The Ben Shapiro Show - Real Terror, Fake News | Ep. 365

00:00:00.000 A major terrorist attack in Barcelona, the president reacts, the media overreacts, and we talk about nothing but Confederate statues all the time forever.

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:15.000 All right, so I have a lot to get to today, as always.

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00:01:38.000 Okay, so.

00:02:03.000 Lots to get to.

00:02:04.000 Obviously, the biggest story of the day is not what the media are saying is the biggest story of the day.

00:02:08.000 The media want to focus on Confederate monuments, statues that have been up for 50 years or 20 years or 150 years.

00:02:15.000 But the real issue yesterday is that there was a major terrorist attack in Barcelona.

00:02:19.000 For people who missed it, this was a major ISIS-planned cell, apparently.

00:02:24.000 According to CNN, the perpetrators of the terror attacks in Barcelona and Cambrils originally planned to use explosive devices to wreak greater devastation, but were apparently thwarted because their materials detonated prematurely, police said Friday.

00:02:36.000 A house in Alcanar, south of Barcelona, was destroyed in a blast on Wednesday night, hours before one attacker mowed down dozens of people in the heart of Barcelona, killing 13.

00:02:44.000 A group of five attackers then drove into pedestrians in the town of Cambrils, killing one in the early hours of Friday.

00:02:51.000 Catalan police chief Jose Luis Trapero told reporters explosives were found in the Alcanar property and the police are working on the hypothesis that these attacks were being prepared in that house.

00:03:01.000 The revelations pointed to an alarming conclusion that authorities knew nothing of an advanced plot to mount a spectacular terror attack until an accidental explosion at the perpetrator's base.

00:03:10.000 And despite the eye-catching setback, the terrorist cells still managed to carry out two further improvised attacks without impediment.

00:03:17.000 So four people have been arrested, one of them in Alcanar 3 in Ripoll,

00:03:21.000 Three were Moroccan citizens, another was Spanish.

00:03:23.000 They ranged in age from 21 to 34.

00:03:26.000 None was on the radar for terrorism.

00:03:27.000 All were apparently Muslim.

00:03:29.000 Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy labeled the Barcelona attack jihadi terrorism, which is a perfect description. 1.00

00:03:35.000 Rajoy's government has declared three days of mourning across Spain.

00:03:38.000 The ISIS media wing has said that the Barcelona attackers were soldiers of ISIS, but stopped short of saying

00:03:44.000 That they took responsibility for the attack, probably because it was a botched attack.

00:03:47.000 So naturally, this would demand a unified response from the West, right?

00:03:51.000 This would be the time when you expect the West to renew its determination to stamp out ISIS, to signal solidarity.

00:03:58.000 And President Trump actually tried to do that initially.

00:04:01.000 President Trump initially goes on Twitter, and he says that he is going to stand with the people of Barcelona, the people of Spain, and we all have to stand together.

00:04:08.000 And then he tweets out,

00:04:11.000 He tweets out, This is the problem with Trump's run-on mouth. 0.99

00:04:21.000 This is the problem with a brain that has no filter.

00:04:24.000 What he just did is he polarized the response. 1.00

00:04:26.000 So instead of everybody being unified, ISIS bad, let's kill them all. 1.00

00:04:29.000 Instead, in this tweet, he endorses fictitious history, 0.99

00:04:33.000 He endorses a fictitious history that includes a war crime and he slanders General Pershing.

00:04:37.000 Because what is he exactly talking about?

00:04:39.000 What Trump is actually talking about here is a legend wherein supposedly General Pershing, Trump has told this story before, he said that Pershing was a rough guy and during the moral rebellion in the Philippines from 1899 to 1913, Pershing served as governor between 1909 and 1913.

00:04:54.000 Pershing quote caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage

00:04:59.000 Okay, so that didn't actually happen.

00:05:00.000 Now, 0.87

00:05:17.000 To be fair to President Trump, General Pershing apparently at one diplomatic meeting brought the head of a pig. 0.85

00:05:22.000 Apparently the Moros were very, very upset with pork.

00:05:26.000 And apparently there were reports that there were members of the American Counterterrorism Unit who had taken terrorists and wrapped them in pigskins and buried them, or buried them with pigs.

00:05:42.000 So, what this did is it allowed the media to escape the broader issue, which is radical Islamic terror, and the media, of course, did this.

00:05:51.000 The media were looking for an excuse not to talk about jihadi terror so they could stay on Trump, so they could stay on what happened in Charlottesville instead of swiveling

00:06:00.000 To cover what is a significantly more deadly terror attack in Spain.

00:06:05.000 This is not to make light of what happened in Charlottesville at all, but just in pure numbers terms, what happened in Spain is a significantly more serious terror attack than what happened in Charlottesville.

00:06:15.000 But the media spent all day yesterday continuing to talk about Charlottesville and talking about this tweet, which is what they wanted to do.

00:06:21.000 In fact, Wolf Blitzer

00:06:22.000 Those shared tactics.

00:06:23.000 It should be alarming.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, and there will be questions about copycats.

00:06:41.000 There will be questions if what happened in Barcelona was at all, at all, a copycat version of what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia, even though there may be different characters, different political ambitions.

00:06:55.000 Uh, they use the same, uh, the same killing device, a vehicle going at high speed into a group, a large group of pedestrians.

00:07:04.000 And as the local police are saying, at least one person is now dead.

00:07:07.000 The media will do anything in order to avoid talking about the spate of jihadi terror.

00:07:11.000 And it has been truck terror, right?

00:07:12.000 We've had that in Nice.

00:07:13.000 We had that in Berlin with the attack on the Christmas market in Berlin.

00:07:16.000 In Jerusalem, we've had this multiple times.

00:07:18.000 People using trucks as ramming vehicles in order to murder people.

00:07:21.000 But Wolf Blitzer's first instinct is to try and connect this back to Charlottesville, because the media would like to continue talking about Charlottesville. 0.98

00:07:28.000 And that's just asinine, okay? 1.00

00:07:31.000 The general, the general perishing comments from Trump are stupid, they're a waste of time, they're a waste of effort, they undermine our ability to get along with some of our Muslim allies. 1.00

00:07:42.000 You know, none of this is good. 1.00

00:07:43.000 But to suggest that it has anything to do with Charlottesville, or that that's the main issue here,

00:07:48.000 Trump, the one thing you can say about Trump, and he certainly has done this, he has unleashed the military against ISIS.

00:07:53.000 The one-third of all territory taken against ISIS over the last seven, eight years has been during the Trump administration.

00:07:59.000 Trump has utterly untied the hands of the military in the fight against ISIS, and it's been actually creating some significant results. 0.98

00:08:06.000 To focus in on Trump's stupid tweet or to focus in on Charlottesville in the aftermath of this attack just demonstrates where the media want to put their attention. 0.99

00:08:15.000 It's obvious where the media wants to put their attention. 1.00

00:08:17.000 It's amazing.

00:08:18.000 If you think about what happened in Charlottesville, there should be a spate of propositions that everyone of good heart and good mind can agree on.

00:08:25.000 These are very basic propositions.

00:08:27.000 Neo-Nazis, bad. 0.99

00:08:28.000 White supremacism, bad. 1.00

00:08:31.000 Alt-right, white nationalism, bad. 0.99

00:08:34.000 Right?

00:08:34.000 All those things bad.

00:08:35.000 Communism, bad.

00:08:37.000 Anarchism, bad.

00:08:39.000 Violence at non-violent rallies, bad.

00:08:42.000 Right?

00:08:42.000 All these things I think we should all be able to agree on.

00:08:44.000 These are not difficult.

00:08:45.000 And yet somehow, we've turned this into a polarized political debate.

00:08:49.000 I think that if you would just describe the things I just said, I think you'd get 95% of Americans to agree on those things.

00:08:55.000 Communism bad does not seem particularly controversial to me.

00:08:58.000 Antifa, starting violence at particular rallies all across the country.

00:09:03.000 A bad thing.

00:09:03.000 That's not whataboutism, that's just a fact.

00:09:06.000 Whataboutism would suggest that I'm saying that it's okay for the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville to do what they did.

00:09:10.000 I'm not saying that at all.

00:09:12.000 In fact, I've been probably the harshest or one of the harshest condemners of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville and the alt-right overall. 0.91

00:09:21.000 White supremacism, bad. 0.73

00:09:22.000 I think that 95% of Americans agree with that general proposition.

00:09:26.000 And yet somehow this has turned into a polarized political debate.

00:09:29.000 And it's turned into a polarized political debate because all of the actors want it to be a polarized political debate.

00:09:33.000 The left want to proclaim that there are a bunch of people out there who are racist because American society is racist.

00:09:39.000 Trump wants to claim that the entire left wants America to be called racist so that he can fight back against this, right?

00:09:45.000 Steve Bannon said this clearly, okay?

00:09:46.000 This is not conjecture.

00:09:48.000 Steve Bannon said this in an interview at the New York Times.

00:09:50.000 Please, let the left continue to engage in identity politics, and that's only going to help us.

00:09:55.000 Let them talk about tearing down Confederate statues.

00:09:57.000 That's only going to help us.

00:09:58.000 The left thinks it's winning the Confederate statue argument.

00:10:00.000 The right thinks it's winning the Confederate statue argument.

00:10:02.000 Trump thinks he's winning the Confederate statue argument.

00:10:04.000 And meanwhile, the broad agreement that most of us have on these issues is gone.

00:10:08.000 The broad agreement is gone.

00:10:09.000 Even on Confederate statues, I think there's broad agreement that people in New York don't have a lot to say about Confederate statues in South Carolina, and if the elected mayor of Charlottesville decides that he wants to remove a Robert E. Lee statue, he's an elected mayor, that's his responsibility, he can do that.

00:10:25.000 I may disagree with the decision, but I really don't have a lot to say in that particular decision.

00:10:29.000 I believe in localism, particularly when it comes to cultural historical issues like this one.

00:10:34.000 I think there's broad agreement on all of this, but you can see that there's an attempt to polarize the country.

00:10:40.000 The left wants people to believe that America is a deeply racist place, and so what they're attempting to say is that anyone who wants to keep

00:10:45.000 The Confederate statues up must be a racist.

00:10:47.000 I was on CNN last night with Don Lemon and a couple of other folks, including Keith Boykin, who's a Democratic strategist. 0.73

00:10:53.000 And Keith Boykin openly said anyone who wants to keep the statues up of Confederate memorials is a racist or is a white supremacist.

00:11:02.000 Don Lemon verged on that and I actually called him out on it.

00:11:04.000 I questioned him on it and he backed off of it.

00:11:06.000 But this is one of the things that's really nasty.

00:11:08.000 And then on the Trump side you have a bunch of people like Pat Buchanan who are out there almost overtly declaring support for white supremacism because they think they have to do that in order to fight the left or because they actually believe it.

00:11:19.000 And we'll get to all of this in just a second.

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00:12:31.000 Okay, so.

00:12:33.000 Speaking of leftist overreaction again, the left always has to overstep.

00:12:36.000 It's so funny, whenever the left does something bad, like whenever there's a leftist who shoots up a bunch of congresspeople and it's out of the news in three days because the media don't want to talk about it anymore, then what they do is they accuse the right of overreach.

00:12:48.000 Oh, the right's overreaching.

00:12:49.000 Oh, the right is speaking too much about this.

00:12:52.000 In Barcelona attacks, you'll have President Trump say something about perishing, and all of the media coverage will be about the perishing comments, not about the actual terror attack.

00:13:00.000 Well, the left is really, they are the kings and queens of overreaction.

00:13:04.000 I mean, they really are amazing at this.

00:13:05.000 So, for example, New York's subway system.

00:13:09.000 Again, I don't know what any of this has to do with what just happened in Charlottesville, but there are a bunch of tiles in the New York subway system that look kind of like a Confederate flag.

00:13:18.000 They look kind of like a Confederate flag.

00:13:19.000 This is what they look like.

00:13:20.000 And there's a debate over what this was supposed to be.

00:13:23.000 One side says that there was a New York Times editor who's from the South, and so when they built this particular subway station,

00:13:29.000 They put the symbol in there as an homage to the person who was from the New York Times.

00:13:36.000 The MTA says it's not about a confederate flag at all.

00:13:39.000 It was supposed to be the crossroads of the world.

00:13:42.000 Whatever it is, it kind of looks like a confederate flag.

00:13:44.000 Now, is Richard Spencer, like, marching around there in a torchlight parade?

00:13:48.000 Are we gonna get Chris Cantwell rallying down there for the frickin' subway tiles? 0.97

00:13:54.000 Like, the biggest problem in New York right now is that the subway system sucks, okay? 0.94

00:13:57.000 They've been running late, a lot of the subways are broken, it smells like urine all the time, and now they're worried about, what is this?

00:14:03.000 There's got to be about 25 tiles.

00:14:05.000 I mean, it's about 25 tiles in a subway station.

00:14:07.000 And this is what they're deeply concerned about, is getting rid of these subway tiles.

00:14:11.000 Again, the overreaction is astonishing.

00:14:14.000 The overreach by the left is astonishing.

00:14:17.000 You're seeing it to the extreme. 0.52

00:14:18.000 A Democratic lawmaker from Missouri, she actually posted on her Facebook page that she hoped that Trump would die.

00:14:25.000 Right?

00:14:25.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:14:27.000 So there's this

00:14:29.000 Yeah, this lady posted to Facebook that she hoped that Trump would be assassinated, right? 0.98

00:14:34.000 So this guy said, damn now, I'll probably get a visit from the Secret Service. 0.98

00:14:37.000 He said, I wonder what my cousin is thinking now. 0.98

00:14:39.000 He's on Trump's Secret Service detail.

00:14:40.000 He'd have to sign up for six years. 1.00

00:14:41.000 He did his first four with Obama and has two to go with this idiot. 1.00

00:14:44.000 But what I believe, posted earlier, I believe will happen sooner, not later. 0.99

00:14:47.000 And Maria Chappelle Nadal, who is a state legislator in Missouri, she posted back, no, I will. 0.98

00:14:55.000 I hope Trump is assassinated. 1.00

00:14:57.000 I hope Trump is assassinated. 1.00

00:14:59.000 Now, should she lose her job over that? 1.00

00:15:01.000 Yes, she should.

00:15:02.000 Okay, you should lose your job over that when you are an elected official and you hope for the assassination of your political opponents, then you should lose your job over that.

00:15:09.000 Imagine if the situation reversed and it had been some Republican legislator saying that about Obama.

00:15:14.000 How fast would his job be gone?

00:15:16.000 Almost immediately.

00:15:17.000 Well, no.

00:15:17.000 It seems to me that this is a pretty important thing to be talking about.

00:15:19.000 The leftist embrace of violence.

00:15:20.000 The leftist overreaction and embrace of violence.

00:15:37.000 is a dangerous thing.

00:15:37.000 It's an actual dangerous thing.

00:15:39.000 Michael Eric Dyson, who is on the news all the time, professor, I believe, at Georgetown, and Michael Eric Dyson, he comes out and he openly endorses Antifa, which is a violent far-left group that has engaged in violence against normal citizens in places ranging from Sacramento to Seattle to Portland.

00:15:56.000 Here's Michael Eric Dyson saying Antifa is wonderful now.

00:15:59.000 The people that we claim, Black Lives Matter, the Antifa movement and so on,

00:16:06.000 Mr. Miller says again that there was violence there but the problem is to equate the violence in reaction against bigotry with the bigotry itself is to misunderstand the fact that when you go to cancer treatment the radiation is tough treatment but it is meant to remove the cancer.

00:16:25.000 So what he fails to understand and what the president especially fails to understand is that you are complicit with the worst currents of bigotry in this country when you try to draw a false equivalence between secessionists and racists and confederate defenders and bigots and neo-nazis and African-American and white people and others who have defended the right of this nation to really seek a path

00:16:50.000 Okay, I get it.

00:16:51.000 So what he says there is so wrong.

00:16:52.000 When he says the way to fight cancer is with radiation? 0.92

00:16:56.000 Okay, I agree that the alt-right is a cancer. 1.00

00:16:59.000 I agree that white supremacism is a cancer. 1.00

00:17:01.000 But it's not a cancer that's going to require surgery. 1.00

00:17:03.000 It's not a cancer that kills the patient.

00:17:05.000 It really isn't.

00:17:06.000 I mean, it's a very minute group of people who are awful and evil, but you don't actually get to act in violence against them.

00:17:13.000 Saying they're a cancer in sort of a generic, they're a harm to the body politic sense, that's true, but if you're saying they're deadly, that's not true, okay? 0.98

00:17:23.000 If you're saying that they are actually out there killing people, then you'll have to point me to the ones who are actually out there killing people, and then I would say, let's let the police kill them. 0.99

00:17:32.000 You need Antifa out there beating the crap out of them with clubs and sticks. 1.00

00:17:35.000 And this is a problem because if you have, I mean I've been talking about this all week, if you have a violent movement on the left that's being justified by the mainstream left in response to the alt-right, and the alt-right is not actually acting violently at these rallies, then you got a problem on your hands.

00:17:48.000 Okay, and if the alt-right is acting violently, that's why we have police in this country.

00:17:51.000 We don't need groups of armed people going around beating each other up.

00:17:55.000 It's not good for the country, but the left is embracing all of this, and it's really amazing how the left's overreach is actually making Trump appear better. 0.99

00:18:03.000 The left's overreach, again, they're so stupid, the people on the far left, that they don't understand that if they would just tell the truth about what happened this week, they would win. 0.99

00:18:12.000 Instead, they have to go 1.00

00:18:14.000 10 degrees further than that.

00:18:15.000 They have to go exponential in a situation that requires a solid and a proportionate response.

00:18:25.000 The covers from The Economist and The New Yorker are not going to be helpful to the left cause either.

00:18:28.000 So The New Yorker has a cover of Trump on a boat blowing into the sail and the sail looks like a Ku Klux Klan hat and The Economist has a cover of Trump shouting into a KKK hood

00:18:42.000 That looks like a loudspeaker.

00:18:45.000 This sort of thing is just going to lead a lot of Trump supporters to think that he's being unfairly maligned since Trump did in fact actually condemn the KKK.

00:18:53.000 I mean that's one of the things he actually did do during his Tuesday crazy press conference.

00:19:00.000 He did a lot of other things that I thought were terrible but he did say that he condemns the KKK.

00:19:04.000 We're good to go.

00:19:22.000 Richard Spencer and the alt-right and the Unite the Right rally decided to rally around Robert E. Lee statues.

00:19:27.000 So now we're going to have a big, broad, national conversation about Confederate statues.

00:19:32.000 And Donald Trump said that we ought to think about whether there's a limiting principle, basically.

00:19:38.000 We ought to think whether the people who want to get rid of the Lee statues also want to get rid of the Washington statues.

00:19:42.000 And people on the left went, no, that's crazy.

00:19:43.000 That's not true.

00:19:44.000 Keith Boykin said that to me last night on CNN.

00:19:46.000 He says, no, I think that there's a distinction between Lee statues and Washington statues.

00:19:50.000 I fully agree, by the way, but CNN's Angela Rye did not, and I called her out last night on CNN for saying this.

00:19:56.000 She was fully on board with the idea that Washington and Jefferson statues have to come down.

00:20:00.000 American history is not all glorious, and even though I love John to death, I couldn't disagree more about George Washington.

00:20:07.000 George Washington was a slave owner, and we need to call slave owners out for what they are. 0.93

00:20:11.000 Whether we think they were protecting American freedom or not, he wasn't protecting my freedom.

00:20:16.000 I don't know.

00:20:31.000 I'm not getting into white supremacy.

00:20:32.000 I'm calling out white supremacy for what it is.

00:20:34.000 And sometimes what it is, John, are blind spots. 0.86

00:20:38.000 Sometimes what it is is not acknowledging that this country was built upon a very violent past that resulted in death and the raping and the killing of my ancestors.

00:20:47.000 So I'm not going to, I'm not going to allow us to say that it's okay for a Robert E. Lee, but not a George Washington.

00:20:53.000 We need to call it what it is.

00:20:54.000 So Trump said that and Trump was right. 1.00

00:20:55.000 Okay.

00:20:55.000 There is a portion of the hard left that wants all of those statues to come down.

00:20:59.000 Al Sharpton, an absolute disgusting race-baiting anti-Semite, he said the same thing yesterday about the Jefferson Memorial, like Al Sharpton gets to be the judge of bad symbolism. 0.87

00:21:07.000 Al Sharpton was involved in incitement of riots in 1991 in Crown Heights ending with the murder of an Orthodox Jew. 0.95

00:21:13.000 He was involved in the Freddy's Fashion Mart debacle later that decade in which a bunch of people were killed after somebody set fire to a store that Al Sharpton was railing about.

00:21:21.000 That guy had attended an Al Sharpton rally where he was railing about

00:21:24.000 White interlopers in the inner city. 0.97

00:21:27.000 Al Sharpton, nonetheless, here he is saying that Thomas Jefferson, he says that we should blow up the Jefferson Memorial. 0.99

00:21:32.000 I mean, this is crazy.

00:21:33.000 This is not some kind of removed discussion from us.

00:21:37.000 Our families were victims of this.

00:21:40.000 Certainly it ought to be removed.

00:21:41.000 So therefore everybody associated with slavery in terms of any public monument to them.

00:21:48.000 When you look at the fact that public monuments are supported by public funds, you're asking me to subsidize the insult of my family.

00:21:56.000 Then I repeat Thomas Jefferson had slaves.

00:21:58.000 And I would repeat that the public should not be paying to uphold somebody who has had that kind of background.

00:22:06.000 Okay, so there he is.

00:22:08.000 Again, the left's overreach here is actually driving people into the arms of the right, into the arms of people who I think are pretty gross, like Pat Buchanan. 0.94

00:22:15.000 Pat Buchanan has been a quasi-closeted white supremacist for a long time. 0.95

00:22:20.000 He's been an anti-Semite for a long time.

00:22:22.000 In 2005, he suggested the West should never have gone to war with Hitler.

00:22:25.000 In 2006, he wrote the foreword to a book by an actual white supremacist named Sam Francis.

00:22:30.000 His magazine, The American Conservative, he co-founded with a guy named

00:22:33.000 Taki Theodorakopoulos, who called himself a soi-disant anti-Semite.

00:22:37.000 William F. Buckley said that Buchanan's views were anti-Semitic.

00:22:40.000 Well today, Buchanan has a full-on column, basically the mirror image of what you saw from Angela Rye there on CNN.

00:22:48.000 Right, the mirror image.

00:22:50.000 So, Angela Rice says that Washington can't be distinguished from Lee, and then Pat Buchanan says the same thing.

00:22:56.000 He says Washington can't be distinguished from Lee, and that's why we should leave the Lee statues up, because white supremacism is actually not a horrible thing.

00:23:04.000 White supremacism is not an actual horrible thing.

00:23:05.000 So, let me give you a portion from this column, because I think that it demonstrates

00:23:11.000 The way that the radical left and the radical right, you know, Pat Buchanan, the paleoconservative right, and not all paleoconservatives are Buchananites, but Buchanan's wing of the Republican Party, how they have a common view of American history that are just

00:23:26.000 Basically the photo negatives of one another.

00:23:28.000 So Angela Rice says it's a white supremacist history so it's bad, and Buchanan says it's a white supremacist history so it's good. 0.91

00:23:34.000 This is actually from his column today, his syndicated column. 0.81

00:23:36.000 Another term applied to the Unite the Right gathering in Charlottesville is that they are white supremacists, a mortal sin to modernity. 0.80

00:23:42.000 But here we encounter an even greater problem. 0.84

00:23:44.000 Looking back over the history of a Western civilization, which we call great, were not the explorers who came out of Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, and England all white supremacists?

00:23:52.000 They conquered, in the name of the mother countries, all the land they discovered, imposed their rules upon indigenous peoples, and vanquished and eradicated the native-born who stood in their way. 1.00

00:24:00.000 He's saying all this is good because Western civilization spread, but it did so in the name of white supremacy. 0.65

00:24:04.000 There's only one problem.

00:24:05.000 That's not true.

00:24:06.000 Okay, if you recall a little bit about your history books, Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, and England were all at war with one another for several hundred years here.

00:24:13.000 So all the white people were fighting each other too.

00:24:14.000 So this idea that they had this kind of common white supremacist attitude is not really true.

00:24:20.000 And even if they were white supremacists in the sense that they thought they were superior, you know, white man's burden, Rudyard Kipling, imperialists, even if they thought that, you know, even if they believed that the white man's burden had to do with white skin,

00:24:32.000 That would be them mistaking the spread of Western Civilization for the spread of their own race.

00:24:37.000 That would be a mistake on their part.

00:24:39.000 That would be attributing the quality of the spread of Western Civilization to the color of skin, which makes no historic sense.

00:24:45.000 There were white people in Europe going thousands of years back before Western Civilization was ever a thing. 0.90

00:24:52.000 After the fall of the Roman Empire, there were white people all over Europe who had nothing to do with Western Civilization and who were barbarians. 0.99

00:25:01.000 Before Rome came to Britain, Britain was white. 0.94

00:25:03.000 It didn't matter. 0.94

00:25:03.000 It was a bunch of barbarians. 0.94

00:25:05.000 I mean, so this idea that it's not culture, but it's skin color is really weird.

00:25:08.000 Also, how do you separate the skin color?

00:25:10.000 The Caucasus are full of people from various ethnicities, and a lot of them are not living lifestyles or have not lived historically lifestyles that were embedded with Western culture.

00:25:21.000 That's been true for a long time.

00:25:23.000 But here is Pat Buchanan.

00:25:38.000 And then he says, Nor is a belief in the superiority of one's race, religion, tribe, and culture unique to the West.

00:25:43.000 What is unique, what is an experiment without precedent, is what we are about today.

00:25:46.000 We have condemned and renounced the scarlet sins of the men who made America, and embraced diversity, inclusivity, and equality.

00:25:52.000 Our new America is the land where all races, tribes, creeds, and cultures congregate.

00:25:56.000 All are treated equally, and all move ever closer to an equality of results through the regular redistribution of opportunity, wealth, and power.

00:26:02.000 We are going to become the first universal nation.

00:26:04.000 All men are created equal is an ideological statement.

00:26:07.000 Where is the scientific or historic proof for it?

00:26:10.000 Are we building our utopia on a sandpile of ideology and hope?

00:26:14.000 So notice the conflation that Buchanan makes here.

00:26:18.000 All men are created equal.

00:26:20.000 It was an ideological statement.

00:26:22.000 It's also something that the Founders considered self-evident.

00:26:24.000 What it meant was, man is made in God's image and has inalienable rights.

00:26:27.000 That's the next phrase of the Declaration.

00:26:30.000 The Founders did not mean that all people have equal qualities.

00:26:32.000 That, of course, is not true.

00:26:34.000 But they meant that all human beings are capable of achieving freedom.

00:26:38.000 They didn't mean culture doesn't matter.

00:26:39.000 The Founders obviously didn't believe that.

00:26:41.000 But they did believe, and that's what the principle that was enshrined in the Declaration says, that all human beings are created with equal value in God's eyes, and that means that they have equal rights in the eyes of the government, or they should have equal rights in the eyes of the government.

00:26:55.000 But Buchanan conflates that argument with the argument that the left makes, which is that all people ought to have equal outcome.

00:27:01.000 And then he says, a pox on both your houses, basically.

00:27:03.000 White people built civilization, and if white people begin to fade, then civilization will begin to fade as well. 0.97

00:27:09.000 Okay, so he is basically taking the flip side of the racist argument made by Angela Rye, which is that America is based in racism, and that's why it's evil, and it's inherently in the DNA, and Buchanan says racism is in our DNA, and therefore it's basically good.

00:27:22.000 Okay, that is really not good stuff.

00:27:25.000 That is really not good stuff, and this is how you see the polarization.

00:27:27.000 taking place.

00:27:28.000 It's a real negative.

00:27:30.000 Now there is some breaking news that I want to talk about.

00:27:34.000 Apparently Steve Bannon is out.

00:27:35.000 This is what Drudge is now reporting.

00:27:37.000 Steve Bannon is out at the White House.

00:27:39.000 So my former boss over at Breitbart News.

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00:29:08.000 All right, so Steve Bannon is out at the White House.

00:29:11.000 This is the news, the breaking news from the Drudge Report.

00:29:14.000 And Drudge should know because, you know, Drudge is very tapped into the administration.

00:29:19.000 So here is the question.

00:29:20.000 What led to this, and why now, and what's it going to mean?

00:29:24.000 Why now is because Steve blew himself up.

00:29:27.000 So in the last few months, Bannon has been marginalized by people ranging from Jared and Ivanka to General John Kelly.

00:29:33.000 Kelly obviously didn't like Bannon, thought Bannon was a nefarious force in the White House.

00:29:37.000 In the last week, Bannon has been the guy at Trump's elbow, kind of urging him to not disassociate from the alt-right and to engage with the alt-right over Charlottesville.

00:29:48.000 And then he came out and he did a really kind of incredible interview with a magazine called the American Prospect, a lefty magazine called the American Prospect, in which he ripped on Trump's North Korean policy, talked about globalists like Gary Cohn, what he calls globalists like Gary Cohn, ripped him by name, and also suggested that he was going to get rid of all of his enemies in the State Department, undermine our foreign policy,

00:30:15.000 It was a really bad interview, and it put Trump in a very awkward position.

00:30:19.000 A lot of people have been calling for Bannon's ouster because of his closeness to the alt-right.

00:30:23.000 I've said for a year that Bannon's closeness to the alt-right never should have been brought into the campaign.

00:30:27.000 I mean, I wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post August 18th, I think literally one year ago today, saying exactly this, that this is a problem for Trump.

00:30:36.000 So Trump is getting rid of him, probably because Kelly wants to get rid of him, not necessarily because Trump cares.

00:30:40.000 Trump also thinks he's a leaker.

00:30:41.000 Trump thinks that Bannon talks to the media a lot, which is true.

00:30:44.000 But the fact that Bannon is gone could lead to a new and kind of shocking division inside the conservative movement.

00:30:52.000 Remember, Bannon is only really well-liked among a particular alt-right populist faction.

00:30:58.000 We're good to go.

00:31:12.000 Turned into Trump Pravda.

00:31:13.000 They turned into an outlet that did nothing but cheerlead Trump, and that was under Bannon's auspices, because Bannon was working with Trump at the time, sort of behind the scenes, and then obviously became one of his campaign strategists, his chief campaign strategist.

00:31:25.000 Well, now Bannon is gone, and so he's gonna go back to Breitbart, and he sort of paved the way for what he's gonna do next.

00:31:31.000 He's got two paths here now that he's out.

00:31:34.000 Path number one is that Bannon could theoretically kind of play it safe, keep it close to the vest, go back to Breitbart, keep quiet.

00:31:42.000 That's not Bannon's thing.

00:31:42.000 Bannon is a war guy all the time.

00:31:44.000 He likes to shout about war.

00:31:45.000 He talks about military analogies all the time.

00:31:47.000 He's not nearly as brilliant as people think he is because he gives off that impression, but he's a smart guy. 0.58

00:31:51.000 I'm not saying he's stupid, but he's not quite the 4D chess guy that everybody thinks he is. 0.96

00:31:56.000 He's a very instinctive knee-jerk knife fighter. 0.97

00:31:59.000 So my understanding is that he will probably go back to Breitbart, and from his perch at Breitbart, he will launch attacks on all the quote-unquote globalists inside the administration.

00:32:08.000 That once you go back to the administration, and you, and you, once you go back to Breitbart, and you decide to rip on Trump, this could really open a rift.

00:32:19.000 So, remember, Bannon also has the support of the single biggest owners to the Republican Party, the Mercer family over in Florida.

00:32:25.000 They gave a lot of money to Trump.

00:32:26.000 They gave a lot of data to Trump.

00:32:28.000 Their firm, Cambridge Analytica, was Trump's data operation.

00:32:31.000 And it's unclear right now if this is sort of an amicable parting of ways or whether this is an open war.

00:32:38.000 If it's an open war, things are about to get very, very interesting because you could see a situation where Trump and Bannon go right at each other, where Bannon decides to use Breitbart as his club to beat the living crap out of Trump, uses Rebecca Mercer and the Mercer family as his sort of money bags to do all of those things, starts to lash Trump from outside as having lost the support of his base,

00:32:57.000 If Breitbart decides to go to war, do they lose readership?

00:33:13.000 Does Bannon even care?

00:33:14.000 I'm not sure Bannon cares.

00:33:16.000 So we're about to enter a very interesting period now where a lot of Trump's base may turn on him for getting rid of Bannon right after a lot of Trump's base felt very enchanted with him after what he had to say about Charlottesville, at least the Bannon base.

00:33:29.000 So it's going to be fascinating to watch.

00:33:32.000 That's all I can say.

00:33:35.000 We'll have to see how this proceeds.

00:33:37.000 My gut instinct tells me that Steve Bannon is not going to take this lying down.

00:33:41.000 That's not Steve's style.

00:33:43.000 Steve is a very transactional fellow, so if he thinks that he will get better results by not attacking Trump, then he'll stay outside and sort of cheerlead for Trump in sort of the way Corey Lewandowski has after being ousted by Trump.

00:33:55.000 But if he thinks that he is going to make a career of his own now, that he's famous enough that he can make a career of his own, he can go into talk radio, he can write books, he can

00:34:04.000 He can run for office himself with the help of the alt-right.

00:34:06.000 He can lead a populist revolution from the outside because Trump has abandoned his base.

00:34:11.000 Then you could see an open war begin between Trump and one of the guys who was supposedly the intellectual in the Trumpism movement.

00:34:20.000 Really fascinating development.

00:34:22.000 Okay, so we'll do quick thing I like, quick thing I hate, and then we'll get to the mailbag, because we have a full mailbag today.

00:34:26.000 So, things that I like.

00:34:28.000 So, I have to admit that I laughed a little bit when I saw this. 0.94

00:34:31.000 Chris Cantwell is a really disgusting white supremacist who was at this white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, and just talking about what a violent guy he was, over and over to Vice News, how he was preparing himself for violence, he wanted violence, he liked violence, he thought the violence was good. 0.95

00:34:49.000 Here was Chris Cantwell to Vice News, just 0.98

00:34:51.000 A few days ago.

00:35:05.000 And then he would go on to talk about how he was looking for the violence.

00:35:08.000 Sometimes the violence would be good.

00:35:09.000 He said in a radio interview that he was going there seeking violence.

00:35:13.000 And then there's a warrant put out for his arrest.

00:35:15.000 And here's a tape of him after the warrant is put out for his arrest.

00:35:18.000 I contacted the local police.

00:35:20.000 I called the Charlottesville Police Department.

00:35:22.000 And I asked them, I said, I have been told that there's a warrant out for my arrest.

00:35:28.000 And they said that they wouldn't confirm it, but that I could find this out if I, excuse me,

00:35:35.000 That I could find this out if I wanted to go to a local magistrate or something like that.

00:35:39.000 But with everything that's happening, I don't think it's wise for me to be, you know, going anywhere.

00:35:44.000 This is a state of emergency.

00:35:46.000 There's the tough guy crying into camera over an arrest warrant being put out for him. 0.97

00:35:50.000 This guy is an open white supremacist, says that Trump sold his daughter to a Jew. 0.98

00:35:54.000 One of the guys who was chanting, Jews will not replace us. 0.98

00:35:57.000 Really just a stellar fellow.

00:35:58.000 Who had openly talked about engaging in violence and now he's crying openly on camera.

00:36:02.000 Does this seem like an emotionally stable human being to you?

00:36:04.000 I mean, put everything else aside, this guy needs help.

00:36:06.000 I mean, I actually feel a little bit bad for him in the sense that I think that- I don't feel bad for him because he's a bad person, but I feel bad for him just as a human being that this guy obviously is emotionally and mentally unstable.

00:36:16.000 And the guy truly needs some help.

00:36:18.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate and then we'll get to the mailbag.

00:36:24.000 Okay, so today's thing I hate comes courtesy of Mark Stein.

00:36:27.000 So I usually like a lot of what Mark Stein has to say.

00:36:29.000 I think he's a really, really talented columnist.

00:36:32.000 His book on Broadway is terrific.

00:36:33.000 He was on with Tucker Carlson, and he started ripping on the tech industry.

00:36:38.000 You know, how a lot of these tech companies had pulled service from some users, and Stein suggests that the government needs to get involved.

00:36:46.000 I don't see why if the United States government thinks in 1918, no not 1918, I think it was about ten years before that, in 1909 whenever it was, that standard oil had gotten too big.

00:36:59.000 If standard oil was too big in 19...

00:37:02.000 Yeah.

00:37:02.000 What is Google now?

00:37:05.000 And there's a difference.

00:37:06.000 The oil companies, or MGM when they both made movies and owned cinemas, they're basically in the movie business.

00:37:14.000 Standard Oil is in the oil business.

00:37:17.000 Google is in the thought business.

00:37:20.000 When you have someone who is actually in control of ideas, who knows the data of just about all 7 billion people on the planet, and it is enforcing an ideological straitjacket, that is far more disturbing than if a Standard Oil or MGM are enforcing ideological straitjackets.

00:37:43.000 I actually think we're moving into a very dark era where YouTube and Facebook and Twitter will bounce more and more people off their monopolies and that will lead to more violence.

00:37:59.000 Okay, so I agree with Stein that a lot of these technological firms are engaging in some real nasty kind of thought policing.

00:38:08.000 I agree with all that, but his idea that the government should get involved... I am on the side of the government should not be involved in any of this stuff.

00:38:14.000 That if you don't like it, you can go build your own server.

00:38:16.000 The idea that the government is going to start regulating these things means that the government is now going to have to take some sort of ownership of these.

00:38:24.000 This is the problem that I have with... This is why I'm more of a libertarian in some of this than I am a conservative.

00:38:30.000 I don't think the government should be involved in regulating how private companies do business.

00:38:34.000 I think that's a dangerous, dangerous principle.

00:38:36.000 And once you start doing it, it's hard to stop it.

00:38:38.000 Okay, so let's jump right into the mailbag. 0.80

00:38:40.000 So, Ian says, Ben, recently there have been advancements in science in relation to gene editing, and the future possibility of being able to safely edit people's genes seems to be getting closer and closer.

00:38:50.000 From a religious perspective, do you believe this to be morally correct?

00:38:52.000 I understand we are creations of God, but in examples of curing diseases and such, is it just for us to change ourselves from the way he has made us?

00:38:58.000 So here is a distinction, well here's a logical distinction that you can take or leave.

00:39:05.000 Let me put it this way.

00:39:06.000 If I had a child who was going to be, and let's say the process of gene editing did not involve abortion in any way, it was just editing a gene so you're just fixing a problem.

00:39:18.000 So let's say that my daughter had a development where she had a hole in her heart. 0.96

00:39:22.000 It's fixed.

00:39:23.000 She's fine.

00:39:23.000 She'll be great for the rest of her life.

00:39:24.000 She'll live 120 years.

00:39:25.000 No problem.

00:39:26.000 She's as good as new.

00:39:26.000 But let's say that I had the capacity to cut that out of her gene, you know, before she had to go through an open-heart surgery.

00:39:35.000 Would I have done that? 0.99

00:39:35.000 You bet your ass I would have done that. 0.99

00:39:37.000 Same thing is true for the Tay-Sachs gene. 0.99

00:39:38.000 The same thing is true for BRCA, the

00:39:45.000 To cure diseases or prevent diseases seems to me a proper use of gene editing.

00:39:51.000 And I think that's true for blindness.

00:39:52.000 I think that's true for disability.

00:39:53.000 I think that, you know, to prevent people from suffering with conditions I think is perfectly valid and normal.

00:40:03.000 To enhance, however, I think you start to get into Dicey territory.

00:40:06.000 This idea that you're going to enhance certain people's intelligence, or you're going to enhance their muscle power, or you're going to change the color of their eyes or their hair.

00:40:15.000 I think now you're starting to play with dangerous stuff, because once you do that...

00:40:19.000 Thank you very much.

00:40:35.000 For a couple of reasons.

00:40:35.000 One, you could see a situation where people just decide they don't want a particular type of human being so we're just going to breed it out of the population.

00:40:41.000 You could also see a situation where the people who are very wealthy can afford gene editing and their kids are perfect and you can see a situation where poor people cannot.

00:40:51.000 I don't think it's quite as easy as don't get involved in gene editing at all.

00:40:53.000 Yes, I do.

00:40:54.000 I think that the rejection of faith

00:41:15.000 in favor of science has led to the destruction of both faith and science.

00:41:19.000 I discussed this last week in The Big Idea, but the idea that we are free human beings capable of making decisions, the idea that we have free will and change our minds, the idea that we have moral responsibility for our actions, all of these things are products of faith, not products of science, and science has actually undermined a lot of these claims, leading to a deterministic universe that forces you into a sort of existential nihilism, and that's very dangerous for society.

00:41:44.000 Nicholas says, Dear Ben, today I got into an argument with an atheist friend of mine who believes that telling your kids that living a sinful life will lead you to hell is child abuse and will scar your kids for life.

00:41:52.000 I'm not an extremely religious person, but I believe in my Christian values.

00:41:55.000 How do I explain the morality of teaching kids about sin?

00:41:58.000 Well, I mean, I think the fact is that teaching children that certain behavior is going to lead to an unhappy life, both here and in the hereafter, is not child abuse.

00:42:08.000 It's actually a valid warning. 0.73

00:42:10.000 Number one, if you're a person of faith, you don't believe that this is a conjecture.

00:42:13.000 You believe that this is a fact, right?

00:42:15.000 Faith believes that the idea of heaven or punishment in the afterlife or comeuppance in the afterlife is a real thing, so it's not like you're lying to your kid.

00:42:22.000 This isn't Santa Claus or Easter or the Easter Bunny, right?

00:42:26.000 This is actually something different.

00:42:28.000 This is you telling what you perceive to be a truth to your children, so that's not child abuse.

00:42:31.000 Second of all,

00:42:32.000 I think that you can make the case against sin in almost secular terms very often by simply saying that things that are sinful lead you down a road that sullies you as a human being and makes your life more unhappy.

00:42:44.000 There tends to be an extraordinarily high crossover between the things that God says are a sin in the Judeo-Christian system and things that end with nasty results to you in this life as well.

00:42:56.000 I think that God set out a system that has created the greatest civilization in the history of mankind.

00:43:00.000 I don't think that's a coincidence.

00:43:02.000 Trey says, Hey Ben, what is your Myers-Briggs type?

00:43:06.000 I can't remember.

00:43:06.000 What is Myers-Briggs?

00:43:07.000 Is this the introvert thing?

00:43:09.000 I'll have to look it up real fast.

00:43:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, the free personality test.

00:43:14.000 You know, I did it at one point and I cannot remember

00:43:18.000 For the life of me, which one, which type I am.

00:43:21.000 I have to look up the types and I probably remember.

00:43:24.000 So I believe that there are, let's see.

00:43:28.000 So I know I was an extrovert.

00:43:30.000 I know that in terms of sensing versus intuition, I think I was sensing versus intuition.

00:43:38.000 I believe that when it came to making decisions, I was thinking versus feeling.

00:43:44.000 And when it came to judging versus perceiving, I believe that I was judging.

00:43:51.000 So I was either an ESTJ or an ENTJ, I believe.

00:43:56.000 So that's...

00:43:58.000 For whatever that's worth.

00:43:59.000 That's what I think I was, anyway.

00:44:01.000 I can't remember, to be frank with you.

00:44:02.000 Okay.

00:44:03.000 Joy says, Do practicing Jews still believe that there is a Messiah, and why is there a difference between Jews today and Jews of the Old Testament?

00:44:09.000 Thanks, love your show.

00:44:09.000 So, yes, practicing Jews believe that there will be a Messiah, and when he comes, he will pursue certain functions.

00:44:15.000 He will reestablish a temple on the Temple Mount.

00:44:18.000 He will be responsible for the ingathering of exiles. 1.00

00:44:21.000 He will establish peace in Israel.

00:44:23.000 This is according to Maimonides.

00:44:24.000 He has basically a very simple set of tasks.

00:44:26.000 He's not some sort of superhuman figure.

00:44:27.000 He's not a god come back to earth or anything like that.

00:44:31.000 And as far as the difference between Jews today and Jews of the Old Testament, so Jews of the Old Testament were living, you know, in... I mean, the traditional Orthodox answer is there's not a huge difference, but the truth is that there's been development

00:44:46.000 In Judaism, through the Oral Torah, through the Talmud, the rabbinic law has obviously developed a fair bit since the Old Testament, so there's a lot of stuff that Jews do today that's not explicit in the Old Testament, but we feel is implicit in the Old Testament.

00:44:58.000 And so Moses may not recognize some of the practices that we pursue today in Judaism, but the idea in the Talmud, and it explicitly says this in the Talmud, is that Moses would come back and he'd be happy that he doesn't recognize that because he set up a system of lawmaking and law-giving, and we've developed that system.

00:45:14.000 Sort of the same way that the founders might come back and look at America and say, wow, I don't really understand a lot of this, but they'd be happy with the system that they created.

00:45:21.000 Luke says, what do you think of the idea that automation will one day take over so many jobs that a universal basic income might be necessary?

00:45:29.000 So, as I've said before, I think that it's possible in the future that automation may do that, but I think that we are a long way from that.

00:45:35.000 Right now employment is nearly full.

00:45:37.000 Every time there is an uptick in technology, there's a similar uptick in jobs of another type.

00:45:42.000 I know that everyone always thinks that we've reached the end of the industrial road.

00:45:45.000 People thought that in 1850 with the Industrial Revolution, which is why they were breaking machines.

00:45:50.000 But I don't think that we've come close to that yet.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, actually, after law school, I considered whether or not to join JAG.

00:45:58.000 One of the reasons that I didn't join JAG at the time was because, as an Orthodox Jew, it's a little bit difficult to be in the military.

00:46:05.000 It's not to say the military wouldn't accommodate it, but there are conflicts, religious conflicts, in terms of holidays off and Sabbath off and all this.

00:46:11.000 I don't know.

00:46:29.000 I would like to know your thoughts on the new intentional walk rule in baseball.

00:46:31.000 I always believed that having to actually throw the pitches would mess with the pitcher's rhythm and therefore add a readjustment dynamic when facing the next batter.

00:46:37.000 What are your thoughts? 1.00

00:46:38.000 So I think the rule is stupid. 0.99

00:46:40.000 This idea that you just signal and then somebody goes to first base as opposed to throwing the four pitches. 0.99

00:46:44.000 I've actually seen games where there's a man on third and they're intentionally walking somebody because there's a man on second and third and they want to set up a force.

00:46:51.000 And the pitcher throws it away and the run scores. 0.95

00:46:53.000 So I think that this is a dumb rule. 0.59

00:46:56.000 I don't think the problem with baseball is the speed of the game. 0.95

00:46:58.000 I think the problem is the speed of life now, and so a lot of people don't get it.

00:47:01.000 But I was at Dodger Stadium two nights ago and the place was packed.

00:47:03.000 I mean, it was just, it was packed to the gills.

00:47:06.000 Every seat was filled.

00:47:07.000 There's still a lot of interest in baseball.

00:47:09.000 It still draws millions and millions and millions of people to the ballpark every year.

00:47:13.000 The one rule I do like is I do like this rule.

00:47:15.000 The 30-second rule for pitches, I think, is good.

00:47:17.000 And I think they should also have rules about how many times batters can step out of the batter's box and adjust their gloves and all this stuff.

00:47:22.000 The pitchers have a rule.

00:47:23.000 I think the batter should have a rule, too.

00:47:25.000 Once you're in the batter's box, you get to step out like once during an at-bat, but you don't get to step out between every pitch.

00:47:30.000 I don't know.

00:47:47.000 It was created in in six 24-hour periods is that the sun was not created on the first day, right?

00:47:53.000 The sun was not there.

00:47:54.000 And so the idea that a day in the Torah at the beginning means the same thing as a day now is is kind of an odd contention.

00:48:03.000 Gerald Trurd does something really interesting.

00:48:04.000 He talks about the

00:48:05.000 The wavelength of, I believe it's the wavelength of background radiation in the universe, and he talks about how as the universe expands, the wavelength of the background radiation gets longer, and so in fact, the number of waves in a 24-hour day of background radiation actually equates to the number of waves that would have been millions of years before the Big Bang occurred.

00:48:28.000 It's kind of interesting.

00:48:29.000 I may be explaining it poorly.

00:48:31.000 You should go read the book.

00:48:38.000 I don't even know what this means.

00:48:40.000 Or why this is in the mailbag.

00:48:42.000 Or what is going on right now.

00:48:44.000 They're all animals?

00:48:48.000 Is there another answer I'm supposed to be giving here?

00:48:51.000 There's got to be a meme thing that I'm just not getting.

00:48:52.000 Anyway, we've reached the end of the week.

00:48:54.000 Steve Bannon is out.

00:48:55.000 We'll have a lot to talk about on Monday, that is for sure.

00:48:58.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:48:58.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 18, 2017

Real Terror, Fake News | Ep. 365

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