The Ben Shapiro Show - Out With the Reince, In With The Kelly | Ep. 351

00:00:00.000 President Trump is making single life great again, at least for one Florida woman who says she's divorcing her husband in part over his inability to deal with her love for the commander-in-chief.

00:00:08.000 According to divorce records, Palm Beach State Attorney Dave Ehrenberg and his wife Lynn Ehrenberg, a former Miami Dolphins cheerleader, are parting ways for a variety of reasons ranging from a willingness to have children to her politics.

00:00:19.000 Quote, a staunch Republican and supporter of President Trump, Lynn also said she felt increasingly isolated in their marriage.

00:00:25.000 Their public relations release stated, Ehrenberg is a Democrat, Lynn is a Republican.

00:00:29.000 It wasn't an issue at first, but that was before the Hillary Trump saga, she explained, and as that built, the tension in our relationship built.

00:00:36.000 Dave Varenberg was tangentially involved in the 2016 election when he dropped assault charges against then-Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.

00:00:42.000 He worked with Trump at Mar-a-Lago for years, but after Trump's political rise, he tried to distance himself.

00:00:48.000 I'm walking through the red carpet, Lynn stated, and he's sneaking through the bushes.

00:00:51.000 He'd ask me not to take pictures.

00:00:52.000 He wouldn't want me to post them.

00:00:53.000 I didn't listen to him.

00:00:55.000 She says she took selfies with Trump and her husband didn't like it.

00:00:58.000 Obviously, Lynn is hungry for some publicity, but there are a few lessons from this tragic tale of marital woe.

00:01:03.000 First, two publicity-hungry people probably shouldn't marry each other.

00:01:06.000 This seems like a lesson that the Scaramuccis have also learned in the recent past.

00:01:09.000 Their agendas obviously weren't aligned, and if Mrs. Ehrenberg's agenda deviated from her husband's, she seemed happy to ignore his agenda in favor of her own and vice versa.

00:01:18.000 Second,

00:01:18.000 People of different political preferences should think seriously before tying the knot.

00:01:23.000 Politics often reflects deeper values, and while we're fond of papering over those differences because of love, the reality of marriage requires that two people share a set of values in order to live a successful life together.

00:01:34.000 Finally, the Trump era has polarized people in a unique way.

00:01:37.000 That's because Trump himself is polarizing.

00:01:39.000 He's loud and he's brash, with a thousand character flaws that endear him to some and alienate others.

00:01:43.000 People tend to see feelings about Trump as a referendum on character.

00:01:47.000 And that speaks to the problem with treating our politicians as celebrities in general.

00:01:50.000 The point of politics is that we have certain policies and ideas we would like to see promulgated.

00:01:55.000 And politicians are a vehicle for those policies and ideas.

00:01:58.000 The character of politicians only matters insofar as it speaks to the trustworthiness and capableness of the person making promises with regard to policy.

00:02:07.000 But now, policy has taken a backseat to the attitude of politicians.

00:02:10.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:11.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:44.000 Oh, there's a lot happening in the news.

00:02:45.000 I'm still a little bit wiped out, to be honest with you.

00:02:46.000 We had a debate with Cenk Uyghur last night.

00:02:51.000 I'm still bad with his last name, but it was a lot of fun over at Politicon last night.

00:02:55.000 Huge crowd, like 3,000 people.

00:02:57.000 We had to move the auditorium.

00:02:59.000 Mostly fans of the show, fans of mine.

00:03:01.000 It was great.

00:03:02.000 Thank you all for coming out.

00:03:03.000 Really appreciate it.

00:03:04.000 We did a Q&A as well.

00:03:05.000 That was fantastic.

00:03:06.000 800, 900 people showed up, standing room only.

00:03:08.000 There's a real hunger, I think, for politics and for

00:03:12.000 Truth-telling and honesty in politics, and I really do appreciate that that's the case.

00:03:16.000 It was actually a really good debate.

00:03:17.000 It was a substantive debate.

00:03:18.000 I was not expecting it to be, to be honest with you.

00:03:19.000 I thought that it was going to devolve into name-calling and nastiness because I'd seen Chang's debates with Ann Coulter and Dinesh D'Souza the last couple of years.

00:03:27.000 But Cenk really did stick to the topics, which is fantastic, and I think I did too, and it was a really good back and forth.

00:03:32.000 I'll let you be the judge of who you thought won, but it was really great.

00:03:36.000 We're going to play some clips of it tomorrow.

00:03:37.000 We're pulling all the clips of it today, so we'll have some material tomorrow.

00:03:41.000 It was fascinating and interesting, and I think really good.

00:03:44.000 I think we need more of those kinds of debates.

00:03:46.000 Also, we're going to get to everything Trump-related, the replacements in the cabinet, where he stands, what happens with tax reform, what's going on with Trump, a lot to go through there.

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00:05:07.000 The big news over the weekend, and we discussed it a little bit on Friday, is that Reince Priebus is gone.

00:05:11.000 So that happened shortly after we filmed our show on Friday.

00:05:15.000 I posted a little Facebook note about it, but the situation surrounding Priebus being ousted was really quite incredible.

00:05:22.000 So Priebus was fired.

00:05:23.000 Apparently, they took him

00:05:25.000 There's still debate over whether he had resigned the previous day, so remember, we have to reverse course for a second, remember, Anthony Scaramucci was hired as the new White House head of comms, and Scaramucci had designs on being the guy closest to Trump, that meant that he wanted to oust Priebus.

00:05:40.000 So, he did an interview on the record with the New Yorker, in which he suggested that Steve Bannon wanted to perform anatomically impossible acts upon himself, and suggested that Reince Priebus was a paranoid schizophrenic who was always afraid someone was out to get him.

00:05:53.000 It turns out someone was out to get him.

00:05:54.000 A guy named Anthony Scaramucci, as it turns out.

00:05:57.000 And after that interview happened, Trump didn't discipline Scaramucci.

00:06:00.000 He didn't say anything about Scaramucci saying anything bad.

00:06:02.000 He didn't say that that was inappropriate.

00:06:04.000 None of that.

00:06:04.000 Apparently, according to the New York Post, he loved the interview with Scaramucci because this is who Trump is, okay?

00:06:09.000 Trump is a combative guy.

00:06:11.000 He has a potty mouth and really likes when people yell at each other.

00:06:14.000 He sort of finds it entertaining.

00:06:16.000 He really is, in terms of personnel, a lot like the Joker from Dark Knight.

00:06:20.000 You know, break this pool cue, there's only one slot available.

00:06:23.000 Apparently he was angry at Reince Priebuses, according to reports, which is just hilarious.

00:06:26.000 He was angry at Reince that Reince didn't fire back at Scaramucci.

00:06:29.000 So he liked that Scaramucci was saying that Reince was a paranoid schizophrenic who didn't have Trump's best intentions at heart, and he was angry at Reince that Reince didn't slap Scaramucci back so he could watch the slap fight, which is just a very Joffrey Baratheon thing to do.

00:06:42.000 I mean, it's pretty incredible.

00:06:44.000 So the next day, Reince supposedly—that day, apparently—Reince supposedly resigns, except that

00:06:49.000 He didn't really resign.

00:06:51.000 He went on a plane with Trump to Long Island, where Trump did a speech to some sort of police event, which was controversial in and of itself, because Trump said something about how if you're a police officer, you don't be too gentle with suspects, like putting a hand on the top of their head when they get in a car so they don't bump their head.

00:07:06.000 They just killed somebody.

00:07:07.000 Why are you doing that? 0.92

00:07:08.000 The left went nuts over that.

00:07:08.000 But in any case, I think that's a bit exaggerated.

00:07:12.000 I don't think Trump was openly calling for police brutality.

00:07:14.000 But in any case,

00:07:16.000 What happened is that Reince gets on the plane.

00:07:19.000 He comes back on the plane.

00:07:20.000 While they're on the plane, Trump tweets out that Reince has been fired and he's been replaced by General John Kelly.

00:07:25.000 Kelly is the head of the Department of Homeland Security.

00:07:27.000 So Reince says, I resigned yesterday, but that doesn't explain why I was on the plane.

00:07:30.000 So they get out of the plane and Reince gets in a car with apparently Dan Scavino, who's one of the comms directors over at the White House, as well as, I think it was Bannon, was the third person.

00:07:38.000 And then

00:07:40.000 Scavino and Bannon get out of that car, get in another car, and drive in the opposite direction, and Reince Priebus just drives off into the sunset.

00:07:48.000 It really was very much like the scene from The Godfather.

00:07:51.000 You know, leave the gun, take the cannoli.

00:07:53.000 And Reince is sort of left there by himself.

00:07:57.000 So Trump now has to paper this over.

00:07:58.000 So on Friday, he says, Reince is great.

00:08:01.000 I love Reince.

00:08:02.000 Sure, I didn't say anything when people were saying he was a paranoid schizophrenic.

00:08:04.000 Sure, I've been ripping on him paper.

00:08:06.000 John Elie will do a fantastic job.

00:08:17.000 General Kelly has been a star.

00:08:20.000 Done an incredible job thus far.

00:08:22.000 Respected by everybody.

00:08:24.000 A great, great American.

00:08:27.000 Reince Priebus, a good man.

00:08:28.000 Thank you very much.

00:08:29.000 I love that.

00:08:31.000 John Kelly's a great American.

00:08:32.000 Reince Priebus, he's a dude.

00:08:34.000 I knew him for a little while.

00:08:35.000 Yeah.

00:08:36.000 Okay, so there's a lot of hope.

00:08:39.000 In the Trump administration and from Trump followers, that now that Kelly, who's a general, is in charge, in terms of the White House Chief of Staff, that there will be a little more structure to this, because so far we have seen the exit of the National Security Advisor, the firing of the FBI Director, Trump attacking his own Attorney General, we've seen the ouster of Reince Priebus, and we've seen the ouster of Sean Spicer.

00:08:56.000 That's a lot of turnover.

00:08:57.000 In any organization, that's a lot of turnover.

00:09:00.000 Like here at the Ben Shapiro Show, we've actually had the same staff since day one, because we did a pretty good job of selecting our staff.

00:09:05.000 Trump said he had selected the best people,

00:09:07.000 Yeah, hard to argue that when you're firing somebody every couple of months.

00:09:10.000 I thought there was a funny tweet from somebody on Friday that says, Is Trump aware that he doesn't have to fire somebody every Friday?

00:09:15.000 Because the Friday before was Sean Spicer and then last week was Ryan Spiebus.

00:09:21.000 And this is one of the reasons why you're seeing his approval rating plummet among Republicans.

00:09:25.000 There's a feeling that Trump is in over his head and that he doesn't actually know what he's doing.

00:09:29.000 The combination of the fact that Trumpcare went down in flames last week, even skinny repeal went down in flames, and Trump came into office pledging, this is going to be easy, I'm going to repeal Obamacare, I'm the greatest dealmaker who ever was, and then none of that gets done, and he doesn't even really campaign for it very hard.

00:09:45.000 A lot of people were very upset about that, and then you combine that with all of the turnover in his administration, and it feels like he doesn't really know what he's doing.

00:09:52.000 So there's a Rasmussen poll out today.

00:09:54.000 Rasmussen has been the friendliest poll to Donald Trump.

00:09:56.000 He's down to 39% in the Rasmussen ratings.

00:09:59.000 Ten days ago, he was at, excuse me, 44% in the Rasmussen poll.

00:10:03.000 So he's dropped 5 points, 61% disapproving.

00:10:06.000 John Nolte, who's been a staunch supporter, writes for the Daily Wire.

00:10:09.000 Love John.

00:10:10.000 He and I disagree about a lot of things, but he's a great guy.

00:10:12.000 He writes a... he's...

00:10:14.000 He writes a piece today about this Rasmussen poll, and it's appropriately brutal.

00:10:18.000 He says, the failure of the Obamacare repeal bill, maybe for forever, is inexpressibly demoralizing and infuriating to Trump supporters.

00:10:24.000 Whether or not you blame the president for the failure of the Republican Party to keep a seven-year promise, a promise that defined them and justified their existence as a majority, Trump still assured and reassured us he would make this happen.

00:10:34.000 Trump ran on getting things done, and on top of tax reform and a border wall between the U.S.

00:10:38.000 and Mexico, repealing Obamacare was one of his three biggies.

00:10:41.000 The Obamacare repeal knocks some of the luster off of Trump and his biggest selling point, his deal-making skills.

00:10:46.000 Secondly, the chaos in the Trump administration finally became real with the resignations and firings of Press Secretary Sean Spicer, Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, and the newly installed Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci and his gobsmacking, unforgivably hypocritical, breathtakingly obscene comments, leaks to New York Magazine.

00:11:03.000 Scaramucci is the man Trump hired to get the White House Communications Department in ship shape and to stop all these leaks to the corrupt media.

00:11:09.000 Trump hired this man.

00:11:09.000 Trump did.

00:11:10.000 This debacle is on Trump.

00:11:11.000 That's appropriately brutal language, I think, from John Nolte, who's been a strong, strong supporter of President Trump throughout the primaries, throughout the general, and as president.

00:11:30.000 He's getting it from all sides, is Trump, and I think deservedly so at this point.

00:11:33.000 He needs to do a better job.

00:11:35.000 Now, one of the things that is frustrating about the way that the Priebus firing was done is he was fired in such a brutal and demeaning manner that when Priebus then went on national TV and said, everything's okay, nobody believed him.

00:11:45.000 So he went on national TV and he talks about how everything is just spectacular.

00:11:49.000 It's just great.

00:11:50.000 He did an interview with Breitbart and he did an interview with CNN.

00:11:52.000 Here's the one from CNN where he talks to Wolf Blitzer.

00:11:55.000 He says, everything has just, it could not be better.

00:11:58.000 Just unbelievably great.

00:12:00.000 He knows, I think, intuitively when things need to change.

00:12:05.000 I've seen it now for a year and a half on this wild ride with the president that I loved being a part of.

00:12:12.000 But he intuitively determined that it was time to do something differently.

00:12:17.000 And I think he's right.

00:12:19.000 Okay, so I think he's right to fire me and replace me.

00:12:22.000 I mean, this sort of kind of kiss-assery from Reince Priebus comes off that way because everybody knows the kind of chaos that's going on inside.

00:12:29.000 Again, that's Scaramucci's fault, okay?

00:12:30.000 Scaramucci went out and made clear what kind of chaos was happening here, and that's the guy Trump chose.

00:12:35.000 That's the guy Trump chose to put his faith in.

00:12:37.000 If you want to project stability.

00:12:41.000 This is what's amazing about this.

00:12:42.000 Trump is good at some things.

00:12:44.000 One of the things he's really terrific at, and has been his entire career, has been image.

00:12:48.000 Right?

00:12:48.000 That's been his entire career.

00:12:50.000 Trump actually isn't that great at real estate, but he is fantastic at image.

00:12:53.000 Right?

00:12:53.000 Scaramucci, too.

00:12:54.000 Scaramucci isn't that great at investing, but he's fantastic at image.

00:12:57.000 Right?

00:12:57.000 Scaramucci's the kind of guy who spent $100,000 to get a cameo in Wall Street 2.

00:13:01.000 Really.

00:13:01.000 He dropped $100,000 to the studio so he could get, like, a five-second cameo in Wall Street 2, one of the biggest bombs in recent history.

00:13:09.000 It's all about image creation for Trump.

00:13:11.000 If you want to create the image of a president who's in charge, knows what he's doing, this passive-aggressive tweeting, and then sending out your director of comms to talk about how Steve Bannon wants to suck his own clock, that does not actually, that does not actually forward the agenda in any real way.

00:13:27.000 I mean, on the same day that Priebus was saying that everything is on board, everybody's great, this is all terrific, he's now going on national television having to deny that he's a leaker.

00:13:37.000 Are you the leaker in the White House? 0.96

00:13:39.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Wolf, come on. 1.00

00:13:40.000 Give me a break.

00:13:41.000 I'm not going to get into his accusations.

00:13:43.000 Why not?

00:13:43.000 Why not respond to him?

00:13:44.000 Because I'm not going to.

00:13:45.000 Because it doesn't honor the President.

00:13:47.000 It doesn't honor the president again.

00:13:49.000 All that makes Reince Priebus look like he's a weakling because if you really wanted to honor the president, the president's the one who hired Scaramucci.

00:13:54.000 So what you have is the look of people who are trying to be loyal to Trump like Priebus. 0.99

00:13:59.000 They look like suckers. 0.96

00:14:00.000 And the people who are trying to be loyal in the way Scaramucci is, attacking all the people they perceive as Trump enemies, they look like sycophants. 0.99

00:14:06.000 None of this is good for a White House that is trying to project calm

00:14:09.000 into an American political system that is really riled up at this point.

00:14:13.000 Now, there is some good news in all this, which is the economy continues to grow, 2.6% growth in the second quarter, which is good, strong growth.

00:14:20.000 Trump has been saying he wants 4% growth, not gonna happen.

00:14:23.000 But if he got us to 2.6% growth every quarter, that's strong growth, that would be fantastic.

00:14:27.000 That is largely because, and this is, I think, a point that a lot of Trump supporters make that is correct, 0.56

00:14:33.000 There is a feeling that no matter what Trump does at this point with the Republican Congress, at least it's not going to make things economically worse.

00:14:39.000 You're not going to see him passing lots of regulations.

00:14:41.000 You're not going to see him taking a lot of harsh stances against the business community.

00:14:45.000 At least you're not going to do that.

00:14:46.000 The success of business relies on predictability.

00:14:49.000 If you're a business owner, what you don't want is your taxes being jacked up every five minutes or lowered and then jacked up and lowered and jacked up.

00:14:56.000 You just don't know how to hire people under those circumstances.

00:14:59.000 Trump, even his incompetence, provides a certain level of stability

00:15:02.000 Because you know that nothing is going to get done.

00:15:03.000 So you may as well assume the system that's in place now is the system that's going to be in place six months from now.

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00:17:10.000 As I say, the chaos, when it's being shrugged off, but there's just more evidence of chaos, it makes people feel discomforted.

00:17:16.000 We've heard now, for well over a year, that there was going to be a reset at some point that was going to make people feel solid.

00:17:22.000 First, the reset happened with Bannon, and Bannon did a pretty good job with the campaign.

00:17:25.000 As much as I dislike him personally, you gotta give credit where credit is due.

00:17:28.000 He did a good job with getting Trump under control for a lot of the campaign.

00:17:32.000 And then after the election, after Trump was mouthing off, there was a feeling, oh, he's assembling this fantastic cabinet, and they will keep him under control.

00:17:39.000 And then he starts firing people in his cabinet.

00:17:42.000 And now, again, we're getting the same routine.

00:17:44.000 We're getting the same routine.

00:17:44.000 Now John Kelly is coming in, and now he's coming in as a strong replacement.

00:17:48.000 Finally, things will be under control at the White House.

00:17:50.000 Here's John Karl from ABC News making that case.

00:17:53.000 He comes in as a much more powerful Chief of Staff than Reince Priebus ever was.

00:17:57.000 If you remember, Martha, when Priebus became Chief of Staff, he was announced along with Steve Bannon as the Chief Strategist, with Jared Kushner as a Senior Advisor.

00:18:07.000 Now, the power of all three positions, theoretically at least, will reside with General Kelly.

00:18:12.000 He will have authority that Reince Priebus never had.

00:18:14.000 But as you know, the issue throughout these first six months is that the real Chief of Staff in that White House has been Donald Trump.

00:18:23.000 So the question is whether or not he will truly cede that authority to General Kelly, and if he'll listen to him.

00:18:28.000 So that is the question.

00:18:29.000 Apparently, General Kelly was told by his wife, do not take this job, do not do it.

00:18:34.000 And the early rumors were that everything was going to run through Kelly now.

00:18:37.000 And then immediately within an hour, that was debunked.

00:18:39.000 Immediately there were people saying that Scaramucci would not report to Kelly, he would report directly to Trump.

00:18:43.000 Once you have many channels of communication to the top of the line, you got a problem.

00:18:48.000 Okay?

00:18:48.000 At our company, I won't even let Mathis talk to me.

00:18:51.000 No, that's not true.

00:18:52.000 But the fact is that we do have a line of communication when it comes to serious personnel issues, for example.

00:18:57.000 You go up the chain.

00:18:57.000 This is true at any company.

00:18:59.000 Okay?

00:18:59.000 The idea that you can have everybody going to the boss with everything leads to chaos inside the administration.

00:19:04.000 This is an administration that needs solidity right now because they're not getting a lot of policy wins.

00:19:09.000 And so the feeling

00:19:10.000 We're good to go.

00:19:31.000 You need to demonstrate that you're a strong guy, not a weakling who just whines about the people he works with.

00:19:36.000 I don't go around the office whining about the people who work for me.

00:19:40.000 If I don't like them, I fire them.

00:19:41.000 That's what bosses do. 0.97

00:19:43.000 If Trump is the biggest boss in the world, which he is, then if you are Trump and you don't like your AG,

00:19:49.000 And you keep them around.

00:19:50.000 That makes it look like you do not have a credible commitment to actually carry through your commitments.

00:19:55.000 That's why Vladimir Putin now is starting to get aggressive.

00:19:57.000 He expelled, I think, 755 American diplomats over the weekend.

00:20:01.000 North Korea fires off another missile.

00:20:02.000 They say this is an ICBM that is capable of hitting large swaths of the United States.

00:20:06.000 We're seeing America's enemies begin to get more aggressive.

00:20:09.000 And here's the question.

00:20:10.000 Is this a White House that is prepared for disaster?

00:20:12.000 Is this a White House that is prepared for bad things to happen?

00:20:14.000 Remember, with all the chaos, with all the tumult, with all of this happening, nothing externally bad has happened to the Trump administration.

00:20:22.000 The economy has been very solid.

00:20:24.000 The economy has been very strong on the foreign policy sphere.

00:20:28.000 No major moves have actually been made.

00:20:30.000 Vladimir Putin is not making major moves yet.

00:20:32.000 China's not making major moves yet.

00:20:33.000 Everybody was trying to figure out, is Trump bluffing? 0.89

00:20:36.000 Or is Trump really a crazy guy who might do anything? 0.73

00:20:39.000 After Syria, after Trump hit Syria with a missile, there was a feeling like, we just can't predict this guy. 0.99

00:20:43.000 He might go nuts and he might fire a missile.

00:20:45.000 Now it looks more like what Trump is is actually very predictable. 0.85

00:20:48.000 He's not

00:20:49.000 Unpredictably crazy, which might actually be a good thing.

00:20:52.000 This is one of the cases for Trump on foreign policy.

00:20:54.000 But he might actually be super predictable.

00:20:56.000 That is, he has a knee-jerk response to aggression, which is he fires a missile, but then he chickens out.

00:21:01.000 Then he decides, you know what?

00:21:03.000 I can't do anything here.

00:21:04.000 I don't want to risk my own image and political capital to do anything.

00:21:07.000 And you could see America's enemies start to take advantage.

00:21:09.000 That's why Mike Pence was flying over to a lot of the NATO countries.

00:21:12.000 Trying to reassure them that they were protected from Putin.

00:21:14.000 If I were a NATO country right now, I would be a little less sanguine about the prospects that President Trump would intervene should Russia start to actually get aggressive in any serious way.

00:21:25.000 Trump is the image of the presidency matters.

00:21:27.000 That's why people elected Trump.

00:21:29.000 They elected Trump to be the image he was on TV.

00:21:31.000 The strong, powerful leader, right?

00:21:33.000 This is still his image according to polls.

00:21:34.000 The strong, powerful leader who's effective at what he does.

00:21:37.000 Right now, he has not been effective.

00:21:38.000 Right now, he does not look strong.

00:21:40.000 Right now, he looks like he is presiding over a chaotic household.

00:21:43.000 He looks like a stepfather in a chaotic household where no one knows where dinner is coming from the next night.

00:21:47.000 That is not what you need from the President of the United States.

00:21:50.000 It has some predictable effects for healthcare as well.

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00:23:23.000 So the impression of chaos inside the administration has real policy ramifications.

00:23:27.000 One of those ramifications, as we saw last week, was the fact that Trump was not able, in any real way, to rally support behind any form of a healthcare bill.

00:23:35.000 And you saw him, like last week, he tweeted out, Republicans, pass healthcare, make it better, do it.

00:23:43.000 And Jon Podhors from Commentary Magazine, he said, what exactly is it?

00:23:46.000 And I tweeted back, it John, it!

00:23:48.000 And that's sort of the problem.

00:23:49.000 You don't know what it is.

00:23:50.000 So when Trump supports something, you don't know what it is that he is supporting.

00:23:54.000 And so I think Trump actually made a bit of a boo-boo.

00:23:56.000 So Trump has been saying openly and publicly, we need to let Obamacare implode, let it collapse, let it implode, let it collapse, let it go down in flames.

00:24:03.000 He's actually not wrong. 0.92

00:24:05.000 Okay, Obamacare is a crappy scheme. 1.00

00:24:07.000 Obamacare is a garbage scheme. 0.98

00:24:09.000 But the idea that you are going to let Obamacare implode, that's something you don't say out loud. 0.95

00:24:13.000 That's something you say in strategy sessions.

00:24:15.000 So to give you a point of...

00:24:19.000 Contrast.

00:24:20.000 Go back to 2013.

00:24:21.000 Ted Cruz says, we're not going to fund Obamacare from the congressional side, and we're not going to pass a budget that includes funding for Obamacare.

00:24:30.000 And Obama says, fine, I won't sign a budget that doesn't include funding for Obamacare.

00:24:33.000 So what does Obama do?

00:24:34.000 The government shuts down.

00:24:36.000 And it turns out, when the government shut down, nothing bad happened.

00:24:39.000 Everyone was pretty much okay.

00:24:41.000 The zombies did not wander the streets.

00:24:43.000 There was no foreign invasion.

00:24:44.000 Members of the military were still getting paid.

00:24:46.000 Everything was still basic.

00:24:47.000 Social security checks were still going out.

00:24:49.000 You know, everything was still basically working because essential services still run in a government shutdown.

00:24:54.000 Everything was basically okay, but somehow, Obama had to suggest to Americans that true disaster was waiting just around the corner.

00:25:00.000 So what did he do?

00:25:01.000 He quietly went out, and he closed open-air war memorials, he closed the national parks.

00:25:06.000 You remember, this was a big scandal at the time.

00:25:07.000 This was back in December 2012, I believe.

00:25:08.000 January 2013.

00:25:12.000 He was doing it on purpose, right?

00:25:13.000 He was clearly shutting these open-air war memorials where, again, it's an open-air memorial.

00:25:17.000 It's literally just a statue in a park, and he was closing them down and putting chains around them and preventing people from getting in, preventing war veterans from getting in to visit memorials to their war buddies.

00:25:26.000 He was doing all of that in order to up the pain factor, and we on the right were going nuts.

00:25:30.000 I remember we were saying, he's doing this on purpose because he's trying to make something that isn't that bad into something that is absolutely terrible so that he can put pressure on the American people, and that's gross.

00:25:41.000 He got away with it because he was smart enough to recognize that he couldn't openly say that.

00:25:44.000 Now imagine how that would have gone if he had said that.

00:25:46.000 If he had said, listen, we're in the middle of a government shutdown, you know, and in a government shutdown, I understand things aren't that bad, but I'm going to make things worse.

00:25:54.000 I want you to feel the pain.

00:25:56.000 And if you feel the pain, I think that you will be more likely to support my agenda.

00:26:01.000 It would have undercut his agenda, right?

00:26:02.000 We all would have gone, that's kind of a douchey thing to do, right?

00:26:05.000 Like, we all would have said, that seems kind of yucky.

00:26:08.000 So, that's what has to happen with Obamacare.

00:26:09.000 So, what Trump really should be doing right now, he should be saying, look,

00:26:13.000 The Obamacare structure is unworkable.

00:26:14.000 We're seeing in many, many states, Obamacare exchanges don't have even a single provider.

00:26:19.000 The individual market is being crushed by the weight of these regulations.

00:26:22.000 And President Obama was signing over illegal subsidies.

00:26:25.000 He was trying to, he was trying to buck up, he was trying to fill in the gaps in his own crappy plan by doing something illegal.

00:26:31.000 And I don't care what the Supreme Court has to say about this.

00:26:33.000 There's nothing in Obamacare that allows me, legally, to give funding to these insurance companies.

00:26:39.000 And so I'm not going to give funding to these insurance companies.

00:26:41.000 If states want to fill in the gaps, that's their business.

00:26:43.000 But Democrats need to relieve the regulations.

00:26:45.000 If the prices are going up, that's because I am unwilling to cheat. 0.88

00:26:49.000 I am unwilling to spend money that is not allocated by law in order to prop up a Democrat's crappy system.

00:26:55.000 I'm not going to do that, because that crappy system is foreclosing us from having a better system. 0.92

00:26:59.000 And if Democrats want this system to continue sucking, then it's on them. 0.96

00:27:02.000 It's not on me.

00:27:03.000 I'm just following the law as it's written.

00:27:05.000 And I'm not going to participate in bailouts just because the Democrats want me to.

00:27:11.000 So, that's what he should say.

00:27:12.000 Here's what he actually says, which is saying what his actual strategy is, maybe in his own head.

00:27:17.000 Now, that last part, by the way, everything I just said is true.

00:27:19.000 That wouldn't even be him lying.

00:27:20.000 All of that is true.

00:27:21.000 But instead, here's what he says.

00:27:23.000 Women of ICE are turning the tide in the battle against MS-13.

00:27:29.000 But we need more resources from Congress, and we're getting them.

00:27:34.000 Congress is actually opening up and really doing a job.

00:27:39.000 They should have approved healthcare last night, but you can't have everything.

00:27:44.000 Boy, oh boy.

00:27:45.000 They've been working on that one for seven years.

00:27:47.000 Can you believe that?

00:27:49.000 The swamp!

00:27:51.000 But we'll get it done.

00:27:52.000 You know, I said from the beginning, let Obamacare implode, and then do it.

00:28:00.000 I turned out to be right.

00:28:02.000 Let Obamacare implode.

00:28:03.000 Okay, when he says that, it sounds like he is now taking ownership of Obamacare imploding, right?

00:28:09.000 That's like the case where, okay, there's a person who's drowning in a river.

00:28:13.000 And you say, okay, well, how can we save that person?

00:28:16.000 There are two ways to save the person.

00:28:18.000 One is there's a person who's a better swimmer than you and you need to incentivize that person to go swim.

00:28:21.000 So you say, listen, I can't do it, right?

00:28:23.000 I'm not capable of actually saving that person.

00:28:25.000 I can jump in the river, but I can't save that person.

00:28:27.000 There's no way for me to save that person.

00:28:29.000 You should go do it.

00:28:29.000 Or we can work together and we can go out there together and try and save that person, right?

00:28:33.000 Or what you could do is you could say, let him drown. 0.96

00:28:36.000 Let him drown.

00:28:38.000 The problem with the PR for Let Him Drown is it sounds like you're okay with letting people drown, right?

00:28:41.000 And this is what Democrats are going to do.

00:28:43.000 This is a campaign ad for Democrats.

00:28:44.000 Okay, what they're going to do is they're going to cut Let Obamacare Implode with the rising premiums.

00:28:49.000 Now they're going to say the rising premiums are Trump's fault because he could prevent this, but he's not going to prevent this.

00:28:54.000 He tweeted out this morning, Trump, he tweeted, if Obamacare is hurting people, and it is, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies?

00:28:59.000 And why should Congress not be paying what the public pays?

00:29:01.000 So, I think, so I agree totally with the Congress should be paying what the public pays.

00:29:05.000 Force them into the individual market so they live with the consequences of the system they've set up for everyone else.

00:29:10.000 Totally fine with that.

00:29:10.000 But, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies is a Bernie Sanders argument.

00:29:15.000 That is not a conservative argument.

00:29:17.000 The reason insurance companies right now are charging higher premiums is because of the Obamacare regulations.

00:29:22.000 When you say things like, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies, that's Bernie Sanders' case.

00:29:26.000 Bernie Sanders says what we should actually do if we want to hurt the insurance companies is we should just nationalize the whole thing.

00:29:32.000 Medicare for all!

00:29:33.000 Medicare for all, right?

00:29:35.000 That's the routine that they are pushing toward.

00:29:37.000 So again, how you approach the issue matters.

00:29:40.000 I want to see Obamacare go probably far more than President Trump does.

00:29:42.000 I've said from the beginning Obamacare actually corrupts the soul of the country, but

00:29:46.000 You know, President Trump is pursuing the right goal in the wrong way, and every time you pursue the right goal in the wrong way, you end up not achieving the goal and actually undercutting the goal.

00:29:56.000 You can see how this is all a Democratic ad, right?

00:29:58.000 Chuck Schumer yesterday starts to use it as a Democratic ad.

00:30:00.000 Here's the Senate Minority Leader.

00:30:02.000 President Trump did a tweet last night and a tweet this morning.

00:30:07.000 Not presidential.

00:30:09.000 His tweet last night

00:30:11.000 We're going to let the system collapse.

00:30:13.000 We're going to hurt innocent people because we're angry we lost politically.

00:30:18.000 That is small.

00:30:20.000 That is not what a president does.

00:30:22.000 And I hope our Senate colleagues, our House colleagues on his side of the aisle will turn a deaf ear on that.

00:30:29.000 The things I mentioned will help.

00:30:43.000 President Trump, as you know, is hoping to revive the effort to repeal and replace Obamacare.

00:30:48.000 He needs the vote of one more senator in order to flip someone's vote, whether yours or Murkowski's or McCain's.

00:30:55.000 The president appears to be threatening to cut off funding for the health care plans that members of Congress receive.

00:31:01.000 Would that kind of pressure change your vote?

00:31:06.000 No, but, you know, the ball is really in our court right now.

00:31:11.000 There are serious problems with the ACA.

00:31:14.000 We're seeing collapsing markets in some areas of the country, where even though people have subsidies, they're not going to be able to buy an insurance policy.

00:31:25.000 So our job is not done.

00:31:28.000 And what we need to do is to remember my friend Lamar Alexander's words, which is that he says that Congress doesn't do comprehensive well.

00:31:39.000 We need to go back to the committee, to the health committee and the finance committee.

00:31:43.000 So what he's doing, so is Trump really driving a unified health plan from the right and the left?

00:31:46.000 Is he really doing that?

00:31:47.000 Or is what he's doing actually creating an opposition to himself from the quote-unquote moderate Republicans like Susan Collins and the left that's going to blame Trump for everything now?

00:31:55.000 It's not good PR.

00:31:57.000 Bernie Sanders, again, he actually did this last night, right?

00:31:59.000 This was Bernie Sanders yesterday saying, Trump wants to say, they're trying to dump it on Trump, and Trump is making it easy because he's actually not doing the one part of his job he's supposed to be best at, the imaging, right?

00:32:08.000 That's the part he's supposed to be a master at.

00:32:10.000 That's the part where he's supposed to be dominant.

00:32:11.000 That's the part he's doing the worst.

00:32:13.000 Here's Bernie Sanders, looking all weird with his tongue out of his mouth here, talking about how, great freeze frame guys, talking about how Trump is going to threaten all Americans as well as my pudding cup and perhaps my second vacation home.

00:32:26.000 You know, I really think it's incomprehensible that we have a president of the United States who wants to sabotage health care in America, make life more difficult for millions of people who are struggling now to get the health insurance they need and to pay for that health insurance.

00:32:42.000 Maybe the president should put down his, stop his twittering, tweeting for a while, and understand that America today is the only country, only major country on earth, not to guarantee health care to all people, and the solution is not to throw tens of millions of people off of health insurance that they currently have.

00:33:05.000 Okay, so this is their whole shtick, and they're going to continue beating those drums.

00:33:08.000 Trump needs to do a better job with this.

00:33:09.000 Now, that said, I think there's a critique that's growing among some people who were not pro-Trump during the last election cycle that I think is wrong.

00:33:18.000 And I think it's actually wrong-headed.

00:33:19.000 It's kind of interesting.

00:33:20.000 So John Kasich says that because of John Kasich, God help us, that... John Kasich, the current Ohio governor, a raisin in the sun, John Kasich, talking about how Trump's first six months have him worried for the country.

00:33:34.000 I'm worried about our country, obviously, Chris.

00:33:37.000 And here's the thing, you know, the White House is an amazing institution.

00:33:40.000 It has great power.

00:33:42.000 But when I think about the people who have been able to lend voice to amplify that power, what we need, and I think perhaps the president can get there, I sure hope so, is sort of the sense of unity, of hopefulness, not of division, but of lifting.

00:33:59.000 And I think we're not seeing enough, we're not seeing that right now.

00:34:03.000 Okay, so he's very critical of Trump.

00:34:05.000 He's always been critical of Trump.

00:34:06.000 He also looks like a wadded piece of paper that went through your pocket in the wash.

00:34:09.000 In any case, John Kasich doing this routine, you know, he's just discouraged by the state of the country.

00:34:15.000 Jeff Flake did the same thing in Arizona.

00:34:17.000 He says, the GOP has lost its way.

00:34:19.000 We may have lost what we were supposed to be.

00:34:22.000 I think similarly today, the party has lost its way.

00:34:25.000 We've given into nativism and protectionism, and I think that if we're going to be a governing party in the future, and a majority party,

00:34:37.000 We've got to go back to traditional conservatism.

00:34:39.000 Limited government, economic freedom, individual responsibility, respect for free trade.

00:34:45.000 Those are the principles that made us who we are.

00:34:47.000 Okay, so I agree with his basic principles, but the idea that the party is given into nativism or any of this stuff, I think that's an over-read into what 2016 was.

00:34:54.000 Listen, I've worried about this stuff too.

00:34:55.000 I've talked about it repeatedly.

00:34:56.000 I've said that I think that, you know, the anti-trade tendencies of the Republican Party, they're playing follow the leader.

00:35:00.000 But what I'm actually seeing,

00:35:02.000 What I'm actually saying, and it's encouraging to me, is I'm seeing that there are still people, people with whom I disagree on a lot of this stuff, who still have standards for Trump.

00:35:10.000 And that is a big thing.

00:35:11.000 That's a big thing.

00:35:12.000 Because the fact is, either your standard is going to be the man, or your standard is going to be the principle.

00:35:17.000 Now, your principles may differ from mine, but at least if your principles are still there, then we can argue about the validity of the principles.

00:35:24.000 We're not just arguing about Trump the man.

00:35:25.000 I don't care about Trump the man.

00:35:27.000 Trump the man doesn't matter to me.

00:35:28.000 As I've said before, politics used to exist on the basis of principles, right?

00:35:32.000 There was a right-left spectrum, it was the x-axis on politics, and it was from right to left, you know, if I was all the way out here on the right.

00:35:39.000 Now, there is a y-axis, and that is Trump.

00:35:42.000 And people now judge each other based on whether they are pro-Trump or anti-Trump.

00:35:46.000 Because I'm at a zero on pro-Trump or anti-Trump, sometimes he's great, sometimes he sucks, I don't care, you know, I'm still all the way out to the right here, but because I'm zero on the Trump scale, there are a lot of people who tend to think that I'm moderate, which is bizarre, because I'm the most right-wing person that I know.

00:36:00.000 The problem is that if you're on the Y spectrum, and all you care about is the Y spectrum,

00:36:05.000 Then the x-spectrum completely disappeared.

00:36:07.000 It completely disappears.

00:36:08.000 That x-axis completely disappears.

00:36:09.000 You can't argue with people on a different axis than you.

00:36:12.000 I can't argue with people who are on that y-axis when I'm not even on the y-axis. 0.57

00:36:16.000 I'm on a completely different axis.

00:36:18.000 And so what I'm actually seeing, and I think it's good,

00:36:20.000 Is that there are people with whom I disagree who still are holding Trump to a standard.

00:36:24.000 So one of those people is Laura Ingraham.

00:36:25.000 I've been very critical of Laura.

00:36:27.000 I think that she was very sycophantic toward Trump during the election cycle.

00:36:31.000 I thought that she glossed over a lot of the things about him that are not conservative.

00:36:34.000 I think that she fibbed to her audience sometimes about what Trump's actual agenda was, but

00:36:39.000 Laura, at least, has limits. 0.98

00:36:41.000 And you see that, right?

00:36:42.000 So Laura, over the weekend, she came out and she said, Scaramucci's an adult, right? 1.00

00:36:47.000 This guy that Trump hired is an idiot, and he's actually undermining the Trump administration agenda. 1.00

00:36:51.000 This is good. 1.00

00:36:52.000 This is encouraging.

00:36:53.000 Tucker Carlson, Newt Gingrich, they're starting to say the same things.

00:36:56.000 That means that there is some standard.

00:36:57.000 Again, I may not agree with their standard.

00:36:58.000 I may think that they waited until too long to get upset about what Trump is doing.

00:37:02.000 But at least it means that there is still a rational debate that can be had along that x-axis because I can have a discussion with people who differ from me where they are in the x-axis.

00:37:12.000 I can't have a discussion with people who just want to talk about why Trump is God or why Trump is Satan.

00:37:16.000 That's not a conversation that's worthwhile having.

00:37:19.000 Here is Laura Ingraham basically, for once, being critical of President Trump.

00:37:23.000 And I think this, I'm sorry, I like Scaramucci, I think he's really talented, but this episode is humiliating to the president.

00:37:30.000 I think it ultimately humiliates him.

00:37:33.000 It does not serve the communication of this agenda well.

00:37:36.000 I'm probably going to tick him off by saying it, but I say it out of deep love and affection.

00:37:40.000 It's not helping his agenda at all.

00:37:43.000 So you can see that Elora is still trying to cater to people who are all the way up here on the Y-spectrum, but she at least has a breaking point. 0.96

00:37:49.000 If you have a breaking point, you can be part of the political conversation.

00:37:52.000 If you don't have a breaking point, if you'll stand for anything, or if you'll stand for nothing from Trump, then you're not part of a rational political conversation.

00:37:58.000 You're either part of a pro-Trump cult or an anti-Trump cult, and I'm not interested in having a conversation with either of those things.

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00:39:41.000 I don't know.

00:39:56.000 I'm obsessed with the mooch. 1.00

00:39:57.000 I will be honest with you.

00:39:58.000 I think the mooch is the greatest thing that I have ever seen in politics. 1.00

00:40:02.000 Because what the hell?

00:40:03.000 I mean, just like what in the world? 0.52

00:40:05.000 And as I said on Friday, one of the problems with the Trump administration and one of the glories of the Trump administration is that if you duck out of the room for five minutes to take a dump, you miss three news cycles.

00:40:14.000 Scaramucci has contributed to this in magical ways.

00:40:18.000 I do love a man who

00:40:20.000 Who called his book something like Jumping Over the Rabbit Hole and then said that he did that as a reference to Lewis and Carroll.

00:40:28.000 Not Lewis Carroll, Lewis and Carroll.

00:40:29.000 You know, like the explorers of the Northwest, Lewis and Clark.

00:40:32.000 But in any case, it's pretty amazing.

00:40:35.000 Scaramucci's just a joy.

00:40:36.000 And since I now root for entertainment, not just policy victory,

00:40:40.000 I'm starting to give up on policy victory, unfortunately, because I don't see this Congress being effective and I think this president needs to get his act together.

00:40:46.000 Now that I root only for entertainment, Scaramucci must stay.

00:40:49.000 It is imperative that Scaramucci remain as part of this administration no matter how many times he says that other administration officials are attempting to perform bizarre sex acts on themselves from SNL skits with Will Ferrell performing yoga.

00:41:03.000 In any case, I've decided to do a whole series of references to Scaramucci this week in honor of the new White House Communications Director.

00:41:10.000 This one is basically eight versions of Scaramucci in a suit.

00:41:16.000 It is Wall Street, starring Charlie Sheen.

00:41:18.000 In the 1980s, Oliver Stone had a series of films that were really quite good, like Back to Back in the 1980s.

00:41:23.000 This is the film that he made directly after Platoon, and of course has become famous for Michael Douglas' terrific performances as Gordon Gekko.

00:41:31.000 Here's some of the trailer.

00:41:35.000 From the director of Platoon, the next battle is in the greatest jungle of them all, Wall Street.

00:41:42.000 We're going down a drain, okay?

00:41:45.000 The stock is plummeting.

00:41:46.000 When it hits 18, buy it all.

00:41:49.000 Something big is going down.

00:41:51.000 I want you to fill out the missing picture.

00:41:53.000 Mr. Gecko, that's not exactly what I do.

00:41:55.000 Or you can trade your honor.

00:41:56.000 I could lose my license.

00:41:58.000 That's inside information.

00:41:59.000 For power.

00:42:00.000 You're not inside, you are outside.

00:42:02.000 I want you with me, buddy.

00:42:06.000 I'm with you, Gordon.

00:42:07.000 Trade your peace of mind.

00:42:08.000 Just the beginning, pal.

00:42:10.000 If any trouble does arise, you are on your own.

00:42:12.000 The trail does stop with you.

00:42:13.000 For a piece of the action.

00:42:14.000 A hundred million dollars, buddy.

00:42:16.000 All it takes is a little inside information.

00:42:19.000 I don't care where or how you get it.

00:42:22.000 I think you owe me.

00:42:23.000 And you can trade everything you believe in.

00:42:34.000 Obviously, the take on Wall Street is that Wall Street is all based on insider information, which is not true.

00:42:38.000 First of all, there's a good libertarian argument that insider information should actually be legal.

00:42:41.000 The reason that they say this is because they say that otherwise what you end up with is that the public actually has less information generally.

00:42:48.000 You could follow a few key players, and if you just followed what the investors were doing who actually are at the company, you'd immediately know something was going wrong at the company and sell your stock.

00:42:55.000 So it'd actually be more transparent.

00:42:57.000 This is the case made by libertarians.

00:42:58.000 I think it's actually a pretty strong case, economically speaking, that insider information shouldn't be barred because people are going to do it anyway.

00:43:05.000 And in fact, the people with the ultimate insider information are people in Congress who know which legislation is going to be passed impacting the economy.

00:43:12.000 In any case, it's a really cynical take on Wall Street that is far too broad.

00:43:17.000 The truth is that the vast majority of stock pickers do not actually outperform the market.

00:43:21.000 One of the great myths of stock picking is that if you invest your money at Goldman Sachs, the particular trader, that that guy's going to be just a wild success for the next 10 years.

00:43:29.000 The number of people who have been wild successes, who outperform the market, you know, who pick stocks just they're great at picking stocks,

00:43:35.000 Really, really low.

00:43:36.000 The market is highly transparent, and it is very difficult to beat the market.

00:43:40.000 The idea that you can just beat the market is, you may do it on a one-off basis, but doing it repeatedly is nearly impossible.

00:43:46.000 But the film itself is really good, and it's funny because Gordon Gekko is supposed to be the villain, but his greed is good speech, which is basically sort of an Ayn Rand take on economics.

00:43:56.000 Not a bad summary of Ayn Rand's objectivism, and actually, true. 0.77

00:44:00.000 One of the things that's really funny about this is that they make out, this movie, I could do a whole shtick about the economics of this movie, but they make out the unions as the great winners in all of this.

00:44:09.000 Okay, the unions in this case, one of the things that happens in this movie is that the union, which is run by Charlie Sheen's dad, Martin Sheen in the film,

00:44:16.000 He's trying to bargain with an airline.

00:44:17.000 The airline is losing money, and the unions are still trying to claw for their peace.

00:44:21.000 Now, he makes the unions a lot more conciliatory than they actually are in real life, but Gordon Gekko looks at this and he says, okay, well, I'll buy the airline.

00:44:29.000 I'll gut the airline.

00:44:29.000 I can sell it off for pieces.

00:44:31.000 It's cheaper to do that, and I'll make more money that way than bargaining with these unions.

00:44:35.000 And instead of you saying, well, maybe the union should cut a better deal with management in order for them to operate an airline at a competitive price, right, and stop losing money,

00:44:44.000 It makes you feel like he's the bad guy for coming in and buying a company and then redistributing the airplanes, basically selling the airplanes to more efficient companies.

00:44:52.000 But from the perspective of the consumer, what Gordon Gekko does is better from the perspective of the consumer than what the union is attempting to do in Wall Street.

00:44:58.000 It's really an interesting counter.

00:45:01.000 If you watch it and then do the economic counter to it, it's actually a really interesting analysis.

00:45:04.000 But it's kind of cool.

00:45:05.000 Oliver Stone 0.97

00:45:06.000 Who is a complete nutjob. 0.61

00:45:07.000 He's a super talented director.

00:45:09.000 He made, in this period, he made Salvador with James Woods, which is a very good movie.

00:45:13.000 The next movie he made was Platoon, which is a very good movie.

00:45:15.000 The next movie he made was Wall Street, which is a very good movie.

00:45:18.000 The movie he made after that is Talk Radio, which is a very good movie.

00:45:21.000 And then he made Born on the Fourth of July, which I'm not a big fan of, and The Doors, which I'm not a big fan of.

00:45:24.000 Then he made JFK, which again is propaganda, but it's a very good movie.

00:45:28.000 Talent, as Andrew Klavan likes to say, talent falls equally on the good and the evil.

00:45:33.000 Oliver Stone is not a good man. 0.98

00:45:34.000 He's backed for years the Hugo Chavez regime in Venezuela, which is now garbage. 0.98

00:45:39.000 But it's pretty... He is a talented filmmaker for sure. 0.92

00:45:44.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:45:50.000 Okay, so first thing that I hate, there's this run-in between Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey, and a Cubs fan that's at a Brewers-Cubs game, and Chris Christie's getting a lot of crap for this, but that does not seem appropriate to me.

00:46:01.000 Here's what happened.

00:46:03.000 What'd he say to you?

00:46:05.000 Huh?

00:46:05.000 What'd he say?

00:46:19.000 So that Cubs fan basically got owned by Chris Christie.

00:46:21.000 So as Chris Christie was walking through, the Cubs fan started heckling him.

00:46:25.000 And he yelled his name. 0.99

00:46:29.000 Apparently the guy said, I yelled his name and told him that he sucked. 0.99

00:46:32.000 I called him a hypocrite because I thought that it needed to be said. 0.98

00:46:35.000 Again, I think it is one thing for Chris Christie to catch a ball at a Mets game, which I liked last week, and then he got booed, which I thought was just generally hilarious. 0.80

00:46:41.000 But don't, like, harass the guy on a personal level, okay?

00:46:44.000 Like, as somebody who is in public a lot, it would be very irritating to me if you just heckled me on a personal level.

00:46:51.000 Like, I'll live with it.

00:46:52.000 It's fine.

00:46:52.000 It comes along with the territory.

00:46:54.000 But for people to be getting all over Christie because Christie went to him and said, you know, you're a big shot before walking away from the fan, I can't get on Chris Christie's case for that.

00:47:02.000 I really can't.

00:47:02.000 And people are all over him for it.

00:47:04.000 Eh.

00:47:04.000 Not so much.

00:47:05.000 Okay, the other thing that I hate today is J.K.

00:47:07.000 Rowling, people are so eager to nail Trump that they are just saying things about him that are plainly untrue.

00:47:12.000 So there was a video of, it looked like a kid in a wheelchair trying to shake Trump's hand and then Trump not shaking his hand.

00:47:19.000 But the problem is that that's not true.

00:47:22.000 Trump spent more time with the kid in the wheelchair than anyone else.

00:47:24.000 There's actual video of Trump with the kid in the wheelchair and it is not It's obvious that he's not ignoring the kid in the wheelchair, but that didn't stop JK Rowling We actually what do we have the video?

00:47:34.000 So this is the actual video of Trump with the kid in the wheelchair So

00:47:53.000 There's that cute little kid in the wheelchair.

00:47:54.000 And people were trying to suggest that Trump was ignoring the kid.

00:47:56.000 The kid wanted a handshake.

00:47:57.000 First of all, the kid's like three.

00:47:58.000 Kids who are three don't handshake, really.

00:48:00.000 But he was really nice to the kid.

00:48:01.000 J.K.

00:48:02.000 Rowling didn't stop her. 0.97

00:48:03.000 Again, when you are a big-name author in a different field, you feel the need to be a jerk, I guess, like Stephen King or J.K. 0.98

00:48:08.000 Rowling. 0.96

00:48:09.000 She tweeted, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

00:48:12.000 Maya Angelou.

00:48:13.000 First of all, anyone who quotes Maya Angelou is just a complete bag of annoyance.

00:48:21.000 Come on.

00:48:22.000 And she says, Trump imitated a disabled reporter.

00:48:24.000 Now he pretends not to see a child in a wheelchair, as though frightened he might catch his condition.

00:48:28.000 Hey, number one, never happened.

00:48:29.000 Number two, on the imitation of disabled reporter, this is one of those things where the more I've watched, I've watched it now probably ten times.

00:48:34.000 Do I think it's good?

00:48:35.000 No.

00:48:36.000 Do I think that he was obviously imitating the reporter?

00:48:38.000 I don't think it's perfectly obvious at all.

00:48:39.000 Because Trump does his imitation of, like, people he doesn't like the same way every time with the this and the weird voice.

00:48:46.000 But in any case, she says,

00:49:16.000 Again, civilized norms are having a corrosive effect.

00:49:19.000 How stunning and how horrible that Trump cannot bring himself to shake the hand of a small boy who only wanted to touch the president. 1.00

00:49:26.000 Um, yeah, except that that's a bunch of absolute garbage. 1.00

00:49:30.000 That thing has 58,000 retweets and counting.

00:49:32.000 Actually, I'm sorry, the first one with Maya Angelou has 162,000 likes.

00:49:36.000 So it just shows you how eager people are to confirm their biases about particular people, including Trump.

00:49:40.000 Listen, you can be critical of Trump.

00:49:42.000 I'm highly critical of Trump. 0.94

00:49:44.000 But that does not mean that you get to make crap up about him that makes you a bad person.

00:49:47.000 Okay, so we'll be back here tomorrow.

00:49:48.000 I'll give you the full recap of the debate with Cenk.

00:49:50.000 We will have a bunch of clips at that point.

00:49:53.000 And I look forward to seeing you then.

00:49:54.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:49:54.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 01, 2017

Out With the Reince, In With The Kelly | Ep. 351

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