The Ben Shapiro Show - September 15, 2026


Mamdani Wants Immigrants on Welfare. Here's Why.

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00:00:00.000 We should have at least one simple rule when it comes to legal immigration. 1.00
00:00:04.000 If you are here to sponge off the American taxpayer, get the hell out. 1.00
00:00:09.000 Don't plan on working?
00:00:11.000 Out.
00:00:11.000 Bringing an entire family, the vast majority of whom will draw on the taxpayer dime?
00:00:16.000 Nope.
00:00:17.000 Well, this is what the Trump administration is now arguing.
00:00:19.000 And New York Mayor Zorhan Mamdani and the rest of the Democrats are screaming bloody murder.
00:00:23.000 The question is why?
00:00:25.000 Why are Democrats so desperate to import people who are dependent on the American taxpayer?
00:00:29.000 Why aren't Democrats concerned with the people who actually pay the taxes in the United States?
00:00:34.000 We'll get into that question as well as the ugly answer.
00:00:36.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:46.000 So, when my great great grandparents got here from Lithuania and Russia more than 100 years ago, they came here with pretty much nothing.
00:00:54.000 And they were entitled to pretty much nothing because that's the way that things work. 1.00
00:00:57.000 This was true of virtually all immigrants to the United States for the first 160 years or so of our existence. 0.73
00:01:03.000 They came here knowing that they probably weren't going to get anything.
00:01:07.000 There were some mutual aid societies, maybe some friends and family who were already here who might be able to help them out, but the government was not going to be the primary means of support for these people, and they knew it.
00:01:17.000 They were coming here because they were coming for the opportunity.
00:01:20.000 So, what did this mean in effect?
00:01:21.000 Well, it meant high levels of assimilation.
00:01:24.000 If you can't get paid without a job, and if you can't get a job without assimilating, you actually have to assimilate.
00:01:28.000 So, again, for my great great grandparents, they came here speaking Yiddish, and within a generation, everybody was speaking English.
00:01:34.000 This is very common among immigrants from the places that, again, my ancestors came from.
00:01:39.000 They came here and they said to their kids, You are not allowed to speak Yiddish in the home.
00:01:43.000 You actually have to speak English so you can learn English and then assimilate.
00:01:46.000 Second, it meant a lot more involvement with social institutions.
00:01:50.000 So that meant more involvement if you were a Christian immigrant with your church, because if you needed help, you went to your local religious institution for that help.
00:01:58.000 And that was good because when you go to your local religious institution for help, as opposed to going to the government, that comes along with strings like acting well.
00:02:06.000 And when you're part of a community and you're drawing from the communal pool in terms of support, you owe things back to the community.
00:02:13.000 It's not just a faceless check arriving in the mail.
00:02:16.000 Third, it meant drawing a certain type of immigrant, the type of person who came here for the opportunity, who wanted to work, who was upwardly mobile.
00:02:22.000 I mean, that was the basic bargain. 0.91
00:02:25.000 The basic bargain was you come here to work.
00:02:28.000 It's the difference between a store putting out a help wanted sign and a store putting out a free donut sign.
00:02:33.000 It's going to draw two very different types of people.
00:02:36.000 Help wanted brings the job applicants, free donuts brings the people who want free donuts.
00:02:40.000 Well, the free donuts were the welfare state.
00:02:42.000 And then came the Immigration Naturalization Act alongside the Great Society programs of LBJ.
00:02:47.000 Again, if you change the incentive structure, you're going to draw different people.
00:02:51.000 That is how human incentives work.
00:02:53.000 Daniel DiMartino of Manhattan Institute explains what is called the public charge rule.
00:02:59.000 So, one of the ways that we were supposed to combat this was a federal rule that said you don't get to come in the country and then become a public charge, meaning you are dependent on public welfare benefits.
00:03:09.000 As he points out over at Manhattan Institute, one of the first federal immigration restrictions was the Immigration Act of 1882's ban on immigrants who are unable to take care of themselves without becoming a public charge.
00:03:19.000 In the Immigration Act of 1889, Congress excluded paupers or persons likely to become a public charge.
00:03:25.000 For nearly 150 years, longer than any modern federal welfare or entitlement program has existed, U.S. immigration law has included some form of public charge exclusion. 0.98
00:03:35.000 Again, Congress recognized that given the fact the United States is very wealthy, a lot of people would come here and would be better off as paupers than they would staying in their native countries, which of course is very true today. 0.95
00:03:46.000 The current form of the public charge rule is found in the Immigration and Naturalization Act, and it provides that any alien who, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of application for a visa or, in the opinion of the attorney general, At the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, it is likely at any time to become a public charge, is inadmissible. 0.95
00:04:04.000 So that seems pretty clear.
00:04:06.000 The problem is, of course, that pretty much no one is getting deported on this basis.
00:04:10.000 No one.
00:04:11.000 The current standard, as DiMartino points out, used to determine if a prospective immigrant is likely to become a public charge, is based on a 1999 interim field guidance issued during the Clinton administration.
00:04:23.000 That standard is not particularly hard to meet.
00:04:25.000 In 2017, about 1,000 immigrant visa petitions out of a million.
00:04:30.000 Were rejected based on the public charge rule, which of course is insane.
00:04:35.000 That's insane.
00:04:36.000 I mean, the idea that you have over 1 million people who are coming here, many, many of whom will become public charges, and only 1,000 get rejected on that ground is nuts.
00:04:46.000 So the question is why?
00:04:47.000 What happened?
00:04:48.000 Why wasn't the public charge rule really implemented?
00:04:50.000 Well, again, we have to look at the history of how immigration worked in the United States.
00:04:55.000 So, as you say, in the beginning of the 20th century, you had vast migration to the United States, but pretty much no federal welfare programs.
00:05:02.000 Then, in the 1930s, you had the New Deal programs, which were accessible to legal residents.
00:05:07.000 But Immigrant households were less likely to receive welfare than native born households.
00:05:12.000 And that was because we just didn't have that many immigrants.
00:05:15.000 During the 1930s, we really restricted immigration.
00:05:19.000 You can see the volume of U.S. immigration and contents of origin by decade from 1820 to 2013.
00:05:25.000 Look at the gigantic drop off from 1920 to 1930.
00:05:29.000 And you can see the low levels of immigration that basically maintain up until you hit the post war era.
00:05:35.000 And then you see them again skyrocket in the aftermath of the INA.
00:05:39.000 From the 1970s, which is post Immigration and Naturalization Act, the Hart Sellers Act, into the late 20th century, you see two things combined. 0.83
00:05:47.000 One, vast, vast numbers of immigrants.
00:05:50.000 And second, expansion under the Great Society programs and their successors of unconditional cash aid and expanded food stamps.
00:05:57.000 By 1990, 21% of immigrant households were receiving cash, Medicaid, SNAP, or housing assistance versus 14% of native households, according to the National Bureau of Economics.
00:06:08.000 So in 1996, under welfare reform, What was called the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, right?
00:06:15.000 Welfare reform, which was one of the great achievements of bipartisanship in the United States between the Newt Gingrich led Republican Congress and President Bill Clinton.
00:06:23.000 One of the provisions was a five year ban on green card holders receiving cash assistance or food assistance. 0.65
00:06:29.000 Refugees and asylum seekers were exempted because, again, the reason they were getting in was the idea was that we had to let them in or they'd be killed elsewhere.
00:06:36.000 That's why it was such a betrayal when Joe Biden decided that seeking asylum just meant you were poor.
00:06:40.000 No, The whole idea was.
00:06:43.000 If you were trying to escape death, maybe we would let you in.
00:06:47.000 And maybe you'd even be a public charge, but you were trying to escape death.
00:06:50.000 Okay.
00:06:50.000 In any case, very, very quickly, there was a bipartisan consensus to undo all of this, mainly out of misplaced sympathy and empathy.
00:07:00.000 Not empathy for the American taxpayer and the people who'd have to shoulder the burden, sympathy and empathy for the people who are coming here and wanted to then support themselves by taking money from the public trust.
00:07:11.000 The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 reversed some of the harshest cuts by restoring Supplemental Security Income SSI. 0.91
00:07:17.000 And derivative Medicaid benefits to the elderly and disabled immigrants who are already in the United States. 0.95
00:07:22.000 Again, these are people with green cards. 0.99
00:07:23.000 We're not talking about citizens. 0.71
00:07:26.000 And then the Agricultural Research Extension and Education Reform Act of 1998 restored SNAP eligibility to immigrant children, the elderly, and disabled individuals who had been lawfully residing in the U.S. prior to August 1996.
00:07:38.000 So SNAP was put back in place.
00:07:39.000 And then the 2002 Farm Bill under George W. Bush dramatically expanded SNAP access, completely eliminating the five year waiting period for all lawfully present immigrant children.
00:07:49.000 Regardless of when they entered the country.
00:07:50.000 So basically, just undid welfare reform with regards to minors.
00:07:54.000 It also restored adult SNAP benefits for legal immigrants who had resided in the U.S. for five years or who were receiving disability benefits.
00:08:01.000 And even to counteract that federal five year bar, states began stepping in with their own dollars during that period. 0.76
00:08:08.000 More than three quarters of American states opted into federal provisions allowing them to use Medicaid funds to cover immigrant children, which of course made some sense because otherwise all these immigrant kids just end up in the ER. 0.58
00:08:20.000 And then federal agencies jumped in. 0.54
00:08:22.000 They started narrowly defining means tested public benefits.
00:08:27.000 So, limiting that definition to just a few core programs like TAMF and SNAP and SSI and Medicaid allowed executive agencies to keep dozens of other discretionary, lower cost or public health programs like Head Start, Community Health Clinics, and WIC fully open to immigrants. 0.54
00:08:43.000 So, basically, in the decades after welfare reform, an immigrant's use these are legal immigrants we're talking about use of non cash benefits like Medicaid or SNAP would not label them a public charge, which meant they could continue to move towards citizenship and made them eligible for everything because once you weren't A citizen, then you're eligible for legitimately all welfare programs. 0.63
00:09:02.000 So now, where are we?
00:09:04.000 Well, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, over half, over half, 53 to 54 percent of immigrant households today use one major welfare program that is higher than the 37 to 39 percent of native born households.
00:09:18.000 Among non citizen households, both illegal and legal, almost 60 percent are on one major welfare program.
00:09:25.000 Immigrant households tend to use non cash assistance like Medicaid and SNAP more than cash programs.
00:09:30.000 When compared to native born households. 0.99
00:09:35.000 So, again, it is an insane proposition that we should just open our borders and also gigantically expand our welfare state for the people who are coming in. 0.98
00:09:44.000 This is what Milton Friedman made. 0.92
00:09:46.000 Milton Friedman, who is a libertarian when it came to border control, said it's one thing to have open immigration when you don't have a sack of cash on the other end.
00:09:54.000 But the moment you put a sack of cash on the other end, obviously everyone is going to cross the border for the sack of cash.
00:09:59.000 Now, again, that puts aside all cultural concerns, even all assimilationist concerns.
00:10:04.000 That is just a basic fact of logic, which is why, if you go back far enough, Bernie Sanders, a socialist, used to be in favor of limited immigration because even Bernie Sanders understood you bankrupt yourself.
00:10:14.000 Then, of course, Bernie decided he had to cater to the woke brigade inside his own party and he went in favor of open borders.
00:10:21.000 But it's not as though we haven't seen this here.
00:10:23.000 We've seen this story before.
00:10:25.000 Europe is this story.
00:10:27.000 One of the reasons that you have seen this vast spate of right wing upsurge in Europe is not just because of lack of assimilation or no go zones in Widespread European countries ranging from Sweden to France to Germany.
00:10:40.000 It is also because of welfare dependency.
00:10:44.000 Welfare dependency and crime, by the way, have a heavy overlap because, again, if you are coming to a country to take advantage of its welfare benefits and not integrate into the system, it turns out the same mentality that says the government owes you something says society owes you something.
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00:12:06.000 So take, for example, Sweden.
00:12:08.000 Sweden, of course, has an extraordinarily generous welfare system.
00:12:11.000 Sweden is largely socialized in terms of its distribution of benefits.
00:12:15.000 Their native born unemployment is 3 to 4%.
00:12:19.000 Foreign born unemployment in Sweden is between 12 and 20 percent.
00:12:24.000 So, at least three times higher, maybe as much as five times higher. 0.96
00:12:29.000 Because they decided to import, right?
00:12:29.000 Why?
00:12:31.000 They opened their borders. 1.00
00:12:32.000 They decided to import people who are taking advantage of their welfare benefits. 0.53
00:12:36.000 And this is not rare. 0.56
00:12:37.000 This is true across Europe.
00:12:40.000 So, why are Democrats in favor of this?
00:12:41.000 Well, because Democrats love importing people who are then dependent on the sorts of government that Democrats seek.
00:12:49.000 And these are people.
00:12:49.000 Who are on the pathway to actual citizenship?
00:12:52.000 They want to bring them here. 1.00
00:12:53.000 They want them to become citizens and then they want them to vote.
00:12:56.000 That is the goal because that fosters the kind of government they seek.
00:13:01.000 Zoran Momdani would love to import millions more people into Manhattan, increasing demand without increasing supply, have those people be dependent on public welfare benefits and then vote for him because if you can just vote yourself other people's money, you will continue to do so until the end of time.
00:13:19.000 Now, again, That doesn't mean that the children and grandchildren of some of these people might end up off of welfare.
00:13:26.000 But if you create incentive structures, human beings take advantage of those incentive structures.
00:13:31.000 Well, the Trump administration announced that they were going to start strictly applying the public charge rule.
00:13:31.000 So what does this mean?
00:13:37.000 That if you come here and then you're dependent on welfare benefits, out you go.
00:13:41.000 The Democrats have gotten very upset about this.
00:13:43.000 According to CBS News, New York City Mayor Zorn Manzani joined several mayors across the country in a joint lawsuit on Monday.
00:13:51.000 The suit challenges the federal government's new public charge rule, which is set to take effect on Friday.
00:13:55.000 The rule gives immigration agents leeway to deny green cards or visas to lawful immigrants on the basis of being a public charge, meaning someone using programs like Medicaid or food assistance.
00:14:06.000 What we are seeing at the moment is people are fearful at the moment to enroll in any benefits because it may put them at risk to be able to adjust immigration status for the future, said Arlene Cruz Escobar of Make the Road New York.
00:14:16.000 Advocates said mixed status families may also be hesitant to use benefits they may legally qualify for.
00:14:21.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the idea.
00:14:22.000 You might legally, again, you can use the benefits.
00:14:25.000 It just may put you at risk of deportation.
00:14:27.000 No one's saying you can't apply for the benefits to which you are legally entitled.
00:14:32.000 We're just saying that you aren't entitled to those benefits ad infinitum in perpetuity.
00:14:38.000 And then you just get to stay here.
00:14:40.000 According to the city, if a new rule goes into effect, up to 4 million people nationwide could unenroll from healthcare plans, including 1.8 million children.
00:14:48.000 And then they're suggesting, of course, this is going to kill the kids.
00:14:50.000 So here is Zar Mamdani suggesting.
00:14:52.000 That this is an undisguised effort to strip New Yorkers of the services they are entitled to.
00:14:56.000 Again, I would just like to point out that entitlement programs are, generally speaking, a massive problem.
00:15:04.000 They are the lead drivers of our national debt.
00:15:06.000 They bankrupt cities, they bankrupt states, they bankrupt the country.
00:15:10.000 The very idea that these programs are titled entitlements as opposed to what they actually are, which is the dole, is a way of changing the mentality people have toward drawing from the state.
00:15:22.000 In the movie Cinderella Man, the main character, James J. Braddock, he has to go on welfare.
00:15:28.000 This is in the 1930s.
00:15:29.000 And there's a scene where he actually, after becoming rich again by boxing, brings money back to the welfare office and drops it off.
00:15:36.000 No one in America would do that now because of the entire mentality shift about taking taxpayer dollars.
00:15:41.000 Remember, taxpayer dollars, even ones that are created out of thin air by racking up the debt, those are somebody else's dollars.
00:15:48.000 They do not belong to you.
00:15:50.000 But because we keep saying entitlement over and over and over, The basic idea is that you're entitled to draw on the taxpayers.
00:15:58.000 You're entitled to it.
00:15:59.000 Now, again, even if you have that generalized perception, which I think is awful, I think it's awful.
00:16:03.000 I don't care who you are in the United States.
00:16:05.000 If you're taking advantage of the entitlement programs to not work, and honestly, I don't care who you are doing this. 1.00
00:16:12.000 I don't care whether you are a person living in the inner city who's doing this, whether you're a Haredi doing this, whether you're like, I don't care. 0.99
00:16:19.000 If you are avoiding the realities of working in America in order to make yourself dependent on the government, you're doing something morally wrong. 1.00
00:16:27.000 It's even worse when we're importing vast numbers of people to do this.
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00:18:59.000 And certainly, we should not be standing up entire programs and then opening our doors wide and saying, You are entitled to this. 0.98
00:19:06.000 But that is what Zarmamdani wants.
00:19:08.000 If you are a citizen or an individual seeking humanitarian relief like asylum, these changes will not affect you.
00:19:14.000 The new federal public charge rule.
00:19:16.000 Not only does it sweep aside more than a century of established law, it is intentionally vague as a means of creating uncertainty and fear to isolate immigrant New Yorkers, to force them to make an impossible choice between meeting their own basic needs and continuing to live in the city that they love.
00:19:36.000 Make no mistake, this is an undisguised effort to strip New Yorkers of the services they rely on, the public benefits they are entitled to. 0.78
00:19:45.000 They are entitled to it, stripping them.
00:19:47.000 It's just terrible.
00:19:48.000 Okay, so I have a question.
00:19:50.000 Why are you more worried about the people who are coming here and want to become citizens and are already on the dole than the people who are paying for them?
00:19:58.000 We understand the answer to this.
00:19:59.000 Zarnamdani is an eat the rich guy. 0.71
00:20:03.000 There is nothing he wants better than to just seize wealth from certain people and give it to people who vote for him to seize more wealth.
00:20:08.000 That is the entire thing.
00:20:09.000 And of course, we get the usual routine people will die. 1.00
00:20:12.000 Okay, the most stupid form of politics is people will die. 1.00
00:20:18.000 It's the dumbest form of politics. 1.00
00:20:19.000 Unless you can show an actual correlation between the policy change that is being made and the malicious death of people, this is the dumbest argument possible. 1.00
00:20:29.000 Every public policy argument. 0.96
00:20:31.000 Has risks and benefits, all of them. 1.00
00:20:33.000 Going all the way to people could die is so stupid. 1.00
00:20:36.000 It's not just stupid, it's malicious. 1.00
00:20:38.000 Because the idea then is if I'm saying that we should not import vast numbers of people here to be dependent on the American taxpayer, because that is a seizure of American wealth on behalf of people who are foreigners, you should not do that. 1.00
00:20:53.000 He is saying that you maliciously want those people to die.
00:20:55.000 It's just gross.
00:20:56.000 It's just gross politics and it's untrue, by the way.
00:20:59.000 The toll of this new rule cannot be overstated.
00:21:03.000 It is estimated that up to 4 million people from across the country could unenroll from their health care alone, including 1.8 million children.
00:21:12.000 None of this is abstract.
00:21:15.000 People could die.
00:21:17.000 As a result of these changes, the rate of premature mortality in immigrant communities in New York City could increase by up to 10.6% within just the next five years.
00:21:27.000 The data is clear.
00:21:28.000 Denying people services does not erase their need.
00:21:32.000 It compounds it.
00:21:33.000 Generating a greater cost to our system that will be placed on the backs of working people for years to come.
00:21:41.000 So it's going to be placed on the back of working people for years to come.
00:21:44.000 You know what's placed on the back of working people right now?
00:21:47.000 Literally right now.
00:21:48.000 If you're paying taxes, he wants to put more of a burden on your back.
00:21:51.000 And again, he's pulling these numbers directly out of thin air.
00:21:54.000 This idea that if people don't have Medicaid because they're immigrants and therefore they shouldn't have Medicaid until they actually become citizens and demonstrate that they.
00:22:04.000 Aren't just going to be a public charge that this is going to result in vast death.
00:22:08.000 The data are not only not clear on that, they are non existent on that.
00:22:12.000 They're very, very unclear data on whether Medicaid itself even prolongs life.
00:22:17.000 Because again, people still have emergency care.
00:22:19.000 There are people who are finding care in other ways.
00:22:21.000 That's an open debate.
00:22:23.000 But regardless of that, this is what we would call an argument that proves too much.
00:22:27.000 Because now he's basically just saying, why shouldn't people have endless benefits?
00:22:31.000 Come here, have endless benefits. 0.92
00:22:34.000 And if we don't give you the endless benefits, then that's a form of us killing you.
00:22:38.000 Now, again, all of this is part and parcel of a broader worldview for people like Zorhan Mamdani.
00:22:43.000 It is not just about importing people who are dependents on the federal government and on the state government and local government.
00:22:48.000 It is also about importing people who just hate the country.
00:22:52.000 Because I can't imagine can you imagine going to a country just to draw on the taxpayer? 0.66
00:22:58.000 I can't imagine doing that, truthfully.
00:23:01.000 It's a bizarre notion.
00:23:03.000 But it's not just that for people like Zorhan Mamdani. 0.76
00:23:05.000 They want to import people. 0.97
00:23:06.000 Who fundamentally hate our country.
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00:23:19.000 Every significant movement in history has started with protesting. 0.99
00:23:21.000 You're a traitor! 1.00
00:23:22.000 Uncle Tom! 1.00
00:23:23.000 This is our generation's civil rights!
00:23:25.000 I have no idea what the protest is about.
00:23:27.000 Bingo!
00:23:27.000 Given the current climate, should a figure as polarizing as Clay Saunders even be allowed on campus?
00:23:33.000 Ah, can you hear me okay?
00:23:34.000 Saunders is a close personal friend of Chancellor Friedman.
00:23:36.000 This is a decision I can't. 1.00
00:23:38.000 Islam will conquer the West. 1.00
00:23:42.000 Are we paying attention? 1.00
00:23:47.000 They've taken over the building.
00:23:48.000 They're downstairs and they've blocked the doors.
00:23:51.000 I seek forgiveness from Allah the Almighty.
00:23:55.000 We cannot run and hide.
00:23:57.000 Muhammad is the messenger of God.
00:24:01.000 There is no God but Allah.
00:24:03.000 What do you say? 0.99
00:24:05.000 He turned those SOBs into a fine red mist. 1.00
00:24:10.000 As we move, one man will cover while the other guys go. 1.00
00:24:13.000 They call that leapfrogging.
00:24:14.000 Touch them off and listen.
00:24:17.000 You need a course in safe weapons handling.