John Boyd is no question one of the most iconic actors of all time. He s starred in movies like Mission Impossible, Heat, Deliverance, Coming Home, and Midnight Cowboy. And he happens to be one the most outspoken conservatives and Trump supporters in all of the entertainment industry. But that wasn t always the case. As he was finding prominence in the late 60s and early 70s, John found himself echoing the beliefs held by the majority of the liberal Hollywood circle. In particular, he was actively marching and speaking out against the Vietnam War as a young man with newfound clout. But something changed as John began to see the Marxist intentions behind the anti-war activism. In our show, we ll get into how, in 2020, we re living through another Marxist movement infiltrating American thought and society, one very similar to what John experienced firsthand in the 70s. Plus, John tells us about his big break that launched him into the Hollywood limelight, his advice for conservatives trying to make it in Tinseltown, and his thoughts on the new WOKE Academy Award stipulations. Plus, he gives us his advice to conservatives in Hollywood trying to get a shot at the big chair in Hollywood. Today s guest: John Voigt. John Boyd is a four-time Oscar nominee, an 11-time Golden Globe winner, and an outspoken conservative. He s been in Hollywood for decades. and he s been a supporter of Donald Trump. since the early days of the Trump campaign. And he s also been a frequent guest on conservative talk radio host and radio host on conservative radio host Joe Rogan's Sirius XM Radio's Morning Drive. If you like what he s about, you ll want to become a member of Dailywire. Subscribe to Dailywire and get access to access to all the latest news and access to the latest happenings in the world of politics, culture, and culture, including John s thoughts on what s going on in today s political world. Dailywire s newest podcast, Dailywire, wherever you get your most authentic thoughts and opinions on it s going to be the most authentic version of it. The Dailywire is your guide to the most influential voices in the business and most influential podcast on the political and business The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. Get all the inside scoop on everything you need to know about politics, business, entertainment, culture and everything else going on around it! Subscribe now!
00:00:12.000Because they showed me what communism was.
00:00:16.000The winner is... John Boyd in Coming Home!
00:00:21.000Four-time Oscar nominee, winner of one of those, 11-time Golden Globe nominee with four wins, star of Mission Impossible, Heat, Deliverance, Coming Home, Midnight Cowboy, and so many other classic movies, John Boyd is no question one of the Hollywood greats.
00:00:37.000An iconic actor, wide acclaimed, tons of memorable characters.
00:00:41.000And he happens to be one of the most outspoken conservatives and Trump supporters in all of the entertainment industry.
00:00:48.000As he was finding prominence in movies in the late 60s and early 70s, John found himself echoing the beliefs held by the majority of the liberal Hollywood circle.
00:00:56.000In particular, he was actively marching and speaking out against the Vietnam War as a young man with newfound clout.
00:01:02.000That's a message nearly anybody could get behind.
00:01:05.000But something changed as John began to see the Marxist intentions behind the anti-war activism.
00:01:09.000John began to realize he didn't stand for the things Hollywood was, by and large, selling.
00:01:14.000In our show, we'll get into how, in 2020, we're living through another Marxist movement infiltrating American thought and society, one very similar to what John experienced firsthand in the 70s.
00:01:23.000Plus, John tells us about his big break that launched him into the Hollywood limelight, his advice for conservatives trying to make it in Tinseltown, and his thoughts on the new WOKE Academy Award stipulations.
00:02:50.000Whereas I'm a terrible, terrible actor.
00:02:54.000So for me, I act like a squirrel on Ritalin.
00:02:56.000In any case, let's talk about how you got into acting in the first place, because everybody sort of has a different story as to how they got into that particular area of the industry.
00:03:46.000And when I was six, I retired from painting and drawing because I realized this new media made my stuff, two-dimensional art, obsolete in my mind, right?
00:04:01.000And I really, when I say retired, I had the sadness of it, you know?
00:04:09.000And I kept drawing and doing things for people's favors and stuff for school and all of that, but I'd lost my real connection.
00:04:19.000And I didn't think that I would ever be part of this world of film.
00:04:26.000But I was a fun kid, you know, I was playful, liked making people laugh, and I followed my dad's lead.
00:04:33.000He was a golf professional, and he loved, he had a wonderful sense of humor, and he loved Sid Caesar.
00:04:43.000You know, different things that he focused on, and I fell in love with Sid Caesar's work, and Imogen Koch, and you know, Carl Reiner, and those guys.
00:04:53.000And I used to imitate Sid's characters at school.
00:05:22.000I loved all athletics, and I loved horsing around, and I had a lot of fun, you know?
00:05:27.000And I didn't take anything too seriously.
00:05:30.000Then in high school again, and then in college.
00:05:35.000Every year of college, the first three years of college, I was always asking mostly gals What do you think I should do when I get out of college?
00:05:45.000And in college I was very active in, I was taking art because I knew I could get through it and I was the president of the class, president of the fraternity, very active writing things for the newspaper.
00:06:02.000I was walking through campus when I came back just before my senior year and I looked at the book that I had in my hand and it was a book of criticism of acting of the British actors, the great British actors, by Kenneth Tynan.
00:06:20.000And there's all these reviews and I had marked all of Laurence Olivier's Heroic roles.
00:06:30.000And Kenneth Tyner loved him so he was very romantic about Laurence Olivier and described everything that he did.
00:06:35.000And I understood what Olivier was doing in creating those roles, how he illuminated things in the story by the way he chose to do the roles, the character acting.
00:06:48.000And I looked at it and I said to myself, and I actually said it I think even verbally, I said, I know what I want to do.
00:07:11.000And I knew I wasn't going to be mature for a while to do certain kinds of roles.
00:07:17.000But from that moment I knew I was going to go to New York and start school all over again trying to learn a few things and get into acting.
00:07:25.000And I knew at that moment that I wasn't going to quit.
00:07:29.000It's funny things that you remember, you know?
00:07:32.000And sure enough I had my ups and downs but I was very fortunate to have the career I have.
00:07:39.000So I want to ask you how the big break happened where you went from being a guy in college who wanted to act to, you know, being an Oscar winner and multiple Oscar nominee and all of this.
00:07:47.000I'm going to ask you about that in just one second.
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00:09:11.000Okay, so you decide that acting is what you want to do and you go to New York.
00:09:15.000A lot of people end up going to New York thinking that this is what they're going to do and then, you know, washing dishes three years later.
00:09:20.000So how does the big break happen where you don't end up washing dishes in New York?
00:09:24.000Well, I did a little stuff to earn a living, you know, trying to help my dad out.
00:09:46.000I was very unsure because I had gone to a rather bad teacher prior, who was full of himself and didn't really know what he was talking about.
00:10:00.000But, you know, teachers have so much control over their students.
00:10:04.000And, you know, you're glued to every word.
00:10:07.000And then I realized this guy wasn't taking me anywhere.
00:10:10.000And I found my way to Sandy Meisner, and Sandy gave me a structure that I really deeply needed.
00:10:15.000And I spent two years going to every class, twice a week.
00:10:21.000And at the end of that time I came out thinking, look, now I have to go to work here.
00:10:28.000And I was doing other jobs and stuff, but I always found a way to get to class.
00:10:33.000And then I was very fortunate to get a part in A View from the Bridge with Bobby Duvall as the lead.
00:10:41.000And it was an Arthur Miller play, a great Arthur Miller play.
00:10:44.000And I was very celebrated in that part of Rodolfo in A View from the Bridge.
00:10:52.000And I felt, okay, yeah, I can do dramatic acting.
00:11:24.000And his work in The Graduate, his success, his celebrity made it possible to make Midnight Cowboy and eventually after screen test and stuff like that I was able to get that role and that was the beginning.
00:11:41.000And I worked with all, I never, one moment of it Uh, was unappreciative of the break that I had been given and the wonderful circumstance of working with these very, very talented people.
00:11:56.000And Dustin, of course, was at the top of the list, too.
00:11:58.000So, actors prepare for parts in different ways, obviously.
00:12:01.000What's the way that you prepare for a part?
00:12:02.000You get a script, you've decided you want to do it.
00:12:04.000Now, how do you prepare to get another part?
00:12:30.000And it's hard for me to learn words easily.
00:12:36.000I have to get into the character somehow.
00:12:39.000I have to believe in it a little bit, you know?
00:12:41.000And I find that going over the words and testing the words and improvising and playing, that's how I get to the part.
00:12:52.000And if I had a photographic memory, as many do, I probably would miss out on a lot of insights on my way to performing the role.
00:13:02.000So it gives me time to marinate and digest and then produce whatever I have done.
00:13:08.000How much of it is spontaneous and how much of it is prepared?
00:13:10.000I've always wondered this when you watch somebody on film.
00:13:14.000It's all prepared in some way, but the real, really wonderful performances, the great performances, in my estimation, come from people who have that danger.
00:13:29.000They're doing it for the first time in some way, they're improvising something, you see?
00:13:34.000So, when I go on a set, I try to say, I have a little phrase that I use actually, and I I'm just there.
00:13:46.000It's almost a challenge to see if I'll do anything.
00:14:40.000But finally, that little edge that you have when you're really listening and really at risk in a sequence, that's when the best acting comes.
00:14:49.000So the parts you've played are incredibly diverse.
00:14:51.000I mean, you've played everything from hero to villain and everything in between.
00:14:54.000So what are the favorite parts that you've played?
00:14:56.000What's your favorite stuff you've done?
00:14:57.000Well, I think that all the ones that are successful are dear to me, really.
00:15:05.000Midnight Cowboy, that character, that came a long way.
00:15:08.000I mean, that was very, very interesting.
00:15:10.000I got that part because I had an insight into that role by the time I did the screen test, because I'd read the book and I'd thought about it a lot.
00:15:18.000And I got the role because I was talking to John Schlesinger.
00:15:21.000He said, oh, John, well, you're an interesting young man, and I'll tell you what we're going to do.
00:15:55.000Because I knew that if someone took that character and had any vanity associated with the role, if they wanted to be cool, let's say, at that time, you see this is the end of the 60s, they wanted to be attractive, you know, lose the part.
00:16:18.000I said, this fellow is lonely, he's so insecure, he doesn't know Who he is exactly.
00:16:27.000And he's trying to find a place for himself in society.
00:16:31.000And he's trying to, you know, what people have told him about him, you know, I'm a really good lover and, you know, all that stuff.
00:18:50.000remember it. So, so anyway, that's how it happened for me.
00:18:54.000You've worked with some of the biggest actors in Hollywood because you are one of the biggest actors in Hollywood. So who are your favorites to work with on a personal level?
00:18:59.000Well, obviously, the story with Dusty, he was a joy to work with. We had a lot of fun. We improvised all the time. We improvised a lot of stuff in the film. We were on the same level We know how to feed each other.
00:19:25.000And I've been very fortunate because I've had chemistry with a lot of wonderful people.
00:19:31.000So if I go through the list of the things that I've done, I have to say, Thank God that actor was there, you know, like Burt Reynolds in DELIVERANCE or Jane Fondon in COMING HOME, Ricky Schroeder in THE CHAMP and Eric Roberts in RUNAWAY TRAIN.
00:19:52.000Those are the early ones and then later on I worked with great people like Shia LaBeouf in HOLES.
00:20:03.000J-Lo and Anaconda and stuff like that.
00:20:06.000But when they're right for a role, when someone's right, they have a certain energy.
00:20:30.000So I'm very grateful for the roles that I'm able to deliver and very grateful for those people who come and light it up so that I can do good work.
00:21:07.000Because if somebody's saying, well, this love is coming towards you, you'd take the role and do what you can with it to help them out and do this piece.
00:21:15.000And so I have a reputation of really taking a deep interest in the script.
00:21:38.000No, the ones that didn't work out so well, I don't really, they're like children, you know, you're rooting for all the children and you didn't quite make it or whatever, but not so many.
00:21:51.000And the ones that I was offered that I didn't do, I'll give you an example.
00:21:55.000I'll say, what would be a part that you don't think you're quite right for?
00:22:00.000They offered me Love Story and I said to them, when they offered it to me, I was, you know, one of the hot actors at the time and could get something done.
00:22:10.000And Ali McGraw was going to do it and I said, no, I can't take this role.
00:22:18.000They said, what you want is a simple, all-American guy, really decent, good guy and that's it, you know, and somebody who can deliver that.
00:26:24.000Now we're having problems with that today, as we know in our schools and stuff.
00:26:29.000You're not allowed to say this and that, do you see what I mean?
00:26:32.000You're not allowed to really express yourself without endangering yourself, do you see?
00:26:40.000And you know that very well, you know.
00:26:44.000Anyway, that's what was happening at that time in our society, and we were unaware of it.
00:26:50.000Because of the freedoms that we offered, people who were enemies of our country could find a way to the media, to Hollywood, to our universities.
00:29:46.000And I was very aware of the world cinema and all of that.
00:29:53.000And that was very romantic to me, all of it.
00:29:57.000But anyway, I was not paying a whole lot of attention to what really was coming down, and I didn't have the tools to understand it.
00:30:06.000And then, what happened to me was, end of the war, when we pulled out of Vietnam, two and a half million people were killed in Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam.
00:31:20.000And I remember Joan Baez had an article in the paper, took out one page of the paper to say what was going on in these countries and how much destruction and horror there was for these people and how no one was taken care of, no one cared.
00:31:46.000But it took me a long while, because propaganda, it's scientifically developed to infiltrate your psyche, and it's hard to get rid of it.
00:32:01.000Negativity has a special connection, magnetism.
00:32:06.000You know, as I said, if you say something negative, You know, it has a draw.
00:32:12.000That day that I read that paper and that day that I saw those statistics wasn't the end of it for me.
00:32:18.000I tried to, you know, to see where I'd gone wrong.
00:32:23.000And little by little, and with the help of many good people, I have to say, I came around to understanding.
00:32:31.000Now, what do I say about today to those guys today in Hollywood who are just like me, coming in, naive, who wanted their careers to, you know, they want that beautiful career, they want that golden statue, they want, you know, the celebrity that comes with it, they want the money.
00:32:49.000And they're getting a lot of money because they're very talented, you see?
00:33:50.000When people say, from Cuba, you want to know, if you guys want to know, I say that to you, if you guys want to know what's going on now and what the stakes are, talk to somebody who's from Cuba, from Poland, from these places where this horror has been inserted into their countries.
00:35:27.000I'm going to ask you about the blowback that you've gotten in Hollywood for all of this because Hollywood conservatives don't exactly have it easy in this particular town.
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00:36:40.000All right, so let's talk about your experiences in Hollywood as an out-and-out conservative.
00:36:45.000I wrote an entire book about how difficult it is to be conservative in Hollywood.
00:36:48.000I interviewed a bunch of people in Hollywood who basically admitted to discriminating against conservatives.
00:36:52.000Many top-name actors and directors and producers who said that they literally would not hire conservatives if they came across them, or that if their entire writing room was staffed by That's just because the most talented people, of course, are always on the left.
00:37:05.000So what sort of treatment have you gotten in Hollywood now that you are so overtly conservative and of course pro-President Trump as well?
00:37:12.000I know that I don't get certain work or attention because of who I am and what I stand for.
00:37:21.000But I think that it doesn't affect me at all.
00:37:28.000I mean, because if you know something is right, you know?
00:37:35.000And especially, I'm gonna say especially this for me, to be on the right side, to be for something that's good.
00:37:43.000Like, let's just say, to do something for other people.
00:37:47.000If somebody said, you gotta think of yourself, you can't do anything for other people.
00:38:31.000When people say, when they talk about a great person, I heard this just yesterday, they talk about the sculpture of a great person, what is the most important element of that description.
00:39:50.000Do you sort of keep it under the table?
00:39:52.000Well, right now we have an election coming up.
00:39:54.000out out and proud because and I'll be honest what I've said is that everybody I know in Hollywood who's very prominent became conservative after they were very prominent.
00:40:02.000I've yet to meet somebody who was openly conservative when they started in Hollywood.
00:40:05.000And then right now, right now we have an election coming up.
00:40:15.000Anybody who understands the value of this country and the battle that's going on to bring it down has to do whatever they can to contribute to Donald Trump's victory and to our country being able to Revive.
00:41:35.000Where do you think the future of the industry is, given how far left the industry itself is moving?
00:41:38.000We had this announcement in the past few weeks that the Academy Awards is now only going to be looking at staffing of particular films, certain percentages of black or gay or Hispanic or women, that the plotline has to revolve around one of these minority groups.
00:41:53.000One of these criteria has to be applied, which, you know, basically rules out nearly every Oscar winner between 1933 and effectively 2007.
00:41:58.000So... Well, we've gotten off Off a little bit, not a little bit, we've gotten off.
00:42:06.000And we think that we're doing something, these people think that they're doing something generous and kind.
00:42:14.000This racial disturbance that we're looking at was created.
00:42:19.000You know, if you look back at the, we mentioned the Frankfurt School.
00:42:27.000Some of the stuff that they talked about, gender stuff and stuff like that, it was inserted into this society to break the family, to break the churches, to destroy some of the fabric that keeps our country together.
00:42:42.000And that's what you're participating in.
00:42:44.000People say, what about Black Lives Matter, John?
00:42:48.000And I say, well, if you're teaching children that they are victims, I say it's child abuse.
00:43:00.000Every child can do their God's gift, pave the way for them to be their best selves.
00:43:11.000Don't tell them that they can't do this or can't do that.
00:43:15.000Every child is a powerhouse spiritually.
00:43:18.000Every human being potentially is a spiritual powerhouse.
00:43:35.000One of the things that's fascinating to watch is the devolution of Hollywood itself.
00:43:40.000So it used to be very centralized in LA, now you do production everywhere.
00:43:44.000And because of digital streaming, it's not even as though there's a lot of gatekeepers anymore.
00:43:48.000So are you hopeful that the kind of diffuse nature of Hollywood now, that you can produce a film in the middle of nowhere with a small budget, that this is going to break up a lot of the Hollywood monopoly and allow an opportunity for other kinds of content to flourish?
00:44:18.000So, yes, things are going to change, but there will always be artists that use this painting, this paint, you know, in some way to give us something.
00:44:28.000And they have to be sound of mind and heart.
00:46:00.000So in a second, I'm going to ask you about your really interesting relationship with Judaism, because you're not Jewish, but you have a really interesting relationship with the religion and with Chabad.
00:46:07.000I'm going to ask you about that in just one second.
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00:47:44.000I saw Ben Shapiro when he was a younger fellow, just out of school, and I immediately took to you.
00:47:51.000I said, oh my gosh, this is wonderful.
00:47:53.000Because I'm always looking for the righteous guys, you know?
00:47:56.000And I saw him, and then I saw, I remember when you, You took on UCLA when they were out of line when there was some anti-Semitic... The BDS stuff, yeah.
00:48:13.000That you were able to use your information, to glean this information, put it in the right order, and put it on the table, and back everybody off with the truth.
00:49:28.000The universities, and now right down to the kindergartens.
00:49:33.000They're being given the wrong information.
00:49:35.000You send your kid off to school and they come back your enemy.
00:49:38.000Very, you know, we need people to be able to change that so that children have a chance.
00:49:46.000But anyway, you guys going into the universities with the temper, the way it is now, and they're going to throw stuff at you and they're going to organize these primitive attacks.
00:49:58.000And all you've got is the righteous, your truths, and this great gift that you have.
00:50:10.000And lots and lots of law enforcement, exactly.
00:50:12.000But anyway, you're making statements because those statements are getting out, not only from that auditorium, but they're being carried around on YouTube and people are cherishing them and learning from them.
00:51:43.000But he used to be up there and I was down at the bottom and my other brother had his own bed because he was the eldest, Barry.
00:51:50.000And my dad would lie down in either one of these beds with one of us every night rotating and he would tell us stories off the top of his head.
00:51:58.000And they were always so wonderful stories and he had a great voice.
00:52:03.000We'd just listen to the timbre of his voice and be next to him and see his profile and hear his words in this room that was lighted from the crack in the door where the kitchen light came through.
00:53:36.000And I felt the influence of these people, the Jewish people, in this club all my life.
00:53:42.000I think his storytelling came from that.
00:53:45.000I think because his parents, his father was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia who never quite learned English, and so he couldn't have learned from my dad.
00:53:55.000So I felt so much of my dad's Righteousness and kindness and all of this stuff, and strength.
00:54:06.000It was tough when he saw things out of line, and he was always right.
00:54:12.000So he set the template for my life, and that was because of these members of the Jewish club.
00:54:19.000And I found out, and then I saw, many things happened to me.
00:54:22.000I remember when people talk about antisemitism, I knew what antisemitism was because I knew how crazy it was because these people were so terrific.
00:54:31.000And they were my dad's best friends, and they were very good to us as a family, the kids, the three of us.
00:54:39.000So anyway, I knew the falsity from an early age, and I was angry about it too, I mean, at different times.
00:54:47.000I saw the Life Magazine picture of a boy in striped pajamas behind barbed wire, and I And I felt at that time when I looked at that picture, I said, this could be me, you know.
00:55:01.000And so I had an empathy for and an understanding of the insanity of anti-Semitism right from the go.
00:55:13.000And for some reason, my friends, right from grammar school on up, were all Jewish people.
00:55:20.000I don't know, I was drawn to them in some way.
00:55:25.000And I was raised Catholic, and I have great regard for my Catholic teaching.
00:56:48.000They do a lot of good for people, regardless of race or creed, and they're a lot of fun, and we have a telethon, and this is how they raise the money to go for the year.
00:58:44.000Oh no, they literally just deploy people to random areas of the globe and then you're supposed to come up with the donations a lot of time just to sustain your family.
00:58:51.000It's a very simple lifestyle for sure.
00:59:27.000And then I spent a lot of time with him.
00:59:32.000And the younger group, his children, as they were growing,
00:59:37.000They would, we would see each other, and they would always say, John, you'd like this, because they knew I was interested in everything, and they would give me information about, I played Noah at one point, and one of the Chabad Rebbe's, Semachunin, one of the boys was going to school there, you know, in Australia, and he came by every once in a while, and he'd give me some help and insights into Noah,
01:00:07.000And they would always include me in everything, you see.
01:00:12.000And I got to know the rituals, the different celebrations and stuff.
01:00:16.000I was always very impressed with the With the shape of these rituals, what the meaning, the depth of meaning in all of these rituals.
01:00:27.000So anyway, I know quite a lot about the Jewish story from these Chabad people.
01:00:52.000And this Rebbi, this most recent Rebbi that they've had, was an extraordinary, genius fellow who not only was a scientist, He was many, many different areas.
01:01:12.000He spoke 14 languages, something like that.
01:01:26.000And not only all that, but he had this Idea and this vision of sending people all over the world, populating the world with goodness and light.
01:01:43.000And he sends them, and now we have 5,000, you know, and it's growing!
01:01:49.000And so, anyway, so I have a special place in my heart for these people, and so much so that when my partner, my business partner, Stephen Paul, from this little family, I said, John, JLTV, I want to do a program for JLTV.
01:02:09.000I said, why don't you do something on the Chabad?
01:02:11.000This is Jewish life television, right?
01:02:13.000I said, why don't you do something so people can have an insight into what they No, because I've been the beneficiary of so much mystical information, stuff from the Kabbalah.
01:02:26.000People talk about the Kabbalah, they don't know what they're talking about.
01:02:29.000The Kabbalah is real rich in understanding, and it all comes down to behavior.
01:02:34.000So, if you can do a show like that so that they're a lot of fun, they sing all the time.
01:02:41.000I mean, the Val Shem Tov said to the people who couldn't participate in all this rich legacy of the Talmud and all of this, he said, I'll give you a song.