00:00:43.000So, as I said, one year ago today, Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood in front of the entire world.
00:00:48.000Obviously, I knew Charlie from the time he was 18 years old.
00:00:50.000Anybody who knew Charlie for any length of time was sort of astonished by his level of energy, by his stick to itiveness, by the fact that he was willing to run through pretty much any wall.
00:00:59.000First time I met Charlie, as I've talked about, He was 18.
00:01:03.000We were at an event together down at the Breakers in Palm Beach.
00:01:06.000And I remember turning to Jeremy Boring and saying, That guy is going to end up being head of the RNC.
00:01:10.000And then, of course, he founded CPUSA, which ended up being probably more important than the RNC in the end.
00:01:15.000And Charlie, for a long time, we didn't agree on everything.
00:01:17.000A lot of those disagreements were public.
00:01:20.000We varied on matters ranging from economics to foreign policy.
00:01:23.000But obviously, Charlie was a lifelong conservative.
00:01:40.000Once you saw the videos, it was pretty clear that it was unlikely Charlie would survive.
00:01:44.000My security team was talking to Charlie's security team.
00:01:46.000It turns out once they were already at the hospital and they were keeping my security team informed because obviously this is what security teams for high profile individuals do in this sort of space.
00:01:58.000Found out basically the same time as everybody else that Charlie had died.
00:02:03.000And again, all of America basically went into mourning.
00:02:06.000People on the right, good hearted people on the left, people in the middle, they'll recognize that whatever their political disagreements were with Charlie Kirk, Charlie had been a person who spent his entire life just doing political debate publicly and then bridge building privately.
00:02:23.000And I have to say that I think whatever expectations we all had of what was going to happen next were largely thwarted.
00:02:32.000And what's truly incredible about that is that they were largely thwarted.
00:02:37.000Around Erica Kirk, his wife, because there were people who decided that it was deeply imperative to destroy Erica as a human being and destroy TPUSA as an organization for their own nefarious political purposes.
00:02:52.000Well, Erica this week had a piece over at the New York Times talking about what she's learned about her grief in the year since.
00:02:59.000She says, September 11th, 2025, the day after my husband, Charlie Kirk, was shot and killed.
00:03:03.000The past 24 hours feel like a fever dream as I land in Phoenix from Utah and return home.
00:03:25.000She's talking with Usha Vance about all of this.
00:03:29.000And, you know, she discussed this publicly before.
00:03:32.000She and I talked about this as well briefly when I saw her a few days after the assassination in Phoenix, that Usha had told her just get through the next 15 minutes.
00:03:40.000She says, When you lose someone you love, it's easy to struggle to understand God's plan.
00:03:43.000One of the hardest tests of our faith occurs when bad things happen.
00:03:46.000True faith means accepting we won't get every answer and finding peace in that.
00:03:50.000I've seen extraordinary good born out of something unimaginably evil.
00:03:53.000I've watched people return to faith in droves, reconcile with their families, and forgive old wounds because of Charlie.
00:03:58.000I know my husband is in heaven, but I ache for him to be here.
00:04:00.000Still, I can stand and say without a shadow of a doubt that God is good.
00:04:05.000She says, one day, maybe when you least expect it, you'll start to see that those 15 minutes, the next 15 minutes, hold more than just grief.
00:04:10.000The grief is there always, but so is the beautiful gift of life.
00:04:13.000Again, the fact that Erica has had to go through all of this while simultaneously heading up TPUSA.
00:04:17.000And when I say go through all of this, I don't just mean the grief.
00:04:20.000I mean the insane desire by some to destroy her or to destroy TPUSA.
00:04:26.000It's an astonishing thing and demonstrates.
00:04:28.000The moral limits of many people in the so called conservative movement who were never really part of the conservative movement, who are out for themselves and who wish to tear down rather than to build up.
00:04:39.000Again, who was behind it was perfectly obvious pretty much immediately.0.76
00:04:43.000The minute that I had heard that Charlie had been shot, it was pretty obvious to me that the person who shot him was likely to be a part of the radical trans movement.
00:04:53.000And Charlie was not wildly offensive to a huge variety of people, is the truth.
00:04:59.000He said some controversial things from time to time on matters ranging from criminal justice to the nature of Islam.
00:05:07.000But the people who always seem most agitated about Charlie Kirk were radical trans activists.
00:05:11.000Because, as I said at the time, there's a permission structure for violence that is implicit in the trans radical ideology.0.61
00:05:17.000The basic idea is that if you say a man is a man and a woman is a woman, you are quote unquote erasing them, that you're creating a trans genocide, you're a threat to them.0.74
00:05:26.000And so it was not a tremendous shock that Tyler Robinson ended up being the murderer.
00:05:32.000There's perfectly obvious security footage of Tyler Robinson on campus that day.
00:06:39.000Contra, fools, and some corrupting influences.0.98
00:06:46.000Lance Twiggs is Tyler Robinson's boyfriend, and he testified that Robinson had asked him for a Dremel to engrave bullets about a month before.0.98
00:06:56.000The Dremel that you talked about, you said he had asked for that.
00:07:27.000Well, again, the evidence is very obvious in this case.
00:07:31.000The police displayed the photo of Tyler Robinson's rifle, they also displayed photos of Robinson's engraved bullets.
00:07:40.000The police also displayed photos of Robinson's texts directly on his phone.
00:07:45.000And of course, the judge ruled that Tyler Robinson's trial could go for the death penalty is indeed on the table.
00:07:52.000And the motive is not particularly difficult to tell, as Utah County Prosecutor Ryan McBride said, with the defendant's views repugnant to the positions that Charlie Kirk famously took.
00:08:02.000So, again, it was perfectly obvious who's behind this from the very beginning.
00:08:04.000So, what really should have happened here?
00:08:07.000Well, I mean, obviously, there should have been a political coming together at the very least around basic principles of free speech.
00:08:13.000I mean, this is what Charlie was famous for.
00:08:15.000I know that there was an entire religious element to what happened after Charlie had been murdered because Charlie spoke often about his open Christianity, which is great.
00:08:24.000But what Charlie was most famous for was his debates on college campus and the fact that he was a speech advocate.
00:08:30.000I mean, here was Charlie explaining to a liberal student why he believed in free speech.
00:08:34.000What compels you to sit on a college campus and talk about it?
00:08:38.000Because I don't think I'm going to change your mind, and I don't think you're going to change mine.
00:08:41.000Maybe you'll make a point I won't think of.
00:08:43.000Maybe I'll make a point you'll think of.
00:08:48.000Public and open and sometimes provocative speech is fundamental to a free society, right?
00:08:54.000It pushes boundaries, it gets people out of their comfort zone, it makes you live in a less totalitarian moment, at least in that instant, right?
00:09:02.000Um, so I just think it's really healthy.
00:09:03.000I think it makes you more human, right?1.00
00:09:05.000And you maybe you're like, oh, like that's really stupid, you just keep walking.1.00
00:09:08.000Okay, and again, people try to portray Charlie as some sort of radical, insane, nasty person that just never came from him, it just didn't.0.99
00:09:15.000So, what should have happened is, of course, banding together against the people who wish to destroy the body politic, Matt Walsh.
00:09:21.000Famously tweeted, the entire right has to band together.0.99
00:09:23.000Enough of this infighting bullshit.1.00
00:09:24.000We're up against demonic forces from the pit of hell.1.00
00:09:26.000They're killing us in our churches.0.95
00:09:54.000We will stand taller and prouder than we ever have, and be louder and bolder than we've ever been, and fight harder than we've ever fought.
00:10:04.000You know, they think they can kill the movement by killing us, but in the entire history of the world, that strategy has never worked.
00:10:17.000You can kill a man, you can shoot him in the neck on stage, you can spill his blood for the whole world to see, but you cannot kill a cause.0.99
00:10:26.000Especially when that cause is nothing else but love of God, love of country, love of family.0.99
00:10:32.000And of course, President Trump spoke similarly.
00:10:34.000He said it was time to end political violence in the United States.
00:10:38.000It's a long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.
00:10:56.000For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.
00:11:08.000This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.
00:11:18.000Okay, so again, what should have happened was a bit of a coming together or a major coming together, particularly on the right.
00:11:24.000What also should have happened was presumably a religious revival.
00:11:29.000Charlie openly talked a lot about his faith, the importance of his faith.
00:11:32.000When asked what was most important in his life, he said, his faith.
00:11:35.000If everything completely goes away, how do you want to be remembered?
00:11:42.000How would you, if you could be associated with one thing, how would you want to be remembered?
00:11:47.000I want to be remembered for courage for my faith.
00:11:51.000That would be the most important thing.
00:11:52.000Most important thing is my faith in my life.
00:11:54.000So, obviously, after Charlie's assassination, there was what can best be termed a gigantic religious revival tent meeting almost for his memorial.
00:12:43.000Of course, it's an incredibly moving moment.
00:12:45.000And then the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, got up and gave a speech talking about Charlie's legacy of faith and the importance of the New Testament.
00:12:53.000One of the things he wants us to take away from this, from all of this, is the following his deep belief that we were all created, every single one of us, before the beginning of time by the hands of the God of the universe, an all powerful God who loved us and created us for the purpose of living with him in eternity.
00:13:14.000But then sin entered the world and separated us from our Creator.
00:13:18.000And so God took on the form of a man and came down and lived among us.
00:13:27.000But on the third day, He rose unlike any mortal man.
00:13:32.000And then, and to prove any doubters wrong, He ate with His disciples so they could see and they touched His wounds.
00:13:42.000He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit, but as flesh.
00:13:46.000And then he rose to the heaven, but he promised he would return, and he will.
00:13:50.000And when he returns, because he took on that death, because he carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that separated us from him.
00:13:58.000And when he returns, there will be a new heaven and a new earth, and we will all be together, and we are going to have a great reunion there again with Charlie and all the people we love.
00:14:10.000Now, again, if what you are looking for is some level of political reunification against political violence, against permission structures, For violence, or even on the right more broadly.
00:14:20.000If what you were looking for was a religious revival, people returning to church, a principled revival of the social fabric that Charlie actually cared about, what that did require was some borders.
00:14:31.000It did require borders because people who tear apart that social fabric, or people who are not part of that movement, or people who take advantage of that movement to tear it apart from the inside, right?
00:14:42.000So, not long after this, unfortunately, things started to fall apart.
00:14:45.000And a couple of months later, I spoke at the CPUSA event pretty famously.
00:14:50.000Where I said this personal feeling is not a substitute for moral judgment.
00:14:55.000To take again the Candace Owens situation as an example, friendship with public figures who say or do evil things is not an excuse for silence on the matter.
00:15:02.000Politics is not the sisterhood of the traveling pants.
00:15:05.000Politics is about principle, and if you're willing to sacrifice basic truth and simple principle in favor of emotional solidarity, you have betrayed your fundamental duty to the American people.
00:15:14.000If you host a Hitler apologist, Nazi loving anti American piece of refuse like Nick Fuentes, there's a reason Charlie despised Nick Fuentes.0.98
00:15:20.000He knew that Nick Fuentes is an evil troll, and building him up is an act of moral imbecility.0.96
00:15:24.000I ripped into Among others, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson, for a very good reason, which was they had decided that the unity of the right was not important.0.92
00:15:33.000They had decided not only that, but that they were going to humor conspiracism with regard to Erica Kirk and TPUSA.
00:15:40.000The vice president of the United States, JD Vance, he got up and he said sort of the opposite.
00:15:44.000He said, There don't need to be any ideological borders, no border control for the conservative movement.
00:15:48.000I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to de platform, and I don't really care if some people out there, I'm sure, will have the fake news media denounce me after this speech.
00:16:00.000But let me just say, the best way to honor Charlie is that none of us here should be doing something after Charlie's death that he himself refused to do in life.
00:16:22.000Charlie invited all of us here for a reason because he believed that each of us, all of us, had something worth saying, and he trusted all of you to make your own judgment.
00:16:35.000And we have far more important work to do than canceling each other.
00:16:40.000We have got to build, and President Donald Trump is a builder.
00:16:45.000Now, again, maybe that was tenable if everybody was oriented in the correct direction, but instead, instead of that moment of unity, Either political or spiritual.
00:16:55.000Instead, what we got was rampant conspiracism promoted by precisely people who were not banished.
00:17:02.000Precisely people who, while they themselves were banishing themselves from the movement, people themselves who were not, in fact, in any way treated with any level of skepticism.
00:17:14.000The ideological border control went away.
00:17:15.000And one of the things that happened was that the moment evolved.
00:17:20.000And it is impossible to tell the story of the last year without talking about this.
00:17:23.000Because that is very much part of the story.
00:17:25.000TPUSA, as we'll talk about with Andrew Colvitt in a little while, is alive and well.
00:17:34.000And it was destroyed by people like, for example, Candace Owens, who spends and has spent literally the entire year since going after TPUSA and Erica Kirk and promoting wild, insane conspiracism with regard to pretty much everybody, up to and including me, among others.
00:17:55.000Just days after Charlie's murder, after suggesting TPUSA was in on it, suggesting that Erica Kirk herself knew things, that there was a cover up going on.
00:21:12.000Well, this, of course, was a permission structure for the left to do the same.
00:21:15.000So for a moment, for a brief moment in time, the left had to, for a second, denounce political violence and pretend that they were upset about Charlie's death.
00:24:03.000Well, again, this is what happened in America.
00:24:06.000And when it came to political unity, when it came to political unity, that was never part of this either.
00:24:13.000Because it turns out all the exact same people who are promoting conspiracism, insane conspiracism, ugly hideousness, all those same exact people are people who have openly declared that they're not part of the movement.
00:24:27.000It wasn't a matter of people like me saying, you're not part of the movement, clearly pointing out the truth.
00:24:32.000It was they themselves saying they are not part of the movement.
00:24:36.000Since that day, Tucker Carlson has declared himself no longer part of the GOP.
00:24:42.000I would not support the Republican Party.
00:24:44.000There's no chance I would support the Republican Party.
00:24:46.000I'm not going to support the Democratic Party.
00:24:47.000I don't know what I'm going to do.0.72
00:24:49.000But at this point, you know, how could you support, how could I or any American voter support a political party that's not loyal to the United States that puts the interests of a foreign country above those of its own citizens?
00:25:00.000Like, that's, you know, it's not possible to vote for people like that.
00:25:12.000I've been a consistent defender for 35 years of the Republican party.
00:25:17.000I mean, very consistent defender, but there's no defending this because it's immoral.
00:25:22.000And it's exactly the opposite of what a political party in a democracy is charged with doing, which is representing its own voters, its own citizens, its own nation.
00:25:40.000Kenneth Owens, of course, suggested that satanic Zionists were occupying the White House and Congress needs to move to have the Mad King Trump removed.0.80
00:25:48.000Tucker called Trump the Antichrist this year.
00:25:51.000Megyn Kelly declared with Sean Ryan that the GOP had betrayed the American people and that all they had left were Epstein fans.
00:25:59.000So, again, if you wanted the unity to last, if you wanted a spiritual revival, if you wanted all those things, it requires you to draw borders because it turns out those borders will be drawn for you in any case.
00:26:50.000Those are the people who are not here.
00:26:52.000Because it turns out, in the end, that if you wish to have a conservative future, you need to actually have a set of conservative principles.
00:26:59.000And one of those principles is basic truth and decency.
00:27:02.000And if you don't have those things, you can't build a movement around anything else.
00:27:28.000I was reflecting on September 9th that a year before September 9th, it was a day like any other, and we were just marching forward.
00:27:37.000You had no idea that the next day, everybody's lives, especially here at Turning Point and on the show, were going to be turned upside down and forever changed.
00:27:49.000It's a terrible anniversary, the most tragic of anniversaries, but it's also a day where it's incumbent on us to remember Charlie's life and the beautiful things that he left us as well.
00:28:12.000So, why don't we start talking a little bit about Erica and how she's been dealing with all this short, beautiful op ed for the New York Times about grief recently.
00:28:19.000And frankly, the amount of just abuse that she's had to take over the course of the last year is just unthinkable to me.
00:28:39.000I think a lot of people will tell you anniversaries are the toughest moment, especially for a spouse of somebody who's died, let alone assassinated in such a public way.
00:28:54.000I think she understood that she wanted to spend this day privately with her kids and some close friends and family and just be away from the noise and just have a day to remember Charlie.
00:29:06.000It's the perfect way for her to do this day, right?
00:29:10.000I don't know if people expected her to be on stage at the RNC or to be at the UVU event, but no, I think it's the right way for her to do this is to just be private with her family and with her kids.
00:29:21.000And so we're here at HQ and we've got a bunch of people around and it's a good thing.
00:29:28.000They all wanted to be able to express their love and admiration for Charlie.
00:29:33.000And so both things can happen at once.
00:29:35.000And I'm really happy with the way the team has come together.
00:29:39.000You know, everybody mourns in their own way, Ben.
00:30:00.000People have to understand Erica's faith in God is tremendous.
00:30:04.000And she is stronger than people realize.
00:30:08.000But, you know, this is hard for anybody.
00:30:11.000So, Andrew, obviously, we're one year past Charlie's death.
00:30:14.000A lot of people were worried that TPUSA would fall apart, that basically without Charlie's unique leadership at the helm, things would go sideways.
00:30:29.000What do you see as the future of the organization?
00:30:32.000Yeah, it's a question that's actually connected to your last question about Erica.
00:30:35.000I've been saying this because to me, it was something I always understood, but I realized at some point that the broader audience had no idea.
00:30:43.000I believe that had Erica not stepped in when she did in that critical moment, I mean, it was so heroic of her.
00:30:52.000It could have been the unraveling of Turning Point.
00:30:54.000Because if you don't understand the inner workings of the organization and the personalities and the way the different verticals work and the different programs work, I truly believe she was the only person that could have stepped in in that moment and sort of steadied the ship and brought everybody together and rallied the entire team behind what her leadership.0.98
00:31:13.000And then there are these other critiques about, oh, a woman shouldn't be CEO.0.55
00:31:17.000And frankly, I disagree on a fundamental level.1.00
00:31:21.000I believe that maybe that's somewhat true.
00:31:24.000Maybe more men are CEOs than women, whatever.
00:31:27.000But the calling of a woman that is a wife and a mom is much different than the calling of a widow, especially of a public person that belonged to the world like Charlie Kirk.
00:31:38.000And so I'm just so proud of her leadership and what she's done.
00:31:44.000I look around the team all the time and I say, you guys are my heroes for what you've endured this year, for what you've been able to accomplish under the most extreme, unthinkable circumstances.
00:31:54.000And yeah, to your point, I mean, our high school chapters have grown almost 200%.
00:32:19.000They're more courageous than ever before.
00:32:21.000Charlie has made them, I'd turn them, I always joke with him that Charlie turned these kids into total lions.
00:32:26.000Like they are fearless, they will not be cowed by attacks, smears, social media, all that stuff.
00:32:31.000So everything's moving forward on that side.
00:32:34.000The college chapters are now at over 1,500.
00:32:37.000And Charlie used to say out loud, I don't think you can get past 1,000 because there's just not enough schools where you can gather that core community because you got commuter schools and things like that.
00:32:48.000Our TPUSA faith has gone from 4,000 churches in our network to 12,000, which is just incredible.
00:32:54.000Lucas and the team are doing a great job there.
00:32:56.000So, piece by piece, we have over a million students that are involved in Turning Point in one way, shape, or form or another.
00:33:01.000We have over a million small dollar donors now to the organization.
00:33:04.000And all of it is just this giant testament.
00:33:08.000To the man that Charlie was, the worthiness of the mission he chose to engage in.
00:33:15.000God's hand of provision, God's faithfulness, even in a political cycle, as you well know, where there is a lot of headwinds, somehow God continues to bless the organization.
00:33:30.000I'm sure you've seen this, but it's one of the annoying parts of my job is that I constantly inundated it with, Charlie would have never done that, or you guys have betrayed what Charlie was.
00:33:39.000And it's like, No, actually, we all were very intimately aware of what Charlie believed and what he wanted and the future.
00:33:46.000It was all sort of scripted, and we had a roadmap through 2032, if you want to know the truth of it.
00:33:51.000And obviously, it gets vaguer as you get further out, and the details fell in as you get closer to those dates.
00:33:57.000But we kind of knew where we were going, and we've tried to remain true to that.
00:34:03.000We want young people to believe in the American dream, to have skin in the game, and we want them to not give in to nihilism and cynicism and scapegoating.
00:34:11.000We want young people to believe in this country.
00:34:14.000And I believe the opportunity for that has never been bigger.
00:34:19.000So, yeah, Andrew, when Charlie was assassinated, I think everyone sort of expected that there would be a couple of things that happened.
00:34:26.000One would have been sort of reunification of the right, particularly because it was a political assassination.
00:34:30.000I mean, Charlie's assassin, Tyler Robinson, killed him for obviously political reasons.0.92
00:34:34.000He was a gay man who is in a relationship with a trans furry man.0.79
00:34:38.000And he was very obvious about his political motivations in killing Charlie.0.85
00:34:41.000I mean, Charlie obviously was an advocate for the basic idea that there is a difference between.
00:34:45.000So you would have expected that the right at the very least would come together around that.
00:34:50.000And you also would have expected that there would be a unity around religious revival, which is something that obviously TPUSA pushed very hard in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's assassination up to and including that extraordinary memorial service that happened in Arizona where I was privileged to attend with 100,000 people coming and people basically trying to rededicate themselves to things like going to church.
00:35:10.000And yeah, that was all kind of a moment of promise.
00:35:12.000And it feels in many ways as though that moment was, in some ways, sullied, and in some ways, you could say stronger, maybe wasted by some people who have attempted to actually fragment that moment and turn what happened with Charlie into anything else.
00:35:26.000Obviously, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that there have been extraordinary levels of conspiracism that have arisen around Charlie's murder.
00:35:32.000It's something I know that you and I've talked about this off the air, but I mean, it's something that you've been dealing with a lot.
00:35:37.000Obviously, Erica's been dealing with it a lot, the organization's been dealing with it a lot, the sort of fragmentation around basic fact.
00:35:43.000The inability to just come to grips with what happened and what should have happened in the aftermath.
00:35:49.000And this was easy stuff, and we just didn't get to the easy stuff.
00:35:52.000Where do you think we go from here, and how serious do you think those fractures are?
00:35:58.000You know, I tend to be a glass half full on this stuff now.
00:36:03.000Maybe six months ago, I wouldn't have been, but I feel better now than I did six months ago.
00:36:07.000And I think in six months, I'm going to feel even better still.
00:36:10.000I think the conservative movement and political movements in general are sort of like a host.
00:36:15.000And then you get these pathogens that are introduced, and then it takes a little while for the antibodies to kick in.
00:36:22.000And I think some of this conspiracy stuff just caught everybody off guard.
00:36:27.000And I think you hit the nail on the head.
00:36:30.000I think a lot of people just assumed everybody was going to come together and unify.
00:36:34.000And so everybody was caught off guard by it.
00:36:36.000I think there was some stuff, it was coming from voices that a lot of people assumed would have been on team, but it turned out they weren't.
00:36:45.000I think having that clarity now, though, that these people want something different, that they are actually forces that are arrayed against us, is helpful.
00:37:10.000First, I would say what God has unleashed, man cannot stop.
00:37:14.000And by the way, if God is omnipotent and all knowing and omnipresent, Then God knew that this was going to happen and that God has a plan for this too.
00:37:22.000And I actually, my belief is that the purging can actually, you know, you've got to take the weeds out of a garden, right?
00:37:43.000I want a coalition that's healthy and that can move forward.
00:37:46.000But I actually sort of wonder if this isn't, We won't look back at this at some point and realize that there was a plan and there was God's providential hand still upon this.
00:37:59.000And I do think that there has, what will emerge from this is so many more people ask me, what's the legacy of Charlie Kirk?
00:38:06.000And I say, I'm not going to know for another 40, 50 years.
00:38:09.000And probably then I won't understand it because there are, and I will tell you how I know this because when you go to college campuses or you speak to turning point students, and I called them lions earlier.
00:38:19.000You will see that there are the future leaders of this country that are forged out of different stuff than you or I, Ben.
00:38:26.000They come from a whole different set of base elements that forged and formed them.
00:38:34.000And I think that the inspiration of Charlie's legacy, his death, is going to do something remarkable in so many of their lives.
00:38:40.000And I truly believe that we're going to have thousands of young people that will lead this country in a great way that were inspired by Charlie.
00:38:46.000And so there have been times, I'm sure, where we all wanted to pull our hair out because.
00:38:52.000It's just, you know, the lack of facts, evidence, reason, logic, all that stuff.
00:38:56.000But I do think that the antibodies are kicking in and, you know, the movement is responding.
00:39:01.000And I think, you know, better days are ahead.
00:39:04.000That's Andrew Cole, the spokesperson for TPUSA.
00:39:07.000Obviously, a rough day for everybody over at TPUSA, but they're doing extraordinary work and they continue to do extraordinary work.
00:39:12.000So, not only our thoughts and prayers to the team at TPUSA, but also to Erica and folks.
00:39:16.000Obviously, TPUSA still needs your contributions.