The Ben Shapiro Show - Putting the Panic in Pandemic | Ep. 962

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00:00:22.000 Well, coronavirus is on the tip of everybody's tongue.

00:00:25.000 I don't mean literally because then a lot of us would be dead.

00:00:27.000 But coronavirus is obviously in the news and it should be in the news.

00:00:31.000 It's very scary stuff.

00:00:32.000 The reason it's very scary stuff is because no one knows anything.

00:00:34.000 And so when you hear folks in the media talking as though they know something, as though either they know that this is not going to become a major issue or they know that it is going to become a major issue.

00:00:42.000 Understand, no one knows anything at this point.

00:00:45.000 And one of the reasons nobody knows anything at this point is because China has been actively quashing the information coming out of China about the extent of the coronavirus.

00:00:53.000 How many people have been infected?

00:00:54.000 How transmissible it is?

00:00:55.000 How deadly it is?

00:00:57.000 There are two rates that you really want to know about when you're talking about a virus.

00:01:00.000 The first rate is the transmissibility, right?

00:01:02.000 How high is the transmissibility?

00:01:04.000 Is it transmissible via bodily fluids like Ebola, for example, or is it transmissible via air?

00:01:09.000 If it is transmissible via air, how hard is it to acquire the virus?

00:01:12.000 This virus appears to have a very high rate of transmission, meaning it appears to be very easily transmissible.

00:01:18.000 This is why you saw that situation with the cruise ship, the South Korean cruise ship, or the Japanese cruise ship, in which the cruise ship, the Diamond Princess ship, was quarantined For like two weeks and suddenly everybody on board had this virus.

00:01:29.000 It is very easily transmissible.

00:01:31.000 The problem is we don't actually know the death rates because we don't actually have good statistics from China as to how many people have acquired this virus and how many people have died from this virus.

00:01:40.000 So latest statistics suggest about 80,000 people in China have acquired the virus and about 3,000 people in China have died from the virus.

00:01:47.000 That is a significant death rate.

00:01:49.000 That's a very high death rate compared to, for example, the flu.

00:01:52.000 So the flu has a death rate, a mortality rate of about .1%, maybe a little bit less than .1%.

00:01:58.000 This virus has a death rate, at least according to the Chinese model, that is well in excess of 2%.

00:02:05.000 It may be approaching as high as 3%.

00:02:07.000 Now, we don't have full information.

00:02:09.000 As to which sectors of the population this most affects.

00:02:12.000 Is it affecting young healthy people?

00:02:13.000 Is it affecting older people?

00:02:14.000 I'm gonna give you the information that we have to start.

00:02:16.000 Because I think that we ought to start with the information that we do have before we start all the speculation.

00:02:20.000 Because everyone, in terms of politics and the economy, is politicizing this thing.

00:02:24.000 You have people on the Democratic side of the aisle who are already claiming that President Trump is responsible for the spread of coronavirus, despite the fact that we are still in double digits as far as the number of Americans we know who have acquired coronavirus.

00:02:34.000 And then you have President Trump out there suggesting that this thing is all a media creation, that there's no reason to worry about coronavirus at all.

00:02:40.000 You got the stock market, which has plummeted 10% since it's open on Monday.

00:02:44.000 The stock market closed to an all-time high on Friday at close to $29,000, and it is all the way down at about $26,000 as of this morning.

00:02:53.000 That obviously is driven by lack of information rather than plethora of information, right?

00:02:58.000 If there were more information, we'd know whether this thing is a buy market or a sell market, right?

00:03:03.000 If we knew that this thing were going to cool off and that it was going to die out, people would be buying stocks.

00:03:07.000 I mean, it would be a great time to buy stocks.

00:03:08.000 If, however, this thing is going to get worse and the supply chains are going to be disrupted, then that sell-off continues and a market readjustment occurs that Really is significant.

00:03:17.000 Okay, so here is what we know.

00:03:18.000 The best article I've seen on this comes from Quentin Fatrell over at MarketWatch talking about a study from JAMA, which is a medical journal, the Journal of American Medicine.

00:03:28.000 They released a paper analyzing whatever data was available from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

00:03:32.000 Now again, the big problem here is that China was literally imprisoning people who were talking about this thing early on.

00:03:39.000 It turns out that authoritarian regimes have a horrible record of stopping pandemics, specifically because they are more worried about the image of the regime than they are about stopping the pandemic.

00:03:47.000 So they will take low-level officials who are trying to raise this thing up the chain, and they will punish them.

00:03:52.000 They try to take people who are disseminating information to the public outside of China, and they will throw them in jail.

00:03:57.000 I mean, all of that is not a good move when you are trying to shut down a pandemic and keep people informed, because people are flying in and out of China every single day.

00:04:06.000 While the Chinese government is more focused on its image-making publicly, Okay, we'll get to more of what exactly the statistics show, at least the statistics that we have available.

00:04:20.000 Again, there's a lack of information.

00:04:22.000 Anybody who tells you differently, anybody who's engaging in sort of irresponsible speculation about where this thing is going without giving you the facts first is doing you a disservice.

00:04:31.000 You should be taking whatever precautions are necessary.

00:04:34.000 What I mean by that is not that you should be barricading yourself in your home, but it does mean that, like any other emergency, you probably should have a two-week supply of food and water.

00:04:41.000 This is what the CDC recommends.

00:04:42.000 They recommend this if you have got tornadoes or earthquakes.

00:04:44.000 That really should not change things dramatically.

00:04:46.000 We're not yet at the point where we are talking about full-scale school shutdowns, but we've seen other countries that are engaging in that sort of thing.

00:04:53.000 So there's a lack of information.

00:04:54.000 It's making people feel very unsettled.

00:04:56.000 And it is too early, frankly, to tell people whether they ought to be feeling unsettled or not, because we just don't know.

00:05:01.000 And we just don't know is one of the scariest things in the English language.

00:05:03.000 It really is.

00:05:04.000 Because what you look to from the government is sort of the protection that you would get from God if you prayed, right?

00:05:09.000 That government is going to come in and solve all your problems.

00:05:11.000 Government can't even solve all your problems where you have an authoritarian government in China.

00:05:15.000 The notion that government is going to be able to preemptively tell you that everything is going to be fine in an area of great uncertainty is obviously not true.

00:05:22.000 So being realistic about what government can tell you, government can do things, but being realistic about what government is capable of telling you in an area of grey information, at the very least?

00:05:31.000 That I think is the responsible thing to do.

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00:07:05.000 Okay, so back to this study from the medical journal JAMA.

00:07:09.000 So they're basing this on statistics released by China as of February 11th.

00:07:13.000 Again, this is incomplete.

00:07:14.000 China particularly is going to have a stake in claiming that it really is only claiming old people because it makes them look really bad if young people are dying from the virus.

00:07:21.000 The sample's overall case fatality rate was 2.3%, which is approximately 230 times higher than the flu's death rate.

00:07:29.000 I mean, that is a very, very high death rate.

00:07:32.000 Again, the flu's death rate in the United States last year was about 0.1%.

00:07:37.000 If you multiply that by 10, sorry, it's about 23 times higher.

00:07:43.000 My bad, it's not 230 times, but about 23 times higher by the statistics that I've seen.

00:07:48.000 No deaths occurred in those aged nine or younger, which makes me a little suspicious of these statistics, but cases in those aged 70 to 79 had an 8% fatality rate for people aged 80 years or older, fatality rate of 14.8%.

00:08:02.000 No deaths reported among mild and severe cases, but if you have a secondary condition that exacerbates it, then you got a real problem on your hands.

00:08:09.000 If you have diabetes or cardiovascular disease or chronic respiratory disease or hypertension, then this exacerbates whatever underlying condition you have, and you're likely to have a higher mortality rate.

00:08:19.000 In the latest China-based study, not peer-reviewed by U.S.

00:08:22.000 scientists, of course, because China will not let anyone in, China is a bad actor on the world stage, man. 0.91

00:08:26.000 They're a bad actor on the world stage, and it's causing a lot of people to rethink investments in China now and in the future.

00:08:33.000 It found that men had a fatality rate of 2.8% versus 1.7% for women.

00:08:38.000 Probably a large part of that is due to the fact that men in China smoke at a much higher rate than women apparently.

00:08:42.000 About 50% of men in China smoke.

00:08:44.000 And so if you have an underlying lung condition, you have emphysema or something, then it is more likely that you're going to die from exacerbation of that condition via coronavirus.

00:08:54.000 According to this JAMA study, there are about 82,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19, that's what it's called, and at least 2,768 deaths as of Wednesday.

00:09:03.000 That is according to the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering's Centers for System Science and Engineering.

00:09:07.000 There are more than 440 cases in northern Italy.

00:09:10.000 So this has indeed become a pandemic because it is well outside of China.

00:09:14.000 On Thursday, China's National Health Commission said there were 433 new confirmed cases of coronavirus and 29 more deaths as of Wednesday, bringing the total number of cases in that country near 80,000, the total number of deaths near 3,000.

00:09:25.000 South Korea has also reported 334 new cases.

00:09:28.000 That means that there are more than 1,500 cases in South Korea.

00:09:31.000 Denmark and Estonia have confirmed their first cases of the coronavirus.

00:09:34.000 Brazil confirmed its first case of coronavirus late on Wednesday.

00:09:37.000 And of course, in the United States, there are about 80 people who have been locked down in various areas of the United States.

00:09:43.000 The first The first case of an American who has coronavirus from an untraceable source emerged in Northern California.

00:09:49.000 What that means is that everybody else we've been able to trace to some sort of flight out of China or contact with somebody else who had coronavirus.

00:09:56.000 The fact that we're now seeing cases that are cropping up in which people are getting it from we don't know where, that's obviously very scary.

00:10:03.000 One of the big problems with coronavirus as opposed to, for example, Ebola, is that Ebola is only transmissible once the symptoms hit.

00:10:09.000 So once you start vomiting blood, that's when you are transmissible.

00:10:11.000 Coronavirus apparently has up to a two-week latency period where you are exhibiting no symptoms, and yet you're hanging around people, and you're sneezing on them, and you're shaking hands with them, and you can transmit the virus.

00:10:21.000 That means that this thing does have a very, very high transmissibility rate.

00:10:25.000 Naturally, stocks are continuing to tumble.

00:10:28.000 The virus has spread to some 4,700 countries and has put pressure on business and supply chains around the world, according to the New York Times.

00:10:35.000 Stocks on Wall Street fell sharply in early trading on Thursday as the sixth straight day of losses for the S&P 500, as investors continued to react with fear to the spreading of coronavirus outbreaks.

00:10:45.000 The selling could push major benchmarks into the United States into a correction, which would indicate that an index is down more than 10% from its most recent high.

00:10:52.000 We have pushed into that territory.

00:10:55.000 Again, it is very unclear at this point How far the coronavirus crisis is going to go.

00:11:00.000 Analysts at Goldman Sachs predicted that companies in the S&P 500 would generate no profit growth as a result of the crisis because of a severe decline in Chinese economic activity, disruption in the supply chain for American companies, and a slowdown in the United States economy.

00:11:15.000 Again, this is not a specifically American problem.

00:11:17.000 In fact, America is getting hit by coronavirus at a rate far lesser than virtually every other country.

00:11:22.000 But it is a problem pretty much everywhere else.

00:11:26.000 We have seen coronavirus crop up in dozens and dozens of countries.

00:11:30.000 In Iran, it's hitting like every major person in the government, which is pretty incredible.

00:11:34.000 According to an Iranian official, this is Joyce Karam, who is a reporter.

00:11:39.000 She is reporting on the situation.

00:11:41.000 She's a Washington correspondent for The National at UAE.

00:11:45.000 She is reporting four Iranian officials testing positive for coronavirus, including the vice president for women and family affairs, one lawmaker, the deputy health minister, and another lawmaker.

00:11:55.000 One Iranian official says there have been 254 cases of known coronavirus in Iran and 26 deaths, which would put their death rate at about 10%.

00:12:01.000 They've actually canceled Friday prayers in Iran, which is a big deal in Iran, obviously, very religiously oriented country.

00:12:09.000 Also over in Japan, you have seen the government of Japan ordering a close to all schools in Japan for like a month.

00:12:15.000 Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was asking all elementary, middle, and high schools to remain shut until spring holidays begin in late March.

00:12:22.000 This is according to the UK Metro.

00:12:23.000 The measure affects 12.8 million students at 35,000 schools nationwide, according to the Education Ministry.

00:12:29.000 Abe said the coming week or two is an extremely important time.

00:12:32.000 This is to prioritize the health and safety of the children and take precautions to avoid the risk of possible large-scale infections for many children and teachers who gather and spend hours together.

00:12:41.000 Every day.

00:12:41.000 Japan now has more than 890 cases, so much more severe than the United States, including 705 from that quarantined cruise ship.

00:12:48.000 An eighth death from the virus was confirmed Thursday in Japan's northernmost island of Hokkaido, now considered to be the site of a growing cluster.

00:12:56.000 There have been a bunch of local governments who had already announced their decisions to suspend classes.

00:13:00.000 We've already seen outbreaks in Northern Italy.

00:13:03.000 Israel has shut down travel to Asia because there are a lot of Asian flights that go in and out of Israel.

00:13:08.000 Israel has shut down travel out of there.

00:13:09.000 There's a lot of worries about permeability of borders in the Middle East, that if Iran is sending people across the border to Iraq, you could see outbreaks in Iraq, you could see outbreaks in Syria.

00:13:18.000 So the problem with pandemics is obviously pandemics grow in a couple of very specific situations.

00:13:24.000 Well, in general situations too, but very specific conditions.

00:13:28.000 One, transmissibility of borders, permeability of borders, people moving freely in large groups of people.

00:13:34.000 That is going to spread this thing much more quickly.

00:13:37.000 And so there's been a lot of talk about immigration and how this is really shutting down a lot of Europe's open immigration policies.

00:13:42.000 And two, The health conditions and informational conditions in a country make a big deal, make a big difference.

00:13:47.000 If you don't have great health facilities, if you are understaffed, then the possibility of this thing really running rampant through a population is very high.

00:13:53.000 If you can't quarantine people.

00:13:54.000 If your medical workers, for example, don't have masks, this has been a huge problem in China.

00:13:58.000 They don't have the proper masks, they don't have the proper gear.

00:14:00.000 If you don't have the proper masks and the proper gear, the first line of defense is your medical personnel.

00:14:05.000 And if your medical personnel are obtaining this stuff and then dealing with a bunch of other people who are coming in for checkups, And the transmissibility rate is going to go up wildly.

00:14:12.000 So how well you deal with this depends on the resources that are available and yes, your capacity to shut down the movement of human beings in largely permeable areas.

00:14:22.000 And in the Middle East, that's a huge problem because these borders are largely wide open.

00:14:26.000 In the United States, NASA health officials are warning residents to remain vigilant as over 80 people remain under voluntary quarantine for possible coronavirus exposure.

00:14:35.000 The county's Department of Health Commissioner, Dr. Lawrence Eisenstein, this is according to WCBS 880, says 175 residents have had some sort of voluntary isolation from the public, family and friends after traveling to China.

00:14:46.000 Though there have not been any confirmed cases in the county or the rest of New York, there are 83 people still under isolation.

00:14:51.000 They have to remain under quarantine for 14 days to prevent the possible spread of coronavirus should they be infected.

00:14:56.000 Because again, we may not even be able to detect if somebody has coronavirus until they become symptomatic and they can still pass that thing along.

00:15:02.000 So people are now being put in quarantine for a couple of weeks at a time.

00:15:07.000 Meanwhile, in Germany, Germany is warning over the virus epidemic.

00:15:10.000 Germany's health minister said Wednesday the country was at the beginning of an epidemic, as authorities in the West tested dozens of people who had contact with a couple infected with the coronavirus, gaining a foothold in Europe.

00:15:19.000 Germany has been bracing for an increase in confirmed cases because of the number of infected people spiking in nearby Italy.

00:15:24.000 Again, that permeability of borders in the EU not serving well.

00:15:29.000 The people of various countries in Europe.

00:15:32.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second.

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00:17:03.000 So as I say, the Associated Press reporting that Germany has been bracing for an increase in confirmed cases because Italy has been hit with a wave of cases.

00:17:09.000 Testing in Western Germany came after a 47-year-old man with the virus was hospitalized in serious condition in Dusseldorf.

00:17:16.000 The man's wife works in a kindergarten, which is great.

00:17:18.000 She was confirmed to have contracted the virus as well.

00:17:20.000 A soldier in the German Air Force who had contact with the hospitalized man has also tested positive as well.

00:17:25.000 That means there are 21 total cases in Germany.

00:17:29.000 Meanwhile, the President of the United States is finally speaking out about all of this.

00:17:35.000 And this is where things get quite political, quite quickly.

00:17:40.000 We'll get to President Trump in just one second.

00:17:42.000 One piece of good news, so there's good news and bad news.

00:17:46.000 The more cases of coronavirus that are reported, and the fewer cases of death that are reported, the lower the death rate is, which is good.

00:17:53.000 I mean, you want a low death rate, it means that your chances of dying are presumably lower.

00:17:57.000 At the same time, it makes it very difficult to contain because the more mild cases there are, the more this thing is being transmitted.

00:18:02.000 This is being reported by Vivian Wang for the New York Times in Hong Kong.

00:18:05.000 As a dangerous new coronavirus has ravaged China and spread throughout the rest of the world, the outbreak's toll has sown fear and anxiety.

00:18:10.000 Nearly 3,000 deaths, more than 81,000 cases, six continents infected.

00:18:14.000 But government officials and medical experts in their warnings about the epidemic have sounded a note of reassurance.

00:18:19.000 Though the virus can be deadly, the vast majority of those infected so far have only mild symptoms and make full recoveries.

00:18:24.000 It is an important factor to understand, medical experts said, both to avoid unnecessary global panic and to get a clear picture of the likelihood of transmission.

00:18:32.000 Many people are now panicking.

00:18:34.000 Some actually are exaggerating the risk.

00:18:35.000 And Dr. Jin Dongyan, a virology expert at University of Hong Kong, for governments, for public health professionals, they also have to deal with these because these will also be harmful.

00:18:43.000 Again, it is important to remember that even if the death rate is 2.3 percent, right, that sounds really scary.

00:18:49.000 It means two out of every hundred people die, but this is a brain trick to a certain extent.

00:18:52.000 Number one, your chances of obtaining coronavirus are not 100%.

00:18:56.000 Two, even if you do have coronavirus, there's a 98 out of 100 chance that you will not die from it.

00:19:01.000 Hey, which sounds a lot better than 2 out of 100 that you will die.

00:19:04.000 It's a weird way that the human brain works, is that if you say to somebody, your chances of death are 2 in 100, they're like, oh, bleep.

00:19:10.000 If you say to, honestly, 49 out of 50 people who obtain this do not die.

00:19:14.000 98 out of 100 people who obtain this do not die, and the chances that you're going to obtain it are fairly low.

00:19:20.000 It kind of lowers the rates of panic.

00:19:23.000 With that said, again, because there are so many mild cases, that means that it is hard to determine how far and how fast this thing is going to move.

00:19:33.000 Apparently, the overall fatality rate in China is 2.3%, but the number is inflated by the much higher fatality rate in Hubei province, which is 2.9%.

00:19:41.000 The rest of the country, it's 0.4%.

00:19:42.000 So that's a lot more, that makes it a lot more sanguine, right?

00:19:45.000 I mean, the fact is that Hubei, which is where this thing started and before the government really started to crack down, and happens to be one of the more impoverished areas of China, Right, that's why they're eating food from wild animal markets.

00:19:56.000 Right, that area has a 2.9% death rate, but 0.4% death rate means that 99.6% of people who obtain the virus do not die from it.

00:20:06.000 Right, 996 people, well, yes, 996 people out of 1,000 will not die from the virus.

00:20:13.000 So that is somewhat, I mean, it's a little bit more, it's a little bit more, I would say, calming With that said, we still don't know what it would mean if the coronavirus outbreak hit the United States, what exactly people would do in schools.

00:20:27.000 Would they shut down the schools?

00:20:29.000 Presumably.

00:20:30.000 Presumably a lot of people would be sent home.

00:20:33.000 And here we get into the Trump administration response.

00:20:36.000 So, the Trump administration response is the same as every other government response, which is, we're doing the best we can.

00:20:41.000 And now, one of the things that you don't want from the government is you don't want mixed messages, you don't want them downplaying the risk to the point where it seems like they're not taking it seriously, and you also don't want the President of the United States just going out there and shooting off the cuff, right?

00:20:53.000 This is an area where message discipline really does matter. 0.96

00:20:56.000 And the fact that President Trump has this habit of going on Twitter and firing off missives on the topic is really dumb. 0.66

00:21:01.000 Now, as we will see, the Democrats are trying to blame Trump for a pandemic that, number one, has nothing to do with Trump, and number two, Trump hasn't botched yet.

00:21:09.000 So it's very, they're obviously trying to take advantage of this, but two things can be true at once.

00:21:13.000 It can be true that Trump's handling of public relations is very haphazard, and that President Trump tends to speak, again, like a talk radio caller, and that puts him And that makes people uneasy.

00:21:26.000 The president over the last week, since this has started to explode in the news, the president over the last week tweeted out that the media were making the most of coronavirus, C-A-R-O, spelling it wrong.

00:21:35.000 And then he suggested that a vaccine was going to be developed within the month.

00:21:39.000 That is not true.

00:21:40.000 His people then came forth and said he was talking about Ebola vaccine, which is super useless.

00:21:44.000 Great.

00:21:45.000 Apparently it's going to take 12 to 18 months, according to the CDC, to develop some sort of really effective vaccine against coronavirus.

00:21:52.000 So the president was putting out information that wasn't exactly true.

00:21:55.000 I've been saying for weeks at this point, since the coronavirus thing started, let your experts talk, Mr. President.

00:22:00.000 Sit down and don't do this.

00:22:02.000 And don't be the guy who has to mouth off on all of this stuff.

00:22:06.000 Dr. Nancy Messonnier is director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC.

00:22:11.000 She said she had contacted her own local school superintendent this week, asked if the district was prepared.

00:22:15.000 She advised his parents to do the same.

00:22:17.000 She suggested that perhaps internet-based teleschooling could replace traditional schools.

00:22:22.000 Not clear exactly how that is going to work.

00:22:24.000 With that said, the government should be taking this stuff incredibly seriously and downplaying the sort of risks of this thing.

00:22:32.000 That would be a rather large mistake.

00:22:34.000 So, President Trump held a press conference yesterday.

00:22:37.000 And he explained that Americans should be feeling pretty good about this thing.

00:22:41.000 He said we made Americans much safer early on.

00:22:44.000 Which is, honestly, it's hard to take super seriously when you're seeing the first cases in the United States of community infection crop up.

00:22:50.000 Community infection meaning somebody got infected we don't know from where.

00:22:53.000 Here's President Trump yesterday saying, we made Americans safer early on.

00:22:57.000 We have through some very good early decisions, decisions that were actually ridiculed at the beginning.

00:23:02.000 We closed up our borders to flights coming in from certain areas.

00:23:08.000 Uh, areas that were hit by the coronavirus and hit pretty hard.

00:23:14.000 And we did it very early.

00:23:16.000 A lot of people thought we shouldn't have done it that early.

00:23:18.000 And we did.

00:23:18.000 And it turned out to be a very good thing.

00:23:21.000 And the number one priority from our standpoint is the health and safety of the American people.

00:23:27.000 And that's the way I viewed it when I made that decision.

00:23:29.000 That's good, Trump.

00:23:30.000 OK, that's good, Trump.

00:23:30.000 Because the fact is that what you do need from the president at this point is him saying, yeah, we put up the walls.

00:23:36.000 Yes, I mean the border's closed.

00:23:38.000 We're not importing this disease from all areas of the globe.

00:23:41.000 So that's good Trump.

00:23:43.000 Bad Trump is where the president then dismisses warnings from the CDC.

00:23:46.000 The CDC basically said that there will be an outbreak here, it's inevitable.

00:23:49.000 And Trump said, it's not inevitable, I disagree with my own CDC head.

00:23:54.000 Honestly, I don't think that the President is an expert in virology.

00:23:57.000 I don't think that the President is an expert in medicine.

00:23:59.000 I don't think that the President is an expert in anything medically related.

00:24:03.000 I mean, this is a guy who in 2012 was tweeting out that vaccines cause autism.

00:24:06.000 So, I really am not taking seriously his battle with the CDC.

00:24:10.000 It's hard to credit that.

00:24:11.000 Again, let your people talk.

00:24:13.000 Let your people talk and don't downplay.

00:24:15.000 Rich Lowry, who's certainly an ally of the president over at the National Review, he was pointing out at Politico that the president should be pointing out that this is like a thing that people should be taking seriously.

00:24:23.000 Americans are taking this seriously.

00:24:25.000 When you downplay people's fears in the United States, it doesn't make them feel any better.

00:24:29.000 It's like when you are having a fight with your spouse and you say to them, calm down.

00:24:33.000 Has anyone ever gotten calmer when told to calm down?

00:24:35.000 There's not a single person on planet Earth who has gotten calmer when told to calm down.

00:24:39.000 The only way that people feel calmer is when you take their fear seriously and you say, okay, I totally understand the fear.

00:24:45.000 Here's what we're doing to mitigate it.

00:24:46.000 A lot of that fear is reasonable.

00:24:48.000 Here's what is probably unreasonable.

00:24:50.000 That's the way to handle this thing.

00:24:52.000 Going out there and battling with your own CDC and saying it's not inevitable.

00:24:55.000 That's not useful.

00:24:56.000 So good Trump was, we made Americans safer early on, we shut down a lot of travel.

00:25:00.000 Here's bad Trump dismissing his own CDC's warning.

00:25:03.000 I don't think it's inevitable.

00:25:04.000 It probably will.

00:25:06.000 It possibly will.

00:25:07.000 It could be at a very small level, or it could be at a larger level.

00:25:11.000 Whatever happens, we're totally prepared.

00:25:12.000 We have the best people in the world.

00:25:15.000 You see that from the study.

00:25:17.000 We have the best prepared people, the best people in the world.

00:25:21.000 Congress is willing to give us much more than we're even asking for.

00:25:24.000 It's nice for a change.

00:25:26.000 But we are totally ready, willing, and able.

00:25:30.000 So he said that the risk to the American people remains very low.

00:25:33.000 And then he said, we're ready to adapt, we're ready to do whatever we have to do if the disease spreads.

00:25:38.000 If it spreads, we'll spend whatever is appropriate, right?

00:25:39.000 That's the part, again, the good Trump is, we're gonna do what we have to do, right?

00:25:42.000 Good Trump is, we did what we had to do by shutting down the borders.

00:25:45.000 We're gonna do what we have to do going forward.

00:25:47.000 Whatever happens, we're prepared for it, right?

00:25:49.000 That's good, reassuring Trump.

00:25:50.000 Bad Trump is, I'm gonna argue with the assessment of my own scientific community about the quote-unquote inevitability of some sort of outbreak in the United States.

00:25:59.000 Dr. Anne Schuchat is the Principal Deputy Director of the CDC.

00:26:02.000 She said, Which again, is the responsible thing to do.

00:26:03.000 Okay.

00:26:21.000 I think that the president is handling this about pretty much what the president should do, right?

00:26:25.000 We shut down the border.

00:26:26.000 We're going to do whatever we have to do to shut this down.

00:26:28.000 We're going to make resources available and all of the rest.

00:26:31.000 And frankly, I don't think that the president is unjustified in blasting Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats.

00:26:36.000 As we will see momentarily, the Democrats have been jumping on this to claim that President Trump is responsible for the spread of coronavirus, which is just insane.

00:26:43.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:43.000 It's just a crazy contention.

00:26:45.000 Now, does the president have a big mouth when he says things like, I doubt my own CDC, I don't know if it's inevitable?

00:26:51.000 Yes, that's big mouth stuff.

00:26:53.000 It doesn't make the American people feel better.

00:26:55.000 With that said, has the president done anything to merit the kind of insane media coverage that is blaming him for a pandemic that has not yet happened?

00:27:03.000 Of course not.

00:27:04.000 And it shows that the media are covering this thing in the same way they have covered everything during the Trump administration.

00:27:08.000 They are preemptively blaming.

00:27:10.000 They are preemptively shaming without the evidence actually being there.

00:27:14.000 Nancy Pelosi is out there blaming Trump for a pandemic that has not yet occurred.

00:27:18.000 Suggesting that he has botched the response already.

00:27:22.000 Explain.

00:27:23.000 Explain how he's botched the response.

00:27:24.000 So Trump yesterday blasted Pelosi, said she's incompetent, and she's trying to use this to score political points.

00:27:29.000 Again, both of those things are true. 0.51

00:27:31.000 I think Speaker Pelosi's incompetent.

00:27:34.000 She lost the Congress once.

00:27:35.000 I think she's going to lose it again.

00:27:37.000 She lifted my poll numbers up 10 points.

00:27:39.000 I never thought that I would see that so quickly and so easily.

00:27:44.000 I'm leading everybody.

00:27:45.000 We're doing great.

00:27:46.000 I don't want to do it that way.

00:27:48.000 It's almost unfair if you think about it.

00:27:50.000 But I think she's incompetent, and I think she's not thinking about the country.

00:27:53.000 She knows it's not true.

00:27:54.000 She knows All they're trying to do is get a political advantage.

00:27:59.000 This isn't about political advantage.

00:28:01.000 We're all trying to do the right thing.

00:28:03.000 Okay, this right here is absolutely true.

00:28:04.000 I mean, when Trump goes after the Democrats for what they are saying on this sort of stuff, that is 100% true.

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00:31:38.000 So Democrats, super, super easy, super eager to blame President Trump for coronavirus.

00:31:49.000 They're very upset because Trump appointed his vice president, Mike Pence, to lead up the coronavirus task force.

00:31:54.000 Here was Mike Pence yesterday paying tribute to President Trump, as only Mike Pence can do.

00:31:59.000 But Democrats are going nuts over all of this.

00:32:01.000 Trump's made clear from the first days of this administration, we have no higher priority than the safety, security, health and well-being of the American people.

00:32:10.000 And from the first word of a outbreak of the coronavirus, the president took unprecedented steps.

00:32:16.000 to protect the American people from the spread of this disease.

00:32:21.000 He recounted those briefly, but the establishment of travel restrictions, aggressive quarantine effort of Americans that are returning, the declaration of a public health emergency and establishing the White House Corona Task Force are all reflective of the urgency that the president has brought to a whole-of-government approach.

00:32:43.000 Okay, so, you know, people are very angry at Pence because he's saying nice things about Trump, which is literally his job description, right?

00:32:48.000 He's the vice president.

00:32:49.000 When was the last time Biden said something bad about Obama?

00:32:51.000 It just doesn't happen.

00:32:52.000 But people are going nuts because, like, Pence is a science denier, a science denier.

00:32:57.000 He's not denying coronavirus exists, nor is he holding up the necessity for measures that have to be taken.

00:33:03.000 The Trump administration is already going to Congress for additional funding.

00:33:06.000 They should receive that additional funding.

00:33:08.000 This one is bipartisan and easy, guys.

00:33:09.000 You provide the resources that are necessary in order to fight the possibility of an outbreak.

00:33:13.000 But the media are already blaming Trump for a thing that hasn't happened yet.

00:33:17.000 This is an insane piece by Gayle Collins. 0.92

00:33:19.000 I mean, totally and utterly nuts.

00:33:21.000 Gayle Collins over at the New York Times.

00:33:23.000 So let's just be straight about this.

00:33:24.000 You have a virus, a coronavirus, that has popped up, COVID-19, that has popped up In China, on the basis of a wild animal market, people eating freaking bats and weird animals nobody's ever heard of before. 1.00

00:33:38.000 And then they get a virus, they spread it throughout this particular area.

00:33:41.000 The Chinese government shuts down all information.

00:33:43.000 The virus goes wild.

00:33:45.000 It goes wild in that area.

00:33:46.000 Then it is spread across the globe to countries all over the globe.

00:33:49.000 I mean, just in this show, I've mentioned Israel, Italy, Germany, Brazil.

00:33:54.000 Japan, South Korea, it's everywhere.

00:33:57.000 I mean, it is now gone to every single populated continent on planet Earth.

00:34:00.000 Every populated continent on planet Earth has been hit with coronavirus at this point.

00:34:05.000 And the New York Times' take from Gail Collins is, I'm not kidding, this is their headline, let's call it Trump virus.

00:34:13.000 Trump virus.

00:34:14.000 We don't have one confirmed death in the United States from coronavirus yet.

00:34:17.000 We have 3,000 in China.

00:34:19.000 We have a bevy in various other areas of the world.

00:34:22.000 We are still in double digits as far as the number of people we know actually have coronavirus in the United States, and we have one, count them, one confirmed case of somebody with a community infection in the United States.

00:34:31.000 And Gayle Collins wants to call this Trump virus. 0.86

00:34:35.000 I'm fairly certain that the Trump virus has infected her brain, and now like syphilis, it's corkscrewing through the soft tissues. 0.98

00:34:41.000 I mean, this is wild! 0.92

00:34:43.000 The sub-headline is, if you're feeling awful, you know who to blame.

00:34:47.000 Really?

00:34:48.000 So you end up with coronavirus, and your first thought is, Trump. 1.00

00:34:53.000 It's not, damn, I wish the Chinese government weren't such a corrupt, awful, authoritarian, evil place. 1.00

00:34:58.000 Your first thought is, Trump. 1.00

00:35:01.000 Okay, there's something wrong with Gayle Collins.

00:35:02.000 I don't know what happened to her. 1.00

00:35:03.000 I don't know if she was dropped on her head as a baby or what, but here is her idiotic piece. 1.00

00:35:07.000 Again, this is printed in the New York Times, the paper of record. 1.00

00:35:10.000 So our coronavirus star is going to be Mike Pence.

00:35:12.000 Feeling more secure?

00:35:14.000 I know full well the importance of presidential leadership, the VP said as soon as he was introduced in his new role.

00:35:18.000 Totally qualified.

00:35:19.000 First criteria for every job in this administration is capacity for praising the gloriousness of our commander-in-chief.

00:35:25.000 Yeah, when you think of Mike Pence, you maybe don't think about Pandemic Fighter Supreme.

00:35:28.000 But as President Trump pointed out repeatedly, he has already run Indiana.

00:35:32.000 Well, it could have been worse.

00:35:33.000 Having a czar does make you feel there's somebody in charge.

00:35:35.000 At least Trump didn't come before the cameras and announce solemnly, today I'm asking every American to cross your fingers.

00:35:39.000 Like, what is this piece?

00:35:41.000 This piece is basically, I don't like Trump, and I don't like Pence, and therefore, if I get coronavirus, it's their fault.

00:35:47.000 Okay, I don't like Bernie Sanders, but if I get coronavirus, it ain't Bernie's fault. 0.98

00:35:50.000 Bernie's a schmuck, but he has nothing to do with the transmission of coronavirus. 0.98

00:35:55.000 Our president had to be going crazy over a problem that involves both declining stock prices and germs. 0.99

00:35:59.000 This is the guy, after all, says Gayle Collins, who thinks shaking hands is barbaric, who is followed around by AIDS-bearing sanitizer.

00:36:05.000 During his press conference, he told the story of a fever-ridden supporter who gave him a hug.

00:36:08.000 Do you think it was an apocryphal fantasy?

00:36:10.000 Either way, the idea has been haunting him forever.

00:36:12.000 So let me just get this straight.

00:36:13.000 You're so paranoid about coronavirus, you're now blaming it on Trump.

00:36:15.000 But saying that Trump uses hand sanitizer after shaking a thousand hands, he's paranoid?

00:36:22.000 Okay, like, little secret to people who don't shake a thousand hands at events.

00:36:26.000 I've done it before.

00:36:27.000 You know what you do afterward?

00:36:28.000 You go wash your hands. 1.00

00:36:29.000 Because you're an idiot if you don't go wash your hands after you shake a thousand hands. 1.00

00:36:32.000 The chances are very good that somebody had a cold. 1.00

00:36:35.000 Come on.

00:36:37.000 Meanwhile, according to Gail Collins, Trump has come up with a totally new explanation for the stock market skid.

00:36:41.000 It turns out investors were frightened not so much by the pandemic as the Democratic debate, and then Trump pointed out that people are frightened by the Democratic candidates.

00:36:48.000 And Trump said that he had discovered that the flu in our country kills 25,000 people to 69,000 people a year.

00:36:54.000 So the problems are Democrats and the flu.

00:36:55.000 Again, like, I don't like that the president doesn't know how many people die from the flu every year, but that does not mean that he is not deploying the resources that are necessary. 0.96

00:37:02.000 By the way, this was not even the dumbest response. 0.95

00:37:04.000 Okay, the dumbest response came courtesy of genius with the plan, Elizabeth Warren. 0.97

00:37:07.000 So Senator Warren, Stumping for president in a quixotic campaign to be Bernie Sanders's second, which is really what's going on here. 0.97

00:37:15.000 She did a CNN town hall last night, and she was asked about coronavirus. 1.00

00:37:19.000 Her response is so all-fired moronic, it is almost difficult to describe how stupid this is. 1.00

00:37:23.000 And this was cheered because people are idiots. 1.00

00:37:25.000 Here is Elizabeth Warren. 1.00

00:37:26.000 I'm glad to see that she has broken into the primary color section of the Ann Taylor Loft sweater closet.

00:37:34.000 So here is Elizabeth Warren explaining that she is going to redirect money from border control to coronavirus. 1.00

00:37:43.000 Here is Elizabeth Warren's plan for dealing with coronavirus.

00:37:47.000 The way I think about this is first we think about allocation, kind of our overall approach.

00:37:54.000 I'm going to be introducing a plan tomorrow to take every dime that the president is now spending on his racist wall at our southern border and divert it to work on the coronavirus.

00:38:06.000 We also need someone in the White House who is coordinating all of the work and all of the messaging and all of the information.

00:38:14.000 And we need someone who is not actively disqualified from doing that the way the Vice President is.

00:38:20.000 Why is Mike Pence actively disqualified from doing that?

00:38:23.000 She kind of failed to explain that point, other than she doesn't like Mike Pence and he needs a new haircut.

00:38:27.000 Like, that's pretty much her only case.

00:38:29.000 I do love that she, like, just to boil this down, she is going to shut down Trump's racist border wall.

00:38:35.000 By the way, walls are inanimate objects, so it's weird that it's racist.

00:38:40.000 Like, inanimate objects typically don't have personality that way.

00:38:42.000 But she says that Trump's racist, we're going to shut down the border wall to flips through card, checks card, Stop global pandemics.

00:38:52.000 So your answer to pandemics, where the problem is people transmitting a virus through personal travel and crossing borders, your solution is less border security.

00:39:06.000 So the American government spends $4 trillion a year.

00:39:08.000 It seems to me there are a few grab bags of cash in there somewhere that we could use in an emergency.

00:39:12.000 Plus, we do sell an awful lot of bonds here in the United States.

00:39:16.000 In fact, bond yields are at an all-time high, so taking out additional debt is probably not going to be a problem at this point, but the bond yields are at an all-time low rather than the demand is at an all-time high. 1.00

00:39:25.000 When Elizabeth Warren says that her solution is to raid the border fund, Like, just on principle, I understand the wall's not going to be built for a little while, but on principle, if your first move is, I'm going to go open the border to stop a pandemic, You are a full-scale idiot. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Full stop, period. 1.00

00:39:42.000 You're a moron. 1.00

00:39:43.000 If your solution to, we have too much transmissibility of viruses because of human travel, if your solution is get rid of the border wall, it's because you're an idiot. 1.00

00:39:53.000 I love the people clapping like seals. 1.00

00:39:55.000 Yeah, because I hate walls!

00:39:56.000 Walls are bad!

00:39:57.000 Also, I'm going to stay home and I'm never going to go into a public place again because I'm scared of coronavirus.

00:40:00.000 But yeah, walls are super bad!

00:40:02.000 They're super bad! 1.00

00:40:04.000 How do we know how stupid this is? 1.00

00:40:05.000 New York Times, today. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Oh, you don't say.

00:40:17.000 It turns out that people crossing borders without being checked could spread disease.

00:40:22.000 You know who's been making that case for a long time?

00:40:23.000 Border hawks.

00:40:24.000 Many, many border hawks.

00:40:26.000 Reporting from Brussels, for Europe, the coronavirus could not have arrived at a worse time.

00:40:30.000 This was the year with Britain out, terrorism waning, and the migrant crisis at an ebb that the EU had hoped to repair and revive its cherished goal of open internal borders. 0.69

00:40:37.000 But cases of the virus have emerged nearly daily in new European countries, Spain, Greece, Croatia, France, Switzerland.

00:40:42.000 And on Wednesday in Germany, many of them can be traced back to Europe's largest outbreak in Italy, where more than 300 people are now infected.

00:40:48.000 As the cases spread and multiply, calls for closing borders have grown louder, most predictably from the far right and populists who are never fans of the bloc's open border policy.

00:40:56.000 So far, no country has taken that drastic step, but privately, European officials warn this could change quickly.

00:41:02.000 On Wednesday, the bloc's top official for communicable diseases said that Europe needed to prepare more broadly for the kind of crisis that is hit Northern Italy.

00:41:09.000 The official, Andrea Ammann, director of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control says, our current assessment is that we will likely see a similar situation in other countries in Europe.

00:41:17.000 We also need to consider the need to prepare for other scenarios, for example, large clusters elsewhere in Europe.

00:41:23.000 But!

00:41:25.000 That doesn't mean people aren't talking about shutting borders.

00:41:28.000 Some people like Dr. Claire Wenham of the London School of Economics Global Health Initiative.

00:41:31.000 She says travel restrictions don't work.

00:41:33.000 People find another way around it.

00:41:34.000 It might only slow the virus down.

00:41:35.000 Well, I mean, slowing viruses down is a good thing.

00:41:38.000 Last I checked.

00:41:40.000 But it is amusing to watch as the New York Times begins to recognize that open borders have costs.

00:41:45.000 Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren's like, let's open that border! 1.00

00:41:48.000 Solution to pandemics!

00:41:49.000 Open that border!

00:41:50.000 Open that border!

00:41:51.000 So, Democrats keep trying to blame Trump for coronavirus.

00:41:53.000 Trump's reaction should be measured, which of course is difficult, but he should react.

00:41:58.000 How he reacted to Pelosi is fine, by the way.

00:42:00.000 Him saying to the Democrats, you guys are trying to make hay out of political out of a non-political tragedy is really disgusting.

00:42:08.000 And we should all be on the same side on this one.

00:42:09.000 We're all doing our best, right?

00:42:11.000 That is how Trump should be responding to this.

00:42:12.000 And he should also be saying, yes, we take it seriously.

00:42:14.000 Yes, we are doing everything we can.

00:42:16.000 We don't know where this is going yet, but I promise you'll be the first to know as soon as we get information.

00:42:19.000 Radical transparency, all of that would be useful.

00:42:21.000 The Democrats, however, taking advantage of this by claiming that Trump is responsible for Trump virus. 1.00

00:42:26.000 This is because everyone is a complete and utter fool. 0.99

00:42:28.000 Okay, meanwhile, we are approaching the South Carolina primaries. 0.99

00:42:32.000 They're happening on Saturday.

00:42:34.000 And believe it or not, Joe Biden could creep back into this race.

00:42:37.000 He easily could creep back into this race. 0.98

00:42:38.000 So there are a couple of new polls that are out in South Carolina, and they are all showing Joe Biden up very, very big.

00:42:45.000 Like, not small, big.

00:42:46.000 Apparently there are two new polls.

00:42:48.000 They show Biden up by there's one from Monmouth today.

00:42:52.000 It shows Joe Biden up by 20 points, 20 points in South Carolina with Bernie Sanders running even with Tom Steyer, which means that Steyer could actually finish ahead of Sanders.

00:43:01.000 There's also an East Carolina University poll that came out yesterday showing Biden up eight over Sanders.

00:43:06.000 And Sanders again running within spitting distance of Tom Steyer.

00:43:09.000 And a public policy polling, it's a Democratic firm, a polling firm that found Biden up 15 points.

00:43:14.000 In the RealClearPolitics poll average, Biden is up 14 points.

00:43:18.000 If Biden wins by double digits, this race changes really dramatically.

00:43:21.000 It changes really dramatically in a hurry because the conventional wisdom, and I will admit, I had helped buy it.

00:43:26.000 Was that, as Joe Biden had collapsed in the first states, that his black support would start to collapse in South Carolina and you would see Bernie pull out, if not a victory, then a very narrow loss in South Carolina.

00:43:37.000 But that doesn't appear to be the way that the polls are going right now.

00:43:41.000 And that means that Super Tuesday all of a sudden looms very large.

00:43:44.000 Bill Sherr, who is an analyst for Real Clear News and Politico, he put forward a couple of different scenarios on the math.

00:43:51.000 In one scenario, he says Biden wins 40 to 25 in South Carolina over Bernie, and that translates to identical wins in the South on Super Tuesday, Alabama, Arkansas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Bernie beats him badly in California, Colorado, Maine, Utah, and Vermont.

00:44:07.000 He wins narrowly in Massachusetts over Warren, and he basically splits with Klobuchar in Minnesota.

00:44:13.000 In that scenario, The Super Tuesday plus South Carolina delegate count looks like this.

00:44:17.000 Sanders 679, Biden 642.

00:44:19.000 So basically a dead heat after Super Tuesday in that case.

00:44:24.000 Let's say that Biden wins 30-20 in South Carolina and then duplicates that sort of response in a variety of other states in the South.

00:44:32.000 Still, if Warren ends up picking up like 15% across these various states and ends up with 285 delegates, say, that means that Biden and Sanders end up within spitting distance of one another.

00:44:43.000 So that would be Biden staying within reach.

00:44:45.000 Now, if this turns into a two-candidate race, Sanders versus Biden, everything changes.

00:44:49.000 Everything changes radically because the Democratic Party does not want Bernie to be the nominee.

00:44:54.000 They don't want him to be the nominee.

00:44:56.000 They are recognizing more and more that Bernie as nominee is absolutely disastrous.

00:45:01.000 I mean, really disastrous.

00:45:02.000 They seem to be taking the position that Donnie Deutch took on MSNBC yesterday.

00:45:06.000 He said, there's no way that Sanders can beat Trump.

00:45:08.000 Like, this is just not a thing that's going to happen.

00:45:10.000 Clip 17.

00:45:11.000 Everybody gets up and talks about what an existential threat Trump is, and he is.

00:45:16.000 This is serious game time.

00:45:17.000 And these candidates, the candidates you mentioned, Bloomberg, really have to kind of look in the mirror and say, do I want to be a part of serving Bernie Sanders up, who I think has zero chance of beating Donald Trump?

00:45:29.000 We are at a moment in time.

00:45:30.000 Imagine Trump four more years.

00:45:32.000 Imagine, God forbid, Bernie on the ticket, and they take the House.

00:45:36.000 It's over.

00:45:37.000 Also, Democrats, two superdelegates, are looking at this and saying, if this thing ends up pretty close to dead even, we are not handing it to Bernie.

00:45:44.000 Article in the New York Times today, Democratic leaders willing to risk party damage to stop Bernie Sanders.

00:45:48.000 House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader, hear constant warnings from allies about congressional losses in November if the party nominates Bernie Sanders for president.

00:45:56.000 By the way, Michael Bloomberg has already said he is pulling all of his money from Bernie if Bernie is the nominee.

00:46:00.000 He will not give one thin dime to Bernie Sanders if Bernie is the nominee.

00:46:03.000 He'll give money down ballot, but Bernie's gonna hurt people down ballot.

00:46:07.000 Officials in the national and state parties are increasingly anxious about splintered primaries on Super Tuesday and beyond.

00:46:12.000 Dozens of interviews with Democratic establishment leaders this week show they are not just worried about Sanders' candidacy, but are also willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the national convention in July if they get the chance.

00:46:23.000 Since Sanders' victory in Nevada, the Times has interviewed 93 party officials and found overwhelming opposition to handing Bernie the nomination if he arrives with the most delegates but fell short of the majority, which could result in a brokered convention.

00:46:37.000 Jim Himes, Connecticut congressman and superdelegate, he says we're way, way, way past the date where party leaders can determine an outcome here.

00:46:43.000 But I think there's a vibrant conversation about whether there is anything that can be done.

00:46:48.000 Sanders continues to insist that he can win, but most Democrats do not think he can win.

00:46:52.000 Most of them think he's going to drag them down on the ballot.

00:46:55.000 And again, if Biden comes back, that may be enough of a story for Democrats to rally around Joe Biden.

00:47:01.000 Now, the big problem for Joe Biden is that he hasn't done any of the legwork in a lot of the Super Tuesday states.

00:47:04.000 At the same time, the New York Times is reporting that Biden has not actually spent any time in many of these southern states he's expected to win, places like Arkansas.

00:47:12.000 Michael John Gray, chairman of the Democratic Party of Arkansas, says Arkansas was, in my opinion, going to be a default Biden state.

00:47:17.000 He hasn't been here.

00:47:18.000 Of all the campaigns, the least organized in Arkansas is Biden.

00:47:21.000 Now, that may not make a difference.

00:47:22.000 Maybe none of these campaigns are spending an awful lot of time in these states.

00:47:25.000 But Biden's campaign has been lackluster.

00:47:26.000 His organization has been lackluster.

00:47:28.000 He thought he was just going to cruise to the nomination.

00:47:30.000 That obviously Has not been true.

00:47:33.000 The Biden campaign has been, has been lackluster in terms of the ground game.

00:47:38.000 Gilberto Hinojosa, the Democratic Party chairman in Texas, which is the second biggest delegate prize on Super Tuesday, he said, Bernie has a ground game because he has a ground game.

00:47:45.000 His whole campaign is grassroots.

00:47:47.000 Bloomberg has a funded ground game.

00:47:48.000 Elizabeth Warren has a ground game.

00:47:50.000 He says, I haven't seen anything other than the events he's had in Texas for Biden.

00:47:53.000 So Biden hasn't done all the hard work necessary in order to actually go get those delegates.

00:47:59.000 Now, maybe that changes after Super Tuesday.

00:48:01.000 Maybe he gets an infusion of cash if he somehow emerges alive from Super Tuesday, or if he blows everybody out in South Carolina.

00:48:08.000 Suffice to say, the race isn't quite over.

00:48:10.000 Biden does have a shot, but Biden has run a really lackluster campaign.

00:48:14.000 It's a mess for the Democrats.

00:48:15.000 It is an absolute mess for the Democrats.

00:48:16.000 Right now, over at 538, they've got their estimates on who is likely to win the nomination.

00:48:21.000 They've got no majority at now the largest chance, a one in two chance, 50% chance that there is no majority and you have an open convention.

00:48:28.000 They've got Bernie at about a 40% shot and they've got Biden at about a 1 in 8 shot at winning a majority of the delegates, which doesn't estimate the delegate leaders, right?

00:48:36.000 I mean, it could be that Biden ends up as the delegate leader and there's still no majority.

00:48:39.000 So it's a mess.

00:48:40.000 South Carolina is looming large, guys.

00:48:42.000 Saturday's gonna make a big, big difference.

00:48:44.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:48:48.000 So, things that I like today.

00:48:50.000 So, I do like clarity.

00:48:52.000 I'm a fan of clarity.

00:48:54.000 And it is incredible to me that Louis Farrakhan, who's been hobnobbed with by half the Democratic establishment.

00:48:59.000 I mean, literally half the Democratic establishment.

00:49:02.000 Bill Clinton is hobnobbed with Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:04.000 Barack Obama used to hobnob with Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:06.000 Half of the members of the Congressional Black Caucus have hobnobbed with Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:11.000 He doesn't hide the bald as Louis Farrakhan. 0.97

00:49:12.000 Not only is he a vicious anti-Semite, he also happens to be a terror supporter.

00:49:16.000 So, here is Louis Farrakhan, yesterday, calling Qasem Soleimani, a man responsible for the death of hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq, his brother.

00:49:24.000 This guy, Louis Farrakhan, you can't even get Linda Sarsour to denounce Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:27.000 You can't get.

00:49:28.000 Anybody, like, I'd love to hear Ilhan Omar denounce Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:32.000 You think she would do that? 0.90

00:49:33.000 I'll bet Bernie wouldn't denounce Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:34.000 Seriously, somebody should ask Bernie, proud Jew Bernie, about either him or his surrogates denouncing Louis Farrakhan.

00:49:39.000 But here's Louis Farrakhan just this week talking about how his brother was Qasem Soleimani.

00:49:44.000 Mr. Trump killed my brother, Qasem Soleimani, and you say that my brother is a terrorist.

00:49:59.000 And you got the power to define people.

00:50:06.000 You may not like me.

00:50:08.000 So you might call me a terrorist tomorrow to justify what the government is planning to do to me and the nation of Islam.

00:50:16.000 But I'm just inviting you.

00:50:19.000 Honestly, this guy is very open about exactly who he is.

00:50:23.000 And I very much look forward to the media asking serious questions of Bernie surrogates.

00:50:26.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:50:27.000 About what they think of Louis Farrakhan.

00:50:29.000 Imagine if every Republican member of Congress were hanging out with David Duke.

00:50:32.000 Okay, Louis Farrakhan is David Duke. 0.94

00:50:35.000 He's just awful. 1.00

00:50:36.000 He's an awful, awful human being. 0.99

00:50:38.000 But I don't think that Bernie will be asked about any of that sort of thing. 0.98

00:50:41.000 I don't think any of his surrogates will be asked about any of that sort of thing.

00:50:44.000 By the way, again, it is amazing.

00:50:46.000 We keep hearing from people in sort of the Bernie camp that Bernie is, in fact, not an actual socialist.

00:50:52.000 Like, this is the new line.

00:50:53.000 The new line is that now the Democrats are very focused on maintaining that Bernie is not who Bernie is.

00:50:58.000 So Bernie's been pretty clear about who he is.

00:51:00.000 Right now he's trying to lie a little bit.

00:51:01.000 Now he tries to say that socialist just means that I want everybody to have health care.

00:51:05.000 But that's obviously not what Bernie means.

00:51:07.000 I mean, Bernie used to be a lot clearer about this stuff back in his more honest mayor of Burlington days.

00:51:11.000 This is back in the 1980s, Bernie being asked if he's a capitalist and him saying, no, capitalism's terrible.

00:51:18.000 You're a capitalist.

00:51:19.000 No, I'm not a capitalist.

00:51:21.000 So you don't believe in the profit motive free enterprise?

00:51:23.000 If I have a better mousetrap, I make more money.

00:51:25.000 There's something to be said for free enterprise on a local level and the competition.

00:51:30.000 But what we're happening in our society is we don't live in a free enterprise society.

00:51:33.000 You live in a corporate capitalist society where in virtually every single industry, you have giant multi-billion dollar corporations competing, driving the small businessmen out.

00:51:42.000 So he's not in favor of any of this stuff.

00:51:44.000 He's on a local, maybe we will let a few local people, you know, compete to sell the eggs, but we are not going to allow national corporate, like, This is who he is.

00:51:52.000 This is who he is.

00:51:54.000 He's not hiding the ball.

00:51:55.000 Okay, but everybody else is going to try to hide the ball for him. 1.00

00:51:57.000 Al Sharpton, who's another disgusting human being. 0.96

00:52:00.000 Again, the fact that Al Sharpton has been allowed to trot around in the media. 0.96

00:52:03.000 I mean, the man has a show on MSNBC, and he was responsible, or at least involved in not one, but two race riots in New York City over the course of his career.

00:52:10.000 I don't know how many race riots you've been involved in.

00:52:12.000 For me, the answer is none.

00:52:13.000 For Al Sharpton, the answer is two.

00:52:16.000 Al Sharpton was comparing, yesterday in South Carolina, he compared Bernie Sanders to Martin Luther King because people opposed Martin Luther King and also they opposed Bernie Sanders' socialism.

00:52:30.000 The civil rights movement always was targeted by those that would use the red scale. 0.60

00:52:39.000 They accused Dr. King of being a communist.

00:52:43.000 Every major leader in the 60s they tried to call socialist or communist.

00:52:49.000 Whatever you decide to do on Saturday, Do not go by those that use the socialist tag to try to separate us from what we need to do for this country.

00:53:03.000 Don't try to use the socialist tag.

00:53:04.000 Bernie's like, um, I call myself a socialist.

00:53:06.000 I don't understand.

00:53:08.000 I'm the one saying it.

00:53:09.000 What's going on?

00:53:10.000 The retconning of Bernie Sanders is really entertaining.

00:53:13.000 It really is.

00:53:13.000 It's sort of like in The Rise of Skywalker, the Kennedy team, or J.J. Abrams at least, he decided that he was going to retcon The Last Jedi.

00:53:22.000 He was just going to make it that The Last Jedi never happened.

00:53:24.000 And then he was going to retcon the entire history of Star Wars where Leia had actually been trained as a Jedi, spoiler alert, and all of this stuff, right?

00:53:30.000 He retconned it.

00:53:31.000 Everybody's retconning Bernie now.

00:53:32.000 So Bernie has a very long history here. 0.79

00:53:35.000 A very long history of being awful.

00:53:38.000 And now we're retconning him.

00:53:39.000 He was never really a socialist.

00:53:41.000 He was really a free market guy.

00:53:42.000 He never really supported dictators.

00:53:44.000 He was really like just, he was against their authoritarianism.

00:53:46.000 He just liked their literacy programs, guys.

00:53:48.000 Bernie Sanders never attacks war heroes.

00:53:51.000 Here's CNN's Kirsten Powers saying that Trump is worse morally than Bernie because Bernie has never attacked war heroes.

00:53:56.000 Again, this is a full-on retconning.

00:53:58.000 Here's CNN's Kirsten Powers trying to defend Bernie. 1.00

00:54:01.000 That's crazy.

00:54:02.000 I mean, truly, I'm sorry, with all respect.

00:54:04.000 The idea that Bernie Sanders is some mirror image of Donald Trump's in terms of his lack of civility.

00:54:09.000 I mean, does Bernie Sanders attack war heroes?

00:54:11.000 Does Bernie Sanders attack the parents of war heroes?

00:54:14.000 Does Bernie Sanders troll people on Twitter every single day and make misogynist attacks against people, racist attacks? 0.99

00:54:22.000 I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous and we need to put this aside. 0.94

00:54:26.000 He doesn't attack, Sanders does not attack war heroes.

00:54:28.000 Do you understand that?

00:54:29.000 Quote.

00:54:30.000 From 1972, Bernie Sanders about American soldiers.

00:54:33.000 American soldiers.

00:54:35.000 U.S.

00:54:35.000 military action in Vietnam was, quote, almost as bad as what Hitler did.

00:54:39.000 Almost as bad as what Hitler did. 0.95

00:54:42.000 He also suggested that everybody who's fighting the Viet Cong, he said they were very, very poor people.

00:54:45.000 Some of them don't have shoes.

00:54:47.000 They eat rice when they can get it.

00:54:48.000 They've been fighting for the freedom of their country for 25 years and they can hardly fight back.

00:54:52.000 But don't worry, he has never slandered American war heroes.

00:54:55.000 Ever.

00:54:56.000 He's never done that.

00:54:57.000 Except for declaring that basically every American war action of the last 30 years is a human rights violation.

00:55:03.000 But other than that, he's a perfect moderate, guys.

00:55:05.000 Perfectly, perfectly moderate.

00:55:06.000 Again, the retconning of Bernie Sanders is going on apace.

00:55:10.000 We'll see how successful it is.

00:55:11.000 I don't think it's going to be particularly successful, and I think it's one of the reasons why Joe Biden has continued, at least in the last little while, it's why Joe Biden has continued to be a durable candidate, at least in South Carolina.

00:55:21.000 We'll see if it carries forward.

00:55:22.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:55:28.000 You remember there was this really wonderful moment, like everything good has to be ruined in America, that is the rule.

00:55:32.000 You remember there was this really wonderful moment, maybe a couple of years ago, where Pete Davidson on SNL, he made a joke about my friend Dan Crenshaw, representative from Texas, Congressman Crenshaw.

00:55:41.000 And Congressman Crenshaw's a Navy SEAL who lost his eye to an IED in Afghanistan.

00:55:46.000 And Crenshaw made some sort of dismissive joke about how Crenshaw looked like a pirate.

00:55:51.000 And then he said, well, you know, he probably just, I guess he, you know, got blown away by an IED or something, right?

00:55:56.000 Kind of dismissively suggested that.

00:55:58.000 And people got very offended because it turns out that when you insult the physical appearance of people who have been wounded in war, that's not a particularly popular viewpoint, right?

00:56:06.000 That's kind of an ugly thing to say.

00:56:07.000 Now, I don't think Davidson should have lost his job or been suspended over that.

00:56:10.000 He's a comedian.

00:56:11.000 Comedians say offensive things all the time.

00:56:12.000 I believe I said this at the time, but that doesn't mean that the comment wasn't gross.

00:56:15.000 I mean, it was gross.

00:56:17.000 Okay, so, Crenshaw... So Davidson apologized, and he brought Crenshaw on, and they had this kind of wonderful moment on SNL where Davidson talked about how, I think it was his father, had died on 9-11, and Crenshaw talked about how he had served after 9-11, and they had this sort of kumbaya moment where Crenshaw went on, and he made fun of Pete Davidson, And everybody came away thinking that Pete Davidson was a bigger man than when he had started.

00:56:39.000 Right?

00:56:39.000 That was the takeaway.

00:56:39.000 The takeaway was, Pete Davidson realized he had said something nasty, and he took the hit, and he did the right thing, and he invited Crenshaw on, and Crenshaw handled it with class, and Davidson handled it with class, and everybody felt pretty good about this.

00:56:50.000 Right?

00:56:51.000 Left, right, and center, you could feel good about this because Crenshaw had taken it like a man.

00:56:55.000 He'd taken the hit, he'd treated it with good humor, he hadn't acted insulted or whiny about it.

00:56:59.000 He'd just gone on there, made a few jokes, and then they'd basically hugged it out.

00:57:02.000 And Davidson had realized that he had said something offensive, and so he did what a responsible person should do, and he had basically just eaten it.

00:57:09.000 He had just taken the hit.

00:57:10.000 And it was a manly thing to do. 0.97

00:57:11.000 Well, now Pete Davidson, being apparently not a very manly sort of fellow, he's now coming back two years later with the jerk store response. 0.92

00:57:18.000 He's very upset. 0.68

00:57:19.000 He says, I never should have made Dan Crenshaw famous because it was my fault, never should have made Crenshaw famous, never should have apologized, just should have owned it.

00:57:26.000 Now, is there a purpose to this?

00:57:28.000 Is there a purpose to this?

00:57:29.000 The answer is, there is no purpose to this other than Davidson trying to buy back his leftist bona fides.

00:57:34.000 It's Davidson trying to now get back in the good graces of a vicious left that is fine with making fun of war heroes, contra Kirsten Powers of CNN.

00:57:43.000 Here is Pete Davidson in his comedy routine talking about how bad it was that he made Dan Crenshaw famous.

00:57:52.000 I said whatever and people were like, you hate America!

00:57:56.000 Like, no! 0.98

00:57:57.000 I just didn't want to be incorrect about how he lost his f***ing eye. 0.98

00:57:59.000 Is that a f***ing crime? 0.98

00:58:01.000 He could've lost his eye in war or whatever. 0.98

00:58:03.000 I don't know how he lost his eye.

00:58:04.000 It could've been in Afghanistan.

00:58:05.000 Could've been making a sandwich. 0.59

00:58:06.000 I have no f***ing idea. 0.75

00:58:08.000 I did not... I did not do anything for that guy.

00:58:10.000 The only thing I did do, which I am guilty of and I apologize for, is I did make that guy famous and a household name for no reason, right?

00:58:18.000 I did what, like, Ariana Grande did for me, right?

00:58:21.000 It's a funny line about him and Ariana Grande, but at the same time, the line that he made Crenshaw famous for no reason and that he never should have done any of this, I understand it's a comedy routine.

00:58:33.000 I'm not going to get offended by his comedy routine.

00:58:35.000 His comedy routine is supposed to break barriers and all this, but I assume he actually means this.

00:58:39.000 If he actually means this and it's not just part of his comedy routine, buying it back, then it's a pretty nasty thing to do, right?

00:58:45.000 I mean, like, again, we had this nice bipartisan—can't we just have nice things?

00:58:48.000 Like, a nice thing.

00:58:49.000 Like, a nice bipartisan moment where you realize you made a mistake and that it was kind of offensive, and then you backed off it.

00:58:53.000 Nobody thought the worst of Pete Davidson.

00:58:55.000 I thought much better of Pete Davidson in the aftermath.

00:58:57.000 And by the way, I didn't think that Pete Davidson was, like, the worst guy in the world for making the Dan Crenshaw joke in the first place.

00:59:02.000 I thought it was just dumb, and I thought that it betrayed a certain level of—of Carelessness about how you speak of people who are wounded in war, but at the same time, like, him now trying to buy that back and say, oh, well, I never should have done that.

00:59:13.000 I made Crenshaw famous. 0.95

00:59:15.000 Just be nice.

00:59:16.000 Just be nice!

00:59:17.000 Like, especially because you've already done it.

00:59:20.000 You don't have to be nice in the first place, but once you've been nice, buying back the niceness is not a really great trade.

00:59:24.000 Once you've done a nice thing, it's like you give your wife a gift, and then the next day, and she's really happy about it, like, you make a mistake, and you bring your wife flowers, and the next day, for no reason at all, you're like, you know what, honey?

00:59:34.000 And you just pick up the flowers and you trash them.

00:59:37.000 You're like, take that!

00:59:38.000 I never should have given you those flowers in the front! 1.00

00:59:40.000 Well, now you've reopened this thing.

00:59:41.000 Now you've done it again, dude.

00:59:43.000 And maybe you need the controversy to sell your comedy special or whatever.

00:59:46.000 But wouldn't it be nice if we could just let nice things be left alone?

00:59:50.000 And that thing ended nicely and you bought it back.

00:59:52.000 It's amazing.

00:59:52.000 Alrighty, well, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - February 27, 2020

Putting the Panic in Pandemic | Ep. 962

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