The Ben Shapiro Show - Shutdown Showdown | Ep. 678

00:00:00.000 President Trump faces off with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the Oval Office, Google goes to the hill, and another terror attack rocks France.

00:00:07.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:01:48.000 Okay, so, the big news yesterday, obviously, was that President Trump faced down Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the Oval Office.

00:01:55.000 Now, I'm not a fan of these sorts of meetings.

00:01:59.000 I don't know, for example, why President Trump, if he wanted to meet with the leadership of the incoming Congress, didn't meet with Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell.

00:02:07.000 Why he met with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer You know, Chuck Schumer doesn't have tons of power in the Senate, considering that he is still in the minority.

00:02:14.000 With that said, the president did something smart.

00:02:17.000 President Trump did something very smart.

00:02:18.000 He said, we are going to negotiate in front of these cameras.

00:02:20.000 Now, Nancy Pelosi did not want to negotiate in front of the cameras. 1.00

00:02:24.000 She was upset about this.

00:02:25.000 She said in front of Trump, I don't want to negotiate in front of the cameras.

00:02:27.000 It would just be terrible.

00:02:28.000 And Trump was like, I don't care.

00:02:30.000 We're doing this thing.

00:02:31.000 And then they just went at each other.

00:02:33.000 And that was good for President Trump, I think.

00:02:35.000 So President Trump did some good things and some bad things.

00:02:37.000 I mean, this was case study in good Trump, bad Trump.

00:02:39.000 President Trump did some good things and some bad things.

00:02:41.000 The good thing that he did was he forced the Democrats to defend their position that they would never fund a border wall, that they would not fund border security, and that, in fact, they'd be willing to shut down the government in order to prevent funding For border security, because it's pretty much the only thing Democrats don't want to spend money on.

00:02:56.000 They want to spend money on federal sponsorship for lesbian dance theory in college, but they don't want to spend money on supporting our southern border needs. 0.94

00:03:04.000 So President Trump making them say that in front of the cameras is a very good thing.

00:03:08.000 A not so good thing is when the president then says, well, you know what?

00:03:11.000 I'll be blamed for the shutdown.

00:03:12.000 Fine.

00:03:13.000 Do it.

00:03:14.000 The reason being, Not that Republicans should fear a shutdown.

00:03:17.000 I think that Republicans have always been far too afraid of a shutdown.

00:03:20.000 I don't like it when Republican politicians say things like, oh, a government shutdown, it would just be so terrible.

00:03:26.000 Why?

00:03:26.000 We've had several of them.

00:03:28.000 Has anyone died?

00:03:29.000 Have people been keeling over in the streets?

00:03:31.000 Was there a zombie apocalypse?

00:03:33.000 Was it like Shaun of the Dead?

00:03:35.000 None of that happened.

00:03:37.000 It wasn't 21 days later.

00:03:38.000 It wasn't people just wandering the streets in bloodlust, cannibalizing one another.

00:03:42.000 It wasn't the Purge when there was a government shutdown.

00:03:44.000 All that happened is that a few non-essential government employees didn't go to work that day.

00:03:48.000 By the way, if you're a non-essential government employee, I would suggest that perhaps you shouldn't be working in the government.

00:03:54.000 All the employees at The Daily Wire are essential.

00:03:56.000 Congratulations, guys, you're all essential.

00:03:57.000 But if you are not, if you were a non-essential employee of The Daily Wire, you would not be working here.

00:04:03.000 I don't understand why we have non-essential employees of the federal government in the first place.

00:04:06.000 And whenever there's a government shutdown, we are told by the press, by the Democrats, end of the world.

00:04:11.000 People will die.

00:04:13.000 Not true.

00:04:13.000 Mandatory government spending continues.

00:04:15.000 Essential government employees in the Social Security office and Medicaid office, all those folks continue to work.

00:04:21.000 It just curbs some of the activities around the fringes.

00:04:24.000 So Republicans should not be so fearful of a government shutdown.

00:04:27.000 And I've always been skeptical of Republicans who say, well, no, we really have to avoid the government shutdown.

00:04:31.000 Now, with that said, your preferred strategy is this, if you're a Republican, if there's an issue that you really care about, like border security.

00:04:38.000 It is, I want my budget to have border security funding in it.

00:04:41.000 And I'm not signing a budget.

00:04:42.000 This does not have border security funding in it.

00:04:44.000 And if you are willing to shut down the government by not sending me a budget with what I want in it, well, then that's your fault.

00:04:50.000 Because you're now responsible for people not being able to go to work today because you wouldn't give me the funding necessary in order to secure our southern border.

00:04:57.000 So the shutdown is your fault.

00:04:59.000 But if it has to shut down because you're not going to fund me, well, then I guess that's your choice.

00:05:03.000 That's the way you play this.

00:05:04.000 President Trump gets part of it and he doesn't get part of it.

00:05:08.000 So President Trump gets the part where he says, listen, I'm willing to not sign a budget if he doesn't have what I want.

00:05:13.000 But then he goes further.

00:05:14.000 He says, and you know what?

00:05:15.000 I'll own the shutdown.

00:05:16.000 I'll say it's my fault.

00:05:17.000 Why would you do this?

00:05:19.000 What is the logic behind doing this?

00:05:20.000 I told you, the good Trump is him facing down Pelosi and Schumer.

00:05:23.000 We'll show you that in a second.

00:05:24.000 But he starts off by saying, no, I'll own it.

00:05:26.000 Fine.

00:05:26.000 You want to say that it's my fault the government's shutting down?

00:05:28.000 OK.

00:05:30.000 Why?

00:05:31.000 Why would you do that?

00:05:32.000 It's not, in fact, his fault if the government shuts down.

00:05:34.000 It's the Democrats' fault for not passing a budget that he wants.

00:05:36.000 Chuck's problem is that, you know, when we last closed down, that was his idea.

00:05:42.000 And honestly, he got killed.

00:05:45.000 And so he doesn't want to own it.

00:05:46.000 And I said, you know what?

00:05:47.000 Rather than us debating who's owning it, I'll take it.

00:05:51.000 I'll take it.

00:05:51.000 If we close down the country, I will take it, because we're closing it down for border security.

00:05:57.000 And I think I win that every single time.

00:05:59.000 OK, so I'm not sure that he wins it every single time, but I mean, his own logic, President Trump's own logic suggests that, you know, it'd be great if Chuck Schumer got blamed for the government shutdown.

00:06:08.000 He just says Chuck Schumer tried to shut down the government in order to get funding for his priorities, and then he got blamed for it.

00:06:15.000 And it was a real bad move by Chuck Schumer.

00:06:17.000 Why would you not just repeat this?

00:06:19.000 Why not just make Chuck Schumer do it again?

00:06:21.000 Instead, President Trump, because he feels the necessity to jump on every grenade, says, no, I'll own it.

00:06:27.000 I want it.

00:06:28.000 I'll put a big Trump Tower sign insignia on it.

00:06:32.000 I'll plate it in gold next to my toilet.

00:06:34.000 It'll be unbelievable.

00:06:36.000 Again.

00:06:37.000 President Trump is correct to say, I'm not going to sign a budget without border funding.

00:06:41.000 He is not correct to say, I'm going to own the shutdown.

00:06:43.000 That would be the fault of the Democrats.

00:06:44.000 Well, Chuck Schumer then responded, and he got very upset because President Trump and Schumer really went at it in the Oval Office.

00:06:51.000 And at a certain point during the conversation, President Trump went to his go-to, which is, I won, deal with it.

00:06:55.000 And Chuck Schumer responded by saying, well, when you're in trouble, you just brag.

00:06:59.000 Nancy, we've gained in the Senate.

00:07:01.000 Excuse me, did we win the Senate?

00:07:03.000 We won the Senate.

00:07:04.000 When the president brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana, he's in real trouble.

00:07:08.000 I did.

00:07:10.000 We did win North Dakota and India.

00:07:14.000 So they got very contentious.

00:07:15.000 By the way, Trump isn't wrong there.

00:07:16.000 Chuck Schumer did a poor enough job in the Senate that his side lost seats in an election, a wave election in which they won the House vote by 8.6%.

00:07:26.000 So, you know, President Trump says, and this is where he's good.

00:07:29.000 He says, "I won't take a deal without border security." Like, if you're gonna give me a deal and it doesn't have border security, guess what, not happening. - We have a proposal that Democrats and Republicans will support to do a CR that will not shut down the government.

00:07:41.000 We urge you to take it.

00:07:42.000 And if it's not good border security, I won't take it.

00:07:44.000 It is very good border security.

00:07:45.000 And if it's not good border security, I won't take it.

00:07:48.000 OK, well, Trump is exactly right on this.

00:07:50.000 So again, I think that Trump negotiating in front of the cameras is very often his best stuff because he looks strong.

00:07:56.000 It makes him look tough.

00:07:57.000 And he was being tough with Chuck Schumer.

00:07:59.000 A lot of the back and forth had to do with Nancy Pelosi saying, well, if you you guys run the House, you guys run the Senate, why don't you just pass a budget that you guys want?

00:08:06.000 And Trump saying, well, I don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

00:08:08.000 And Pelosi saying, well, you could at least vote in the House.

00:08:10.000 And Trump going, I don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

00:08:13.000 And Trump, of course, was right about all of this.

00:08:15.000 You could see who sort of won this showdown, at least in the public mind, or at least in the public eye, by how the Democrats reacted to this.

00:08:21.000 So Nancy Pelosi, after this whole hubbub, she went out to the press and she was basically whining that had gone poorly for her. 0.99

00:08:29.000 And she was doing her routine from Seinfeld, the jerk store routine, where she was insulted and then she thought of a comeback 30 minutes after the insult battle ended. 0.76

00:08:37.000 Here was Nancy Pelosi saying, Well, you know, I'm just so nice and kind, I didn't want to tell President Trump that he didn't know what he was talking about while there were cameras there. 0.64

00:08:46.000 So now I'll tell all the cameras, while he's not here, that he didn't know what he was talking about.

00:08:50.000 We don't want to contradict the president when he was putting forth figures that had no reality to them, no basis in fact.

00:08:57.000 We have to, if we're going to proceed in all of this, have evidence-based, factual, truthful information about what works and what doesn't.

00:09:07.000 I didn't want to, in front of those people, say, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:09:11.000 So I'll just say it in front of you, the press.

00:09:13.000 I mean, I love the casual dishonesty of the Democrats saying, well, no, I just didn't want to say it in front of Trump.

00:09:17.000 The reason she didn't want to say it in front of Trump is because Trump would have whomped her.

00:09:20.000 Because President Trump was not going to sit there and take it.

00:09:22.000 Again, President Trump, in confrontational situations, is at his best when those confrontations are about politics.

00:09:30.000 President Trump's aggression in situations like this is actually quite a good thing.

00:09:34.000 Now, does it necessarily feel good to a lot of establishment Republicans?

00:09:38.000 No.

00:09:38.000 But this is why a lot of President Trump's base likes President Trump, is because if Nancy Pelosi sits there and fibs about border security, or if Chuck Schumer sits there and says, I don't want to talk about this stuff publicly, and Trump says, we're going to talk about it publicly, You know, that's that's good for Trump.

00:09:53.000 I think it's good for Republicans.

00:09:54.000 Again, I don't think you should say you own the shutdown and give Democrats the headline.

00:09:57.000 But still, I don't think this went poorly for President Trump by any stretch.

00:10:01.000 Again, Nancy Pelosi looked very angry and very upset after this meeting. 0.82

00:10:04.000 She says that she told Trump to pray for biblical wisdom, always a great injunction from a woman who believes that children should be killed in the womb. 0.68

00:10:10.000 I myself thought we would open the meeting with a prayer.

00:10:12.000 And I told him about Solomon, King Solomon, when he became, when he was to become king of the Jews.

00:10:20.000 He prayed to God, he said, how can I ever follow King David?

00:10:23.000 King David, king of the Jews. 0.87

00:10:26.000 I need you to give me great understanding and wisdom, Lord.

00:10:29.000 And after he prayed and prayed and prayed, God came to him and said, Solomon, because you did not ask for longevity, great wealth, or vengeance against your enemies, I will give you more wisdom than anyone has ever had.

00:10:44.000 The wisdom of Solomon.

00:10:45.000 Okay, so I don't know how she's paraphrasing Bible here, but in any case, I'm sort of shocked that she didn't actually... I'm shocked she didn't actually quote the section of the Bible in which Solomon says that he might split a baby, because that seems actually more in line with...

00:11:02.000 Nancy Pelosi's general political viewpoint.

00:11:05.000 I love it when people who are super pro-abortion are quoting the Bible at people like President Trump.

00:11:10.000 It's just, it's delightful.

00:11:11.000 Pelosi and Schumer finish off by saying that President Trump threw a temper tantrum in the Oval Office and they called it the Trump shutdown.

00:11:17.000 And this is where Trump's mistake starts to take root, is you're going to hear from now till the end of whatever happens here from the press that this is the Trump shutdown.

00:11:25.000 Again, Trump didn't have to own it.

00:11:26.000 That was a mistake by President Trump.

00:11:27.000 This Trump shutdown This temper tantrum that he seems to throw will not get him his wall, and it'll hurt a lot of people because he will cause a shutdown.

00:11:38.000 He admitted he wanted a shutdown.

00:11:40.000 It's hard to believe that he would want that.

00:11:44.000 Should, unfortunately, that the president choose to shut down the government, that we have a Trump shutdown as a Christmas present, a holiday present to the American people.

00:11:56.000 Well, they're on branding.

00:11:57.000 They're on branding.

00:11:58.000 I mean, this is their routine.

00:11:59.000 So when it was Congress, it was Ted Cruz's fault when the government shut down in 2013 because he was in Congress.

00:12:05.000 Now it's President Trump's fault that the government is shutting down when he's not in Congress.

00:12:09.000 Weird how the media always try to spin it as a Republican shutdown of the government, even when Democrats are pretty obviously shutting down the government.

00:12:15.000 Again, President Trump did not help here particularly a lot.

00:12:17.000 We're going to get to Nancy Pelosi's final shots at President Trump in just one second. 0.97

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00:13:32.000 Nancy Pelosi concluded the negotiations with President Trump by going back to her Democratic caucus and then talking about President Trump's manhood.

00:13:43.000 These people are all civility and all class.

00:13:45.000 She said, it's like a manhood thing with him, as if manhood can be associated with him.

00:13:50.000 And then she said of the conversation with Trump, it goes to show you, you can get into a tinkle contest with a skunk.

00:13:56.000 You get tinkle all over you.

00:13:59.000 That's some weird verbiage.

00:14:01.000 A tinkle contest with a skunk.

00:14:03.000 You get tinkle all over you.

00:14:06.000 Well, I guess when you are 1,000 years old, this is the kind of language that you use to describe a political club fight in the Oval Office.

00:14:13.000 Again, here's the point.

00:14:15.000 Democrats don't want to fund President Trump's priorities on the border.

00:14:18.000 The question we should be asking ourselves is why do they not actually want to be funding these border priorities?

00:14:24.000 We're not talking about a lot of money.

00:14:26.000 We're not talking about a great deal of expenditure.

00:14:28.000 We're not talking about something impossible or crazy.

00:14:31.000 It is not impossible or crazy to ensure that our border is secure.

00:14:35.000 President Trump is talking about $5 billion.

00:14:37.000 I mean, the government spends that about every five seconds.

00:14:40.000 The fact that Democrats are trying to suddenly skimp on border security should be telling you something about their actual priorities.

00:14:47.000 And I think President Trump knows that, which is why President Trump is pushing on this particular subject and pushing very hard on this particular subject.

00:14:54.000 I don't think he's wrong to do it.

00:14:56.000 And I think that now that he's got Democrats in the majority in the House, at least incoming, he has the ability to at least cast aspersions at their willingness to protect Our southern border, which should be of serious concern.

00:15:07.000 It should be of serious concern who crosses that border.

00:15:10.000 Apparently, we've been arresting thousands of people every day crossing that border.

00:15:14.000 Securing the border seems like a no-brainer.

00:15:16.000 Trump knows it.

00:15:16.000 The American people are in favor of it.

00:15:18.000 And the fact that Democrats are willing to let people go unemployed for the holidays because they won't fund a border wall is pretty astonishing.

00:15:27.000 That said, President Trump, you know, should have done this when there was Republican Congress, and it is kind of devastating that he didn't.

00:15:33.000 OK, in just a second, I want to get to the latest developments in the Mueller investigation and in the Michael Flynn pleading.

00:15:40.000 So here's the latest with regard to all of the various Trump legal development.

00:15:46.000 So according to Hans van Spakowski, Hans von Spakowski, sorry, over at the Daily Signal Heritage Foundation, he talks about the possibility that President Trump will be indicted.

00:15:55.000 So this entire week, a lot of last week, thanks to Michael Cohen's plea agreement and thanks to the Southern District of New York's sentencing memo, There's been a lot of talk the President of the United States is going to be indicted for a campaign finance violation.

00:16:08.000 Hans von Spakovsky makes the case that President Trump cannot be indicted for a campaign finance violation because Michael Cohen didn't actually commit a campaign finance violation.

00:16:17.000 Here's what Spakovsky says.

00:16:18.000 He says, Indeed, the Southern District's aggressive stance on this issue might have violated the Justice Department's own policy.

00:16:22.000 the Federal Election Campaign Act, nor its former commissioners would likely agree with the over-aggressive view that the Southern District is taking.

00:16:28.000 Indeed, the Southern District's aggressive stance on this issue might have violated the Justice Department's own policy.

00:16:33.000 Why?

00:16:33.000 Well, the initial claim is that Michael Cohen used money from his pocket to pay off Stormy Daniels and was reimbursed by President Trump in order to avoid disclosure issues in campaign finance.

00:16:44.000 That basically this was an in-kind contribution to President Trump in the amount of $130,000 that was never reported to the FEC and surpassed all campaign finance limits.

00:16:53.000 But Robert Kusami, who's the acting U.S.

00:16:55.000 attorney standing in for Jeffrey Berman, who's recused himself from the Cohen case, says in the government sentencing memo, that Cohen committed a campaign finance violation by arranging payments from corporations to two women, women one and women two, that'd be Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, who claimed they had affairs with Trump in order to buy their silence.

00:17:11.000 Cohen eventually invoiced the Trump organization for the Daniels payment.

00:17:14.000 Kuzami asserts these were illegal corporate contributions to the Trump campaign because they were made with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election.

00:17:21.000 But there are a lot of problems with this claim.

00:17:23.000 First, his theory that anything intended to influence an election is a campaign-related expense fails to take into account about the statutory limitation on this definition.

00:17:32.000 According to federal elections law, it specifically says that campaign-related expenses do not include any expenditures used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign.

00:17:44.000 These payments were relatively small given Trump's net worth, the kind of nuisance settlement celebrities often make to protect their reputations.

00:17:50.000 Given Trump's celebrity status, the potential liability to these women existed irrespective of the president's election campaign.

00:17:56.000 This is the case that I've made is that Trump has been paying off women for years.

00:17:59.000 This is just the latest example of a woman being paid off. 1.00

00:18:02.000 Unlike Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in the John Edwards case, Riel Hunter, who is Edwards' mistress, was paid a million bucks while directly working for the campaign and John Edwards.

00:18:12.000 Her payments did not go through the Edwards campaign's account, but the government tried to claim they were campaign expenditures because they were intended to protect Edwards' reputation during his presidential run and thus influence the election.

00:18:22.000 But a jury acquitted Edwards on the charge of accepting an illegal campaign donation and failed to reach a verdict on the other charges.

00:18:28.000 The fact that a jury didn't convict Edwards wouldn't ordinarily mean the government didn't have a viable claim, but Edwards had two former chairmen of the FEC on retainer who were prepared to testify that such payments to a mistress are not actually campaign-related expenses.

00:18:41.000 So this is the affirmative case being made by Hans von Spakovsky as to why President Trump cannot actually be prosecuted in terms of violation of campaign finance.

00:18:49.000 Now, in other President Trump legal news, the incoming New York Attorney General has now said that she is interested in prosecuting any and all members of the Trump family.

00:18:58.000 I mean, this is pretty incredible stuff.

00:19:00.000 It's pretty obvious at this point that law enforcement mechanisms are being used to target specific people.

00:19:05.000 As Ari Fleischer pointed out on Twitter, and he's exactly correct, the former Bush press secretary, The way that law enforcement is supposed to work is you identify a crime, and then you identify the person responsible for the crime, and then you prosecute the person responsible for the crime.

00:19:18.000 But now it appears that the prosecutor, the attorney general-elect in New York, is saying that she's going to identify the person, and then identify the crime.

00:19:25.000 This would be the definition of selective prosecution.

00:19:27.000 New York Attorney General Elect Letitia James says she plans to launch sweeping investigations into President Donald Trump, his family, and anyone in his circle who may have violated the law once she settles into her new job next month.

00:19:38.000 She said we will use every area of the law to investigate President Trump and his business transactions and that of his family as well.

00:19:44.000 She, of course, is a Democrat, and she told NBC News in her first extensive interview since she was elected last month that she intends on targeting Trump and his family.

00:19:52.000 This would include investigating any potential illegalities involving President Trump's real estate holdings in New York, the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with a Russian official, government subsidies received by President Trump, whether he's in violation of the emoluments clause in the U.S.

00:20:06.000 Constitution, continuing to probe the Trump Foundation and supposed illegalities in their handling of their 501c3.

00:20:13.000 James says we want to investigate anyone in his orbit who has, in fact, violated the law.

00:20:18.000 This is pretty astonishing stuff to openly say that you are taking on a specific human as opposed to a specific crime.

00:20:25.000 That is a basic violation of prosecutorial duty.

00:20:28.000 James said, taking on President Trump and looking at all the violations of law, I think, is no match to what I have seen in my lifetime.

00:20:35.000 And this is if you're wondering why so many Republicans feel that the justice system looks like it's being used as a tool against President Trump, statements like that certainly have something to do with it.

00:20:45.000 I'm going to explain more about the use of the justice system against certain Trump officials in just one second.

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00:22:13.000 OK, meanwhile, the FBI, there's a new memo out that shows that the FBI recommended that Michael Flynn, who you will recall was prosecuted by the Department of Justice, that he not have a lawyer present during his interview and did not warn him that his statement would have consequences.

00:22:31.000 So according to a memo from former FBI director, Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, The interview that ultimately led to Michael Flynn's guilty plea on one count of making false statements, this is where Michael Flynn said he had not talked with the Russians during the transition, suggested that Flynn not have a lawyer present at the session according to newly filed court documents.

00:22:47.000 In addition, FBI officials, along with the two agents who interviewed Flynn, decided specifically not to warn him that there would be penalties for making false statements because the agents wanted to ensure that Flynn was relaxed during the session.

00:22:59.000 The new information was drawn from McCabe's account of events, plus FBI agents' write-ups of the interview.

00:23:03.000 The so-called 302 report is contained in a sentencing memo filed Tuesday by Flynn's defense team.

00:23:08.000 Citing McCabe's account, the sentencing memo says that shortly after noon on January 24th, the fourth day of the new Trump administration, McCabe called Flynn on a secure phone in Flynn's West Wing office.

00:23:17.000 The two men discussed business briefly, and then McCabe said he felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down with Flynn to discuss Flynn's talks with Russian officials during the presidential transition.

00:23:26.000 McCabe, by his own account, urged Flynn to talk to the agents alone without a lawyer present.

00:23:30.000 I explained I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between Flynn and the agents only, said McCabe.

00:23:35.000 I further stated that Lieutenant General Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House counsel, for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice.

00:23:42.000 Flynn stated this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants.

00:23:47.000 Within two hours, the agents were in Flynn's office.

00:23:49.000 According to the 302 report quoted in Flynn's sentencing document, the agent said Flynn was relaxed and jocular and offered the agents a little tour of his part of the White House.

00:23:57.000 The agents did not provide General Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making false statements under 18 U.S.

00:24:02.000 Code 1001 before, during, or after the interview, according to the Flynn memo.

00:24:06.000 According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials decided the agents would not warn Flynn it was a crime to lie during the FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect their rapport.

00:24:18.000 Now, is that bad behavior by the agents?

00:24:22.000 Unclear, right?

00:24:23.000 I mean, the fact is that when you are a police officer and you're interviewing a suspect, you have to inform them of their right to have an attorney present if you have arrested them.

00:24:31.000 But if you're just bringing a witness in for questioning, then you don't actually have to warn them of the possibility of lying to the police being a crime, right?

00:24:40.000 You just have to interview them.

00:24:42.000 So that's the basic rule is that if you're not in detention, then you don't have a right to an attorney under domestic United States law.

00:24:50.000 This is sort of the same case.

00:24:52.000 So the FBI doesn't have to warn Flynn that he can have an attorney president or that any statements he can, that he says can and will be used against him in a court of law, like you would on law and order.

00:25:01.000 Miranda warnings don't apply to this particular situation.

00:25:04.000 That said, does it sound a little bit dishonest for the FBI to have brought in Flynn under the auspices of we're having a friendly little conversation and then sandbag him with false charges?

00:25:13.000 Yeah, especially when you get him on something as minor as he talked with the Russians in the middle of the transition, which is not in and of itself criminal activity.

00:25:20.000 This is why a lot of folks are upset today.

00:25:23.000 Again, I think the upset is a little bit overwrought, but I understand why folks think that the same thing would not have been done to any Obama officials, for example.

00:25:32.000 Now, meanwhile, there was a terrorist attack in France, another one, and it did not make global headlines in the same way that terrorist attacks have in the past.

00:25:41.000 The reason being that we are getting used to this, unfortunately.

00:25:44.000 According to the Daily Mail, at least three people were killed, 13 others injured, when a gunman opened fire at a Christmas market in Strasbourg, northeastern France, on Tuesday evening.

00:25:51.000 Police identified the gunman as Sheriff Cheket, a Strasbourg-born 29-year-old who has a criminal record and is a designated threat to the state.

00:25:58.000 The carnage unfolded just after 8 p.m.

00:26:00.000 watch list.

00:26:00.000 A manhunt is now underway for Shekat, who managed to flee the scene in a hijacked taxi after being wounded in a shootout with soldiers.

00:26:07.000 And President Emmanuel Macron has raised France's terror level.

00:26:10.000 The carnage unfolded just after 8 p.m. local time outside the historic Christmas market in Strasbourg's central square, Place Kleber, one of the busiest areas in the city, which is also home to the European Parliament.

00:26:19.000 Four of the people injured were still fighting for their lives.

00:26:22.000 Six others seriously hurt.

00:26:23.000 Witnesses described one of the victims as a male Southeast Asian tourist who had been shot in the head.

00:26:29.000 The guy apparently was on the terror watch list.

00:26:33.000 So this person was known to police.

00:26:35.000 I don't know why the Europeans have this terror watch list where apparently you only appear after you've committed an act of terror and then we apparently worry about it. 0.56

00:26:41.000 He was on the terror watch list and apparently while he was shooting, he said the magic words.

00:26:46.000 He said Allahu Akbar while he was shooting.

00:26:48.000 Motive still unknown.

00:26:49.000 So that's always exciting is when you hear that somebody shouts Allahu Akbar while shooting people and we still have motive unknown.

00:26:55.000 So the source A police source said security forces had opened fire in an area of the city where the suspect was thought to be hiding.

00:27:01.000 The source did not give the address.

00:27:02.000 It was unclear if the shooter had been located.

00:27:06.000 Good stuff.

00:27:08.000 Yeah, again, another radical Islamist terrorist attack in the heart of Europe.

00:27:13.000 And yet you're considered Islamophobic if you wonder whether immigration to Europe ought to be vetted or curbed.

00:27:19.000 If you do that, then you have a problem. 0.90

00:27:21.000 Instead, we're all supposed to sort of plunge our heads into the sand and pretend that nothing threatening has ever happened because of mass Islamic immigration into Europe, which is, of course, silly. 0.77

00:27:30.000 And that's not to say the vast majority of people who are coming into Europe are criminals or terrorists. 0.83

00:27:33.000 They're not.

00:27:34.000 But if you're not vetting the folks coming into your country, then it should not be a surprise when some of those people turn out to be bad people, terrorists, threats to public security.

00:27:44.000 Now, meanwhile, Google showed up on the Hill for a hearing yesterday.

00:27:49.000 And whenever tech companies show up on the hill for hearings about how they run their business, it gets really awkward because nobody in Congress is below the age of 97, except for Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, who is 29 and knows nothing.

00:28:03.000 But everybody else in Congress, there's a huge age gap.

00:28:05.000 It's basically you're 97 or you're 29 and know nothing.

00:28:07.000 So there's no point at which people actually know things in Congress.

00:28:10.000 All these 97-year-olds were grilling the heads of Google on the biasing of Google results, and they clearly do not know what they are talking about.

00:28:20.000 Like, over and over and over, they were just saying silly things.

00:28:22.000 So, for example, Steve Cohen, who is a Democratic representative from Tennessee, here he was saying that he's angry at Google because when he Googles himself, mean things come up in the Google results.

00:28:32.000 Like, I put my name in here, Rep.

00:28:33.000 Steve Cohen.

00:28:34.000 I punch news.

00:28:35.000 This weekend, I was on MSNBC four times.

00:28:38.000 And yet the first thing that comes up is the Daily Caller, not exactly a liberal, but I guess well-known group.

00:28:44.000 Then there's Roll Call, then Breitbart News, then the Memphis Business Journal, then Breitbart News, then Breitbart.

00:28:50.000 So it looks like you are overly using conservative news organizations.

00:28:54.000 On your news.

00:28:55.000 And I'd like you to look into overuse of conservative news organizations to put on liberal people's news on Google. 0.97

00:29:02.000 Okay, maybe the only people who give a crap what Steve Cohen says are people on the right, because the left basically ignores them.

00:29:07.000 Now, Cohen was saying this because there were folks on the right who were claiming that Google was biased against conservatives in a lot of its search results. 0.98

00:29:14.000 We here at The Daily Wire know that Google is biased against conservatives in some of its search results.

00:29:18.000 There was a while there where Google had an app, basically, it had a section of its website where if you searched Daily Wire, then all the results from a left-wing fact-checking organization came up.

00:29:30.000 On the right side of the page.

00:29:30.000 It did the same thing for The Daily Caller.

00:29:32.000 It did the same thing for The Federalist.

00:29:33.000 It did not do the same thing for any left-wing website.

00:29:36.000 It did not fact check any of their stories and show how dishonest those websites were.

00:29:40.000 And by the way, over at Daily Wire, when we make mistakes, we make corrections to those mistakes, just as any other news organization would.

00:29:46.000 But nobody in Congress seems to understand exactly how All of this works.

00:29:50.000 And so the members of Congress simply suggest that Google is absolutely neutral.

00:29:54.000 Google has no bias whatsoever.

00:29:56.000 In a second, we're going to talk a little bit more about that and why that simply is not true.

00:30:00.000 First, let's talk about your Second Amendment rights.

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00:31:36.000 OK, well, I do want to talk more about Google's bias.

00:31:39.000 Also, a piece in The Washington Post suggesting that I should not actually speak at the March for Life in a Piece. 0.91

00:31:44.000 At Vox, suggesting that women have better sex under socialism, which is why women are prostituting themselves in Venezuela, I suppose. 0.98

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00:33:10.000 So as I say, there is bias at Google, but very few people on the Hill actually know enough about Google to understand how the bias actually operates. 0.98

00:33:23.000 So for example, you have Democrat Ted Lieu from out here in California, and he says that the only reason there are bad search results for people like Steve Scalise is because Google is unbiased and because Steve Scalise is a jerk. 0.98

00:33:33.000 So basically, the Google results are reflective of the fact that they're a bunch of jerky Republicans. 0.99

00:33:39.000 So if everything is biased to the left, it's not because there's bias, it's because Republicans are terrible people. 0.96

00:33:44.000 If you want positive search results, do positive things.

00:33:48.000 If you don't want negative search results, don't do negative things.

00:33:52.000 And to some of my colleagues across the aisle, if you're getting bad press articles and bad search results, don't blame Google or Facebook or Twitter.

00:34:00.000 Consider blaming yourself.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, except for the fact that that's not exactly how Google and Facebook and Twitter work.

00:34:05.000 Now, there's no individual who's sitting behind the scenes and manipulating the algorithms over at Google.

00:34:10.000 That's not how any of this works.

00:34:12.000 Here is how it works.

00:34:13.000 So Eric Weinstein, who, a friend of mine, fellow member of the Intellectual Dark Web, probably, in all honesty, its founder, he's a guy who is the The business head of Peter Thiel's empire.

00:34:25.000 And Peter Thiel, of course, a major investor originally in Facebook.

00:34:28.000 He was the creator of PayPal.

00:34:30.000 Nobody knows the internet better than Eric does.

00:34:32.000 I mean, Eric really knows what he's talking about.

00:34:34.000 And here is what he says.

00:34:35.000 He says, Google literally tells you how they bias your view of the world.

00:34:38.000 Only they call it unbiasing.

00:34:40.000 And unbiasing is supposedly politically neutral.

00:34:42.000 It's just that in view of woke engineers, conservatives are typically biased by history, privilege, biological essentialism, et cetera.

00:34:48.000 And so he says of Google CEO Sundar Pichai, he says, these are questions he would ask.

00:34:53.000 We'd ask, do you unbiased searches you think are biased under an internal fairness initiative?

00:34:57.000 Did Google find that history can represent latency bias?

00:35:00.000 Findings in biology and psychology can lead to exclusion bias.

00:35:03.000 Economic theory can lead to inequality bias, et cetera.

00:35:06.000 So in other words, what he's saying is that Google biases through its unbiasing.

00:35:10.000 Because if they were just to allow the full stream of information to carry forth, then what would end up is maybe a bunch of right-wing stuff that people are interested in.

00:35:17.000 So instead, they unbiased the results to ensure that conservatives are downplayed.

00:35:20.000 He says, if you found conservatives were likely to believe in more traditional interpretations of gender, biology, markets, military power, ethnicity, religion, borders, psychology, wealth achievement, would they be more likely to be unbiased by Google?

00:35:31.000 That's how this works.

00:35:33.000 I hope someone took a shot at this line of questioning. 0.99

00:35:35.000 But I'm writing this as a non-conservative because this no-bias game is moronic. 0.97

00:35:39.000 We don't need fresh faces. 0.73

00:35:40.000 We need tough folks in Congress with technical backgrounds who can operate in all areas where Google operates.

00:35:45.000 In other words, somebody has to set the parameters.

00:35:48.000 Somebody has to set the parameters for all of this.

00:35:51.000 Somebody has to set the parameters for how these algorithms work in the first place and how the unbiasing operates And Google is doing so in biased fashion, as Eric says.

00:36:00.000 And the fact that folks in Congress don't really get it is pretty astonishing.

00:36:03.000 By the way, there is some pretty solid evidence of bias inside Google.

00:36:06.000 Representative Matt Katz of Florida, he slammed the bias at this hearing yesterday at Google.

00:36:10.000 I would strongly suggest that one of the crisis response tools that you use is in an investigation into the discourse of your employees on resisting the Trump presidency, resisting the Trump agenda, and then smothering some of the conservative outlets that seem to amplify that content.

00:36:25.000 Okay, and I think Matt Gaetz is not completely wrong about this.

00:36:28.000 Now, a piece of breaking news that I didn't get to earlier, breaking news is that Michael Cohen has now been sentenced to three years in prison for campaign finance violations.

00:36:37.000 The idea here is that he, again, was ordered to commit these campaign violations at the behest of President Trump.

00:36:43.000 As I said earlier, I think that that is a stretch, but Cohen is pleading guilty to crimes that are friendly for the prosecutors, specifically so that he can get off on Worst charges.

00:36:55.000 You know, the charges with regard to tax fraud and taxi medallions and all of the rest.

00:37:00.000 According to CNN, Michael Cohen has now been sentenced to three years in prison.

00:37:04.000 President Trump's former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen said he takes full responsibility for the actions he has previously pled guilty to during his appearance in a New York federal court on Wednesday.

00:37:12.000 Cohen is in court to be sentenced as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

00:37:18.000 He says, I take full responsibility for each act I pled guilty to, the personal ones to me and those involving the president of the United States.

00:37:24.000 of America.

00:37:25.000 In court Wednesday morning, Cohen's attorney offered a sweeping case for leniency, comparing the significance of Cohen's actions and the work of the special counsel to the Watergate investigation.

00:37:33.000 He said the cooperation here should be viewed against a non-standard framework.

00:37:36.000 The special counsel's office investigation is of utmost national significance, no less than seen 40 years ago in Watergate.

00:37:42.000 So therefore he should be let off because they're going after the president.

00:37:45.000 Now again, critics of the prosecution here are going to say that Cohen didn't actually commit a campaign finance crime.

00:37:52.000 Even if he did commit a campaign finance crime, it now has to be established that he did so at the behest of President Trump, and that Michael Cohen is basically pleading guilty because he was guilty of a bunch of other ancillary crimes, and that therefore he is pleading guilty to these ones specifically in order to get off on other ones.

00:38:07.000 Suffice it to say, this is not good news for the president of the United States.

00:38:10.000 During his remarks, Cohen addressed the president's comment, referring to him as weak, but said it was for a much different reason.

00:38:15.000 Cohen said, quote, Recently, the president tweeted a statement calling me weak, and it was correct, but for a much different reason than he was implying.

00:38:21.000 It was because time and time again, I felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds.

00:38:26.000 He said his action stands in... This is the attorney for Cohen.

00:38:29.000 His action stands in profound contrast to the decision of some others not to cooperate and allegedly to double deal while pretending to cooperate.

00:38:37.000 In addition to the disclosures from the U.S.

00:38:39.000 Attorney's Office in Manhattan about Trump's participation in payments to silenced women, Mueller also supplied fresh revelations on the president on Friday, disclosing new information on a set of efforts to communicate between Trump, his associates, and the Russian government, according to CNN.

00:38:52.000 They try to quote Cohen as saying that he was meeting with Russian government officials, but again, none of that is necessarily illegal.

00:38:59.000 The net seems to be tightening around President Trump here, although, again, I think there's a pretty solid case to say that President Trump is not guilty of a criminal enterprise.

00:39:07.000 There's no question that within the next month, there's going to be serious talk in Democratic circles about whether to move forward with impeachment of President Trump.

00:39:14.000 And this is going to bring up a lot of questions about whether President Clinton should have been impeached.

00:39:17.000 He was impeached for obstruction of justice and perjury.

00:39:20.000 He was not convicted in the Senate on either of those charges, but he was impeached on that basis.

00:39:24.000 And If President Trump is to be gotten on any basis, it will be on very similar auspices to how President Clinton was impeached in 1999.

00:39:33.000 He was actually impeached in 98 and then he was acquitted by the Senate in 1999.

00:39:36.000 So in just a second... 0.97

00:39:39.000 I'm going to get to the dumbest stories of the day. 0.94

00:39:42.000 I also want to get to the new 2020 frontrunner. 0.81

00:39:44.000 So there was a poll out yesterday, and it suggests, this moveon.org poll, poll of progressive leftists.

00:39:50.000 And NBC News reported that the straw poll of moveon.org members on Scientific Poll, but still kind of relevant, They are now favoring these progressive leftists, Texas Senate candidate Beto O'Rourke over Joe Biden.

00:40:01.000 So their number one choice is Beto O'Rourke, Robert O'Rourke.

00:40:04.000 Some 29 percent of respondents said they didn't know who they wanted, but O'Rourke has seized a narrow lead with 15.6 percent of respondents followed by former Vice President Joe Biden at 14.9 percent and Senator Bernie Sanders at 13.1 percent.

00:40:17.000 Elizabeth Warren way down in the pack. 0.82

00:40:18.000 Warren looks like she has lived past her sell-by date.

00:40:21.000 And the same thing is true of Bernie Sanders.

00:40:23.000 It looks like Bernie Sanders has lost a lot of the enthusiasm that carried him forward In 2016, when the MoveOn.org crowd, they were all Bernie bros.

00:40:29.000 Now it looks like they're gonna be Beto bros.

00:40:31.000 Look, Beto is the most dangerous candidate in the Democratic field.

00:40:34.000 He's the person you have to look out for.

00:40:36.000 The press loves the guy.

00:40:37.000 And there are three basic And pillars of the Democratic Party at this point, the intersectional coalition, all of these various pandered to minority groups that are essentially being told by the Democratic politicians that they ought to be privileged in American society because of a past history of victimization.

00:40:57.000 Well, Rourke panders to those people.

00:40:59.000 He panders to those people by by suggesting I'm not when I say those people, I don't mean actual members, minority groups.

00:41:05.000 I mean that he is pandering to politically active, progressive leaders who consider themselves part of this intersectional coalition.

00:41:12.000 He is he's pandering to a lot of those folks specifically because by saying things like the criminal justice system is inherently biased and racist, this sort of stuff.

00:41:22.000 You have to say if you actually want to succeed with the intersectional coalition.

00:41:25.000 He also has to appeal to the mainline Democrats and he has to appeal to the progressive.

00:41:29.000 MoveOn.org is the Bernie Sanders wing of the party.

00:41:31.000 They like Beto.

00:41:32.000 The intersectional coalition likes Beto.

00:41:34.000 The mainstream Democratic Party likes Beto because O'Rourke is smart enough That he was never a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

00:41:42.000 Instead, he joined the New Democrat Coalition, which was a centrist caucus with Clintonian views, according to social democratic columnist Elizabeth Bruning.

00:41:49.000 He's been rather mild on climate change issues, at least for the radical left.

00:41:53.000 Of course, he's being upheld by the media. 0.97

00:41:55.000 I think that at this point, O'Rourke would be a fool not to run for president. 0.71

00:41:58.000 He's still got bank from his last election cycle, and he's got a lot of momentum, and people are looking for a fresh face. 0.63

00:42:05.000 He is young, the media love him, and he is also combative.

00:42:10.000 You know, he's a dangerous candidate and pretending that he is going to simply fade away into the horizon, I don't think is accurate in any way. 0.99

00:42:16.000 Now, meanwhile, the stupidest stories of the day. 0.99

00:42:19.000 There is a piece in The Washington Post today about me headlining the March for Life. 0.99

00:42:23.000 There's a piece by a guy named Charles Camosy, who is the head of Democrats for Life, which means he's the only member of Democrats for Life because there are like three Democrats for Life.

00:42:30.000 Now, again, I think there are a lot of people who vote Democrat, who may be pro-life.

00:42:34.000 I can't imagine why.

00:42:36.000 Maybe they found the one representative who is somewhat pro-life in the Democratic Party.

00:42:39.000 But the Democratic Party as a whole is a pro-abortion party.

00:42:42.000 There's no question about this.

00:42:43.000 They're radically pro-abortion.

00:42:45.000 In every available case, they're radically pro-abortion.

00:42:48.000 But this guy Charles Camosy says I should not speak at the March for Life.

00:42:50.000 I'm keynoting the March for Life in early January.

00:42:53.000 Very much looking forward to it.

00:42:55.000 He says that in a few, he says, the biggest problem with the March for Life has to do with the near total lack of huge name promoters as the anti-abortion movement continues to be the third rail for American celebrities.

00:43:04.000 That's about to change.

00:43:05.000 In a few weeks, the march will be keynoted by a genuine superstar, Ben Shapiro.

00:43:08.000 Well, thank you.

00:43:09.000 The 34-year-old Orthodox Jew from Southern California hosts the most popular conservative podcast in the country.

00:43:14.000 A pre-election special he did this fall was one of the most-watched shows on cable TV the day it aired.

00:43:18.000 His DailyWire opinion news website boasts 140 million page views per month.

00:43:23.000 And this guy says that...

00:43:25.000 Many in the pro-life movement will consider this a huge get, not me.

00:43:28.000 Despite Shapiro's star power and stature, I consider his appearance a serious mistake for the march, one that will move us even further from being understood as a broad-based human rights movement we need to embody in order to go from fringe to mainstream.

00:43:38.000 The idea being that I am a partisan Republican or a conservative, an open conservative, and therefore it's bad for me to speak at the March for Life.

00:43:47.000 So this is what he says, Trump is a buffoon, but Shapiro is helping to form the imagination of many millions of young conservatives.

00:43:52.000 He also has deep relationships and regular exchanges with pro-choice members of the intellectual dark web and is one of the few pro-life public figures who is taken seriously outside the pro-life movement itself.

00:44:00.000 Though I disagree with Shapiro about 60 to 70 percent of the time, I listen to his entertaining show regularly and consider him a very important voice for vulnerable populations.

00:44:08.000 His commitment to argument and evidence represents the only chance those who lack power in our culture have to get their interests taken seriously. 0.76

00:44:13.000 So what's the problem?

00:44:14.000 The problem is that I'm going to be doing the podcast live, and that because the podcast is politically oriented, this is going to alienate Democrats.

00:44:21.000 Honestly, if you're more alienated by my Republican politics than you are by the pro-choice movement, or if you feel that I can't be a good promoter of pro-life beliefs, if you believe I can't be a good promoter of pro-life beliefs because I am a conservative, then I would suggest that you are making a very large mistake.

00:44:37.000 When folks on the left say something that is right, it is my job to give them credit for saying something that is right.

00:44:41.000 And when I say something that is pro-life and correct, it seems to me pro-life Democrats should be on my side, and it's not my job to pretend that the Democratic Party has played an innocuous role in the pro-choice versus pro-life debate.

00:44:54.000 OK, let's get to some things that I like and then some things that I hate.

00:44:57.000 So things that I like that I have to show you this.

00:45:00.000 This is so I will acknowledge I love magic.

00:45:04.000 I don't just mean I'm not talking about like Harry Potter.

00:45:06.000 I'm talking about the the kind of sleight of hand magic illusion, Michael, illusion.

00:45:12.000 I love this stuff.

00:45:14.000 So one of my favorite places on earth, for example, in Los Angeles is the Magic Castle.

00:45:17.000 The Magic Castle is just spectacular.

00:45:19.000 If you ever get a chance to go there, you get an invite.

00:45:21.000 It's just the best.

00:45:22.000 It's great.

00:45:22.000 I took my wife there the other night.

00:45:24.000 It's a great date place.

00:45:25.000 So Magic Castle gets a promotion.

00:45:27.000 Magic Castle is awesome.

00:45:29.000 And it's pretty exclusive and you have to dress real nice.

00:45:31.000 I remember one time I went to Magic Castle, the dress code at Magic Castle is that you have to wear Creasable pants.

00:45:37.000 You have to wear, like, nice suit pants and a jacket.

00:45:39.000 I was wearing a nice pair of khakis and a jacket, but my khakis were not creasable.

00:45:43.000 They made me borrow a pair of pants from the back room.

00:45:45.000 So I spent the night walking around in somebody else's pants, which was real awkward.

00:45:48.000 But in any case, that's beside the point.

00:45:50.000 I have to show you this magic trick.

00:45:53.000 Okay, so this magic routine is the best magic routine I have ever seen.

00:45:56.000 It's by a guy named Eric Chen.

00:45:57.000 He just won a international magic competition for close-up magic.

00:46:02.000 This is my favorite kind of magic.

00:46:03.000 So I'm not big into the Sawing a woman in half, making an airplane disappear, that kind of stuff.

00:46:08.000 Because once you learn how the trick is done, you know how the trick is done.

00:46:12.000 But with sleight of hand, you know exactly how they're doing the trick, and you still can't catch them.

00:46:16.000 It's really amazing.

00:46:17.000 So here is this guy, Eric Chen.

00:46:19.000 He's a Chinese citizen, I believe.

00:46:21.000 And this is legitimately the best magic I have ever seen in my entire life.

00:46:27.000 So for folks who can't see what he's doing, he is turning cards into coins.

00:46:33.000 It's truly incredible.

00:46:35.000 So now he's scooping coins into a box.

00:46:39.000 And then he is going to close the box, open the box again.

00:46:45.000 He's just making things disappear right and left.

00:46:49.000 He just turned his vest from blue and red back to black.

00:46:55.000 I mean, it's just amazing.

00:46:56.000 Go and watch the whole routine.

00:46:57.000 You can find it on YouTube.

00:46:58.000 It has several million hits.

00:47:00.000 But it is just spectacular.

00:47:02.000 Did you guys watch it backstage?

00:47:04.000 I mean, if you haven't, then it's unbelievable.

00:47:07.000 OK, other things that I like.

00:47:08.000 So a sad end for a woman who was married to a 300-year-old ghost pirate.

00:47:13.000 A very sad end.

00:47:14.000 This is the original announcement, the beautiful, I think, announcement that she was going to marry a 300-year-old ghost pirate a few years ago, but now she has apparently left the marriage.

00:47:24.000 Here is her original statement announcing her engagement to the ghost pirate.

00:47:27.000 Amanda is a pirate impersonator married to a 300-year-old ghost pirate.

00:47:33.000 I'm the first person in the UK and Ireland to marry post-human sleep.

00:47:37.000 She says when deceased pirate John Teague contacted her spiritually, she had some doubts, but he proved himself by telling her historic facts she later Googled and found to be true.

00:47:49.000 Amanda says she's seen John in astro travel and in meditation.

00:47:53.000 The two were married on international waters, surrounded by a small group of friends and family.

00:47:59.000 Everyone in high spirit.

00:48:02.000 Love is love, guys.

00:48:03.000 Love is love.

00:48:05.000 Hashtag. 0.99

00:48:06.000 I mean, I don't know why you would think this is stupid or anything. 0.96

00:48:09.000 First of all, if she believes that the ghost pirate speaks to her and that she can marry the ghost pirate, I don't see why you would think that is delusional. 0.97

00:48:16.000 There's nothing delusional about that.

00:48:17.000 It doesn't impede her capacity to function in normal society. 0.97

00:48:20.000 Seems totally fine to me.

00:48:22.000 And as far as her choice of partner, how dare you discriminate against a woman marrying a ghost?

00:48:27.000 How dare you?

00:48:28.000 I mean, maybe Casper's on our list too, but this was very sad because she broke up with the ghost pirate.

00:48:36.000 He must have ghosted her.

00:48:38.000 At a certain point, he just decided she was no longer his boo.

00:48:42.000 And as Matt Walsh correctly stated, it was sad because they really thought they were soul mateys.

00:48:48.000 So, very, very sad stuff.

00:48:50.000 Amanda Sparrow Teague wrote on social media, she changed her name to a dead pirate's name.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, this is a healthy person.

00:48:58.000 She wrote, I guess that she found it unsatisfying for some reason.

00:48:59.000 Well, I guess, you know, when you mess around with ghosts, then your aura when you mess around with ghosts, then your aura ends up slimed.

00:49:21.000 Very, very weird stuff.

00:49:22.000 So, good stuff.

00:49:23.000 Teague said, growing up in Ireland, in my era, you were taught that if a man bedded you, he should wed you.

00:49:27.000 I knew from my research that spiritual marriage was a thing.

00:49:29.000 So it was more than, it was more me that wanted to get married than him.

00:49:33.000 He would have been happy, like most men, with just sex. 0.99

00:49:36.000 Because she says that apparently she was having sex with her ghost partner. 0.63

00:49:41.000 The apparition began on a happier note in 2014 when she said she suddenly felt the spirit's energy with her in bed.

00:49:47.000 She told the Daily Star the spirit sat with her while she watched TV and drove her car and that she started developing strong feelings toward it.

00:49:54.000 Alright, it's worth noting that in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, by the way, the character of Edward Deag was played by Keith Richards and is the father of Jack Sparrow.

00:50:03.000 So, presumably, His actual full name, Jack Sparrow, would be Jack Teague.

00:50:07.000 So she just has a... I guess that she just really likes Johnny Depp a lot, like Faye Johnny Depp.

00:50:12.000 So, a sad end to a meaningful relationship.

00:50:17.000 And I guess that we should all mourn.

00:50:19.000 I mean, let's be real about this.

00:50:20.000 When someone's heart breaks over marrying a 300-year-old fake ghost, And they have to break up.

00:50:27.000 And then when all of your hopes and dreams just sort of disappear for no reason, then you have to you have to wonder whether whether life can go on as it did before.

00:50:38.000 You know, what happens under the bedsheet stays under the bedsheet.

00:50:41.000 OK, meanwhile, other things that so let's do a couple of things that I hate.

00:50:49.000 Thing number one that I hate, Sean Illing, who is actually a nice guy. 0.99

00:50:52.000 He writes over at Vox.com, which, as I say very often, is a repository of extreme stupidity. 0.99

00:50:57.000 Sean Illing has an interview with a woman named Kristen Godsey, and it is titled, Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism, According to an Anthropologist. 0.99

00:51:05.000 Yes, I am sure. 0.99

00:51:06.000 Women had better sex. 1.00

00:51:07.000 Is it the tyrannical domination that they really like, or is it the forced redistribution of income? 0.95

00:51:12.000 According to a new book by Kristin Godsey, an anthropologist at the University of Pennsylvania, she argues that women have better sex under socialism. 1.00

00:51:19.000 If that sounds strange to you, consider this. 0.50

00:51:21.000 A survey of East and West Germans after reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women, the socialist side of Germany during the Cold War, has twice as many orgasms as Western women.

00:51:29.000 What in the world accounts for such a wide gap?

00:51:31.000 According to Godsey, it's about social safety nets.

00:51:33.000 If, she argues, you build a society that supports women and doesn't punish them for having children or devalue their labor, it turns out they'll be happier and have better sex.

00:51:41.000 Except for how that is a lie.

00:51:42.000 Except for how all the people in the West, in Europe, at the time this was happening, were living in democratic socialist states with extraordinarily strong safety nets and a serious focus on gender inequity.

00:51:54.000 Maybe, maybe it's because marital rates were actually higher in places like the Soviet Union than they were outside places like the Soviet Union.

00:52:02.000 Because it turns out that inside the Soviet Union, marriage out of wedlock was actually not something that these empires really liked a whole hell of a lot.

00:52:09.000 The line between social safety nets and better sex is blurrier than the title of the book implies.

00:52:13.000 Says Sean Elling, meaning it doesn't exist.

00:52:15.000 But there are some interesting ideas here, and to her credit, Gatsi doesn't reduce everything to a simplistic choice between capitalism and socialism, nor does she call for a return to Soviet-style communism.

00:52:23.000 Her book is really about using socialist principles to offset the gender inequities in capitalist societies.

00:52:29.000 Again, I think that if you really believe that women in the Soviet Union were having better sex because they were in the Soviet Union, it's worked out great in Venezuela. 0.92

00:52:38.000 Obviously, working out everywhere.

00:52:39.000 I mean, using the Soviet Union as the example, you would figure that if you were going to write this book, you'd at least say, oh, women in Norway are having better sex, right? 0.79

00:52:45.000 Isn't Norway the new hot socialist country, even though it's not really socialist?

00:52:48.000 But using the Soviet Union means I get to use Venezuela and Cuba as examples. 0.92

00:52:52.000 So, if you're now using the Soviet Union as a place for great sex, how's Commie China working out? 0.89

00:52:57.000 How about Venezuela? 0.90

00:52:58.000 You think women are happier in these places? 1.00

00:53:00.000 I think not.

00:53:01.000 In Venezuela, unless they're eating stray dogs and then getting down, I'm having a feeling not so great over there.

00:53:08.000 Also, these are all self-reporting surveys.

00:53:10.000 It turns out that self-reporting surveys in the Soviet Union may not reflect reality.

00:53:14.000 Who would have thought?

00:53:16.000 There's that.

00:53:17.000 Meanwhile, another thing that I hate today, there's a guy whose name is Chad Felix Green.

00:53:22.000 He's a conservative. 0.95

00:53:23.000 And he wrote a piece for The Federalist talking about being gay. 0.64

00:53:27.000 He says, the stigma against my conservative politics is worse than the stigma of being gay, meaning that he is treated worse online for being conservative than for being homosexual. 0.99

00:53:35.000 Well, there's a piece today by a woman named Lauren Thiessen called Conservative Gays Need to Shut the F Up. 0.92

00:53:42.000 So proving Chad Felix Green's thesis that it is worse to be a conserver than to be gay in social media, she says, That's good news, right? 1.00

00:53:50.000 I mean, in a utopian society, nobody would much care whether people prefer to F or fall in love with, but everyone would care deeply about the laws and policies that would actually impact the world.

00:53:58.000 So our hypothetical utopian folks wouldn't bat an eye at two men sharing a kiss, but would likely get pretty pissed if someone came around advocating the use of tear gas against people in need, or death for sick people who don't have the money to pay for treatment, Or killing machines for everybody.

00:54:09.000 So in other words, it's good.

00:54:10.000 It's good that Chad Felix Green feels more discriminated against for his conservatism than for his homosexuality. 0.58

00:54:18.000 It's a good thing.

00:54:19.000 So at least they're owning it.

00:54:20.000 At least folks on the left are now owning the fact that they're discriminatory and terrible.

00:54:23.000 So, that's exciting stuff.

00:54:26.000 OK.

00:54:27.000 And the final thing that I hate today, we're going to do a piece of deconstructing the culture.

00:54:30.000 So we haven't deconstructed the culture in a while.

00:54:31.000 When we deconstruct the culture, we take a piece of popular culture and we look at the messaging in that piece of popular culture that you may not have been listening to.

00:54:38.000 Because very often when they play a song on the radio, you may not catch the lyrics.

00:54:41.000 You may not be seeing the music video.

00:54:43.000 Well, our intrepid producer, Senya, sent me a piece that she got from the Googles about the 10 hottest music videos of 2018. 0.99

00:54:51.000 Suffice it to say, replete with stupidity. 0.97

00:54:55.000 And I had to stop when I saw Janelle Monae's pink spelled P Y N K because we can't spell things correctly anymore because that's uncool. 1.00

00:55:02.000 Janelle Monae is the feminist of the day.

00:55:06.000 She is a feminist nouveau. 0.93

00:55:07.000 She is bisexual. 0.99

00:55:08.000 And she says that feminism is all about the female genitalia. 1.00

00:55:13.000 Now, I have to acknowledge that it used to be.

00:55:16.000 I love that we live in a society where the subtlety of baby, it's cold outside, which is Basically, how a lot of wooing goes on, right?

00:55:25.000 I mean, every woman and every man who is honest about this knows that when you are wooing a person of the opposite sex, particularly a man wooing a woman, very often it is the woman who is saying, I need to leave now. 0.91

00:55:34.000 And the guy is saying, why don't you just stick around a little bit longer?

00:55:37.000 That's not rapey. 1.00

00:55:38.000 OK, rapey is when you actually rape somebody. 0.97

00:55:40.000 It is not rapey to say, why don't you stick around? 0.96

00:55:42.000 The girl is divided on whether she wants to go home or whether she wants to stay.

00:55:46.000 And then she decides, you know what?

00:55:47.000 I'm going to stay.

00:55:48.000 Right.

00:55:48.000 That's that's not rapey.

00:55:49.000 That is her making a free will decision.

00:55:51.000 But that's really bad.

00:55:52.000 We got a band, baby.

00:55:52.000 It's cold outside.

00:55:53.000 But real feminism, real feminism is not a woman making a decision to stay with a man. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Real feminism is talking about the actual biology of the vagina. 1.00

00:56:02.000 That's real feminism. 1.00

00:56:03.000 Real feminism is dressing up in costumes that mimic the labia. 1.00

00:56:07.000 That's real feminism. 1.00

00:56:08.000 So here's Janelle Monáe in pink. 1.00

00:56:10.000 I will describe this as best I can without going blue here.

00:56:14.000 And I will tell you the lyrics to this really, I think, fulfilling and emboldening and empowering piece of art from Janelle Monae.

00:56:24.000 Okay.

00:56:44.000 Okay, so, um, um, to explain how terrible this video is, oh my goodness.

00:56:54.000 Okay, so this video is so insanely obscene.

00:56:57.000 So basically, Janelle Monáe, we can pause it. 0.99

00:57:00.000 Janelle Monáe is dressed in a pair of pants that look like labia. 1.00

00:57:04.000 I mean, that's what it is designed to look like. 0.99

00:57:06.000 So she's obviously describing the vagina and the clitoris at a certain point here. 0.99

00:57:12.000 And the idea is that it is empowering to talk about your genitalia ad nauseam. 0.99

00:57:17.000 The actual lyrics are pink like the inside of your blank, and we're supposed to know that means genitalia, baby. 0.99

00:57:22.000 Pink behind all of the doors, crazy. 1.00

00:57:23.000 Pink like the tongue that goes down, obviously a reference to oral sex. 1.00

00:57:26.000 Maybe pink like the paradise found. 0.98

00:57:29.000 This stuff is rated X, right?

00:57:30.000 I mean, these are rated X lyrics.

00:57:31.000 But this thing, by the way, earned a Grammy nomination on Friday.

00:57:36.000 For best music video for this song, because True Art is dressing up on a beach wearing weird pants that look like the female anatomy. 0.99

00:57:45.000 And this is from her Dirty Computer album.

00:57:47.000 Just wonderful stuff.

00:57:48.000 Now, do women really feel empowered by talking about their vajayjays? 0.96

00:57:52.000 Just a question. 0.99

00:57:53.000 Like, I've always found it really off-putting when guys talk about their junk. 0.95

00:57:56.000 I find it not empowering at all. 0.94

00:57:58.000 It's not gentlemanly.

00:57:59.000 It's not good.

00:58:00.000 It's a piece of your anatomy.

00:58:01.000 Do you spend all your day talking about your thumb?

00:58:04.000 It's something that is just there. 0.99

00:58:05.000 So the fact that you're talking about it ad nauseum is really ridiculous. 0.96

00:58:08.000 And the idea that women think, oh, well, you know what? 1.00

00:58:09.000 It makes me more empowered when society accepts that I have a vagina. 1.00

00:58:13.000 Right. 0.99

00:58:13.000 But number one, I've learned that the vagina can be very male. 0.99

00:58:16.000 That's what I have learned from the left, is that just because you have a vagina doesn't make you a female, obviously. 1.00

00:58:21.000 So I don't know why it's empowering to females to talk about the female anatomy. 1.00

00:58:25.000 It's not female anatomy. 1.00

00:58:26.000 It's just anatomy.

00:58:27.000 And it's sometimes associated with the social construction That is femininity. 1.00

00:58:32.000 That's what I've learned from folks on the left.

00:58:33.000 So this shouldn't be empowering to women at all. 0.97

00:58:35.000 In fact, it's cisgender to assume that this is empowering to women. 0.92

00:58:38.000 It's empowering to all people, whether they identify as women or men. 0.99

00:58:42.000 Many men have vaginas. 1.00

00:58:44.000 I have been reliably informed by the scientific community. 0.99

00:58:48.000 So there's that. 0.97

00:58:48.000 Then, even if you assume, you know, put aside that idiocy, and assume that there is in fact a correlation between the female anatomy and being female, I don't understand why that would be the thing that you choose to take pride in. 0.97

00:59:00.000 It seems to me that females have been making the case for a while that they are more than their anatomy, that femininity involves more than just your genitalia, and that men, if they think of you as just your genitalia, that's a bad thing. 0.99

00:59:11.000 That would be objectifying you. 0.96

00:59:13.000 Which I agree with. 0.64

00:59:15.000 And if you want to treat a woman as a full-fledged human being, you probably should not be thinking quite so much about her genitalia and start thinking about the folds of her brain inside. 0.77

00:59:22.000 You should start thinking about the things she thinks, and feels, and the actions she takes in her life.

00:59:27.000 If I were to talk about all the wonderful things that make my wife my wife, Genitalia, like this is a component part, but this is not what makes my wife my wife.

00:59:35.000 Like, every woman on planet Earth has female anatomy. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Okay, all of them.

00:59:41.000 But what makes my wife my wife, what makes her special, and what makes her unique as a woman is not that.

00:59:44.000 What makes her unique as a woman is the fact that she's a wonderful wife, the fact she's a wonderful mother, the fact that she is a doctor.

00:59:50.000 The fact that she does all of these wonderful things every day.

00:59:53.000 That's what makes her a unique person.

00:59:54.000 That's why I respect my wife as a human.

00:59:56.000 But you can't have it both ways. 0.86

00:59:58.000 If you're on the feminist left and you want to reduce females to their genitalia, but then say also that genitalia don't mean that you are female and also men should stop objectifying your genitalia. 1.00

01:00:06.000 And also if you talk about female genitalia, then this makes you a sexist. 0.80

01:00:10.000 None of these things can hold true at the same time.

01:00:12.000 But if this is the empowerment, if this is the new empowerment, we got to ban baby cold.

01:00:16.000 Baby, it's cold outside. 0.73

01:00:17.000 But talking in graphic terms about the appearance of female genitalia, that's empowerment. 1.00

01:00:21.000 Man, what a world you have created, you morons. 1.00

01:00:24.000 Okay, we will be back here tomorrow to talk more about our moronic world. 1.00

01:00:27.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - December 12, 2018

Shutdown Showdown | Ep. 678

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