The Ben Shapiro Show - Presidente Jair Bolsonaro | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 132 [Português]

Jair Bolsonaro is the current president of Brazil, and is up for re-election at the end of this month. In this special, Ben Shapiro talks with him about his opponent, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a former president who served time in jail for corruption. They also discuss the impact of the impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff, and the impact that her impeachment had on Brazil s economy and the country s political system. Ben Shapiro's Sunday Special is sponsored by Express VPN. Protect your online privacy today at ExpressVPN.org/ProtectYourOnline Privacy Today at ExpressVpn.org. Protect Your Privacy Protect Your Online Privacy by Protecting Your Privacy by Securing Your Data And Protecting It's integrity by Protect Your Data Subscribe to The Ben Shapiro Show: Sunday Special on the Ben Shapiro Podcast by becoming a supporter of his campaign by clicking the link at the bottom of the page. If you don t have a membership yet, click the link below to become a member of our Daily Wire Plus memberset! You'll get access to all the latest news and information, including access to our newest podcasts, upcoming special episodes, upcoming podcasts, and special features, and much more! Subscribe today! Learn more about our sponsorships, including our upcoming VIP packages, our upcoming special limited-edition T-shirts and hoodies! Want to sponsor our new ad-free version of the show? Subscribe & hoodies? Click here to receive $10, $10 off your first purchase of $50 or $100 in total, and $150 in total get $50 off the offer of $150, and a VIP discount when you get a VIP membership offer? Get the offer ends in the offer starts starting at $99,99 gets you get an ad-only version of $99 or $99 and $99 gets $50,99 and I'm listening to the show gets $4,99, I'll get $5,99 + VIP gets 4 VIP access gets 5, I'm also get $4 VIP access? I'll also get a shirt and a 5-piece of 4-piece shirt and 2-piece set? and a shirt & 2-day shipping offer starts starts starts starting starts starts start shipping starts start? Thanks so much, you'll get 4-of these two-and I'll receive $4 and a discount of $49,99 or 5-of your ad?

00:00:00.000 They are captured by the party and are allied to it.

00:00:05.000 And here in Brazil they play hard too.

00:00:08.000 And the ideology of gender is known here.

00:00:10.000 Where there are children, there are not few, 7, 8, 9, 10 years old.

00:00:13.000 Boys don't know if they are girls or boys and vice versa. 0.85

00:00:18.000 They are girls or boys, or the opposite. 0.54

00:00:21.000 It's a terrible thing here in Brazilian education.

00:00:26.000 It's terrible.

00:00:28.000 Our guest, Jair Bolsonaro, is the current president of Brazil.

00:00:32.000 He's up for re-election at the end of this month.

00:00:34.000 The presidency of Brazil has been turbulent for nearly all of its modern history.

00:00:37.000 For 20 years, the 60s through the 80s, Brazil was run by military dictatorship following the coup against a socialist president.

00:00:43.000 More recently, President Dilma Rousseff was impeached after the country was driven into economic crisis in 2014.

00:00:49.000 Brazil's government has long been filled with corruption, too.

00:00:52.000 The current election pits former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Lula, who actually served time in jail for corruption, against Bolsonaro, who has targeted corruption in allegedly controversial ways.

00:01:02.000 Bolsonaro has also taken militantly conservative stances on issues ranging from killing government programs to opening up gun availability for law-abiding citizens, from harsher treatment of criminals to opening up more economic development in areas prized by environmentalists.

00:01:15.000 Bolsonaro has been slandered as a fascist, a dictator, or an authoritarian by many in the media, but his agenda of a more assertive force to cut crime and promote traditional family values has made him hugely popular with Brazilians.

00:01:25.000 He won in 2018 with 55% of the vote.

00:01:28.000 This time around, he bucked the odds to survive a first-round face-off with Lula, dramatically outperforming the early polls.

00:01:34.000 Many countries that make up South America face political corruption and destructive progressive policies.

00:01:39.000 We see that in Venezuela, Argentina, Chile.

00:01:41.000 In today's episode, we discuss if Brazil's momentum away from big government could lead a way forward for many other countries in South America.

00:01:47.000 Plus, we discuss Bolsonaro's experience dealing with the Trump administration compared with the Biden administration, his COVID policies, his political opponent Lula, and the significance of the upcoming Brazilian election.

00:01:58.000 Welcome to the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special.

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00:02:29.000 President Jair Bolsonaro, thanks so much for joining the show.

00:02:31.000 Really appreciate it.

00:02:35.000 So why don't we begin with how wrong the polls were in your original first round election matchup with Lula.

00:02:41.000 The polls were off by a significant percentage.

00:02:43.000 He was widely expected by the pollsters to run away with the first round.

00:02:47.000 There would be no second round if he had done so.

00:02:49.000 Instead, the polls ended up being incredibly close and going into the runoff election, it looks as though you are in a dead heat.

00:02:55.000 So what do you attribute the fact that the polls were so dramatically wrong the first time around?

00:03:00.000 The same thing happened in 2018.

00:03:03.000 The polls are bought and they have the power to influence the vote.

00:03:11.000 I believe that 3 to 4% of the population tends to vote for the candidate that is winning.

00:03:19.000 This happened in Brazil.

00:03:19.000 Let's talk about your opponent.

00:03:21.000 We'll start with him as opposed to starting with you.

00:03:23.000 We'll get to your record in just one second.

00:03:25.000 For those who don't know, in the United States, what is at stake in this election in Brazil?

00:03:29.000 Can you spell out for people what is the election between?

00:03:33.000 Who is Lula?

00:03:34.000 Why is it important that he be prevented from regaining office?

00:03:37.000 And perhaps you can tell the story of how he ended up running for office after being in jail not so long ago.

00:03:43.000 First of all, I see the concern of the United States with Venezuela.

00:03:49.000 I've already told the American government that Brazil is much bigger than Venezuela.

00:03:57.000 And we can't enter this group of Venezuela, which has now also entered Argentina, Chile, Colombia, and is already in Nicaragua.

00:04:09.000 Brazil is the most important country in South America.

00:04:14.000 Sucumbi, South America is over.

00:04:18.000 Who is Lula? 0.99

00:04:19.000 He's a corrupt. 0.99

00:04:22.000 And he left a huge trail of corruption in Brazil. 0.94

00:04:26.000 In the pension funds alone, the left-over of Rombo is 45 billion reais, around 9 billion dollars.

00:04:44.000 In Petrobras as a whole, the table's indebtedness in the PT period, Lula and Dilma, the indebtedness reached the house of 170 billion dollars.

00:04:59.000 This is deviations, overbought purchases, other purchases made and not reached, works begun and not completed, In other words, this is a small portrait of what the PT's government was like here in Brazil.

00:05:16.000 They have a lot of money, a lot of money outside of Brazil.

00:05:19.000 You can see it in their negotiations with pension funds, even.

00:05:23.000 And they have this enormous economic power that they put at the service of Lula's candidacy.

00:05:31.000 And they are also a machine of lies, fake news.

00:05:39.000 Lula himself revealed a few days ago that politicians in Brazil have to lie.

00:05:45.000 Because lies fly and the truth gets caught.

00:05:50.000 So to get to power, everything is worth it.

00:05:55.000 Until you change, from the inside out at least, old positions of the party, such as abortion, gender ideology and family.

00:06:07.000 So, his reelection has to be avoided.

00:06:09.000 With the weapons of democracy, which are more difficult to fight with, but we're playing, as I call it here, within the four lines of our Constitution.

00:06:21.000 And they accuse me of what they were, or what they intend to be.

00:06:27.000 They accuse me of being a dictator, of being homophobic, of being racist. 0.99

00:06:34.000 I don't like black people. 1.00

00:06:39.000 I'm against everything that happens in front of me, besides slander. 0.99

00:06:43.000 I've been accused of being a cannibal, of being a fascist, of being a pedophile.

00:06:52.000 Anything, everything is worth it for them to attack me. 0.59

00:06:56.000 I repeat, they did something similar in 2018.

00:07:01.000 We won and now we're doing it with much more strength in 2022.

00:07:09.000 Look, I've been questioning elections for a long time.

00:07:11.000 Obviously Lula had been barred from office, he was in jail, and then his conviction was overturned.

00:07:17.000 Why was it overturned?

00:07:18.000 And you've also expressed some doubt in the past about the electoral process in Brazil and how honest it is.

00:07:24.000 Do you have faith that the current election, as close as it's going to be, will be honestly carried out?

00:07:29.000 I've questioned the elections for a long time.

00:07:32.000 Our electoral system is not the same in any country in the world that has a reasonable economy.

00:07:44.000 We have news that two small other countries that use our system here.

00:07:49.000 In addition to Venezuela itself.

00:07:51.000 And this questioning comes in a crescent with more people also doubting.

00:07:58.000 And we fought for a long time for a transparent electoral model.

00:08:05.000 We didn't have the strength for that.

00:08:08.000 We have some elections ahead of us.

00:08:11.000 What brings us a certain confidence is that the armed forces were invited to join an electoral transparency commission.

00:08:22.000 And they have played an active and very good role in this regard.

00:08:27.000 However, they tell me that it is impossible to give a seal of credibility, still considering the many vulnerabilities that the system presents.

00:08:45.000 And the Supreme Electoral Court, here in Brazil, of its seven members, three are from the Supreme Federal Court, which are people appointed back there, Political parties.

00:09:04.000 So, going back to that question of yours, first Lula was arrested, convicted, serving a prison sentence, and then a group of the Supreme Federal Court, or rather, the Supreme Federal Court as a whole, decided to reinterpret what we call prison in the second instance.

00:09:24.000 In Brazil there are four instances.

00:09:26.000 And it was defined by the Supreme Court itself, whoever was sentenced in the second instance could continue to appeal, but would still be arrested.

00:09:36.000 The Supreme Court decided, for the most part, to say that he could only be arrested in the last instance.

00:09:45.000 Thus, Lula was set free.

00:09:46.000 But then, we had a law here, called the Clean Sheet Law, who could only run for any election, who was condemned at most in the first instance.

00:10:00.000 And Lula was condemned in the third instance.

00:10:04.000 He couldn't run for the elections.

00:10:08.000 So, a minister appointed by Lula, Mr. Edson Fachin, decided to find nullity in the corruption process, in which he had already been condemned in the third instance, and unanimously in all the instances.

00:10:28.000 He simply said that Lula should be judged in Brasília, and not as he was in Curitiba, a place where he was condemned.

00:10:37.000 And then he annulled the condemnations.

00:10:42.000 He didn't absolve Lula.

00:10:44.000 The process went back to the first instance.

00:10:48.000 Well, here the law of the clean sheet doesn't reach those who are being judged or condemned in the first instance.

00:10:57.000 That's how Lula da Silva got the right to contest the elections. 1.00

00:11:04.000 Obviously, by a casuism of the Supreme Minister, indicated by PT in the past.

00:11:12.000 We'll get to more with President Bolsonaro in just one moment first.

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00:12:39.000 So, I want to ask about Lula's campaign.

00:12:41.000 Lula obviously has a very far left past.

00:12:44.000 He's been campaigning as much more of a moderate this time around.

00:12:47.000 When he was actually in office, he seemed to govern slightly more moderately than he actually campaigned originally.

00:12:54.000 Do you think that he's lying about what he intends to do?

00:12:57.000 How much of a socialist is he?

00:12:59.000 Or is he mainly sort of a welfare state, American-style democrat?

00:13:03.000 They didn't count on the discovery Corruption is very big in your government, which was discovered by chance, which here in Brazil became known as Operation Lava Jato.

00:13:20.000 A lot of resources deviated.

00:13:23.000 A lot.

00:13:24.000 As I just said.

00:13:25.000 Pension fund, around 8, 9 billion dollars.

00:13:27.000 Petrobras, 170 billion dollars.

00:13:32.000 BNDS, something like 80 billion dollars.

00:13:38.000 Federal economic box, around 9 billion dollars.

00:13:46.000 The box is one thing, the pension fund of the box is another.

00:13:50.000 So, it exceeds the house of 500 billion dollars.

00:13:55.000 The deviation by the government, Lula in his management and Dilma Rousseff.

00:14:02.000 This was very strong in Brazil.

00:14:04.000 And it ended in 2016, in the middle of Dilma Rousseff's second term, the impeachment process, and as the vote here is open to these issues, it is not secret, in the end, Dilma was hunted.

00:14:25.000 And another case happened, right?

00:14:27.000 The hunted person in Brazil has been uneligible for 8 years.

00:14:34.000 The other minister of the Supreme Court, who led the process in the Federal Senate, made an agreement with the senators and made Dilma uneligible.

00:14:50.000 I gave a very forceful vote because of Dilma Rousseff's vote.

00:14:54.000 I already had a certain notoriety in Brazil and I became even more known.

00:15:00.000 Obviously, the press hit me a lot here, but I became even more known and I had already decided to run for the elections in 2018.

00:15:09.000 They tried to assassinate me on September 6th, they were unsuccessful.

00:15:18.000 Then the elections come in.

00:15:22.000 I believe I won in the first round, the 2018 elections.

00:15:24.000 We went to the second round.

00:15:27.000 It's a very complicated story and it would take a few dozen minutes to explain it, but I managed to run for office.

00:15:35.000 And I took over the government, setting up the ministry in a very different way from all the other presidents who preceded me.

00:15:46.000 They always set up their ministries accepting political parties' impositions so that there would be support within the parliament.

00:16:00.000 I set up a minister with a third of soldiers and the other two thirds of civilians, but they knew their responsibility and had the competence to do your job in front of the Ministry.

00:16:17.000 2019, the first year, was very difficult, because we didn't have a good relationship with the National Congress.

00:16:30.000 But we won, 2020 came, another very strong complicator that affected the whole world, the issue of COVID.

00:16:42.000 2021, we had other problems here, such as the lack of water never seen in Brazil.

00:16:46.000 1922, the war in Ukraine.

00:16:49.000 Along with that, inflation all over the world.

00:16:54.000 We took over the inflation, reducing fuel taxes.

00:16:57.000 We serve the most humble, with assistance.

00:17:03.000 Assistance, social benefit.

00:17:12.000 In the order of $120 to 21 million families.

00:17:16.000 All within what we call fiscal responsibility.

00:17:22.000 At the moment, we are in the third month with negative inflation, deflation.

00:17:29.000 The products here are obviously falling in price.

00:17:34.000 The labor market is doing very well.

00:17:37.000 We are in the house of 8%, a little above that.

00:17:41.000 Unemployment in Brazil is a good rate, taking into account previous governments.

00:17:48.000 The economy is doing very well.

00:17:53.000 We have also reduced taxes on other products, like a third of a product called, of a tax called IPI.

00:18:02.000 There are 4,000 products here and we are collecting more.

00:18:09.000 We have a ceiling to spend on, called the gas ceiling, and Brazil is doing very well.

00:18:17.000 We are a world power in food supply.

00:18:24.000 And also, our proposal, which is already beginning to come into force, Brazil will be a great exporter of clean energy, called green hydrogen, where only on the coast of the Northeast region, further north of Brazil, our potential is raised,

00:18:45.000 we will be able to produce clean energy, equivalent to 50 times what Itaipu Bi-National produces here in Brazil.

00:18:57.000 So Brazil has food, has energy, has biodiversity, has mineral wealth, has a fantastic climate, agricultural lands still Not being used.

00:19:15.000 We preserve two-thirds of our natural vegetation, which is in the same way as we were discovered in 1500.

00:19:23.000 Brazil has a huge way ahead to really move forward.

00:19:27.000 In the current year, we went from the 13th to the 10th economy in the world.

00:19:34.000 We are from the 13th to the 10th economy in the world, and we can, year after year, recover positions.

00:19:42.000 The whole world is well related to us, obviously because of our potential.

00:19:47.000 And Brazil is something that every country in the world wants to have a partnership with.

00:19:56.000 When we look at Brazil, the old joke about Brazil was that it was the country of the future and it always would be.

00:20:02.000 And a large part of that has been because of the regulations, the taxation, and the corruption in Brazil.

00:20:09.000 How have you taken on the issue of deregulating the economy?

00:20:12.000 What have you done with tax policy?

00:20:13.000 And most of all, how do you fight corruption in a state where, as you describe, multiple leaders have been indicted for corruption?

00:20:21.000 Some have served time in jail.

00:20:23.000 How do you fight corruption in a state that's been so endemically In almost four years, we haven't had corruption in Brazil.

00:20:33.000 And I've always said, if it appears, we help investigate.

00:20:41.000 Accusations appear, but they don't go forward because there was no public resource exit to any place.

00:20:55.000 Why did this happen?

00:20:57.000 Because we don't accept political parties' indications to integrate not only the government through ministries, but also state and official banks.

00:21:12.000 Each minister or president of a state or official bank is responsible for the indication of all their second steps.

00:21:23.000 I determine that they cannot give in to the pressure or suggestion of indicating people out of their knowledge.

00:21:36.000 BNDS, for example, which lent money to dictatorships in South America, doesn't lend anymore.

00:21:47.000 A former federal deputy who was found in his apartment with 10 million dollars.

00:21:53.000 And he was the director of the Federal Economic Box.

00:21:57.000 So certainly the resource came from there.

00:22:00.000 So we fight corruption in Brazil.

00:22:02.000 Corruption is no longer talked about in Brazil.

00:22:05.000 The political parties no longer press me for positions.

00:22:09.000 This has been pacified.

00:22:13.000 And when we put technical people in the ministry, they started working.

00:22:18.000 Only this month, I could say something that came from the Ministry of Mines and Energy.

00:22:24.000 We couldn't exploit lithium, for example, in a region of Minas Gerais, known as Vale do Jequitinhonha, due to internal problems of the government itself.

00:22:36.000 We overcame this.

00:22:38.000 We're ready, we're in a condition to explore lithium in Minas Gerais.

00:22:47.000 The issue of offshore wind turbines, as I said a little while ago, is also already regulated.

00:22:52.000 In the current month, we are reactivating the construction of our third nuclear power plant, called ANGRA 3.

00:23:03.000 Also in the state of Ceará, a decision made this month, by decree of myself and the Ministry, we're going to explore uranium in the state of Ceará, a region known as Santa Quitéria.

00:23:21.000 And I could mention dozens of things that are in progress because of the actions of the government.

00:23:28.000 When you talk about a more sluggish state, There were thousands of regulatory norms that hindered the entrepreneur.

00:23:38.000 We put an end point in 90% of these norms.

00:23:41.000 of these rules.

00:23:43.000 We also created a law in 2019, my first year in office, known here as the Law of Economic Freedom.

00:23:52.000 You can see, at the end of the Lula government, in 2010, it took you four months on average to open a company in Brazil.

00:24:04.000 and everything.

00:24:05.000 In my government, it takes one day.

00:24:07.000 Today, we are also the 7th most digitized country in the world.

00:24:12.000 the 7th most digitized country in the world.

00:24:16.000 All of this stimulated entrepreneurship, the opening of new companies, the free market.

00:24:26.000 We didn't open public contests, as it was very common in the past, where the public machine was swollen.

00:24:38.000 I opened contests only for what was necessary, such as Federal Police and Federal Highway Police.

00:24:48.000 We understand this, the market understands, with a great administrative reform, by digitizing the government, and by not opening a competition for shares that can be replaced by private equity, with a great administrative reform, without the Brazilian parliament.

00:25:06.000 I believe that all the measures taken They were responsible for the fact that our economy didn't have a big boom in 2020.

00:25:17.000 The world expected Brazil to decrease by 10%.

00:25:22.000 And we lost, we decreased by 4%.

00:25:25.000 We were one of the countries that decreased the least in the world.

00:25:31.000 A direct reflection for the good of the population, which kept its jobs.

00:25:38.000 Today, we have already created more than 5 million jobs in three and a half years.

00:25:44.000 And the informality that is very strong here in Brazil, which is the one that works on its own, has returned to normal pre-pandemic.

00:25:59.000 For the 15th consecutive week, inflation is seen down.

00:26:08.000 As well as week by week, our gross domestic product is seen to rise.

00:26:14.000 It's a clear sign of the recovery of the economy.

00:26:20.000 And obviously, when it comes to services, it's a sign that the population is working.

00:26:26.000 This is a country where everyone has an opportunity.

00:26:31.000 The PT, Lula, always came back to the side to get used to this population living in the state.

00:26:39.000 We changed that.

00:26:40.000 And I understand, if there hadn't been an impeachment, Lula would be, or someone from the PT, elected in 2018.

00:26:48.000 And we would already be a Venezuela here in Brazil.

00:26:53.000 Look at Argentina.

00:26:55.000 A little less than a year ago, the president took over Fernandes, Lula's friend, and other members of the São Paulo Forum here in Brazil.

00:27:08.000 A few decades ago, Argentina had a GDP similar to ours.

00:27:14.000 Today, it's down there, and 40% of its people are in the poverty line.

00:27:19.000 And here's a fact that's with you in Brazil, A few weeks ago, the candidate promised the population, every weekend, picanha and beer.

00:27:33.000 Coincidentally, the candidate Fernandes, in Argentina, also promised barbecue to his people.

00:27:44.000 Advertisements were even seen in supermarkets, in the gondolas, where there was meat to sell.

00:27:50.000 Vote Fernandes and Kirchner and you're going to eat barbecue on the weekend.

00:27:55.000 Today, there is no bone to eat in Argentina.

00:27:58.000 The way President Fernandes interfered in the economy, prohibiting the export of meat, taxing up to 33% of agricultural products for export, led to the discouragement of the farmers and of those who deal with the field product.

00:28:26.000 So, less...

00:28:28.000 So, less supply, more inflation and food shortages.

00:28:31.000 It's the problem that Argentina is experiencing at the moment.

00:28:37.000 And we obviously don't want that for our Brazil.

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00:30:03.000 So, to what do you attribute the upswing of the radical left in South America?

00:30:07.000 We've seen South American leftists take over in Chile, in Colombia, in Argentina.

00:30:13.000 Obviously, we've seen the catastrophe in Venezuela and, you know, the fact that Lula is now pulling The pandemic has led to the loss of people's purchasing power.

00:30:23.000 you as a demonstrator of the continuing strength of the far left in South America.

00:30:27.000 Why is South America seemingly so susceptible to this sort of stuff after dramatic failure after dramatic failure on the continent?

00:30:35.000 The pandemic has led to people losing purchasing power.

00:30:41.000 The pandemic has led to people losing purchasing power.

00:30:50.000 So, for example, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, the people passed the need.

00:31:00.000 In Brazil it wasn't different.

00:31:02.000 We passed it too.

00:31:02.000 Less, but we passed it.

00:31:04.000 And the people voted on proposals from the left, blaming the current president for the economic crisis, without taking into account The consequences of the pandemic, the consequences adopted in South America, sending the people to stay at home to fight the virus, which the economy would take care of later.

00:31:29.000 So this led many people who lost their purchasing power, the poor, to vote for the false proposal on the left.

00:31:34.000 Here they did the same thing, but I have more time to show the reality to the population.

00:31:43.000 And we've shown it.

00:31:45.000 And more and more, the population is understanding what's going on.

00:31:51.000 Others didn't have that chance.

00:31:53.000 I'm having this chance to show the population what we've been through and why inflation and price increases are happening in such a short time.

00:32:03.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:32:04.000 Today, in Brazil, gasoline here, the liter of gasoline, around 4 to 50 cents, is 80 cents a dollar.

00:32:11.000 In relation to Europe, it's half the price.

00:32:14.000 In relation to Europe, it's half the price.

00:32:18.000 The food is a lot more expensive here too.

00:32:22.000 A kilo of chicken in Brazil is costing...

00:32:27.000 I think in the United States it's much more expensive.

00:32:32.000 You can't even compare it to here.

00:32:35.000 It's many times more expensive.

00:32:37.000 So the PT, 14 years in the government, they also destroyed the educational base in Brazil.

00:32:46.000 They always went for automatic approval.

00:32:53.000 And benefits for students, which do not encourage students to study.

00:32:59.000 We have a PISA test, the International School Learning Test, where 70 countries participate, and Brazil is in last place, in one of the last places in this test.

00:33:15.000 We even lost to five countries here in South America, and we were almost in first place.

00:33:20.000 But this is an investment for the PT.

00:33:22.000 The more misinformed the population is, without the ability to understand certain issues, these people are captured by the party and are allied to it.

00:33:37.000 And here in Brazil they also play hard, the question of not giving freedom of expression, the question against it.

00:33:45.000 But in the liberation of drugs, marijuana, the liberation of abortion, and the so-called gender ideology, where there are children of 7, 8, 9, 10 years old, boys don't know if they are boys or girls, and vice versa.

00:34:10.000 It's a terrible thing here in Brazilian education.

00:34:15.000 A lot of people end up at a higher level, semi-illiterate.

00:34:21.000 In the PT government, it took three years to make a child illiterate.

00:34:28.000 In our government now, more than half of the municipalities in Brazil, with our methodology, take six months.

00:34:38.000 So we're investing in this base, seeking the freedom of the kids, teaching them how to write in the first year, in the first six months.

00:34:51.000 This is our big job.

00:34:52.000 The universities in Brazil, a considerable part of them, only have ideology, the formation of militants within them.

00:35:05.000 The best university in Asia-Pacific is between 201 and 250 in the world ranking.

00:35:11.000 in the world ranking.

00:35:15.000 So up to 250, there is one Brazilian university that fits as the best in the world.

00:35:23.000 It is a catastrophe, the legacy left by PT in the field of education.

00:35:29.000 So one of the areas in which you've been widely demonized by the media has been with regard to social policy.

00:35:35.000 You mentioned before your positions on abortion, on same-sex marriage.

00:35:40.000 Brazil has been historically a very traditional country when it comes to things like marriage, when it comes to abortion.

00:35:46.000 In 2010, it was President Lula's last year.

00:35:47.000 After that, Dilma Rousseff from PT also took over.

00:35:49.000 What do you make of the push by the far left in countries like Brazil to confuse people with gender ideology or to liberalize efforts with regard to abortion?

00:36:00.000 In 2010, it was President Lula's last year.

00:36:05.000 Then Dilma Rousseff, from PT, also took over.

00:36:09.000 In 2010, Lula approved in the House a bill that sentenced up to three years in prison a priest or a pastor who refused to marry two men or two women.

00:36:25.000 Obviously, fathers and pastors did not agree with this.

00:36:37.000 The bill went to the federal senate.

00:36:40.000 I got into this fight Defending that the priest refused to perform a marriage that was not in accordance with the Bible.

00:36:55.000 Hence the homophobic label.

00:36:59.000 I was defending that priests and pastors were not arrested for refusing to perform the marriage of two men.

00:37:05.000 They took it to the side because I was homophobic.

00:37:08.000 And the LGBT population must be about 5% in Brazil, maybe.

00:37:15.000 And threw this part of society against me.

00:37:19.000 So they take certain defenses of ours to demonize us.

00:37:31.000 Here they say, for example, that I am against the northeasterner.

00:37:35.000 The northeast is worth almost a third of the Brazilian electorate.

00:37:38.000 But I am married to the daughter of a northeasterner.

00:37:46.000 So, they make everything possible.

00:37:49.000 When I defend the man of the field, they say I'm the destroyer of nature.

00:37:56.000 When I defend the legitimate right to defense, in this case, freedom, with some criteria for the person to have a firearm at home, they accuse me of wanting to arm the population to cause chaos in here.

00:38:14.000 And a large part of the media, almost all of it, is from the left.

00:38:22.000 The research institutes themselves are bought.

00:38:25.000 The left has money.

00:38:26.000 I would never buy a research institute.

00:38:31.000 So we have the media work done by the PT, we have our big left-wing press, how is it?

00:38:38.000 It's not different, even very different from the United States.

00:38:42.000 And we face all this with truth.

00:38:45.000 But Brazil, which has our side and is very strong, 90% of Brazilians are Christians, Evangelicals or Catholics.

00:38:55.000 And a considerable part of them understands my situation and defends me.

00:39:03.000 Here, candidate Lula says all the time that he's going to regulate the media, he's going to censor the media, and yet the media supports him.

00:39:16.000 They always want to regulate the media.

00:39:18.000 They tried while they were in government.

00:39:21.000 They didn't succeed.

00:39:22.000 They were sure that Dilma would conclude her term, and another leftist, maybe Lula himself, would succeed her.

00:39:29.000 And then, one more term, They imposed socialism, communism in Brazil, without even firing a shot.

00:39:39.000 They weren't successful.

00:39:40.000 On the other hand, there was someone who behaved like an inflexible person, who didn't negotiate with the left in search of support from the parliament.

00:39:52.000 And that's how we are to this day.

00:39:53.000 It is so true that I never received a PT deputy to talk to me.

00:39:59.000 And in the elections now, we had great success for the Parliament.

00:40:06.000 any reason that should be...

00:40:07.000 The majority, two-thirds of the House, went to the center-right.

00:40:13.000 The road is open.

00:40:16.000 Through Parliament, we reformed the State, made it more agile, lighter, and we really rose several positions in the ranking of the world's largest GDP.

00:40:32.000 Are you surprised by the amount of vitriol from the American media for you?

00:40:36.000 Because the amount of hatred, obviously, in Brazilian media, that's predictable to a certain extent.

00:40:42.000 In every country, there's a lot of domestic opposition in the media to whomever is the leader.

00:40:47.000 But the New York Times, for example, seems to really despise you at a deep level.

00:40:52.000 I remember a couple of years ago when they were In a commercial context with the world.

00:40:57.000 Brazil is a power in the agribusiness.

00:40:59.000 the Amazon, this was a major, it was made into a major global issue.

00:41:03.000 When it came to your handling of COVID, the New York Times seemed to spend almost every day covering how you were handling COVID.

00:41:09.000 What do you make of the attention paid to you by international media, not just domestic media?

00:41:13.000 Brazil is a powerhouse in the agribusiness, in its commodities.

00:41:23.000 And we produce a lot of indigenous products.

00:41:29.000 Our productivity is very good.

00:41:30.000 So let's go to that side.

00:41:31.000 And another one.

00:41:33.000 In Europe as a whole, who wants to know the truth about the environmental issue in Brazil?

00:41:42.000 Whoever dares to say that the Amazon is not on fire, has simply buried their political career.

00:41:53.000 The times I've been to Esteru, like at the UN in 2019, I've always talked about the Amazon, the truth about it.

00:42:02.000 I always invite important people to fly over the Amazon, not to see a focus of heat.

00:42:09.000 Our forest is humid, it doesn't catch fire.

00:42:13.000 The fire that exists is in its periphery.

00:42:17.000 It exists, no one denies it.

00:42:19.000 We fight it.

00:42:22.000 So much so that if you compare my four years in office with the first four in Lula from 2011 to 2014, there was three times more deforestation in his government.

00:42:37.000 We deal with these issues with much more responsibility.

00:42:40.000 Now I understand, the Amazon is equivalent to a Western Europe.

00:42:45.000 It's huge!

00:42:49.000 Only the Yanomami Indigenous Reserve has twice the territorial extension of the state of Rio de Janeiro.

00:42:59.000 We tried to approve it, but we couldn't.

00:43:01.000 We should be able to next year.

00:43:03.000 There's a law called Fundamental Regularization.

00:43:10.000 where you could, via satellite, when detecting any deforestation or any heat focus, know who owns that piece of land.

00:43:20.000 We call here knowing the CPF of that person.

00:43:24.000 And then you go up to that person and see if that deforestation was irregular or not.

00:43:33.000 We didn't have that, because the left worked against it.

00:43:35.000 Because they knew I was going to have it in my hands, Something to tell the truth about deforestation and the focus of fires in the Amazon.

00:43:44.000 In the event of the election, I will certainly approve this project and a final point will be placed in the lies about deforestation and the focus of fires in the Amazon with all this potential as it is disclosed.

00:44:00.000 Folks, our conversation will continue with questions about President Trump versus President Biden and how President Bolsonaro has dealt with both of them.

00:44:08.000 We'll also get to his COVID policy.

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00:44:17.000 Well, President Bolsonaro, really appreciate you joining the show.

00:44:20.000 Thank you so much for your time.

00:44:21.000 And I know that you're a very busy man, so we really appreciate it.

00:44:25.000 Thank you, man.

00:44:25.000 Obrigado.

00:44:26.000 Thank you, man.

00:44:27.000 Vivas Américas.

00:44:28.000 Long live the Americas. 1.00

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Presidente Jair Bolsonaro | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 132 [Português]

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