The Ben Shapiro Show - Rubio BLOWS UP Senate Democrats 2025-05-21 19:43

00:00:00.000 Discipline, but we're cutting a path that hasn't been cut before, and we're doing it in a responsible way, and I'm very proud of this product.

00:00:07.000 Not perfect, not far enough for a deficit, Hawk, but certainly a good, big, and meaningful step in the right direction.

00:00:17.000 So let's talk about the process from here.

00:00:19.000 Obviously, let's assume that it passes through the lower House of Congress, and now a version has to pass in the Senate.

00:00:25.000 I mean, there's only a framework, is my understanding, in the Senate at this point, so they have to pass their own version of the bill.

00:00:29.000 The Senate says that they could get their work done by July 4th.

00:00:49.000 I don't know if they will or not.

00:00:50.000 I know this.

00:00:51.000 They have a better chance of doing that because of the several months of work that has been put in this.

00:00:57.000 By the way, long before President Trump was sworn in or we started this 119th Congress.

00:01:05.000 So we're going to get this package done.

00:01:08.000 Whether we get it done this weekend or not, I think the chances are good.

00:01:11.000 If not, it'll be soon thereafter.

00:01:14.000 And if we get the product there in the Senate, I think they'll make some modifications.

00:01:20.000 Hopefully not.

00:01:21.000 Material changes.

00:01:22.000 And that will help expedite it to the president's desk.

00:01:25.000 But I don't think they're going to get much more in terms of deficit spending reduction.

00:01:31.000 I don't think they're going to give away any more in terms of, you know.

00:01:36.000 Tax breaks for special interest.

00:01:38.000 That's what I would put in the column for the salt cap increase.

00:01:44.000 And I don't know that they're going to be able to do any more than we're doing on the growth side.

00:01:48.000 I think that's sort of been maximized.

00:01:50.000 So the House is driving it.

00:01:53.000 All of our work, I think, will help facilitate a seamless, relatively, for Congress, seamless path to the president's desk.

00:02:02.000 And then, most importantly, Making it a reality for the American people so that we truly make America safer and more prosperous again.

00:02:11.000 And I think this bill will do that.

00:02:14.000 Congressman Jody Arrington, the House Budget Committee Chairman.

00:02:17.000 So Congressman Arrington, when you look at the possibility of passage, obviously there's going to have to be pressure brought to bear to make sure this gets over the finish line.

00:02:26.000 President Trump was doing some of that yesterday, I think actually quite effectively.

00:02:29.000 The markets have already priced in the passage of the bill.

00:02:32.000 If this bill were to fail, if this were not to pass, the consequences could be pretty disastrous on the American economy, on investment, on everything else.

00:02:43.000 I think that's sort of the unspoken pressure here, is that taxes and a massive tax increase in this sort of fragile economy, that spells doom for a lot of folks.

00:02:55.000 Oh, it does.

00:02:56.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:03:02.000 On predicting a 1.8% annual average GDP, that's the growth rate on average for the next 10 years, while assuming that the tax cuts would expire.

00:03:15.000 The tax cuts expiring were a $4.5 trillion tax hike on the American people and our job creators would be devastating.

00:03:25.000 We would certainly be in a recession.

00:03:28.000 And we're talking about 26%.

00:03:30.000 Million small businesses not getting the comparable treatment to the corporate rate that was reduced.

00:03:37.000 We took their 20% deduction to 23%.

00:03:41.000 But just on an individual basis, 91% of the American people take the standard deduction.

00:03:47.000 That would be cut in half.

00:03:49.000 45 million people get a child tax credit.

00:03:52.000 That would be cut in half.

00:03:53.000 On average, the American people would receive a 22% tax increase.

00:03:58.000 So, look.

00:03:59.000 The bottom line is, as you said, and I think you said it well, we've got to extend the tax cuts.

00:04:05.000 We put a few more in place that are targeted on working people in this country.

00:04:11.000 I think after about, I think it was a 20% regressive inflation tax over the last few years, that's appropriate.

00:04:18.000 So it's about bringing the prices down.

00:04:21.000 It's about getting our economy off high center.

00:04:24.000 If you grow the economy, Ben, by one percentage point, Over the next 10 years, over the budget window, we will reduce the deficit by $3 trillion.

00:04:33.000 So it's important, again, that we get our economy growing, create those conditions, unleash prosperity, build on that, and also build the political will and the support from the American people to understand that all this...

00:04:51.000 All these entitlements that are on auto-spend that represent 90% of the increase in spending over the next 10 years that will drive us from World War II levels of debt to $125 trillion on top of that, which is unsustainable.

00:05:07.000 It's the biggest threat to the economy, to our security, to our global leadership, our children's future in the world.

00:05:15.000 But we've got to sell that.

00:05:16.000 We have to have the American people.

00:05:18.000 As Abraham Lincoln said, if you have the public sentiment, you can do anything.

00:05:23.000 If you don't, you can't do anything.

00:05:24.000 And so we've got some work to do there.

00:05:27.000 But again, we're starting to turn the battleship.

00:05:29.000 This is a responsible bill.

00:05:31.000 I'm very proud of it.

00:05:33.000 Well, that's Congressman Jody Arrington.

00:05:35.000 Really appreciate your time, sir, and good luck on the bill.

00:05:38.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:05:38.000 It's an honor to be with you.

00:05:40.000 Alrighty, folks, also on the line to discuss the big, beautiful bill, we have the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russell Vogt.

00:05:47.000 Director, thanks so much for joining the program.

00:05:48.000 Really appreciate the time.

00:05:50.000 Yeah, you bet.

00:05:51.000 Thanks.

00:05:53.000 So let's talk about this bill.

00:05:54.000 Obviously, there's been a lot of heartburn, particularly by fiscal hawks about this bill's suggestion that the bill doesn't do enough to cut the national deficit.

00:06:02.000 It adds to the deficit or adds to the debt.

00:06:04.000 What's the truth about that?

00:06:06.000 Well, I think, look, this is the most historic level of mandatory savings that we've had ever, $1.6 trillion.

00:06:13.000 And just to give people a little bit of context, for 30 years, we've had virtually no efforts to cut mandatory savings, which are the things that are hardwired into permanent law, welfare benefits, things like Medicaid.

00:06:28.000 And we've had nothing.

00:06:30.000 Of consequence since the 1997 balanced budget agreement, which included the work requirements with the Republican Congress and Bill Clinton.

00:06:38.000 This bill essentially doubles that with $1.6 trillion, begins to have sizable savings to get illegal immigrants off of Medicaid, to have a work requirement in Medicaid, to take those reforms from 1997 and apply them to more of the federal program to get people back into the labor force.

00:06:57.000 So it does sizable things at the same time as being in addition to the economic growth that we think will come from this, because, you know, my view as a budget guy, you can't cut spending if you don't have a growing economy.

00:07:11.000 And so the last thing you want to do is not preserve these tax cuts, get them extended.

00:07:17.000 That is really just what current law is.

00:07:19.000 There's a unique thing in budget land where you allow for...

00:07:27.000 So all that we're doing is extending what is essentially current law and then adding $1.6 trillion in mandatory savings.

00:07:34.000 We think it's actually historic and something this town has even begun to approach.

00:07:38.000 And we're working with members to be able to tell that story.

00:07:43.000 So, Director, one of the things that I think is kind of interesting about this debate is that many of the fiscal hawks seem to be railing against what the bill is not rather than what the bill is, meaning...

00:07:52.000 Would it be great if the bill actually took on mandatory entitlement programs in a far bigger way that actually moved towards solving our systemic national debt problem, which, of course, is going to accrue over the course of the next 10, 20 years?

00:08:04.000 The cost curve is being bent here, but it's not being bent to the extent that it totally solves our national debt or deficit crisis.

00:08:10.000 But, of course, it never was going to.

00:08:12.000 The Republicans have a two-vote majority, essentially, in the House.

00:08:16.000 They have a three-vote majority, if you include the vice president, in the Senate.

00:08:19.000 The sort of idea that there is going to be a widespread rejiggering of the entire way that America does its welfare state in this bill, I think that that is asking a little much.

00:08:29.000 I assume that's why President Trump has been a little bit upset with, for example, Representative Thomas Massey, who's out there basically saying that unless we completely hamstring the entire welfare state, he's against.

00:08:40.000 We definitely have very slim majorities, and this is what we believe that we can accomplish.

00:08:45.000 And the way I look at it is we have had no successes at all for so many years.

00:08:50.000 We've been living in this town and working and laboring, fiscal conservatives all among us, and had no victories.

00:08:57.000 And this has massive victories, not just on the policies, securing the border, national defense, the tax relief, but $1.6 trillion in real mandatory relief, not gimmicks.

00:09:10.000 Our biggest problem, Ben, is that we have not been able to achieve any successes over 30 years.

00:09:16.000 This one would, and it allows us to then go to the next vehicle and make more progress.

00:09:22.000 And once you get in the business of having things that pass and are enacted into law...

00:09:27.000 Now you've got the country moving in the right direction and we can get more of the way down the road with regard to restoring our fiscal house to order.

00:09:34.000 But I think you summed it up very, very, very importantly.

00:09:38.000 This was not originally the debate to be able to fundamentally balance the budget.

00:09:44.000 This was to figure out how much we could do on a critical leverage point to make sure that we weren't hurting the fiscal situation and to make as much...

00:09:56.000 We're trying to communicate, look, we've got a lot of different levers.

00:09:59.000 We haven't even talked about what's happening in the appropriations process.

00:10:02.000 We sent up a budget that is 20% below non-defense cut from last year, which is the lowest level since fiscal year 17. If you adjust for inflation, it's the lowest since 20...

00:10:15.000 Since 2000.

00:10:17.000 So that's something that you have to zoom out to be able to look at what's going on here and tell that story about all the moving parts.

00:10:26.000 So, Director, one of the other things that you've been working on, obviously, is you've been working closely with Doge with regard to going through the federal government, looking for cuts, waste, fraud, abuse, restructuring of the administrative state.

00:10:37.000 What are your goals there?

00:10:38.000 What should we be looking for from Doge in the future?

00:10:40.000 Obviously, the first few months, there's been a lot of action.

00:10:42.000 It's kind of unclear how many of those cuts are going to be made permanent.

00:10:45.000 What actually can be done just purely at the executive level as opposed to requiring some sort of confirmation from Congress?

00:10:51.000 What's your view on what Doge is capable of doing in and of itself?

00:10:54.000 What can be done just within the executive branch to stop spending, cut regulation, and what does require the help of Congress?

00:11:00.000 Well, it depends on the specific funding that we're talking about, but we've identified $160 billion of waste, abuse, of reforms and savings that we are trying to make permanent.

00:11:12.000 And so we will use the Impoundment Control Act, which Congress put in law in the 1970s.

00:11:18.000 We're not big fans of it.

00:11:19.000 We think it's unconstitutional, but there are...

00:11:22.000 We have processes in place that allow us to be able to evade the filibuster in the Senate.

00:11:27.000 And if we can get a majority vote on some of our rescissions bills, we're very happy to work with Congress.

00:11:31.000 Our first rescissions bill on foreign aid and NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting should go up very soon.

00:11:38.000 And I think that's going to be passed.

00:11:40.000 I really do.

00:11:41.000 We're now also working to think through what are the other things that can go through the various features of the Impoundment Control Act at different...

00:11:51.000 Different parts of the year.

00:11:52.000 And also, impoundment continues to be on the table.

00:11:55.000 We, 200 years of presidents, had the ability to spend less.

00:12:00.000 The constitutional principle is that Congress puts that ceiling in it, but it was never meant to be a floor.

00:12:07.000 And in the aftermath of Watergate, the lowest point of the presidency, Congress stepped in and said, no, we're going to make this a floor and we're going to make it so if we give you $100 million for apprenticeships and you feel like you could do it for $75 million, we're going to make you spend that extra $25 million.

00:12:28.000 We want to have that debate.

00:12:47.000 If you're not, we're going to definitely keep these things, I call them executive tools, to reduce spending beneath.

00:12:53.000 The appropriation from Congress, those are very much on the table.

00:12:58.000 And, Director, one of the other questions, obviously, that's arising right now, Moody's recently downgraded the American debt, basically suggesting that, obviously, many of the problems we're talking about are systemic and on into the future.

00:13:10.000 The timing of that Moody's decision, obviously, may be politically suspect.

00:13:14.000 Moody's is not known for being particularly apolitical.

00:13:17.000 With that said...

00:13:18.000 Much of what you're worried about over at OMB is specifically that.

00:13:22.000 You are worried about the long-term national debt.

00:13:25.000 What do you think are the next steps beyond this big, beautiful bill in the future for the rest of the Trump administration in terms of moving toward bringing America's fiscal house back toward order?

00:13:35.000 I think it's using every leverage point that we possibly can fiscally to make progress.

00:13:39.000 And there's kind of some big, the big moving parts are economic growth numbers, tariff revenues that are coming in, it's discretionary cuts that I just talked about.

00:13:49.000 That $160 billion in the first year over 10 years is $4 trillion of the answer.

00:13:54.000 And it's mandatory reforms.

00:13:55.000 And so, you know, we need more than 1.6.

00:13:58.000 But $1.6 trillion is a sizable amount of what is needed to get us back towards balance.

00:14:04.000 And so a combination of all of those different moving parts will get us there over time.

00:14:11.000 We can do a lot of it executively.

00:14:13.000 We're going to need Congress on more of these, particularly on the mandatory side of the reforms and the savings.

00:14:20.000 And we'll just keep using leverage points to move forward.

00:14:23.000 But I think when you look at what we've done on the tariffs, even what is Already right now in place, not just kind of being, you know, negotiated as part of the reciprocal tariffs.

00:14:34.000 Those have sizable impact over 10 years that we never really assumed for in years past.

00:14:42.000 Well, that is the director of the Office of Management and Budget, one of the most transformative people in the American government, Russ Vogt.

00:14:46.000 Really appreciate your time, sir.

00:14:48.000 Thanks, Ben.

00:14:49.000 Well, meanwhile, Elon Musk has now announced that he is likely to step back from his political involvement over the course of the next couple of years.

00:14:57.000 He announced this at the Qatar Economic Forum in an interview with Bloomberg.

00:15:00.000 Here was Elon Musk yesterday.

00:15:02.000 Bye.

00:15:03.000 I think in terms of political spending, I'm going to do a lot less in the future.

00:15:12.000 And why is that?

00:15:15.000 I think I've done enough.

00:15:19.000 Is it because of blowback?

00:15:24.000 Well, if I see a reason to political spending in the future, I will do it.

00:15:28.000 I don't currently see a reason.

00:15:32.000 Okay, so there are a couple of things that are happening here.

00:15:34.000 One is that Elon happens to be correct, actually, that when he injects himself into any political controversy in, say, a purple state, it actually sometimes creates the opposite effect.

00:15:45.000 So, for example, he spent an awful lot of money on a key Wisconsin Supreme Court race last month.

00:15:50.000 But the negative publicity that emerged from him spending on that race actually may have outweighed the signal contribution that he made to the race.

00:15:57.000 When it comes to presidential races, obviously, that is a different thing.

00:16:02.000 Democrats have attacked Musk.

00:16:03.000 They've attacked his businesses.

00:16:04.000 It is not a great shock that he is moving out of that realm.

00:16:08.000 Obviously, many of his major businesses have suffered as a result of his contribution to the public discourse, his involvement in Doge, and all the rest.

00:16:16.000 And this is a reminder.

00:16:18.000 That Democrats do not have that same incentive structure.

00:16:20.000 There are a lot of Democrats who have involved themselves, you know, we're talking about people in business, at a very high level and continue to do so volubly with huge amounts of money, and they've never received the kind of public blowback that Elon Musk has received for having gotten involved in the political arena in that way.

00:16:35.000 Now, to be fair, Elon is obviously a lot more voluble than many of those other Democrats.

00:16:40.000 Many of these Democrats are sort of behind the scenes, contributing money.

00:16:42.000 They're not out in front.

00:16:43.000 They're not as publicly going out there and...

00:16:46.000 And holding chainsaws or flamethrowers or anything like that.

00:16:48.000 However, it is a reminder that while the right will constantly say the legacy media are dead, the impact of the left dead, that is obviously not totally true.

00:16:57.000 And we should keep an eye out for it in the future because the pressures that were unleashed on Elon Musk here are very much still in play for other corporate heads.

00:17:05.000 I think the right sometimes declares victory a little bit too early on fronts like this one.

00:17:09.000 Meanwhile, all the controversy has not abated with regard to Joe Biden's health.

00:17:13.000 We are now finding out.

00:17:14.000 From Joe Biden's team that his last known prostate cancer blood screening test, his last PSA, was performed in 2014.

00:17:23.000 2014.

00:17:25.000 That's insane.

00:17:26.000 I also am not sure I believe that.

00:17:28.000 And the reason I don't believe that is because the Biden family has actually a pretty long and storied history of covering up actual cancer among members of its family.

00:17:36.000 The new book by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, Original Sin, which has a lot of fascinating parts of it.

00:17:40.000 One of the parts of the book.

00:17:42.000 It's a section where they talk about how the Biden family covered up Bo's cancer, actually.

00:17:46.000 The book explains, quote, Bo's cancer treatment also demonstrated the Biden's capacity for denial and the lengths they would go to avoid transparency about health issues, even when the person in question is an elected official, in this case, the sitting attorney general of Delaware.

00:17:59.000 So in summer of 2013, Bo Biden had surgery because he had a stage four tumor removed from his brain afterward.

00:18:06.000 And he started looking very sick, obviously.

00:18:09.000 He started looking very gaunt.

00:18:11.000 In November 2013, Bo told a local reporter he had a clean bill of health after an exam.

00:18:16.000 He remained the sitting attorney general of Delaware for the entirety of 2014, even while the family was secretly flying him all over the country for a variety of experimental treatments.

00:18:23.000 In April 2014, he began having difficulties with speech.

00:18:26.000 He would often enter hospitals under an alias, George Lincoln.

00:18:30.000 Apparently, Bo's wife's Hallie didn't like this, but Joe Biden insisted on it. 0.93

00:18:34.000 According to the book, making it public likely would have led people to rally around the family who's an elected official.

00:18:39.000 But both Biden and Beau oppose the disclosure.

00:18:42.000 At times, Biden also instructed his team to mislead the media about his whereabouts.

00:18:45.000 They would publicly say the vice president was going to Delaware for the weekend, then returning to D.C. the next week.

00:18:49.000 That was technically true, but sometimes Biden flew to Houston, where Beau was receiving treatment to be with his eldest son over the weekend.

00:18:57.000 That, again, all the questions that are being asked right now about the cover-up of Joe Biden's health are perfectly legitimate.

00:19:03.000 Like, every single bit of it is perfectly legitimate.

00:19:05.000 Do I believe that he just found out about his cancer last week?

00:19:07.000 I have a very difficult time believing that.

00:19:10.000 Why in the world would his last PSA be in 2014, 11 years ago?

00:19:13.000 In the interim, he was Vice President of the United States and President of the United States.

00:19:17.000 And by the way, these sort of old guidance that you don't bother doing PSAs for older people because the cancer develops so slowly that if they're really old, they probably die of old age before the cancer kills them.

00:19:27.000 The rates of survival of prostate cancer have increased dramatically over the course.

00:19:32.000 Of the last 30, 40 years.

00:19:34.000 And so, you know, my parents, my dad, obviously, as he gets older, he has a routine prostate exam and routine PSA, obviously, as he should.

00:19:43.000 It is ridiculous not to.

00:19:45.000 And when you're talking about the vice president and president of the United States, why would you not?

00:19:50.000 Why would you not?

00:19:51.000 This is insane.

00:19:52.000 Well, Tapper and Thompson are making the rounds.

00:19:54.000 And Tapper and Thompson said yesterday, That even Biden's top aides were astonished by the fact that the media were so complicit in the cover-up.

00:20:04.000 And Alex and I are here to say that conservative media was right and conservative media was correct and that there should be a lot of soul-searching, not just among me, but among the legacy media to begin with, all of us, for how this was covered or not covered sufficiently.

00:20:24.000 100%.

00:20:28.000 I mean, I'm not here to defend coverage that I've already acknowledged I wish I could do differently.

00:20:34.000 And that was on Megyn Kelly's show. 0.96

00:20:36.000 Megyn really held Jake's feet to the fire with regard to his coverage of Joe Biden's health conditions, suggesting that he should have done more.

00:20:42.000 And Tapper himself acknowledged that he certainly should have done more.

00:20:45.000 And that goes to deeper questions about why the legacy media were so complicit in Biden's health cover-up when it was perfectly obvious to everyone with the naked eye that Joe Biden was in the middle of a health decline.

00:20:55.000 Would they have been quite as conciliatory?

00:20:57.000 To the Trump administration, if Trump were in the middle of a real health collapse.

00:21:02.000 Well, according to Tapper, the person driving the decision making in the White House was Hunter Biden, which is just insane.

00:21:09.000 That's just crazy towns.

00:21:11.000 If you're wondering who the real president was, the answer was combo of Jill and Hunter appears to be the answer.

00:21:15.000 Here was Jake Tapper explaining.

00:21:18.000 How big a factor was the Hunter stuff?

00:21:21.000 I think it was considerable.

00:21:22.000 I think Hunter was driving the decision making for the family in a way.

00:21:26.000 He was almost like a chief of staff of the family.

00:21:30.000 Does that strike you as pretty bizarre?

00:21:31.000 It's bizarre because I think he is provably, demonstrably unethical, sleazy, and prone to horrible decisions.

00:21:40.000 Tell me how you really feel.

00:21:42.000 Well, I mean, I just look at the record.

00:21:45.000 I mean, after his brother died, he cheated on his wife with his brother's widow and then got her addicted to crack.

00:21:51.000 That's just one thing I could say.

00:21:53.000 I mean, there are...

00:21:55.000 I don't have a lot of personal regard for him.

00:21:58.000 And just based on having nothing to do with...

00:22:01.000 I barely have ever met him.

00:22:02.000 I've met him like once or twice.

00:22:04.000 But I knew Bo.

00:22:06.000 Bo was a great, upstanding guy.

00:22:08.000 I knew him too, really.

00:22:10.000 A real loss.

00:22:11.000 For the country, too.

00:22:13.000 Not just for his family, for the country.

00:22:14.000 But Hunter is not that.

00:22:16.000 And the idea of letting him drive the family car, as it were, is just really, really questionable.

00:22:26.000 Okay, so again, all this was out there.

00:22:29.000 The big unanswered question, of course, that we all know the answer to is why didn't the media cover it better?

00:22:32.000 The answer is because they wanted Joe Biden to win.

00:22:35.000 What's amazing is watching some of the left-wing members of the media not do what Jake Tapper is doing.

00:22:40.000 Tapper, at least, is doing a mea culpa.

00:22:41.000 Jake is at least going out there and saying, yeah, I should have covered this better.

00:22:45.000 My mistake.

00:22:45.000 And again, you can take or leave the...

00:22:48.000 You can either take it or leave it, what he's saying, but at least he is saying the thing.

00:22:52.000 That is not the case with, say, Joe Scarborough.

00:22:54.000 Joe Scarborough, Like, a couple of weeks before Joe Biden went on national TV and died, said that Joe Biden was at his best ever and you were crazy if you didn't think so.

00:23:04.000 He is still kind of holding by that now, which is just wild.

00:23:10.000 In fact, when I finished talking to Biden on, I guess it was 22, late 22, I hung up the phone and I said to me, I go, He doesn't have dementia.

00:23:23.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:23:24.000 Because, again, it was not just cogent.

00:23:28.000 It was a better, really, analysis of the situation than I'd heard from most people unless it was, let's say, it was Chairman McCall or somebody running a permanent committee.

00:23:41.000 And you're confident if someone heard the audio of that conversation, they would come away with the same conclusion.

00:23:46.000 Oh my God, yeah.

00:23:47.000 Anybody.

00:23:49.000 But looking back at that, do you say, well, it was misleading to say Best Buy never, without caveating it, and say, except on the days when he's not the Best Buy now.

00:23:59.000 Well, but I never saw those days, personally.

00:24:02.000 Well, you did.

00:24:03.000 You did, because you saw him address a dead congresswoman, and you saw him in South Carolina.

00:24:07.000 A dead congresswoman, yeah. 1.00

00:24:08.000 Yeah, well, more than that.

00:24:09.000 I can show you the RNC clip reels.

00:24:12.000 There were plenty of days in public.

00:24:14.000 When he was not the best Biden ever.

00:24:16.000 Yeah, he stumbled and bumbled around, Mark.

00:24:20.000 I mean, yeah, he certainly did.

00:24:23.000 Donald Trump did.

00:24:24.000 Other politicians did.

00:24:25.000 But it's actually the same case as a lot of times when I've gone in and talked to Donald Trump.

00:24:34.000 Oh, no.

00:24:36.000 Oh, no.

00:24:39.000 Again, like...

00:24:40.000 Am I allowed to ask about bias now?

00:24:42.000 I mean, now we all know.

00:24:44.000 Like, really?

00:24:45.000 Seriously?

00:24:46.000 Again, when people change their opinions based on new facts, or when they apologize for screwing it up in the first place, that is better than this.

00:24:54.000 Whoopi Goldberg, by the way, continues to claim that there was no way, there were no outside indicators that Joe Biden was ever in decline, except for your own eyes, lady.

00:25:01.000 Here she was.

00:25:03.000 Listen, he's 83, so he's a little stumbly, he's a little rumbly.

00:25:09.000 I...

00:25:09.000 Can't point to anything that he's done that he did.

00:25:14.000 But I'm saying, I want, not you, but I want somebody to tell me, well, when did you know it was bad?

00:25:27.000 When did I know that it was bad?

00:25:29.000 When I watched him do things.

00:25:31.000 That is the answer to that question.

00:25:33.000 That's when we all knew that it was bad.

00:25:35.000 Come on.

00:25:36.000 Come on.

00:25:37.000 The deeper the Democrats dig this hole, the harder it's going to be for them to get out of it.

00:25:40.000 They really should just say, we were wrong.

00:25:42.000 We thought he could get through it.

00:25:44.000 We thought maybe he would recover.

00:25:45.000 It was a cover-up.

00:25:46.000 Our bad.

00:25:47.000 That's the best they can do, seriously, but they're not actually doing it.

00:25:50.000 Again, just another reason I should point out why I think AOC continues to do well in the polling, because AOC is sort of outside the Democratic Party.

00:25:59.000 I've cited Matt Continetti, the political commentator, to the point before that people who tend to be successful electorally in presidential politics, Well, apparently, a brand new coefficient survey conducted May 7th to May 9th found that 26% identified Ocasio-Cortez as the face of the Democratic Party.

00:26:25.000 26% said there is no one currently leading the party.

00:26:28.000 22% chose other.

00:26:31.000 Ocasio-Cortez was ahead of the second-place finisher.

00:26:35.000 That second-place finisher, Was Bernie Sanders, who is likely to be her supporter.

00:26:41.000 Jasmine Crockett placed third in the survey with 8%.

00:26:43.000 All these so-called establishment Democrats are stuck 6%, 5%, 4%.

00:26:49.000 Cory Booker, despite his bizarre Mr. Potato Head routine on the Senate floor, is stuck at 4%.

00:26:55.000 I think people are underestimating AOC at their own peril.

00:27:00.000 And let's be real about this.

00:27:01.000 Democrats right now are complaining about AOC.

00:27:03.000 We'll get behind her if they are forced to do so. 0.81

00:27:05.000 James Carville, who is way too smart to get behind the sort of AOC Bizarro wing party.

00:27:10.000 He says that he would back AOC.

00:27:12.000 And I don't think the party is in near as bad shape as it's being portrayed to be.

00:27:20.000 We lost the election.

00:27:21.000 I don't like the party.

00:27:22.000 I don't blame the party's reputation for being low.

00:27:26.000 I think if AOC wants to run for president, she gets a nominee, and God bless you, you are the leader of the Democratic Party.

00:27:34.000 Whoever gets that nomination is going to be it.

00:27:36.000 That's all I'm waiting for.

00:27:40.000 You know, if they can't stand the way AOC is, it's going to be very difficult for them to stop her. 0.97

00:27:44.000 She's got one entire lane of the Democratic Party to herself, that far left lane. 1.00

00:27:49.000 She's got huge name recognition. 0.61

00:27:52.000 She's got Bernie Sanders' base of support.

00:27:54.000 She's probably got finance from that wing of the party. 1.00

00:27:56.000 Everybody on the right who's very sanguine about this, by the way, oh, we'll definitely beat AOC.

00:28:01.000 I'd just like to recall a person named Barack Obama who was running against the establishment Democrat, Hillary Clinton, and ended up being a two-term president.

00:28:07.000 So don't be sanguine about anything, I think, should be the message of the last 20 years in American politics at the very, very least.

00:28:16.000 Okay, meanwhile, the Europeans are apparently angry at Israel for, you know, trying to destroy Hamas.

00:28:21.000 That continues to be the pattern.

00:28:23.000 That's nothing new, by the way.

00:28:24.000 The Europeans were very angry at Israel for surviving the 1973 war.

00:28:27.000 They were angry at Israel for attacking the Osirak reactor.

00:28:29.000 They've been historically angry at Israel for defending itself. 0.62

00:28:32.000 Now, the British government, which, again, is subject to a very large Muslim population and also is a very left-wing government, and the French government, run by the absolutely ridiculous and politically bile Emmanuel Macron, is also calling on Israel. 0.94

00:28:52.000 to stop its final moves against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, despite the fact that Hamas is not surrendering the hostages and continues to wield enough authority in the Gaza Strip to kill people who oppose it.

00:29:04.000 The same from the Canadians. 0.98

00:29:06.000 None of this is a giant shock.

00:29:09.000 According to the EU, EU Foreign Policy Chief Kaha Kallis announced that the bloc of 27 countries would begin a formal review of its trade accord with Israel.

00:29:18.000 A huge majority, Kala said, of EU foreign ministers backed a proposal to reconsider the deal, which includes provisions on international human rights law.

00:29:26.000 A spokesperson for Israel's foreign ministry said that this reflects a total misunderstanding of the complex reality Israel is facing.

00:29:35.000 Now, to be fair, part of this is Israel's fault. 0.89

00:29:38.000 Israel should have moved faster. 1.00

00:29:39.000 We are now 19 months into the October 7th war.

00:29:43.000 Israel should not have had itself stopped by the Biden administration.

00:29:46.000 Certainly since President Trump took over, they should have moved faster in Gaza. 0.81

00:29:49.000 They should move fast now.

00:29:50.000 The reality is that large swaths of the West do not understand how war works.

00:29:54.000 They do not understand what Hamas is.

00:29:56.000 They do not understand the notion of trade-offs.

00:29:58.000 They don't understand that war is necessarily ugly, particularly when one of those sides is a terrorist regime hell-bent on civilian casualties and holding hostages.

00:30:06.000 That's just the reality of the situation.

00:30:08.000 Israel should have moved faster. 1.00

00:30:10.000 But now, given the situation, should Israel finish the job or should they leave Hamas in control with hostages under their control?

00:30:17.000 What exactly is the alternative being posed by the EU? 0.67

00:30:20.000 The EU, of course, has always been an organization filled with foreign policy cowards.

00:30:27.000 So that, of course, is no shock.

00:30:28.000 By the way, it is worth noting here that while the EU is considering sanctioning Israel, essentially, for finishing off a terrorist group in the Gaza Strip, the EU is trying to lift sanctions on Syria, which is run by a literal, honest-to-God terrorist group backed by the Turkish government that just a few weeks ago we were discussing.

00:30:45.000 was trying to slaughter the Druze and not just a few Christians, apparently. 0.84

00:30:49.000 And so the EU is like, no sanctions on the Syrian terrorist group, sanctions on Israel, which I think shows you exactly where their head is at.

00:30:57.000 Pretty amazing stuff from the EU, but I would expect nothing more and nothing less.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 21, 2025

Rubio BLOWS UP Senate Democrats 2025-05-21 19:43

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