The Ben Shapiro Show - Obama CONSPIRACY To Undermine Trump’s Presidency?

00:00:00.000 Alrighty, folks, a ton coming up on today's show.

00:00:02.000 Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI, says that Barack Obama basically treasonously conspired to undermine the Trump administration.

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00:00:34.000 So Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has now put out a memo, a very lengthy memo, spelling out what she says is essentially a conspiracy by the Obama administration to undermine the incoming Trump presidency.

00:00:47.000 This would have begun, according to Tulsi Gabbard, in December of 2016.

00:00:52.000 Now, as we know, there was absolutely an ongoing attempt by the Hillary Clinton campaign in cahoots with members of the intelligence community to essentially mainline into that intelligence community, into the FBI, into the various institutions of the national government, the Russia Gate investigation, right?

00:01:10.000 We know about this.

00:01:10.000 We know Fusion GPS was initiated in cahoots with the Hillary Clinton campaign, that the material for that was then pushed into the intelligence community where it rose to the level of the FBI director, James Comey, and turned into a four-year-long investigation of Donald Trump and Russia.

00:01:25.000 That, of course, we already know.

00:01:26.000 But Tulsi Gabbard is saying something else.

00:01:28.000 She's essentially saying that Barack Obama was directly implicated in a scheme to overlook the actual intelligence when it came to Russia's interference in the 2016 election, that Obama himself and people very close to him essentially said that they were going to redo the intelligence analysis to come up with the answer that Russia had effectuated Trump's victory.

00:01:48.000 So here is the memo that she put out.

00:01:50.000 She put out this memo, of course, just a couple of days ago.

00:01:54.000 The timeline of events, as evidenced by the attached documents, is as follows, says the memo.

00:01:58.000 Key intelligence manipulated and withheld from the American people by the intelligence community, the IC, before the election.

00:02:05.000 August 31st, 2016, a Department of Homeland Security official tells former DNI James Clapper there was, quote, no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count.

00:02:15.000 September 2nd, 2016, the FBI requests for the whistleblower's pre-election assessment on alleged Russian election activity in the upcoming pre-election ICA to be softened, given the FBI was uncomfortable implying there was definitive information that Russia does intend to disrupt our election.

00:02:30.000 September 9th, just a week later, an ODNI and PDB official says that an upcoming PDB, that's a presidential daily briefing, should make clear that Russia, quote, probably is not trying to influence the election by using cyber means to target election infrastructure.

00:02:43.000 Several IC officials agree.

00:02:45.000 Okay, fast forward to September 12th, 2016, just a few days later, the IC publishes an intelligence community assessment, ICA, on cyber threats to the election.

00:02:55.000 The report finds, quote, foreign adversaries do not have and probably will not obtain the capabilities to successfully execute widespread and undetected cyber attacks on election infrastructure.

00:03:05.000 And a couple of days later, the IC actually published the aforementioned presidential daily briefing with near identical findings.

00:03:11.000 October 7th, very similar story.

00:03:14.000 The ODNI and DHS suppress that September intelligence finding in their press release that said with confidence the Russian government had directed the DNC and DCCC hacks.

00:03:24.000 Their statement omitted the fact that the FBI and NSA had low confidence in attributing the data leaks from those entities to Russia.

00:03:30.000 And then, of course, November 6th, 2016, Trump wins the election.

00:03:32.000 Okay, so in the lead up to the election, the IC keeps saying over and over and over that there is no hard information and that the Russians are manipulating the actual election hardware, that they're not attacking the election infrastructure.

00:03:45.000 Okay, after the election, what happens next?

00:03:47.000 Okay, that's the question about Barack Obama and what happens next.

00:03:50.000 December 7th, 2016, the IC, the intelligence community, is working on a new presidential daily briefing, examining the potential impacts of cyber hacks on the election results.

00:04:00.000 DNI Clapper's office develops talking points based on the presidential daily briefing's findings.

00:04:04.000 Quote, foreign adversaries did not use cyber attacks on election infrastructure to alter the U.S. presidential election outcome.

00:04:10.000 We have no evidence of cyber manipulation of election infrastructure intended to alter the results.

00:04:16.000 December 8th, 2016, IC officials discuss that draft presidential daily briefing, which finds that Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent U.S. election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure.

00:04:29.000 A few hours later, the FBI inexplicably withdrew from coordinating on the product and notified other IC officials the FBI would be drafting a dissent.

00:04:36.000 Later in that afternoon, a senior PDB official kills the presidential daily briefing based on some new guidance.

00:04:43.000 The post-election PDB, which once again assessed Russia did not hack the election, was never published.

00:04:47.000 December 9th, the Obama White House gathers top cabinet officials for a National Security Council's Principals Committee meeting.

00:04:54.000 This included James Clapper, John Brennan, Susan Rice, John Kerry, Brian McLean, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, and Avril Haynes.

00:05:02.000 After the meeting, in an email titled POTUS Tasking on Russia Election Meddling, Director of National Intelligence Clapper's assistant sent an email to ODNI leaders tasking them with the creation of assessment per the president's request.

00:05:15.000 OZNI leads the effort along with CIA, FBI, NSA, and DHS.

00:05:20.000 Specifically, the assessment was designed to address a bunch of questions, including, quote, how did Moscow seek to influence the U.S. presidential election in 2016?

00:05:28.000 What tools did they use?

00:05:30.000 Why did Moscow direct these activities?

00:05:32.000 What was Russia attempting to accomplish?

00:05:35.000 How has Moscow's approach to our elections changed over time?

00:05:38.000 And what is our assessment regarding how Moscow will leverage its capabilities in future U.S. elections?

00:05:42.000 That same day, deep state officials in the intelligence community began leaking blatantly false intelligence to the Washington Post, according to, again, DNI Gabbert, as proven by the unpublished PDB and previous IC products claiming that Russia used cyber means to influence, quote, the outcome of the election.

00:05:58.000 Later that evening, there was another leak to the Washington Post, falsely alleging the CIA concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the election to help President Trump.

00:06:06.000 At that point, there was no official IC assessment that contained that conclusion.

00:06:10.000 So there was, again, a leak to the media that was not true.

00:06:13.000 December 14th, 2016, IC officials again leaked to the media, this time claiming that IC officials believe with a high level of confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin was personally involved in the U.S. election hack.

00:06:26.000 And the quote is from this particular report.

00:06:28.000 U.S. intelligence officials Now believe with a high level of confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in a covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

00:06:41.000 President Obama admitted on December 16th there was no evidence of machines being tampered with, but said he was concerned that potential hacks could hamper vote counting and affect the actual election process.

00:06:51.000 In late December of 2016, due to the ODNI whistleblowers questioning his leadership about why an IC assessment was being created that contradicted multiple other IC assessments, the whistleblower was immediately removed from emails regarding the drafting of the Obama-ordered IC assessment.

00:07:06.000 The whistleblower was sidelined.

00:07:08.000 And again, this continues to be the pattern.

00:07:10.000 The Obama administration running out information suggesting Russian interference in the election, despite the fact that there had been multiple IC reports suggesting that, at the very least, there was no election hacking.

00:07:23.000 In late December 2016, early January 2017, the national intelligence officer for cyber pressured the ODNI whistleblower to accept a number of findings in the Obama ICA, including that the Russian government had a preference for President Trump.

00:07:36.000 In January 6, 2017, the Obama administration shared that unclassified ICA with the public and falsely alleged, based on further information, that Putin directed an effort to help President Trump defeat Hillary Clinton.

00:07:47.000 And that information turned out to be the steel dossier.

00:07:51.000 So that is the sort of background to what Gabbard is claiming.

00:07:55.000 She is claiming, in the end, that there was a treasonous conspiracy in 2016 by top Obama administration officials to harm President Trump.

00:08:04.000 She's going further than that.

00:08:06.000 So she says there's a treasonous conspiracy against Trump.

00:08:08.000 Here's what she had to say.

00:08:10.000 The implications of this are, frankly, nothing short of historic.

00:08:15.000 Over 100 documents that we released on Friday really detail and provide evidence of how this treasonous conspiracy was directed by President Obama just weeks before he was due to leave office, after President Trump had already gotten elected.

00:08:34.000 This is not a Democrat or Republican issue.

00:08:36.000 This is an issue that is so serious it should concern every single American because it has to do with the integrity of our Democratic Republic.

00:08:46.000 So, okay, that's all fine and well and good.

00:08:49.000 She then continued, and she said that there needs to be an investigation from Cash Patel at FBI and Pam Bondi, the AG, to prosecute Obama officials.

00:08:58.000 At the end of the day, we need to look at Pam Bondi. 1.00

00:09:01.000 Is that the person who, at the end of the day, is going to bring us accountability?

00:09:05.000 Pam Bondi?

00:09:07.000 Attorney General Pam Bondi, FBI Director Cash Patel, it is their responsibility to gather all of the evidence, both that we have released, the facts that have already been known previously, the information that will continue to come out, and move forward with this prosecution and these indictments.

00:09:26.000 Okay, so there is no doubt whatsoever that the Obama administration actively attempted to undermine the incoming Trump administration with rumors and innuendos surrounding things like the steel dossier.

00:09:37.000 I mean, that is absolutely substantively clear.

00:09:40.000 And it didn't require Telsi Gabbard to come out with this additional information.

00:09:43.000 That adds more color to the allegations.

00:09:46.000 Now, to be fair, many of the documents that she's quoting are dealing with the allegation that the Russians intervened directly in election infrastructure.

00:09:55.000 And I'm not aware that the Obama administration ever formally made the claim the Russians interfered with election infrastructure per se.

00:10:01.000 But clearly, the intent of the Obama administration was to claim that Russian interference with the election is what decided the election.

00:10:07.000 And that, of course, was the predicate for the entire Russia Gate scandal.

00:10:10.000 So Gabbard is right about that.

00:10:11.000 One of my problems here is that the administration needs to get on the same page.

00:10:15.000 What I mean by this is when Tulsi Gabbard goes on national TV and then calls on the AG and the FBI director to do a thing, she should not be doing that.

00:10:22.000 That's the sort of stuff that needs to happen behind closed doors.

00:10:25.000 Why?

00:10:25.000 Because otherwise what you end up with is a constant oversell to the American public.

00:10:30.000 Don't oversell the American public.

00:10:32.000 Put out the information that you have.

00:10:34.000 Let Pambondi and Cash Patel do their job.

00:10:36.000 We saw this, by the way, from Pam Bondi directed at Cash Patel just a few months ago with regards to the Epstein files.

00:10:41.000 You recall that she had a bunch of influencers at the White House and she gave them binders.

00:10:45.000 Those binders contained a bunch of old information.

00:10:48.000 And then when she sort of got caught on it, she then sent a letter to Cash Patel saying, come up with new documents.

00:10:53.000 Are you blocking documents?

00:10:55.000 Okay, that sort of stuff should not be happening cohesively inside an administration.

00:10:55.000 What's the deal?

00:10:59.000 That is not useful.

00:11:01.000 The reality, again, should be that the focus, of course, should be on the Obama administration's deep and abiding hatred for Donald Trump, their attempt to undermine him before he even took office.

00:11:11.000 I mean, that's clear.

00:11:12.000 The motive is obvious here.

00:11:13.000 And Michelle Obama was talking about how when Trump was elected, she cried for 30 straight minutes.

00:11:19.000 And then we went to Andrews Air Force Base, said goodbye to the military, got on Air Force One.

00:11:26.000 And when those doors shut, I cried for 30 minutes straight, uncontrollable sobbing, because that's how much we were holding it together for eight years.

00:11:39.000 Okay, so again, that is what Democrats believed about Donald Trump.

00:11:44.000 They believed that a Hillarian figure had been elected.

00:11:47.000 And so they had to undermine him from day one.

00:11:49.000 That much is absolutely true.

00:11:52.000 With that said, please do not oversell the desire for, for example, a prosecution unless there's actually going to be a there.

00:12:01.000 We've done this before.

00:12:02.000 It is not useful to oversell the information that you're presenting to the American public and put pressure on people to do a thing that you have not presented the evidence yet that makes the case for an actual criminal prosecution.

00:12:14.000 Maybe the case is there, but that's a thing that needs to be developed by the FBI.

00:12:17.000 That's a thing that needs to be developed by the DOJ.

00:12:20.000 Why am I warning about that?

00:12:21.000 Because again, I think one of the reasons why so many people are upset about the Epstein case is because of the oversell.

00:12:27.000 They're upset because the thing they were led to believe about the Epstein case by many of the same people who are currently in power, it turns out that that thing may not have been justified based on the evidence.

00:12:38.000 And so now they're upset.

00:12:39.000 And I get them being upset.

00:12:40.000 I totally understand them being upset.

00:12:42.000 And so all I'm saying is don't do that again.

00:12:44.000 Don't set up a series of expectations that are not going to be justified by whatever the FBI and DOJ do next.

00:12:50.000 But yes, Barack Obama, there is no question.

00:12:52.000 There's no question in my mind whatsoever that the Obama administration was in fact colluding together with fellow Democrats in order To essentially cut the hamstrings of the incoming Trump administration in November, December, and January of 2016, January 2017.

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00:15:32.000 Okay, meanwhile, President Trump, as you can tell, is very frustrated with the continuation of the Epstein story.

00:15:38.000 And frankly, I think that he should be.

00:15:40.000 I think that President Trump's general take on this is everything that is now being quote unquote revealed about President Trump is old news, like truly old news.

00:15:47.000 And the left-wing media are trying to dredge this up opportunistically based on the fact that the Trump administration, which again was staffed by many people who believed in the most extreme version of the Epstein theory, that their conclusion did not match up with what they thought it was going to be and what many Americans thought it was going to be.

00:16:02.000 So now the Democrats and the media are attempting to suggest that President Trump is complicit in some sort of child rape sex trafficking cover-up in order to protect his own reputation.

00:16:12.000 We'll get into those accusations in a second, but this is why President Trump is pointing out correctly that the first six months of his administration are, by pretty much all available evidence, a wild success, like incredibly successful.

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00:16:27.000 Today is that six month anniversary of my second term.

00:16:29.000 Importantly, it's being hailed as one of the most consequential periods of any president.

00:16:33.000 In other words, we got a lot of good and great things done, including ending numerous wars of countries not related to us other than through trade and or, in certain cases, friendship.

00:16:40.000 Six months is not a long time to have totally revived a major country.

00:16:43.000 One year ago, our country was dead with almost no hope of revival.

00:16:46.000 Today, the USA is the hottest and most respected country anywhere in the world.

00:16:49.000 Happy anniversary.

00:16:51.000 Okay, so you can see then why he is very irritated that many people, including his erstwhile allies, are suggesting that he's complicit in some sort of cover-up about Epstein.

00:17:00.000 And so over the weekend, President Trump put out a statement on Truth Social, quote, I have asked the Justice Department to release all grand jury testimony with respect to Jeffrey Epstein subject only to court approval.

00:17:11.000 With that being said, and even if the court gave its full and unwavering approval, nothing will be good enough for the troublemakers and radical left lunatics making the request.

00:17:18.000 It will always be more, more, more MAGA.

00:17:21.000 And by the way, he is totally right about this.

00:17:22.000 This is absolutely true, no matter what Trump releases, unless it somehow justifies the suspicions that people had, the most outlandish suspicions that people had, based largely on speculation and unverified statements by people like Virginia Giufri, that no one's going to be satisfied.

00:17:41.000 They're just not going to be.

00:17:42.000 And that is a reality.

00:17:44.000 Now, the left is taking advantage of this.

00:17:46.000 Like in extreme ways, they're taking advantage of this.

00:17:51.000 So, for example, the New York Times put out a very long piece called Inside the Long Friendship Between Trump and Epstein.

00:17:57.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:17:59.000 Everyone knows that Trump and Epstein were friends.

00:18:02.000 This is nothing new.

00:18:03.000 There is nothing new here.

00:18:04.000 They're not uncovering some sort of sordid history that we didn't know about with regard to Donald Trump's rather colorful sex life in the 1990s and early 2000s.

00:18:15.000 None of that is a gigantic secret.

00:18:17.000 We've all known that for decades.

00:18:19.000 And yet what they're attempting to do right now is, again, retail stuff that actually they were able to investigate and have been able to investigate for decades.

00:18:25.000 They're doing it now to imply that there then must be something secret, deeper, darker in the Epstein files about Donald Trump.

00:18:31.000 Now, I'm going to ask you again, do you truly believe that if Democrats, particularly the Biden administration, in a race, they were so desperate to win that they took old Yeller out back and shot him so they could have Kamala Harris attempt to win the race at the end?

00:18:45.000 You think those people, these desperate people, the kind of people who cry for 30 minutes when Donald Trump is elected, you think those people were not going to leak deep, nefarious, evil information about Donald Trump and the Epstein files when they had control over those files?

00:19:00.000 That's your theory?

00:19:01.000 That's your going theory?

00:19:02.000 No.

00:19:03.000 All that's happening here is that Democrats see an opening to keep bringing up stuff that we already know in the hope that maybe this time, maybe this time they'll finally get that Trump.

00:19:13.000 Maybe this time they'll finally get him.

00:19:16.000 The problem that the left and the media typically have with President Trump is that it's like Lucy with the football.

00:19:20.000 They always think that they're going to be able to kick the football.

00:19:22.000 And at the last minute, the football just is removed from before them.

00:19:25.000 So the New York Times has a very lengthy piece all about Epstein and Trump.

00:19:30.000 Quote, in the swirl of money and suntanned women that was their palm beach in Manhattan set, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein spent nearly 15 years mingling side by side as public friends.

00:19:39.000 By the way, Senator Bill Clinton, there were lavish dinners with bold-faced names at Mr. Epstein's mansion on the Upper East Side, and raucous parties with cheerleaders and models at Mr. Trump's private club and residence at Mar-a-Lago in between their trips back and forth from Florida to New York on one of Mr. Epstein's private jets.

00:19:53.000 But behind the tabloid glamour, questions have lingered about what Mr. Trump's long association with Mr. Epstein says about his judgment and character, especially as his allies have stoked sinister claims about Mr. Epstein's connections to Democrats.

00:20:05.000 After their relationship ruptured, the disgraced financier ended up being behind bars not once, but two times after being accused of engaging in sex with teenage girls.

00:20:13.000 Okay, so that would be the dead giveaway.

00:20:16.000 After the relationship ended, he then ended up behind bars not once but twice.

00:20:21.000 And as we know, Trump threw him out of Mar-a-Lago.

00:20:23.000 So again, what is the new information that is being added here?

00:20:28.000 What is the new information?

00:20:30.000 There effectively is none.

00:20:31.000 It's just a bunch of seamy allegations that, again, the New York Times could have uncovered any time in the last 30 years, certainly in the last 10 when Trump has been the most important political figure on planet Earth.

00:20:42.000 According to the New York Times report, one of the young women who later said Mr. Epstein groomed and abused her was recruited into his world while working at a spa attendant in Mar-a-Lago.

00:20:50.000 Okay, did she accuse Donald Trump of having trafficked her?

00:20:52.000 If not, what are we talking about?

00:20:53.000 Another accuser recalled being eyed by Mr. Trump during a brief encounter in Mr. Epstein's office and claimed that Epstein had told Trump at that time, quote, she's not for you.

00:21:01.000 Wait, you mean that Trump used to leer at women?

00:21:04.000 I find this impossible to believe.

00:21:05.000 You mean the man who was caught literally on tape saying to Billy Bush at this time in his life that he grabbed women by their genitals and then won the presidential election anyway?

00:21:14.000 You mean that guy that he ogled women?

00:21:17.000 I find this impossible to believe.

00:21:19.000 I was under the impression that Donald J. Trump was an absolutely saint of pure heart when it came to women, as evidenced by zero things.

00:21:27.000 Like, what is the New York Times trying to do?

00:21:29.000 You understand what they're trying to do here.

00:21:30.000 This is a news hook so they can continue to resurface a bunch of stuff that's 20 years old, 30 years old about President Trump and Epstein that, again, they could have broken at any time.

00:21:40.000 Quote, another woman has said that Mr. Trump groped her when Mr. Epstein brought her to Trump Tower in Manhattan to meet her.

00:21:46.000 Mr. Trump has never been accused of wrongdoing in connection with the Epstein case.

00:21:51.000 Well, yes, that would be the relevant fact, that right there.

00:21:55.000 So what exactly would he be hiding?

00:21:56.000 Again, there are public pictures of Trump with Melania, with Epstein and Ghelane.

00:22:01.000 Those pictures have been public forever.

00:22:04.000 One of those pictures from 2000, very famous picture.

00:22:08.000 But again, the idea from the New York Times is that the more of this they spill out there, the more suspicion they're going to stoke about the idea that there's really deep, dark stuff in the Epstein files.

00:22:17.000 And that's the reason you're not seeing the truth.

00:22:19.000 You can see why Trump is irritated by this.

00:22:21.000 He's like, all this stuff has been out there for decades.

00:22:23.000 And now this is the thing you want to focus on, like right now.

00:22:27.000 In 1992, an NBC news camera captured the pair, Trump and Epstein, at Mar-a-Lago at a party featuring cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills who were in town that weekend for a game against the Miami Dolphins.

00:22:37.000 At one point in the footage, Trump can be seen dancing amid a crowd of young women.

00:22:42.000 No, no, you say we've all known about that tape for literally ever.

00:22:47.000 Again, these are all resurfaced old allegations.

00:22:49.000 And if you slam them all together, then you can try to make the case that maybe there's something deeper lurking under the hood.

00:22:56.000 But there's a reason the New York Times is doing this.

00:22:57.000 It's the same reason that the Wall Street Journal, not the editorial page, the newspage, did what they did with that dumb allegation about Trump writing a birthday message to Jeffrey Epstein in the early 2000s.

00:23:08.000 Some women who are in Mr. Epstein's orbit, says the New York Times, have said they encountered Mr. Trump during this period.

00:23:13.000 One woman, Maria Farmer, who has said she was victimized by Epstein and Maxwell, described an encounter with Trump in 1995 at an office that Mr. Epstein once kept in New York City.

00:23:22.000 Ms. Farmer recalled in a 2019 interview that when she was introduced to Trump, he eyed her, prompting Epstein to warn him, she's not for you. 0.98

00:23:29.000 Okay, so that story first started in 2019.

00:23:32.000 What are we even talking about here?

00:23:34.000 What are we talking about?

00:23:35.000 And by the way, that is one of two stories from the New York Times surrounding Maria Farmer.

00:23:41.000 Quote, it was the summer of 1996 when Maria Farmer went to law enforcement to complain about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:23:46.000 At the time, she said she'd been sexually assaulted by Mr. Epstein and his longtime partner, Ghelaine Maxwell.

00:23:51.000 Farmer, then in her mid-20s, had also learned about a troubling encounter that her younger sister, then a teenager, had endured at Epstein's ranch in New Mexico.

00:23:58.000 Farmer said when she discussed her concerns with the New York Police Department, then with the FBI, she also urged them to take a broader look at the people in Epstein's orbit, including Trump, then still two decades from being elected president.

00:24:09.000 She repeated that message, she said, when the FBI interviewed her again about Epstein in 2006.

00:24:15.000 Okay, and I mean, yes, we know Epstein is a sexual criminal.

00:24:21.000 That is not a shock.

00:24:23.000 It is also true that you are now talking about allegations from 1996.

00:24:27.000 It is now 2025.

00:24:29.000 And the New York Times is resurfacing all of this, bringing it up again to suggest that there is a bunch of stuff that is yet to be uncovered.

00:24:37.000 We've known about all this stuff for years.

00:24:37.000 But all this is public.

00:24:39.000 There's nothing new here.

00:24:41.000 So you resurfacing old stuff that everybody knew to claim that there's a bunch of stuff that nobody knows is definitely a rather large stretch.

00:24:48.000 But understand what Democrats are attempting to do here.

00:24:51.000 And one of the things Democrats are attempting to do here very clearly is to make hay while the sun shines, to try to use this not only to smear President Trump and bring up his sexual history and all that, but also to try and double down on what they see as a split in the right.

00:25:06.000 Already coming up, big controversy over an accidental strike on a church in Gaza by the IDF.

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00:27:32.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:27:33.000 Democrats are total hypocrites about this.

00:27:34.000 Nancy Pelosi, for example, was asked, you know, Democrats had all these files.

00:27:37.000 They could have released them.

00:27:38.000 Why didn't they do so?

00:27:41.000 Madam Speaker, can I ask you real quick if you think the Jeffrey Epstein files should be released?

00:27:46.000 Congress needs to release them? 0.76

00:27:48.000 Why do you think Biden didn't do it for four years?

00:27:54.000 You know why they didn't do it?

00:27:55.000 They should have?

00:27:56.000 She got busy suddenly.

00:28:02.000 So you can see why Democrats are doing this.

00:28:04.000 The answer is that they're unbelievably cynical.

00:28:05.000 They didn't care about any of this until literally the minute they thought that they could drive a wedge into the heart of the Trump movement.

00:28:11.000 Now, it is worth noting that there are a bunch of people on the right who are also trying to drive a wedge in the middle of the Trump movement.

00:28:17.000 That is a very real thing.

00:28:19.000 They're exacerbated by various bot networks on places like X. Again, the disconnect between the world of X and the world of TikTok and like the actual real world where people interact with other humans is extremely wide.

00:28:31.000 This is why this has been the biggest story on the internet for a significant period of time.

00:28:35.000 And in the polling, it doesn't rank in the top 10 issues Americans care about.

00:28:38.000 That is not to mean that people shouldn't be concerned, that people don't have open questions.

00:28:42.000 All of that's true.

00:28:43.000 It's salacious, which means people are interested.

00:28:45.000 And yes, there are a lot of people who care and should care, and we should all care, obviously, about the sexual abuse of minors.

00:28:52.000 That doesn't answer the question as to what people on the right think they are doing by attacking Trump as a cover-up artist for child sex trafficking.

00:28:59.000 And let's, again, let's not make a mistake here.

00:29:02.000 There are people on the right who are doing this.

00:29:04.000 They won't say that they're accusing Trump directly because as I said last week, they don't actually have the stones or intestinal fortitude to do that.

00:29:11.000 But that's exactly what they are doing.

00:29:12.000 And the question is, why are they doing that?

00:29:14.000 And the answer is obvious.

00:29:16.000 What they are really attempting to do, many of those people, again, there are many, many people on the right who have open questions about this.

00:29:22.000 I don't doubt their motivations for one single solitary second.

00:29:25.000 I also have open questions about this case.

00:29:27.000 Like, why was Les Wexner sending $150 million to Jeffrey Epstein?

00:29:31.000 Or why was Leon Black sending exorbitant amounts of cash to Jeffrey Epstein?

00:29:34.000 Like those are real, honest to God, open questions.

00:29:37.000 But one of those open questions is not, for example, was he working for the CIA or was he working for Mossad or was he sex trafficking to President Trump, which is the reason for the cover-up?

00:29:47.000 If you're asking those types of questions and suggesting that Trump is then covering all of that up, that the evidence is there, he's just covering it up, you're doing something else.

00:29:54.000 And many of the big commentators who are doing that have another agenda.

00:29:57.000 And it is not a coincidence that many of the biggest commentators who are doing that are currently very much at odds with Trump's actual agenda.

00:30:04.000 So in the same way that Democrats are using the Epstein case as a political fodder maneuver, they see an opportunity and they're jumping on it.

00:30:12.000 There are a bunch of people who are on the right who hope to wrest control of MAGA away from Trump because they don't like what Trump is doing in the Middle East.

00:30:20.000 They don't like his bombing of Iran, for example.

00:30:22.000 They don't like that President Trump has realized now that Vladimir Putin was playing him and has decided to continue to support Ukraine.

00:30:29.000 They don't like the fact that President Trump has rejected many of their most extreme overtures on a wide variety of issues, on the one big beautiful bill, for example.

00:30:38.000 And so they're mad at him.

00:30:39.000 And so what they are saying to him is, we can split your movement.

00:30:42.000 We can do you damage.

00:30:43.000 But here's the thing.

00:30:44.000 It's not going to work.

00:30:45.000 And the reason it's not going to work because in the end, there is nothing people do not know about Donald Trump.

00:30:49.000 There are no big hidden secrets about Donald J. Trump.

00:30:52.000 He has been in the public eye his entire adult life, all of it.

00:30:56.000 He is the least secretive public figure of all time.

00:31:01.000 Whenever I talk to people about President Trump and they ask, what is he thinking on various issues?

00:31:06.000 I say, check his truth social for what he's thinking on various issues.

00:31:09.000 President Trump is absolutely transparent, clear about what it is he is thinking at any given time, about what he is doing.

00:31:15.000 He's not secretive about this sort of stuff.

00:31:18.000 There are no secrets here about President Trump.

00:31:21.000 So why are people on the right suggesting there are?

00:31:23.000 Again, in order to sort of threaten Trump, that if he doesn't go with them on policy, then they're going to continue to harangue him and harass him.

00:31:30.000 And President Trump doesn't have to play with that.

00:31:32.000 He can simply step on it.

00:31:33.000 And I think he has been doing that sort of thing more and more recently, which is good.

00:31:37.000 One of the things he needs to step on is what appears to be a foreign policy deep state that is arising within his own administration.

00:31:42.000 It's a very serious problem.

00:31:45.000 This problem emerged most recently with regard to, for example, the arming of Ukraine.

00:31:51.000 So as you'll recall, the Ukrainian government was supposed to get certain arms from the United States.

00:31:56.000 Those arms did not arrive.

00:31:57.000 Trump was asked in a public presser about why there had been a freeze on those armaments.

00:32:02.000 And Trump said, I have no idea.

00:32:03.000 I didn't put a freeze on those arms.

00:32:05.000 And it turns out somebody in the Defense Department, without his permission, had put a freeze on the shipment of those arms.

00:32:10.000 And there are people inside the administration who consistently leak from one side of the administration to the media.

00:32:16.000 Trump himself is not leaky.

00:32:19.000 But Barack Ravid is receiving a constant string of leaks.

00:32:22.000 Now, we should note that Barack Ravid is a member of the left.

00:32:25.000 Barack Ravid is a very left-wing reporter for Axios.

00:32:28.000 The Biden administration used him as their chief mechanism for dissemination of information, particularly about Middle East policy.

00:32:34.000 Anytime they wanted to get a message out, they leaked it to Barack Ravid.

00:32:38.000 Well, the same people who leaked to Barack Ravid because they had a particularly noxious view of politics in the Middle East.

00:32:46.000 There are some of those people on the right who are attempting to retail their own foreign policy via Barack Ravid at Axios.

00:32:52.000 It's funny.

00:32:53.000 There are a lot of people who are upset on the right that Mike Walls, the former NSA, supposedly had Jeffrey Goldberg's number in his phone.

00:33:01.000 That's not actually what the story was, but they were upset.

00:33:03.000 How could he be talking with Jeffrey Goldberg or whatever?

00:33:05.000 Okay, let's be very clear.

00:33:06.000 The people in the Trump administration who have Barack Ravid on speed dial over at Axios are retailing their own foreign policy, without a doubt.

00:33:13.000 So what is their latest iteration?

00:33:14.000 Their latest iteration is a piece in Axios.

00:33:19.000 Quote, he's a madman.

00:33:21.000 Trump's team frets about Netanyahu after Syria strikes.

00:33:24.000 So there has been a bunch of chaos in Syria.

00:33:26.000 We've talked about it briefly on the program.

00:33:28.000 Essentially, the story in Syria is this.

00:33:30.000 In Syria, as you'll recall, Hezbollah was a major force that was holding up the Assad government.

00:33:36.000 Because Israel essentially destroyed Hezbollah's military capacity in Lebanon, Hezbollah was unavailable to help the Bashar Assad regime when a terrorist group called HTS decided to basically run down the road to Damascus, and they ended up being unopposed.

00:33:50.000 HTS is a Turkish-backed terror group that is now taking control of the country.

00:33:54.000 Now, there are open questions about whether HTS can be moderated.

00:33:57.000 Zal Jalani, who's the head of HTS, whether the governing coalition, which really is just HTS in Syria, can take control of the country in any serious way.

00:34:09.000 And there have been some green shoots there, right?

00:34:11.000 There's a lot of talk about the possibility of America removing sanctions and Syria normalizing with Israel and Lebanon doing the same and all the rest.

00:34:19.000 And all that was very optimistic.

00:34:20.000 And I was always more than a little skeptical of this because, frankly, I don't think that people who used to be ISIS tend to moderate quite that much.

00:34:29.000 In any case, a lot of this sort of conflict broke out into the open because, as we noted, when Assad fell, while it might be overall good that Assad fell because Assad was essentially being used as an Iranian cutout, there were some really bad side effects. 0.77

00:34:43.000 Like, for example, the Assad regime was, in fact, more protective of, for example, Christians in Syria than HTS was likely to be.

00:34:51.000 So it's not just that HTS, people were worried about them targeting Christians.

00:34:54.000 There's serious worry about HTS targeting the Druze.

00:34:58.000 So the Druze are a different religion, very ancient religion.

00:35:01.000 They're a very tribal group.

00:35:02.000 There are many of them in Israel.

00:35:03.000 There are many of them in Syria.

00:35:05.000 And they've been under assault in southern Syria by Islamists in Syria, by Islamic terror groups in Syria.

00:35:11.000 And Israel has been defending them in southern Syria.

00:35:14.000 So there is a place called Sueda.

00:35:16.000 Suwaita is largely comprised of Druze.

00:35:19.000 And over the course of the last week or so, there have been massive Islamic attacks, Bedouin attacks in Sueda against the Druze.

00:35:26.000 And this is where the conflict begins in terms of interpretation.

00:35:29.000 So according to, say, Turkey, which of course is allied with HTS, or according to HTS, the government of Syria, they were sending soldiers there to quell the rioting.

00:35:39.000 They're sending soldiers to stop Bedouins and Druze from attacking or defending against attack or attacking each other to stop the chaos. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Contemporaneous footage seems to suggest that many members of HTS, of like the actual government forces, were not actually stopping Bedouins from attacking Druze.

00:35:54.000 They're actually joining in and attacking the Druze themselves. 1.00

00:35:57.000 And this prompted Israel to warn the Syrian government that if they did not stop all of that, Israel would bomb Damascus.

00:36:01.000 And so Israel ended up dropping a couple of bombs on Damascus.

00:36:04.000 The Trump administration got involved.

00:36:06.000 They said everybody needs to like cool off and stop.

00:36:08.000 And essentially, a ceasefire was negotiated over the weekend.

00:36:12.000 So why is that important?

00:36:13.000 Because according to this Axios piece, quote, Peabe acted like a madman.

00:36:18.000 He bombs everything all the time.

00:36:19.000 One White House official told Axios.

00:36:21.000 This could undermine what Trump is trying to do.

00:36:24.000 A second senior U.S. official also pointed to the shelling of a church in Gaza this week, which led President Trump to call Netanyahu and demand an explanation.

00:36:32.000 Quote, the feeling is that every day there is something new.

00:36:34.000 What the F?

00:36:35.000 A third U.S. official said there's growing skepticism inside the Trump administration about Netanyahu, a sense that his trigger finger is too itchy and he's too disruptive.

00:36:41.000 Quote, Netanyahu is sometimes like a child who just won't behave.

00:36:46.000 Okay, so there's only one problem with this piece.

00:36:50.000 There's only one problem.

00:36:52.000 Okay, it is clear from this piece that President Trump does not necessarily agree with these people.

00:36:58.000 President Trump was not particularly happy with Israel bombing Damascus because he's been attempting to broker a peace in Syria and make the government more durable, which is understandable.

00:37:07.000 Totally get it.

00:37:08.000 However, there's only one problem with that.

00:37:10.000 The piece itself in Axios says, quote, Trump has so far refrained from public criticism, and it's unclear if he shares his advisors' frustrations.

00:37:17.000 It is not totally clear whether he shares his advisors' recent concerns about Israel's actions in Syria.

00:37:23.000 So what does that mean?

00:37:24.000 It means that there are some people out there who are freelancing this thing.

00:37:26.000 Very clearly, a bunch of people who are freelancing this thing.

00:37:29.000 And I guarantee you, many of those same people are in the media space trafficking in the Epstein stuff, specifically accusing President Trump of a cover up, of some sort of dark, terrible cover-up, because they don't like his policy.

00:37:43.000 In the same way that there are cynical Democrats using the Epstein story in order to attack President Trump and his policies, there are, in fact, people who consider themselves the masters of MAGA, but they are not, who are attempting to undermine Trump's policy.

00:37:55.000 And those same people are pushing the same exact angles on the Epstein story.

00:37:59.000 And that is not a coincidence.

00:38:00.000 Okay, meanwhile, we mentioned briefly there this horrible situation with the church in Gaza, the Catholic church in Gaza that was accidentally bombed by Israel.

00:38:08.000 So as we know, on Thursday morning, the Holy Family Church was struck by accident.

00:38:14.000 And I say, yes, by accident, clearly by accident.

00:38:16.000 Why do I say that?

00:38:17.000 Why in the world would Israel purposefully hit a church in Gaza?

00:38:21.000 Why?

00:38:22.000 It's the only church in Gaza.

00:38:24.000 There's literally no reason you could come up with on any logical level why they would do that.

00:38:29.000 It makes no sense.

00:38:30.000 And this, of course, has driven an enormous number of people to suggest an end to the war, that a ceasefire is the proper solution to the war.

00:38:38.000 Pope Leo put out a statement expressing his concern for the dramatic humanitarian situation of the population in Gaza.

00:38:45.000 Leaders from the Catholic and Greek Orthodox Church visited the church on Thursday.

00:38:50.000 And a bunch of prominent people, including Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzabala, the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem, visited the enclave to show support for Gaza as Catholics.

00:39:00.000 Now, again, I totally understand this.

00:39:03.000 I am incredibly sympathetic to the victims of this accidental attack.

00:39:09.000 The call for a ceasefire is misguided.

00:39:12.000 And the reason the call for a ceasefire here is misguided is because if you leave Hamas in control of the Gaza Strip, which is what a ceasefire would accomplish, you're not just harming Jews, you are harming Christians.

00:39:21.000 I mean, you're harming Muslims too, because Palestinians have not exactly fared well under the kind, tender hearts of Hamas.

00:39:27.000 Christians have fared horribly under Hamas.

00:39:30.000 When Hamas took over, there are about 3,000 Christians who are still living in the Gaza Strip.

00:39:34.000 That was a very small number, obviously, because the only place that Christians can live safely in security and with freedom of religion anywhere in the Middle East, literally anywhere, is in Israel.

00:39:44.000 By far, not close, which is the reason why there are nearly 200,000 Christians who live in Israel.

00:39:50.000 And the number of Christians who are living in the Gaza Strip has now been reduced to below 1,000.

00:39:55.000 And those Christians who are living in the Gaza Strip, whether through choice or because they're being forced to do so by Hamas, cannot stand up to Hamas.

00:40:03.000 They can't.

00:40:04.000 I mean, if they did, they would presumably be killed.

00:40:06.000 There are approximately 37,000 Christians who are living in the Palestinian Authority-governed areas.

00:40:11.000 And again, Christians in those areas are also treated quite terribly.

00:40:14.000 We talked last week about how the Church of the Nativity was literally occupied by Islamic terrorists during the Second Intifada and used as a terror base for attacks on Israeli troops.

00:40:24.000 Okay, so why would it be bad?

00:40:26.000 Why is a call for a ceasefire here the wrong idea?

00:40:29.000 Because Hamas cannot continue to govern the area.

00:40:33.000 After Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2006, in 2007, Rami Ayad, the manager of the only Christian bookstore in the Gaza Strip, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered.

00:40:41.000 Christians in Gaza have been under significant pressure to convert to Islam, which is why there are very, very few Christians left in the Gaza Strip.

00:40:48.000 More condemnation of Hamas would have been great during that 15-year period in which Hamas was dominating the Gaza Strip and allowing for the killing of Christians like Rami Ayad.

00:40:59.000 Now, that would be useful as well.

00:41:01.000 So again, my sympathies go out and my respect goes out to the Catholic Church on this, obviously.

00:41:07.000 I was with the Pope two weeks ago, paying tribute and homage to the importance of the Catholic Church as a moral beacon in the world.

00:41:16.000 Well, I think that it would therefore be useful to, again, note that if you are hopeful for Christians living in the Middle East, the number one factor in ensuring Christians can live free in the Middle East is an end to Islamist tyranny. 0.67

00:41:28.000 That is the story of the entire Middle East for the last thousand odd years. 0.98

00:41:33.000 The Middle East used to be a largely Christian place.

00:41:36.000 Istanbul was once Constantinople.

00:41:38.000 Lebanon was a Christian Maronite state before it was turned into an absolute hellhole, largely through the predations of Iran, Hezbollah, and the Palestine Liberation Organization. 0.94

00:41:48.000 And so if you are hoping for a better, freer Middle East in which Christians are free to practice, free to worship, free to live their lives as Christians, then the pressure should be on Hamas to surrender hostages and go into exile.

00:42:00.000 It should not be on Israel to stop and allow Hamas to continue to run the Gaza Strip simply because a horrible thing happened in war in an accidental way that is absolutely terrible, obviously.

00:42:10.000 Alrighty, coming up, the Democrats, they are deep in the process of mamdonification.

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00:43:24.000 Okay, meanwhile, the left continues to melt down all on its own.

00:43:28.000 The Mamdonification of the Democratic Party continues apace. 0.98

00:43:31.000 Zaran Mamdani, it is amazing how Zaran Mamdani, who has made it his mission in life to essentially argue that America is evil and that the third world needs to be emulated, how he plays the victim. 0.57

00:43:44.000 He's constantly playing the victim.

00:43:45.000 It is hard to think of a less victimized person in American public life than Zaran Mamdani, a complete career useless person.

00:43:50.000 He's in his early 30s.

00:43:52.000 He's never held a real job.

00:43:53.000 He's a trust fund baby.

00:43:54.000 His mom is a Hollywood director.

00:43:55.000 His dad is a Columbia University professor.

00:43:58.000 And somehow he's the victim, always.

00:44:00.000 His first job, like, is it unbelievable?

00:44:02.000 His first real job could be mayor of New York.

00:44:05.000 But now he is, you know, he's very victimized.

00:44:08.000 He's victimized by the online people.

00:44:10.000 Now, listen, as a person who is quite frequently berated in the online space, I am no stranger to this.

00:44:16.000 Suck it up, my dude.

00:44:17.000 Like, truly, suck it up.

00:44:19.000 But that's not, again, he is tempting to take advantage of this by claiming he's a victim.

00:44:22.000 Here he was.

00:44:24.000 Being a politician means listening, not just to your supporters, but your critics too.

00:44:28.000 And some of these critics, especially on a certain website, have been giving me consistent advice.

00:44:33.000 For example, at SamWhite087.

00:44:36.000 Zoran, go back to Uganda, where you come from and belong. 1.00

00:44:40.000 At Teflon Gone, loser, go back to Africa. 1.00

00:44:43.000 There are thousands like this from across the country.

00:44:46.000 I hear you.

00:44:47.000 And I agree.

00:44:48.000 I'm going back to Uganda. 0.89

00:44:50.000 I'm headed there in a personal capacity to celebrate Rama and I's marriage with our family and friends.

00:44:54.000 But I do want to apologize to the haters, because I will be coming back.

00:44:57.000 And since you will undoubtedly read about this trip in the New York Post, inshallah on the front page.

00:45:01.000 Here are a few of my humble suggestions for headlines.

00:45:04.000 MIA, Mamdani in Africa.

00:45:06.000 Uganda missed me.

00:45:08.000 He's completely crazy.

00:45:10.000 The Africa can't be serious. 1.00

00:45:12.000 Carl Kampalanely investigates Mamdani.

00:45:15.000 Zoe running away.

00:45:18.000 Well, I mean, he's good at social media, even if he does really, really hate America like an awful lot, Zaran Mamdani. 0.64

00:45:23.000 And the playing of the victim is a very effective tactic, obviously, in the modern Democratic Party.

00:45:27.000 It works certainly at Politico, where they literally have a piece titled Mamdani's Social Media Savvy Comes at a Cost.

00:45:34.000 What does that cost?

00:45:35.000 Quote: Critics have been pouring over the Democratic Socialist's digital footprint as he heads into the general election for New York City mayor.

00:45:41.000 You mean they're checking the things he publicly said and posted?

00:45:44.000 That's crazy.

00:45:45.000 Clearly, this is a Republicans' pounce story.

00:45:47.000 Turning Momdani into a victim is necessary because if you treat him not as a victim, but as a sentient adult capable of saying intelligent things with moral duties in the world, then you have to ask why he hates capitalism and supports terrorists like the Holy Land Five and why he is fine with globalizing the intifada, even if he pretends that he is not from time to time.

00:46:09.000 And again, treating himself as a victim is basically the only way to avoid the reality, which is that New York is about to elect a communist to the mayoralty.

00:46:17.000 But this is the direction the Democratic Party is moving.

00:46:19.000 They somehow came up with somebody even worse than Jacob Fry for mayor of Minneapolis.

00:46:23.000 Jacob Fry is a disaster area.

00:46:25.000 Jacob Fry is the guy who was kneeling and crying at George Floyd's coffin in order to, I suppose, apologize for white supremacy or some such nonsense.

00:46:33.000 Well, now the Minneapolis Democratic Farmer Labor Party, the DFL, has endorsed state senator Omar Fateh, who is essentially a Mamdani clone.

00:46:44.000 It's just that he's from Somalia, whereas Mamdani is of Indian ethnic extraction by way of Uganda.

00:46:51.000 Apparently, many supporters of Jacob Fry were visibly absent from the floor at the time of the vote.

00:46:55.000 There were quorum challenges.

00:46:57.000 Fateh won at least 60% of the Minneapolis DFL delegate vote on Saturday.

00:47:02.000 Fatal said, today we witnessed a rejection of politics as usual, a rejection of the inhumane way we have been treating our unhoused neighbors, a rejection of the way our mayor has turned his back on labor.

00:47:11.000 Yes, we secured the DFL endorsement, but we know the status quo are going to do anything and everything to maintain power.

00:47:18.000 They'll have all the money in the world and they'll have all the influence in the world, but they don't have you.

00:47:23.000 So certainly entertaining to watch as the Democratic Party in Minneapolis decides that somehow Jacob Fry is too right-wing for them.

00:47:33.000 Really strong stuff here from the Democratic Party, which continues to skew wildly to the left.

00:47:39.000 And also, of course, to signal its hatred for President Trump, Jasmine Crockett, who's become the hot new thing in the Democratic Party, even fresher and even facer than AOC. 0.58

00:47:49.000 She is just doing the Trump is Hitler thing. 0.99

00:47:51.000 I guess this is, they're still playing the hits.

00:47:54.000 I don't anticipate that we will get to any resolution on this.

00:47:58.000 I think that they want to, again, straddle the fence.

00:48:01.000 They want to show that they are loyal to this, you know, I don't even know what to call him.

00:48:06.000 I've called him so many things, but this wannabe Hitler for sure. 0.96

00:48:10.000 They want to pledge their loyalty to him, and they know that he does not want this released.

00:48:17.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:48:18.000 Well, if this is the direction Democrats want to go, Democrats are in trouble.

00:48:18.000 Okay.

00:48:21.000 If you look at their 2028 prospect, AOC, as I've said from the start, may be the frontrunner.

00:48:27.000 She has a very clear lane, which is this wild left.

00:48:30.000 She's ethnically diverse.

00:48:31.000 She has the support of Bernie Sanders and all the rest.

00:48:34.000 And the Democratic Party is starting to panic.

00:48:36.000 And so they're now trotting out some retreads.

00:48:38.000 Beto is making a comeback.

00:48:40.000 Now, I don't know what Beto's been doing for the last several years since he lost his presidential race after losing his senatorial race against Ted Cruz.

00:48:47.000 I don't know what he's been doing.

00:48:48.000 Back in New Mexico, eating the dirt, going on spirit journeys and all the rest.

00:48:53.000 But Beto's back, brah.

00:48:55.000 He's back for a kick-flick bong rip. 0.97

00:48:58.000 And he's going to explain to you why, brah, Trump's policies are like, whoa, unpopular.

00:49:04.000 So unpopular.

00:49:05.000 Whoa, go.

00:49:07.000 Donald Trump's policies, whether it's the big beautiful bill that's going to take nearly 2 million Texans off of Medicaid or transfer nearly a trillion dollars of wealth to the richest 1% at the expense of working families, his policies are deeply unpopular.

00:49:21.000 He doesn't want to face accountability from the voters, and he's worried about keeping his very slim majority in Congress.

00:49:29.000 Tell me more.

00:49:29.000 Okay, bro.

00:49:30.000 Tell me more.

00:49:31.000 He says we need to be ruthless.

00:49:32.000 We need to be brutal about getting back into power, just like Beto was when he hasn't been in power for super long because he's not a good candidate.

00:49:39.000 But they keep trotting him out there, man.

00:49:40.000 They're going to make Fetch happen with Beto O'Rourke.

00:49:45.000 We have to get serious.

00:49:46.000 We have to be absolutely ruthless about getting back in power.

00:49:49.000 So yes, in California, in Illinois, in New York, wherever we have the trifecta of power, we have to use that to its absolute extent.

00:49:59.000 Now, again, Democrats look very weak right now.

00:50:01.000 They really, really do.

00:50:02.000 This does not mean that Republicans can't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:50:06.000 The number one danger to the Trump administration is not pseudo magna on the right undermining him.

00:50:12.000 It is not the Democratic Party yelling about Epstein.

00:50:14.000 The number one danger to a Trump administration is an economic downturn.

00:50:17.000 That is the only thing that matters.

00:50:20.000 And so I'm very hopeful that Treasury Secretary Scott Besant is going to cut a bunch of trade deals that are going to avoid a gigantic tariff war.

00:50:27.000 Now, President Trump, I've said this a thousand times, he's heterodox in his ideas, incredibly responsive to realities.

00:50:33.000 Here is the reality.

00:50:34.000 If the markets were not uncertain about the future of tariffs, we're already doing well in the stock market.

00:50:39.000 We would just be exploding in the stock market like a rocket, because we now have some certainty about tax rates and regulation, because President Trump is trying to treat business in a friendly manner through things like deregulation, through things like the Genius Act, trying to create some sort of stability around stable coins.

00:50:56.000 These are all excellent things to do for business.

00:50:58.000 The tariffs are a threat because they create uncertainty.

00:51:01.000 Howard Luttnick, the commerce secretary, who is by nature extremely enthusiastic about tariffs, was on the TV.

00:51:06.000 And I have a very simple metric for how markets do.

00:51:10.000 When Howard Luttnick goes on the TV, the markets go down.

00:51:13.000 When Treasury Secretary Scott Bessing goes on TV, the markets go up.

00:51:16.000 That just is the way it worked, whether you like it or not.

00:51:18.000 Here was Luttnick, however, on your TV, explaining that there are going to be so many deals it's going to make your head spin.

00:51:24.000 Okay, well, his mouth to God's ears.

00:51:27.000 Oh, they're going to love the deals that President Trump and I are doing.

00:51:30.000 I mean, they're just going to love them.

00:51:32.000 You know, the president figured out the right answer and sent letters to these countries that this is going to fix the trade deficit.

00:51:40.000 This will go a long way to fixing the trade deficit.

00:51:42.000 And that's gotten these countries to the table.

00:51:45.000 And they're going to open their markets or they're going to pay the tariff.

00:51:49.000 And if they open their markets, the opportunity for Americans to export, to grow the business, farmers, ranchers, fishermen, this is going to be, the next two Weeks are going to be weeks for the record books.

00:52:03.000 Now, again, tariffs as leverage, fine.

00:52:05.000 If the idea is to get to lower tariffs by other nations against our product, great.

00:52:09.000 The truth is, many of the nations we're currently targeting already have free trade agreements with the United States.

00:52:13.000 I've talked about that at length on the program already.

00:52:15.000 Lutnick is now saying he wants to renegotiate the USMCA.

00:52:18.000 That was a deal that President Trump negotiated during his first term.

00:52:22.000 I think the president is absolutely going to renegotiate USMCA, but that's a year from today.

00:52:28.000 So today, of course, 75% comes in free.

00:52:28.000 Exactly.

00:52:32.000 But of course, should you expect us to renegotiate it?

00:52:35.000 It makes perfect sense for the president to renegotiate it.

00:52:38.000 He wants to protect American jobs.

00:52:40.000 He doesn't want cars built in Canada or Mexico when they could be built in Michigan and Ohio.

00:52:48.000 Okay, well, if you want to make American cars more uncompetitive on the international market and, in fact, in the domestic market, Sans tariffs, that's a good way to do it.

00:52:55.000 The reason I'm pointing this out is because Trump, he is all set to have a boom time.

00:53:01.000 I mean, this could be a boom time in the American economy.

00:53:03.000 We need certainty.

00:53:04.000 We need stability.

00:53:06.000 We need to get to the end of the road on these tariff fights.

00:53:08.000 And by the way, we need to box in China because the reality is the arena where the Trump administration has actually moved, backtracked the most is on China.

00:53:18.000 On China is where the Trump administration, particularly on trade, has backtracked the most.

00:53:22.000 Remember, we were going to throw 145% tariff at China.

00:53:24.000 And then it turned out they were in control of many of the rare earth minerals that we needed, many of the magnets that we needed.

00:53:31.000 And so we backed off a lot of that.

00:53:34.000 Meanwhile, the Trump administration has backed off its export controls on NVIDIA chips like the H20 being sent to China.

00:53:43.000 And I spoke with some of my friends in the AI industry.

00:53:45.000 Those H20 chips are incredibly sophisticated.

00:53:47.000 All the talk, and I mentioned it last week, and then I tried to get some clarification that the H20 chips are significantly worse than H100 chips, which are sort of the most sophisticated version.

00:53:47.000 They're very good.

00:53:56.000 That's not true.

00:53:57.000 You can do an awful lot with an H20 chip.

00:53:59.000 Allowing China to use sophisticated microchips in order to run forward, raise forward toward AI, which is going to be the systems that redefines the entire economy generally, is bad policy.

00:54:11.000 It is not good policy.

00:54:12.000 So certainty, out-competing China, that is the thing that matters absolutely most right now. 0.99

00:54:17.000 And again, when it comes to certainty, I think President Trump is coming around on all of this, which is why President Trump put out a statement denying a story that Scott Besant had essentially stopped him from firing the Fed Reserve chairman, Jerome Powell.

00:54:30.000 So Trump himself said, listen, I know not to fire him.

00:54:33.000 I know what markets want.

00:54:34.000 I know markets don't want that, which is good because the reality, again, if President Trump wants the inflation to stabilize, and it's starting to, it's going the wrong direction a little bit this month, but it could stabilize if the tariffs stop.

00:54:46.000 If he wants the interest rates to be cut, which is what he desperately wants, if he wants all of that certainty, certainty, certainty.

00:54:52.000 And why is that so important?

00:54:54.000 Because if the economy goes south, AOC and all the rest of the left-wing crew are going to make the case that President Trump and his buds got rich while everybody else got poor.

00:55:02.000 She's going to run on her oligarchy nonsense. 1.00

00:55:06.000 And then on the basis of that, she could in fact win.

00:55:08.000 That is the real danger for the Trump administration.

00:55:10.000 Okay.

00:55:11.000 Meanwhile, the culture wars continue.

00:55:13.000 So Stephen Colbert was fired last week, kind of in delayed fashion, right?

00:55:18.000 He still has 10 months until his show is out.

00:55:21.000 And everyone's like, why is he getting fired?

00:55:22.000 Stephen Colbert.

00:55:24.000 I don't say everybody, really.

00:55:26.000 In fact, very few people outside Stephen Colbert's immediate family were deeply worried about him being fired because it turns out that he has very low ratings and his show loses $40 million a year.

00:55:38.000 $40 million a year.

00:55:40.000 And by the way, it is also worth noting that David Ellison, who's taking over the network, may not want a propagandist for wild left-wing crap on his network.

00:55:49.000 And he has every rationale and capacity to simply say, I don't like Stephen Colbert and I don't want him here.

00:55:55.000 All of that is fine.

00:55:56.000 The left is choosing to see this as an authoritarian moment.

00:55:59.000 Oh my God, Donald Trump doesn't like Stephen Colbert, did you know?

00:56:02.000 And that's why Stephen Colbert was fired.

00:56:04.000 Or maybe the current management doesn't like Stephen Colbert.

00:56:07.000 The audience doesn't like him all that much.

00:56:08.000 Certainly the budget doesn't like him very much.

00:56:11.000 And that's why he's gone.

00:56:12.000 But members of the media are like, no, no.

00:56:15.000 Our democracy is at risk unless Stephen Colbert can be paid $20 million a year to draw flies.

00:56:21.000 Here is Charlemagne, the God, making the case that this is authoritarian.

00:56:25.000 Let's call it what it is.

00:56:26.000 Paramount is looking for FCC approval for its skydance merger.

00:56:30.000 Trump can block that if he wants to.

00:56:31.000 So canceling Colbert is an obvious move to appease Donald Trump.

00:56:35.000 And I need to tell y'all something.

00:56:36.000 If you don't think we are under a regime with an authoritarian strategy, then you are bugging.

00:56:41.000 This is textbook authoritarian rule.

00:56:43.000 Target your critic, centralize power in a few hands, intimidate through punishment or removal.

00:56:48.000 And you know what that usually does?

00:56:50.000 Shuts people the F up.

00:56:51.000 Okay, tightens control over public discourse, sends a message to all media outlets that criticism of Trump could cost you access, approval, editorial control, all your job.

00:57:01.000 This is what authoritarian regimes do.

00:57:04.000 They weaponize legal systems to punish, dissent, and control messaging.

00:57:09.000 That guy makes like $3 million a year to criticize President Trump as an authoritarian in what is a very free country.

00:57:15.000 Are you safe unless Stephen Colbert can make $15 million a year for a failing night show?

00:57:20.000 Are you really safe?

00:57:21.000 How do you feel in America?

00:57:23.000 Do you feel that Hitler is coming around the bend because Stephen Colbert will only make $5 million going to work for MSNBC or whatever comes next?

00:57:30.000 Meanwhile, Rosie O'Donnell, safe from her perch in Ireland, is very mad.

00:57:35.000 Again, I'm never going to let go of the fact.

00:57:38.000 The Michael Moore singularity is real.

00:57:38.000 It's just a fact of life.

00:57:40.000 The older and more liberal you get, the more you look like Michael Moore, male or female.

00:57:44.000 That's just the way that it works.

00:57:45.000 Here's Rosie O'Donnell. 1.00

00:57:47.000 I think Americans should stand up and say, no way.

00:57:52.000 You're not going to silence us.

00:57:54.000 You don't have the right to silence us.

00:57:56.000 You never did and you never will.

00:57:58.000 We the people have the right to speak up against atrocities which are happening on a daily basis.

00:58:08.000 ICE, his own personal Gestapo.

00:58:13.000 What will it take, America?

00:58:15.000 What will it take?

00:58:18.000 He's going to arrest every artist that disagrees with him, and pretty much every artist does.

00:58:24.000 Whether or not they're brave enough to say it is another thing.

00:58:29.000 Can she name an artist that Trump has arrested, like one.

00:58:32.000 Again, I failed to see the great threats of the Republic in Stephen Colbert not being able to make $15 million for a show that loses $40 million a year.

00:58:41.000 I don't know.

00:58:42.000 Call me weird.

00:58:44.000 Meanwhile, speaking of equal pay for equal work or some such, a WNBA All-Star game is a contradiction in terms.

00:58:52.000 As Shane Gillis pointed out, there are no stars in the WNBA basically outside of Caitlin Clark. 0.98

00:58:57.000 That's just the reality of the situation.

00:58:58.000 Anyway, both sides of the WNBA All-Star game decided to walk out on court reading with shirts reading, pay us what you owe us.

00:59:08.000 Now, my friend Matt Walsh made the claim that the number there is zero.

00:59:12.000 So brave move to call for a zero pay, but you could make a credible case.

00:59:17.000 Really, seriously, you could make a credible case that the ladies ought to be paid a little bit more. 1.00

00:59:22.000 The credible case is basically that the collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and NBA players means NBA players pull down about half of the gross revenue of the league.

00:59:31.000 And in the WNBA, the players pull down about 9% of the gross revenue of the league.

00:59:35.000 Now, the other side of that argument is the WNBA makes zero money and loses money every single year, all the time. 1.00

00:59:41.000 And legitimately, the only person in the WNBA who's driving ratings is Caitlin Clark. 1.00

00:59:45.000 Now, this is the part that's really funny.

00:59:47.000 Forget about the equal pay argument or pay us what we're worth.

00:59:52.000 You're worth what the market will pay you.

00:59:54.000 If you think that you are irreplaceable in the WNBA, you got another thing coming.

00:59:58.000 They could bring in all the scrubs tomorrow for every player except for Caitlin Clark, and no one would notice.

01:00:05.000 There's no such thing really in the WNBA, just on a marketing level, as a below replacement value. 1.00

01:00:12.000 You could pick up any group of college basketball playing women, substitute them in, except for Clark, who's famous, and no one would notice the difference is the point. 1.00

01:00:20.000 But put that whole thing aside.

01:00:22.000 The utter caddiness with which all the WNBA players treat Caitlin Clark, who's legitimately their meal ticket, the only reason anyone cares about the WNBA is because Caitlin Clark is in it. 1.00

01:00:32.000 And the just disdain they all have for Caitlin Clark is astonishing.

01:00:36.000 So there is apparently a human named Kelsey Plum.

01:00:40.000 I was unaware of Kelsey Plum.

01:00:42.000 I would not know her from Professor Plum with the wrench in the conservatory.

01:00:48.000 I have no idea who she is because, you know, I watch actual sports, not the WNBA. 0.92

01:00:52.000 In any case, she sounded off about these t-shirts and then she got mad at Caitlin Clark for wearing the t-shirt. 1.00

01:01:00.000 Caitlin Clark wore the t-shirt she wanted her to wear, but she's mad and a little bit snippy about it. 1.00

01:01:05.000 If you want to blow up stereotypes about women snipping at each other, this is actually not the way to do it right here. 1.00

01:01:10.000 That was a very powerful moment.

01:01:12.000 We didn't, at least as players, we didn't know that that was going to happen.

01:01:17.000 So I think it was kind of like a genuine surprise.

01:01:20.000 But the t-shirt, just United Front, was determined this morning that we had a meeting for.

01:01:27.000 And, you know, not to tattletale, but zero members of Team Clark were very present for that.

01:01:34.000 But, no, we were just, we had a very...

01:01:42.000 So you can see, even I believe that the person next to her, and I have to look it up because, again, I don't know who any of these people are, but apparently that person is named Sabrina Ionescu.

01:01:51.000 She plays for the New York Liberty.

01:01:53.000 I had to look up the name of that team as well.

01:01:56.000 It says it in mensjournal.com.

01:01:58.000 New York Liberty star, Sabrina Ionescu.

01:02:01.000 Okay.

01:02:01.000 Again, star is an extraordinary term.

01:02:04.000 She's like, why are you even mentioning this?

01:02:07.000 And the answer is because everybody is pissed in the WNBA at the fact that Caitlin Clark is famous and is making them all richer. 1.00

01:02:13.000 And you want to talk about a zero-sum mentality?

01:02:16.000 That right there is a massive zero-sum mentality.

01:02:19.000 Truly insane.

01:02:20.000 She's making you your money. 1.00

01:02:22.000 That is what Caitlin Clark is doing.

01:02:24.000 So continue along these lines, ladies. 0.82

01:02:25.000 Continue trying to basically body check Caitlin Clark every time she comes onto the court to a hockey game and see how that works out for you.

01:02:32.000 All righty, coming up on the Ben Shapiro show, a surprise appearance on Apple TV's The Buccaneers from a familiar face.

01:02:39.000 Oh my gosh.

01:02:40.000 I'll get to it in a moment.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 21, 2025

Obama CONSPIRACY To Undermine Trump’s Presidency?

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