The Ben Shapiro Show - Mamdani, AOC, and Bernie, OH MY

00:00:00.000 Alrighty, folks, tons coming up on today's show.

00:00:02.000 Zorn Mamdani in full color, showing just how radical he is.

00:00:05.000 We'll talk about the Democratic Party's extremism, Bernie and AOC to a joint appearance on CNN Plus.

00:00:11.000 Eric Trump stops by first.

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00:00:57.000 Well, folks, there's been a lot of talk about the right over the course of the last few days, the radicalism problem on the right.

00:01:03.000 And as we talked about on yesterday's show, that is a problem that exists.

00:01:06.000 However, is it nearly as mainstream as it is on the left?

00:01:10.000 Has it been imbibed?

00:01:11.000 Has it been ingested?

00:01:13.000 Has it been sucked into the great maw of the party and turned into the mainstream position on the right?

00:01:19.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:01:20.000 However, on the left, the answer is very much yes.

00:01:23.000 And herein lies the problem for the Democratic Party.

00:01:26.000 The Democratic Party has decided to let the radicals run the show.

00:01:30.000 And this has become extraordinarily clear over the course, not just of the past couple of election cycles, but in the past few months, when Zoran Mamdani, the New York City mayoral candidate, who came from legitimately nowhere to become the frontrunner for New York mayor, has now been feted by the entire Democratic Party as the future of the party.

00:01:48.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:01:49.000 All of the so-called moderates in the Democratic Party refuse to dissociate in any way from Zoran Mamdani, who is in fact a terror sympathizer, who is in fact a Marxist radical, who is in fact a complete useless narrow duel of a human being who has somehow managed to manipulate himself into a position to become the mayor of the financial center of planet Earth in New York City.

00:02:12.000 It's really, really incredible.

00:02:14.000 And Zoran Mamdani, he's trying now to sort of back off some of his more radical public positions, some of them, not all of them, but the truth is that Zoran Mamdani is in fact a Marxist.

00:02:24.000 He is a Marxist with jihadist leanings.

00:02:26.000 That's just the reality.

00:02:27.000 And in the modern Democratic Party, that is a feature, not a bug.

00:02:31.000 There are a lot of people in the media who've been struggling to sort of figure out how is it that Zorn Mamdani was able to win a primary, quote unquote, despite having these radical positions.

00:02:41.000 And I've been saying since he won the Democratic Party primary that that actually isn't a bug.

00:02:46.000 That is a feature.

00:02:47.000 That is a thing that is quite popular among Democratic primary voters because the Democratic electorate has basically split between moderates, who are increasingly bleeding over into the Republican Party or into registration as independence, and the hardcore Democrats who are increasingly moving ever further to the left.

00:03:05.000 We are now two generations removed from the specter of communism via the Soviet Union.

00:03:11.000 The Soviet Union now fell 35 years ago.

00:03:16.000 And that means that there are a lot of people who don't even remember the Soviet Union or remember the risks of communism or what that looks like.

00:03:21.000 When they think of socialism, they actually are thinking of mixed states, capitalist states that have a significant welfare portion, things like Europe.

00:03:30.000 And they don't even understand what's going on in Europe, but they're thinking of Europe.

00:03:33.000 But the solutions that they are actually proposing are full-scale nationalization projects, Marxist projects directly from the Soviet Cuban Venezuelan handbook.

00:03:44.000 And they don't even know they're doing that or they don't care.

00:03:46.000 And what that means is that the candidate who signals the furthest to the left in many of these areas in the primaries is actually quite likely to win.

00:03:55.000 That is also true with regard to Zoran Mamdani's positions on the Middle East in terrorism and jihadism.

00:04:01.000 It's how just 24 years removed from September 11th.

00:04:05.000 New York City is likely to elect as mayor somebody who has sympathies for the program of Al-Qaeda.

00:04:10.000 I don't mean he's sympathetic to the actual terror attacks of 9-11, although he's quite sympathetic apparently to the terror group Hamas.

00:04:17.000 I mean that the program written down by Osama bin Laden as to why he hated the West.

00:04:23.000 You remember about a year ago?

00:04:24.000 There's a big scandal because over at TikTok, there are a bunch of youngsters who decided that they were sympathetic to Osama bin Laden's 2001 letter to America.

00:04:33.000 They read, hey, these are legit grievances.

00:04:35.000 Zoran Mamdani is somebody who believes that the Osama bin Laden articulated grievances of 2001 are actually mostly correct. 0.98

00:04:45.000 That That's just a reality.

00:04:46.000 And that is again a feature, not a bug, because there have been people who've been trained for generations in this country to believe that Western civilization is responsible for everything bad that happens on planet Earth.

00:04:56.000 Third world countries are third world because of exploitation by the first world. 1.00

00:05:01.000 Terror centers are terrorist centers, not because of a deeply steeped radical Islamic ideology, but instead because somehow the West has been mean to people.

00:05:13.000 That is the stuff that Zor Mamdani is preaching, and it is finding a ready audience among Democratic primary voters, which again is why he's the frontrunner for the New York City mayoralty, with the entire Democratic Party backing him at this point.

00:05:25.000 Very few Democrats have had the stones to just say, nope, this is a bridge too far.

00:05:29.000 The answer here is no.

00:05:30.000 And what's amazing about that is that the risk factor in doing that is actually relatively low.

00:05:35.000 Imagine that you are a mainstream Democrat from Kansas, and somebody asks you, you're an elected official about Zor Mamdani.

00:05:43.000 Does it cost you anything to say, no, that guy's too extreme?

00:05:45.000 Would not vote for him.

00:05:46.000 I'd vote for Andrew Cuomo, probably.

00:05:48.000 Does that cost you anything?

00:05:50.000 Let's say that you're a purple state Democrat.

00:05:52.000 Or let's say that you're a blue state Democrat.

00:05:54.000 You're just not a New York City, far left, Greenwich Village Democrat.

00:05:59.000 Does it cost you anything to say no, that dude is too much for me?

00:06:02.000 I understand the primary voters chose him, but the reality is that is not representative of America.

00:06:07.000 But instead, the Democratic Party has decided they must sort of draft off of the Zoran Mamdani energy.

00:06:12.000 And that's why you're seeing nationally a reflection of Mamdani's politics via the Bernie Sanders wing of the party.

00:06:18.000 Now, Mamdani is a child of the Bernie Sanders revolution because Bernie obviously is not just a socialist when it comes to domestic policy, he is also a Howard's in anti-American extremist when it comes to American foreign policy. 0.53

00:06:31.000 And Mamdani is just following in the footsteps of Bernie Sanders, but he's adding a more diverse backstory and face to that.

00:06:39.000 AOC is the same sort of thing.

00:06:40.000 AOC and Mamdani are basically cut from the same cloth, as we'll talk about in a minute.

00:06:44.000 But to understand just how extreme Zor Mamdani is, all you have to do is listen to the stuff that he says.

00:06:50.000 So, Mamdani, just a couple of days ago did an interview on Fox News with Martha McCallum, and Martha did a fabulous job interviewing Mamdani.

00:06:58.000 Mamdani has taken a wide variety of extraordinarily insane positions.

00:07:02.000 Some of them he has walked back because he understands that they actually are politically toxic.

00:07:06.000 So one of the ones that he walked back was his criticism of the NYPD.

00:07:10.000 So Mamdani, not all that long ago, was saying that the NYPD was racist and quote unquote anti-queer.

00:07:17.000 And again, that is the sort of stuff that makes you popular with the Democratic Party primary base, but is unlikely to make you popular with the generic voter in New York City, where it turns out people hate crime more than they hate the police.

00:07:28.000 And so Mamdani was forced to back off of that at least a little bit by Martha McCallum.

00:07:34.000 You said in the past, I almost don't need to go through it.

00:07:37.000 It's been said many times, but that you called the police force racist, said they were a major threat to public safety, called them wicked and corrupt.

00:07:46.000 And now the report that you apologize to two dozen members of the NYPD, what did you say to them?

00:07:52.000 I apologize for the language that I used, and I spoke to them about the fact that I want to work with them to deliver public safety.

00:07:57.000 Because what we're seeing in the city right now is we're asking officers to do nearly everything we can think of.

00:08:02.000 We used to ask officers to focus on serious crimes.

00:08:05.000 Now we're asking them to focus also on the mental health crisis, to focus also on homelessness.

00:08:11.000 In one year alone, the NYPD receives 200,000 mental health calls.

00:08:16.000 Police officers that I spoke to, they don't want a behind closed doors apology.

00:08:20.000 They want a broad public apology for the things that you suggested about them.

00:08:25.000 Will you do that right now?

00:08:26.000 Absolutely.

00:08:26.000 I'll apologize to police officers right here, because this is the apology that I've been sharing with many rank and file officers.

00:08:32.000 And I apologize because of the fact that I'm looking to work with these officers and I know that these officers, these men and women who serve in the NYPD, they put their lives on the line every single day.

00:08:42.000 So again, what's hilarious about all of this is that no one in the NYPD believes Zora Mamdani.

00:08:47.000 No one.

00:08:48.000 I have friends who are in the NYPD.

00:08:50.000 They do not believe him.

00:08:51.000 They believe that he is mouthing these slogans in order to win over the so-called moderate Democrats who are probably going to vote for Mamdani in the actual New York City election, which is happening the week after next.

00:09:01.000 But the fact that he feels the need to back off of that is because the anti-police position is such a luxury belief that even the Democratic Party can't actually sustain it for very long.

00:09:11.000 They tried it in 2020, the anti police position, and it was really quite bad for them.

00:09:15.000 It led to broad scale riots.

00:09:17.000 It led to an increase in crime between the Ferguson riots of 2014 and essentially 2022.

00:09:23.000 And so now they're being forced to back away from these crazy positions.

00:09:26.000 But what does Zorn Mamdani actually believe?

00:09:28.000 Well, he actually believes the thing that he's apologizing for.

00:09:30.000 He doesn't like the police.

00:09:31.000 And if you think that he is going to give broader purview to the police to actually stop crime in New York City, you're out of your mind.

00:09:38.000 Because what actually is Zoran Mamdani?

00:09:40.000 He is absolutely radical, and the signaling is how you can tell.

00:09:44.000 Who to whom is he signaling?

00:09:46.000 And the answer is the most radical parts of his base.

00:09:49.000 And the best part for him, the feature, again, not a bug.

00:09:52.000 Everyone keeps getting this wrong in the media.

00:09:54.000 They keep pretending that Zoran Mamdani's radicalism about the Middle East is actually somehow an inhibitor to his political success.

00:10:01.000 Wrong in New York City with the Democratic primary base.

00:10:04.000 It is in fact an aphrodisiac.

00:10:07.000 Already more from Zoran Mamdani, again, the New York mayoral frontrunner.

00:10:11.000 I don't know why the city has some sort of suicidal impulse, but there we are.

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00:12:30.000 So Zor Mamdani has made the claim that as mayor of New York he is going to arrest Prime Minister Benjamin Intenaho of Israel.

00:12:36.000 Now, this is just a legal absurdity.

00:12:38.000 It's a moral absurdity, also.

00:12:40.000 Like a total moral absurdity.

00:12:42.000 Arresting the elected leader of a democratic ally of the United States who just won a multi-front anti-terror war for the crime of winning that war based on a bunch of specious propagandistic crap that Zoran Mamdani and others traffic on TikTok. 0.97

00:12:59.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

00:13:01.000 On a legal level, it's totally ridiculous. 0.95

00:13:03.000 There are absolutely zero legal grounds by which the mayor of New York can order the arrest of a democratically elected foreign leader for winning a war in the Gaza Strip.

00:13:13.000 Mamdani was asked about this by McCallum, but he doesn't back off of it.

00:13:16.000 He doesn't back off at one iota.

00:13:18.000 Because the Democratic Party base, they want this signaling.

00:13:18.000 Why?

00:13:21.000 They want the extremism.

00:13:22.000 They want the Howard zenification of American foreign policy.

00:13:26.000 You have said that you would arrest Netanyahu if he came to the United States.

00:13:30.000 You've been very outspoken in your criticism of him.

00:13:32.000 Do you stand by that?

00:13:33.000 You would arrest him if he came here if you were mayor?

00:13:36.000 I've said that this is a city that believes in international law, and this is a city that wants to uplift and uphold those beliefs.

00:13:42.000 The Prime Minister.

00:13:45.000 It hasn't signed the treaty for the International Criminal Court.

00:13:47.000 The International Criminal Court, however, has issued a warrant for the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu as the.

00:13:53.000 As it has for Vladimir Putin, I've said that I believe that we should uphold arrest warrants by the International Criminal Court, and that we would you should do so only in abiding with all of the laws in front of us.

00:14:03.000 I'm not going to make a new law to ensure that we can actually do this.

00:14:06.000 Do you think that Commissioner Tish would allow you to arrest Netanyahu in New York City?

00:14:09.000 I've appreciated Commissioner Tish's leadership of the NYPD, and I think that she's done a good job at lowering crime across the city.

00:14:15.000 But if she do you think that she would she would be go along with arresting Netanyahu in New York?

00:14:20.000 I can tell you that I'm going to exhaust every legal option in front of me, not to make new laws to do so.

00:14:25.000 Okay, so um here's the deal.

00:14:27.000 What he's saying there is that he's not going to arrest Netanyahu.

00:14:29.000 He doesn't have the legal basis to arrest Netanyahu, but he's going to continue to say that he's going to arrest Netanyahu on these specious grounds.

00:14:36.000 Now, lest you believe that Zoran Mamdani actually is just quote unquote in favor of international law.

00:14:41.000 Or he is just sort of a peacnik. 0.96

00:14:43.000 You know, just sort of one of those guys who is vibing in the park in 1968, smoking dope and talking about how actually the Viet Cong, they're not that bad, but you know, American soldiers kind of bad. 0.76

00:14:53.000 Like, unless you just think that he's that, he is not.

00:14:56.000 He is a full-scale pro-terror advocate.

00:14:58.000 Because in the same interview with Martha McCallum, he was asked about whether Hamas should disarm in the Gaza Strip.

00:14:58.000 How do you know?

00:15:03.000 Now, no matter what you believe about what Israel has done in the Gaza Strip, if you are a person with any sense of decency at all, like just basic pure moral decency at all, you should want Hamas disarmed in the Gaza Strip.

00:15:16.000 For the sake of Palestinians right now, Hamas isn't killing Israelis right now, because Israel pulled back in the Gaza Strip.

00:15:21.000 They will try again, obviously, just as they tried before and succeeded before.

00:15:25.000 But right now, Hamas's tender mercies are being directed at other Palestinians.

00:15:30.000 They are apparently killing dozens, if not hundreds of people a day in the areas that Israel pulled out of.

00:15:35.000 This is the great irony of the international body, basically telling Israel to pull out of the Gaza Strip.

00:15:41.000 Oh, how how dare Israel be there? 1.00

00:15:43.000 Well, what a threat to Palestinians. 1.00

00:15:45.000 Israel is. 0.99

00:15:46.000 So Israel pulls out and Hamas immediately starts consolidating control by literally pulling people out of their houses, lining them up, putting them on their knees and shooting them in the head.

00:15:54.000 There are videos of this happening right now.

00:15:56.000 And Zor Mamdani has nothing to say about this.

00:15:58.000 Not only does he have nothing to say about this, he's asked whether Hamas should disarm.

00:16:01.000 Now, whether or not, again, you believe that Israel should maintain military control of the Gaza Strip, whether you believe there should be an international force there, whether you believe in some sort of fantasy world in which the Palestinian Authority takes security control of the Gaza Strip after their complete inability to do the same in Judea and Samaria, the so-called West Bank.

00:16:20.000 Regardless of what you believe on this, left, right, or center, you should want Hamas to be disarmed.

00:16:24.000 It is a terrorist group. 0.65

00:16:26.000 It is a terrorist group that kills anyone who is not in favor of its complete theocratic control of an area that it has robbed of billions of dollars in aid to build terror tunnels. 0.97

00:16:36.000 They've murdered thousands of Palestinians and gotten tens of thousands of Palestinians killed in the Gaza Strip. 0.64

00:16:44.000 And yet Zor Mamdani was asked about Hamas disarming.

00:16:46.000 And here so remember, there's a guy who wants to arrest the elected prime minister of a democratic ally of the United States, but he has no words at all.

00:16:54.000 In fact, he won't even answer a question as to whether Hamas ought to be disarmed in the Gaza Strip.

00:17:00.000 You've denounced Israel and the United States for the response to the slaughter on October the seventh.

00:17:06.000 In fact, at times uh you've called it a lasting stain, the response.

00:17:10.000 And at times you have left October 7th out of your statements completely around this issue.

00:17:16.000 Right now, you you just talked about Israelis killing some Palestinians, but Hamas is killing Palestinians within Gaza.

00:17:24.000 And they have not returned the bodies that they promised to return, including two Americans.

00:17:29.000 Umutra, whose families we have interviewed over these months.

00:17:34.000 So what is your response to what Hamas is doing now?

00:17:38.000 I think those are bodies and remains that should absolutely be returned, and I think that I have no issue with critiquing Hamas or the Israeli government because my critiques all come from a place of universal human rights.

00:17:49.000 And my focus, however, is right here in New York City and transforming the most expensive city in America into one that's affordable for each and every New Yorker.

00:17:55.000 But okay, I and I want to get to that.

00:17:57.000 Uh absolutely.

00:17:58.000 But do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza.

00:18:04.000 I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's affordable for all, and as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that there is peace.

00:18:12.000 And that is the future that we have to fight for.

00:18:14.000 But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza.

00:18:18.000 I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide by international law. 0.72

00:18:26.000 And that applies to Hamas, that applies to the Israeli military, applies to anyone you could ask me about.

00:18:31.000 So just pure moral equivalence between the IDF and Hamas, the IDF, which has spent extraordinary amounts of blood and treasure and lives of its actual citizens in going house to house in the Gaza Strip and the terror group that is currently murdering people, absent any Israeli control of these areas of the Gaza. 0.51

00:18:49.000 And Mamdani, we're supposed to believe now has no opinion.

00:18:51.000 He has no opinion.

00:18:52.000 Well, he just, you know, he has no opinion now.

00:18:54.000 I mean, weird how his opinions just disappear the minute he is asked about whether Hamas, an actual honest to God terror group, ought to disarm.

00:19:00.000 The opinions just go away.

00:19:02.000 And if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, except he probably already nationalized it.

00:19:06.000 Elise Stefanik, who, of course, is the Congresswoman from New York, she put out a statement in response to a question from a reporter from the New York Times.

00:19:17.000 Apparently, this reporter, Emma Fitzsimmons, asked her, quote, I'm a reporter for the Times.

00:19:21.000 I'm writing about Elise Stefanak's comments in response to Mam Dani's Fox News interview.

00:19:25.000 Mamdani's campaign said that her comments calling him a jihadist were Islamophobic.

00:19:28.000 Please let me know if you want to respond.

00:19:30.000 And so Stefanik responded publicly on X quote, why yes, Emma, I do want to respond.

00:19:34.000 Please print in full.

00:19:35.000 I call Zoran Mamdani a jihadist because he is. 0.51

00:19:37.000 Zar Mamdani is a raging anti-Semite.

00:19:39.000 Mamdani is the definition of a jihadist as he supports Hamas terrorists, which he did as recently as yesterday when he refused to call for Hamas terrorists to put down their arms.

00:19:47.000 The same Hamas terrorist group that slaughtered civilians, including New Yorkers, on October 7, 2023.

00:19:52.000 His Kathy Hochels endorsed jihadist communist, who she has empowered to destroy New York City. 0.64

00:19:57.000 It's why the New York State Democratic Party chair refuses to support him.

00:20:00.000 It's why multiple Democrat members of Congress refuse to support him.

00:20:03.000 It's why Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries have still not endorsed him. 0.75

00:20:06.000 Because Zoran is a jihadist who will destroy New York. 0.97

00:20:08.000 Thank you. 0.93

00:20:10.000 Well, yes.

00:20:11.000 And the answer is yes.

00:20:12.000 But again, that raises the question.

00:20:14.000 Why aren't Democrats just dissociating from him?

00:20:18.000 Yes, he doesn't have the open endorsement of Jeffries or Schumer, but neither of them has said, no, I don't think this guy should be the mayor of New York.

00:20:23.000 I think it's bad that he's mayor of New York.

00:20:25.000 If he becomes mayor, we'll have to work with him because we have no choice.

00:20:28.000 But should he be mayor of New York?

00:20:30.000 Absolutely not.

00:20:31.000 None of them will say it.

00:20:32.000 None of them will say it because they try to draft off the jet fuel that is radicalism and nut jobbery inside the Democratic Party.

00:20:40.000 Now, Mamdani did a mayoral debate yesterday with Andrew Cuomo, the former Democrat governor of New York, and Curtis Sleewa, the Republican candidate.

00:20:50.000 What the polls show right now is that Mamdani is the front runner, but he's still in the mid-40% range, that Curtis Slewa is running in the teens, and that Andrew Cuomo is running in the high 20s.

00:21:04.000 So the basic theory goes that if you wish to defend, if you wish to stop Mamdani from becoming mayor of New York, basically Slewa has to drop out and endorse Cuomo.

00:21:12.000 My guess is that probably will happen sometime in the next week or so because there's really no upside at this point for Sleewa continuing the run.

00:21:20.000 I like Curtis.

00:21:21.000 I think Curtis is a nice guy.

00:21:23.000 Curtis is a radio host, I've been on a show.

00:21:25.000 Like all of that's wonderful.

00:21:27.000 Also, he has no shot of actually being the mayor of New York, and every vote for Sleewa at this point is a vote for Mamdani because it prevents Andrew Cuomo, the only real challenger in the city of New York from being able to become mayor.

00:21:39.000 How extreme is Zoran Mamdani?

00:21:41.000 Again, it's not just that he is pro-Jihad.

00:21:44.000 Zoran Mamdani, I mean, again, he uses the cover of quote unquote international law and human rights to defend the worst jihadists on planet earth, which you'll find to be a common trait among people who are quote unquote defenders of international law, defenders of the international criminal court or the international court of justice or the United Nations.

00:22:02.000 People who cite international law while defending those who routinely violate it.

00:22:07.000 But Zor Mamdani is also a Marxist, a Marxist who's going to wreck the city of New York.

00:22:13.000 So in the debate last night, Zor Mamdani said that he is in fact going to make busing in New York City free because nothing will make busing safer or cleaner than making it absolutely free.

00:22:26.000 Quick, name a government service that has not become More degraded as a result of being quote unquote free, meaning fully funded by the taxpayers.

00:22:35.000 You cannot.

00:22:37.000 In any case, here is Zorn Mamdani saying that the way he's going to pay for that free busing is with is with taxes.

00:22:43.000 Now, again, the nice thing about the busing system in New York is not wildly expensive.

00:22:47.000 It just isn't.

00:22:47.000 And this idea that if you want to take buses in New York City, it's going to bankrupt you.

00:22:52.000 Look at the cost structure on the New York City transit system.

00:22:56.000 It has one of the strongest transit systems in probably the world, certainly in the United States.

00:23:01.000 But Mamdani wants to bring that price down to zero.

00:23:03.000 How?

00:23:04.000 By taxing the only people who are generating revenue in his city, obviously.

00:23:08.000 But the question is how you'll make them free.

00:23:10.000 We will fund the revenue that would have otherwise been brought in from fares.

00:23:13.000 And that's something that we would do in partnership with Albany.

00:23:16.000 And I've put forward two proposals.

00:23:17.000 The first is to raise taxes on the top 1% of New Yorkers by 2%.

00:23:21.000 That would raise $4 billion.

00:23:23.000 The second is to raise the state's top corporate tax rate to match that of New Jersey, which would raise $5 billion.

00:23:28.000 Okay, by the way, I'm just going to point out here again.

00:23:31.000 I asked Comet, a project of Perplexity, one of our sponsors, what exactly the transit fairs are right now in New York City.

00:23:37.000 Apparently, as of October 2025, the standard fare for riding a New York City MTA local bus is two bucks and ninety cents per ride.

00:23:45.000 Express buses cost $7 per ride.

00:23:49.000 And there are, in fact, reduced fare options for eligible groups like seniors and low-income residents who may pay as little as a buck forty-five per local bus ride.

00:23:58.000 Ain't nobody going bankrupt because they are taking the New York City bus.

00:24:02.000 I understand that everything sounds great when it's quote unquote free, but raising taxes in New York City, already one of the most overtaxed jurisdictions in the United States, that is a fool's errand.

00:24:11.000 Zor Mamdani, by the way, has also come out in favor of a gigantic quote-unquote millionaire's tax, which is just going to drive all revenue creators out of the city.

00:24:19.000 This is how you empty out a great American city, by the way.

00:24:22.000 You raise the cost of public services.

00:24:25.000 You tax everybody who can pay the tax.

00:24:27.000 All those people are mobile because they have money, and then they leave, and your tax base gets undercut.

00:24:32.000 And in order to compensate for the worst public services, you then start raising debt.

00:24:37.000 You then start taxing the people who remain, and then they leave.

00:24:40.000 And that's how you end up in a death spiral for a city.

00:24:43.000 Meanwhile, Zorn Mamdani would also love to apparently decriminalize prostitution because there's nothing that sounds better than bringing Times Square back to the hellscape that it was before Rudy Giuliani with women street walking. 0.99

00:24:56.000 I can't you know, New Yorkers, I I guess that the theory of democracy is every 40, 30 years or so, we just have to repeat the mistakes of the past and then relearn why this was incredibly stupid. 0.96

00:25:07.000 And I guess if you put an unbelievably smarmy face on all of this, people buy into it. 0.97

00:25:12.000 I mean, this dude is a smarm machine.

00:25:14.000 Zorn Mamdani is just a machine that generates nuclear levels of SMARM.

00:25:20.000 It really is incredible.

00:25:22.000 Here is Zorn Mamdani, a man who cannot manage press 135 pounds, speaking to you like a substitute middle school teacher who watches too much Rachel Maddow.

00:25:32.000 And to follow the advice of district attorneys that we have here in New York City, the current Manhattan DA, the former Manhattan DA, the current Brooklyn DA, the former Manhattan DA, having said that prosecuting women for prostitution is something that actually leads to less safety.

00:25:47.000 And what we need to do is provide an economy of opportunity.

00:25:50.000 Just a quick clarification.

00:25:52.000 So no legalization.

00:25:54.000 How about um decriminalization? 0.98

00:25:57.000 I do not think that we should be prosecuting women who are struggling, who are currently being thrown in jail and then being offered job opportunities.

00:26:04.000 I think we should be actually providing those kinds of opportunities at the first point of interaction.

00:26:09.000 So, I mean, I don't understand even his theory, but at the first point of interaction, so what?

00:26:13.000 You see a lady on the street streetwalking, charging some John a bunch of money for, and suddenly you just walk up to her with like a job application.

00:26:23.000 This is his theory.

00:26:24.000 This is his great theory, Zorn Mamdani.

00:26:27.000 By the way, it's not as though this stuff hasn't been tried.

00:26:30.000 Again, prostitution was effectively decriminalized in New York City for a couple of decades in the 70s and 80s.

00:26:35.000 Just watch a movie from the 70s and 80s.

00:26:38.000 And um, it didn't work out amazingly well for quality of life in New York City.

00:26:42.000 It's a more on Zorn Mamdani, the extremism in the Democratic Party that will not stop first. 0.70

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00:29:04.000 Meanwhile, Mamdani does have critiques of Andrew Cuomo.

00:29:07.000 What are his critiques of Andrew Cuomo?

00:29:09.000 Apparently, Andrew Cuomo is unqualified and also intolerant because he didn't visit a mosque during this campaign.

00:29:14.000 So just to be clear about this, Zoran Mamdani is not intolerant for believing that Hamas should not disarm or having no thoughts on it.

00:29:20.000 And also for endorsing for the vast majority of his campaign, the idea of globalizing the intifada, which is a violent revolution.

00:29:29.000 That doesn't make him intolerant at all.

00:29:31.000 It doesn't make him intolerant when he puts out an October 7th statement that doesn't mention Hamas in any way, and then spends the vast majority of its time condemning the Israeli defense forces for defending their country.

00:29:42.000 That doesn't make him intolerant in any way.

00:29:45.000 Zorma him hanging out with Hassan Piker, one of the great traffickers of violent revolution while shocking his dog in America.

00:29:53.000 You know, that that apparently doesn't make him a uh an intolerant person anyway.

00:29:58.000 What makes you intolerant apparently is if you don't go and visit a mosque, says Zoran Mamdani to Andrew Guomo.

00:30:04.000 He had more than 10 years, and he couldn't name a single mosque at the last debate we had that he visited.

00:30:10.000 And what Muslims want in this city is what every community wants and deserves.

00:30:14.000 They want equality and they want respect.

00:30:16.000 And it took me to get you to even see those Muslims as part of this city.

00:30:20.000 And that frankly is something that is shameful and is why so many New Yorkers have lost faith in this politics.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, except you know, that is I worked with the Muslim community for many years.

00:30:31.000 Name a single mosque you went to in four, but can you name a single mosque you went to in ten years?

00:30:38.000 They were before I was here.

00:30:39.000 Before you were even in the state government, I worked with the Muslim community.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, imams presided over state of the states. 1.00

00:30:47.000 Uh, we worked in religious working groups, I couldn't visit a mosque.

00:30:52.000 All right, gentlemen.

00:30:53.000 You will visit the mosque or you will be labeled anti-American.

00:30:56.000 That's a hell of a take.

00:30:58.000 That's a hell of a take from uh Zoran Mamdani.

00:31:02.000 My goodness.

00:31:02.000 And again, the Democratic Party, he is their nominee.

00:31:06.000 And Democrats having a very tough time dissociating from him.

00:31:08.000 Bill Ackman put out his thoughts on the New York City mayoral debate.

00:31:12.000 He said on Zoran Mamdani, it's now abundantly clear he's completely full of it.

00:31:15.000 The whole thing is an act.

00:31:16.000 Just look at that identical practice smile with which he ends each answer.

00:31:20.000 After watching him recreate his fake smile, your skin will start to crawl.

00:31:23.000 He does have a sort of Gavin Newsom lizard person feel about him, Zorn Mamdani.

00:31:27.000 Mamdani exudes inauthenticity and smugness.

00:31:29.000 He denies Or disavows any of his previous public statements that he knows will now cost him votes.

00:31:33.000 The only takeaway is that he is an extremely articulate inauthentic actor.

00:31:37.000 He can't trust one word out of his mouth, and that's before you get to his policies, which make no economic sense.

00:31:41.000 I mean, again, hard agree on that one.

00:31:44.000 But this is the nature of the modern Democratic Party.

00:31:47.000 The modern Democratic Party is moving in this direction at light speed.

00:31:51.000 Which is why, just a couple of nights ago, CNN did a town hall event with Bernie Sanders and AOC.

00:31:57.000 Now, what this really is is Bernie crowning AOC as queen of the movement. 0.55

00:32:02.000 Bernie is too old for to run for president again.

00:32:04.000 He's starting to lose it, Bernie Sanders.

00:32:06.000 I mean, he already let's be clear. 0.99

00:32:08.000 I think that Bernie Sanders lost it when he was a teenager because he has been a complete useless leech on the ass of American society for the past multiple decades. 0.98

00:32:16.000 The man is 84 years old, and he has not produced a useful thing in his entire life. 0.98

00:32:22.000 Not one useful thing in his entire that's an amazing record, an unblemished record of uselessness from Bernie Sanders and counterproductivity when it comes to forwarding the principles of the United States.

00:32:32.000 But he has bequeathed, he has given birth to a bizarre socialist movement that has now taken over the heart of the Democratic Party, and he is touting AOC as his sort of heir apparent.

00:32:44.000 Because the theory of the Democratic Party, at least in the Bernie iteration, is Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee in 2020, were it not for the fact that minorities did not like Bernie Sanders.

00:32:55.000 They saw the old school Brooklyn Jewish accent.

00:32:58.000 They didn't like it.

00:32:59.000 They thought he was real white.

00:33:00.000 And so a lot of minorities didn't like Bernie Sanders.

00:33:02.000 Again, this is the Democratic theory of the case.

00:33:04.000 It's been written about extensively.

00:33:05.000 This is why Joe Biden was able to swing into action in 2020 and stop the Bernie Sanders nomination cold, despite the fact that Bernie had already won Iowa and New Hampshire.

00:33:15.000 In South Carolina, everything turned because the Democratic Party basically came together to stop him, reliant heavily on minority votes.

00:33:21.000 So the theory of Bernie and company is what if we take Bernie's program and we pour that old wine into a new, more diverse vessel?

00:33:28.000 That's the theory.

00:33:29.000 And that is why AOC has turned from a punchline, which she actually is, because again, she's charismatic and she's good on TV, and she has never said a thing of worth ever.

00:33:42.000 But AOC is now being turned into a legit figure because of Bernie Sanders, who is basically crowning her.

00:33:47.000 And during this interview, over and over, Bernie Sanders basically stepped in and protected AOC from any difficult question.

00:33:54.000 So at one point, for example, Caitlin Collins of CNN asked AOC if she was going to challenge Chuck Schumer for his Senate seat in New York.

00:34:03.000 And Bernie stepped in to protect her, white knighting for AOC.

00:34:07.000 Here we go.

00:34:08.000 Are you saying that Senator Schumer should not be worried about a primary challenge from you?

00:34:12.000 I mean, let me jump in on this one.

00:34:16.000 This is what we're talking about.

00:34:19.000 That's exactly what we're talking about.

00:34:20.000 This is what we're talking about.

00:34:23.000 We had a house housing crisis, a health care crisis, an education crisis, massive income and wealth inequality, a corrupt campaign finance system, and the media says, Oh, you could have run what are you gonna run for?

00:34:34.000 Nobody cares.

00:34:35.000 So one more total.

00:34:36.000 Nobody cares.

00:34:37.000 Eric's the House Speaker and President Trump and the vice president saying it.

00:34:40.000 Right.

00:34:40.000 Pardon?

00:34:41.000 Well, of course, they're saying it to deflect the tension away from the real issues.

00:34:44.000 Exactly.

00:34:44.000 And he only tell you what the real issue is.

00:34:46.000 Let's see if CNN talks about it.

00:34:48.000 We're living in the richest country in the history of the world, right?

00:34:52.000 All right, you tell me why we're the only nation not to guarantee health care to all people, the only nation not to guarantee paid family and medical leave.

00:35:00.000 Why we have a $7.25 an hour minimum wage.

00:35:04.000 Why we have 800,000 people sleeping out on the street, why we have a president who denies the reality of climate change.

00:35:11.000 Why we have oligarchs on top who have more and more power every day. 1.00

00:35:15.000 Let's talk about that issue, not her own political future.

00:35:19.000 She'll decide that.

00:35:21.000 What a what a joke he is.

00:35:22.000 Let's talk about too many rich people in America and there are too many poor people in America.

00:35:27.000 Let's talk about how everybody needs health care, paid for by someone, by a magic monkey somewhere that generates money.

00:35:33.000 Let's talk about all of it.

00:35:34.000 That's what we need to talk about.

00:35:35.000 Don't ask any questions about whether she's going to run against the Senate minority leader.

00:35:40.000 I will step in as an old white man, and I will tell you why you, Caitlin Collins, a woman, cannot ask this other woman a question about her political future because of the relationship.

00:35:51.000 This is he's trying to hand control of the Bernie movement to AOC.

00:35:56.000 So again, that's what that's why the white knighting routine.

00:35:58.000 And again, here's the problem for AOC.

00:36:01.000 She is a radical. 1.00

00:36:02.000 She is a radical, and she is a nut.

00:36:05.000 And I know there are a lot of people on the right who look at this sort of thing and They say, well, you know, but all the Democrats, they're standing in solidarity. 0.84

00:36:11.000 And look, that's that's a good quality.

00:36:12.000 They're standing with if the Democratic Party follows Bernie Sanders and AOC and Zoran Mamdani down this primrose path.

00:36:19.000 That is not a path to victory.

00:36:22.000 Donald Trump has been tr president two times.

00:36:25.000 I said it yesterday.

00:36:26.000 I'll say it again.

00:36:27.000 Republicans control the Senate.

00:36:28.000 They control the House.

00:36:29.000 They are likely to retain control of the Senate.

00:36:31.000 It is increasingly likely they may even retain control of the House.

00:36:34.000 In an off-year election.

00:36:36.000 Republicans control the majority of governors' houses.

00:36:39.000 The demographics of the country are moving in favor of Republicans.

00:36:42.000 Because the Democrats declared solidarity with the Bernie Sanders movement.

00:36:46.000 And if the Democrats hand leadership of the movement over to AOC, that is good evidence the party has gone completely bat Loony. 0.92

00:36:53.000 And they can do it.

00:36:55.000 I mean, sure they can.

00:36:56.000 And again, we live in a country that's a two-party system.

00:36:59.000 It's possible that if AOC becomes leader of the Democratic Party, she could be president. 0.99

00:37:03.000 There's an economic collapse, and AOC gets elected.

00:37:06.000 But is that a good thing for the Democratic Party or for the United States?

00:37:09.000 I don't think so.

00:37:10.000 AOC is a bag of vanity fair slogans poured into a young, fresh face.

00:37:20.000 That's what she is.

00:37:22.000 So AOC during this town hall was asked about President Trump's ability to achieve the release of Gaza hostages.

00:37:29.000 And she couldn't even give Trump credit for that.

00:37:31.000 She called Trump an obstacle to peace, which is unbelievable because this is a lady who wept openly on the floor of Congress when Israel was given continued funding for Iron Dome, which again is the anti-rocket system that prevents Hamas rockets from hitting civilians in Israel.

00:37:47.000 She wept on the floor for abstaining from the vote.

00:37:50.000 And here she is saying that Trump is an obstacle to peace.

00:37:53.000 Good Lord.

00:37:55.000 These there have been several ceasefire announcements and developments that have happened over the past two years.

00:38:03.000 I think that the release of the hostages is a tremendous accomplishment.

00:38:09.000 And it is providing so much healing to to so many people, Israelis and Palestinians.

00:38:17.000 And it is a profound and important moment in this conflict.

00:38:21.000 I also think that as President Trump was on the plane back to the United States, there's already indications and questions about whether this ceasefire will hold.

00:38:32.000 And I pray that it does.

00:38:35.000 for everyone's benefit.

00:38:38.000 I pray that it does, but I do believe we need to see if it holds.

00:38:43.000 I don't believe that there's been a history of fidelity to these agreements, and so I think we have to ensure that we will see the terms held too.

00:38:53.000 But do you give him credit?

00:38:54.000 Do you give him credit though for getting to this point where it did get those 20 hostages back home with their families?

00:39:01.000 In this particular development, yes, but we also know that President Trump uh was an obstacle to peace previously as well.

00:39:10.000 Okay, he's an obstacle to peace.

00:39:12.000 All right, says the party that again is promoting the Hamas should not disarm candidate in New York City, whom AOC campaigns for, by the way.

00:39:19.000 AOC also had some words for Republican men.

00:39:24.000 She says that that Republicans are radicalizing and exploiting young boys.

00:39:27.000 Again, if this is the direction the Democratic Party wants to move, chiding young men for, you know, not being androgynous, then good luck to them. 0.83

00:39:35.000 Here is AOC lecture.

00:39:36.000 Keep lecturing the dudes.

00:39:37.000 See how it works out for you.

00:39:39.000 And they are able to radicalize and target and exploit a generation of young boys in particular away from healthy masculinity and into an insecure masculinity that requires the domination of others who are poorer, browner, darker, or a different gender than them. 0.59

00:40:04.000 And that is why they are resonating online, because they are appealing to the most basist and worst parts of human nature to divide us.

00:40:14.000 The most basis parts of human nature.

00:40:16.000 Ah, the wisdom of mass I need to hear more about masculinity from AOC and Zoran Mamdani and Bernie Sanders.

00:40:23.000 Just I need to hear more about it.

00:40:24.000 I think I think it's going to be fascinating.

00:40:27.000 Well, meanwhile, she says that Republicans Are successful online because they believe women are inferior.

00:40:33.000 Which, again, is a hell of a take here from AOC.

00:40:38.000 They have been successful because they have also been very clear, especially digitally, about what they believe.

00:40:45.000 That women are inferior. 1.00

00:40:48.000 That do not, and they do not deserve equal rights. 0.96

00:40:51.000 That they believe that LGBTQ Americans are subhuman.

00:40:56.000 Oh, goodness gracious.

00:40:57.000 Goodness gracious.

00:40:58.000 Well, the good news, at least for Bernie and AOC, is they've found allies on the other side of the aisle in the form of Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:41:04.000 Again, I'm uh a little annoyed with people who suggest that pointing out that Marjorie Taylor Green is trying to lead an insurgency inside the Republican Party by gaining strange new respect from the left, that those are the people dividing the party.

00:41:16.000 Marjorie Taylor Green has spent the last multiple months attacking the president of the United States and getting massages from all the members of the left. 1.00

00:41:25.000 But if you mention this, then you're quote unquote breaking the unity.

00:41:27.000 Here's Bernie Sanders endorsing Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:41:30.000 Always a good indicator that you've gone wrong somewhere.

00:41:33.000 There are some decent, honest Republicans.

00:41:36.000 And you know, in American society, we believe in democracy.

00:41:39.000 You're a conservative Republican.

00:41:41.000 We disagree.

00:41:41.000 So what?

00:41:42.000 It's called America.

00:41:43.000 We have different points to you.

00:41:45.000 I gotta tell you, though, if I may, one of the things that has concerned me very, very much.

00:41:50.000 And is that we are seeing the Republican Party doing less of representing their districts and their states than just swearing allegiance to the president of the United States.

00:42:03.000 So now I never thought that I would say this.

00:42:06.000 But you have somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green saying, you know what?

00:42:09.000 I was elected by my constituents.

00:42:12.000 That's who I am beholden to, not the president of the United States.

00:42:18.000 So there are good Republicans out there, and if Trump would leave them alone for five minutes and not threaten them with a primary, if they stood up and did the right thing, I think we can make progress.

00:42:30.000 The reason, by the way, he's praising Marjorie Taylor Green is because she hates Israel, and so does Bernie Sanders.

00:42:34.000 That's that's the real reason that that is happening.

00:42:36.000 In five seconds ago, he would have rapped on her for her conspiratorialism. 1.00

00:42:41.000 Today she's a hero.

00:42:42.000 So when we talk about people who are attempting to split the Republican Party, Marjorie Taylor Green, again, is one of those names.

00:42:49.000 Now, the Democrats, they're having a tough time recruiting candidates who are not members of the radical left at this point.

00:42:54.000 And one of the more hilarious turns in recent memory, Graham Plattner, according to CNN, a marine veteran turned oyster farmer, who is now a rising Democratic Senate candidate in Maine.

00:43:05.000 He was supposed to be the sort of bro response because there are lots of pictures of him out on the lake.

00:43:11.000 And of course, he has a military background.

00:43:13.000 And there he is looking like a dude who who fishes and spends his time doing man things. 1.00

00:43:21.000 Well, it turns out that he once called himself a communist, dismissed all police as bastards, and said rural white Americans actually are racist and stupid. 1.00

00:43:28.000 According to deleted social media posts reviewed by CNN's K file, that'd be Andrew Kaczynski, who does a pretty good job of digging. 0.99

00:43:36.000 Most of the posts were made five years ago under Platinum's then Reddit handle, P Hustle.

00:43:39.000 They were deleted ahead of his campaign launch in August.

00:43:41.000 The post in some ways underscore Platinum's reputation as an anti-establishment outsider with unapologetically left-wing views, but the labels and tone used in his writings could also prove costly in a state known for electing political moderates.

00:43:52.000 So he came out, he said that was very much me effing around the internet.

00:43:55.000 I don't want people to see me for who I was in my worst internet comment, or even frankly, who I was in my best internet comment.

00:44:01.000 I don't think any of that is indicative of who I am today, really.

00:44:04.000 I don't believe you.

00:44:06.000 I think that that is quite actually indicative of of what you think.

00:44:10.000 So, again, hilarious that the Democrats try to recruit a man's man, a moderate to run against Susan Collins in Maine. 0.88

00:44:18.000 And what they come up with is a communist who hates white rural people. 0.67

00:44:23.000 Slow clap for the Democratic Party.

00:44:24.000 They're doing an amazing job.

00:44:25.000 Alrighty, coming up, Democrats, they've gone radical.

00:44:28.000 So obviously the people they need to oust, they they want to go after John Fetterman.

00:44:32.000 Well that really?

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00:45:44.000 It is not, by the way, just that the Democratic Party is doing an amazing job in recruiting nut jobs to run for office, and then burnishing them, touting them. 1.00

00:45:53.000 They're also taking the only sane people left in their party and forcibly attempting to eject them.

00:45:58.000 According to Axios, top Democrats in Pennsylvania are maneuvering to run against Senator John Fetterman in a 2028 primary contest, threatening to tear the party apart in the biggest battleground state in the nation.

00:46:10.000 Democrats have not flipped a GOP Senate seat since Fetterman did it in 2022.

00:46:14.000 He was the last Democrat to flip a Senate seat.

00:46:16.000 And he remains quite popular with Pennsylvania voters.

00:46:20.000 In large part because Fetterman is the only rational Democrat, apparently, who's willing to say basically rational things at this point.

00:46:27.000 For example, John Fetterman said a thing that Democrats apparently are not allowed to say.

00:46:33.000 He said Trump voters are not fascists and Nazis.

00:46:35.000 I know this is like crazy stuff to Democrats, apparently.

00:46:38.000 Here was Fetterman on News Nation saying this just the other night.

00:46:41.000 I refuse to call people uh Nazis or fascists, or I would never compare anybody, anybody to Hitler and those things.

00:46:51.000 And uh that kinds of extreme rhetoric is going to continue.

00:46:55.000 We're going to be more likely in resulting in extreme kind of outcomes and political violence and doing all these kinds of things.

00:47:04.000 I mean, like, this is just basic rationality.

00:47:07.000 Fetterman also said in that same news nation interview that extremism on the Democratic side is why they lost.

00:47:12.000 They embraced every extreme cause.

00:47:14.000 And now a lot of the things, the extremism that people turn their back in 24, and that's how we kind of came up short.

00:47:22.000 Uh I mean, you know, I campaigned for thousands, thousands of thousands of miles across Pennsylvania for for uh vice president Harris.

00:47:30.000 And and it was going to be incredibly difficult.

00:47:32.000 You could just feel the energy there, and people really have connected there and at a very fundamental level.

00:47:37.000 And that's what I tried to explain to my party.

00:47:39.000 And I'm trying to explain to the party right now.

00:47:42.000 It's like this is why we lost, and this is where we need to be to continue to win for these things.

00:47:47.000 And there are parts of extreme things emerging, clearly, on those things.

00:47:51.000 And that's why I refuse to follow that, even if that is gonna cost me uh uh support in parts of the base.

00:48:00.000 So um, you know, again, basic rationality there from John Fetterman, and Democrats are trying primary over it.

00:48:06.000 It's amazing.

00:48:07.000 It's unbelievable.

00:48:08.000 By the way, Fetterman was asked about this, and he pointed out that he actually is among the least Trump-aligned Democratic lawmakers in Pennsylvania.

00:48:15.000 He voted with the president six percent of the time.

00:48:18.000 He just takes publicly moderate positions.

00:48:20.000 But when it comes to his voting record, he votes as a straight Democrat.

00:48:23.000 The fact that Democrats are trying to oust him for saying bad things, meaning like saying things that are rational and reasonable, is amazing.

00:48:31.000 Again, Donald Trump has won Pennsylvania twice in the last three election cycles.

00:48:36.000 And what Pennsylvania keeps showing is that moderate Democrats can do okay there, but radical Democrats will not.

00:48:43.000 Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, who's widely perceived as a more moderate Democrat, has a 60% job approval rating in Pennsylvania.

00:48:52.000 Meanwhile, John Fetterman is clocking in at a 46% approved, 38% disapprove.

00:49:01.000 Which, again, is a fine number.

00:49:04.000 The Republicans approve of him 62 to 21.

00:49:06.000 Democrats, 54 to 33%, disapprove.

00:49:10.000 Independents are evenly split 4343.

00:49:13.000 Which is kind of amazing for a guy who, again, is in fact voting against President Trump nearly all of the time.

00:49:22.000 So Democrats can do this.

00:49:24.000 They can throw out the only moderates that they have in Congress.

00:49:27.000 News Nation asked Fetterman why he's still a Democrat at this point.

00:49:29.000 He said, Because I vote with the Democrats, guys.

00:49:31.000 That's why.

00:49:33.000 Why are you a Democrat, though?

00:49:35.000 And I don't say that being a wise guy.

00:49:37.000 You you support Israel, correct?

00:49:39.000 Yeah, well, I I do, and that's been that's been isolating it too because look, you support Israel and the progressives don't, generally speaking.

00:49:49.000 You are for a very rigorous defense against Putin in Ukraine, correct?

00:49:54.000 You want to stop them, right?

00:49:55.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:49:56.000 I mean, I I would fully support I've I in fact I just thought on social media encourage uh President Trump to provide tomahawks uh to the Ukrainian. 0.65

00:50:04.000 I mean, it's like he is probably the only person in the world that could end this terrible war.

00:50:10.000 And uh, I I think why can't we all agree that that that's that's necessary?

00:50:14.000 You're not a wild spender.

00:50:16.000 You you want to get the debt under control.

00:50:19.000 So why are you Democrat?

00:50:21.000 That's your party is against you on all three of those issues.

00:50:27.000 And Bill O'Reilly is pointing out an obvious discrepancy, but the problem, of course, is that Fetterman actually is a big government Democrat.

00:50:34.000 He campaigned on a sort of Medicare for All platform in Pennsylvania.

00:50:38.000 And they're trying to throw him out.

00:50:39.000 Because the Democrats cannot handle moderation inside their party.

00:50:42.000 Which is why Senator Tim Kane of Virginia continues to defend attorney general candidate Jay Jones after Jay Jones was caught in a text thread with a political opponent saying that he wanted the speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates murdered for being right wing.

00:50:57.000 Here's Tim Kane defending.

00:51:00.000 Well, and and look, the Republican gubernatorial candidate in Virginia has said some vile things, and we haven't called on her to drop out of the race.

00:51:08.000 Um the voters are gonna make this decision.

00:51:11.000 The Jay Jones texts were abhorrent and they are indefensible.

00:51:15.000 But I also have known Jay Jones for 25 years, and I put that knowledge on a scale, and it weigh more than one really indefensible set of texts.

00:51:25.000 But I'll tell you this, Jake, it's interesting to know.

00:51:28.000 Jay Jones has earnestly and sincerely apologized and said he made a grievous error.

00:51:34.000 What did you hear from J.D. Vance?

00:51:35.000 Did he say any of these texts were wrong?

00:51:38.000 I didn't hear any condemning of the text.

00:51:40.000 I didn't hear him having any concerns about what was said.

00:51:46.000 Okay, so um again, like this is the Democratic Party.

00:51:50.000 They can't divide off from this stuff.

00:51:52.000 They still refuse to let go of the trans issue.

00:51:54.000 I mean, it's an unbelievable thing.

00:51:55.000 The fact that they have decided this is sort of the litmus test for being a Democrat is saying that a boy is a girl.

00:52:00.000 This is one of the reasons they're upset with Fetterman is because he won't say that, is truly incredible.

00:52:04.000 Here, for example, is California Democratic governor candidate, Betty Yee, with Piers Morgan, explaining that transgender female athletes are women athletes, meaning like men who say they are women are women.

00:52:16.000 I think transgender female athletes uh are women athletes. 0.97

00:52:19.000 And they should be able to compete.

00:52:21.000 Really?

00:52:24.000 if you were governor of California, you would support biological males who identify as women competing in women's sport in the Olympics.

00:52:32.000 They are now identified as transgender female.

00:52:39.000 And you think that makes and and you think it's fair that they should then compete in women's sport.

00:52:44.000 I think they should be able to compete in women's sports, but I also think that there is still some discussion about uh whether they should compete uh uh in the same field.

00:52:52.000 But I just want them to be able to participate.

00:52:54.000 Sure, I'm sure you're gonna be able to do that.

00:52:55.000 Why why out of interest?

00:52:57.000 Why do you think we separate the sexes in the Olympics? 1.00

00:53:01.000 Um well, because they do come with different attributes in terms of physicality and uh you accept that we separate the sexes because men have a physical advantage over women. 0.92

00:53:12.000 Uh I know about an advantage in some sports, yes, and other sports maybe not.

00:53:16.000 Okay, so I guess Democrats can keep doing this, and we'll see how it works out for them.

00:53:20.000 Speaking of extremism, the government shutdown continues to drag on.

00:53:25.000 It seems as though there really is very little incentive for either side to come to the table at this point.

00:53:29.000 Both sides seem to think that they are winning.

00:53:31.000 Democrats are happy with the government shutdown because it shows that they are resistant to President Trump in some way.

00:53:37.000 Republicans are saying, why exactly should we give up the victories we just won in the one big beautiful bill because you're throwing a hissy fit?

00:53:45.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, both parties think they have the upper hand.

00:53:48.000 Democrats and Republicans think they're on the stronger side of the argument and see little reason to budge.

00:53:52.000 Both points of polling, they say shows public opinion is on their side.

00:53:56.000 Republicans say they're simply trying to do what Democrats have done for decades.

00:53:59.000 Pass a straightforward short term bill that continues funding at prior levels until a broader full year deal is reached. 0.60

00:54:04.000 And they say Senate Democrats are being hypocritical.

00:54:06.000 Democrats say they're comfortable with their message that there's a pending health care crisis and Republicans won't negotiate to fix it.

00:54:14.000 Now, again, President Trump hasn't gotten deeply involved.

00:54:18.000 If he feels that it's a ballast on his presidency, he'll probably get involved in some way and cut some sort of deal.

00:54:23.000 But so far, doesn't seem like a lot of incentive structure here.

00:54:27.000 One of the things Democrats did, of course, since 2021 is force more people onto the Obamacare coverage via gigantic subsidies.

00:54:36.000 24 million people on those subsidies.

00:54:39.000 More than three quarters of Obamacare policyholders live in states that voted for Trump, according to KFF, a health research nonprofit.

00:54:46.000 Republicans were united in opposing those ACA-enhanced subsidies.

00:54:51.000 Democrats are betting that Republicans are going to cave because many of the people who are on these subsidies are in their states.

00:54:56.000 The first ACA deadline isn't actually until November 1st.

00:55:00.000 So good shot that this shutdown lasts a couple of more weeks, at least a week and a half more.

00:55:05.000 Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, he says that Democrats are making outrageous demands to reopen the government.

00:55:09.000 All they have to do is just say yes, and the government reopens today.

00:55:12.000 Another day of American families feeling the very real personal and economic strain of this reckless decision that our Democrat colleagues keep making.

00:55:21.000 They want the United States government to remain closed, and they seem not to care about the pain that it's causing.

00:55:28.000 They have offered no plan.

00:55:29.000 They have offered no strategy.

00:55:31.000 They have offered no common sense path forward for ending this situation.

00:55:34.000 And so many of you have asked all of us, how will it end?

00:55:37.000 We have no idea.

00:55:38.000 It's up to the Democrats.

00:55:40.000 And they have to decide it.

00:55:41.000 And judging by their outrageous behavior, the Democrats appear perfectly happy to keep the political theater going while real people suffer.

00:55:50.000 So, again, he ain't wrong about all of this.

00:55:55.000 The truth is that when people look at shutdowns like this, all they can really think is, I don't understand anything that's going on.

00:56:01.000 Why don't you just keep the government basically running?

00:56:03.000 If you want to have a big fight over spending, then government shutdowns typically are not the way to do it.

00:56:07.000 I've yet to see a government shutdown fight that has ended in any major serious change that radically bends the cost curve in any way.

00:56:15.000 This is why Stephen A. Smith received a bunch of plaudits the other night.

00:56:18.000 He was part of a news nation panel, and he got annoyed at the government shutdown because he basically said, listen, you know, you got a bunch of Congress people on the stage.

00:56:25.000 They keep talking about shutdown, no shutdown.

00:56:28.000 Meanwhile, the national debt is out of control.

00:56:30.000 People aren't getting paid.

00:56:31.000 Like, why aren't you just basically decent at your jobs?

00:56:38.000 Somehow, some way the taxpayers have been paying this, been throwing money because I we all look at our check and has been going to the government.

00:56:47.000 And somehow, some way you're supposed to be doing something constructive and productive enough to make sure that we don't have that kind of deficit.

00:56:54.000 It isn't happening.

00:56:56.000 A government shutdown is going on right now.

00:57:00.000 A man has to work on DoorDash when he's really an air traffic controller.

00:57:06.000 That we applaud it, and we're up here talking about how much some money is gonna cost, and the only person that don't have a check coming is him.

00:57:06.000 Right.

00:57:15.000 You know what I'm gonna do?

00:57:16.000 I'm gonna take a break.

00:57:20.000 All right.

00:57:22.000 Again, it's performative, but Stephen A is performative, and uh I enjoy Stephen A, I will say.

00:57:27.000 Now, again, does that solve any of our problems?

00:57:28.000 No, but it shows kind of where people are on a generic level, which is why can't you people just like do your basic job?

00:57:34.000 And the answer is in reality, the real answer is the government has too much power.

00:57:38.000 When the government has this much power, when the government has the ability to suck trillions of dollars out of the American public, when the government so wildly exceeds its constitutional mandate that pretty much every issue is a federal issue.

00:57:49.000 Of course, you end up with 40 trillion dollars in national debt.

00:57:53.000 By the way, here, I'm gonna call out again, Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania being the rational voice in the room.

00:57:59.000 He is one of the people who's refusing to shut down the government.

00:58:01.000 He says, listen, if we lose uh a battle, that is not a reason to shut down the government.

00:58:04.000 We can always have a negotiation over overspending, you know, at the next budget bill.

00:58:10.000 Here is Fetterman being a rational human.

00:58:13.000 Yeah, well, I it's like that's why that's why shutting the government is is really what the Democratic Party wants to do.

00:58:20.000 And I follow country then party, and it's the wrong thing for the country in a period of chaos.

00:58:26.000 I refuse to vote to shut our government down.

00:58:28.000 I absolutely would love to have I I would love to have a conversation about uh extending the tax credits for health care.

00:58:41.000 Absolutely.

00:58:41.000 But I would remind everybody too, this was designed by the Democratic Party to expire at the end of the year.

00:58:48.000 I mean, he is he is right.

00:58:50.000 And again, this is probably why Democrats want to oust him.

00:58:54.000 Joining us on the line is Eric Trump.

00:58:56.000 He's the author of the brand new book Under Siege, My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation, already a gigantic bestseller, of course.

00:59:02.000 Eric, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:59:03.000 Really appreciate it.

00:59:04.000 It's great to be on, my friend.

00:59:06.000 So why don't we start by by talking about first of all, what is it actually like to be a member of the Trump family?

00:59:10.000 I think that that is the thing that everybody in America is constantly asking.

00:59:14.000 So what is it like to grow up with Donald Trump as as your father?

00:59:17.000 This is crazy as hell.

00:59:18.000 I never thought I'd, you know, be in the real estate world the way I was.

00:59:20.000 I never thought I'd be on, you know, seven seasons of celebrity apprentice.

00:59:23.000 I never thought we'd be running for president, you know, three different times.

00:59:26.000 Obviously, winning in 2016, I think we won in 2020, and then winning again in 2024.

00:59:30.000 I never thought I'd have to go through the crusade of being the most obeyed person in American history.

00:59:35.000 Um, and I never thought I'd be a number one bestseller selling author, right?

00:59:39.000 And kind of accomplish all of it.

00:59:40.000 And so um, you know, it's really been remarkable.

00:59:43.000 But listen, the voyage has been amazing, and I love my father to death.

00:59:46.000 He's my best friend in the entire world, and you know, I've stood by his side every single day as we went through all those things, whether it was in the business world, on The Apprentice again, or or in politics, and we didn't have any friends.

00:59:55.000 I mean, Ben, you knew this better than anybody.

00:59:56.000 We didn't have any friends in the political world, and we went out there and we wanted to save this country.

01:00:00.000 This country was going to hell um on every front.

01:00:03.000 We were losing religion, we were losing faith, we were losing the constitution, we're losing you know, First Amendment rights, we're losing second amendment rights.

01:00:09.000 I mean, we were losing everything as a nation, and we went and we fought like hell against all odds.

01:00:14.000 And we somehow beat the greatest political dynasty in the history of, you know, probably the last century, which was the Clintons until now.

01:00:21.000 Um, and then came back to do it again despite them trying to take us out at every turn, and it's a hell of a story.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, Eric, I I think one of the things that is obviously apparent about President Trump, and certainly not apparent to the legacy media, but but apparent to I think people who watch even relatively closely President Trump is how close he is with his kids.

01:00:39.000 I mean, there's been a lot of slander that's thrown at the President of the United States about him personally, about how how he is and when he interacts with people, but you're one of the people who is closest with him.

01:00:48.000 You've known him literally your entire life.

01:00:50.000 And so tell tell us about what it is like to be, again, the president's child.

01:00:53.000 Well, what is what is Donald Trump like behind the doors?

01:00:57.000 He's the most charismatic guy you'll you'll ever meet.

01:00:57.000 Well, listen, he's great.

01:00:59.000 I think you've seen that personality, you know, behind closed doors, and he's tough as hell.

01:01:03.000 He he was he was tough when he had to be with us, and at the same time, he was amazing.

01:01:07.000 I mean, every single morning before I went to school, honey, no drinking, no drugs, no smoking, you better get good grades.

01:01:12.000 And by the way, never trust anybody.

01:01:13.000 He would always add that last little one in, you know, never trust anyone.

01:01:16.000 That probably benefited us pretty well in life.

01:01:18.000 But, you know, he always expected us to have jobs.

01:01:20.000 Listen, we're spoiled as hell, Ben, right?

01:01:22.000 And in the kind of conventional way, we always had a roof over our head, we always had a great meal, we always had, you know, the the best educations.

01:01:28.000 But if we wanted something, you you better damn well go out and work for it.

01:01:32.000 There was no handouts in the Trump family.

01:01:33.000 There was there was no, you know, Ferraris at age sixteen.

01:01:36.000 It's we worked our butts off.

01:01:37.000 I grew up on construction sites in the company and doing demo in HVAC.

01:01:41.000 And if we wanted a bike, you're gonna go pay for your own bike.

01:01:44.000 If you want a new fishing rod, you're gonna go pay for it.

01:01:47.000 And you know, he taught us great skills early on.

01:01:50.000 Um, you know, it made us appreciate the value of a dollar.

01:01:53.000 And uh just uh just an amazing human being.

01:01:55.000 I I love him to death.

01:01:56.000 And we fought together in everything we did, and when he finally told us, hey kids, we're I'm gonna run for commander in chief, you know, I'm gonna run for president, he goes, you know, uh, I'm gonna do it, but but guys, let's do it.

01:02:06.000 Let's do it.

01:02:07.000 And we did it as a family.

01:02:08.000 I mean, I never forget him calling me and saying, honey, I need you to go on Megan Kelly to talk about immigration.

01:02:12.000 And I looked at him, I go, you know I don't know a damn thing about immigration, right?

01:02:16.000 Like, you know, I I've spent my entire life building hotels. 0.93

01:02:18.000 I don't know I don't know a fricking thing about immigration.

01:02:21.000 And you know, we spoke from the heart, we did with a lot of backbone.

01:02:25.000 We wore through shoes.

01:02:26.000 I mean, I probably did 10 events a day every single day in every single swing state in the country.

01:02:31.000 And uh we spoke from the heart and uh we did it as a family, and that that had never really been done in American history before.

01:02:38.000 So, Eric, your book Under Siege is is largely about the sort of lawfare that's been used against the president and against the president's family.

01:02:45.000 You personally, as you say, you may be the most obeyed person in the history of the United States.

01:02:50.000 I think when people hear about the targeting of President Trump, they they they don't actually understand the cost of what lawfare means.

01:02:56.000 Like what it means that everybody who is even in three hundred yards of of President Trump basically had to go hire a lawyer and then spend years dealing with with the constant pestering and horror of being dragged into a system for for no reason other than your association with the president.

01:03:12.000 Can you talk about what that was like on a personal level?

01:03:15.000 Yeah, in the hundreds of million.

01:03:16.000 I mean, we spent about four hundred million dollars just defending ourselves from every single sham.

01:03:19.000 I mean, start start with the Russia hoax when I get the call from the FBI saying I hear you have secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with the Kremlin.

01:03:26.000 Give me a break, right?

01:03:28.000 And then go to the dirty dossier where they're thinking, you know, they're they're talking about golden you know what's and prostitution that did not happen.

01:03:34.000 This was paid for by Hillary Clinton, it was made up by Hillary Clinton.

01:03:37.000 And then you get to impeachment number one and then Kavanaugh and what they did to him, and then you get to impeachment number two, and then you get to the weaponization of every single attorney general and district attorney in in the country, whether it be Letitia James or Alvin Bragg or Cy Vance or Jack Smith, the special counsel, or Robert Muller, right, going through and trying to do anything they can to destroy your family, destroy your life.

01:04:00.000 91 criminal indictments.

01:04:02.000 They were raiding our homes, they raided Mar-Lago, they raided Melania's room, they raided Barron's room, they took attorney client documents.

01:04:11.000 They literally leaked every single one of my father's tax returns, every one of my tax returns, every one of Don's tax returns, about the top hundred corporate employees we have in the in the Trump organization, the IRS leaked their tax returns to the New York Times.

01:04:25.000 They took my father off the ballot of Maine, they took him off the ballot in Colorado.

01:04:30.000 When that didn't work, they took him off of Twitter and they took him off of Facebook and they took him off of Instagram because they wanted to violate his First Amendment rights.

01:04:37.000 When we opened up Truth Social, guess what the judges did?

01:04:40.000 Every judge in the country in these far left jurisdictions, they put gag order on him after gag order on him.

01:04:47.000 Ben, it was unrelenting.

01:04:48.000 They wanted to kill us in every way, shape, or form.

01:04:51.000 And when that didn't work, they tried to kill my father and butler. 0.84

01:04:54.000 They tried to kill him again at the golf course in Palm Beach.

01:04:56.000 You know, they did kill Charlie, who was a dear friend of mine and he was a great friend of yours.

01:05:02.000 They wanted to remove the conservative voice out of our society.

01:05:06.000 They wanted me off that stage.

01:05:07.000 They sure as hell wanted you off that stage. 0.99

01:05:09.000 They wanted Charlie Kirk off that stage.

01:05:11.000 They definitely wanted my father off that stage, whether it was in a prison after 91 indictments, or if it was dead, or if it was bankrupt, or if it was embarrassed.

01:05:21.000 You know, they wanted our family broken apart.

01:05:25.000 That was the siege.

01:05:26.000 And it wasn't just toward us.

01:05:27.000 We might have been the tip of the spear.

01:05:28.000 It was toward the American people.

01:05:30.000 They wanted us all gone.

01:05:32.000 They wanted us all off that stage.

01:05:33.000 They wanted us voiceless.

01:05:35.000 You saw that with the January 6th protesters, where you had grandmothers go through the Capitol, take selfies, and they destroyed their lives.

01:05:42.000 I mean, they wouldn't give them hearings for years.

01:05:45.000 They destroyed these people's lives.

01:05:47.000 And it's not right.

01:05:48.000 And so this was a this was all of our fight.

01:05:50.000 This was a conservative fight to restore dignity to this country, our constitution, our American flag, our national anthem, to end wokeness, to end DEI, you know, to restore family virtue, to restore our standing on the world stage.

01:06:05.000 It was all of our fight.

01:06:06.000 We we were just the tip of the spear.

01:06:08.000 So, you know, Eric, you you you go through all that, and I think it is an amazing exposure over the course of the last year.

01:06:15.000 But I think the activity of the left is over the course of the last ten years, while your president has been at the center of all of politics and all global attention.

01:06:22.000 It has exposed so many institutions as is largely rotted from the inside.

01:06:26.000 And the question becomes how we actually restore credibility to a lot of these institutions.

01:06:30.000 Is it even possible to restore credibility to these institutions?

01:06:33.000 Because, you know, the the alternative is anarchy, but we also can't have institutions that have done to your family, to your father, and to the country what they've done over the course of the last decade.

01:06:42.000 I mean, it's kind of hard.

01:06:44.000 I mean, you know, you you have uh unfaithful spouse, right?

01:06:47.000 And you catch him over and over and over, you're gonna have a lot of faith in that person, right?

01:06:50.000 And that's what's happened.

01:06:51.000 That's what happened with the FBI.

01:06:53.000 That's what happened with the DOJ.

01:06:55.000 Ben, this whole thing started when they spied on my father's campaign and all of us in 2016.

01:07:00.000 Let's not forget about that, right?

01:07:03.000 And when the FBI called me and said, I hear you have secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower, and I said, Come over.

01:07:08.000 You can dispel this this myth in about three seconds.

01:07:11.000 Congratulations.

01:07:12.000 You know who never came over? 0.94

01:07:13.000 And you know who let that that lie perpetrate, not only because it allowed Hillary to get an extra three votes, you know, uh a greedy woman to get an extra three votes because that was their October surprise, as you remember from Podesta, but it gave them cover as to why a bunch of imbeciles who knew nothing about Politics who didn't know the delegate game, who didn't know what an Iowa caucus was, was able to beat the biggest political family in America at the time at their own game when they had a financial deficit of literally five to one. 0.89

01:07:43.000 We funded our own campaign pretty much in 2016 versus Hillary, who raised, you know, one and a half billion dollars, right? 0.99

01:07:50.000 They let that so it's hard to restore faith when over and over.

01:07:54.000 When I get the call from my team at Mar a Lago saying, sir, there's 30 FBI agents who's storming Mar a Lago with a search warrant, and they're demanding that you turn off all security cameras right now.

01:08:05.000 It's really hard to restore that that faith.

01:08:08.000 When you have 51 intelligence officers come out and try and verify that the Russian laptop, Hunter's laptop, the laptop from hell, was Russian diff disinformation.

01:08:19.000 It's awfully hard to restore fate.

01:08:22.000 And that's why when you see what happened to Charlie, right?

01:08:25.000 And you have all these kind of, you know, theories spewing around.

01:08:29.000 You know, it's hard.

01:08:31.000 I I mean, the these institutions have a lot of making up to do, and it's going to take them years, potentially years, to restore the faith of those institutions because they've lied to the American people, and they weaponized those institutions against the American people, time after time.

01:08:47.000 My father was just the guy that was probably on the tip of the spear, you know, exposing their corruption for exactly what it was.

01:08:54.000 Well, the book is under siege, My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation by Eric Trump.

01:08:58.000 The Ford is by the president of the United States.

01:09:01.000 Eric, really appreciate you taking the time.

01:09:03.000 Thanks so much for the fight that you and your family have been waging over the course of the last decade, and good luck with the book.

01:09:08.000 Thanks so much, Ben.

01:09:10.000 Alrighty, coming up, the show continues for our members.

01:09:13.000 We get into a bunch of Trump foreign policy fascinating things happening on the foreign front from Venezuela to Gaza, all the way on over to Japan.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 17, 2025

Mamdani, AOC, and Bernie, OH MY

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