The Ben Shapiro Show - MORE Left-Wing Violence: Deadly Shooting at ICE Facility!

00:00:00.000 Another left wing shooting at an ICE facility plus controversy over whether Tylenol causes autism and Jimmy Kimmel returns to the air.

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00:00:40.000 Well, folks, unfortunately, the spate of left wing violence continues.

00:00:43.000 While I was off Fort Rosh Hashanah, apparently there was a sniper who killed two migrants and wounded several others in a shooting at Dallas.

00:00:50.000 Immigration and customs enforcement, the shooter has now been identified.

00:00:54.000 The bloodbath unfolded at the facility in the Texas City shortly after 7 a.m. Central Time on Wednesday morning, according to the UK Daily Mail.

00:01:02.000 That is when the gunman targeted migrants on an unmarked transport van before killing himself.

00:01:07.000 Multiple law enforcement sources said that the shooter who opened fire from the rooftop of a building adjacent to the ICE detention center also happened to leave some pretty obvious clues as to what his ideology was.

00:01:21.000 Apparently, the victims were ICE detainees.

00:01:23.000 No law enforcement was injured in the shooting.

00:01:25.000 Officials said at a press conference on Wednesday morning, bullets found by the shooter's body were engraved with anti-ICE messages, including a bullet that literally just said on it, anti-ICE.

00:01:34.000 So obviously, this has now become a meme among assassins, would-be assassins, killers, has been to brand the ammunition that they are using to put writing on the gun.

00:01:45.000 We have now seen this at multiple shootings, multiple terror attacks.

00:01:48.000 The gunman apparently opened fire from an elevated position as migrants were inside the transport van.

00:01:53.000 He was believed to have been found on the roof of a nearby immigration attorney's office, according to WFAA, which is a local outlet.

00:02:00.000 Kash Patel, the head of the FBI, said in an ex post, while the investigation is ongoing, the initial review of the evidence shows an ideological motive behind this attack.

00:02:07.000 These despicable politically motivated attacks against law enforcement are not a one off.

00:02:11.000 And they did release pictures of the shells, the casings of some of the bullets.

00:02:18.000 One read, of course, anti-ICE.

00:02:22.000 The messages on the ammo are quite clear.

00:02:24.000 The social media for the shooter also seems to lean very much to the left, if what can be seen online can be trusted at all.

00:02:32.000 I mean, the number one clue, of course, that this was a left-wing shooter is that the shooting happened at an ICE facility, and this, of course, is not the first act of violence at an ICE facility in recent months.

00:02:42.000 You'll recall that just a little while ago, back in August 2025, there was an ICE facility that was attacked in Yakima, Washington.

00:02:51.000 You'll also remember that in July 2025, there were 10 suspects who were charged for their July 4th attack on a Texas ICE detention facility, in which, according to ICE, nearly a dozen violent assailants equipped with tactical gear and weapons attacked U.S. immigration and customs enforcement's Puriland detention facility in Alvarado, Texas, on July 4th.

00:03:10.000 They shot a local law enforcement officer in the neck.

00:03:13.000 The officer was expected to recover at the time.

00:03:16.000 The attack occurred just days before an armed activist shot a U.S. Border Patrol office in McCallan, Texas.

00:03:21.000 The FBI arrested ten of the eleven suspects at the time.

00:03:26.000 You'll recall that, in fact, there was a there was an attack on ICE officers in Los Angeles that prompted federal intervention by the Trump administration, in which rioters surrounded and attacked a federal building.

00:03:42.000 So this is nothing new.

00:03:43.000 And pretending that it is something new is ridiculous.

00:03:46.000 As ICE Director Todd Lyon said, the assaults on ICE agents have been up about a thousand percent.

00:03:53.000 I've never seen anything like this in my law enforcement career.

00:03:55.000 I've never seen threats on law enforcement, specifically ICE increase the way it is.

00:03:59.000 You know, we're up over a thousand percent assaults on officers right now.

00:04:03.000 And really, just a lot of the the talk that's out there, a lot of the rhetoric is just the violence directed towards law enforcement officers just trying to do their job.

00:04:11.000 And it would just keep just keeping seeing an increase step by step.

00:04:16.000 Texas Governor Greg Abbott went out there and said that this was in fact an attempted assassination on ICE officers.

00:04:22.000 It's his belief that the ICE detainees were hit essentially accidentally, that the sniper was not trying to hit the detainees, was trying to fire at law enforcement.

00:04:32.000 Obviously it's a tragedy, it's horrific, it's a, I view it as an attempted assassination on our ICE officers.

00:04:40.000 and as you know, this is not the first time this has happened in the state of Texas.

00:04:44.000 It's not the first time it's happened across the United States.

00:04:46.000 And so we have a serious problem across this country.

00:04:48.000 Uh, where this violence uh against our ICE agents, our law enforcement agent, uh, is being inside it, and it needs to stop right now.

00:04:58.000 Okay, now again, it seems pretty obvious what the motivation here was because this is part of a spate of attacks on ICE offices and ICE officers and border patrol officers that has happened over recent months.

00:05:10.000 J.D. Vance, the vice president of the United States went after Gavin Newsom, who we'll get to in a moment, the governor of California, whose rhetoric has been unhinged, as well as other Democrats over the rhetoric they've been using with regard to ICE.

00:05:21.000 Here's what happens when Democrats like Gavin Newsom did say that these people are part of an authoritarian government.

00:05:29.000 When the left wing media lies about what they're doing when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence.

00:05:41.000 You don't have to agree with my immigration policies.

00:05:44.000 You don't have to agree with Donald Trump's immigration policies.

00:05:48.000 But if your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell and you have no place in the political conversation of the United States of America.

00:06:01.000 And of course, unfortunately, there have been an enormous number of people who've been demonizing ICE over the course of the past year at minimum.

00:06:08.000 I mean, talking about ICE as though they are Nazis.

00:06:10.000 In fact, just this week, NPR host Maria Hinojosa compared ICE to the Nazis.

00:06:18.000 Black and Latino unity in the city of Chicago will only grow thanks to Donald Trump and his Republican Party.

00:06:25.000 So that is something that he and his Republican Party has feared.

00:06:29.000 That unity of black and brown people coming together.

00:06:34.000 Chicago is a si uh a city of neighborhoods, and we do not like outsiders coming to tell us how to run our city.

00:06:43.000 So this is going to have right now the trauma.

00:06:46.000 I I I posted actually right after that first day on the ground in Chicago.

00:06:50.000 I posted about the fact that there are little Anne Franks, right? 0.99

00:06:55.000 Anne Frank in Chicago.

00:06:57.000 Her name is Anita Franco, and she is terrified.

00:07:00.000 And Senator Villa knows that because those are her constituents.

00:07:04.000 Little girls and boys who are afraid to come out of their homes.

00:07:10.000 Well, you know, again, this sort of rhetoric is very likely to lead to violence.

00:07:14.000 Because when you say that Anne Frank is hiding from the Nazis who are coming for them, well, you know, that is likely to lead to some pretty bad stuff.

00:07:22.000 Just last week, Representative Jasmine Crockett, you'll recall it, played it on the show, compared ICE to slave patrols. 0.68

00:07:28.000 When you keep saying that ICE are Nazis, that ICE are slave patrols, people might get the idea that maybe you should do violence to members of ICE.

00:07:33.000 I mean, this is not like a giant jump.

00:07:35.000 It's not a huge leap.

00:07:36.000 Here she was on the Breakfast Club.

00:07:39.000 It's hard to say that, you know, this is a dictatorship.

00:07:44.000 Even though we're looking at him sending troops to go in and attack Americans, like even though we're seeing that they are unleashing this rogue, um this rogue policing force that, you know, if they taught black history, they would know about slave patrols because when I look at what they are doing with ICE, it looks like slave patrols.

00:08:08.000 And then you've got a Supreme Court that's like, yeah, you can pick them up because of how they look, a how they sound.

00:08:13.000 That sounds like a slave patrol.

00:08:15.000 Like that is what that is what policing was born of.

00:08:20.000 Okay, policing, first of all, was not born of slave patrols.

00:08:23.000 But policing has been a thing in Western civilized countries for legitimately centuries.

00:08:27.000 Constables in Britain were not constables because they were on slave patrol.

00:08:31.000 But this sort of rhetoric does have an impact.

00:08:33.000 Again, I'm not saying Jasmine Crockett is responsible for somebody shooting an ICE agent.

00:08:36.000 Any more than I'm saying that Barack Obama's anti-police rhetoric led to the shooting of Dallas police officers.

00:08:41.000 But if you keep ratcheting up the temperature, if you keep treating people in law enforcement as though they are enemies of the people, as though they are doing the bidding of dark Nazi gods or something.

00:08:53.000 If you do that, people are eventually at the at the fringes going to do acts of violence.

00:08:58.000 Joining me on the line is Jenny Tayer, she is the Daily Wire's immigration reporter.

00:09:02.000 She has new details on what we know about the ICE shooter.

00:09:05.000 Jenny, thanks so much for taking time.

00:09:07.000 Really appreciate it.

00:09:08.000 Thank you for having me.

00:09:11.000 So why don't you give us the background, what we know about the shooter in this case.

00:09:16.000 Obviously, a lot of rumors online.

00:09:17.000 What do we know?

00:09:19.000 Right.

00:09:19.000 So we know that the shooter's name is Joshua John.

00:09:22.000 He's a 29-year-old.

00:09:23.000 He's from Texas, so he's a native to Texas where the shooting occurred.

00:09:28.000 Not much is known other than what he left at the scene of the shooting, which I think revealed a lot.

00:09:33.000 And what FBI director Cash Patel said revealed a real really huge ideological motive here, which were these shell casings that said the words anti-ICE on them that were engraved in those shell casings.

00:09:47.000 Those were left at the scene and recovered by the FBI after he shot into that ICE facility and tragically killed one of the migrant detainees that was being walked into the facility after just being arrested and injured two others.

00:10:01.000 We know this, you know, his targets were actually ICE agents, but he just didn't have good aim, apparently.

00:10:08.000 He was shooting indiscriminately into that facility, uh, and those ICE agents were his targets.

00:10:13.000 Um they were uh loading those individuals into the facility in a sally port.

00:10:19.000 Uh and he also did shoot into the building.

00:10:22.000 He shot into some ICE offices that were thankfully not occupied at the time.

00:10:26.000 There were bullet holes all over the building.

00:10:29.000 Uh we also know that he was uh employed earlier.

00:10:34.000 He was unemployed at the time of the shooting, but he was employed as a uh he was picking marijuana for a living at a time, and he was also uh installing solar panels.

00:10:44.000 His mother also espoused some left-wing ideology online.

00:10:48.000 She had posted some uh anti-Second Amendment posts on Facebook against Texas lawmakers calling them out for supporting gun laws.

00:10:58.000 And uh we know what her son did that day, and apparently he had practice with uh his parents' gun.

00:11:06.000 Now, we also know obviously this is not the first attempt to attack an ICE facility.

00:11:10.000 There have been a multiplicity of attempts to attack ICE facilities, ranging from California to Texas to Yakima, Washington.

00:11:18.000 And at this point, have there been any more details about the shooter that have been sort of put out there?

00:11:23.000 We know obviously that the law enforcement, including the head of the FBI as well as the governor of of Texas, have made mention of his politics.

00:11:31.000 Do we know about his personal politics, aside from what exactly was on the bullets?

00:11:37.000 Right.

00:11:37.000 Obviously, the bullets have been the biggest piece of evidence.

00:11:40.000 His brother, Noah, did speak with reporters yesterday, and he said that he didn't believe that his brother had any strong political ideology and didn't believe that he really had any strong feelings towards ice.

00:11:52.000 Uh so that's really all we know at this point.

00:11:55.000 But like you mentioned, there has just been a string of attacks by left-wing agitators against ICE and not only against ICE right now, but against conservative voices.

00:12:05.000 Two weeks ago, we had the tragic political assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:12:10.000 Now here we are, another ICE facility attack.

00:12:12.000 This is amid an uptick, a thousand percent uptick in assaults on ICE agents.

00:12:17.000 There have been similar attacks at ICE facilities in Texas very recently.

00:12:22.000 Over the summer on July 4th, you had left-wing agitators who lured ICE agents out of a facility in Alvarado, Texas, uh, using fireworks.

00:12:30.000 They came out of the facility, and that's when these agitators, these attackers started shooting at them, spraying bullets in their direction, and actually shot a local police officer in the neck.

00:12:41.000 Uh, some of those individuals actually got away for days before uh law enforcement was able to find them.

00:12:48.000 This is just one instance in a pattern that we're seeing across the country, like you mentioned Yakima, Washington, Los Angeles, what we saw over the summer, where the Trump administration have had to send in soldiers not only to secure the city, not only to protect locals, but also they were there to ride along with ICE as they were continuing to make arrests across the country.

00:13:09.000 So ICE is still going out there as well amid all of this.

00:13:16.000 Well, that is Jenny Tayer. 0.98

00:13:17.000 She's the Daily Wire Immigration Reporter.

00:13:19.000 Jenny, really appreciate the time and the inside.

00:13:22.000 Thank you.

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00:16:02.000 Literally the night before this shooting happened, Gavin Newsom was on Stephen Colbert's terrible show, which is still on the air.

00:16:08.000 It's like a zombie.

00:16:09.000 It's walking beyond its own brain death, the Stephen Colbert show.

00:16:12.000 And Gavin Newsom proceeded to suggest that people need to push back on ICE agents.

00:16:16.000 I mean, if you keep saying this sort of stuff, someone is going to take that literally.

00:16:21.000 That's happening in the United States of America.

00:16:24.000 Masked men jumping out of unmarked cars, people disappearing, no due process, no oversight, zero accountability.

00:16:32.000 Happening in the United States of America today.

00:16:33.000 People ask, well, is authoritarianism you're being hyperbolic?

00:16:37.000 We're being hyperbolic.

00:16:38.000 If you're a black and brown community, it's here in this country. 1.00

00:16:42.000 And so I'm deeply proud that I had the privilege of signing the nation's first bill to address the issue of masking.

00:16:51.000 Also to require you have simple identification.

00:16:54.000 To your point.

00:16:55.000 I mean, if some guy jumped out of an unmarked car in a van with a mask on, tried to grab me.

00:17:00.000 I mean, by definition, you're going to push back.

00:17:03.000 And so this these are not just authoritarian tendencies, these are authoritarian actions by an authoritarian government.

00:17:12.000 Again, if you keep saying these sorts of things over and over and over, it should not be a gigantic shock when people go do acts of violence.

00:17:19.000 And the left has increasingly been doing acts of violence because the rhetoric is so unhinged.

00:17:24.000 One of the big problems in the country right now, perhaps the biggest problem in the country, is that by the polling data, Americans believe that their neighbors are their enemies and the biggest problem facing America is internal.

00:17:34.000 And a lot of that is self-reinforcing.

00:17:36.000 A lot of that is self-perpetuating.

00:17:38.000 If your neighbor says you are their enemy, and then you say, well, if he thinks I'm their his enemy, then he's my enemy.

00:17:45.000 What you end up with is a cycle of partisan polarization that is unbridgeable.

00:17:51.000 And once it becomes unbridgeable, you are in fact effectuating higher levels of hatred and violence.

00:17:56.000 And that is a real thing in the United States.

00:17:58.000 And it's not equally positioned.

00:18:00.000 It is not equally positioned.

00:18:02.000 For my entire lifetime, the political left in this country has basically treated the right as though the right is some form of Nazi offshoot.

00:18:09.000 And if you look at the polling data, actually, what you will see is that things didn't shift for Republicans starting to react to that until around 2013-2014.

00:18:17.000 So for a solid decade and a half, from the time George W. Bush became president in the year 2000, there was a move by the left to demonize Republicans as somehow politically other, as though there was something wrong with them.

00:18:27.000 This is the polling data shows.

00:18:28.000 The Democrats actually didn't just think that their neighbors were wrong, they thought they were morally bad.

00:18:33.000 While Republicans tended to think that their neighbors were more were wrong, but not morally bad.

00:18:37.000 And then all of that started to shift around the second term of Barack Obama.

00:18:41.000 And now both sides think the other side is morally bad.

00:18:44.000 And what that's doing is it's pushing both parties out to fringe rhetoric, but the left is beating the right there.

00:18:52.000 The left has been there for a long time.

00:18:54.000 It's systemically integrated into entire world views.

00:18:57.000 This is why when I've been talking about the permission structures for violence that are generating violence, that are generating things like the assassination, my friend Charlie Kirk.

00:19:04.000 That then when you're creating permission structures, when you create a mental model whereby speech is violence, that people who oppose you are actually actors of deep malicious evil who must be destroyed at any cost, then once you believe that, you're of course going to get higher levels of violence, and that's going to generate a reaction on the other side.

00:19:28.000 I use Gavin Newsom as a model here because Gavin Newsom is playing a two-faced game.

00:19:32.000 Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, he will do a podcast with Charlie and then acknowledge that Charlie was a nice human being and all the rest.

00:19:38.000 But then he will just spew absolute nonsense in public about how the end of the Republic is nigh.

00:19:44.000 So literally yesterday, Gavin Newsom was attacking Trump as an SOB.

00:19:50.000 Here he was, again, on Colbert.

00:19:54.000 This is a tough time, I'm aware.

00:19:57.000 But this a lot of anxiety, a lot of stress, a lot of folks that honestly just don't know we're gonna have to get our country back.

00:20:04.000 And I get it, people this guy is flooding the zone.

00:20:07.000 He's dominating the narratives, facts don't seem to matter.

00:20:10.000 And Democrats, frankly, have had a difficult time pushing back.

00:20:14.000 And Democrats feel that you know, times there's sort of this weakness that dominates our brand and our party.

00:20:20.000 And I think what people appreciate is that we're willing to fight, and not only fight symbolically by having a little bit of fun, but uh fight substantively.

00:20:28.000 We have 41 lawsuits against this.

00:20:30.000 Uh we're pushing back and we're leading it.

00:20:34.000 Now that's kind of normal political rhetoric, I suppose.

00:20:36.000 But the stuff that is not normal is when Gavin Newsom says that if Donald Trump has his way, we'll have Putin-style fake elections.

00:20:43.000 Okay, when you start talking about your like, I don't believe that if Kamala Harris had been elected, that would have been the last election in American history.

00:20:49.000 I didn't believe when Barack Obama was elected in 2012.

00:20:52.000 We were looking at the last election in American history.

00:20:54.000 If you believe that your political opponents will literally end elections in the United States, what are you supposed to do?

00:21:00.000 Especially if you're already somewhat unhinged, you might start to believe that it's time to do some violence.

00:21:06.000 Well, here's Gavin Newsom saying a thing he clearly doesn't believe.

00:21:08.000 He's running for president in 2028.

00:21:10.000 He's clearly getting geared up specifically for that thing.

00:21:13.000 He does not believe there won't be an election in 2028.

00:21:15.000 If he did, then presumably he'd be battening down the hatches for a state versus federal government war along those lines.

00:21:21.000 But he's not doing any of that stuff.

00:21:23.000 It's all nonsense.

00:21:24.000 It's for the people in the cheap seats.

00:21:26.000 But some of those people in the cheap seats, turns out, have guns and want to do bad things.

00:21:29.000 Well, here's Gavin Newsom.

00:21:32.000 I wanted to ask you about uh Prop 50, but before I do that, you you raise a bigger question about like who will win in the midterms, to the idea that perhaps we won't have free and fair and open election.

00:21:45.000 We'll have a Putin. 0.99

00:21:47.000 How would you a Putin type election?

00:21:52.000 And then he says maybe there won't be elections at all in 2028.

00:21:57.000 We got crushed in this last election.

00:21:59.000 And now we're in a position where we are struggling to communicate.

00:22:03.000 We're struggling uh to win back now, the majority uh in the House of Representatives, and that's a big part of what I'm doing, uh, not just today in terms of the work out here uh raising money, but also raising awareness around how Donald Trump is trying to rig the midterm elections and how I fear that we will not have an election in 2028.

00:22:24.000 I really mean that.

00:22:25.000 And the core of my soul, unless we wake up to the code red, what's happening in this country, and we wake up soberly uh to how serious this moment is.

00:22:37.000 Okay, there's only one problem.

00:22:38.000 He doesn't believe that.

00:22:39.000 He simply does not believe that.

00:22:41.000 And yet he continues to promote that.

00:22:42.000 And that's a problem.

00:22:43.000 It's a problem.

00:22:44.000 Whenever you have one side in a country say that if the other side wins an election, the country is legitimately over.

00:22:50.000 It's the end of the country.

00:22:51.000 And then the other side responds with the same thing.

00:22:54.000 Then you basically have a cold civil war.

00:22:56.000 And that is not something that we want here in the United States.

00:22:58.000 And that cold civil war will have violent spillover.

00:23:00.000 It will have people who go and shoot up ice facilities and murder political commentators and try to assassinate presidential candidates.

00:23:06.000 That will be a thing that happens.

00:23:08.000 And again, because Donald Trump has been the great bugaboo in the minds of the left for the last decade minimum, the violence on the left is increasing at a faster pace than it is on the right.

00:23:19.000 But once you enter this cycle, to pretend that it's not going to turn into a cycle is a little bit silly.

00:23:24.000 It likely will.

00:23:25.000 It would be kind of shocking if it doesn't.

00:23:28.000 And by the way, everyone believes this, apparently, in the country.

00:23:31.000 This is maybe the only place where Americans agree is that things are falling apart.

00:23:34.000 According to a brand new Quinipiac university poll, in the wake of the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, 79% of voters say the United States is in political crisis.

00:23:43.000 Only 18% say it is not.

00:23:44.000 Democrats 93 to 6 believe that because Donald Trump is president.

00:23:48.000 Independents, 84 to 14 believe that.

00:23:50.000 Republicans believe it 60 to 35.

00:23:52.000 And the reason Republicans believe that is because they are looking around and seeing political activists who are conservative being shot to death on college campuses.

00:24:00.000 They're looking at attacks on ice facilities.

00:24:01.000 They're looking at riots in Los Angeles.

00:24:04.000 They are looking at entire permission structures created by the left.

00:24:07.000 Nearly six in ten voters, 58%, think it will not be possible to lower the temperature on political rhetoric and speech in the United States.

00:24:14.000 Only 34% think it's possible.

00:24:16.000 A majority of voters, 54%, think political violence in the United States will worsen over the next few years.

00:24:21.000 Only 27% think it will remain about the same.

00:24:23.000 Only 14%, 14% think that it's going to ease.

00:24:28.000 53 to 41.

00:24:30.000 Voters believe that the system of democracy is not working.

00:24:33.000 Republicans think it's working overwhelmingly, because of course Republicans have been winning elections recently.

00:24:38.000 But once you start believing this is such a problem, once you start believing that when you lose elections, the entire system doesn't work.

00:24:45.000 Well, then you're going to resort to violence.

00:24:47.000 Again, this is why the left is so overwhelmingly disproportionately violent at this point in political terms.

00:24:54.000 Okay, well, the other thing that's going to happen when this happens is that there is likely to be blowback.

00:24:59.000 There's likely to be blowback.

00:25:01.000 When I talk about a tit for tat, and it's an it's not just an even tit for tat, it's like an escalating tit for tat.

00:25:06.000 Things are likely to get worse.

00:25:08.000 So for example, there was a table set up at a historically black college and university to debate the issue of DEI.

00:25:18.000 This is something that happened at Tennessee State University.

00:25:23.000 A table was set up, and um immediately, a near riot erupted.

00:25:29.000 Things were stolen.

00:25:30.000 The people who wanted debate were followed to their car.

00:25:33.000 People were shouting black power at them, blocking their exit from campus.

00:25:36.000 The topic, of course, was DEI.

00:25:38.000 Here's what the video looked like.

00:25:40.000 You see people being harassed.

00:25:50.000 Oh my gosh, they threw a drink up top.

00:25:54.000 Oh, whoa, whoa!

00:25:58.000 They just try to hit the car.

00:26:03.000 Whoa.

00:26:04.000 That was loud.

00:26:08.000 Now again, this isn't like extraordinary levels of violence, but it certainly is troublesome.

00:26:13.000 And you could see it spinning out of control the next time.

00:26:16.000 Which it likely will.

00:26:18.000 You know, this sort of stuff is not just a problem.

00:26:21.000 It is a deep problem for the United States.

00:26:23.000 Alrighty, coming up, Jimmy Kimmel is back and kind of worse than ever.

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00:28:33.000 And so the response has been an attempt to preemptively stop the other side.

00:28:40.000 So that started really with the Biden administration.

00:28:44.000 So it has now been made clear that Google censored political speech under pressure from the Biden administration.

00:28:50.000 They've now pledged to reinstate thousands of banned YouTube accounts.

00:28:52.000 In a letter to the House Judiciary Committee, according to Yahoo News, the company stated the administration had pressured it to remove content, despite that content not having violated YouTube's policies.

00:29:01.000 That disclosure followed years of investigation, led by Chairman Jim Jordan.

00:29:05.000 The committee subpoenaed Google earlier this year as part of its inquiry into big tech censorship practices.

00:29:10.000 According to that letter, Google will now allow creators banned for political speech on COVID-19 elections and related issues an opportunity to return to the platform.

00:29:17.000 And the company emphasized, quote, public debate should never come at the expense of relying on authorities.

00:29:22.000 Hugo said it will not rely on third-party fact checkers, quote, we will never use third-party fact checkers.

00:29:26.000 Instead, the company commits to transparency and its own enforcement policies.

00:29:30.000 Well, again, what that has led to, the fact that the Biden administration did that sort of stuff, that they pressured big tech into shutting down informational dissemination.

00:29:38.000 Is it's led to a feeling on the right, okay, well, it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

00:29:42.000 That if the left used the auspices of government power to push forward its own propagandistic beliefs, well, then we should do the same.

00:29:50.000 And this was the question with regard to Jimmy Kimmel.

00:29:53.000 So, Jimmy Kimmel has now returned to the air.

00:29:56.000 I'm going to point out here that Jimmy Kimmel's a schmuck.

00:29:59.000 I thought Jimmy Kimmel's a schmuck for ten odd years.

00:30:02.000 Go back, I have many monologues on this show about the silliness and foolishness and wrongheadedness of Jimmy Kimmel.

00:30:10.000 With that said, the FCC should not be pressuring because of political content, various outlets to stop the dissemination of speech.

00:30:19.000 That is not a good thing.

00:30:21.000 So Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel suspended after a couple of major affiliate networks.

00:30:25.000 Next star and Sinclair decided they didn't want to air his show anymore.

00:30:28.000 And it was totally unclear at the time whether they were doing that because they were offended that Jimmy Kimmel had attacked MAGA and suggested that MAGA was responsible for Charlie Kirk, or whether because they were they were pressured by the FCC.

00:30:40.000 I said, listen, if it was about the ratings, if it was about them being upset and the viewers, totally good.

00:30:44.000 Get rid of Jimmy Kimmel, no problem.

00:30:46.000 If it was because of the FCC, that is a different sort of thing.

00:30:50.000 Well, Jimmy Kimmel returned last night.

00:30:53.000 This is after caterwalling and screams of outrage from the left, who treated the suspension, the temporary suspension of Jimmy Kimmel for like six days, as significantly worse for the country than the actual assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:31:05.000 Jimmy Kimmel began by issuing a quasi-apology, kind of sort of.

00:31:10.000 Here's what he said.

00:31:12.000 I don't think what I have to say is going to make much of a difference if you like me, you like me.

00:31:16.000 If you don't, you don't.

00:31:16.000 I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind.

00:31:19.000 But I do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human, and that is uh you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man.

00:31:30.000 Uh I don't think there's anything funny about it.

00:31:37.000 I I posted a message on Instagram of the Dave's killed, sending love to his family and asking for compassion, and I meant it.

00:31:44.000 I still do.

00:31:45.000 Uh nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual.

00:31:53.000 That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make, but I understand that to some that felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both.

00:32:00.000 And for those who think I did uh point a finger, I get why you're upset.

00:32:05.000 If the situation was reversed, there's a good chance I'd have felt the same way.

00:32:11.000 Okay, so it's sort of a quasi-apology.

00:32:13.000 So give it you get half credit for the for the quasi-apology.

00:32:15.000 I mean, the reason people thought that he was blaming MAGA is because he fairly clearly blamed MAGA in the actual segment.

00:32:22.000 He said MAGA was trying to blame anyone but themselves, anyone but MAGA for the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

00:32:28.000 So I mean it was pretty clear what he was doing there.

00:32:30.000 But okay.

00:32:31.000 And then he proceeded to praise Erica Kirk.

00:32:34.000 Here was Jimmy Kimmel last night.

00:32:37.000 A moment over the weekend, a very beautiful moment.

00:32:40.000 I don't know if you saw this on Sunday, Erica Kirk forgave the man who shot her husband.

00:32:46.000 She forgave him.

00:32:48.000 That is an example we should follow.

00:32:52.000 If you believe in the teachings of Jesus as I do, there it was.

00:33:00.000 That's that's it.

00:33:02.000 A selfless act of grace, forgiveness from a grieving widow.

00:33:07.000 It touched me deeply.

00:33:10.000 And I hope it touches money.

00:33:15.000 And if there's anything we should take from this tragedy to carry forward, I hope it can be that.

00:33:22.000 Okay, well, again, yeah, credit for giving credit to Erica Kirk, who again gave one of the great speeches I've ever seen, given the circumstances surrounding it.

00:33:28.000 Kimmel then went on to thank pretty much everybody on the right who wasn't a fan of the FCC going after political speech.

00:33:34.000 Here's what he had to say.

00:33:36.000 Maybe most of all, I want to thank the people who don't support my show and what I believe, but support my right to share those beliefs anyway.

00:33:49.000 Well, I never would have imagined like Ben Shapiro, Clay, Travis, Candace Owens, Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, even my old pal Ted Cruz.

00:34:01.000 Okay, so I mean, not your welcome, really?

00:34:05.000 I mean, like again, I I'm still unclear as to whether he was suspended in the first place because of the FCC or because it turns out that affiliates were justly outraged.

00:34:13.000 I'm not a fan of the FCC intervening.

00:34:15.000 I am a fan of affiliates getting mad when they don't like exactly what they are seeing, and then there being some results.

00:34:21.000 The big problem here, of course, has been the perception, and this is a problem.

00:34:25.000 If you're worried about the partisan breakdown of the United States or the feeling democracy isn't working, if you start believing, as the writers believed for a long time, if you believe that all the auspices of government are raided against you for political reasons and that the law is being skewed in order to achieve political results, you're not going to trust the system.

00:34:43.000 This is why I was upset with the FCC.

00:34:45.000 This is why I didn't think that Brandon Carr's commentary was useful here, because if the affiliates just made the call, everybody's celebrating Jimmy Kimmel going away today.

00:34:52.000 And he's probably still off the air.

00:34:54.000 But instead, Jimmy Kimmel is back specifically because of the muddying of the waters with regards to the system.

00:34:59.000 President Trump put out a statement, quote, I can't believe ABC fake news gave Jimmy Kimmel his job back.

00:35:03.000 The White House was told by ABC that his show was canceled.

00:35:05.000 Something happened between then and now because his audience is gone and his talent was never there.

00:35:09.000 Why would they want someone back who does so poorly, who's not funny, who puts the network in jeopardy by playing 99% positive Democrat garbage?

00:35:15.000 He's yet another arm of the DNC, and to the best of my knowledge, that would be a major illegal campaign contribution.

00:35:20.000 I think we're gonna test ABC out on this.

00:35:21.000 Let's see how they do.

00:35:22.000 Last time I went after them, they gave me 16 million dollars.

00:35:24.000 This one sounds even more lucrative.

00:35:26.000 A true bunch of losers, let Jimmy Kimmel rot in his bad ratings.

00:35:29.000 Now, again, I agree with the sentiment that he's that he thinks Jimmy Kimmel stinks.

00:35:32.000 I've been saying Jimmy Kimmel stinks longer than Donald Trump thinks that Jimmy Kimmel stinks.

00:35:36.000 Like literally, the entire time Jimmy Kimmel's been on the air.

00:35:39.000 But when you grant the patina of legitimacy to the argument that there is a government shutdown of speech going on, that is a mistake.

00:35:46.000 You see the vice president J.D. Vance actually trying to back away from that.

00:35:49.000 He says that Trump's FCC commissioner, quasi-threatening Jimmy Kimmel, that that was actually a joke.

00:35:56.000 Well, people will say is, well, you know, didn't the FCC commissioner put a tweet out that said something bad.

00:36:01.000 Well, Kit, compare that.

00:36:04.000 The FCC commissioner making a joke on social media.

00:36:08.000 What is the government action that the Trump administration has engaged in to kick Jimmy Kimmel or anybody off else off the air?

00:36:15.000 Zero.

00:36:15.000 What government pressure have we brought to bear to tell people that they're not allowed to speak their mind?

00:36:20.000 Zero.

00:36:21.000 We believe in free speech in the Trump administration.

00:36:23.000 We are fighting every single day to protect it.

00:36:28.000 Okay, so if it was a joke, it was it was not a particularly good one since the FCC commissioner then went on a bunch of other shows and said that he was interested in using the public interest provision of FCC law to go after things like The View.

00:36:41.000 Okay, I understand.

00:36:45.000 I understand the impulse.

00:36:46.000 I do.

00:36:46.000 I get it.

00:36:47.000 I get it.

00:36:47.000 The Democrats did a lot of this stuff when they were in office, and the idea is also not just the Democrats did this stuff, and so we will do a mutually assured destruction thing where they do X and we also do X, so everyone will stop doing X. Something else is happening here.

00:36:59.000 What is happening here, and Democrats have been doing it for a while, and now Republicans are picking it up as well, is Democrats do a bad thing.

00:37:04.000 Republicans then say if they had the power, they would do an even worse thing.

00:37:08.000 And so we are going to now break the next thing because if we don't, they're gonna get in power and they're gonna do the same thing to us.

00:37:14.000 Once you have that level of mutual distrust in our politics, it is impossible for that spiral to stop.

00:37:21.000 Because otherwise, if you forego the tools of power, you're just a fool.

00:37:24.000 And the problem is Democrats keep doubling down on the rhetoric.

00:37:26.000 They keep making it clear that if they do get the power, they are going to do the worst thing.

00:37:31.000 They are going to do that.

00:37:34.000 None of this is a recipe for decency, none of this is a recipe for a healthy body politic.

00:37:40.000 All of it is a major, major problem.

00:37:44.000 Here's another example.

00:37:45.000 So apparently, according to MSNBC, former FBI director James Comey will be indicted soon in a Virginia federal court.

00:37:52.000 Apparently, he's going to be indicted based on testimony that he gave in September of 2020.

00:37:59.000 According to an MSNBC reporter named Ken Delanian, he said the full extent of the charges being prepared against Comey is unclear, but sources believe at least one element of the indictment, if it goes forward, will accuse him of lying to Congress during his testimony on September 30th, 2020 about whether he authorized a leak of information.

00:38:17.000 Okay, so what that goes back to is a story in which James Comey basically gave a bunch of his special super duper secret notes about Donald Trump to a friend, and that friend somehow gave them to the New York Times, and then he claimed that he had no idea they were going to be leaked to the New York Times, which is totally, totally implausible.

00:38:35.000 At the very very best.

00:38:36.000 According to the New York Post, the five-year statute of limitations on bringing perjury charges would be next Tuesday, but prosecutors are expected to seek the grand jury indictment before then, according to people who are familiar.

00:38:47.000 Now, again, I don't have a problem with any of that.

00:38:48.000 If James Comey committed perjury, then they should prosecute him.

00:38:53.000 Obviously.

00:38:54.000 And clearly, the big problem is that President Trump literally last week put out something on Truth Social saying that he wants Comey, Adam Schiff and Letitia James all prosecuted.

00:39:05.000 That if Pam Bonney didn't do that, she was somehow betraying the trust of the people.

00:39:10.000 If the president is just naming political enemies and saying he wants them prosecuted, of course, that's going to undercut the public perception of the legitimacy of the investigation, even if the investigation is totally legit.

00:39:21.000 That is a major problem.

00:39:22.000 Right.

00:39:23.000 And yes, it's true.

00:39:24.000 Donald Trump was targeted politically.

00:39:27.000 Yes, that's true.

00:39:28.000 And it was wrong.

00:39:29.000 And we shouldn't be using the DOJ in that way.

00:39:32.000 And the levels of mistrust in our politics are so unbelievably high right now that it's justifying activity that is only going to lead to the next deeper layer of mistrust on a systemic level.

00:39:42.000 And that remains a gigantic problem in our politics.

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00:41:54.000 Alrighty, meanwhile, the Trump administration has now made an announcement with regard to autism.

00:41:58.000 So RFK Jr. made it as Secretary of Health and Human Services, one of his big priorities to try to discover the cause of autism.

00:42:06.000 Apparently, there's something like 800 different genetic markers for autism.

00:42:10.000 So it's a very complex disorder at the very least.

00:42:12.000 Well, President Trump made an announcement suggesting that the use of Tylenol during pregnancy could be associated with a very increased risk of autism.

00:42:21.000 So here is what President Trump had to say.

00:42:23.000 This is on Tuesday afternoon.

00:42:26.000 Acetaminophen.

00:42:30.000 Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism.

00:42:43.000 So taking Tylenol is uh not good.

00:42:50.000 All right, I'll say it.

00:42:51.000 It's not good.

00:42:53.000 Okay, taking Tylenol is not good.

00:42:55.000 That is far too broad a statement, medically speaking.

00:42:57.000 Okay, this is Monday afternoon, rather, when when President Trump made this statement.

00:43:01.000 Okay, so I just want to talk about the medical evidence here.

00:43:03.000 So the medical evidence here suggests that there is a correlation between long-term taking of Tylenol, possibly.

00:43:12.000 I say possibly, and possibly some risk in the increase of autism, although it may be small.

00:43:18.000 The problem here is that it's very hard to dissociate the use of acetamedophant Tylenol from fever.

00:43:24.000 You take acetaminophen for a fever.

00:43:27.000 So if you have fever during pregnancy, that could do damage to the fetus.

00:43:30.000 Everyone understands that.

00:43:31.000 There are wide variety of damages that emerge from high fever during pregnancy.

00:43:34.000 The problem is there is literally no treatment for women with high fever.

00:43:38.000 That is pregnancy safe, other than Tylenol if recommended by a doctor.

00:43:44.000 This is why women who are pregnant don't use Advil, for example, to bring down their fever, it's a risk to the fetus. 0.94

00:43:49.000 So the problem becomes if you tell everybody you're not allowed to use Tylenol when you have a fever, you end up actually spiking a fever, and that fever does damage to the baby.

00:43:56.000 So the question becomes this is why you ought to ask your doctor, when is a low-grade fever not dangerous to the baby?

00:44:03.000 When is a high grade fever so dangerous you should take Tylenol?

00:44:05.000 And also, what is the term where using acetamenophen becomes actually dangerous?

00:44:10.000 Because what you will notice that even the FDA guidance, even the FDA guidance suggests chronic and prolonged use of Tylenol is a problem.

00:44:17.000 Chronic and prolonged use, okay?

00:44:19.000 What does that mean?

00:44:20.000 That might mean a week, it might be two weeks, three weeks.

00:44:22.000 So taking one dose of Tylenol isn't going to do it, but President Trump is out there saying that you shouldn't take Tylenol at all, which is of course beyond what even members of his own administration are saying.

00:44:31.000 So Dr. Oz actually softened the warning.

00:44:34.000 Here's what Dr. Oz had to say.

00:44:37.000 If you have a high fever, as you point out, if you've got significant issues of that nature, you ought to be talking to a doctor anyway because the cause of the high fever is worrisome.

00:44:45.000 The doctor's almost certainly going to prescribe you something.

00:44:47.000 Tylenol might be one of the things they give.

00:44:49.000 That's not the problem.

00:44:51.000 The problem is someone has a low-grade fever.

00:44:53.000 It's not a big issue, but you know, why not?

00:44:55.000 I'll just pop an extra acetamine.

00:44:57.000 Or if they gotta they stub their toe, they have a little pain.

00:45:00.000 And so I'm gonna take some acetaminophen for that, because why not?

00:45:03.000 It's safe.

00:45:04.000 And we want to warn you, we don't know that's true.

00:45:06.000 It might be true, but we don't know that's true, and there's lots of literature that would cast doubt on the assumption that you should be taking acetaminophen willy-nilly.

00:45:16.000 Okay, so I'm not sure who is taking acetomenophon willy-nilly.

00:45:19.000 You really shouldn't be doing that, obviously.

00:45:21.000 People in trafficking around a 2017 post in which Tylenol said it's not recommended for pregnant women.

00:45:27.000 That's a little out of context in the sense that it's not like you shouldn't just take it willy-nilly over the counter.

00:45:31.000 They said we actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant.

00:45:34.000 Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns today.

00:45:36.000 You're supposed to go to a doctor.

00:45:37.000 A doctor is supposed to tell you whether to take Tylenol or not.

00:45:40.000 So I actually asked our friends and sponsors over at Comet, which is a project of perplexity.

00:45:44.000 What do the best studies show regarding Tylenol and its correlation with autism?

00:45:48.000 And here's what they say.

00:45:49.000 The largest and high-quality studies, those especially those using rigorous methods like comparing siblings have not found convincing evidence that acetomenophine used during pregnancy causes autism in children.

00:45:59.000 Large-scale studies from Sweden and Japan using sibling controls, which account for genetics and family environment, found no association between Tylenol exposure during pregnancy and autism risk.

00:46:08.000 Meta-analyses and systematic reviews show that studies indicating an association generally report very small risk increases.

00:46:15.000 Many have been criticized for failing to fully account for confounding factors like the underlying illnesses, like for example, a fever that you're going to get without that in place.

00:46:24.000 For example, without any use of Tylenol.

00:46:26.000 Bottom line, says comment, there's currently no definitive evidence that taking Tylenol during pregnancy causes autism in children.

00:46:32.000 Pregnant individuals should not avoid acetamenophil when needed for painter fever, but should use it as recommended by healthcare providers.

00:46:38.000 And of course, that is the ask your doctor that you got from Dr. Oz.

00:46:40.000 Here's Fox News' Dr. Mark Siegel pouring cold water all over this.

00:46:44.000 Does acetominophen during pregnancy cause autism?

00:46:48.000 People out there need to know there's absolutely no proof whatsoever that that's the case.

00:46:53.000 We distinguish between something called an association and something called proof or a cause and effect.

00:47:00.000 It's possible, due to some studies, that excess use of acetominophen could lead to neurodevelopmental problems like autism, because the fetus, if you think about it, doesn't have a fully developed liver, and that's where the Tylenol goes.

00:47:16.000 It goes to the liver to be metabolized.

00:47:18.000 Again, a reason why I'm saying take less of it.

00:47:21.000 But we're far away from any proof here, and women who are pregnant need to get that fever down. 1.00

00:47:26.000 That's why I think the reaction has been excessive on the side of caution here.

00:47:31.000 Senate GOP leader John Thune, he said the same thing.

00:47:35.000 He says he's very concerned about the RFK Jr. claims on Tylenol and autism.

00:47:41.000 I'm I'm obviously very concerned about that.

00:47:43.000 I am a father and a grandfather, and uh just have as of about seven months ago, uh, a newborn uh grandson.

00:47:50.000 So obviously um pregnant, thank you.

00:47:54.000 Pregnant moms is something I have a uh a very high uh level of interest in. 1.00

00:47:58.000 And and I do, I agree.

00:48:00.000 I think that science ought to guide these discussions, these conversations, and our decision making around uh our health.

00:48:07.000 There are studies out there that they reference, but again, I think there are an awful lot of people in the medical community who come to a different conclusion about the use of Tylenol.

00:48:15.000 Go talk to your doctor, okay?

00:48:17.000 Please go talk to your doctor.

00:48:18.000 Your doctor is going to give you good advice about Tylenol and when to use it.

00:48:24.000 Okay.

00:48:25.000 Bottom line, your doctor knows more than I do.

00:48:27.000 Your doctor knows more than President Trump does.

00:48:29.000 Because your doctor has been dealing with pregnancy and Tylenol for a very, very long time.

00:48:34.000 And there are many, many studies that have been done on this particular topic.

00:48:37.000 Follow the data.

00:48:38.000 Follow the data.

00:48:39.000 Okay, meanwhile, President Trump spoke at the UN.

00:48:43.000 Honestly, I thought it was great.

00:48:44.000 I thought that his speech at the UN was terrific.

00:48:47.000 There's a bit of controversy because he got on an escalator and it didn't work.

00:48:51.000 And then apparently his teleprompter froze up while he was speaking on Tuesday.

00:48:58.000 Here he was at the at the escalator, going up the escalator.

00:49:01.000 Apparently, people are now claiming a member of his own staff accidentally hit the stop button on the escalator.

00:49:06.000 President Trump is trying to initiate an investigation into what happened here, whether this was an attempt to sort of humiliate him and make him look bad.

00:49:13.000 Do you still believe in the U.S.?

00:49:15.000 What's your message to countries recognizing Kalispell?

00:49:20.000 He gets on the elevator and the elevator just kind of stops.

00:49:22.000 President Trump, why did you cancel the media to charge you?

00:49:25.000 Okay, well, he says he's going to initiate an investigation into that.

00:49:32.000 He also was speaking at the U.N. His teleprompter just stopped working.

00:49:35.000 And it's a little weird when all of this is happening at once.

00:49:37.000 I certainly understand the suspicion from President Trump, who isn't exactly welcome at the United Nations, the most highly of international politics, a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

00:49:48.000 And I don't mind making this speech without a teleprompter, because the teleprompter is not working.

00:49:59.000 I feel very happy to be up here with you, nevertheless.

00:50:03.000 And that way you speak more from the heart.

00:50:06.000 I can only say that whoever's operating this teleprompter is in big trouble.

00:50:12.000 Well, By the way, the right approach there from President Trump.

00:50:18.000 Now, I will say his speech with the UN was great.

00:50:20.000 Because the UN is terrible.

00:50:21.000 We should defund it.

00:50:22.000 We should get rid of it.

00:50:22.000 We should blow up the building, salt the earth, and then build a Trump tower on it.

00:50:26.000 Honestly, the UN is one of the worst inventions that humanity has had to offer.

00:50:29.000 It's a terrible idea.

00:50:30.000 It was a terrible idea when it was the League of Nations.

00:50:31.000 It was a terrible idea when it was the United Nations.

00:50:33.000 It is a joke.

00:50:34.000 It is ridiculous that we pretend that countries like Zimbabwe and Iran ought to have a say in how global policy is made.

00:50:40.000 It's silly.

00:50:41.000 The UN Security Council is a complete useless bag of nonsense, given the fact that you have China and Russia on there, both of whom are going to veto anything useful.

00:50:49.000 It's truly a silly place.

00:50:53.000 Now I wish you'd go all the way and just defund the damn thing.

00:50:58.000 It's too bad that I had to do these things instead of the United Nations doing them.

00:51:05.000 And sadly, in all cases, the United Nations did not even try to help in any of them.

00:51:13.000 I ended seven wars, dealt with the leaders of each and every one of these countries, and never even received a phone call from the United Nations offering to help in finalizing the deal.

00:51:28.000 President Trump also said the UN has never lived up to its potential.

00:51:31.000 That, of course, is true. 0.83

00:51:32.000 Well, it's a fantastic role in peacekeeping.

00:51:35.000 It should be great.

00:51:36.000 I mean, we shouldn't have any wars if the UN is really doing its job.

00:51:40.000 I know they were involved originally with Russia-Ukraine, and that didn't get done because that was the time to stop it.

00:51:46.000 But uh no, it's it's a it's fan I I always say about the UN fantastic potential, but it's all about the people.

00:51:55.000 You know, you could have a wonderful concept, but if you don't have the people, uh the UN has never lived up to its potential.

00:52:03.000 But I'm the example of it.

00:52:04.000 We do all these wars, and we weren't helped by the UN.

00:52:07.000 We weren't hurt by them, but we weren't helped.

00:52:09.000 They didn't do anything.

00:52:11.000 And they're supposed to be solving these problems.

00:52:16.000 Okay.

00:52:16.000 Meanwhile, he suggested quite properly that the UN has been funding an assault on Western countries and their borders.

00:52:21.000 That of course is true as well.

00:52:23.000 And the UN is deeply involved with the influx of third world refugees into European countries.

00:52:32.000 Also, it's the UN refugee works agency, the UN RWA, which is essentially a funding arm of Hamas.

00:52:39.000 Not only is the UN not solving the problems it should too often, it's actually creating new problems for us to solve.

00:52:46.000 The best example is the number one political issue of our time, the crisis of uncontrolled migration.

00:52:53.000 It's uncontrolled.

00:52:55.000 Your countries are being ruined.

00:52:58.000 The United Nations is funding an assault on Western countries and their borders.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, well, he's not wrong about that.

00:53:08.000 The president also saved some of hisire for the Europeans.

00:53:10.000 He said, you guys are destroying your own continent, that you're invaded by people who hate your continent, and then you basically treat it as nothing.

00:53:17.000 And also, you guys keep pushing green energy scams that are destroying your energy independence.

00:53:22.000 He's right about both of these things, obviously.

00:53:24.000 Here he was talking about Europe your European immigration problems.

00:53:31.000 They've been invaded by a force of illegal aliens like nobody's ever seen before. 1.00

00:53:37.000 Illegal aliens are pouring into Europe.

00:53:39.000 Nobody is ever, and nobody's doing anything to change it to get them out.

00:53:45.000 It's not sustainable.

00:53:47.000 And because they choose to be politically correct, they're doing just absolutely nothing about it.

00:53:56.000 And I have to say, I look at London where You have a terrible mayor, terrible, terrible mayor.

00:54:03.000 And it's been so changed.

00:54:05.000 So changed.

00:54:07.000 Now they want to go to Sharia Law.

00:54:11.000 But you're in a different country.

00:54:13.000 You can't do that.

00:54:14.000 Both the immigration and their suicidal energy ideas will be the death of Western Europe. 1.00

00:54:20.000 If something is not done immediately, they cannot.

00:54:24.000 This cannot be sustained.

00:54:28.000 He is right about that.

00:54:29.000 He is also right that when you destroy your own economy on behalf of a specious threat of global warming that you're not going to be able to control anyway, all you're doing is handing power to the wrong people.

00:54:39.000 Here he was slamming the left for their green energy scam.

00:54:44.000 It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world, in my opinion.

00:54:49.000 Climate change, no matter what happens, you're involved in that.

00:54:53.000 No more global warming, no more global cooling.

00:54:56.000 All of these predictions made by the United Nations and many others, often for bad reasons, were wrong.

00:55:04.000 They were made by stupid people that have cost their country's fortunes, and given those same countries no chance for success.

00:55:12.000 If you don't get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail. 1.00

00:55:20.000 I mean, President Trump is the best foreign policy president of my lifetime at Barnon.

00:55:23.000 That is absolutely clear.

00:55:24.000 By the way, he is also now making comments with regards to Ukraine that I think are totally well founded.

00:55:31.000 He's saying, listen, if Russia won't come to the table, then we're going to fund Ukraine sufficient, not only so they can defend themselves, but they can take back territory.

00:55:38.000 Apparently there have been some intelligence reports suggesting that Russia is not only weak economically, but militarily, they're rather hollow at this point.

00:55:44.000 Here is President Trump saying that the Russian economy is falling apart and Ukraine is actually doing a great job defending itself.

00:55:49.000 Well, the biggest progress is that the Russian economy is terrible right now.

00:55:55.000 As you know, it's crashing.

00:55:56.000 And that, frankly, Ukraine is doing a very good job of stopping this very large army.

00:56:05.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:56:06.000 You know, this is a war that should have ended in three days, four days.

00:56:09.000 People said it was going to be very quick, and you gotta hand it to the Ukrainian soldiers and everybody involved.

00:56:15.000 It's still going on, and that's yeah, that's not a good thing for Russia.

00:56:19.000 This was supposed to be quick.

00:56:22.000 President Trump also added that NATO countries, there have been a bunch of NATO countries, Poland, they're even talking about drones in Denmark, that Estonia, that NATO countries are seeing Russian aircraft invade their space.

00:56:35.000 President Trump said, Listen, if if n NATO airspace is invaded by Russian aircraft, they should be shot down.

00:56:43.000 Do you think that NATO countries should shoot down Russian aircraft if they enter their airspace?

00:56:49.000 Yes, I do.

00:56:52.000 Good for President Trump.

00:56:53.000 Seriously, good for President Trump.

00:56:55.000 Again, President Trump had heterodox ideas about Ukraine and Russia entering office, and that's fine. 0.97

00:56:59.000 And you tried a bunch of things, and that's fine too.

00:57:01.000 If you come to the right conclusion, you end up in the right place.

00:57:04.000 That's the thing that matters more than anything.

00:57:06.000 I've said before, President Trump is heterodox but responsive to political incentives and to realities on the ground.

00:57:10.000 That's what's happened with Russia, Ukraine.

00:57:13.000 Joining me online is Mary Margaret Olahan, Taylor Weyer, White House correspondent.

00:57:17.000 She's had a lot going on over the course of the last week or so.

00:57:20.000 Want to check in with her.

00:57:24.000 Thanks so much for having me, Ben.

00:57:28.000 So obviously this week you broke an enormous story about the identity of the attempted Kavanaugh shooter.

00:57:34.000 Obviously, we have now seen a spate in trans-identified or trans-adjacent crime, and it turns out that the Kavanaugh story may be one of those stories.

00:57:44.000 Exactly, Ben.

00:57:45.000 We broke this story that the man who attempted to kill Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who is arrested in Kavanaugh's neighborhood, right outside his house.

00:57:54.000 Thankfully, because federal authorities were stationed there to protect him.

00:57:57.000 That man now we know identifies as transgender, and we know this because we reported last Friday that his defense attorneys are calling him Sophie and referring to him as she her.

00:58:08.000 Uh, that came out recently.

00:58:10.000 We had a little bit of a hint a few years ago that this, this attempted killer might identify in this manner.

00:58:16.000 Uh, we saw that online he was referring to himself as a woman in some of these game reforms, but we didn't have concrete proof until we got these filings from the defense attorney and we learned it for the first time.

00:58:27.000 Now the department of justice is seeking 30 years for this man who did attempt to kill a Supreme court justice.

00:58:33.000 We know he was deeply mentally ill.

00:58:35.000 He said so himself.

00:58:36.000 And thankfully he didn't kill Kavanaugh because his sister called him and intervened.

00:58:40.000 Uh, and he ultimately turned himself into authorities, but he did travel from California to California.

00:58:45.000 to Maryland, got off at Dulles International Airport, which many of us know very well, and drove in a cab with all kinds of tools intended to sneak into Kavanaugh's house to restrain him, to kill him, and potentially kill his family as well.

00:58:58.000 So this story, I mean, we followed it so closely.

00:59:01.000 Ben, uh, you know, I know Daily Wire has cared so much about all of these proceedings from the overturn of Roe, the protesting outside the homes of the justices, and now three years later to find this out in the midst of this absolute epidemic of leftist violence and specifically transgender violence is just incredibly scary and concerning. 0.55

00:59:19.000 And I know it's something that I've been asking the president about a lot.

00:59:22.000 I've been asking Caroline Levitt about it.

00:59:24.000 I know that you have been vocal and Matt Walsh has been vocal, and it's really something on all of our minds right now.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, obviously the permission structures for violence that the left has been creating are bearing some pretty hideous fruit and the willingness to overlook people who are severely mentally ill and pretend that actually it's just society's fault.

00:59:41.000 Uh that's having some pretty severe consequences.

00:59:43.000 Mary Margaret, you also attended the memorial for Charlie Kirk.

00:59:47.000 Actually, flew on Air Force One to that memorial uh for for Charlie.

00:59:50.000 What was that experience like well, Ben, it was an honor to be there.

00:59:55.000 I was uh it was a privilege to be there.

00:59:57.000 I uh was was blessed to be able to travel in the pool with the president, so we got to fly on Air Force One with him up to the event to the memorial, and then on the way down as well, back here same day on Sunday.

01:00:09.000 Uh the then the memorial itself was incredibly moving.

01:00:13.000 I was down there on the floor and you know, just walking in.

01:00:16.000 We we came in the back uh as kind of the president and the some of the speakers did.

01:00:20.000 Um we're able to avoid a lot of these long lines.

01:00:23.000 And as we came in, the press and the photographers um we burst through this curtain and just everyone around us was singing and uh, you know, remembering and honoring Charlie.

01:00:33.000 And you know, I didn't know him incredibly well.

01:00:35.000 I did interview him a few times, and I just the whole day was incredibly emotional for me to just see how all these people, even if they didn't know Charlie, they loved him so much and they want to honor his memory.

01:00:45.000 Uh and of course, the the memorial had so many amazing speakers.

01:00:49.000 We had the president of the United States, we had JD Vance, but I think of course the highlight and the most moving part to everyone, and I know I think you talked about this on your show earlier this week, was Erica and her act of forgiveness to her husband's killer.

01:01:01.000 So uh it was it was like I said, an honor to be there.

01:01:04.000 And we were able to ask the president some questions about the memorial on the way back.

01:01:08.000 He gaggled on Air Force One, and uh, you know, I asked him about reuniting with Elon and whether Charlie had an impact on bringing them back together.

01:01:16.000 Uh and he talked about Elon and their relationship and some of the upcoming events that he thinks that they'll participate in together.

01:01:22.000 I also asked him about our story about Kavanaugh on this attempted assassin.

01:01:27.000 And he said that he does believe that transgender violence should be looked into, but he was cautious in saying that we can't say anything definitive on it yet, uh, which I think is, you know, um smart on the part of the president.

01:01:37.000 He doesn't want to jump the gun, he wants to make sure that he has all the facts before he jumps to any conclusions.

01:01:42.000 But I did also ask Caroline Levitt about this this story and about these incidents of violence during the press briefing earlier this week.

01:01:50.000 And she said that anyone that's denying this pattern uh is willfully ignorant or willfully blind.

01:01:55.000 And she said that the White House is looking into it, federal authorities are looking into it, and I think we'll have more answers on that soon.

01:02:03.000 Well, Mary Margaret and Breder News, you also had the opportunity to go to an air base and actually visit the stealth B-2 bomber that were actually used in the in the Trump administration's destruction of the Iranian nuclear facilities, which is a very cool thing.

01:02:15.000 Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?

01:02:18.000 Yeah, Ben, this was so much fun, and and it it was a really cool project in the midst of so much sadness.

01:02:24.000 You know, we filmed this before.

01:02:26.000 Um we learned that Charlie had been so so brutally taken from us.

01:02:30.000 And so, you know, it came out on Monday.

01:02:32.000 This was when the embargo lifted, and uh it was such a cool opportunity to go to Whiteman Air Force Base with my boss Brancher.

01:02:39.000 We had so much fun.

01:02:40.000 We were running around like two little kids in a candy store, looking at these B-2s, getting to go in a simulator and fly it and try and uh, you know, refuel midair, which to spoiler alert, we were not able to do.

01:02:51.000 Um, we also tried to land, we were not able to do that.

01:02:54.000 But just to speak with some of these military commanders, Colonel Kennish, Colonel Whittelah, to hear about how they they really assisted with this mission, uh, to hear about how the pilots flew back and their families were all waiting for them on the base after they had successfully completed Operation Midnight Hammer and struck the Iranian nuclear plants.

01:03:13.000 Uh It's just so amazing, fills us with so much respect for these pilots, but for also all the other people involved in this mission.

01:03:19.000 You know, the crew that loads the bombs, the people that plan out the mission, the commanders, the colonels, all these people.

01:03:25.000 And to see the actual planes, you know, these are some of the most secretive and some of the most uh brilliant planes that we have in the world.

01:03:33.000 And the United States has them.

01:03:35.000 So it filled me with a lot of respect and awe for our military.

01:03:38.000 And it was so much fun to film.

01:03:39.000 And I hope everyone can watch it.

01:03:40.000 I know you aired it on your show earlier this week, and we thought that was pretty cool.

01:03:44.000 So we hope everyone gets the chance to see it and to also uh understand just what our military did uh in June of this year and why this was such an important mission.

01:03:54.000 That's Mary Margaret O'Lahan.

01:03:56.000 She's our Daily Wire White House correspondents with a fabulous job, Mary Margaret, really appreciate the time.

01:04:01.000 Thank you, Ben.

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