five seconds.

00:44:32.000 It means absolutely nothing to me.

00:44:34.000 I'm just passing through.

00:44:35.000 I'm going to die and it's going to be over.

00:44:38.000 Who cares about legacy after that? 0.95

00:44:41.000 What a big ego.

00:44:42.000 So I'm going to die.

00:44:43.000 I want people to think that I'm this. 0.84

00:44:44.000 I'm great.

00:44:45.000 No, we're nothing.

00:44:46.000 We're just dead.

00:44:47.000 We're dust.

00:44:48.000 We're absolutely nothing.

00:44:50.000 Our legacy is nothing.

00:44:53.000 Well, thank you so much for sharing that.

00:44:55.000 That is something that I have not heard before, someone say that as an answer.

00:44:59.000 Can you really imagine somebody saying, I want my legacy to be this way when I... You're dead.

00:45:03.000 You think somebody really wants to think about you?

00:45:05.000 I want people to think about me when I'm gone.

00:45:07.000 Who the f*** cares about me when I'm gone?

00:45:10.000 And I love the hopeful 12-year-old just having her dreams crushed.

00:45:14.000 And that's why I'm quoting you, Ecclesiastes.

00:45:16.000 Ecclesiastes 3.20.

00:45:18.000 Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

00:45:20.000 For everything in life, there's a time.

00:45:22.000 Everything in life, there's a season.

00:45:24.000 For living, for dying.

00:45:25.000 We don't mean nothing.

00:45:26.000 We're all gonna die someday anyway.

00:45:28.000 Sun's gonna explode. 0.52

00:45:30.000 Eat all the planets.

00:45:31.000 Ain't nobody gonna be around to remember you then.

00:45:33.000 I'm just explaining to you something.

00:45:35.000 If you ever read some Marcus Aurelius.

00:45:38.000 And let me tell you about the Stoics.

00:45:40.000 Let me tell you about the Roman Stoics. 0.86

00:45:41.000 Because let me explain.

00:45:44.000 Love it.

00:45:45.000 Love it!

00:45:46.000 More of this.

00:45:47.000 Mike Tyson on Philosophy, I would listen to that show every day.

00:45:50.000 That'd be amazing.

00:45:51.000 I'm going to explain to you about a little bit of Augustine and what he was saying about the city of God.

00:45:58.000 I want it.

00:45:59.000 I want it.

00:46:00.000 I want him on Sartre.

00:46:02.000 Essentialism.

00:46:02.000 Let me tell you about existentialism.

00:46:04.000 The idea that you don't mean nothing.

00:46:06.000 Except you're walking around a cold, empty universe on a rock.

00:46:10.000 On a godforsaken rock.

00:46:11.000 And all you got is your will and how you react to that.

00:46:14.000 That's life, man.

00:46:15.000 And then you die.

00:46:16.000 And don't mean nothing.

00:46:19.000 I'm pitching this show for Daily Wire Plus.

00:46:20.000 I am.

00:46:21.000 Mike Tyson on Philosophy.

00:46:22.000 10 out of 10.

00:46:23.000 Love it.

00:46:24.000 Already coming up.

00:46:25.000 An actual serious topic.

00:46:27.000 Brandon Carr, commissioner at the FCC, is unleashing hell on the GARM network.

00:46:32.000 You remember them?

00:46:33.000 He's releasing it on NewsGuard, on all the censorship gatekeepers trying to deprive anybody on the right side of the aisle from receiving any sort of ad dollars.

00:46:40.000 If you're not a member, become a member.

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