The Ben Shapiro Show - Shot Through The Hart | Ep. 675

00:00:00.000 Kevin Hart loses his Oscar gig, Democrats fulminate over voter fraud in North Carolina, and we'll check the mailbag.

00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:08.000 Well, I will admit I am bleary-eyed after partying it up at the White House Hanukkah party that happened yesterday.

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00:01:46.000 Okay, so the big story of the day.

00:01:49.000 Is that the Oscars have now decided to dump Kevin Hart, or rather Kevin Hart decided to dump himself.

00:01:53.000 So Kevin Hart is a comedian and an actor who you've seen in such classic films as the one with Dwayne The Rock Johnson and the other one with Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

00:02:04.000 He is mainly a sidekick in a lot of these films.

00:02:07.000 He's a funny guy.

00:02:09.000 I like Kevin Hart's work before.

00:02:11.000 You know, I liked his work, but now Kevin Hart Who was picked to host the Oscars, which is the worst gig in Hollywood, because there has not yet been a host at the Oscars who is treated well.

00:02:21.000 He was picked to host the Oscars, and he was very excited about it.

00:02:24.000 Until the social media mob came a-calling.

00:02:26.000 So what did they do?

00:02:27.000 They started filtering through all of his past tweets, because this is what we do now.

00:02:31.000 We go through tweets that are eight years old to try and destroy people on the eve of their greatest career triumphs.

00:02:36.000 And I guess we feel better about ourselves for doing this.

00:02:39.000 I guess that Americans feel great when we tear people down with tweets that are legitimately a decade old, because now we feel like we've made a step in favor of tolerance.

00:02:49.000 But have you really made a step in favor of tolerance by digging up An old anti-gay tweet by Kevin Hart from 2011 and then destroying his career?

00:02:56.000 Do you think Kevin Hart probably thinks the same things in 2011 that he thinks now?

00:02:59.000 Do you really think that he'd make that joke right now?

00:03:02.000 And by the way, how would you feel if everybody were digging up everything you ever said 10 years ago and using that as an opportunity to destroy your career?

00:03:10.000 Well, that's exactly what happened with Kevin Hart.

00:03:12.000 So here's how it started.

00:03:13.000 On Tuesday, The Motion Picture Academy announced its big-name host for the 2019 Oscar ceremonies.

00:03:20.000 It was going to be comedian Kevin Hart.

00:03:22.000 But then, all of these tweets surfaced, and Hart went back and he started deleting all of these past tweets.

00:03:27.000 And then, he posted a video statement on Instagram Thursday, saying he's not going to get all worked up over the craziness.

00:03:33.000 He said, Which is a rational response to people finding stuff that you disagree with 10 years ago.

00:03:42.000 There's been a lot of talk online recently about people going back and just purging their social media posts specifically because they don't want to be held to account for stuff that they said 10 years ago and that they now disagree with.

00:03:53.000 The Hollywood Reporter declared the issue a full-blown crisis on Thursday.

00:03:57.000 It is deeply necessary that we destroy the career of somebody who tweeted something 10 years ago because it makes people have bad feelings.

00:04:04.000 We don't want people to have bad feelings, guys.

00:04:06.000 We can't have bad feelings at the Oscars.

00:04:08.000 The Oscars is just, it's so wonderful. 0.98

00:04:10.000 It's such a time of warmth, you know, when they yell at Republicans and talk about how religious people are stupid, and then give awards to movies that nobody's ever seen on the basis of their intersectionality. 0.98

00:04:19.000 They give awards to women having sex with fish, and they give awards to how it is to grow up young and gay and black in the inner city, and movies that nobody has ever seen nor anyone will ever see. 0.99

00:04:31.000 And then they tell us how they are better people than we are. 0.97

00:04:34.000 That's what they really need.

00:04:35.000 They need more of that.

00:04:36.000 What they don't need is comedians who are actually funny.

00:04:37.000 They don't need people who actually make jokes.

00:04:39.000 They need people who are woke.

00:04:40.000 And if we don't have enough people who are woke, then obviously we have failed in our attempts to make the world a better place in Hollywood.

00:04:48.000 And so, after all of this was said, it was time for Kevin Hart to go.

00:04:53.000 Kevin Hart had to be thrown out of the room because Kevin Hart made all of these terrible, no good, very bad, unacceptable jokes.

00:05:01.000 There's an article today by a person named Owen Gleiberman who no one's ever heard of and will never be of any use in life.

00:05:07.000 And I say this because this is what critics do when they are deciding to tear somebody down.

00:05:11.000 Owen Glaberman writes, I'm not a person who tends to have a censorious attitude towards stand-up comedians.

00:05:16.000 One of their jobs is to give voice to the audacious, the outrageous, the rudely incorrect.

00:05:20.000 Yet.

00:05:20.000 Whenever they say yet, after they say, you know, I love comedians.

00:05:24.000 I love how they make jokes.

00:05:25.000 You know, jokes that are transgressive.

00:05:27.000 As every joke is.

00:05:28.000 Like, name your favorite joke.

00:05:30.000 Unless you're talking about, like, dad jokes for your kids.

00:05:32.000 Honestly, everyone's favorite joke transgresses some sort of taboo.

00:05:36.000 Every single person's favorite.

00:05:37.000 That's what makes the joke funny, is the shock effect.

00:05:39.000 It's the incongruity.

00:05:41.000 It's the fact that somebody said something true you're not allowed to say.

00:05:43.000 Right?

00:05:43.000 That's why everybody likes comedians that cross lines.

00:05:46.000 But, according to this columnist, there are certain lines that cannot be crossed.

00:05:50.000 Owen Gleiberman at Variety. 0.98

00:05:51.000 Kevin Hart's comic tweets about the LGBTQ community, which consists basically of the aggressive flaunting of a lot of dumb and angry homophobic stereotypes. 0.99

00:05:58.000 Here's one of them. 0.98

00:05:59.000 "Yo, if my son comes home and tries to play with my daughter's dollhouse, I'm gonna break it over his head and say in my voice, 'Stop, that's gay,' can leave you with a slightly queasy feeling." First of all, if you think that's like the worst joke anybody ever told, let me ask you a question. 0.85

00:06:13.000 Does anybody think that it was not a joke when he tweeted that he was legitimately going to go home and find a dollhouse and break it over his son's head?

00:06:20.000 Does anyone think that was in Kevin Hart's heart when he said that?

00:06:23.000 Or is it possible that he was just making fun of the stereotype?

00:06:27.000 Or is it possible that he doesn't want his son to be gay?

00:06:30.000 Which, okay, you may not like that, but it's his kid.

00:06:33.000 He says, yet most of the tweets date back seven or eight years, according to Variety.

00:06:37.000 And no, it's not as if Hart should be banned from stand-up comedy, or that we should now organize a boycott of The Upside, his upcoming buddy farce with Bryan Cranston.

00:06:44.000 Yet Kevin Hart was not.

00:06:46.000 The right choice to host the 91st Academy Awards ceremony on February 24th, 2019.

00:06:50.000 And so it's a good thing he's stepping down.

00:06:52.000 Those tweets marked him as the wrong person, the wrong host, at the wrong time.

00:06:58.000 Because seven years ago, back when same-sex marriage was not legal across the country, he said a thing.

00:07:05.000 My god, the thing that he said!

00:07:07.000 Okay, how woke are the folks in Hollywood?

00:07:10.000 They're so woke that one of the movies that's now being considered an Oscar frontrunner is this movie called Green Book.

00:07:16.000 Nobody's gonna see this movie, it's already failing at the box office because it is obviously Oscar bait.

00:07:20.000 It is the story of basically a guy who didn't make The Sopranos, he's like an Italian mob reject, who's driving a gay black man through the South in 1962. 0.53

00:07:29.000 I know, riveting stuff.

00:07:32.000 Now, you can't wait to see it, right?

00:07:34.000 But, this is perfect to Oscar bait because it gets to say that Americans are simultaneously both rubes and good-hearted, both racist and wonderful, and that gay black people have so much to teach white Americans in every possible way, right? 0.59

00:07:45.000 It's this kind of movie.

00:07:47.000 Well, this movie was Oscar bait until Viggo Mortensen, who plays the Italian fellow, the Italian stereotype, until Viggo Mortensen went up on stage and he was talking about changes in the United States over the past 60 years, and he said there was a time in American history where people could casually use the word bleep.

00:08:02.000 And the word bleep was the N word.

00:08:04.000 And he just said it.

00:08:05.000 Oh, no.

00:08:06.000 Worst thing ever.

00:08:08.000 He pointed out that there was a time when people said the N word, but he said the N word in pointing out there was a time people said the N word.

00:08:15.000 That means he probably likes to say the N word.

00:08:18.000 So we now have to make sure that this movie wins no Oscars.

00:08:21.000 What I love is that Hollywood, in purging itself of anyone of a different viewpoint, of anyone who once made a joke, of anyone who makes a reference to something that happened in history, In purging themselves, they declare themselves tolerant and open-minded and empathetic.

00:08:35.000 Here's what Owen Gleiberman over at Variety writes.

00:08:37.000 This is the most publicity he will ever get, Owen Gleiberman.

00:08:40.000 Yes, that's right.

00:08:40.000 Black Panther is going to be nominated for Best Picture.

00:08:42.000 Which, come on.

00:08:42.000 I mean, I like Black Panther.

00:08:43.000 I gave it a good review.

00:08:44.000 And what exactly are movies about?

00:08:45.000 This year, they're about spectacular heroism and the liberation of new voices.

00:08:48.000 Black Panther.

00:08:49.000 Yes, that's right.

00:08:50.000 Black Panther is going to be nominated for Best Picture, which, come on.

00:08:55.000 I mean, I like Black Panther.

00:08:56.000 I gave it a good review.

00:08:56.000 I enjoyed the movie.

00:08:57.000 It was nominated for Best Picture.

00:08:59.000 The Death of Stalin was not nominated for Best Picture.

00:09:02.000 Black Panther is a B-plus, A-minus rate Marvel movie.

00:09:06.000 And it's gonna be nominated for Best Picture because woke!

00:09:09.000 Woke!

00:09:09.000 They're about love and heartbreak.

00:09:11.000 A star is born, which is not going to win.

00:09:12.000 They're about feminist desperation and delicious conniving. 1.00

00:09:15.000 The favorite, which is about lesbians in 1870s Britain or some such.

00:09:19.000 They're about the intersection of a time and a place and a family in Roma.

00:09:23.000 But what all great movies are about on some level is empathy.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, because that's what I do.

00:09:28.000 For me, when I decide to go out to a movie with my wife on Saturday night, what I say to her is, Sweetheart, which movie do you think is the most empathetic?

00:09:36.000 Let's go to that one.

00:09:37.000 Not the one with the explosions.

00:09:39.000 Not the one with, you know, Tom Cruise jumping into a moving helicopter or something.

00:09:44.000 The one that I desperately want to see is the one that is most empathetic.

00:09:48.000 That's my thing.

00:09:49.000 And if a movie doesn't have deep empathy, I don't want to see it.

00:09:53.000 I mean, it's the reason I love Taken. 0.88

00:09:54.000 It's because of the empathy underneath Liam Neeson saying that he's going to find you and he's going to kill you.

00:10:00.000 That's what I love most about Taken.

00:10:02.000 It's the reason that I really love Lord of the Rings.

00:10:04.000 It's about all the empathy.

00:10:05.000 It's not about, you know, the adventure or the plot or the character.

00:10:07.000 It's about the empathy.

00:10:09.000 And what's more, Hollywood is all about empathy.

00:10:11.000 That's what they are.

00:10:12.000 Owen Gladman says they have been.

00:10:14.000 And still are.

00:10:15.000 Movies, the supreme vehicle for putting ourselves in the shoes of people who aren't us. 0.89

00:10:19.000 To watch a great movie is to reduce that difference between the people on screen, whoever they might be, and the people in the audience, to nothing.

00:10:24.000 That, in a nutshell, is the miracle of movies.

00:10:26.000 These days, it's all too easy to talk about black films, or women's films, or gay films, or films for wizened retirees for Miami. 0.80

00:10:33.000 But the glory of cinema is that no movie is for any one person at the expense of anyone else.

00:10:36.000 They're all for everyone.

00:10:38.000 They're not just about crossing boundaries.

00:10:39.000 They're about melting them down.

00:10:41.000 And that's why we have to melt Kevin Hart down into nothing and destroy his career.

00:10:45.000 Because of empathy, guys.

00:10:47.000 Empathy!

00:10:47.000 It's why Viggo Mortensen can't win an Oscar this year.

00:10:49.000 It's because of empathy. 0.64

00:10:51.000 And the folks in Hollywood who are the most intolerant people, except when it comes to apparently First-name, first-line producers raping people.

00:10:58.000 Then they're super tolerant.

00:11:00.000 They're fine with that for, like, decades.

00:11:01.000 But an old joke by a comedian?

00:11:05.000 No!

00:11:06.000 We cannot do that.

00:11:07.000 The public scrutiny of what The Hollywood Report as the hundreds of problematic past jokes began with one particular bit in 2010.

00:11:14.000 As Yahoo explained Wednesday, in Hart's 2010 comedy special, Seriously Funny, he did a bit that had him saying that his biggest fear was his son growing up and being gay.

00:11:21.000 He said, keep in mind, I'm not homophobic.

00:11:22.000 I have nothing against gay people.

00:11:23.000 Be happy.

00:11:23.000 Do what you want.

00:11:24.000 But me, as a heterosexual male, if I can prevent my son from being gay, I will. 1.00

00:11:28.000 And then he launched into stories about how his son, then three, having his first gay moment with a friend and how he needs to nip it in the bud by screaming at it, at him, stop it, that's gay. 0.93

00:11:36.000 Hart has since spoken about the joke, saying that it was about his own insecurities as a parent, reiterating he's not homophobic, saying he wouldn't tell that joke today because when I said it, the Times weren't as sensitive as they are now.

00:11:44.000 That's really the issue, right?

00:11:45.000 The joke is the exact same thing, it's just everybody is way more sensitive now.

00:11:49.000 And let's be real about this.

00:11:50.000 What percentage of parents in America would prefer that their child be homosexual, with all the problems that entails, personal, political, and emotional?

00:12:00.000 Come on.

00:12:01.000 He's a comedian.

00:12:02.000 It's what he does for a living.

00:12:03.000 But I guess we can't have any nice things anymore.

00:12:05.000 GLAAD has sprung into action.

00:12:06.000 They contacted the Academy, and we'll get to Kevin Hart's abject apology.

00:12:11.000 In just one moment, then we'll talk about who really should host the Oscars in just one second. 0.97

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00:13:43.000 Okay, so Kevin Hart finally quit, and here is what he had to say about this.

00:13:48.000 Here is his explanation.

00:13:50.000 I just got a call from the Academy, and that call basically said, Kevin, apologize for your tweets of old, or we're going to have to move on and find another host.

00:14:01.000 Talking about the tweets from 2009-2010.

00:14:04.000 I chose to pass.

00:14:04.000 I passed on the apology.

00:14:06.000 The reason why I passed is because I've addressed this several times.

00:14:09.000 This is not the first time this has come up.

00:14:10.000 I've addressed it.

00:14:11.000 Regardless, Academy, I'm thankful and appreciative of the opportunity.

00:14:15.000 If it goes away, no harm, no foul.

00:14:17.000 Okay, but then he came out later and he did in fact issue an apology and then said that he would step away from this because he understood.

00:14:22.000 I'm sure he got calls from his agents telling him that he needed to step away or the gay and lesbian alliance against defamation would destroy his career.

00:14:30.000 Here's what he tweeted.

00:14:31.000 Oh, great.

00:14:31.000 I have made the choice to step down from hosting this year's Oscars.

00:14:33.000 This is because I do not want to be a distraction on a night that should be celebrated by so many amazing, talented artists.

00:14:38.000 I sincerely apologize to the LGBT community for my past and sensitive words from my past.

00:14:44.000 Oh, great.

00:14:45.000 Well, I guess the world is back to normal.

00:14:47.000 Everything's great.

00:14:47.000 Kevin Hart isn't hosting the Oscars.

00:14:49.000 Good job, everybody.

00:14:50.000 World saved.

00:14:51.000 You guys fixed everything in Hollywood.

00:14:52.000 Congratulations.

00:14:54.000 All I can say is hashtag OscarsSoWhite.

00:14:56.000 So, well done, everyone.

00:14:58.000 You got the short black man barred from the Oscars because you had to make sure that he did not outrank anybody else on the intersectionality scale.

00:15:04.000 Pretty amazing.

00:15:05.000 Joy Reid, by the way, over at MSNBC still has a job despite nearly identical post from a nearly identical period. 1.00

00:15:10.000 But that's because she is a black woman, not a black man. 0.76

00:15:13.000 And as we all know, that ranks her higher on the intersectional pyramid. 0.63

00:15:16.000 So she can get away with those old tweets that she claims somebody hacked her and placed into her internet archive, which is an obvious lie. 0.85

00:15:24.000 So, Kevin Hart.

00:15:25.000 We bid a fond farewell to you, and we see that you can no longer make a joke in American society eight years ago.

00:15:31.000 So, who exactly should host the Oscars?

00:15:33.000 Well, let's talk about this thing.

00:15:35.000 I think that perhaps Lena Dunham should host the Oscars. 0.98

00:15:38.000 Why?

00:15:38.000 Well, we know she's seriously funny.

00:15:40.000 We know she's funny because the critics keep telling us that Lena Dunham is super funny.

00:15:43.000 Now, Lena Dunham has never really done a funny thing, or, you know, written a funny thing, or said a funny thing, but we know she's funny because the woke critics tell us that she is very funny.

00:15:55.000 And what about this new scandal where it turns out that she lied about having evidence that her close friends did not engage in sexual assault?

00:16:03.000 How about the fact that she lied about that?

00:16:04.000 Shouldn't that bar her from the Oscars?

00:16:06.000 No!

00:16:07.000 No, it shouldn't!

00:16:08.000 Come on! 0.61

00:16:09.000 Why should that bar her from the Oscars?

00:16:12.000 Obviously, she was colonized by the patriarchy. 0.99

00:16:15.000 Okay, this is literally what she said.

00:16:16.000 She said that this is not her fault. 0.70

00:16:20.000 It's not because she's a creep and a bad person. 0.98

00:16:23.000 It's because she was colonized by patriarchy. 1.00

00:16:25.000 I am not kidding you.

00:16:27.000 She actually said this.

00:16:28.000 That it was the patriarchy that had taken over her brain.

00:16:30.000 Well, now that she's blamed the patriarchy, I guess we can move on, and Lena Dunham should host the Oscars. 1.00

00:16:34.000 I have another idea for hosting the Oscars as well, and this person would be Hannah Gadsby. 0.55

00:16:39.000 So Hannah Gadsby may, in fact, be the least funny person on planet Earth. 1.00

00:16:43.000 And I know, I have this running tally of people who are the least funny comedians and most annoying comedians on planet Earth, and Samantha Bee tops the list.

00:16:49.000 Why not Samantha Bee, by the way? 0.81

00:16:50.000 She's super woke.

00:16:51.000 I mean, she called Ivanka Trump a C-word.

00:16:53.000 I mean, that's woke as it gets right there, calling another woman the C-word.

00:16:57.000 Why not Samantha Bee? 0.89

00:16:58.000 I mean, she's a woman. 0.94

00:16:59.000 That's intersectional.

00:17:01.000 Okay, but maybe not Samantha Bee.

00:17:02.000 Maybe Samantha Bee isn't intersectional because she's a straight white woman, so we can't have her. 1.00

00:17:06.000 Well, let's think.

00:17:07.000 Who else could be on it?

00:17:08.000 Maybe Trevor Noah.

00:17:09.000 How about Trevor Noah?

00:17:09.000 He's a black guy.

00:17:10.000 We could have him, and he could just replace Kevin Hart.

00:17:13.000 He has a bunch of anti-Semitic tweets in his past, but nobody seems to care about that at all, because the Jews are not part of the intersectional coalition.

00:17:19.000 But I think the best pick of all, the best pick of all, the one that really sums up where we are comedically, and in terms of entertainment, and in terms of social media mobbing, is Hannah Gadsby. 0.58

00:17:28.000 Now, you will recall Hannah Gadsby from such specials as I'm as boring as hell and everyone praises me for it on Netflix.

00:17:35.000 That's not the actual title of her Netflix special, but it should have been.

00:17:38.000 It's a better title than, more accurate, Truth in Advertising.

00:17:41.000 Here's Hannah Gadsby. 0.58

00:17:42.000 If you've never seen Hannah Gadsby's work, consider yourself lucky, but not for long, because I'm going to play some of it for you.

00:17:47.000 She was at the Women in Entertainment Summit, and she gave a powerful speech, because this is what I want from my comedians.

00:17:53.000 Powerful speeches.

00:17:54.000 We need hard hitting. 0.75

00:17:56.000 You know why we need to talk about this line between good men and bad men?

00:18:00.000 Because it's only good men who get to draw that line.

00:18:01.000 people to reward movies no one has ever seen or will see.

00:18:05.000 That's what we need, Hollywood.

00:18:06.000 That's what we have all been demanding for years.

00:18:08.000 We need more Hannah Gadsby. 1.00

00:18:10.000 I want more of this.

00:18:12.000 This, Hannah Gadsby, go.

00:18:13.000 You know why we need to talk about this line between good men and bad men?

00:18:17.000 Because it's only good men who get to draw that line.

00:18:22.000 And guess what?

00:18:24.000 All men believe they are good. 0.98

00:18:28.000 Women should be in control of that line. 1.00

00:18:31.000 No question.

00:18:32.000 Oh, my.

00:18:34.000 The humor.

00:18:34.000 I mean, the wit.

00:18:36.000 When I listen to that, I go.

00:18:37.000 But that's just me laughing at her because she makes no sense.

00:18:41.000 But most people who listen to this, they think to themselves, is that a funny person?

00:18:46.000 Like a person with humor?

00:18:48.000 What was funny is when Hannah Gadsby came out with her Netflix special, there were reviews.

00:18:52.000 And the reviews were like, uh, it's not funny at all. 0.96

00:18:54.000 It's basically just a screechy lesbian yelling at us. 1.00

00:18:59.000 For an hour. 0.92

00:19:00.000 That's what the reviews said, but my favorite part of the reviews was like, yeah, so it's basically a motivated, politically oriented lesbian, and I just mentioned her sexuality because she makes this very much part of her monologues, you know, yelling at us for an hour. 1.00

00:19:14.000 But maybe the problem is us.

00:19:17.000 Maybe the problem is that humor itself has not been properly analyzed and properly experienced, and that humor itself is targeting.

00:19:26.000 I mean, it's the real humor.

00:19:28.000 The real comedy lies in there being no comedy at all.

00:19:32.000 It's like modern art.

00:19:33.000 Real art lies in an empty roll of toilet paper pasted to a poster board just like my daughter would do for a school project.

00:19:41.000 Maybe that's real art and now they're doing this with comedy.

00:19:43.000 Kevin Hart is not real comedy.

00:19:45.000 Kevin Hart is mean. 0.97

00:19:46.000 Kevin Hart is mean, because eight years ago, he joked about how he didn't want his three-year-old son to be gay. 0.98

00:19:51.000 My God!

00:19:52.000 But Hannah Gass... That's the new comedy. 1.00

00:19:54.000 And I just, I think that we should gear all of our entertainment toward the fulfillment of woke of woke expectations about life.

00:20:03.000 I think that would be the best thing.

00:20:04.000 Won't we all be happier then when nobody laughs ever and we all just sit around glaring at each other but knowing in our hearts that we're empathetic?

00:20:12.000 When we just sit around destroying each other's career by digging through each other's old tweets but we know deep in our heart we're doing it out of sympathy for the other?

00:20:18.000 Won't that make America so much better?

00:20:20.000 Ugh.

00:20:22.000 How the social media mobbing and the motivated social justice warrior left have made this country worse in virtually every possible way, it's on full display with regard to the Oscars.

00:20:32.000 Okay.

00:20:33.000 In just a second, I want to get to this big breaking story from the New York Times that President Trump long ago had illegals working at his golf club.

00:20:42.000 I know it's very, very important.

00:20:44.000 Plus, we're going to get to Democratic complaints about voter fraud in North Carolina.

00:20:47.000 What exactly is happening there?

00:20:48.000 We're going to break that down for you in just one second.

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00:22:28.000 So the New York Times is firmly convinced that now, again, they have President Trump in the crosshairs.

00:22:34.000 I know.

00:22:34.000 Very exciting stuff.

00:22:35.000 How are they going to get him this time?

00:22:37.000 They have a front page story.

00:22:39.000 A front page story about how there are illegal immigrants who have worked for President Trump's golf course in New Jersey.

00:22:47.000 Really, this is now front page.

00:22:48.000 Like, we rehashed all of this back in 2016, but now we're going to bring up this story again because empathy.

00:22:55.000 Empathy!

00:22:56.000 So, here's Miriam Jordan reporting.

00:22:58.000 During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump's bed, cleaned his toilet, and dusted his crystal golf trophies.

00:23:08.000 When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.

00:23:13.000 Because of the outstanding support she has provided during Mr. Trump's visits, Ms.

00:23:16.000 Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.

00:23:22.000 Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant worker.

00:23:24.000 Ms.

00:23:24.000 Morales' journey from cultivating corn in rural Guatemala to fluffing pillows at an exclusive golf resort took her from the southwest border, where she said she crossed illegally in 1999, to the Horace County of New Jersey, where she was hired at the Trump property in 2013 with documents she said were phony.

00:23:39.000 She said she was not the only worker at the club who was in the country illegally.

00:23:42.000 Well, here is the thing, okay?

00:23:46.000 This woman, and another woman named Sandra Diaz, who was undocumented when she worked at Bedminster between 2010 and 2013, they violated federal law.

00:23:52.000 Presumably they were using a false social security number.

00:23:55.000 The two women said they worked for years as part of a group of housekeeping, maintenance, and landscaping employees at the golf club that included a number of undocumented workers, though they could not say precisely how many.

00:24:04.000 There is no evidence.

00:24:05.000 I love this is buried down in paragraph 5 of this piece.

00:24:07.000 Paragraph 6?

00:24:08.000 There is no evidence that Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization executives knew of their immigration status.

00:24:14.000 But at least two supervisors at the club were aware of it, the women said, and took steps to help the workers evade detection and keep their jobs.

00:24:20.000 This whole article is designed to yell at President Trump because he's harsh on illegal immigration because there were illegal immigrants who worked for him.

00:24:28.000 Ooh! 0.96

00:24:28.000 Now, first of all, I'm from California. 0.96

00:24:30.000 That means that I know almost no one who has not had an illegal immigrant work for them.

00:24:35.000 Now, I'm a rarity in California in that I actually ask for evidence of citizenship before I employ somebody.

00:24:40.000 But I think I've told this story before.

00:24:42.000 I remember we were looking for a nanny for our youngest, for our oldest kid.

00:24:47.000 And there was a, we used an agency to try and find a nanny.

00:24:50.000 And we said straight at the beginning, we need somebody who is an American citizen.

00:24:54.000 And one of the women who interviewed, really nice lady who obviously just wanted to be here to work and At the end of the interview, we said, you know, we're interested in hiring you. 1.00

00:25:02.000 What do your papers look like?

00:25:05.000 And she said, oh, I don't have papers.

00:25:06.000 I'm undocumented.

00:25:08.000 I felt really terrible about it, obviously, because this is obviously a good person who is trying to just make a living.

00:25:14.000 That does not alleviate the problem of breaking the law.

00:25:17.000 And the New York Times writing these long pieces about how Donald J. Trump's golf course without his knowledge of hiring illegal immigrants, well that means that law enforcement is bad. 0.94

00:25:25.000 It's really a ridiculous, ridiculous emotional appeal.

00:25:28.000 Especially in a time when, let's be real about this, the people who are preventing All of us, from being able to rationally check whether somebody is an illegal immigrant before hiring them, those are the folks of the left. 0.92

00:25:39.000 The New York Times can't have it both ways.

00:25:41.000 Either it's bad that Donald J. Trump has illegal immigrants working at his New Jersey golf club, or it's good that he has them working at his golf club. 0.98

00:25:47.000 If it is bad that he has them working at his golf club, which presumably is what they're saying, then how can the New York Times be rooting For folks like Nancy Pelosi, who says that under no circumstances will the Democrats fund a border wall.

00:25:57.000 Here is the incoming Speaker of the House.

00:25:59.000 Well done, everybody.

00:26:00.000 Here she is discussing the non-existent border wall.

00:26:04.000 Most of us, speaking for myself, consider the wall immoral, ineffective, inexpensive.

00:26:12.000 And President said he promised it.

00:26:14.000 He also promised Mexico would pay for it.

00:26:16.000 So even if they did, it's immoral still, and then they're not going to pay for it.

00:26:20.000 So we have a responsibility, all of us, to secure our borders north, south, and coming in by plane on our coast.

00:26:29.000 We have a responsibility.

00:26:30.000 But nobody's going to do it.

00:26:32.000 North, south, east, west.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, she's really with it, Nancy Pelosi.

00:26:35.000 North, south, east, west.

00:26:36.000 From every direction.

00:26:37.000 From on top.

00:26:37.000 Digging tunnels.

00:26:38.000 On the bottom.

00:26:39.000 And Chuck Schumer also was criticizing President Trump for being harsh on the border.

00:26:43.000 He says that President Trump is risking a government shutdown with his temper tantrum over border funding.

00:26:48.000 We don't want to see the government shut down over Christmas.

00:26:51.000 Even though President Trump seems to brag that he wants one.

00:26:55.000 The only way, the one and only way, We approach a shutdown as if President Trump refuses both of our proposals and demands $5 billion or more for a border wall.

00:27:11.000 Okay, so solid stuff from the Democrats who are simultaneously complaining that illegal immigrants are working at Trump's golf course and then ensuring that illegal immigrants can work at President Trump's golf course. 0.67

00:27:20.000 Speaking of abiding by the law, the Democrats are very upset over what looks like pretty obvious election fraud in North Carolina's 9th congressional district.

00:27:28.000 There's a piece over at BuzzFeed News today about a guy named Chris Easton.

00:27:31.000 He's 47 years old, not registered to any political party, and he works in construction.

00:27:35.000 He's into camping and boating and has lived in this rural town most of his life.

00:27:39.000 What Chris Easton does not do is vote.

00:27:41.000 I just don't vote.

00:27:41.000 I don't believe in it.

00:27:42.000 Do nothing but lie anyway, Eason told BuzzFeed News about politicians.

00:27:45.000 But technically, Eason does vote.

00:27:47.000 He's just not the guy casting the ballot.

00:27:49.000 Eason told BuzzFeed News he signed a blank absentee ballot in the now-contested November 6th general election, didn't actually pick any candidates, and then handed the unsealed ballot to the man at the center of an unfolding election fraud scandal, a guy named McCray Dallas.

00:28:02.000 Sure enough, public records show his absentee ballot ended up signed, sealed, and witnessed to the county board of elections with Eason's name on it.

00:28:09.000 That's what I'm telling you.

00:28:09.000 McRae or whoever's doing this, they checked them boxes.

00:28:12.000 I didn't, said Eason.

00:28:13.000 I'd take a lie detector test on that.

00:28:15.000 It's unclear if any boxes were actually ticked off.

00:28:17.000 Election officials told BuzzFeed News that if a fully blank ballot were sent in, it would be registered and tabulated as zero votes.

00:28:23.000 Records show a ballot was registered for Eason in the November 6th race.

00:28:26.000 This information has been forwarded to our investigators, said the State Board of Elections and Ethics Enforcement spokesperson, Patrick Annan.

00:28:31.000 It is becoming pretty clear that there was election manipulation in this particular North Carolina congressional race.

00:28:37.000 CNN reports the Democrat Dan McCready, who got 905 fewer votes than Republican Mark Harris in this ninth district race, has now withdrawn his concession in that race.

00:28:46.000 The state elections board has refused to certify the results as it investigates potential misconduct with absentee ballots, making it the last undecided House contest in the country.

00:28:54.000 The board could ultimately order another election.

00:28:56.000 McCready had previously conceded the race to Harris, but withdrew that concession On Thursday, his reversal comes as the state elections board as well as local and state prosecutors investigate whether Leslie McCray Dallas, a veteran operative in Bladen County who was hired by a consulting firm, the Harris campaign paid 400 grand, altered absentee ballots or collected them from voters, but never turned them in.

00:29:15.000 Dallas earned more than 23 grand working on six campaigns dating back to 2010.

00:29:19.000 And in most of those races, Dallas candidates received a disproportionately higher percentage of absentee votes in Bladen County.

00:29:25.000 What was happening?

00:29:26.000 Well, apparently, McCray Dallas was going around and collecting absentee ballots from people like at their door and then filling them out as he pleased or discarding them as he pleased.

00:29:34.000 This is the allegation.

00:29:35.000 And then turning them in to screw with the voter counts.

00:29:38.000 Earlier on Thursday, North Carolina Republican Party Executive Director Dallas Woodhouse told CNN he would support a new election if the election board proves allegations of fraud are true and impacted the outcome of the race.

00:29:48.000 He said, We're not ready to call for a new election yet.

00:29:50.000 I think that we have to let the board of elections come show their hand if they can show this conceivably could have flipped the race in that neighborhood.

00:29:56.000 So who is this shadowy operative?

00:29:58.000 Who is Leslie McCray Dallas? 0.72

00:30:00.000 Well, according to the media, he is a Republican operative.

00:30:02.000 And he's an operative of the Republican Party who is seeking to skew elections purely on behalf of Republicans, on behalf of Mark Harris.

00:30:11.000 And that's what is happening here.

00:30:13.000 But there are some problems with that particular claim.

00:30:17.000 We'll get into Dallas's record and also concerns about voter fraud suddenly cropping up.

00:30:21.000 Amazing.

00:30:21.000 When Republicans worry about voter fraud, it's obviously fictitious.

00:30:24.000 When Democrats worry about voter fraud, it is obviously Republicans who are in favor of it.

00:30:28.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:33:52.000 So back to Leslie McRae Dallas.

00:33:58.000 So the Democrats are claiming that Republicans are engaged in voter fraud in North Carolina.

00:34:02.000 And it looks like one of the operatives was allegedly engaged in voter fraud in North Carolina, which is a serious, serious problem.

00:34:08.000 If so, they should invalidate the election.

00:34:10.000 But there's something that we should pay attention to here.

00:34:12.000 This Leslie McRae Dallas character, who is now under all sorts of scrutiny in the North Carolina 9th, because it would mean that the Democrats win 41 seats in the House.

00:34:20.000 The worst, by the way, off-year election loss by percentage terms, really since World War II, which is pretty brutal.

00:34:25.000 In any case, Leslie McCray Dallas has a long history of such activity, with Democrats too.

00:34:32.000 The problem is when Republicans complained about it, Democrats and the media ignored it.

00:34:36.000 Mr. Dallas has a felony record and a history of financial fraud, and his workers sparked what slowly swelled into another bitter electoral impasse in a state that seems perpetually engulfed by them.

00:34:46.000 The known claims are concentrated in Bladen County, which has about 33,000 residents, and the neighboring, far larger Robeson County.

00:34:52.000 Bladen County, where election officials work in a simple brick-and-glass building on South Cypress Street, just behind a shopping center with a Dollar General and a furniture store, recorded the state's highest rate of absentee ballot requests, 7.5% of registered voters, compared with less than 3% in most of those other 99 counties.

00:35:08.000 A strikingly large number of those ballots, 40%, were never returned.

00:35:11.000 In Robeson County, 62% were not returned.

00:35:14.000 No other county had a rate higher than 27 percent.

00:35:17.000 Harris won 61 percent of submitted absentee ballots in Bladen County.

00:35:21.000 Well, it turns out that Leslie McCray Dallas has a long history of working with various campaigns, various and sundry campaigns.

00:35:28.000 State records show that beginning in 2009, at least seven Democratic and Republican candidates paid him for work in local and state races, including campaigns for the legislature, district attorney and county sheriff.

00:35:39.000 Separately, Campaign finance records in Mecklenburg County showed that Mr. Dallas worked for a city council candidate in Charlotte, the state's largest city.

00:35:46.000 He was just a known figure, said former state representative Ken Waddell, a Democrat who hired Mr. Dallas after receiving a recommendation.

00:35:52.000 To me, it appeared like he just liked politics.

00:35:55.000 Mr. Waddell had no complaints about Mr. Dallas's integrity during the campaign, but recalled disagreements about where to place signs in the district.

00:36:01.000 Years earlier, though, Mr. Dallas's character had come into question after one of his employees died in an automobile accident.

00:36:07.000 The Fayetteville Observer reported in 1991 that Mr. Dallas and the woman he eventually married had, after the employee's death, taken out a six-figure life insurance policy in the man's name by forging a signature and backdating a document.

00:36:19.000 Dallas listed himself as the primary beneficiary and then collected benefits.

00:36:22.000 He was eventually sentenced to a short prison term, and now it turns that he was engaged in political fraud.

00:36:28.000 But after prison, In other words, this is just a bad guy with bipartisan ties.

00:36:31.000 as a Democrat.

00:36:31.000 He sought a seat on the local school board in 2014 and was defeated in a primary.

00:36:35.000 He was unaffiliated when he ran for the Soil and Water Conservation District Board in 2016.

00:36:39.000 He switched his party registration to Republican after the election.

00:36:42.000 In other words, this is just a bad guy with bipartisan ties.

00:36:46.000 The media only cover it when Republicans are implicated.

00:36:49.000 And they're not covering at all the possibility of election fraud in California.

00:36:53.000 It's a under There's no evidence of election fraud in California.

00:36:56.000 That's not the question in California.

00:36:57.000 There were 26 races.

00:36:59.000 In California, there are 26 seats that went Democrat on the night of the election.

00:37:05.000 There are a bunch of seats in California that were still up for grabs.

00:37:07.000 Every single one of them turned Democratic.

00:37:09.000 This has led a bunch of people in the intelligentsia, folks like Nate Silver, the elections analyst, to say, right, because all of the ballots that were counted after, all the absentee ballots that came in, those are disproportionately Democratic voters who are voting.

00:37:22.000 Okay, so we shouldn't be suspicious of those at all.

00:37:25.000 Well, I'm a little suspicious, not that there are people who are necessarily forging ballots, although we don't know, because you don't know until you know, but I am suspicious of a procedure that makes room for exactly that sort of fraud.

00:37:38.000 According to Andrew O'Reilly over at Fox News, Despite holding substantial leads on Election Day, many Republican candidates in California saw their advantage shrink and then disappear, as late-arriving Democratic votes were counted in the weeks following the election.

00:37:50.000 While no hard evidence is available, many observers point to the Democrats' use of ballot harvesting as a key to their success in the elections.

00:37:56.000 Now, regardless of whether you think that election fraud took place in California, this is an awful law.

00:38:03.000 Anecdotally, there was a lot of evidence that ballot harvesting was going on, said Neil Kelly, the registrar for votes in Southern California's Orange County.

00:38:10.000 In Orange County, once seen as a Republican stronghold in the state, every House seat went to a Democrat after an unprecedented 250,000 vote-by-mail drop-offs were counted, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

00:38:20.000 So what is ballot harvesting?

00:38:21.000 Democrats say, oh, that's just everyone voting.

00:38:23.000 But what ballot harvesting is, ballot harvesting suggests that if I have an absentee ballot, it can only be turned in if I mail it, if I mail it myself, or if I give it to a family member to turn in.

00:38:34.000 In California, they changed the law.

00:38:36.000 Now, anyone can turn in anybody else's ballot.

00:38:39.000 So this means that Democratic operatives have been paid to go door-to-door and pick up people's ballots in order to bring them to the ballot box.

00:38:47.000 Do you think that they're going to be even-handed in how they collect those ballots?

00:38:51.000 Do you think that they are going to collect all the ballots and try to turn them in?

00:38:54.000 It's about every vote being counted or every Democrat vote being counted.

00:38:56.000 And besides that, why should we believe that partisans would never, ever, ever pick up a ballot that has, for example, an empty slot left in the governor's race and just fill it in?

00:39:07.000 Doesn't this leave room for a bit of fraud?

00:39:09.000 Wouldn't you want non-partisan election officials, I don't know, overseeing elections?

00:39:14.000 According to Neal Kelly, the registrar of voters, he said people were carrying in stacks of 100 and 200 of them.

00:39:19.000 We had multiple people calling to ask if these people were allowed to do this.

00:39:23.000 Two years ago, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law AB 1921, which legalized the so-called practice of ballot harvesting.

00:39:29.000 That's exactly what I was talking about before.

00:39:31.000 Democrats in the state argued that the bill was meant to make it easier for people to vote.

00:39:36.000 But this seems kind of weird to me.

00:39:38.000 Doesn't it seem weird to you?

00:39:39.000 But it's not weird, because obviously, obviously, when Democrats engage in ballast harvesting, there's no possibility of fraud.

00:39:45.000 It is only when a clear fraud is shown on behalf of a Republican, then we have to worry about voter fraud.

00:39:51.000 Otherwise, we just have to pretend that there is no problem whatsoever in any of this in our elections.

00:39:56.000 Integrity is just magic.

00:39:58.000 It's just great.

00:39:59.000 Everything is just fine.

00:40:00.000 Except, of course, It probably is not just fine.

00:40:03.000 OK, meanwhile, there has been a lot of talk in recent days about the supposed election, election ridiculousness that is happening in the aftermath of Republicans losing the governorship in Wisconsin.

00:40:16.000 A lot of talk about how the Republicans in Wisconsin are restricting, restricting the ability of the governor to do things in Wisconsin.

00:40:23.000 Now that there's a Democrat in charge of the governor's house in Wisconsin, people say, oh, look, this is election fraud.

00:40:28.000 This is the this is tyranny.

00:40:30.000 It's tyranny.

00:40:32.000 It's not tyranny.

00:40:32.000 If you don't like what the legislature is doing, legally speaking, you know it is a great way to stop them from doing it.

00:40:38.000 A great way to stop them from doing that is to, I don't know, elect Democrats to the legislature.

00:40:43.000 Noah Rothman has a good piece over at Commentary Magazine today.

00:40:47.000 He says, He says, have you heard there's a coup underway in Wisconsin?

00:40:51.000 When the Democrats had to retake the statehouse in January, Wisconsin Republicans convened a lame-duck session of the legislature with the intention of passing a series of bills aimed at curbing the new governor's authority.

00:41:00.000 The measures cover a range of activity.

00:41:02.000 There's transferring the power of appointments to an economic development board back to the legislature, prohibiting the governor from banning guns in the state capitol, and unilaterally withdrawing from the state legal challenges to Obamacare without legislative consent.

00:41:14.000 And so people are like, oh my gosh, look at them.

00:41:15.000 They're trying to curb the power of the governor.

00:41:18.000 Except that this stuff has been happening for years.

00:41:21.000 This has been happening for years.

00:41:22.000 As Case Western University law professor Jonathan Adler helpfully reminded American political observers in 2016, attempts by partisan legislators to handcuff incoming executives of the other party is practically tradition in North Carolina.

00:41:34.000 When the governor's mansion changed hands in 72, 84, and 88, legislative Democrats were behind the effort to rein in the new Republican governor's appointment power.

00:41:42.000 And that's not just in North Carolina.

00:41:44.000 Following a statewide electoral rebellion against New Jersey Governor Jim Florio in 1991, the Democratic Party lost control of both legislative chambers.

00:41:52.000 On the eve of decennial reapportionment, and with New Jersey set to lose a congressional seat, that would have left Republicans in control of the federal redistricting process.

00:42:00.000 So legislative Democrats spent the lame duck session ceding legislative redistricting authority to an independent commission.

00:42:06.000 When Republican Bruce Rauner won an upset victory over Illinois Governor Pat Quinn, legislative Democrats moved in the lame duck to truncate the length of the term to which the governor could appoint a comptroller.

00:42:16.000 Had former Massachusetts Senator John Kerry been elected to the presidency in 2004, Governor Mitt Romney would have been legally obliged to appoint his replacement to the U.S.

00:42:23.000 Senate.

00:42:24.000 That replacement presumably would have been a Republican.

00:42:26.000 The Democrats in the state legislature couldn't have that, so they overrode Romney's veto and stripped his office of senatorial appointment power.

00:42:33.000 In Massachusetts.

00:42:34.000 Oh, look at this.

00:42:35.000 These power grabs.

00:42:36.000 They're so undemocratic.

00:42:38.000 You know what actually happens when these power grabs happen?

00:42:40.000 Either the people are unhappy with them and then they backlash against the legislature, or they are not unhappy at them.

00:42:47.000 And this whole thing is just insane.

00:42:50.000 The fact that normal politics as it operates is a business in which people Break each other's heads, but that we only as a media pay attention to when one side's head is broken is really absurd in every possible way. 0.95

00:43:03.000 It's really ridiculous.

00:43:04.000 Okay, now I do want to make a quick comment on the justice reform bill, the criminal justice reform bill that is now moving its way through the Senate.

00:43:13.000 There are a lot of questions about whether this thing should pass or not.

00:43:15.000 I will admit to being conflicted about it.

00:43:17.000 I have friends on both sides of this particular debate politically.

00:43:20.000 And by nature, I'm somebody who likes to see criminals stay in jail for longer.

00:43:24.000 I'm not a big believer that releasing criminals from jail tends to end with them in happy jobs because just generally the recidivism rates for people, particularly in federal prison, are extraordinarily high.

00:43:35.000 With that said...

00:43:36.000 Is there a case to be made that people are being kept in prison for too long for nonviolent crimes, for example, after showing evidence of good behavior?

00:43:43.000 I think there's a case to be made with regard to that.

00:43:45.000 I just think that we ought to be very wary about who we release from these prisons.

00:43:48.000 With that said, the First Step Act seems to be a moderately drafted bill.

00:43:53.000 The debate over the bill is basically between two sides.

00:43:56.000 One that says we can't allow governors more capacity to let prisoners out of prison.

00:44:00.000 And another side saying, well, We do need to make provision for people who have participated in good behavior.

00:44:06.000 Mike Lee is on one side, Tom Cotton is on the other.

00:44:08.000 Tom Cotton says that the First Step Act is bad.

00:44:11.000 He says that instead of early release, proponents say it merely provides incentives for inmates to participate in programs, but he says this is nothing but a euphemism.

00:44:19.000 If the bill is passed, thousands of federal offenders, including violent felons and sex offenders, will be released earlier than they would be under current law.

00:44:26.000 Mike Lee says that's not true.

00:44:28.000 The governor and the wardens of the particular prisons, they have to determine, usually the wardens and the parole officers, have to determine that somebody is non-violent before these people can be released back into society, which is generally how this stuff works anyway.

00:44:40.000 It just makes them easier to do all of this.

00:44:42.000 I'm not averse to the idea that if people have paid their debts to society, they should be let out of prison.

00:44:46.000 I am deeply wary of changes made to the criminal justice system that make it easier for wardens to Unleash criminals back into society in order to save money on budgets, for example.

00:44:58.000 And I know there are folks who are skeptical that that will happen.

00:45:00.000 I live in California.

00:45:01.000 The governor did it here.

00:45:02.000 So I'm not quite as skeptical that there won't be political actors who seize on federal legislation to try and let people out of prison as early as possible and then hide the crime statistics, which is what's happened in California.

00:45:14.000 Okay.

00:45:15.000 Time for a bit of mailbag.

00:45:17.000 So, let's see what we got here.

00:45:19.000 Grace says, Hi Ben, I really enjoyed the Sunday special conversation you had with Pastor John MacArthur.

00:45:23.000 I was wondering if you'd tell us why you decided specifically to have Maude.

00:45:26.000 Was it your personal decision to do so, or do you have a team that decides which guests to invite?

00:45:29.000 Also, could you share some of your thoughts about that conversation?

00:45:32.000 How do you think it went?

00:45:32.000 Were there things you wanted to say you didn't?

00:45:34.000 Thank you for all that you do to expand civil conversation and open dialogue.

00:45:37.000 So, there are a bunch of folks in the office who are fans of Pastor MacArthur.

00:45:41.000 I honestly had never really engaged with his material, And I was eager to speak with people who were ardent Christians in the lead up to Christmas.

00:45:51.000 It is that time of the year, and so in the past several weeks, and in the coming weeks, on the Sunday special we have had on John MacArthur, we're having on David Limbaugh on this Sunday special.

00:46:00.000 I believe that Bishop Barron is coming in in the near future to discuss religion.

00:46:04.000 I love these religious conversations.

00:46:06.000 Also, so I will say that when it comes to the Sunday Conversation, the format that I use for the Sunday Conversation, the Sunday Special, is typically that I am pretty deferential toward the guest.

00:46:15.000 So I don't like to get into debate on specifics very often.

00:46:19.000 I like to stay and keep it at kind of a 30,000-foot level on big ideas because you only have an hour.

00:46:25.000 If you're asking me what I would have analyzed differently if I had more time, I certainly would have gotten into an analysis of Isaiah 53 with Pastor MacArthur, because the Jewish analysis of Isaiah 53, which is usually used as the proof text by Christians of Jesus' coming, that, in the Jewish view, is a bad misread of the Hebrew version of Isaiah 53, which is clearly referencing the corporate Jewish people as an individual And the way that you know this is that in Isaiah 49, Isaiah does exactly the same thing.

00:46:52.000 So the suffering servant passage that is very often used as the proof text is interpreted very differently by Jews.

00:46:57.000 That was the one area where I wish we had had more time to delve into it, but to do that would have required us to go verse by verse and actually analyze the verses, the way that they are written, and what they meant, and all of that, and that's pretty abstruse stuff.

00:47:08.000 As far as the overall conversation, I thought it was fascinating.

00:47:11.000 Obviously there are places of disagreement, but You know, my goal when it comes to discussing religion is very often to allow people to clarify their own views.

00:47:20.000 And if I'm going to argue, the purpose of the argument is to allow that clarification to happen, not for me to defeat anyone in that particular argument.

00:47:27.000 Joshua says, hey, Ben, Intersectionality is one of the biggest things people like you, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin all raise awareness of and try to fight.

00:47:35.000 My question is, when did the idea and name intersectionality first come about?

00:47:38.000 Love the show and all your speeches.

00:47:39.000 Can't wait to hear you speak in DC next month.

00:47:41.000 Thank you.

00:47:42.000 I appreciate it.

00:47:42.000 I'm speaking at the March for Life next month.

00:47:44.000 When it comes to the philosophy of intersectionality, that philosophy really begins in the 1960s, when a lot of folks on the left basically suggested that American society was deeply racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, and that the only way to fight back against those structures was to band together in a coalition of the dispossessed.

00:48:02.000 Gloria Steinem wrote that women and other victimized groups could not actually achieve self-esteem in the current system. 0.98

00:48:07.000 She wrote that instead, victims would have to bond, quote, with others who share similar experiences.

00:48:12.000 From groups of variously abled people to conferences of indigenous nations, bonding with others in shared power, taking one's place in a circle of true selves.

00:48:19.000 This is the idea of the left.

00:48:20.000 The term itself was coined by a woman named Kimberly Crenshaw of Columbia University, and she came up with the term to describe this coalition of victims.

00:48:26.000 It was called intersectionality.

00:48:28.000 What she said was that human beings are members of various groups, racial groups and gender groups and religious groups and sexual orientation groups, and we can describe their lived realities by referring to the intersection between these groups.

00:48:38.000 So, you're not an individual, you are a white heterosexual Christian male.

00:48:42.000 Or you're not an individual, you're a black female lesbian Muslim. 1.00

00:48:45.000 And these are different realities. 0.73

00:48:46.000 Each one of these group identities is a different reality, and they intersect, and that's what creates you.

00:48:51.000 And so we can then, on the basis of that, determine how victimized you have been in American society.

00:48:56.000 Crenshaw herself acknowledged that the idea was to bully people who were not members of the intersectional groups, to force them to check their privilege.

00:49:02.000 She explains, quote, acknowledging privilege is hard, particularly for those who also experience discrimination and exclusion.

00:49:07.000 But they must acknowledge such privilege or be accused of complicity in institutional racism.

00:49:12.000 So that's where it comes from.

00:49:13.000 That's the background of intersectionality.

00:49:15.000 It is an evil ideology that divides people by group and deliberately does so in order to tear down the supposed hierarchy, keeping victims in place.

00:49:23.000 Carla says, should the U.S. 0.98

00:49:24.000 do anything about Venezuela?

00:49:25.000 Well, first of all, we should ratchet up whatever sanctions we can on Venezuela.

00:49:30.000 It depends.

00:49:31.000 When it comes to purely humanitarian, purely humanitarian interventions, the question is always cost and benefit.

00:49:37.000 Let's say that we could depose the Maduro regime in Venezuela with very little cost.

00:49:41.000 Should we do it?

00:49:41.000 Sure.

00:49:42.000 Yeah, I mean, it depends on the level of cost.

00:49:44.000 Should we have a plan for what happens afterward?

00:49:46.000 Yes.

00:49:47.000 When you have a country in relatively close proximity to your own that is collapsing into people eating dogs on the street and dying of starvation, if you can help, then you should, because these things tend to have externalities, including mass immigration into the United States.

00:50:01.000 But that does raise the question of what the costs and the benefits are, and if we're not aware of those costs and benefits of intervention, you can easily get sucked into being the quote unquote world's policeman.

00:50:12.000 Matthew says, Ben, why are natural, non-natural born citizens not allowed to be president, but are allowed to be in the legislature? 0.81

00:50:19.000 Well, this is, originally the idea here was that we wanted natural born citizens to be president because we wanted people to have a sort of innate love of the land We wanted them to grow up here.

00:50:29.000 We didn't want people who were immigrants coming here at age 37 becoming president at age 39 because they didn't sort of imbibe the social fabric of the United States. 1.00

00:50:40.000 I think the argument still holds.

00:50:42.000 I'm not sure that it holds quite as much now as it did back in 1789 when immigration was basically a question of, were you born?

00:50:52.000 There was such a division.

00:50:53.000 I mean, historically speaking, there was a division between people who were new immigrants to the United States after the Revolutionary War and people who had immigrated to the United States and been part of a historic conflict with the mother country.

00:51:02.000 Because it turns out that in those days, most of the people immigrating were still coming from another country that had just fought a war with the people who were in the United States.

00:51:08.000 I think there was a lot of fear that a new immigrant would come here, and then you'd get basically a Tory reconciliation with the crown.

00:51:15.000 Let's see.

00:51:15.000 Michael says, Hey Ben, I live in Birmingham, Alabama.

00:51:17.000 We had a shooting recently at a local mall.

00:51:21.000 at a local mob.

00:51:24.000 Protesters have been shutting down roads and businesses for the past week because of it.

00:51:27.000 They're also contacting the employers of people who criticize them online and getting them fired.

00:51:30.000 Do you think this mob rule threat has an end in the near future?

00:51:32.000 Is there anything we can do on the ground to stop this fascistic threat?

00:51:35.000 Thanks for taking my question.

00:51:36.000 I think that the social media mobbing is not gonna stop anytime in the near future.

00:51:40.000 That would require people to go weapons down, and I don't think that's going to happen.

00:51:44.000 I think people have too much of an incentive to destroy each other.

00:51:47.000 They get virtue points, all their friends pat them on the back, and they figure we'll never come around and eat them.

00:51:52.000 It will.

00:51:55.000 I do not.

00:51:56.000 I wish that I had the time to do so.

00:51:58.000 I used to play fantasy baseball, but I don't really have the time, unfortunately.

00:52:02.000 Love the show.

00:52:03.000 Christians have the book of revelations, but what is the Jewish viewpoint on end times, the end of the world?

00:52:07.000 So there's a lot of, just like everything else in Judaism, a lot of argument over what happens in the end times.

00:52:12.000 I tend to hold by my monadian perspective that in the end times, basically a political revolution will take place in which The Jewish state is recognized in which peace becomes the natural state of the world to a certain extent, in which the Jews are left alone and respected, in which monotheism becomes the dominant way of life, and that nothing else will really change. 0.62

00:52:36.000 That's Maimonides' view.

00:52:36.000 There are other views that suggest that miracles will take place and that things will change radically, and that in the end, the more Kabbalistic view is that human beings will, they're sort of a spiritual A spiritual end of the world in which human beings reunite with God in a spiritual way, and that's sort of the end of the physical world, but that one is way down the line.

00:52:54.000 Okay, one more question.

00:52:55.000 Let's see.

00:53:00.000 Okay, so I'll do two more in distinction to what my producers want me to do.

00:53:07.000 So John says, in a recent episode, you said you believe Jimmy Carter's an exorable human being.

00:53:11.000 Why do you believe that?

00:53:11.000 I believe he's an exorable human being because he travels over to the Middle East, hangs out with terrorist groups, and blames the Jews for their own existence.

00:53:19.000 That's why I think he's an exorable human being, even though there are certain parts of his record that are wonderful, like helping homeless people and Habitat for Humanity.

00:53:27.000 I think that he is self-absorbed, I think he is terrorist-friendly, and I think that his perspective on politics is infused with a deep-seated level of anti-Semitism.

00:53:39.000 Lee says, Dear Ben, Last semester I took a course in body image detailing the problems of beauty sexualization and ideal appearance in American and Western culture.

00:53:45.000 Predictably, it promoted body positivity, disowned white privilege beauty, and somehow insinuated in our material that the rise of the late 80s and 90s strict beauty trends stemmed from conservatism.

00:53:55.000 Of course.

00:53:56.000 I personally believe that trends of promoting body positivity, specifically plus sizes and above, are doing more harm than good.

00:54:01.000 Same time, I think our culture is becoming more and more sexualized by the year.

00:54:04.000 I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on the matter.

00:54:06.000 Where do you think beauty and sexual promotion in advertising and media should be more restrained, since some still need to rely on models to promote swimwear, lingerie, and other consumer products?

00:54:14.000 Thanks.

00:54:14.000 Okay, so first of all, I have serious doubts that Western standards of beauty are simply a result of a bunch of men getting together in a room and voting on what's hot.

00:54:22.000 I don't think that's how this works.

00:54:24.000 I think that biology dictates what men are into, and Maybe it changes based on the area of the world in which you are, that the sort of correlation between the health of a woman and her weight, for example, differs by culture.

00:54:37.000 That it used to be that in a lot of older cultures, if a woman was slightly overweight, if she was slightly soft-egged, this was an indicator of more health than if she was really rail-thin because maybe she had tuberculosis or something.

00:54:48.000 But, you know, those are social cues to a certain extent, and those are biological cues to a certain extent.

00:54:54.000 The idea that men have ever been into What we would consider unattractive women is not true.

00:54:59.000 It's just not a thing.

00:55:01.000 And the idea that all beauty standards are simply social byproducts is not true either.

00:55:08.000 As far as the question of promoting body positivity, Listen, I think that people should feel positive about their body to the extent that their body does what it needs them to do.

00:55:16.000 Meaning, are they healthy?

00:55:17.000 Are they attractive enough to attract a mate? 0.73

00:55:20.000 Are they going to live a long time?

00:55:21.000 Can they function?

00:55:23.000 That's what we should really be worried about.

00:55:24.000 And that's what I'm going to teach my daughter.

00:55:26.000 And that's what my sisters believe also, is that you want to be beautiful for your spouse because you don't want your spouse to be unhappy with how you look.

00:55:32.000 But really what weight is about, for example, is health more than simply beauty standards.

00:55:37.000 Because as we all get older, we all get less beautiful. 0.78

00:55:39.000 With that said, the idea that everyone is equally healthy at 200 pounds is just absurd, and that part is just silly.

00:55:46.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I like, and then a couple of things that I hate, and then we'll leave.

00:55:52.000 So, things that I like.

00:55:54.000 Since it is Hanukkah, we'd be remiss if we didn't play a little bit of Hanukkah music.

00:55:57.000 The most famous Hanukkah song is a song called Ma'oz Tzur.

00:56:00.000 It is also known by people who are not Jewish.

00:56:02.000 As rock of ages, here's a little bit of the audio of the Israeli Philharmonic playing Ma'oz Sur Yeshua Ti, rock of ages, hear my prayer.

00:56:11.000 Here it is.

00:56:12.000 Now, it's a beautiful tune, and the actual lyrics are hardcore.

00:56:40.000 Okay, the actual lyrics to Mao Zedong, hardcore lyrics.

00:56:42.000 Oh, mighty stronghold of my salvation, to praise you is a delight.

00:56:45.000 Restore my house of prayer, and there we will bring a thanksgiving offering.

00:56:47.000 So far, so good.

00:56:48.000 When you will have prepared the slaughter for the blaspheming foe, then I shall complete with a song of hymn the dedication of the altar. 0.97

00:56:54.000 Reminding you, Hanukkah was about a war.

00:56:57.000 So that was a thing.

00:56:59.000 And then it keeps going and talks about the history of the Jewish people.

00:57:02.000 It talks about the Purim story.

00:57:04.000 It talks about the story about the days of the Chashmonaim, the Hasmoneans.

00:57:10.000 Uh, Greeks gathered against me then in Hasmonean days.

00:57:13.000 They breached the walls of my towers.

00:57:14.000 They defiled all the oils.

00:57:15.000 And from the one remnant of the flasks, a miracle was wrought for the roses.

00:57:18.000 Men of Insight, eight days established for song and jubilation.

00:57:21.000 Bear your holy arm and hasten the end for salvation.

00:57:23.000 Avenge the vengeance of your servant's blood from the wicked nation. 0.99

00:57:26.000 For the triumph is too long delayed for us and there is no end to days of evil.

00:57:29.000 Repel the red one in the nethermost shadow.

00:57:31.000 That'd be Esau, uh, which would be the Roman Empire.

00:57:35.000 and the Greek empire in the nethermost shadow and established for us the seven shepherds.

00:57:39.000 I said some mystical connotations at the end about the coming of the Messiah.

00:57:42.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate, and then we'll get out of here for the weekend. 0.97

00:57:46.000 So the stupidest thing that I've seen this week, and there have been a lot of stupid things, a male acapella group at Princeton University has pulled a Disney movie song from its act. 0.96

00:57:58.000 What was the Disney movie song? 0.99

00:57:59.000 You can guess.

00:58:00.000 It was Kiss the Girl.

00:58:02.000 Okay, here's the story according to the Associated Press.

00:58:05.000 The Princeton Tigertones have performed Kiss the Girl, a song from The Little Mermaid, for years.

00:58:08.000 During performances at the Ivy League school, a female audience member would be brought on stage to decide whether or not a man from the crowd could kiss her.

00:58:14.000 Noah Wallstein, who wrote the column, claimed... There's a woman who wrote a column saying that it promoted toxic masculinity. 0.99

00:58:19.000 She claimed the song's message is misogynistic and that too many women have been pulled on stage for unwanted encounters. 0.88

00:58:25.000 I have seen a queer student brought on stage to have uncomfortably pushed away her forced male companion. 0.99

00:58:29.000 I have heard of unwilling girls being subjected to their first kisses. 1.00

00:58:32.000 I have watched mothers who have come to see their child's performance be pulled up to the stage only to have tension generated between them and the kid they came to support.

00:58:39.000 Okay, the whole point is that you can say no, and I'm sure it's probably pretty funny if you go to a performance and they're singing Kiss the Girl and the girl's like, no.

00:58:47.000 I'm sure that's actually part of the humor of this.

00:58:50.000 Lighten up.

00:58:51.000 Lighten up.

00:58:52.000 My goodness.

00:58:54.000 I mean, do people really have time to be this miserable all the time?

00:58:58.000 Oh my God.

00:58:59.000 Somebody did a performance of a song from a children's movie from 1989.

00:59:03.000 No!

00:59:04.000 No!

00:59:04.000 And by the way, people were like, oh look, what was sexist in the movie as well.

00:59:08.000 No, it wasn't sexist.

00:59:09.000 Ariel was in love with Eric.

00:59:10.000 She was pursuing him, right?

00:59:13.000 She was pursuing him and she didn't have a voice.

00:59:15.000 She couldn't say no.

00:59:17.000 And what I do like about the song, Kiss the Girl, Is that it is actually a good description of how it is to kiss a girl.

00:59:25.000 I know that the left thinks the way that you kiss a girl is that you actually take out a signed contract with a notary, like a public notary with a fingerprint, and then you get fingerprinted and notarized the consent form.

00:59:35.000 And then you can kiss the girl, but only to the extent that she has indicated on the form 363.

00:59:41.000 Right, so, will there be open-mouthing or no open-mouthing?

00:59:44.000 Right, they have to check a box?

00:59:46.000 That's not actually how things work. 0.95

00:59:47.000 You dolts. 0.99

00:59:48.000 Okay, so, making life more miserable every day. 0.99

00:59:50.000 Speaking of making life more miserable every day, a Cleveland radio station has now pulled the Christmas date rape song, Baby, It's Cold Outside. 0.99

00:59:57.000 I know this has become a common complaint now for folks on the left that the lyrics to Baby, It's Cold Outside are about women being raped. 0.99

01:00:04.000 It's a creepy rape song. 0.98

01:00:05.000 No one for 50 years thought it was a creepy rape song.

01:00:09.000 Nobody was in their basement going, baby, it's cold outside. 1.00

01:00:12.000 Now I'm gonna go kidnap a girl and rape her. 1.00

01:00:15.000 What in the absolute F? 1.00

01:00:17.000 I mean, it's just, it's so ridiculous and so insane. 0.99

01:00:22.000 The Star 102 midday host said in an interview, people might say, oh, enough with the Me Too, but if you really put that aside and listen to the lyrics, it's not something I would want my daughter to be in that kind of situation.

01:00:29.000 Okay, well, I'm glad that radio stations have decided to ban all rap music forever.

01:00:34.000 I'm glad they've decided to ban every other rock song that's ever been written.

01:00:38.000 I'm glad that they've decided that they are now going to deconstruct the culture with me, uncover the messages, and then ban all the songs.

01:00:44.000 At least when I deconstruct the culture, it's to make you aware of what people are saying in their songs.

01:00:48.000 It's not to just destroy the songs wholesale.

01:00:50.000 It's amazing how the left has become censorious, much more censorious than the right has been any time in the recent past.

01:00:56.000 Just incredible stuff.

01:00:57.000 Okay.

01:00:57.000 Well, we will be back here on Monday to break down all the latest developments.

01:01:00.000 I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - December 07, 2018

Shot Through The Hart | Ep. 675

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