The Ben Shapiro Show - Our Politics Needs A Bloody Face-Lift | Ep. 331

Trump tweets about a bloody facelift, Mika Brzezinski attacks him, and Time Magazine makes a fake cover about him. Plus, a story about a woman who wants to meet with President Trump and he won t meet with her, and a new tweet about the size of his hands. Ben Shapiro breaks it all down and explains why this is so dumb and why we should all be mad at the people who make it this way. Plus, the latest on a fake Time cover about Trump and his hands, and why it's worse than an internment camp. Ben Shapiro is a writer, comedian, and podcaster. He's also the host of the podcast "The Ben Shapiro Show" on Comedy Central and hosts the radio show "The Daily Show with Chacho Vazquez" and hosts his own podcast, "The Chacho Show," which is on all of the social medias, if you search for it, you'll find it. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and tell a friend about what you think about it! Thanks to our sponsor, Caff Monster Energy Drink. Caff is making great tasting coffee with twice the caffeine and fueling twice the energy and fueling the podcasting revolution you ve been dreaming of! Caff has the best tasting coffee in the entire country! Don't Tell a Friend about it on their social media: or Insta: . and they'll get 20% off your first pack! Can't Say It Better than That? Want to sponsor the show with a discount code: ? Subscribe to the show? Subscribe on Apple Podcasts? Learn more about your ad? Become a supporter? Leave us a review and get 5 stars and get 10% off the entire show for a chance to win a new place to win $5 or more in the VIP package? FREE PRICING SPECIAL PRODUCING WEEKEND AND VIP PROMO AND VIP SUPPORTING VIP PACKAGE AND PROMOTION AND PRIZEDUCATION TO WIN A MONTH GET A PRICY AND A PRODCAST WITH VIP SUPPORT AND PRIVOTION TO BUY A VIP PRIVO PACKAGE TO WIN VIP SUPPORT THE PRIVOR SUPPORT THE PODCAST AND VIP RELATIONSHIP AND VIPIZED IN VIP RATE AND VIP DISCUSSATION AND PROODSIPPET AND VIP TREATATION?

00:00:00.000 On Friday, President Trump, struggling to work with Senate Republicans to pass Obamacare reform, suggested a possible solution.

00:00:06.000 Maybe, just maybe, Republicans should repeal Obamacare and then replace it piecemeal. 0.99

00:00:10.000 He tweeted, quote,

00:00:17.000 Naturally, conservatives, like some people in this room, have been promoting this policy since literally before the 2016 campaign.

00:00:23.000 For, like, seven years.

00:00:25.000 And Trump and the Republicans refused to follow that policy prescription because they believed a simple repeal wouldn't be a good campaign slogan.

00:00:31.000 They wanted the cop out of being able to tell Americans they had a super double secret plan to replace Obamacare.

00:00:36.000 It turns out there was no such plan.

00:00:38.000 And that the Republican caucus is fractious and bickering, and that it unites big spending moderates with conservative free marketers, and that it's kind of difficult to replace Obamacare, much more so than to repeal it outright.

00:00:48.000 But only now, after months of talk about how Republicans want to destroy Medicaid and throw poor people off cliffs and stab grandma in the chest, does Trump come to this eminently obvious solution.

00:00:57.000 One of the great ironies, of course, is that Trump says this directly after meeting with Senator Rand Paul.

00:01:01.000 You'll recall that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell actually wanted to first repeal Obamacare wholesale and then replace it.

00:01:07.000 But it was a guy named Rand Paul who told him not to do so and told Trump that to do so would be a mistake.

00:01:12.000 Now Paul has flipped.

00:01:12.000 He tweeted, quote, This follows hard-on pressure from conservative senators Tom Cotton and Ben Sasse, who said they would push to separate repeal and replace into two pieces.

00:01:18.000 Well,

00:01:27.000 Better late than never.

00:01:28.000 But Republicans are running out of time.

00:01:29.000 They made a promise to the American people.

00:01:31.000 Now it's time to keep that promise.

00:01:33.000 And it looks like maybe President Trump is finally on board.

00:01:35.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:01:36.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:01:42.000 Oh my gosh, there is so much going on in the world, and so much of it is caused by silliness on Twitter and MSNBC.

00:01:47.000 The big story of the day, of course, is that over on MSNBC, Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough are in it with President Trump.

00:01:54.000 And they're in it because yesterday, Mika Brzezinski attacked Trump on the air, and here is what she had to say about Trump.

00:01:59.000 This is clip three.

00:02:01.000 Fake covers of Time Magazine.

00:02:03.000 He was so needy, he had not been on Time yet, that he made his own, okay?

00:02:07.000 Oh my God.

00:02:08.000 This is your boss.

00:02:10.000 This is your boss.

00:02:11.000 He put this on display at at least five of his clubs.

00:02:14.000 It was first flagged by a reporter.

00:02:15.000 He noticed the- Trump is hitting on all fronts, even TV!

00:02:19.000 Several exclamation points on the headlines, something Time Magazine doesn't do.

00:02:25.000 The Make Believe cover is dated March 1st, 2009 and highlights Trump's reality show, The Apprentice.

00:02:31.000 Time Magazine has since asked Trump to remove the phony cover.

00:02:34.000 Phony! 0.98

00:02:35.000 A phony, fake, pathetic, made-up cover of Time Magazine! 1.00

00:02:43.000 That's your boss! 1.00

00:02:44.000 In an email to the Post, the White House couldn't comment on whether the President knew it wasn't a real cover.

00:02:51.000 Okay, so she called him needy and then she talked about his tiny hands and all this kind of stuff.

00:02:54.000 And so Trump fired back yesterday with that tweet about how Mika had a bloody facelift and wanted to meet with him and he said, no, I won't meet with her.

00:03:01.000 Her face is all bloody. 0.99

00:03:02.000 It's a weird, bloody face, facelift, facelift, bloody. 0.99

00:03:05.000 Okay, so Trump obviously, like, come on. 0.94

00:03:10.000 What is going on?

00:03:12.000 What is going on?

00:03:14.000 What alternative universe did we stumble into? 0.99

00:03:17.000 Every night I go to bed and I think, the world can't get any stupider. 0.97

00:03:19.000 And then every morning I wake up and I think, well, things were so much smarter last night. 1.00

00:03:23.000 I mean, this is so dumb. 1.00

00:03:25.000 And then it got dumber. 1.00

00:03:26.000 So Trump did this routine yesterday where he tweets out about a bloody facelift. 0.98

00:03:29.000 So he's the president of the United States.

00:03:30.000 For God's sake, man, grow a second layer of skin. 0.96

00:03:33.000 For the love of God, get a shell. 0.99

00:03:35.000 Because this is ridiculous. 0.98

00:03:36.000 I mean, if the worst that happens to you is Mika Brzezinski says something unkind about the size of your hands on national TV, get the hell over it. 0.99

00:03:45.000 And Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough, I mean, yes, they're TV clowns. 0.89

00:03:49.000 I mean, why is this any surprise so this morning?

00:03:53.000 This becomes a very serious issue yesterday.

00:03:54.000 A very, very serious issue.

00:03:55.000 We must take it super seriously.

00:03:57.000 We can't laugh about it.

00:03:59.000 It's very serious. 1.00

00:04:00.000 The president is a sexist. 0.99

00:04:01.000 It's worse than Watergate. 0.99

00:04:04.000 It's worse than Bill Clinton stooping an intern in the Oval Office.

00:04:06.000 It is worse than FDR locking up all the Japanese folks in internment camps.

00:04:11.000 It is worse than all of those things combined, the president said about Mika Brzezinski's bloody face.

00:04:15.000 So, listen, do I think it's appropriate?

00:04:17.000 No.

00:04:17.000 Do I think that it's degrading to the country?

00:04:19.000 Yes.

00:04:19.000 Do I think it's degrading to the office of the presidency?

00:04:21.000 But I think we've been degraded for a while.

00:04:23.000 I think Trump is the culmination of a grand pattern toward the degradation of our civil society.

00:04:28.000 In any case, everybody in the media just goes insane.

00:04:31.000 So, Mika and Joe, who are now married, I guess, they decide that they are going to skip their vacation and show back up this morning, because after all, as I said yesterday, the only people who benefit in this Trump-Mika Brzezinski-Joe Scarborough battle are the people who I just spoke about.

00:04:46.000 Right, and I guess us, because it's amusing.

00:04:48.000 But, aside from that, the only people who benefit are the media, who like to cover this, and Trump, who likes to hit the media for his own side to go, Yay!

00:04:56.000 Yeah!

00:04:57.000 Okay, so, in any case.

00:05:00.000 They come out this morning and they say that the president is terrible and awful and then they tell a story.

00:05:07.000 And the story is now making the rounds because they make a relatively serious accusation about the president of the United States using the power of his office to attempt to push them to change their coverage of him by essentially blackmailing them.

00:05:19.000 Here's the story that they tell.

00:05:21.000 We got a call that, hey, the National Enquirer is going to run a negative story against you guys.

00:05:28.000 And it was, you know, Donald is friends with, the President is friends with the guy that runs the National Enquirer.

00:05:36.000 And they said, if you call the President up, and you apologize for your coverage,

00:05:45.000 Then he will pick up the phone and basically spike the story.

00:05:50.000 I had, I will just say, three people at the very top of the administration calling me.

00:05:59.000 And the response was like, are you kidding me?

00:06:02.000 I don't know what they have.

00:06:03.000 Run a story?

00:06:04.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:06:06.000 The calls kept coming, and kept coming, and they were like, call.

00:06:10.000 You need to call.

00:06:11.000 Please call.

00:06:13.000 Come on, Joe, just pick up the phone and call him.

00:06:15.000 It's blackmail.

00:06:16.000 And let me explain what they were threatening.

00:06:19.000 They were calling my children.

00:06:22.000 They were calling close friends.

00:06:23.000 You're talking about the National Enquirer.

00:06:25.000 And they were pinning the story on my ex-husband, who would absolutely never do that, so I knew immediately it was a lie, and that they had nothing.

00:06:34.000 And these calls persisted for quite some time, and then Joe had the conversations that he had with the White House, where they said, oh, this could go away.

00:06:44.000 Okay, so this is a pretty heavy accusation that they're making right now, right?

00:06:46.000 They're accusing the President of the United States and his top aides of threatening them with a bad National Enquirer story, unless they apologize to the President of the United States for being mean to him.

00:06:56.000 Now, is the story plausible?

00:06:58.000 Sure, the story's plausible.

00:06:59.000 I mean, why wouldn't it be plausible?

00:07:01.000 Really?

00:07:01.000 I mean, the President of the United States, when he was just candidate Trump, was very, very close to the National Enquirer, talked about how she won a Pulitzer, repeated their headlines about Rafael Cruz murdering JFK and all this nonsense, and then said, oh, well, I didn't have anything to do with that.

00:07:13.000 I have nothing to do with that.

00:07:14.000 Okay.

00:07:15.000 I didn't believe it then.

00:07:16.000 I don't know.

00:07:34.000 Trump using, you know, being a blunt instrument of self-destruction is not anything remotely shocking, right?

00:07:41.000 If he actually did this, and it's an if, because Scarborough and Mika are alleging this, and he's saying he has texts to prove it.

00:07:48.000 I assume that we'll see those texts sometime in the near future.

00:07:51.000 Trump is saying that that's not what happened, that actually Scarborough called Trump and urged him to kill the National Enquirer story.

00:07:57.000 Scarborough says, I have phone records showing that the calls went the other way.

00:07:59.000 Okay, whatever.

00:08:01.000 All of this is not shocking in any real way because all of the actors are acting just as you would expect them to act.

00:08:07.000 I mean, President Trump is not only a bull in a china shop, he threatens people.

00:08:12.000 He does.

00:08:12.000 I mean, this is not like a big shock.

00:08:14.000 It's not.

00:08:15.000 And it's a bad thing.

00:08:15.000 It's a bad thing.

00:08:16.000 But I have another question, and this is one more about the media.

00:08:19.000 Why didn't Micah and Joe, Micah and Joe, reveal this when it happened?

00:08:23.000 So they said that they told NBC News Higher Ups.

00:08:25.000 This happened apparently in April, early May.

00:08:27.000 It is now, last I checked, late June.

00:08:30.000 What happened in the last two months?

00:08:32.000 Why didn't they reveal this at the time?

00:08:33.000 Pretty devastating accusation, right?

00:08:34.000 I mean, at the time, you come out and you say, this morning I got a call from the White House.

00:08:38.000 There's a National Enquirer story that's about to run.

00:08:40.000 It's a hit piece on me and Mika.

00:08:42.000 And the President of the United States called me up and said that he wanted a personal apology from me or the National Enquirer was going to run the story.

00:08:48.000 You don't think that's newsworthy?

00:08:50.000 You don't think that's newsworthy?

00:08:51.000 Why wouldn't you reveal that?

00:08:52.000 And this demonstrates, the point that I'm making is this demonstrates the tacit game that is being played by the media and by Trump, by the White House and by the media, and it was true during Obama, it's true now.

00:09:01.000 There's a tacit game that's being played to raise everybody's ratings and to keep attention on the media, and the last thing they want to do is destroy the game.

00:09:10.000 What we are watching right now is a giant kabuki theater.

00:09:12.000 What we are watching right now is WWE.

00:09:14.000 If this were a legit fight, Joe Scarborough and Mika would have come out immediately and revealed this story.

00:09:18.000 If the White House threatened me with coverage, do you think I would hold that back?

00:09:22.000 Or do you think I would report that?

00:09:23.000 I would report that the day of, right?

00:09:25.000 The day of.

00:09:26.000 Before the phone call was over, I would be texting other media outlets. 0.97

00:09:28.000 I mean, are you crazy?

00:09:29.000 Why wouldn't I report that? 0.86

00:09:30.000 That is the most newsworthy thing Mika and Joe have ever done.

00:09:33.000 It's a lot more newsworthy than a coverage of Trump.

00:09:35.000 But you can see the Kabuki theater because now they have to come back and try and claim that this is all a giant shock to them.

00:09:40.000 They have to claim that this is all just a big surprise to them.

00:09:42.000 So here are Mika and Joe this morning saying, well, you know, we never expected this from President Trump.

00:09:48.000 Really?

00:09:49.000 You want to talk about fake news?

00:09:50.000 You never expected this from him?

00:09:51.000 Never?

00:09:52.000 Expected this from Donald J. Trump, the most public figure in probably American history?

00:09:58.000 That guy? 0.99

00:09:59.000 The one who's famous for firing people and bullying people and being a general jackass? 0.99

00:10:03.000 You never expected this kind of behavior from him? 0.95

00:10:04.000 Like, after last year when he insulted Heidi Cruz's looks via Twitter?

00:10:08.000 After last year when he said that Carly Fiorina's face was the reason not to vote for her?

00:10:13.000 Really?

00:10:14.000 That's the fake news.

00:10:15.000 The fake news is that Trump... Well, Trump changed.

00:10:17.000 Trump changed.

00:10:17.000 Again, all excuse making because this is all just a game.

00:10:20.000 It's all just a game.

00:10:21.000 Here they are.

00:10:23.000 The guy that's in the White House now is not the guy we knew two years ago.

00:10:27.000 Not even close.

00:10:27.000 The guy that's in the White House now is not even close because the Donald Trump we knew, for the better part of 10, 12 years, was always in on the joke.

00:10:36.000 Yeah.

00:10:37.000 He'd like, he'd go, here's Trump water, and then he'd wink at you.

00:10:39.000 Yeah.

00:10:40.000 Right?

00:10:40.000 And here's this.

00:10:41.000 Hey, look, look at it.

00:10:42.000 And it always winked, kind of like, they love that.

00:10:44.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, look, look, they love that.

00:10:46.000 You know, it's like, they just come here, they love seeing my name, it makes them feel like they're part of something.

00:10:51.000 He was always in on the joke.

00:10:54.000 Without getting into great detail, I will just say that somebody at the top of his campaign last summer said to me, we're all really worried about his emotional state.

00:11:05.000 But this is our analysis.

00:11:07.000 No, this isn't our analysis.

00:11:09.000 I'm telling you what somebody said.

00:11:12.000 This guy is not even the same person he was a year ago.

00:11:15.000 Oh, he's totally radically changed.

00:11:16.000 Are you out of your mind?

00:11:18.000 He's totally radically changed?

00:11:20.000 Really?

00:11:21.000 Really?

00:11:24.000 Come on! 0.61

00:11:25.000 What does all this say?

00:11:26.000 What it really says is, again, there's a game being played where the media have an interest in playing up the drama, and Trump has an interest in playing up the drama, and a lot of the drama is overwrought and fake.

00:11:35.000 Mika says mean things about Trump.

00:11:36.000 Trump says mean things about Mika.

00:11:37.000 All of it is wildly inappropriate from the office of the presidency.

00:11:40.000 It's inappropriate for the media to attack the president's teeny hands for no reason. 1.00

00:11:45.000 It's just vindictive and stupid. 0.99

00:11:47.000 All of it is just a monster of the fact that after all this is over, I promise you, within three months, Mika and Joe will be at the White House hanging out with Trump and doing an interview where they're all making love, okay? 1.00

00:11:57.000 That's what's gonna happen, I promise.

00:11:58.000 Within the next few months, all of this will have blown over, and Trump will do an apology to them, and it'll be a quasi-apology, and they'll apologize to him, and they'll all make up, and it'll be all sweet and nice, at least on the surface, okay? 0.99

00:12:09.000 Maybe down deep they hate each other, but it's all just stupid stuff. 0.98

00:12:13.000 And Trump is not helping himself with it, and the media are not helping themselves. 1.00

00:12:16.000 They're helping themselves in the rating, but they are not helping themselves when it comes to their credibility.

00:12:20.000 Their credibility continues to fail.

00:12:22.000 Now, speaking of their failing credibility, you know, Trump continues to attack CNN.

00:12:26.000 So while he's now attacking MSNBC, he's also attacking CNN.

00:12:30.000 So he's going after CNN.

00:12:31.000 He has been for a couple weeks.

00:12:32.000 Yesterday, he was speaking.

00:12:33.000 It's Energy Week, lest you forget.

00:12:35.000 It is Energy Week.

00:12:36.000 I like when they declare it a particular week, and then the week has nothing to do with what they said it was going to be about.

00:12:41.000 Energy Week is apparently bloody facelift.

00:12:43.000 All of American politics, I think, at this point, we can all agree, needs a bloody facelift. 0.95

00:12:47.000 A bloody, bloody facelift, okay? 0.58

00:12:49.000 So here is President Trump talking about CNN and its fake news.

00:12:53.000 Many of us remember the long gas lines and the constant claims that the world was running out of oil and natural gas.

00:13:02.000 Americans were told that our nation could only solve this energy crisis by imposing draconian restrictions on energy production.

00:13:13.000 But we now know that was all a big, beautiful myth.

00:13:18.000 It was fake.

00:13:20.000 Don't we love that term?

00:13:21.000 Fake.

00:13:22.000 What we've learned about fake over the last little while.

00:13:25.000 Fake news.

00:13:28.000 CNN.

00:13:29.000 Fake.

00:13:32.000 Okay, so this is like a little Pavlovian response, and now the smile and the wink at the camera.

00:13:36.000 Okay, again, this is being broadcast on CNN.

00:13:38.000 The whole game is pretty transparent.

00:13:40.000 But, you know, what's even more transparent is that none of this has to do with bettering our politics in any serious way.

00:13:47.000 So, James O'Keefe has been doing a really interesting series of videos where he went sort of undercover with CNN, and he's got a bunch of CNN people on tape saying things.

00:13:56.000 Here's the stuff I think that O'Keefe is covering that is worthwhile, and here's the stuff I think that is just the wink and nod at the conservative audience, ooh, here is some red meat, eat it, right? 0.54

00:14:05.000 Okay, so the stuff that matters is the first producer he talked to, this Joe Bonifield guy, said openly that the top of the network was saying to cover the Russia stuff even though there was no substance to it for ratings.

00:14:15.000 That is a substantive critique of CNN.

00:14:17.000 That is an important thing.

00:14:18.000 That right there is breaking news from James O'Keefe that actually matters, right?

00:14:21.000 That's the stuff that I care about, which is CNN actually, like, what we see on TV is a lie, and they're doing it for ratings.

00:14:28.000 That's actual news.

00:14:29.000 What is not actual news is the various random thoughts in private of random associate producers.

00:14:35.000 So, O'Keefe broke another tape last night.

00:14:38.000 CNN, it's an impartial right?

00:14:39.000 What's the view of Trump in the media circle? 0.97

00:14:58.000 On the inside, we all recognize he is a clown, that he is hilariously unqualified for this, that he's really bad at this, and that he does not have America's best interests at heart. 1.00

00:15:10.000 We recognize he's just crazy. 0.99

00:15:13.000 I mean, here's the deal. 0.99

00:15:14.000 This is a man who's not actually Republican.

00:15:16.000 He's not actually Republican.

00:15:17.000 He just adopted that because that was the party he thought he could win in.

00:15:21.000 He doesn't believe anything that these people believe. 0.99

00:15:24.000 90% of us are on board with just the fact that he's crazy.

00:15:25.000 What do you mean, 90% are on board what?

00:15:27.000 With her? 0.98

00:15:27.000 I wouldn't say with her, but just acknowledge the fact that he's crazy. 0.98

00:15:56.000 Okay, so this part right here, stop it there for a second. 0.99

00:15:59.000 So, when he says all this stuff, this is the newsworthy stuff, where he says everybody at CNN agrees that Trump is crazy.

00:16:04.000 Okay, that's newsworthy because now he's talking about the inspirity of CNN.

00:16:08.000 He's talking about how everyone at CNN who pretends to be objective is actually not objective. 0.98

00:16:12.000 They think that Trump is crazy. 0.98

00:16:13.000 Okay. 0.91

00:16:14.000 All of that is newsworthy and all of that is true.

00:16:16.000 I mean, it's not not that Trump is crazy, but that they think this.

00:16:19.000 We all knew this, right?

00:16:20.000 Is that any great shock to any of us?

00:16:21.000 No, it's not a shock that people at CNN think this.

00:16:23.000 In fact, some of them come out and say it openly on air while purporting to be objective.

00:16:28.000 So that's not a shock.

00:16:29.000 The part that I object to about this tape a little bit is the part that's coming up.

00:16:32.000 And that is, this associate producer then starts giving his private views about various matters sundry.

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00:18:34.000 Okay, so on to the rest of this interview.

00:18:37.000 One of the things that I've seen from the right, and this is happening in defense of Trump, is this attempt to say that when Trump tweets nasty things out about Mika Brzezinski,

00:18:46.000 I don't want to be rude here.

00:18:47.000 I'll be careful how I put it.

00:18:48.000 You're at least some percentage Irish-Scottish.

00:18:50.000 Would it be fair to question the intellect of the American voter? 1.00

00:18:52.000 Oh no, you're stupid. 1.00

00:19:14.000 Now, and of course the thing that pisses the White House off is because we actually had that awful woman, Kellyanne Conway, you know, the blonde... Who's, who's, sorry, who? 1.00

00:19:24.000 Kellyanne Conway.

00:19:25.000 What's she look like? 0.98

00:19:26.000 Is she the one with the... She looks like she would do a show. 1.00

00:19:29.000 Okay, so the people on the right are saying, well, you know, you've got this associate producer, Jimmy Carr of CNN, saying that she looks like she got hit with a shovel.

00:19:35.000 First of all, there are a thousand associate producers at CNN, but, you know, people are saying, oh, look at this.

00:19:39.000 This is just as bad as Trump.

00:19:41.000 It's just terrible. 0.62

00:19:42.000 It's just the worst thing, and it's just as bad as Trump.

00:19:45.000 So the same right that has excused Trump on the bloody facelift stuff, and on the Fiorina's face stuff, and on the Heidi Cruz's ugly stuff, they say this associate producer at CNN, how dare he?

00:19:55.000 How dare he?

00:19:57.000 Here is my problem with this, and even what he says about the American voter. 1.00

00:20:02.000 I've said, I think, on the show before that I think a lot of voters are dumb. 0.99

00:20:06.000 We voted for Obama twice. 0.99

00:20:08.000 The American public voted for Obama twice, and then gave us as nominees Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

00:20:13.000 I'm not going to go with the all-knowing wisdom of the American voter.

00:20:16.000 I think that we are wise about our own interests.

00:20:18.000 I'm not sure that we are wise about politics or the Constitution, which is why the country has been consistently drifting left for the last 80 years. 1.00

00:20:24.000 You know, everybody, oh my god, he said the voters are stupid. 1.00

00:20:26.000 Okay, come on, come on, you've said the voters are stupid. 1.00

00:20:29.000 Be real. 1.00

00:20:29.000 You've said it. 1.00

00:20:30.000 You said, look at all these other people, they're so dumb. 1.00

00:20:32.000 Okay, like, come on, everybody has said that. 1.00

00:20:33.000 And then, this guy says that, uh, Kellyanne Conway looks like she got hit with a shovel.

00:20:37.000 So.

00:20:38.000 Is this something he should have said?

00:20:39.000 No, it's not something he should have said.

00:20:41.000 But I'm getting concerned about the tendency, both right and left, to suggest that private speech is exactly the same as public speech.

00:20:49.000 That if you say something privately to your friend, that's exactly the same as the President of the United States, the most powerful man on planet Earth, going on Twitter and saying it.

00:20:55.000 Uh, no.

00:20:56.000 No.

00:20:56.000 Okay?

00:20:56.000 There are only three types of people who say exactly the same thing in public that they say in private.

00:21:00.000 Okay?

00:21:01.000 Saints, because they say great things, wonderful things in private, and then they say wonderful things in public.

00:21:05.000 Okay, evil people who say evil things in private, and then they don't care that they're evil, and so they say evil things publicly. 0.98

00:21:12.000 And fools, right, who will just say whatever comes to mind. 0.97

00:21:15.000 And it doesn't matter if they're public, doesn't matter if they're private, they're exactly the same in public as in private. 0.97

00:21:19.000 The rest of us, we say things to our friends that we don't want publicly exposed, we say things to our spouses we don't want publicly exposed.

00:21:26.000 One of the aspects of freedom, one of the basic aspects of freedom is this distinction between public and private.

00:21:32.000 We used to recognize this.

00:21:34.000 Totalitarian countries basically said there should be no distinction.

00:21:36.000 What you say in public and what you say in private should be exactly the same.

00:21:38.000 So we will tape you, we'll put the Stasi on you, we'll make sure that you never say anything privately because maybe, maybe you're thinking that when you go out and act publicly. 0.95

00:21:45.000 In a free society, how we treat each other publicly is how we judge one another.

00:21:49.000 So if I think privately, God, I really don't feel like giving charity, but then I sign a $100 check to a charity,

00:21:55.000 My private thoughts are of no consequence to the society around me.

00:21:58.000 Okay?

00:21:59.000 Only my actions.

00:22:00.000 Only my actions.

00:22:01.000 Or, if I say privately to somebody, God, I really, really can't stand that Barack Obama.

00:22:06.000 Right? 0.97

00:22:07.000 He's just awful.

00:22:07.000 And then I go out publicly and I say, you know, he's not my favorite president, I don't like his policies.

00:22:12.000 Is that the end of the world?

00:22:14.000 No, it's not the end of the world.

00:22:16.000 Okay?

00:22:16.000 And this whole idea that we're supposed to invade everybody's pri- Like, especially people who were pro-Trump.

00:22:22.000 I think I was pretty consistent on this. 0.88

00:22:24.000 I said this about Donald Sterling, who is, I think, a complete douchebag, but Donald Sterling was caught on tape by his then-girlfriend, Vy Stiviano, saying that he didn't want Magic Johnson coming to Lakers games because he's black or something.

00:22:36.000 And then he lost the entire Clippers team, and I said, or he didn't want them coming to Clippers games. 0.97

00:22:41.000 And I said, I think that he's a horrific person,

00:22:44.000 But I don't like the idea that we are going to deprive people of their careers and resources based on private conversations that they have because we all say things to each other privately that we don't want to expose publicly.

00:22:55.000 And if you disagree with me, then I suggest you take all of your emails and you dump them publicly.

00:22:59.000 I suggest you tape all of your private conversations and dump them publicly.

00:23:02.000 The distinction between private and public is very important because we practice out in private what it is appropriate to say in public.

00:23:08.000 So yes, it matters more.

00:23:10.000 It matters more that the president tweets nasty things out than it does that Jimmy Carr, a CNN associate producer, said in a private conversation at a coffee house that Kellyanne Conway looks like she was hit in the face with a shovel. 0.98

00:23:20.000 Yes, it matters more.

00:23:22.000 Because the president is the president, and this guy's a random dude.

00:23:24.000 And second, because the president deliberately said it publicly.

00:23:27.000 I guarantee you, if you put Jimmy Carr on camera publicly, you put him on CNN and asked him, what do you think of Kellyanne Conway's looks, he wouldn't say anything like this.

00:23:33.000 We all say things privately that we wouldn't say publicly because we know that it is not appropriate to say things publicly.

00:23:39.000 And that's a good thing.

00:23:40.000 That's not a lack of honesty.

00:23:41.000 That's what allows us to live with each other.

00:23:43.000 If we said all the things publicly that we said about each other privately, we would never be able to live with each other.

00:23:49.000 This is called tact.

00:23:50.000 This is why some of us have it.

00:23:52.000 It's a useful thing.

00:23:53.000 And undermining that on behalf of a guy who just says whatever comes to mind, I don't think Trump is evil. 0.99

00:23:58.000 I just think that he's a fool when it comes to him saying private thoughts publicly. 0.98

00:24:02.000 I don't think he's a saint, as some of his followers seem to think. 0.99

00:24:06.000 And I don't think that he's evil, as some of his detractors seem to think. 0.95

00:24:08.000 I think that he's foolish about how he uses his rhetoric and language.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, just because he does that doesn't mean that we should undermine this difference between private and public. 0.85

00:24:15.000 We practice in private what we say in public.

00:24:18.000 And yes, we should be better about what we say in private, too.

00:24:20.000 But that is not the same thing as what we say in public, and if we make these the same thing, we are going to destroy a civil society in which we all can live.

00:24:27.000 Okay, so, as we continue here on the show, we are going to talk about the mailbag, and we are going to talk about 0.99

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 01, 2017

Our Politics Needs A Bloody Face-Lift | Ep. 331

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