The Ben Shapiro Show - Speech Is Violence! | Ep. 758

00:00:00.000 Ilhan Omar's defenders castigate speech as incitement.

00:00:03.000 Michael Moulds is attacked at a speech.

00:00:05.000 No, I didn't hire the guy.

00:00:06.000 And we checked the mailbag.

00:00:07.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:07.000 This is the Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:09.000 I know when I found out that Michael Knowles was attacked last night at a speech, my first thought was, well, thank God.

00:00:20.000 And then I found out he was okay, and I was like, damn it, if I hire somebody to do a job, you just can't get good people to do things these days, you gotta do everything yourself.

00:00:27.000 So when he gets back to LA, I'm just gonna go out there with a Super Soaker full of bleach and go after him.

00:00:31.000 We'll get to all that in just a second.

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00:01:42.000 Alrighty, so we begin today with the continuing fallout over Ilhan Omar getting herself into trouble once again because it is a day ending in Y and a month with more than 17 days.

00:01:53.000 So that means that Ilhan Omar is in trouble again and she's doubling down on her being in trouble because she is not good at this.

00:01:59.000 Also, she's not a very good person.

00:02:01.000 So there are a few different things that are wrong with Ilhan Omar's take on 9-11.

00:02:06.000 So She begins, this all came to light over the past few days because she was speaking at the Council on American Islamic Relations, we played the clip several times, and while she was there, she suggested that care was founded in the aftermath of 9-11, not true, to defend Muslims after some people did something.

00:02:22.000 And people who remember 9-11 said to themselves, what now?

00:02:28.000 Some people did something?

00:02:30.000 That's your hot take?

00:02:32.000 Some people did something?

00:02:34.000 And she defended this, not by suggesting that she may have been insensitive in her remarks or that's not what she meant, or obviously 9-11 was a truly terrible tragedy for the country and an act of tremendous evil.

00:02:46.000 All the things that you would expect a person to say in this position.

00:02:49.000 Instead, she simply keeps doubling down on all of this.

00:02:52.000 Like, over and over and over again.

00:02:54.000 So, for example, Ilhan Omar tweeted out this morning, she tweeted out this morning in response to all of this, quote, The people and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear from all of us soon.

00:03:05.000 President George W. Bush.

00:03:06.000 Was Bush downplaying the terrorist attack?

00:03:09.000 What if he was a Muslim? 0.99

00:03:10.000 What in the living hell is that supposed to mean? 0.98

00:03:15.000 First off, let's analyze that quote from President Bush.

00:03:19.000 I remember him saying that.

00:03:20.000 You remember him saying that, if you are older than 17 years old, because he was standing on the rubble of Ground Zero at the time with a bullhorn and explaining to people that the people who perpetrated the attack would soon be dead because we would be sending our soldiers overseas to kill them.

00:03:35.000 That's what he meant by that.

00:03:37.000 The people who knocked those buildings down, we'll hear from all of us soon, was not him saying, we're going to call them and then have a nice conversation.

00:03:44.000 That was not, that was not the idea.

00:03:46.000 The idea was, the evil people who knocked down these buildings are going to hear from us in the form of missiles.

00:03:53.000 Was Bush downplaying the terrorist attack?

00:03:54.000 No, you doof! 1.00

00:03:55.000 He wasn't downplaying the terrorist attack.

00:03:57.000 And I love her take. 0.68

00:03:58.000 What if he was a Muslim, right? 0.98

00:03:59.000 The real victims, the real victims of 9-11 were the Muslims, obviously. 0.63

00:04:03.000 The real victims of 9-11 across the United States were Muslims. 0.81

00:04:06.000 Now, I am old enough to remember all of this going down.

00:04:09.000 And the media's chief concern, one of their chief concerns in the aftermath of 9-11 was the so-called Islamophobic backlash, which did not end up materializing.

00:04:16.000 There's a lot of worry about Muslims being mistreated across the country.

00:04:19.000 That did not end up materializing.

00:04:20.000 And George W. Bush went out of his way over and over and over to separate Islam from the terrorists. 0.98

00:04:27.000 I think he went overboard by characterizing Islam as a religion of peace, for example.

00:04:32.000 I don't think he's an Islamic scholar, so I don't think that he had the expertise to do that, but he obviously was attempting to protect innocent Muslims from being lumped in with radical Muslims who had committed terrorist atrocities.

00:04:43.000 And yet, Ilhan Omar continues with this narrative that Muslims were truly victimized on 9-11 as opposed to the people who were murdered in the 9-11 terror attacks.

00:04:53.000 So, you want to prove that you are sympathetic to the victims of 9-11 and your first response to all of this is to downplay 9-11 again by suggesting that the real issue here is whether Bush was treated differently because he was not a Muslim guy. 0.99

00:05:10.000 What in the living hell?

00:05:12.000 Now, most Democrats are running for the hills. 0.88

00:05:15.000 They're nowhere to be found.

00:05:15.000 They won't comment on this stuff.

00:05:16.000 The reason they won't comment on this stuff is because they are afraid of ticking off the fresh faces of the Democratic Party.

00:05:21.000 You know, the ones who are drawing all the attention.

00:05:23.000 Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, who have formed the three dragons of the radical left.

00:05:31.000 And most Democrats are refusing comments on this.

00:05:34.000 They're running for the hills.

00:05:34.000 They don't want anything to do with the comments, but they also don't want to tick off these three young women who are the new fresh faces, so fresh, so face of the Democratic Party.

00:05:44.000 A couple exceptions.

00:05:46.000 There is a top Democrat named Lujan who came out and said, yeah, this is not great stuff.

00:05:52.000 This is, this is, you know, she, she needs to do better than that. 0.67

00:05:55.000 Those statements were not only hurtful to me, but extremely hurtful to everyone that was personally impacted by those terrorist attacks.

00:06:04.000 No one should refer to what happened on 9-11 with terrorist attacks that killed thousands of Americans as something by some people.

00:06:13.000 Okay, that person is the Assistant Speaker of the U.S.

00:06:16.000 House of Representatives, Representative Ben Ray Lujan from New Mexico.

00:06:20.000 Now, he is obviously right, but you're not hearing this overwhelmingly from the Democratic Party.

00:06:23.000 Instead, what you're mostly hearing in the media is all of Ilhan Omar's radical friends, including anti-Semites like Rashida Tlaib and anti-Semite fellow travelers like AOC, come out and defend Ilhan Omar because they're the new diverse Freshman class, ooh!

00:06:37.000 So here's Rashida Tlaib suggesting that the real problem here is that people don't like Ilhan Omar because she's a Somali woman who is a Muslim.

00:06:47.000 I'm not for policing people.

00:06:49.000 You know, that's what they're doing to us women of color. 1.00

00:06:50.000 I mean, think about it.

00:06:52.000 This is a diverse class.

00:06:54.000 They've never had two Muslim women.

00:06:56.000 They've never had a Palestinian American.

00:06:57.000 They've never had a woman that was a refugee.

00:06:59.000 I mean, these are real-life, impactful stories that come with us because our lens is so different.

00:07:06.000 You know, this is not just about a Congress that looks differently, but we serve differently, and we talk about these issues differently.

00:07:11.000 But it's an institution that just is not ready for people like us.

00:07:14.000 Oh, that's it. 0.94

00:07:16.000 It must be the color of skin or the character of genitalia. 0.85

00:07:20.000 It must be that you're a female or that you are Muslim or that you have a darker hue of skin color. 0.98

00:07:25.000 It must be that, not the open antisemitism both you and Ilhan Omar repeatedly engage in.

00:07:30.000 It can't be that Omar is a radical on foreign policy, which she is.

00:07:34.000 Muslim or not, she is a radical on foreign policy. 0.58

00:07:37.000 I will show you the evidence of this in just one second.

00:07:39.000 But it must be that the criticism is all it's all related to race.

00:07:42.000 Now, weird, because there are other Muslims in the U.S. 1.00

00:07:45.000 Congress and they don't receive this kind of criticism because they don't say this kind of crap. 0.98

00:07:50.000 There are other black people, there are other people who are of brown hue in the U.S. 0.99

00:07:55.000 Congress who do not receive this kind of blowback because they're not routinely saying things that are disgusting in public. 0.77

00:08:01.000 But it must be racism and sexism and bigotry and homophobia and all the rest. 0.99

00:08:06.000 Leading this charge, of course, is AOC, who spends every waking moment trying to defend idiocy by suggesting that opponents of idiocy are actually opponents of minorities. 1.00

00:08:16.000 Here she is saying the same thing. 0.99

00:08:17.000 She says that criticism of Ilhan Omar, if you critique Ilhan Omar, you're inciting people to racist violence.

00:08:23.000 And then Ilhan Omar said the exact same thing.

00:08:26.000 To elicit such an image for such a transparent media, and politically motivated attack on Ilhan.

00:08:35.000 We are getting to the level where this is an incitement of violence against progressive women of color.

00:08:42.000 And if they can't figure out how to get it back to policy, we need to call it out for what it is.

00:08:47.000 Because this is not normal, and this is not a normal level of political debate or rhetoric.

00:08:53.000 It's incitement.

00:08:54.000 It's incitement against women of color. 1.00

00:08:57.000 Incitement, really.

00:08:58.000 So the rule now is that if you criticize a member of Congress who happens to be a woman of color, it's incitement. 0.84

00:09:04.000 This is the speech is violence nonsense that you see on college campuses, where people like me go to speak on college campuses, or Michael Mowles goes and speaks on a college campus, and suddenly people are popping up and actually attempting violence because speech, after all, is violence.

00:09:17.000 If the new standard is that harshly critiquing somebody is incitement to violence, then you know who's going to be responsible for violence.

00:09:24.000 Ilhan Omar.

00:09:25.000 Not two weeks ago, she suggested that Donald Trump was not a human.

00:09:29.000 She said Barack Obama was a human, but Donald Trump is not a human.

00:09:31.000 Which is worse?

00:09:32.000 Saying that Ilhan Omar said a terrible thing about 9-11?

00:09:35.000 Or that she downplayed 9-11?

00:09:37.000 And that she said terrible things about America repeatedly?

00:09:40.000 Or, is it worse to call Donald Trump not human?

00:09:42.000 To dehumanize a person by calling them not human.

00:09:45.000 Which was more inciting?

00:09:46.000 Which one?

00:09:46.000 Here's Ilhan Omar saying that two weeks ago.

00:09:48.000 I just want to get to your side of the story.

00:09:50.000 Do you believe that Trump and Obama are the same, just different when it comes to their policies?

00:10:00.000 One is human, the other is not.

00:10:01.000 Okay, which one is more inciting, that, or people pointing out that Ilhan Omar's comments about 9-11 were, at best, insensitive?

00:10:08.000 At best.

00:10:09.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:10:11.000 the two one is human the other is is it true that you just think that he's more polished than trump one is human the other is not okay which one is more inciting that or people pointing out that ilhan omar's comments about 9-11 were at best insensitive at best it's pretty it's pretty incredible aoc went even further than this again it is amazing to me that people see her as an If this is the case, sell your bonds.

00:10:38.000 Because my goodness, AOC tweeted this out about Dan Crenshaw.

00:10:41.000 So Dan Crenshaw is one of the people who's been critical of Ilhan Omar's comments about 9-11.

00:10:46.000 Representative Crenshaw from Texas served in Afghanistan, lost an eye to an IED in Afghanistan.

00:10:51.000 Did that defending Muslims in Afghanistan. 1.00

00:10:54.000 So AOC tweets this out at Dan Crenshaw.

00:10:57.000 So Dan Crenshaw had tweeted, AOC responds, In 2018, right-wing extremists were behind almost all U.S.

00:11:01.000 domestic terrorist killings.

00:11:02.000 as some people who did something.

00:11:04.000 Unbelievable.

00:11:04.000 AOC responds, you refuse to co-sponsor the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund, yet have the audacity to drum resentment toward Ilhan Omar with completely out-of-context quotes?

00:11:15.000 In 2018, right-wing extremists were behind almost all U.S. domestic terrorist killings.

00:11:20.000 Why don't you go do something about that?

00:11:22.000 So there are about eight lies in here, Number one, he backs the 9-11 Victims' Compensation Fund.

00:11:27.000 So does Donald Trump, to the extent that even Jon Stewart has praised the Trump administration for their work on the 9-11 Victims' Compensation Fund.

00:11:36.000 Number two, you don't have to co-sponsor a bill to support a bill.

00:11:38.000 Three, she's really going to suggest that people like Ilhan Omar are doing more for 9-11 victims than Dan Crenshaw, who joined the military and lost an eye To fight the people who perpetrated 9-11?

00:11:51.000 That's your take?

00:11:52.000 While you were dancing on a rooftop and mixing drinks, that dude was over in Afghanistan, serving and getting his eye blown out by an IED?

00:12:00.000 That's your hot take?

00:12:03.000 It's unreal.

00:12:04.000 It's unreal.

00:12:05.000 And then we're supposed to take these people seriously when they protest that, no, they love the American military.

00:12:09.000 No, really, they take 9-11 super seriously.

00:12:12.000 No, they really take terrorism seriously.

00:12:15.000 By the way, the evidence that Ilhan Omar does not take terrorism seriously is not just that one clip.

00:12:20.000 It's that over and over and over, she has said things that make it seem like she does not take terrorism particularly seriously.

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00:13:30.000 Hey, so Ilhan Omar is protesting that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:13:34.000 All of this is taken out of context.

00:13:36.000 I am really not downplaying 9-11. 0.97

00:13:38.000 The only reason you're saying I'm downplaying 9-11 is because I'm Muslim, and you hate Muslims.

00:13:42.000 That's the real reason that you're doing all this.

00:13:44.000 Again, I will point out, she is not the only Muslim congressperson.

00:13:47.000 There are several Muslim congresspeople who have not received all of these critiques.

00:13:53.000 There are many members of the Congress who are Muslim who don't receive this kind of blowback.

00:14:01.000 And yet, and yet.

00:14:02.000 So why is Ilhan Omar receiving this kind of blowback?

00:14:04.000 Well, because she has been for years saying stuff like this.

00:14:06.000 So back in 2012, she did an interview with a pretty radical TV slash radio show in which she questioned why exactly, why exactly is it that we say England and America in the same way that we, why don't we say England and America in the same way that we say Al Qaeda?

00:14:25.000 Why not?

00:14:26.000 We played it on the show yesterday.

00:14:29.000 And she did a full clip where she was joking and laughing about Hamas and Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda.

00:14:34.000 She said that she took a class where the professor, every time he said Al-Qaeda, he said, Al-Qaeda, with like a feeling of dread.

00:14:40.000 Why didn't he say England or America or the army in the same way?

00:14:44.000 Because those are terrorist groups, lady, that's why.

00:14:47.000 And that's not the only time that Ilhan Omar has said something like this.

00:14:50.000 Just two years ago, she wrote a piece for Time Magazine We'll get to in just one second.

00:14:57.000 Okay, so this piece in Time Magazine from Ilhan Omar.

00:15:01.000 In this piece, she's talking about Charlottesville, and here is what she talked about with regard to the United States.

00:15:07.000 Listen to how she characterizes the United States versus how she characterizes Islamic terrorism. 0.55

00:15:11.000 Quote, we must confront that our nation was founded by the genocide of indigenous people and on the backs of slaves, that we maintain global power with the tenor of neocolonialism.

00:15:22.000 So first off, virtually every aspect of that statement is wrong.

00:15:25.000 The quote unquote genocide of indigenous people was diseased brought over centuries earlier by Europeans from a variety of different countries. 0.84

00:15:34.000 Disease is not a genocide.

00:15:36.000 The Trail of Tears was not a genocide.

00:15:38.000 The Trail of Tears was an evil act by the United States government.

00:15:41.000 It was not a genocide and it happened after the foundation of the United States.

00:15:45.000 The nation was not founded by the genocide of indigenous people.

00:15:47.000 That's a lie.

00:15:48.000 And when she says that our nation was founded on the backs of slaves, slavery was an evil part of America's founding.

00:15:54.000 Also, it did not exist in the North part of the United States.

00:15:58.000 Members of the North were very much opposed to slavery.

00:16:00.000 There's a big fight over it in the Declaration of Independence.

00:16:05.000 And It is also possible that an evil thing that was a part of America's history was not actually the foundation of the country.

00:16:11.000 The foundation of the country was the ideas.

00:16:14.000 As I've said many times, I say this in my new book, The Right Side of History, the great divide right now in the West is between people who think like Ilhan Omar and people who have respect for the history of Western civilization.

00:16:23.000 People who mischaracterize Western civilization as based on hatred and fear and racism and all of the great ideas of the Declaration and the Constitution were just a bunch of nonsense.

00:16:32.000 And then there are people who recognize that the ideas of the Declaration and the Constitution are wonderful, terrific ideas that were not always fully lived up to by human beings.

00:16:41.000 Nonetheless, she says all that and then she says, we maintain today global power with the tenor of neocolonialism.

00:16:46.000 Neocolonialism?

00:16:47.000 She's going to need to explain where we have settled in Afghanistan and Iraq. 0.95

00:16:51.000 She's going to have to explain where we settled when we were bombing the Serbs on behalf of the Croats during the Yugoslavian war.

00:16:57.000 She's going to have to explain where we settled when we were defending Saudi Arabia from the predations of Saddam Hussein.

00:17:04.000 Where is the colonialism exactly?

00:17:06.000 So she says all that.

00:17:07.000 OK, that's bad enough.

00:17:08.000 But then she follows up with this.

00:17:10.000 Are you getting all of this? 0.98

00:17:11.000 In other words, America is a brutally racist, terrible place.

00:17:13.000 to correct mistakes further deepen the divide.

00:17:16.000 Our national avoidance tactic has been to shift the focus to potential international terrorism.

00:17:21.000 Are you getting all of this? 0.93

00:17:22.000 In other words, America's a brutally racist, terrible place. 0.57

00:17:26.000 And because we don't want to confront the fact that America is a brutally racist, terrible place, we make up this international terrorist threat. 0.98

00:17:33.000 We focus on the international terrorist threat We don't have to focus on the threats here at home, you know, like white supremacy and the evils of racism and all that. 0.56

00:17:39.000 So we just sort of make it up.

00:17:41.000 Obviously, this is a person who takes racism, who takes terrorism super duper seriously.

00:17:47.000 She takes terrorism so seriously that she characterized in 2016 in a letter to a judge trying to get a bunch of terrorists who had joined ISIS off the hook.

00:17:57.000 She characterized their actions.

00:17:59.000 I mean, talk about downplaying.

00:18:00.000 Talk about downplaying.

00:18:02.000 Here is how she characterized people trying to join ISIS in 2016, quote, young men who made a consequential mistake.

00:18:09.000 Oh, is that what happened?

00:18:10.000 It was a consequential mistake, you know, like shoplifting or a drug bust.

00:18:14.000 They tried to join ISIS.

00:18:17.000 Okay, she said about this.

00:18:18.000 We must alter our attitude and approach to these young men.

00:18:22.000 She said a long-term prison sentence for one who chose violence to combat direct marginalization is a statement that our justice system misunderstands the guilty.

00:18:30.000 Ah, I see.

00:18:31.000 So terrorists, people who try to join up with ISIS, they're only doing so because America's really bad and it's marginalizing people.

00:18:37.000 And if we sentence those people to long jail terms, we're marginalizing them even further.

00:18:40.000 But we're supposed to believe she took 9-11 super seriously?

00:18:43.000 She takes terrorism really seriously?

00:18:46.000 It's pretty astonishing stuff.

00:18:48.000 And the fact that Democrats have come to her defense on the basis of you're inciting violence against her if you quote her.

00:18:55.000 My goodness.

00:18:56.000 Or that Dan Crenshaw is somehow less patriotic than Ilhan Omar after losing an eye in combat and being a Navy SEAL.

00:19:05.000 It's just insane.

00:19:06.000 And it's insulting.

00:19:08.000 But I guess this is what the Democratic Party wishes to become.

00:19:11.000 I guess the Democratic Party wishes to become the party of people who rant and rave about how terrible America is routinely, and then when called upon, it suggests that this is incitement against people of color. 0.96

00:19:22.000 It's just, it's just disgusting. 0.94

00:19:24.000 I mean, honestly, it is just gross. 0.98

00:19:27.000 AOC should be ashamed of herself. 1.00

00:19:29.000 Ilhan Omar should be ashamed of herself.

00:19:33.000 Rashida Tlaib should be ashamed of herself, but apparently there is... I guess there is no reason.

00:19:39.000 I guess there is no reason for them to be ashamed.

00:19:41.000 After all, the media will cover for them.

00:19:44.000 So it's, it is pretty amazing.

00:19:47.000 It is pretty amazing and it's pretty terrifying.

00:19:48.000 Okay, so, meanwhile, there's a big story that came up yesterday with regard to the Daily Wire's own Michael Knowles.

00:19:57.000 As I said earlier, when you hire somebody to put out a hit, presumably the person should fulfill their duty, but apparently you can't get good people these days on college campuses.

00:20:05.000 Anyway, University of Missouri-Kansas City.

00:20:08.000 Michael was speaking.

00:20:09.000 The speech was titled, Men Are Not Women. 0.70

00:20:11.000 This apparently is a very controversial thing over at University of Missouri, Kansas City.

00:20:15.000 So in the middle of his speech, a bunch of the protesters get up and they walk out, but they don't all walk out for long.

00:20:20.000 One of them pops back through the door carrying a super soaker that contained glitter-laced liquid.

00:20:27.000 Unclear what the liquid was.

00:20:28.000 Apparently it smelled like bleach.

00:20:30.000 But this person pops through the door and starts shooting the super soaker at Michael, at which point one of the police officers in the room Who obviously should get some sort of tryout with the chiefs.

00:20:40.000 Takes down the perpetrator with a strong armbar.

00:20:42.000 I mean, this is a solid tackle right here.

00:20:44.000 Okay, so good times over there. so good times over there. - Good times over there.

00:21:08.000 And Michael handled it with aplomb.

00:21:11.000 He was totally fine.

00:21:12.000 You know, thank God.

00:21:13.000 This sort of stuff happens on campuses all too often, but that's pretty astonishing stuff.

00:21:19.000 Then the media covered it as though it was a mere allegation.

00:21:21.000 Oh, allegedly, somebody popped through the door and shot something at Knowles.

00:21:24.000 It was on tape, guys.

00:21:25.000 It was on tape.

00:21:26.000 And that does demonstrate How crazy things have become on campus.

00:21:31.000 Campuses have become a disaster area.

00:21:34.000 Now, most campuses are not like this.

00:21:35.000 I visit lots and lots of campuses, but the fact is I also have better security than Knowles does.

00:21:39.000 I mean, whenever I speak, because campuses are aware of the kind of controversy it causes, they have lots and lots of security.

00:21:44.000 So nothing like this has ever gotten close to me.

00:21:47.000 But Knowles had a little less security, and protesters decided to do something like that.

00:21:50.000 If that gets in Knowles' eyes, obviously it's a big problem.

00:21:54.000 This is what comes of the mentality that says that speech is violence.

00:21:57.000 So Michael's speech is a form of violence.

00:21:59.000 You can use violence against his speech.

00:22:01.000 If you use speech against Ilhan Omar, then that is a form of incitement to violence.

00:22:05.000 Amazing, amazing, terrible mentality.

00:22:08.000 Okay, coming up, we'll get to President Trump on illegal immigration, because there's a breaking story that's getting a lot of play, and I'm not sure exactly why.

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00:23:24.000 Okay, so President Trump is now being ripped upon because there was a proposal that was made inside the White House that would have directed a lot of the illegal immigrants who could not be absorbed by Border Patrol.

00:23:36.000 They didn't have enough beds.

00:23:38.000 The White House had thought about directing those illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities and send them to democratic areas and let the Democrats deal with the fallout from illegal immigration if they won't actually give us the money that we need to fund the border wall or the beds. 0.69

00:23:50.000 According to the Washington Post, White House officials have tried to pressure U.S.

00:23:53.000 immigration authorities to release detainees onto the streets of sanctuary cities to retaliate against President Trump's political adversaries, according to Department of Homeland Security officials and email messages reviewed by the Washington Post.

00:24:06.000 Trump administration officials have proposed transporting detained immigrants to sanctuary cities at least twice in the past six months.

00:24:12.000 Once in November, as a migrant caravan approached the U.S.

00:24:15.000 southern border, and again in February amid a standoff with Democrats over funding for Trump's border wall.

00:24:20.000 One of the districts looked at was House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's district in San Francisco.

00:24:24.000 The administration also considered releasing detainees in other Democratic strongholds.

00:24:28.000 The White House officials first apparently broached the plan in a November 16th email Asking officials at several agencies whether members of the caravan could be arrested at the border and then bused to small and mid-sized sanctuary cities, places where local authorities have refused to hand over illegal immigrants for deportation.

00:24:44.000 The White House told ICE that the plan was intended to alleviate a shortage of detention space, but also served to send a message to Democrats.

00:24:51.000 The attempt at political retribution raised alarm within ICE, with the top official responding that it was rife with budgetary and liability concerns and noting there are PR risks as well.

00:25:00.000 After the White House pressed again in February, ICE's legal department rejected the idea as inappropriate and then rebuffed the administration.

00:25:07.000 A White House official and spokesman for DHS sent nearly identical statements to the Post on Thursday, indicating the proposal was not under consideration.

00:25:14.000 This was just a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion, the White House statement said.

00:25:19.000 Nancy Pelosi's office blasted the plan. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Her spokeswoman, Ashley Etienne, said, The extent of this administration's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated.

00:25:27.000 Using human beings, including little children, as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable.

00:25:35.000 Frankly, I am confused by Pelosi's reaction.

00:25:38.000 I am.

00:25:39.000 I don't understand the reaction.

00:25:40.000 If the idea is that illegal immigrants coming into the country provide no threat and should be placed in areas where the resources are available, Sanctuary City seemed like a pretty good place for that. 0.99

00:25:52.000 L.A.

00:25:52.000 has thousands of illegal immigrants living here, and lots of resources, and it's a sanctuary city.

00:25:57.000 Same thing in San Francisco.

00:25:59.000 I am constantly amazed at the hypocrisy of a media that went along with Barack Obama shutting down open-air World War II memorials in the middle of a government shutdown just to prove to people he could make people suffer.

00:26:11.000 And the media went along with that.

00:26:12.000 Oh, well, he has to shut memorials, doesn't he?

00:26:14.000 He has to shut memorials because government shutdown, man.

00:26:17.000 Doesn't matter that it's open-air.

00:26:19.000 Doesn't matter World War II vets can't get in. 0.50

00:26:21.000 He's... If Barack Obama has to make people suffer to end the shutdown, I guess that's the way this is going to go.

00:26:26.000 I also don't understand why it would be markedly worse, on a moral level, to send illegal immigrants to cities where they are going to be treated really well, presumably. 0.99

00:26:37.000 I mean, it's Nancy Pelosi's city.

00:26:38.000 Where they're going to be treated really well, as opposed to small border towns that are being overwhelmed with the number of illegal immigrants and don't have the resources there.

00:26:45.000 Why is it better for these folks to be shipped and let off a bus in the middle of a small town in Texas than to be shipped to other places and be let off the bus there?

00:26:55.000 It's confusing to me.

00:26:56.000 I mean, why does Nancy Pelosi actually have a problem with illegal immigrants being sent to San Francisco? 1.00

00:27:02.000 In fact, I'm old enough to remember, because I'm more than five years old, when one city in California called Murrieta objected to having illegal immigrants sent to the city.

00:27:13.000 And they tried to stop the buses of illegal immigrants that were being bused to the city.

00:27:17.000 And the media covered this as though the people who were protesting were racist.

00:27:20.000 So which is it?

00:27:21.000 If Nancy Pelosi doesn't want illegal immigrants sent to her city, is she a racist just like these folks from Murrieta? 1.00

00:27:26.000 Or does she have rational concerns about the impact of illegal immigration on her district in the same way these people from Murrieta did?

00:27:34.000 Here's a clip from Murrieta, circa 2014.

00:27:35.000 This is Obama.

00:27:36.000 This is Obama time. 0.68

00:27:39.000 And listen to how the media cover these people from Murrieta who do not want thousands of illegal immigrants bused into their small town community. 0.99

00:27:47.000 Go back home!

00:27:49.000 Chanting, go back home, a wall of protesters blocked the road into the Murrieta border patrol station.

00:27:56.000 You are obstructing the roadway.

00:27:57.000 Please move or you will be cited.

00:27:59.000 As anger grew in the crowd.

00:28:01.000 We need to go back to Mexico. 0.93

00:28:03.000 Some not understanding these migrants were all from Central America.

00:28:08.000 Tempers flaring.

00:28:09.000 One protester spitting at an immigration rights supporter.

00:28:12.000 Don't touch me!

00:28:13.000 Don't touch me!

00:28:13.000 The anger continued hours after the buses had left.

00:28:17.000 Anger that many in this town do find embarrassing.

00:28:20.000 I mean, these are kids.

00:28:21.000 I mean, your heart goes out to them.

00:28:23.000 Okay, well, there is truth to the idea that people overreact to illegal immigration in their area, but I don't see why Nancy Pelosi gets to do it and the people from Murad don't.

00:28:31.000 I don't understand why it is... I mean, and listen to the media coverage there.

00:28:34.000 They seek out the people who are the most vile, the people who are spitting at people, the people who are shouting at children.

00:28:41.000 That's the people they seek out.

00:28:43.000 Nancy Pelosi says, don't ship people to my town. 1.00

00:28:45.000 That's terrible.

00:28:46.000 That's cynical.

00:28:47.000 It's cruel.

00:28:48.000 Why is it cynical and cruel?

00:28:50.000 I don't understand.

00:28:50.000 San Francisco is an extraordinarily rich area.

00:28:53.000 So what is Nancy Pelosi objecting to, exactly?

00:28:56.000 And the media are suddenly objecting to presidents using the power of their office to punish their political opponents?

00:29:02.000 Now here's my view of this situation.

00:29:04.000 Illegal immigrants should be let off in towns that have the resources to deal with them. 1.00

00:29:08.000 If those are border towns, let them be border towns.

00:29:11.000 If they're not border towns, then let them not be border towns.

00:29:14.000 But in reality, none of these illegal immigrants should be being released into the general population at all. 0.96

00:29:19.000 What we should be having are enough beds at the border to take care of these people. 0.94

00:29:23.000 And it is the Democrats' fault that those beds are not available, specifically because Democrats want people released into the general population.

00:29:29.000 Democrats are pushing catch and release.

00:29:32.000 If Democrats push catch and release, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me for the Trump administration to say, OK, well, then you get to deal with the consequences of catch and release, as opposed to these people in small border towns who didn't sign up for this.

00:29:44.000 You signed them up for this?

00:29:46.000 Well, maybe you ought to bear the impact, the human impact of illegal immigration, meaning a strain on your local resources.

00:29:54.000 Now, I understand why people see that as a cynical political move by the Trump administration.

00:29:58.000 It is a cynical move by the Trump administration.

00:30:00.000 What I don't understand is how those same people cannot see it as cynical for Nancy Pelosi to oppose funding necessary at the border and then object when people are sent to her town.

00:30:10.000 How can you have it both ways?

00:30:11.000 I am confused by this, to be frank.

00:30:15.000 If you are a sanctuary city and you are saying that you're not even going to report to ICE when illegal immigrants show up in your town and commit crimes, then why do you object to more illegal immigrants being sent to your town? 0.96

00:30:27.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:30:29.000 According to the Washington Post, the White House believed it could punish Democrats, including Pelosi, by busing ICE detainees into their districts before their release, according to two DHS whistleblowers.

00:30:38.000 One of the whistleblowers spoke with the Post.

00:30:39.000 Several DHS officials confirmed the accounts.

00:30:41.000 They spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

00:30:46.000 Again, why do Democrats view it as a punishment?

00:30:49.000 Why aren't Democrats like, great, we want more of these people.

00:30:52.000 We can take care of them better than you can.

00:30:53.000 Wouldn't that be the smart political play here?

00:30:55.000 According to these two DHS officials, who's a senior Trump advisor, Stephen Miller, who discussed the proposal, I'll be interested to see how all the late night comedians treat this.

00:31:03.000 Oh, it's absolute cruelty to ship illegal immigrants to LA and San Francisco.

00:31:07.000 Ooh.

00:31:09.000 But I thought the goal was to get to L.A.

00:31:11.000 or San Francisco for a lot of these folks.

00:31:13.000 Wouldn't it be better for us to just bust them there directly, actually?

00:31:17.000 Matthew Albence, as ICE's acting deputy director, immediately questioned the proposal in November.

00:31:21.000 He said, As acting deputy, I was not pressured by anyone at the White House on this issue.

00:31:25.000 I was asked my opinion.

00:31:25.000 I provided it.

00:31:26.000 My advice was heeded, which is also true.

00:31:28.000 The proposal itself, I am saying, is politically understandable.

00:31:32.000 The Democratic response is not politically understandable.

00:31:34.000 And also, the Trump administration didn't do it because of liability issues, presumably.

00:31:40.000 Homeland Security officials said the Sanctuary City request was unnerving, and it underscores the political pressure Trump and Miller have put on ICE and other DHS agencies at a time when the president is furious about the biggest border surge in more than a decade.

00:31:52.000 One congressional investigator said it was basically an idea Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out.

00:31:56.000 By the way, that's not what I'm hearing from inside the White House.

00:31:58.000 I'm hearing it was actually somebody else who originally proposed this.

00:32:00.000 What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they're going to cut funding, you've got to make sure you're releasing people in Pelosi's district and other congressional districts.

00:32:09.000 Apparently the idea was not presented to Ronald Vitiello, the agency's acting director.

00:32:14.000 The day after the nomination was rescinded, President Trump said he wanted to put someone tougher over at ICE.

00:32:20.000 According to a person named May Davis, Deputy Assistant to the President, Deputy White House Policy Coordinator, the idea was raised by one or two principles that if we are unable to build sufficient temporary housing, caravan members be bused to small and mid-sized sanctuary cities.

00:32:34.000 There is not a White House decision on all of this.

00:32:37.000 One of the DHS officials said, it was retaliation to show them your lack of cooperation has impact.

00:32:41.000 I think they thought it would put pressure on those communities to understand, I guess, a different perspective on why you need more immigration money for detention beds.

00:32:49.000 A formal legal review was never completed, so this thing didn't even go very far.

00:32:52.000 Nonetheless, the very idea is deeply offensive.

00:32:54.000 I'm wondering why Democrats think that's offensive.

00:32:57.000 Really, if you're not going to provide the detention beds, I'm under- I am confused.

00:33:02.000 Frankly, I am confused.

00:33:02.000 Okay, in just a second.

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00:35:57.000 Okay, so let's talk for just a second about the latest on Julian Assange, So Assange was arrested yesterday.

00:36:10.000 The head of WikiLeaks was arrested.

00:36:12.000 He was tossed out of the Ecuadorian embassy after he started releasing government documents. 0.97

00:36:15.000 Apparently, the guy is just a turd. 0.98

00:36:17.000 And when I say he's a turd, I mean, he literally was taking feces and smearing it on the wall before he left. 0.99

00:36:22.000 I don't know what the obsession is with weirdos and feces, but odd. 0.97

00:36:26.000 So he did that at the Ecuadorian embassy. 0.86

00:36:28.000 And then the Ecuadorians were like, yeah, man, you smeared poop on the walls.

00:36:32.000 You got to go.

00:36:33.000 Just leave.

00:36:35.000 So the British came in and they arrested him.

00:36:36.000 And now they may deport him to the United States.

00:36:38.000 They may extradite him to the United States for trial.

00:36:40.000 It is unclear whether he will be convicted.

00:36:42.000 The charges under which he is being charged, attempted hacking, may not hold up in court.

00:36:47.000 We will find out soon enough.

00:36:48.000 But it is fascinating to see who is running to his defense.

00:36:51.000 Tulsi Gabbard, who has been very, very warm toward Russia, very warm toward Syria for years, she condemned the arrest of Julian Assange.

00:36:59.000 She called the arrest a threat to journalists.

00:37:00.000 She said the arrest of Julian Assange is meant to send a message to all Americans and journalists.

00:37:04.000 Be quiet.

00:37:05.000 Behave.

00:37:05.000 Toe the line where you will pay the price.

00:37:07.000 Really?

00:37:08.000 He's not American and he's not a journalist.

00:37:10.000 So there are a couple of problems with that particular statement.

00:37:12.000 Also, if the idea is that Trump is providing a threat to journalists by arresting Julian Assange, why are members of the Obama administration celebrating all of this?

00:37:23.000 They're like, "Mustle, Most of the members of the Obama administration are very, very happy that Assange was arrested.

00:37:27.000 Some of them came out of the woodwork yesterday and said, listen, we tried to get him on hacking, we didn't have enough to get him on hacking, now we do, so good.

00:37:34.000 So it's interesting to see the political breakdown here.

00:37:37.000 There are folks on the, it's also funny to see who on the left has sort of flipped on Assange.

00:37:43.000 So Hillary Clinton came out yesterday, she said Assange must now answer for what he's done.

00:37:46.000 She was Secretary of State under Obama when they didn't go after Assange really.

00:37:50.000 And when Barack Obama granted clemency to, to Chelsea Manning, who was the person funneling American classified information to Assange.

00:37:59.000 They didn't take Assange, WikiLeaks, Manning very seriously.

00:38:02.000 Here's Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:38:03.000 Now she's fighting mad. 0.88

00:38:04.000 Why?

00:38:04.000 Well, because Assange helped make her lose in 2016, obviously.

00:38:08.000 I'll wait and see what happens with the charges and how it proceeds.

00:38:15.000 But the bottom line is, he has to answer for what he has done, at least as it's been charged.

00:38:23.000 I do think it's a little ironic that he may be the only foreigner that this administration would welcome to the United States.

00:38:31.000 Okay, it is pretty amazing how the left has flipped on him.

00:38:34.000 By the way, it's amazing how the right flipped on him in the middle of the 2016 election, where you have certain Fox News hosts who spent a lot of time defending Julian Assange from charges that he was, in fact, a person who had endangered American national security.

00:38:46.000 Which, by the way, he is a person who had endangered American national security.

00:38:50.000 Okay, one more story and then we'll get to the mailbag.

00:38:52.000 So, there's this wild story from the Boston Globe.

00:38:55.000 They ran a 1,200-word op-ed From a guy named Luke O'Neill, a Boston-based freelance journalist and a regular contributor to the Boston Globe Opinion section, his piece called on people to taint the food of Republicans.

00:39:12.000 He said at one point, the original op-ed suggested that one of the biggest regrets he had in his life was not pissing in Bill Kristol's salmon in the middle of the Iraq war.

00:39:22.000 And at the end of his piece, he suggested that patriotic waiters should somehow taint the food of Kirstjen Nielsen.

00:39:29.000 He said, keep Kirstjen Nielsen unemployed and eating Grubhub over her kitchen sink. 0.99

00:39:33.000 As for the waiters out there, I'm not saying you should tamper with anyone's food, as that could get you into trouble.

00:39:37.000 You might lose your serving job, but you'd be serving America, and you won't have any regrets years later.

00:39:43.000 How delightful.

00:39:44.000 So this person was then suspended by the Globe, and then he was angry at the Globe for suspending him.

00:39:48.000 He has every right to be angry at the Globe for suspending him.

00:39:50.000 They knew what they were printing.

00:39:51.000 They edited it.

00:39:52.000 So I don't feel bad for the Globe.

00:39:54.000 The Globe deserves everything it gets.

00:39:55.000 But it does betray a certain mentality.

00:39:58.000 At no point did I ever think that it was okay.

00:40:00.000 Did anyone on the right that I'm aware of ever think that it was okay to defile the food that Barack Obama ate or that Eric Holder ate?

00:40:08.000 Things have gone completely mad.

00:40:10.000 Really completely mad.

00:40:11.000 Okay.

00:40:12.000 Time for some mailbag questions.

00:40:13.000 So let's mailbag it up here.

00:40:14.000 All right.

00:40:15.000 James says, Hi Ben.

00:40:17.000 I found myself wondering recently how I can simultaneously believe the following two statements.

00:40:21.000 Man was made in God's image.

00:40:22.000 The line between good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.

00:40:25.000 How do you score man's capacity for evil with the divinity of our souls?

00:40:29.000 Well, there are several interesting spiritual takes on this particular question.

00:40:32.000 The traditional Thomistic take is that evil is a lack of good.

00:40:37.000 It is a diminished good.

00:40:38.000 So God creates good, and then we, because we have free will, diminish that good, and that's what evil is.

00:40:43.000 That is one view of what evil is.

00:40:46.000 Another view of what evil is is that God made us effectively in two parts.

00:40:51.000 He made the animal side of us, the animal side of our soul.

00:40:53.000 This is the Kabbalistic view, the Jewish Kabbalistic view.

00:40:56.000 And then he, and that is all of our desires, which can be used for perversion, or they can be used for, channeled toward good.

00:41:03.000 And then, and then there's the divine spark that he put within all of us, which is our creative faculty, our ability to choose.

00:41:09.000 That's the part of us that is good.

00:41:11.000 But we have to use that good in order to pursue good, or because we're given free will, we can use that good to pursue evil.

00:41:16.000 The Jewish view is that we have what we call the etzer hara and the etzer hatov.

00:41:20.000 We have, we have drives to do good, and we have drives to do bad.

00:41:24.000 And those are implanted with us because we have creative capacity and free will.

00:41:28.000 So God did create human beings with the capacity to do evil, but he did not force us to do evil.

00:41:34.000 He encourages us to choose good.

00:41:36.000 What makes us human is the fact that we have that choice.

00:41:38.000 Without the presence or possibility of evil, there is no choice.

00:41:42.000 Indeed, you then become a deterministic mechanism that always chooses good.

00:41:45.000 That's what the angels are in Jewish theology.

00:41:48.000 They're messengers.

00:41:48.000 The word malach in Hebrew is both messenger and also angel, the idea being that angels are effectively just forces in the world that have a singular purpose and do not have the capacity to choose.

00:41:58.000 Justin says, Ben, do you think illegal immigrants, if allowed to vote, would vote along the lines of their Christian values and not the left? 0.70

00:42:03.000 If true, what would the Democrats do then?

00:42:05.000 Well, I think that what the record tends to show is that illegal immigrants or people who are fresh immigrants from Central America and Mexico, that people tend to vote Democrat for the first generation, then they tend to move toward the middle over time.

00:42:18.000 Second generation Latino immigrants tend to vote more Republican, which is what you've seen in places like Texas.

00:42:23.000 it If they are given tremendous benefits, if people are given tremendous benefits and do not integrate or assimilate, then they tend to vote Democrat for a very long period of time, which is what you see in California.

00:42:34.000 Also, it's true that the California Republican Party treated Latinos very differently than the Texas Republican Party.

00:42:39.000 Texas was much more welcoming.

00:42:41.000 California was not as welcoming.

00:42:43.000 And so you've seen the disparate impact of that in voting patterns.

00:42:47.000 Andy says, hey Ben, do you think the Attorney General should be elected rather than appointed by the President?

00:42:51.000 It just seems that Attorney Generals could always be portrayed as having motives in protecting the President, of which appointed them to that position.

00:42:57.000 Would this solve any of the scrutiny Barr is facing for opening this investigation?

00:43:00.000 Thanks, Andy.

00:43:01.000 Well, no, we don't have a fourth branch that would create a fourth branch.

00:43:05.000 This was actually the question with regard to special investigators, special counsels.

00:43:11.000 Kenneth Starr was appointed under the Special Counsel Act.

00:43:15.000 He was independent of the president.

00:43:17.000 He couldn't be fired without congressional permission.

00:43:19.000 And this created a situation where the executive was not in control of its own folks.

00:43:24.000 The theory of the unitary executive that is expressed by Justice Scalia so well is that we have three branches of government, not four.

00:43:29.000 You can't have somebody working for the executive but really working for the legislature.

00:43:33.000 That's not the way any of this works.

00:43:35.000 That's why you have congressional investigative bodies. 0.68

00:43:37.000 You want to investigate from Congress?

00:43:38.000 You can do that.

00:43:39.000 It's the balance of power that allows us to check power from Congress and not make it the Supreme Branch.

00:43:45.000 And it's the executive that is checked by Congress.

00:43:48.000 So having an elected Attorney General who is free to do whatever they want, that person will be political too.

00:43:55.000 I don't believe that anybody is completely apolitical.

00:43:57.000 The Attorney General would then be the most powerful person, presumably, in America because they can investigate the president if they didn't like the president.

00:44:05.000 Let's say that you elected a Democratic AG under a Republican president.

00:44:09.000 Then all you would get is a bunch of A bunch of investigations of the president, many of them poorly motivated.

00:44:16.000 Let's say that you had an AG who was elected, who was the same party as the president, well then you have exactly the same problem.

00:44:21.000 Ophir says, hello, Ben.

00:44:23.000 Should the U.S. leave the U.N.?

00:44:24.000 What are the repercussions of leaving the U.N.?

00:44:25.000 Yes, the United States should defund the U.N. and leave the U.N. and bulldoze the building and build apartment buildings on it.

00:44:31.000 Yes.

00:44:32.000 Okay, the UN is a terrible idea.

00:44:34.000 It was always a terrible idea.

00:44:36.000 There's no rationale for countries that are run by evil human beings to have the same weight in the UN General Assembly as the United States.

00:44:44.000 There's no reason to suggest that Russia should be on the UN Security Council having veto power over issues in which it has a direct hand.

00:44:52.000 Direct negotiations with Russia are a better idea than the UN Security Council.

00:44:56.000 The UN is a mockery and a sham.

00:44:59.000 And if you want to create a League of Democracies, create a League of Democracies.

00:45:02.000 Create alliances without regard to this false notion that there's a family of nations.

00:45:07.000 There is no family of nations.

00:45:08.000 There are good nations in terms of leadership.

00:45:10.000 There are bad nations in terms of leadership.

00:45:12.000 To pretend that they are all on an equivalent plane is absurd.

00:45:15.000 And that's why you see these ridiculous stories all too often with like Iran on the Women's Rights Council or something. 0.81

00:45:21.000 Dylan says, Is there any non-religious way to explain the difference between humans and animals?

00:45:26.000 Is there any way to argue that humans are special without relying on God?

00:45:28.000 If not, then how can non-religious people be convinced that humans are more valuable than animals? 1.00

00:45:32.000 Or how can they be convinced that God is the reason behind what separates us?

00:45:35.000 Thanks.

00:45:35.000 Well, this is one of the questions that I ask in my new book, Bestseller, The Right Side of History, the number one New York Times bestseller.

00:45:43.000 My answer here is no, that if you are a complete scientific materialist, there is nothing that distinguishes us from a fly, let alone from a monkey.

00:45:50.000 So, the capacity for reason is just a more complex firing of neurons, and there is nothing more moral about that, per se.

00:45:57.000 Now, there are people who say that humans are more important than animals because we have the capacity to reason, but as I mentioned in the book, even the capacity to reason is only morally beneficial because The capacity to reason is seen as something higher, something morally good.

00:46:10.000 Where are you getting that morality from?

00:46:12.000 You're not getting it from evolutionary biology.

00:46:14.000 Nothing in evolutionary biology suggests that a value attaches to the use of reason as opposed to the use of force.

00:46:20.000 Spencer says, Hey Ben, I'm 20 years old.

00:46:22.000 I'm starting to pick up musical instruments.

00:46:24.000 I've been playing the piano for less than two months.

00:46:26.000 I'm itching to start the more difficult pieces.

00:46:27.000 What are your suggestions for learning to play difficult classical pieces like sonatas?

00:46:31.000 Practice.

00:46:32.000 I mean, you just have to practice and practice and practice and practice.

00:46:34.000 You know, I can play the beginning of the Moonlight Sonata.

00:46:36.000 That's pretty much all I can play.

00:46:37.000 So you can train yourself to play specific pieces.

00:46:39.000 But if you really want to get good, Then you need to start from the basics and then work your way up so that you have a skill set and so that you're not basically a jukebox with one tune on it.

00:46:48.000 That's right.

00:46:48.000 says hey ben after listening to you for several years i've gathered you grew up more or less on the straight and narrow with extremely high standards for yourself that's right my question is what were the key factors in maintaining that level of integrity through the endlessly challenging phases of becoming a man and what advice do you have for parents wanting to support and strengthen their son on that journey thanks donovan

00:47:05.000 i think the number one thing is my parents always taught you have to have responsibility for your own actions that you will be held accountable by us or by god and that you are doing something that is important and good that there is a purpose to what you are doing and that the opposition that you face in life the challenges that you face in life make you stronger rather than weaker that you are for that that living on the straight and narrow is not you bowing to external pressures you're

00:47:28.000 Living on the straight and narrow is you failing to bow to external pressures because the external pressures, the lusts that you have, the things that you want to do, the hedonism you wish to pursue, those are much stronger internal and external pressures than living on the straight and narrow and being in control of yourself.

00:47:44.000 The highest purpose that you can have as a human being is to use reason in pursuit of virtue.

00:47:48.000 That's the Aristotelian idea, not even the religious idea.

00:47:51.000 I really believe in that.

00:47:52.000 Preston says, hey Ben, Well, it depends.

00:47:54.000 I love Enlightenment philosophy.

00:47:55.000 I think it's really fun and really impactful, obviously.

00:47:57.000 I love Montesquieu.

00:47:57.000 great books of the Western world.

00:47:58.000 Much of the program is set by the student.

00:48:00.000 What great works would you recommend focusing on?

00:48:02.000 Thanks, Preston.

00:48:03.000 Well, it depends.

00:48:04.000 I love enlightenment philosophy.

00:48:06.000 I think it's really fun and really impactful, obviously.

00:48:09.000 I love Montesquieu.

00:48:10.000 I love Locke.

00:48:11.000 I even love some of the French philosophers who I despise.

00:48:14.000 All of them are great.

00:48:15.000 All of that stuff is interesting.

00:48:17.000 I think the under-kind-of-looked-at period is the slightly post-Middle Ages.

00:48:25.000 So I think that the period from Aquinas to Machiavelli is rather underserved scholastically.

00:48:32.000 There are a bunch of people who have written about it, but it seems to have taken a backseat to everything Machiavelli and beyond.

00:48:37.000 That stuff is really juicy.

00:48:38.000 I mean, Machiavelli is super juicy, but the Thomistic period, the philosophy of Maimonides, the philosophy...

00:48:48.000 Of Aquinas.

00:48:50.000 I find that stuff to be extraordinarily valuable and with newfound relevance.

00:48:54.000 Tyler says, Hey man, you've talked about the seven laws of Noah to follow in order to get into heaven, one of which is not to steal.

00:48:59.000 When I was about five or six years old, I was in a gas station with my dad.

00:49:02.000 I stole a small box of candy.

00:49:03.000 My father found out and lectured me on why stealing is bad, quoting the Bible.

00:49:06.000 I wonder if this constitutes breaking the law of not stealing.

00:49:09.000 Can I still get into heaven or is my salvation over and should I live like the hippies in the sixties?

00:49:12.000 Thanks.

00:49:13.000 Love your show and all the work you do.

00:49:14.000 Okay.

00:49:15.000 The answer is that repentance is always a possibility.

00:49:17.000 The first thing you have to do is go back to the people you stole from, if you can find them, and then repay, which will be a weight off your head.

00:49:24.000 I mean, repentance in Judaism, if you commit a sin against another person, you're supposed to repent to the person, and then you can repent to God.

00:49:31.000 So if you can track down which convenience store it was, it may be a lot later, then try and do it, right?

00:49:37.000 And you'll feel better about yourself, and that person will feel better about you.

00:49:40.000 It would be, I think, an amazing thing.

00:49:41.000 I think it would be an amazing, it's a great story if you do that.

00:49:44.000 So I would do that if I were you.

00:49:46.000 Also, if you can't track down the person, all you can really do is repent.

00:49:49.000 And one of the key modes of repentance is acknowledging that it was wrong and you're never going to do it again.

00:49:54.000 So I think that you've obviously done that already.

00:49:56.000 Micah says, Hi Ben, we are two law students in the Boston area who are avid listeners.

00:49:59.000 Why is the legal education industry such a hierarchy?

00:50:02.000 Why do current free market solutions for for-profit law schools failed to stack up against places like HLS.

00:50:07.000 Shouldn't the free market be able to do better than Harvard with respect to legal education, not necessarily job prospects?

00:50:12.000 Best, Mike, undone.

00:50:13.000 Well, HLS as a for-profit institution is going to charge what they need to charge in order to ensure that they continue to function properly.

00:50:21.000 The legal education industry is a hierarchy because most states have laws on the books that prevent you from taking the bar without going to an accredited law school, I don't I think that's a mistake.

00:50:31.000 I think apprenticeships should be on the table.

00:50:32.000 I think you should be able to take the bar without going to law school.

00:50:35.000 I think that you should be able to do one year without actually one year of law school.

00:50:40.000 Okay, final question here.

00:50:41.000 of law without having to go three years to law school and just rack up the debt.

00:50:45.000 Okay, final question here.

00:50:47.000 Mark says, after watching your talk at GSU yesterday, well, I assume that was Grand Canyon University, GCU, I was wondering, what do you suggest to atheists when balancing faith and reason?

00:50:55.000 Are we supposed to believe in God without a reason sufficient for us?

00:50:58.000 No, you don't have to believe in God, but you have to take as valuable assumptions, the same assumptions that Judeo-Christian values make, and you have to understand that what you're doing is making an assumption about those values.

00:51:09.000 That's what you have to do.

00:51:11.000 And you can't lie to yourself by saying that you can reason your way to those values, or that reason invariably carries you to those values, because I don't think that it does.

00:51:19.000 Assuming that reason can do too much is just as dangerous as assuming that reason can't do enough.

00:51:24.000 There's a balance between reason and faith, as I say.

00:51:26.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I like, and then we'll get to a thing that I hate.

00:51:30.000 So, things that I like today.

00:51:33.000 When Kevin McCarthy did something I think was valuable yesterday, he pushed back on the Democrats in Congress who have spent their entire time running Congress, passing useless resolutions designed to make them look good and to virtue signal.

00:51:44.000 Here is Kevin McCarthy, the House Minority Leader, going after the Democrats.

00:51:49.000 A question more and more Americans are beginning to ask.

00:51:54.000 What have the Democrats done with their majority?

00:51:56.000 This Friday marks the 100th day of the new Democrat majority.

00:52:02.000 A hundred days of Democrat disappointment.

00:52:05.000 At this point in the last Congress, Republicans had passed 141 bills out of committee and 132 out of the House.

00:52:14.000 By contrast, Democrats have passed 68 bills out of committee and 97 out of the House.

00:52:21.000 So much for doing the job of the People's House.

00:52:24.000 No.

00:52:25.000 It's whatever leadership decides.

00:52:27.000 Okay, well, he is not wrong about this, and it is quite sad that Democrats have decided that they're going to spend all of their time passing crazy crap like the Green New Deal or Medicare for All that's going nowhere, specifically in order to signal about stuff they have no intention of voting for at all anyway.

00:52:41.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:52:46.000 Alrighty, so two quick things that I hate.

00:52:48.000 So Maxine Waters, it is unbelievable this woman chairs a committee, particularly House Financial Services.

00:52:53.000 She has been one of the most corrupt members of Congress for virtually her entire career. 0.99

00:52:58.000 Yesterday, she was doing a hearing with Steve Mnuchin.

00:53:00.000 Mnuchin had already negotiated, he's the Treasury Secretary, he'd already negotiated with the committee that he was gonna have to leave after three and a half hours, he'd be happy to come back at another time.

00:53:08.000 He looked up at the clock, he said, listen, I gotta go, and Maxine Waters suddenly decided, still she persisted, the strength of Maxine Waters, telling him that she was violating... I have changed the agreement.

00:53:18.000 Pray I do not alter it further.

00:53:19.000 That was basically Maxine Waters yesterday. 0.97

00:53:22.000 I've sat here for over three hour and fifteen minutes, I've told you I'll come back.

00:53:26.000 I just don't believe we're sitting here negotiating when I come back.

00:53:30.000 I appreciate your reminding us of the length of time other secretaries have been here.

00:53:36.000 This is a new way.

00:53:36.000 And it's a new day.

00:53:38.000 And it's a new chair.

00:53:40.000 And I have the gavel at this point.

00:53:42.000 If you wish to leave, you may.

00:53:44.000 Can you clarify that for me?

00:53:46.000 Yes, clarify.

00:53:47.000 If you wish to leave, you may.

00:53:51.000 Okay, so we're dismissed.

00:53:53.000 Is that correct?

00:53:55.000 If you wish to leave, you may leave.

00:53:57.000 You may go.

00:53:58.000 Anytime you want.

00:54:00.000 Please dismiss everybody.

00:54:01.000 I believe you're supposed to take the gravel and bang it.

00:54:04.000 Please do not instruct me as to how I am to conduct this committee. 0.99

00:54:08.000 She's a crazy person! 1.00

00:54:09.000 She's crazy! 1.00

00:54:10.000 If you want to leave, you may. 0.96

00:54:11.000 And he's saying, like, I need you to dismiss me so that you don't hold me in contempt when I get up and walk out of the room.

00:54:16.000 Like, what the hell? 0.99

00:54:17.000 What is wrong with you? 1.00

00:54:18.000 What is this nonsense? 0.86

00:54:19.000 This is just as bad as when you had Ilhan Omar questioning, uh, who is it, Elliott Brand?

00:54:25.000 And saying to him, so, do you support, do you support Genocide in South America?

00:54:30.000 And he's like, no.

00:54:31.000 And she goes, I'll take that as a yes. 0.88

00:54:32.000 What the hell is wrong with these people? 0.71

00:54:34.000 What is wrong with Maxine Waters? 1.00

00:54:36.000 Just say yes, you're dismissed.

00:54:39.000 But she doesn't want to do that.

00:54:39.000 She wants to do the, I'm standing up to power.

00:54:41.000 And the media treat this as though she's standing up to power. 0.94

00:54:43.000 She is the power.

00:54:45.000 There's no standing up to power there.

00:54:46.000 He pre-negotiated the time he would be there.

00:54:48.000 And then she violated that agreement.

00:54:50.000 And he said, can I go?

00:54:51.000 And she's like, you can leave if you want.

00:54:53.000 He's like, OK, well then dismiss me so that you don't hold me in contempt.

00:54:56.000 She's like, I'm not going to do that.

00:54:58.000 You make the decision.

00:54:58.000 Well, what?

00:55:00.000 What?

00:55:03.000 How do we elect these people?

00:55:04.000 The hell is wrong with this country?

00:55:06.000 My goodness. 0.87

00:55:07.000 Okay, speaking of what the hell is wrong with this country, San Jose Airport has decided it is deeply necessary to place LGBTQ pride flags in the airport in front of a Chick-fil-A. 0.95

00:55:17.000 As though people who work at Chick-fil-A give two craps about this.

00:55:21.000 The San Jose City Council voted 11-0 on Tuesday to hang rainbow flags in support of LGBTQ people and pink, blue, and white flags for transgender rights at or near a Chick-fil-A due to open in May at San Jose International Airport. 0.99

00:55:33.000 What spiteful garbage human beings. 0.99

00:55:36.000 San Jose City Council. 1.00

00:55:38.000 And this is the equivalent, it really is the equivalent of there's a gay bakery that opens in a small Midwestern town and the City Council votes to put a bunch of crosses up on flags across from the gay bakery.

00:55:52.000 Chick-fil-A has not discriminated against gay people.

00:55:54.000 The owner of Chick-fil-A, Dan Cathy, backs traditional marriage. 0.50

00:55:57.000 We are six years after he made a statement about it, and they are still doing this spiteful nonsense where Chick-fil-A is deeply evil because the owner holds a different position on traditional marriage and homosexual sin?

00:56:07.000 That's where we are as a country?

00:56:09.000 I'm so glad that the San Jose City Council has solved all of their problems, and now they're going to try and shame, what, the employees of the local Chick-fil-A?

00:56:15.000 How often do you think Dan Cathy's gonna go there?

00:56:17.000 You think Dan Cathy's gonna stand in the window and then stare angrily out the window at the gay flags? 1.00

00:56:23.000 What do these people think they're accomplishing?

00:56:24.000 The answer is nothing. 1.00

00:56:25.000 They think that they are suckering their own population into believing that they have done something meaningful by merely virtue signaling with the stupidest possible methodology. 1.00

00:56:34.000 What idiocy. 1.00

00:56:35.000 Okay, we'll be back here later today for two more hours. 1.00

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00:57:11.000 You know, Confucius said, if you want to know the truth, you have to use the proper names for things.

00:57:16.000 Can anyone deny that the left has made that almost impossible, whether it's calling the FBI spying, spying, or calling Julian Assange's spying journalism?

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