The Ben Shapiro Show - So. Much. Journalisming. | Ep. 794

00:00:00.000 MSNBC goes wild for Mayor Pete, Stephen Colbert spills the beans on political comedy, and President Trump gets the royal treatment.

00:00:07.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:08.000 Well, Trump in Britain always is going to bring the laugh, so we have a lot to laugh about today.

00:00:19.000 Mostly the president doing a pretty good job over in Britain, and the Brits making clear that their brand of comedy has sunk a bit since Monty Python.

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00:01:34.000 Okay, we begin today with more media heroism.

00:01:37.000 So over the past 48 hours, really over the past week, We've seen an enormous amount of journalism.

00:01:42.000 I mean, true journalism.

00:01:44.000 So we saw the Daily Beast go after a Rando who posted a video of Nancy Pelosi slurring her words because it was deeply important for us to find out that he was an African-American Trump supporter who had an itinerant work history and had a criminal conviction.

00:01:57.000 Very, very important.

00:01:59.000 And then today you had BuzzFeed go after a guy for the grand crime of properly handling a racist.

00:02:06.000 According to Ash Scowl, writing over the Daily Wire, a man working the front desk at a Holiday Inn Express in Austin, Texas, became an internet hero on Monday due to the way he calmly responded to a woman who had called him an effing N-word earlier on the phone.

00:02:18.000 The man filmed himself telling the woman he wouldn't let her stay at the hotel and that it's above me now.

00:02:22.000 The woman apologizes for the slur she used. 0.98

00:02:24.000 She said she had a bad day.

00:02:25.000 A family member had recently died.

00:02:27.000 The hotel clerk didn't give in.

00:02:28.000 He said it was hurtful for him to hear what she said and directed her to the best Western hotel next door. 0.97

00:02:33.000 The guy happens to be both black and gay.

00:02:34.000 He quickly became a meme on Sunday night and into Monday. 0.97

00:02:38.000 Good news!

00:02:39.000 BuzzFeed then decided to drag up his old tweets.

00:02:42.000 I kid you not.

00:02:43.000 So this guy apparently properly handled a racist who called him an effing n-word on the phone.

00:02:48.000 And then, everybody decided it was important to resurface everything he had ever written on Twitter and thus to ruin his life.

00:02:54.000 BuzzFeed News wrote about his video, soon after, internet sleuths, as BuzzFeed News called them, this is what we're calling people who are jackasses now, people who decide that whenever anybody jumps into the public eye, we have to go back and look up anything they have ever said.

00:03:09.000 You know, that human beings are not shaded.

00:03:10.000 Either they are entirely good and heroic, or they are entirely bad and evil.

00:03:13.000 And if they've done a bad or evil thing, or even a thing that has just crossed the politically correct lines drawn by our society, if they do those things, then we have to cast them out among the lepers. 0.99

00:03:24.000 BuzzFeed News wrote that internet sleuths dug through the man's old tweets and found his past comments about transgender individuals.

00:03:31.000 Blue check Twitter users then amplified his past tweets, many of which simply state his opinion that he doesn't agree with transgenderism and pointing out that men can't get pregnant and women can't fertilize an egg, which is basic biology.

00:03:43.000 Other tweets were responding to members of the trans community criticizing his tweets.

00:03:47.000 It doesn't matter. 1.00

00:03:48.000 The guy is gay and black. 0.99

00:03:49.000 Not intersectional enough, my friends. 0.99

00:03:51.000 He happens to be a biological man who believes that biological males exist.

00:03:56.000 BuzzFeed took its original story, louding the guy, and then updated it to include the man's past tweets and join in on the shaming. 0.76

00:04:02.000 The man initially responded, repeating what he had said on Twitter, that he was not against transgender individuals, but he's not with it, meaning the phenomenon of society approving of transgenderism as something but a mental disorder, presumably. 0.90

00:04:13.000 He said, they're mad, lol, I said what I said. 0.96

00:04:15.000 People are so sensitive.

00:04:16.000 I'm gay, and I know people will not agree with me being gay.

00:04:19.000 I just don't, and will never get trans. 0.99

00:04:21.000 Period.

00:04:23.000 That didn't stop the social justice mob from coming after him.

00:04:25.000 So, this is the way things work now.

00:04:28.000 A guy does something that the left cheers, and then even that guy gets destroyed because he once posted a tweet that some people on the social justice warrior left do not like.

00:04:38.000 This is the world in which we now live, and our mainstream media outlet's pushing this.

00:04:41.000 BuzzFeed News is a mainstream outlet.

00:04:43.000 It is a highly, highly trafficked outlet with production deals in place from major companies for tens of millions of dollars.

00:04:51.000 So newsy.

00:04:52.000 So incredibly newsy.

00:04:53.000 BuzzFeed, of course, just last week, went after me with the suggestion that a guy who tried to swastika a synagogue had been inspired by my writing.

00:05:01.000 Which you'd have to be insane to believe.

00:05:03.000 I'm an Orthodox Jew who is the lead antagonist of the alt-right.

00:05:06.000 But BuzzFeed News doing yeoman's work.

00:05:09.000 The Daily Beast doing yeoman's work.

00:05:10.000 Resurfacing.

00:05:12.000 All of the criminal history of a man who made a video about Nancy Pelosi that made her seem slightly drunk.

00:05:17.000 Man, I'm so glad our journalists are on the beat.

00:05:19.000 I can't understand why Americans don't take our media so seriously anymore.

00:05:23.000 I just I don't understand it.

00:05:24.000 I mean, when they are engaged in such journalism on a regular basis, why wouldn't we take them seriously?

00:05:32.000 These are these are the people, the honest truth to power people, absolute truth to power.

00:05:37.000 And this spreads over into, obviously, presidential politics.

00:05:42.000 So Chris Matthews, all I'm gonna say is doing an interview with Pete Buttigieg, Mayor Pete, South Bend, Indiana.

00:05:49.000 Indiana's a state I don't know much about.

00:05:50.000 I get up in the morning, come to the show, come on in, and I say, where's Indiana?

00:05:54.000 Everybody says, I don't know.

00:05:55.000 I say, well, seems like a state.

00:05:58.000 Like the Pacers, they play in Indiana, right?

00:06:00.000 He's got Reggie Miller.

00:06:01.000 He's a good player.

00:06:02.000 Rick Smits.

00:06:03.000 Don't know much about him beyond that.

00:06:04.000 Ah!

00:06:05.000 Well, he decides that he's going to have on Pete Buttigieg.

00:06:07.000 I will point out here that the town halls that have been run on Fox News have been run with their objective news anchors.

00:06:14.000 That'd be people like Martha McCallum or people like Bret Baier.

00:06:18.000 The town halls on MSNBC are run by Chris Matthews, an ardent Democrat, who likes to push Democrats as hard as he possibly can.

00:06:26.000 Get up in the morning, come to the show and push Democrats.

00:06:29.000 Put them on my little scooter, push them around.

00:06:31.000 So here he is praising Pete Buttigieg.

00:06:33.000 He opens up by talking about Pete Buttigieg being the most important candidate since Jesus Christ.

00:06:40.000 First arrived in Bethlehem.

00:06:42.000 I mean, this guy is just, Mayor Pete is a hero to millions.

00:06:46.000 He's a saint.

00:06:48.000 Listen to this intro from Chris Matthews.

00:06:50.000 Honestly, this is not shock from Chris Matthews.

00:06:52.000 I don't know if you remember this, but back in 2008, he talked about how he got a tingle up his leg.

00:06:57.000 Sitting there watching Barack Obama.

00:06:59.000 Sitting there, suddenly my leg is tingling.

00:07:00.000 I thought I'm having a heart attack.

00:07:01.000 No, it wasn't a heart attack.

00:07:03.000 It was sexual distraction.

00:07:04.000 Chris Matthews, talk about Mayor Pete Buttigieg, go!

00:07:07.000 Not since Barack Obama was a candidate has someone ignited so much buzz, so fast.

00:07:14.000 He's 37 years old, a graduate of Harvard, a Rhodes Scholar, a Naval Reserve officer who was deployed to Afghanistan, and the mayor of a small city in Indiana, population 100,000, Pete Buttigieg.

00:07:28.000 He says his eight years leading South Bend, Indiana gives him more experience to be president than Donald Trump had.

00:07:35.000 He gave me a tour of his hometown, which a decade ago was cited as one of America's 10 dying cities, the same year Buttigieg was elected mayor.

00:07:44.000 And then he proceeds to go into this hagiographic description of South Bend, how everything is all about it.

00:07:49.000 Crime rates in South Bend still suck, by the way.

00:07:51.000 South Bend has not been healed as a city.

00:07:53.000 You know, Buttigieg is a controversial mayor, to say the least.

00:07:57.000 He is not this kind of wonder-kind mayor who has healed the city and made all the problems go away.

00:08:03.000 There are a lot of minority folks in the city who are very angry at Pete Buttigieg.

00:08:06.000 They say that he basically was bulldozing minority-owned housing for some of his public-private projects.

00:08:11.000 In any case, that opener, that he's the most buzzed-about candidate since Barack Obama in 2008, Yeah, there's this guy who ran for president.

00:08:18.000 I don't know if you remember his name.

00:08:21.000 2015 or so, comes down an escalator and proceeds to own every piece of media coverage ever.

00:08:27.000 Like, media coverage going back all the way to the time of the Romans.

00:08:31.000 This guy was so buzzed about that he became president on the basis of basically being him.

00:08:37.000 You may recall him because he's currently president of the United States.

00:08:39.000 If we're gonna talk about candidates who have drawn buzz, Mayor Pete don't rank in like the top five.

00:08:45.000 Mayor Pete has driven enough buzz to get him to about 6% in the latest polls presidentially.

00:08:50.000 That's where he is.

00:08:52.000 There's a new CNN poll out today.

00:08:53.000 Pete Buttigieg is at 5%.

00:08:58.000 Does that sound like somebody who's received just the most buzz since Barack Obama?

00:09:02.000 Doesn't to me.

00:09:03.000 Sounds like somebody who's got a lot of people in sort of the left liberal white enclaves of the media buzzing. 0.98

00:09:09.000 But outside those enclaves, does anybody give a crap about Pete Buttigieg? 0.96

00:09:12.000 Really not so much. 0.98

00:09:13.000 He's kind of like Beto O'Rourke.

00:09:15.000 By the way, he is tied with Beto O'Rourke in the polls right now.

00:09:19.000 But apparently, according to Chris Matthews, someone's journalized me, just journalized me all over Pete Buttigieg over here, talking about Pete Buttigieg being the most buzzed about candidate.

00:09:27.000 I trust our journalistic class.

00:09:29.000 Man, are they good at their job.

00:09:30.000 And then my favorite part of this particular interview with Pete Buttigieg is Matthews basically trying to steer Pete Buttigieg where he wants him to go.

00:09:39.000 It really is incredible.

00:09:41.000 It's like me trying to teach my five-year-old how to ride a bicycle.

00:09:44.000 You sort of point her front wheel, then you give her a little push, and then she sort of falls over.

00:09:49.000 That was this interview.

00:09:50.000 Pete Buttigieg fell over a lot, and then when my daughter falls over on her bike, then I say, good job, honey, let's try it again.

00:09:57.000 That was this interview.

00:09:58.000 Basically, Chris Matthews gets Pete Buttigieg on the bike.

00:10:02.000 Okay, we're gonna push it down this hill a little bit, and if you fall over, we'll pick you right up.

00:10:06.000 Little Pete will pick you right up, brush off your boo-boos, and then we'll talk some more about why you're so great.

00:10:11.000 So here is Chris Matthews talking to Pete Buttigieg about slavery reparations, which, for the record, was not on the table for Democrats until five minutes ago.

00:10:19.000 Everybody in the Democratic Party feels the necessity now to talk about slavery reparations.

00:10:24.000 Now, check my math.

00:10:26.000 Slavery ended in the United States in 1865.

00:10:28.000 The current year, if I am not mistaken, is 2019.

00:10:32.000 That means that 154 years later, we are talking about slavery reparations to people who are the great, great, great, great, great grandchildren of slaves, for the most part.

00:10:48.000 And from people who were never involved in slavery.

00:10:53.000 The vast majority of white people in America were never involved in slavery.

00:10:55.000 Many of them are descended from people who died to end slavery.

00:10:59.000 Nonetheless, this has become kind of the rote part of the democratic Stump speech in 2020 is that slavery reparations ought to be on the table, all because everybody in the left has also decided that Ta-Nehisi Coates is a great intellect, the wildly overrated writer from the Atlantic whose expertise in purple prose.

00:11:17.000 I mean, my goodness, that guy's writing is overwrought.

00:11:20.000 He thinks he's James Baldwin.

00:11:22.000 He's like James Baldwin if somebody took an entire bucket of fuchsia paint and poured it on him.

00:11:27.000 I mean, his writing is just dripping with overwrought, annoying purple silliness.

00:11:34.000 And everybody on the left has embraced it because, of course, this is how they show they are woke.

00:11:37.000 So here is Chris Matthews urging Pete Buttigieg to show that he's woke.

00:11:39.000 Buttigieg, by the way, needs this because Buttigieg has approximately zero percent of the black vote right now because it turns out that black voters are not super into a 37-year-old mayor from South Bend, Indiana.

00:11:51.000 Who has no particular connection with the black community.

00:11:55.000 So now we're going to just try to go full pander.

00:11:58.000 Here's Chris Mann.

00:11:59.000 Let's talk about slavery reparations, Pete Buttigieg.

00:12:01.000 What do you think of slavery?

00:12:02.000 Is it good or is it bad?

00:12:02.000 Let's do this thing.

00:12:04.000 What would be the form of representation that would have an ongoing, enduring value to African Americans in this country?

00:12:10.000 Not just money up front, but a change in their opportunity.

00:12:14.000 How do you do it?

00:12:15.000 Yeah, that's what the commission ought to work out.

00:12:16.000 But there's no way you can do it without putting dollar resources behind it.

00:12:19.000 Now, the right can't wait to caricature this as a check in the mail that they say would be unfair.

00:12:27.000 But we did it with Japanese Americans.

00:12:28.000 That's right.

00:12:29.000 And there can be ways of doing this that are fair or at least bring us to a more just reality than the one we're living in right now.

00:12:36.000 OK, that sounds like not an answer.

00:12:38.000 That sounds like I love Chris Matthews saying, right, that's a good idea.

00:12:41.000 Commission people talk about it.

00:12:43.000 And then the Republicans are mean.

00:12:45.000 I agree.

00:12:46.000 I agree.

00:12:47.000 Yes, so much journalism.

00:12:47.000 People to judge.

00:12:51.000 I love Pete Buttigieg's response to all of that.

00:12:53.000 You know, we did this with Japanese Americans.

00:12:55.000 Yes, they had just been freed from internment, unjust internment, during World War II.

00:13:00.000 So the people who had been wrongly imprisoned were paid money.

00:13:03.000 Just like today, people who are wrongly imprisoned are usually given massive legal settlements.

00:13:08.000 The Japanese Americans were not talking about their victimization at the hands of other people 154 years beforehand.

00:13:14.000 Or how that would get done.

00:13:16.000 Don't worry, there's more Chris Matthews coming up.

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00:14:26.000 OK, so Chris Matthews continues on his tour of Pete Buttigieg's mind.

00:14:30.000 It's great.

00:14:32.000 So he continues along this way, gets up in the morning, comes out of the show and he talks about impeachment.

00:14:37.000 Why don't you impeach?

00:14:38.000 Impeach! 1.00

00:14:38.000 Do it, Pete Buttigieg! 1.00

00:14:40.000 Doesn't matter that Buttigieg isn't in Congress.

00:14:41.000 Doesn't matter that he's not going to be president.

00:14:43.000 Let's talk about impeachment.

00:14:44.000 Go! 0.95

00:14:49.000 Look how he answered that question.

00:14:58.000 It's not as though I was looking for an answer that I was definitely going to get right there.

00:15:03.000 That's journalism.

00:15:04.000 Journalism-ing all up in here.

00:15:06.000 I mean, unbelievable.

00:15:07.000 And then Chris Matthews finally asks Pete Buttigieg about his take regarding Vladimir Putin.

00:15:14.000 He says that he wants Buttigieg to respond to what he would say to Putin the first time he met him. 1.00

00:15:20.000 I have these fantasies, Pete Buttigieg, that the first time you meet Vladimir Putin, you'd rip his face off and shove it up his ass. 1.00

00:15:20.000 What would you say to him? 1.00

00:15:26.000 That's my fantasy.

00:15:28.000 Can you make my fantasies come true for real, Pete Buttigieg?

00:15:31.000 What would you say?

00:15:32.000 Chris Matthews, I'm gonna say, go!

00:15:34.000 If you're elected President of the United States, what would you say to Vladimir Putin the first time you met him?

00:15:41.000 Because you will get to meet him.

00:15:43.000 Well, don't mess with our elections.

00:15:44.000 Thank you.

00:15:45.000 Thank you.

00:15:46.000 Look at the toughness on him.

00:15:46.000 Oh, my God.

00:15:47.000 He'd say, don't mess with our elections. 0.99

00:15:49.000 And then Vladimir Putin would laugh in his face and rip his leg off and beat him to death. 0.96

00:15:51.000 How is that even a question? 0.97

00:15:58.000 What would you say?

00:15:59.000 I have a fantasy.

00:16:00.000 What would you say, Pete Buttigieg?

00:16:04.000 Well, how about, like, what would your policy be to counter Russian aggression?

00:16:07.000 Like, that's a question.

00:16:09.000 But I love the fanfic that is happening here from Chris Matthews and the left media to these Democratic candidates.

00:16:14.000 So what would you say?

00:16:15.000 Would it be the most, would you say the most brutal thing?

00:16:17.000 Would you say a cutting remark?

00:16:18.000 A witty, cutting, Aaron Sorkin remark?

00:16:20.000 People to judge?

00:16:22.000 Would you?

00:16:23.000 And people just, yeah, I would say, stop messing with our elections.

00:16:26.000 It's like, thank you.

00:16:27.000 Oh, my God.

00:16:29.000 Tingling in the leg, in the head, everywhere.

00:16:31.000 Tingling everywhere.

00:16:33.000 Why don't people trust our media?

00:16:34.000 Why?

00:16:35.000 I mean, with questions being asked like that, why?

00:16:37.000 Now, listen, I know that there are a lot of people on the left right now listening and they're going, well, listen, Fox News did the same thing with President Trump.

00:16:43.000 And it is true. 0.71

00:16:44.000 There are hosts on Fox News who did exactly the same thing with President Trump.

00:16:48.000 I made fun of them.

00:16:48.000 And you know what I did?

00:16:49.000 Go back and listen to the show.

00:16:51.000 Back in 2016.

00:16:52.000 I am not very much in favor of journalists asking questions to politicians that are simply there for purposes of kiss-ass or the sort of leading them around on a leash.

00:17:02.000 Here's the answer I want you to give to me and then if I get that answer I will show you how pleased I am.

00:17:07.000 I don't like it when it's right or when it's left.

00:17:09.000 This is why a lot of people have criticized the media for being harsh on Trump.

00:17:12.000 I've never really criticized the media for being harsh to Trump.

00:17:15.000 I've criticized the media for being unfair to Trump.

00:17:17.000 And there's been a lot of that.

00:17:18.000 Mischaracterization of President Trump.

00:17:20.000 Drawing conclusions where conclusions do not need to be drawn.

00:17:23.000 Attempting to push a Russian collusion hoax that was in fact a hoax.

00:17:26.000 There was no collusion.

00:17:28.000 Exaggerating evidence that wasn't there.

00:17:30.000 Suggesting that the big scandal was just around the corner. 1.00

00:17:33.000 All of that stuff was a bunch of crap. 0.99

00:17:35.000 And I ripped the media for that. 0.99

00:17:36.000 But when it came to, they're covering how he handles Trump Hotel.

00:17:39.000 Or they're covering the Trump Tower meeting.

00:17:42.000 Or they're covering the stuff that President Trump has said at odd times, and he's said bad things.

00:17:47.000 I've never ripped the media for that.

00:17:49.000 In fact, I've been one of the few commentators on the right who has said that when President Trump says fake news, I do not like the label unless it is being applied to legitimately fake news.

00:17:58.000 When he applies it to just stuff he doesn't like, that is not fake news.

00:18:01.000 That's just stuff that Trump doesn't like.

00:18:02.000 I'm also one of the few people on the right who has said that when Trump uses the enemy of the people routine, I don't like that either.

00:18:07.000 Chris Matthews isn't an enemy of the people.

00:18:10.000 He may be an enemy of intelligence, but he is not an enemy of the people.

00:18:13.000 He may be an enemy of hairspray, but he is not an enemy of the people.

00:18:18.000 He just, he disagrees with me.

00:18:18.000 Right?

00:18:19.000 Okay.

00:18:19.000 He disagrees with you.

00:18:20.000 That's, that's fine.

00:18:21.000 But when people look at the media and they see folks like Chris Matthews run out there as journalists, it begins to annoy them.

00:18:28.000 And it's not just our journalist class.

00:18:30.000 It is also our comedian class.

00:18:32.000 One of the things that is highly irritating to so many people on the right That there are certain groups of professions where you assume that a certain level of baseline honesty and that honesty is supposed to extend to both sides of the aisle.

00:18:44.000 I think one of the reasons that people like this show is because everybody knows I'm conservative.

00:18:47.000 I'm very open about that.

00:18:48.000 But I'm going to give you my honest take on what's happening in politics.

00:18:51.000 This is why when President Trump does something good, I will praise it.

00:18:53.000 When he does something bad, I will rip it.

00:18:55.000 Because you're getting my honest take on this stuff.

00:18:57.000 Well, people sort of expect the same thing from their comedians, except the comedians don't come out and state their politics openly.

00:19:03.000 Instead, they pretend that they're just there for the comedy.

00:19:05.000 We're just here because we are comic relief.

00:19:09.000 We're just here to be the jesters, to be the high and the mighty, to mock them in the way that the jester mocks king leader.

00:19:17.000 And we're just going to walk around and we're going to comment on the action.

00:19:20.000 That's what comedians are there to do.

00:19:21.000 And so when people on the right look at comedians and it turns out they're a bunch of leftist hacks who basically are Chris Matthews with a couple of badly written punchlines, people start to get angry.

00:19:31.000 It's no wonder that the right is angry at late night TV, because this is what late night TV has become.

00:19:35.000 Stephen Colbert has a long interview in the New York Times Magazine, which is the most boring magazine in the world, apparently.

00:19:41.000 I mean, it's like, it's like Nunn's Life, the New York Times Magazine, in terms of magazines.

00:19:47.000 In any case, Yes, that was an airplane reference.

00:19:51.000 In any case, the interview with Stephen Colbert in the New York Times is pretty telling because he does state exactly where he is.

00:19:57.000 And this is why everyone on the right has turned off Stephen Colbert.

00:19:59.000 It's also why the left, which has decided to politicize everything, has basically made Stephen Colbert the champion of late night.

00:20:07.000 So Colbert is not funny.

00:20:08.000 There was a time when he was on The Daily Show when he was funny because his mandate was to go make fun of pretty much everybody.

00:20:13.000 And so as a correspondent on The Daily Show, I vividly recall one segment that Stephen Colbert did where he made fun of Al Sharpton.

00:20:20.000 He went and interviewed Al Sharpton.

00:20:21.000 It was really funny.

00:20:22.000 It was when Al Sharpton was doing his hunger strike over Guantanamo Bay.

00:20:26.000 And I remember Stephen Colbert kind of prodding and going, it looks like somebody here could use a hunger strike.

00:20:30.000 This is Al Sharpton in his fat days.

00:20:33.000 It was pretty funny stuff.

00:20:34.000 Now Stephen Colbert has just become a Chuck Schumer talking points machine.

00:20:38.000 He and Jimmy Kimmel are in the College of Cardinals of leftist comedy.

00:20:42.000 And then they just have an open competition as to whom will be elected pope of leftist comedy.

00:20:46.000 And then somewhere in the background is Jimmy Fallon going, guys, I want into the club, please.

00:20:51.000 Like, no, it's too late.

00:20:52.000 You ruffled Donald Trump's hair.

00:20:54.000 You can't.

00:20:55.000 And so he's been falling in the ratings because he wasn't woke enough to begin with.

00:20:59.000 Well, there's only one problem with that, which is that most of the country is not particularly interested in Stephen Colbert's brand of comedy.

00:21:05.000 He only has to win a very, very small segment of the audience to win Late Night.

00:21:09.000 Nobody watches Late Night anymore.

00:21:11.000 Probably nearly as many people watch this show on a daily basis as watch Colbert's show.

00:21:16.000 Maybe more, if you count our radio show.

00:21:18.000 But nonetheless, we'll get to Stephen Colbert's perspective in just one second.

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00:22:29.000 All right, so Stephen Colbert does this interview with the New York Times.

00:22:31.000 It is incredibly fawning, as most of these interviews are.

00:22:34.000 And here's what he says.

00:22:35.000 He's asked, Now, this is normally where you would stop and say, then you're not doing your job, right?

00:22:38.000 I mean, like, you're a comedian.

00:22:39.000 And Colbert says, "I make no claim that we do." Sometimes it's the same joke.

00:22:43.000 Now, this is normally where you would stop and say, then you're not doing your job, right?

00:22:47.000 I mean, like you're a comedian.

00:22:48.000 Wouldn't you have to make different jokes?

00:22:50.000 Half of humor is the element of surprise.

00:22:52.000 No, you can keep making the same joke about Trump and your leftist audience will eat it up.

00:22:56.000 And it's not even a callback joke.

00:22:57.000 Like when I do my Chris Matthews voice, it basically is a callback joke because it's inherently funny because it's kind of a mediocre impersonation, but it's got sort of the cadence down.

00:23:08.000 But it's a callback joke, mostly.

00:23:09.000 Like, half of the funniness is the familiarity of it.

00:23:12.000 That's not the case with the punchlines that he tells about Trump.

00:23:15.000 He says sometimes there's still meat left on that chicken.

00:23:17.000 Trump consumes the news cycle, and our mandate, says Stephen Colbert, as we've established for ourselves, is that I want to inform the audience of my opinion about what they've been thinking about all day.

00:23:25.000 So if the news has been orange Thanos, then I'm not going to change that.

00:23:28.000 I'm going to do my best to stand in the teeth of that particular bleep hurricane and make jokes about how we're all being lied to for my own heart's ease.

00:23:35.000 I'm not going to pretend that Trump is not lying to me.

00:23:37.000 The alternative is to stick your head in the sand.

00:23:39.000 Oh, what a truth teller he is.

00:23:40.000 This is the same guy who spent his years on on the Colbert report, mocking Bill O'Reilly and smooching Barack Obama's posterior.

00:23:48.000 But what a truth teller he is.

00:23:50.000 Now, listen, I do appreciate that Stephen Colbert is basically now just saying, look, I'm a leftist.

00:23:54.000 I'm gonna make leftist jokes.

00:23:55.000 All right.

00:23:56.000 That at least is fair.

00:23:57.000 But it is worth noting that when a lot of these comedians do the clown nose on, clown nose off routine, where it's like, well, I make a joke about Trump because I'm a comedian.

00:24:04.000 I make jokes about everybody.

00:24:06.000 And then the minute they talk politics, I'm sincere.

00:24:09.000 I'm sincerely a Democrat on the left.

00:24:10.000 I'm a sincere, sincere person.

00:24:13.000 Pick one or pick the other.

00:24:14.000 If you're a Democrat who makes jokes or you're a joker who happens to be a Democrat.

00:24:18.000 But you can't be both.

00:24:20.000 And people like Stephen Colbert want to pretend they're both, they really are not.

00:24:23.000 The New York Times says, that thing about not wanting to let Trump get away with a lie.

00:24:27.000 Is it fair to say you feel a moral imperative behind your work?

00:24:30.000 Well, look at those hard-hitting questions from the New York Times.

00:24:32.000 Well, when you make jokes about politicians, there's what they say and what they do.

00:24:36.000 It's hard to make jokes about someone who says something and then kind of does it.

00:24:39.000 But with a guy who points east with his words and west with his action, that's where all the jokes live.

00:24:43.000 Now, what are the things he's lying about?

00:24:44.000 If the things he's lying about have a moral component, your jokes will have a moral component.

00:24:48.000 In other words, you don't choose the flavor.

00:24:49.000 The flavor is chosen by politics itself.

00:24:53.000 And then, the New York Times asks a more important question.

00:24:55.000 They say, "There's a sort of general answer "about the default moral nature of political satire.

00:24:59.000 "I was asking more specifically about whether or not "you personally feel any sense of moral obligation "about your work." He says, "No." Okay, that's obviously a lie.

00:25:07.000 He obviously does feel a moral sense of obligation.

00:25:09.000 He has just said in his past two answers that he feels a sense that he has to speak truth to Orange Thanos or he can't sleep at night.

00:25:15.000 But now he's going to tell you about his high-minded comedying.

00:25:18.000 This is what I mean by the clown is on, clown is off routine.

00:25:20.000 He says, I mean, I have morality.

00:25:22.000 I suppose it's rated to my catholicity.

00:25:25.000 You mean Catholicism?

00:25:26.000 It says I was raised in a devout Catholic home and bottle-fed Robert Boltzmann for all seasons, which is about how it's important that you not let the tide of history sweep you along if you don't actually agree with it.

00:25:35.000 And William Buckley said he stands with Ward History yelling, stop. 0.96

00:25:38.000 I think we with this show stand with Ward History and say, that's dumb. 0.99

00:25:40.000 What a little bleep that is. 0.97

00:25:42.000 Is that moral?

00:25:42.000 I don't know.

00:25:43.000 I know that public lies that you are impelled to believe are worse than private ones, but I'm not Aaron Brockovich.

00:25:47.000 I'm sure as hell not Howard Beale.

00:25:50.000 A fair amount of the time I'm making poop jokes.

00:25:51.000 Matter of fact, Jon Stewart, when it looked like the Colbert Report had come out of the box fully assembled and was going to happen, he said to me, when your children go up to get their diplomas at whatever college they end up going to, I want you to whisper to yourself quietly as they get the sheepskin, I paid for some of this with poop jokes.

00:26:05.000 Well, again, this is the part that drives people on the right up a wall.

00:26:10.000 Up a wall.

00:26:12.000 Just say what you mean, dude.

00:26:14.000 You're a far lefty and you like making jokes about Trump and you feel a moral sense that you have to make jokes about Trump.

00:26:18.000 Don't tell us it's all about the poop jokes. 0.72

00:26:20.000 It isn't about the poop jokes. 0.57

00:26:21.000 The poop jokes are a way for you to make money off of hating President Trump, off of hating Republicans and conservatives.

00:26:27.000 And that's why your poop jokes don't land most of the time.

00:26:30.000 Colbert has become a less funny human being since he decided he was a political partisan.

00:26:35.000 The fact is, you can be a political commentator with some humor.

00:26:38.000 I think that's what this show is.

00:26:39.000 Or you can be a comedian who does some politics.

00:26:42.000 That's theoretically what Colbert's show is, but his show is probably closer to mine now.

00:26:46.000 And I haven't changed my show one iota since the very first day we started doing it.

00:26:51.000 That says something about why people are not as interested in late night TV generally, at least on the right.

00:26:58.000 He says, for example, The New York Times asked Colbert, the other day your monologue was about the de facto Alabama abortion ban.

00:27:04.000 He said, yeah, I'd avoided making jokes about it because you just can't win making jokes about abortion.

00:27:08.000 Half of the people are just going to be mad at you.

00:27:10.000 But Alabama was an unavoidable one. 0.99

00:27:12.000 The reason we did it was because that was about, I thought, a very cynical, purposeful overreach.

00:27:16.000 Even the people who are writing the law said they don't want that law.

00:27:19.000 He's going to have to cite some sources on the people who wrote that law don't want the law.

00:27:22.000 I've talked to the people who wrote the law.

00:27:24.000 They want the law.

00:27:25.000 Okay, so in other words, again, he says, oh no, you know, I wasn't, you're gonna piss off, but Alabama, that's when I had to make my stand.

00:27:33.000 Pick a lane.

00:27:35.000 Pick a lane.

00:27:36.000 Either, if you're Chris Matthews, pick a lane.

00:27:38.000 Are you a journalist or are you a democratic hack?

00:27:41.000 If you're Stephen Colbert, are you a comedian or are you a leftist hack?

00:27:44.000 Which one is it gonna be?

00:27:45.000 And you can say you're a comedian with left leanings.

00:27:47.000 I'm okay with that.

00:27:48.000 But that means occasionally you're gonna have to tell jokes about people with whom you agree politically.

00:27:53.000 It's pretty, no wonder people don't trust the media.

00:27:56.000 Okay, meanwhile, President Trump is over in Britain, being greeted by some of the most mature humor that the great minds over in Britain have to offer.

00:28:07.000 So, there's this story that was pumped up, no pun intended, by the Huffington Post. 0.88

00:28:12.000 Uh, about a farmer who, uh, or I guess a British high school student, a cheeky British high school student, carved a giant penis into his family's spacious lawns to give Donald Trump a big resistance hello as the president flew into London on Monday. 0.99

00:28:27.000 The penis paired with the words, Oi Trump! 0.99

00:28:30.000 Well, I guess that, you know, according to the Constitution, Article 35, Trump is no longer the president. 0.99

00:28:33.000 instead airport where Trump landed.

00:28:35.000 The protest art also included a giant polar bear with the message, climate change is real.

00:28:39.000 Well, I guess that, you know, according to the constitution, article 35, Trump is no longer the president. 0.95

00:28:44.000 If he sees a giant penis mowed into a lawn from the air, He's done. 0.99

00:28:50.000 It's amazing. 0.99

00:28:50.000 I know you didn't know about that particular provision of the Constitution. 0.99

00:28:53.000 Turns out it's true. 0.96

00:28:55.000 All I could think of when I saw this picture of a high school cartoon penis labeled Oy Trump and then pushed by the Huffington Post. 0.99

00:29:08.000 All I could think of is Trump from the air going, I'd sell it. 0.98

00:29:12.000 I mean, wait till they see this thing.

00:29:15.000 Because you know that that was Trump's response, right?

00:29:17.000 I do love all the people in Britain who think that they've really gotten under Trump's skin with this sort of thing.

00:29:23.000 And it's not just that.

00:29:25.000 It's also there are protests in in London.

00:29:28.000 And not only were there protests in London, the BBC, which is the state sponsored broadcast network, as I have been made aware, it's a state sponsored broadcast network.

00:29:36.000 Of course, I knew this for Forever.

00:29:38.000 I mean, it's the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation. 1.00

00:29:41.000 And the and the BBC had in the studio the blimp of baby Trump, which is a staple of resistance stupidity. 1.00

00:29:49.000 It's just a blimp that looks like Trump. 0.99

00:29:51.000 It isn't all that big.

00:29:52.000 I remember when the when the media started pushing this, they made it sound like it was the size of the Hindenburg.

00:29:56.000 In fact, it's basically, you know, the size of like a small bouncy house.

00:30:02.000 And the BBC had it in studio.

00:30:04.000 Here is what that looked like. 0.98

00:30:06.000 President Trump touched down in the UK for his state visit an hour ago, and he kicked things off with one of his trademark controversial tweets, describing the Mayor of London as a foolishly nasty and a stone-cold loser. 0.77

00:30:20.000 Protests are planned across the UK, including in London, where a bigger version of this Trump baby balloon is due to fly over the capital. 0.56

00:30:29.000 And they had it in studio.

00:30:30.000 Imagine if Fox News had, like, the bullrider mask of Barack Obama in the studio at Fox.

00:30:38.000 What would the reaction be?

00:30:38.000 That's a state-sponsored news outlet, by the way.

00:30:41.000 So when I rip the BBC, it's because the BBC absolutely deserves it, as every conservative in Britain knows, with the exception of people who are paid by the BBC.

00:30:49.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:30:50.000 Okay, we'll get to more of the British treatment of President Trump in just a second.

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00:32:06.000 Alrighty, so in just a second we'll get to the rest of President Trump's quasi-hilarious British visit.

00:32:11.000 We'll also be getting to a debate that is broken out in conservative circles that I think is kind of fascinating and I think is worthy of explication.

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00:33:16.000 All righty, so Jeremy Corbyn, who is a terrorist mouthpiece, he says that President Trump, the Trump-London protest is a chance to stand in solidarity.

00:33:33.000 He's the leader of the British Labour Party and a radical anti-Semite.

00:33:37.000 And he joined a protest against Donald Trump because nothing says good relations quite like protesting a guy you may have to deal with if you become prime minister of the UK.

00:33:47.000 It's just a genius political move.

00:33:49.000 He tweeted out, "Tomorrow's protest against Donald Trump's state visit is an opportunity to stand in solidarity with those he's attacked in America, around the world, and in our own country, including just this morning Sadiq Khan." Sadiq Khan, of course, is considered a victim because Sadiq Khan was ripped on by President Trump.

00:34:05.000 Now, the reason that President Trump ripped on him is because on Saturday, Sadiq Khan wrote a long editorial for The Guardian, which is the far-left newspaper in Britain, called it's un-British to roll out the red carpet for Donald Trump.

00:34:18.000 Now, there's something rich about Sadiq Khan talking about it being un-British to be nice to the American president.

00:34:23.000 The fact is that the dude has some pretty shady connections.

00:34:27.000 According to the Daily Mail, this is back in 2016, before Sadiq Khan was elected to the mayoralty of London.

00:34:35.000 Sadiq Khan, who is a local Labour MP, he was at a funeral in 2016.

00:34:41.000 One figure whose hand he stopped to shake stood out, convicted terrorist Babar Ahmed, a man who had been blamed for inspiring a generation of extremists, including the gang behind the London bombings of July 7th, 2005.

00:34:51.000 The pair exchanged brief pleasantries before Khan moved on.

00:34:55.000 The encounter took place a few months ago, around the time of Khan's nomination as Labour's mayoral candidate.

00:34:59.000 Since then, riding on the crest of Jeremy Corbyn's leftist takeover of the Labour Party, Khan has left Conservative mayoral candidate Zach Goldsmith trailing in his wake.

00:35:08.000 New revelations this weekend about how Khan shared a platform with Yasser El-Siri, a convicted terrorist and associate of hate preacher Abu Qatada, and Sejil Shaheed, a militant who helped to train the ringleader of the London bombings, are the most serious allegations so far.

00:35:21.000 Sadiq Khan's interactions with controversial characters are not all in the past.

00:35:25.000 Furthermore, it transpires that the MP for Tooting is a divisive character in his South London community with dark allegations of threats and betrayal in his own political background.

00:35:33.000 So Sadiq Khan has a long history of some pretty nasty connections.

00:35:37.000 And not just that.

00:35:38.000 His policies in London have been a complete abysmal disaster.

00:35:41.000 Knife crime in London has been up dramatically under Sadiq Khan.

00:35:44.000 There's tremendous cultural strain inside of London, largely because Sadiq Khan is not a unifying figure.

00:35:50.000 He's a very polarizing figure.

00:35:51.000 So he got into a fight with President Trump.

00:35:54.000 And so Jeremy Corbyn is, of course, backing him because Corbyn backed him for mayor of London in the first place.

00:35:59.000 Trump arrives in the UK Monday morning for a three-day visit.

00:36:03.000 Trump, not only mocked Khan, but he came out just today and he said that Jeremy Corbyn wanted to meet with him and that Trump turned him down.

00:36:09.000 So whether that is true or not is anybody's guess.

00:36:11.000 Trump has said this about a bevy of politicians, many of whom it's not true about.

00:36:16.000 Very often when somebody rejects Trump, he goes, I rejected you first.

00:36:20.000 Boom.

00:36:20.000 Take that.

00:36:22.000 With that said, Jeremy Corbyn is a bad human.

00:36:25.000 And the fact that he is protesting Trump is demonstrative of just where he stands on a lot of these issues.

00:36:31.000 Now, the good news is that Queen Elizabeth is still being nice to Trump, as she should.

00:36:36.000 She is the ceremonial head of state in Britain.

00:36:38.000 So here she is praising President Trump and saying, you have a connection to this country.

00:36:42.000 Look, the reason that Trump is over there is because it's the 75th anniversary of D-Day.

00:36:45.000 I mean, we just did.

00:36:47.000 A Sunday special about the 75th anniversary of D-Day, in which the United States sent a million people to stay over in Britain and then help liberate the European continent from Nazi evil.

00:36:59.000 So, the President of the United States visiting for that, that doesn't seem like it should be wildly controversial. 0.98

00:37:05.000 Nonetheless, it is because everything is stupid and controversial. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Now, here is Queen Elizabeth talking to President Trump. 0.98

00:37:11.000 As we face the new challenges of the 21st century, the anniversary of D-Day reminds us of all that our countries have achieved together.

00:37:23.000 Of course, it is not only our security which unites us, but our strong cultural links and shared heritage.

00:37:33.000 Every year, there are almost 4 million visits by Americans to the United Kingdom.

00:37:39.000 With a great number claiming British descent.

00:37:44.000 And with your own Scottish ancestry, Mr. President, you too have a particular connection to this country.

00:37:50.000 Okay, so all of this is nice and wonderful and all of it is being treated with scorn and mockery by the mainstream media who are too busy tweeting out pictures of President Trump's too long vest.

00:38:01.000 This is really what they spent the day doing yesterday.

00:38:02.000 There's a picture of President Trump and he is wearing his tuxedo vest and just like his ties, he wears his tuxedo vest too.

00:38:09.000 And so, it drops at least a full four feet below his actual dinner jacket.

00:38:13.000 This apparently is a major scandal over in Britain.

00:38:15.000 The same media that said that it was no big deal when Michelle Obama touched the personage of the Queen were going crazy because apparently Trump touched the personage of the Queen.

00:38:23.000 Listen, I'm very glad we don't have royalty in this country. 0.99

00:38:26.000 I really am, because those sorts of rules are so dumb. 0.95

00:38:29.000 I'm sorry, like, what's she gonna do? 0.98

00:38:31.000 Burst into flame?

00:38:32.000 It's not for religious reasons of modesty.

00:38:35.000 She's just the royal personage. 0.99

00:38:36.000 In any case, Whenever Barack Obama traveled abroad, it was stories from the media about the triumphant, the triumphant mood of President Obama abroad.

00:38:45.000 Whenever Trump travels abroad, it's always about the protests.

00:38:48.000 The reality is the protests were smaller than expected in London because no one really cares.

00:38:52.000 And he was treated the way that he should have been treated by the vast majority of people in positions of power in London.

00:38:57.000 Those will not be the headlines that you are reading today.

00:38:59.000 Meanwhile, there's been this fascinating debate that I've been waiting to sort of comment on until everybody had their opinions out there.

00:39:06.000 This debate was kicked off by a guy named Sourabh Amari, who I am friends with.

00:39:10.000 I'm friendly with Sourabh Amari.

00:39:13.000 He is the editor of the New York Post op-ed page, and he's written a really good book that I've recommended on the show about his conversion to Catholicism.

00:39:21.000 He wrote a piece Basically ripping on David French, a person who I'm also friends with and who has been a guest multiple times on the show.

00:39:29.000 I thought that the piece was misdirected against French.

00:39:32.000 But basically, Sourabh Amari was criticizing the libertarian instincts of a lot of Republicans.

00:39:37.000 What he was saying is that government needs to be involved in certain ways in order to promote virtue and family formation.

00:39:44.000 Whereas David French, people like me, we have suggested that a smaller government is the best answer and that culture cannot be built by the government culture Precedes government.

00:39:54.000 And so what you really need to do if you want to have a better virtuous culture, what you really need to do is change hearts and minds.

00:40:00.000 And you need a government that is unable to fight those sorts of cultural movements from below.

00:40:06.000 So the role of government is really the question here.

00:40:08.000 Ross Dudat is a very thoughtful columnist over the New York Times, and he has a piece about this today.

00:40:12.000 And I think that it's worthy of note because it does go to something that's been roiling the conservative movement for a little while.

00:40:20.000 He says, basically, the best way to understand the Sorobamari-David-French split is in light of the old fusion, the old consensus, that the first things manifest to attack.

00:40:28.000 So, First Things is a Catholic magazine, and they wrote a piece a while back called Against, I believe it was called, Against the Dead Consensus.

00:40:37.000 And they were apparently ripping on the kind of Reagan coalition, the idea that social conservatism, government libertarianism, small government, that this could coexist.

00:40:47.000 Basically, it was an argument, sort of in Tucker Carlson mode, that government needs to be more involved in promoting virtue.

00:40:54.000 So, here's what Dudehat writes.

00:40:56.000 writes.

00:40:56.000 He says, French is a religious conservative who thinks that the pre-Trump conservative vision still makes sense.

00:41:00.000 He thinks his Christian faith and his pro-life convictions have a natural home in a basically libertarian coalition, one that wants to limit the federal government's interventions in the marketplace and expects civil society to flourish once state power is removed.

00:41:11.000 He thinks that believers and non-believers, secular liberals and conservative Christians can coexist under a classical liberal framework in which disputes are settled by persuasion rather than constant legal skirmishing or else are left unsettled in a healthy pluralism.

00:41:25.000 Amari, on the other hand, speaks for the cultural conservatives who believe that the old conservative fusion mostly failed their part of the movement, winning victories for tax cutters and business interests while marriage rates declined, birth rates plummeted and religious affiliation waned, and appeasing social conservatives with judges who never actually got around to overturning Roe versus Wade.

00:41:42.000 These conservatives believe that the current version of social liberalism has no interest in truces or pluralism and won't rest till the last evangelical baker is fined into bankruptcy, the last Catholic hospital or adoption agency is closed by an ACLU lawsuit, They think that business interests have turned into agents of cultural revolution, making them poor allies for the right, and that the free trade and globalization championed by past Republican presidents has played some role in the dissolution of conservatism's substrates, the family, the neighborhood, the local civitas.

00:42:10.000 And they've warmed quickly or slowly to the politics-is-war style of the current president.

00:42:15.000 But what specifically do these conservatives want besides a sense of thrill and convent that David French's style denies them?

00:42:20.000 And that really is the big question because I agree with both of these characterizations, right?

00:42:24.000 I actually agree with both Ahmari and French.

00:42:25.000 So, I agree with David French that a small government is the best solution because I believe that government is the ring of power.

00:42:31.000 If you think that you can control the ring of power and then use that ring of power for your own side, it is only a matter of time before it falls into the hands of the other side and is used against you.

00:42:39.000 I think there are two dueling narratives here.

00:42:41.000 Dueling narrative.

00:42:42.000 Narrative number one is sort of the libertarian narrative.

00:42:45.000 And that is, here's what happened in the United States.

00:42:47.000 Here's why social liberalism has conquered all.

00:42:50.000 Basically, government got larger.

00:42:52.000 And government got larger in order to perform functions that a lot of conservatives were sort of on board with.

00:42:57.000 And then government continued to grow larger and larger.

00:42:59.000 People began to rely on government more than they relied on their local community, more than they relied on that civitas.

00:43:04.000 And then, as government grew larger, the country grew more liberal.

00:43:07.000 So there's a straight-line correlation between the growth of government and the growth of leftism.

00:43:12.000 And now that huge, massive, burdensome government is going to be used by the left to cram down its values on the rest of us.

00:43:19.000 That's the version I believe.

00:43:21.000 Then there is the version that is being promoted by some of the first things authors and their version goes something like this.

00:43:28.000 Government grew big.

00:43:30.000 And it grew big for some good reasons and some bad reasons.

00:43:33.000 And then, because government grew big, there was a counter response that was libertarian in nature.

00:43:38.000 Conservatism became libertarian and wanted less government.

00:43:42.000 Along with that libertarian move came a surrender first I agree with version number one.

00:43:47.000 I don't think that William F. Buckley was stumping against social conservatism.

00:43:49.000 issues.

00:43:50.000 So the idea would be that in order to fight the growth of government, conservatism decided to abandon government's role in promoting public virtue.

00:43:56.000 And that's what led to the hollowing out of civic institutions. 0.59

00:43:59.000 And so what we really need to do is grab government back and then use it to promote those social institutions again.

00:44:05.000 I agree with version number one.

00:44:06.000 I don't think that William F. Buckley was stumping against social conservatism.

00:44:10.000 I think that William F. Buckley was basically saying, I think that conservatives for decades have basically been saying that the business of civic virtue is something that is supposed to be inculcated by a strong social network, understanding the history of Judeo-Christian values in our society.

00:44:25.000 I I just wrote an entire book about this.

00:44:27.000 But that you can't impose that from above, because if you do impose that from above, number one, it's not going to work.

00:44:33.000 Number two, it doesn't allow for the pluralistic vision of a society that the founding was supposed to create.

00:44:41.000 How do you determine when the government has gone too far in its imposition of morality, for example?

00:44:46.000 Wouldn't it be better to leave this to the local level?

00:44:47.000 And if you disagree with the local government, you can leave.

00:44:49.000 Wouldn't it be better to leave this to informal mechanisms in society?

00:44:53.000 Why are we seeing government as the great promoter of religion or of Judeo-Christian values when that really should be done in the churches and the real key should be preventing government from encroaching into those spaces?

00:45:05.000 Now, listen, I understand the temptation.

00:45:07.000 I understand the temptation for a lot of conservatives, which is those spaces are not going to exist if the left gets its way.

00:45:11.000 The question is, can you retain those spaces by grabbing the government back?

00:45:17.000 What are the prospects of grabbing government back and using it to cram down values that you believe and protect the values you believe?

00:45:23.000 And what are the prospects of simply destroying the government power altogether?

00:45:26.000 I am much more in favor of throwing the ring into the fire because I think that that sword can be and has been used historically by the left.

00:45:32.000 Perfect example, same-sex marriage.

00:45:34.000 So, I used to be in favor of governmentally enshrined traditional marriage.

00:45:38.000 And then, I became in like 2011, 2012, before Barack Obama, I believe, I started talking about how conservatives should be libertarian.

00:45:46.000 Why?

00:45:47.000 The reason was not because I believe that same-sex marriage is moral. 0.99

00:45:50.000 As a religious person, I not only believe that it's sinful, but on a natural law level, I don't think same-sex marriage provides the same benefits to society as traditional marriage, obviously. 1.00

00:46:00.000 But, I said that the best solution for conservatives was to remove this power from government altogether because sooner or later the government was going to move to the left and then they would be cramming down their values on your churches and that's exactly what has happened.

00:46:13.000 So the question is, what's the best way to promote conservative values?

00:46:16.000 From the bottom up?

00:46:17.000 With a social network?

00:46:19.000 Promoting a social network in the absence of government encroachments?

00:46:22.000 Or from the top down, by keeping a strong government and trying to capture that regulatory power on behalf of the values that you like?

00:46:28.000 This is the battle that is happening right now.

00:46:30.000 I think it's an open battle.

00:46:31.000 I think it's an honest battle.

00:46:32.000 I think it's a worthwhile battle.

00:46:34.000 But I do think that it is worthwhile for libertarians to consider on a serious level what sort of social networks are necessary to fill in that gap.

00:46:42.000 And I think it's necessary for social conservatives, who may want to control things at a governmental level, to consider what happens if you lose.

00:46:48.000 And you've now built the machine of your own destruction because you built it to protect you, but now it can be turned against you.

00:46:53.000 That's really the question going forward for conservatives.

00:46:56.000 Okay, time for some things that I like and then some things that I don't.

00:47:00.000 So...

00:47:00.000 Things that I like today.

00:47:02.000 So as you know, I am a huge baseball fan.

00:47:04.000 I've read virtually all the baseball books.

00:47:06.000 There's a good new book called Powerball by Rob Nayer.

00:47:08.000 It really is pretty great.

00:47:10.000 He is the... I believe he used to write for Sports Illustrated and ESPN if I'm not mistaken.

00:47:15.000 In any case...

00:47:17.000 Nayer's book basically takes a meaningless late season game between the Oakland Athletics and the Houston Astros and breaks it down out by out.

00:47:25.000 And it sort of had these cutaways to various discussions of issues in the game baseball, ranging from whether the ball has changed, spoiler alert, yes, the ball has changed, that's why you're getting more home runs, to the pace of play.

00:47:39.000 It's really great.

00:47:40.000 It's kind of like listening to a really great broadcaster watching an actual baseball game.

00:47:44.000 The key to a really great broadcaster when you watch a baseball game is that during the periods of dead space, when things aren't really happening on a field, can they give you more information and more stuff that you want to know?

00:47:53.000 And that's sort of what Rob Nair does here.

00:47:54.000 The book is definitely worth reading.

00:47:55.000 Now, he does have the obligatory SJW stuff.

00:47:59.000 He has, I think, three separate sections on whether there is a gay baseball player.

00:48:04.000 I don't understand why anybody cares about that.

00:48:06.000 Like, really, it doesn't matter to me.

00:48:08.000 If a player is gay, I don't think it matters to pretty much anyone at this point whether a player is gay, but Rob Naylor suggests that it's still massive homophobia inside the MLB, this sort of stuff.

00:48:16.000 If you can get past that sort of stuff, then the baseball portion of this is really good.

00:48:21.000 My one critique, the editor should have removed some of the exclamation points.

00:48:24.000 He writes with a lot of exclamation points, and those should have been toned down.

00:48:28.000 But that is an editorial critique.

00:48:29.000 The book itself is very enjoyable.

00:48:32.000 Okay, let's do some things that I hate.

00:48:39.000 So, the fact that the left will embrace anybody who just says bad things about Trump is pretty astonishing.

00:48:45.000 Charles Blow, the aptly named Charles Blow over at the New York Times, who's a terrible columnist, he has a piece called The Princess vs. the Demagogue.

00:48:53.000 Wow, it's gonna be like a fairy tale.

00:48:55.000 He says, in an interview Saturday with Rupert Murdoch's right-wing British tabloid The Sun, President Trump characterized statements by Meghan Markle before she became the Duchess of Sussex as nasty during the 2016 campaign.

00:49:05.000 Of course, Trump was being led in this exchange to be precisely who we all know he is.

00:49:09.000 The question itself was problematic, as it disclosed a biased characterization by the journalist, who asks Trump, I don't know if you saw that.

00:49:14.000 see her because she wasn't so nice about you during the campaign.

00:49:16.000 I don't know if you saw that.

00:49:18.000 I love Charles Blow calling out media bias.

00:49:20.000 That's pretty, pretty, the guy works for the New York That's the paradox.

00:49:24.000 That's not a paradox.

00:49:25.000 A paradox is like if an object is large and also small.

00:49:26.000 parties wanted.

00:49:27.000 The Sun is in some ways like a British print edition of America's Fox News, but it is also Britain's largest paper.

00:49:34.000 That's the paradox.

00:49:35.000 That's not a paradox.

00:49:36.000 A paradox is like if an object is large and also small.

00:49:40.000 It is not a paradox to say a conservative newspaper has a lot of subscribers in the UK.

00:49:44.000 This is why I say not a good columnist.

00:49:47.000 He says, Indeed, shortly after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks, The Sun published an ominous headline that covered nearly all of the front page.

00:49:54.000 In a large white font on a black background, the paper asserted one in five Brit Muslims sympathy for jihadis.

00:50:00.000 As The Independent reported, the headline was accompanied by an image of British ISIS member Mohammed M. Mwazi, also known as Jihadi John, who was hoisting a knife.

00:50:08.000 There's a reference to a piece entitled, Time for Britain to Shut Door.

00:50:10.000 The paper was ordered to admit that the story was significantly misleading, but you can understand why Trump would be amenable to it.

00:50:16.000 How does he get to this from Trump saying that he is, that he thought that Meghan Markle was nasty?

00:50:23.000 Here it says, it was simply wrong to characterize Markle's comments as nasty.

00:50:26.000 They were simply factual.

00:50:28.000 She said in a 2016 interview on The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore that Trump was divisive and misogynistic and vocal about it.

00:50:33.000 Where's the lie?

00:50:35.000 Oh my God.

00:50:38.000 Like, really?

00:50:39.000 So you're gonna rip on Trump for saying that she was nasty to him after she called him divisive, misogynistic, and vocal about it?

00:50:45.000 Okay, like, really?

00:50:47.000 You may agree with her characterization, but it isn't nice, right?

00:50:51.000 I mean, I assume that half the stuff I said about 2016, President Trump wouldn't like.

00:50:56.000 He's fully entitled not to like things.

00:50:59.000 A better journalist, says Charles Blow, if he or she wanted to have Trump weigh in on the comments, would simply read Markle's response and ask for the president's response.

00:51:05.000 But they didn't.

00:51:06.000 And Trump went directly to the place he feels most comfortable, referring to women who opposed him as nasty.

00:51:11.000 I have no royalist fetish or reverence, says Charles Blow.

00:51:13.000 Indeed, I find the existence of royalty in any society problematic.

00:51:16.000 But this isn't as much about Trump's reaction to a princess as it is about his reaction to a woman.

00:51:22.000 In this case, a black woman. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Yeah, I... Really?

00:51:27.000 Seriously, this is what we're going to do? 0.79

00:51:28.000 Trump has called a bevy of women nasty. 1.00

00:51:31.000 He said it about Hillary Clinton.

00:51:33.000 I believe at one point he said it about Megyn Kelly.

00:51:35.000 He said it about, I believe, Stormy Daniels.

00:51:37.000 Are any of those women black? 1.00

00:51:39.000 He has said that men are nasty to him. 0.99

00:51:42.000 So now the president uses the word nasty and it's about race and sex? 0.79

00:51:46.000 You wonder why people are getting pretty irritated with the use of the racist sexist label?

00:51:50.000 This would be the reason.

00:51:52.000 This would be the reason right here.

00:51:53.000 And then it's just Charles Blow quoting all the old stuff about Trump being mean to women. 0.82

00:51:57.000 Yes, Trump is bad with women. 1.00

00:51:59.000 He's been bad with women his entire career.

00:52:00.000 Do you have anything new to present here, Charles Blow?

00:52:03.000 Or do you just wish to rail against President Trump calling Meghan Markle nasty?

00:52:06.000 That one does not even rank in the top hundred comments Trump has made about women, by the way.

00:52:10.000 Not the top hundred public comments.

00:52:13.000 Charles Blow concludes, society itself offers a graduate-level course in misogyny, and every exam is a take-home test.

00:52:19.000 What the hell does that even mean?

00:52:23.000 God, do the editors at the New York Times have nothing to do all day?

00:52:26.000 That doesn't even mean anything.

00:52:28.000 Every exam is a take-home test?

00:52:31.000 The real work comes in consciously combating our bias and attempting to deprogram ourselves from blindly accepting privileges and ignoring oppressions.

00:52:38.000 But here's the thing. 0.97

00:52:39.000 Trump is absolutely a misogynist. 0.99

00:52:41.000 As made notice... 0.99

00:52:42.000 Oh, sorry.

00:52:49.000 When I hear a column repeated 100 times in a row by the same columnist, I start to lose interest.

00:52:55.000 Sorry, Charles Blow.

00:52:56.000 I couldn't finish that one up for you.

00:52:58.000 My bad.

00:52:58.000 Seems like you as a columnist couldn't finish it up either, but, you know, it's my job to read it, I guess.

00:53:03.000 OK, final piece of news today.

00:53:04.000 There's a new CNN poll.

00:53:05.000 You want to talk about media bias?

00:53:06.000 This is pretty great.

00:53:07.000 So Ryan Strzok is a Statistics analyst for CNN.

00:53:13.000 He put out a new CNN poll today.

00:53:14.000 Here is the poll.

00:53:15.000 Biden, 32.

00:53:16.000 Sanders, 18.

00:53:16.000 Harris, 8.

00:53:18.000 Warren, 7.

00:53:18.000 Buttigieg, 5.

00:53:19.000 O'Rourke, 5.

00:53:20.000 Booker, 3.

00:53:21.000 Castro, 2.

00:53:21.000 And then I always look for Kirsten Gillibrand just because it's hilarious.

00:53:24.000 Kirsten Gillibrand, 1.

00:53:26.000 Which is always humorous to me.

00:53:28.000 Here is the best part.

00:53:30.000 Ryan Strzok tweets out, Biden's support stands at 32%, down slightly from 39% in April.

00:53:36.000 How is 32% down slightly from 39%?

00:53:38.000 Like, just a question.

00:53:41.000 If any other candidate lost 7%, wouldn't that be a pretty major move?

00:53:46.000 Moving from doubling up Bernie Sanders to losing 7 points that is now dispersed among the crowd, isn't that a sign that maybe Joe Biden's high point has come and gone?

00:53:58.000 That maybe Joe Biden is going to start collapsing in on himself.

00:54:01.000 I mean, wouldn't that be like a more interesting, at least, analysis?

00:54:05.000 How's a 7 point drop a minor drop?

00:54:07.000 That is Elizabeth Warren's entire support base. 1.00

00:54:09.000 She's at 7% right now.

00:54:10.000 If she went from 7 to 0, would that be insignificant?

00:54:14.000 Joe Biden, man, a lot of members of the media rooting for him because they think he's going to beat Trump.

00:54:17.000 But, you know, these stats are showing that Joe Biden's got some vulnerability.

00:54:22.000 He may have hit his high point already.

00:54:23.000 All right.

00:54:24.000 We will be back here later this afternoon with two additional hours of programming.

00:54:28.000 We will see you then.

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00:54:58.000 You know, the knuckleheads on Knucklehead Row, that's the op-ed page of the New York Times, are predicting the end of the Republican Party.

00:55:05.000 Why?

00:55:06.000 They think we can't handle diversity. 0.92

00:55:08.000 Guess what, knuckleheads? 0.99

00:55:09.000 We don't give a crap about diversity. 0.99

00:55:11.000 We don't care what color you are, as long as you're colored American. 0.99

The Ben Shapiro Show - June 04, 2019

So. Much. Journalisming. | Ep. 794

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