The Ben Shapiro Show - STILL WINNING: Trump’s DC Crime Triumph PLUS Court Kills $500M Anti-Trump Judgment

00:00:00.000 President Trump meets with the National Guard because he is winning the war against crime in Washington, DC.

00:00:04.000 New statistics come out about immigration that show that his program to stop illegal immigration is working as well.

00:00:09.000 And a huge judgment from a New York Appellate Court striking down that ridiculous $500 million judgment against him.

00:00:15.000 So a lot of victories for President Trump.

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00:01:10.000 So President Trump has won a signal victory in this anti-crime fight in Washington, DC.

00:01:15.000 The man has a gift for pickinging vulnerable points for the Democrats attacking those vulnerable points and making the Democrats defend the vulnerability.

00:01:22.000 It really is kind of an amazing thing.

00:01:24.000 According to Breitbart, violent crime in Washington, DC has fallen twenty two percent over the last week following President Trump's crackdown in the city.

00:01:31.000 According to Fox News Digitals, David Marcus, there were no murders in the city over the last seven days.

00:01:36.000 That is a feat that has not been seen for months, since actually March.

00:01:39.000 Apparently, there are other statistics available from the local police union revealing that since Trump's federal takeover, car jackings have fallen an astonishing eighty three percent.

00:01:48.000 Robbery has fallen forty six percent, which is indeed pretty amazing.

00:01:53.000 And again, it's not all that amazing when you realize that the way to stop crime is just to put people on the ground who police crime.

00:01:59.000 I know this is like crazy to Democrats, but after you label the police the problem, crime goes up.

00:02:05.000 After you bring people in to do law enforcement, crime goes down.

00:02:09.000 And yet Democrats are still fulminating over this, claiming it's a fascist takeover of the United States in toto, even though President Trump did choose the area where the federal government has the most plenary power.

00:02:21.000 Washington, DC is not an independent state.

00:02:23.000 It is not an independent polity.

00:02:25.000 It is a federal district.

00:02:26.000 It is run by Congress and by the president.

00:02:29.000 And if they delegate power to the mayor, that power still exists under the authority of the federal government of the United States.

00:02:35.000 Well, yesterday, President Trump met with police and military in Washington, DC.

00:02:41.000 He visited US Park Police and Acostia Operations facility in southeastern DC, which is seen as the gathering point for all the agencies involved in the operation.

00:02:49.000 According to ABC News, he delivered hamburgers from the White House and pizza, which is again very Trumpy.

00:02:55.000 He has a fondness for bringing people fast food and good news.

00:02:58.000 People like fast food.

00:03:00.000 President Trump at this event, he said, listen, we're not going to stop this at Washington, DC.

00:03:04.000 We are going to try to enforce the law in all the places, in other places as well.

00:03:09.000 We're not playing games.

00:03:10.000 We're going to make it safe.

00:03:12.000 And we're going to go on to other places, but we're going to stay here for a while.

00:03:16.000 We want to make this absolutely perfect.

00:03:18.000 It's our capital.

00:03:20.000 And I guess it used to be many years ago safe, but it certainly not had a very good run.

00:03:27.000 President Trump also did his usual sort of outreach to people.

00:03:33.000 President Trump is an amazing retail politician.

00:03:35.000 I've seen the man work.

00:03:36.000 I've seen him deal with people on a day to day level.

00:03:39.000 And he is tremendous in person, like really, really good.

00:03:41.000 And you see this in all of his sort of tet a tets with various members of the public, public officials, public servants.

00:03:47.000 He's really good one-on-one.

00:03:49.000 And so he goes to this group and he starts praising them as being healthy and attractive looking, which is high praise in Trump world.

00:03:55.000 It's a healthy, attractive looking group of people.

00:04:00.000 Well, I just want to thank everybody very much for being here.

00:04:04.000 I wanted to do this.

00:04:05.000 We've had some incredible results and results have come out and it's like a different place.

00:04:12.000 It's like a different city.

00:04:14.000 It's the capital.

00:04:15.000 It's going to be the best in the world.

00:04:17.000 You know, Trump, again, when it comes to the retail of this, he's amazing.

00:04:21.000 Remember back during the campaign, when he went to New York City and went into bodegas, was talking with people, this is Trump's.

00:04:27.000 bread and butter.

00:04:28.000 He mentioned during his visit that The federal government and law enforcement have been cleaning up the parks in Washington, DC, which is, of course, true.

00:04:36.000 One of the things we're going to be redoing is your parks.

00:04:39.000 I'm very good at grass because I have a lot of golf courses all over the place.

00:04:42.000 I know more about grass than any human being, I think, anywhere in the world.

00:04:47.000 And we're going to be regressing all of your parks, all brand new sprinkler systems, the best that you can buy, just like Augusta.

00:04:55.000 It will look like Augusta.

00:04:56.000 It will look like, more importantly, Trump National Golf Club.

00:04:59.000 That's even better.

00:05:00.000 But we're going to look, we're going to have all brand new, beautiful grass.

00:05:04.000 You know, like everything else, grass has a life.

00:05:06.000 Do you know that?

00:05:07.000 Grass has a life.

00:05:09.000 and grass is a life.

00:05:11.000 And the grass here died about forty years ago.

00:05:14.000 So we're going to be rebuilding all of your parks and it's going to happen fast.

00:05:18.000 It's going to go up like a miracle.

00:05:22.000 The Free Association about grass is pretty great.

00:05:24.000 I mean, again, he does own a lot of golf courses.

00:05:25.000 That is definitely true.

00:05:26.000 I will say, I've been to Trump Doral and the grass there looks great.

00:05:30.000 He is not wrong about the grass at his clubs.

00:05:32.000 Very, very nice grass.

00:05:34.000 He also added that he's been receiving lots of phone calls thanking him for what he's been doing.

00:05:40.000 I've never received so many phone calls thanking me for what we've done in Washington, DC from people that haven't gone to a restaurant in literally in four years.

00:05:50.000 And they said, you know what you've done is it's unprecedented because what they they said it was just unsafe.

00:05:59.000 We couldn't do it.

00:06:00.000 We'd go out and you'd see the stories.

00:06:02.000 You'd read the stories.

00:06:03.000 You'd see all of the things that are happening.

00:06:06.000 And they said we just we couldn't we couldn't stand it, sir.

00:06:09.000 And now I take my wife and my kids to dinner.

00:06:12.000 One of them said he's gone out four nights in a row and he hadn't gone out for four years.

00:06:19.000 So President Trump, again, this is a big win for him.

00:06:22.000 The crime issue is a big winner for Republicans because Democrats are weak on crime, it is indeed that simple.

00:06:27.000 The immigration issue is, of course, another major win for President Trump.

00:06:31.000 So an astonishing report that apparently, you remember back in 2012, Mitt Romney suggested to the consternation of the entire left wing media that if you enforce the border, you will end up with an enormous amount of self deportation.

00:06:44.000 So this is part of his plan that if you enforce the immigration laws, people will not want to be picked up by ICE.

00:06:50.000 They will instead just leave.

00:06:51.000 Well, that is a thing that has been happening under President Trump.

00:06:54.000 According to Axios, the White House crackdown appears to have driven 1.5 million immigrants out of the country.

00:06:59.000 According to a new tally from Pew Research, it is the first time the immigrant population has has fallen in decades, a clear win for the Trump administration. 1.00

00:07:06.000 In January, the foreign born population hit an all-time high of 53.3 million, driven by a gigantic surge during the Biden administration.

00:07:13.000 Since then, data from the census current population survey analyzed by Pew shows a decline.

00:07:18.000 By June, the immigrant population had dropped to 51.9 million.

00:07:21.000 19% of the labor force were immigrants as of June, down from 20% last year, which is a decrease of more than 750,000 workers.

00:07:29.000 The decline is mostly due to deportations and also immigrants voluntarily leaving the country fearing the crackdown.

00:07:36.000 So the self-deportation that Mitt Romney suggested, it actually is happening under President Trump and he is up the ante is President Trump apparently.

00:07:45.000 According to the New York Post, the Trump administration will begin reviewing all 55 million US visa holders to see if they have committed any deportable offenses.

00:07:53.000 So the idea here is that if you're here on a visa and you're overstepping the visa or if you're here on a visa and you've committed a crime, you need to go.

00:08:02.000 Any immigrants holding US visas found with indicators of overstepping criminal activity, threats to public safety, engaging in any form of terrorist activity or providing support to a terrorist organization will have their permits to live in the United States revoked and deported. 0.70

00:08:14.000 According to the State Department under Secretary of State Marco Rubia, State Department representatives told the AP all US visa holders are subject to continuous vetting intending to identify deportable offenses.

00:08:25.000 So it's not as though you get in once and now you can do whatever you damn well please.

00:08:28.000 You still have to abide by the laws of the United States.

00:08:31.000 According to the New York Post, since President Trump took office in January, six thousand student visas have been revoked, about four thousand were taken from international students who broke the law.

00:08:41.000 So again, President Trump is taking his task with crime and immigration very, very seriously.

00:08:46.000 And these are big wins for President Trump.

00:08:49.000 And by the way, it is also counteracting one of the things that happened under Joe Biden, which is the vast influx of illegal immigration that then proceeded to go to purpleish states or blue states stacking their congressional representation.

00:09:02.000 As Breitbart points out, in just two years of his one term presidency, President Joe Biden's border policies helped welcome more than a million illegal aliens to the nation's electoral swing states, which is pretty astonishing.

00:09:14.000 And again, drives up the congressional representation in those particular areas.

00:09:19.000 So an attempt to get that under control will have good upside for American citizens who vote.

00:09:25.000 Already coming up, we'll speak to Mark Recorian from the Center on Immigration Studies as well as a young man named Matt Nuclear, who is eighteen years old and he dominated a woman named Amanda Seals on Jubilee.

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00:12:17.000 Well, speaking of President Trump's successes on immigration, joining me online is Mark Ricorian, nationally recognized expert on immigration issues.

00:12:23.000 He has served as the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies since 1995.

00:12:28.000 Mark, thank you so much for taking the time.

00:12:29.000 Really appreciate it.

00:12:30.000 Glad to be here.

00:12:30.000 So there are a couple of really stellar reports for the Trump administration on immigration.

00:12:34.000 There was one that came out just yesterday.

00:12:36.000 Axios reported on this that essentially there's been an enormous amount of self deportation since the Trump administration started actually enforcing the law with regard to immigration.

00:12:45.000 What do you make of the report?

00:12:47.000 Well, we actually released the same.

00:12:49.000 report a week ago, uh, before, and it we found a reduction both in the illegal and legal population.

00:12:56.000 The illegal population seems to have gone down by 1.6 million people.

00:13:02.000 Now, you know, it's preliminary numbers.

00:13:04.000 Uh, we'll see later whether it's right, but the all the indications are that it is going down.

00:13:10.000 And that's not just deportations, obviously.

00:13:13.000 That's mostly going to be people leaving on their own.

00:13:16.000 Now, every year there's always churn anyway in the illegal population or the immigrant population.

00:13:21.000 Some illegals just go home for their own reasons without being, you know, self deported.

00:13:26.000 But the key, and this is the key to success, is fewer illegal immigrants coming in and more illegal going out.

00:13:32.000 I mean, it's, you know, it's sort of simple.

00:13:34.000 It's like dieting, fewer calories in, you know, more calories out.

00:13:37.000 And that seems to be working.

00:13:39.000 And, you know, we'll see.

00:13:40.000 It's only been, what, eight months or something, seven months, but it's definitely going in the right direction.

00:13:45.000 So there have been two aspects of Trump's immigration policy with regard to illegal immigration.

00:13:49.000 One is shutting the border, which he did legitimately day one.

00:13:52.000 And it's an astonishing thing that we were told by the media, by the Biden administration, they needed more congressional power, they needed more funding in order to shut the border.

00:13:59.000 Trump comes in first day, says the border's closed, the border remains closed and we basically have no illegal immigration since then without any substantive legal changes really on that order.

00:14:08.000 I mean, we have new funding for the border wall and all the rest thanks to the big, beautiful bill.

00:14:12.000 But I mean, that stuff really hasn't even started to happen yet and still illegal immigration dropped to zero.

00:14:17.000 So we've had that, which has been great.

00:14:18.000 On the other hand, we also have the deportation policies themselves.

00:14:22.000 And there's a bit of confusion about how thorough the deportation policies currently are, how many people are being deported, what is ICE being told to do.

00:14:30.000 We've been told by some people in the administration they're targeting people who have the most egregious criminal records, by some others that pretty much everybody is going to go.

00:14:37.000 What do you think of the Trump administration's deportation policy?

00:14:41.000 Well, they always said from the beginning, Tom Homan, the borders are.

00:14:46.000 The Border Zar has said they're going to prioritize the worst of the worst.

00:14:51.000 The thing is that if you're going to go look for people that have warrants that are, you know, child molesters, what have you, you're going to run into a lot of other illegal aliens.

00:15:02.000 And so this is a point that Homan has made is that if sanctuary cities just let people into their jails, ICE into their jails, so that when people are arrested for the normal things people are arrested for, they check their status and they take them off their hands.

00:15:19.000 ICE would have so much work on its hands it wouldn't be able to wander around neighborhoods looking looking for people, but that's what they're doing because sanctuary cities keep them out of their jails.

00:15:30.000 The other thing though is that work site enforcement by definition is not targeted towards criminals.

00:15:37.000 I mean, if you're raiding some warehouse or something that you have intelligence there's a lot of illegals there, some of those people are going to be criminals because a lot of criminals have day jobs too.

00:15:47.000 But most of them are just going to be ordinary working stiffs. 0.98

00:15:50.000 Everyone who's here illegally is deportable at all times. 1.00

00:15:54.000 So the analogy I draw is like to speeding.

00:15:58.000 If a car is driving through a school zone, firing a machine gun out the window.

00:16:04.000 Everybody's going after that.

00:16:05.000 That's top priority.

00:16:06.000 But that doesn't mean that the cops don't bother doing regular traffic enforcement.

00:16:12.000 People whose inspection stickers have expired and all that stuff.

00:16:15.000 You need to do both, routine enforcement against people who aren't anyone, and high priority enforcement against real lowlies. 0.99

00:16:24.000 So let's talk for a second about what would be a realistic number that you'd be looking for as an advocate for deporting illegal immigrants that that seems like something that would be doable because there's been a lot of talk about there are twenty million illegal immigrants in the country, at least there's probably more. 0.59

00:16:38.000 And so the talk about how many are going to be deporported?

00:16:41.000 Obviously, during the campaign, President Trump basically said all of them.

00:16:44.000 That would require, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars presumably in law enforcement resources in order to actually effectuate.

00:16:50.000 What would be a realistic number that you would be looking for the Trump administration?

00:16:53.000 Not with regard to turnarounds at the border, but like people who are actually in the country, whom we have to find and then deport. 1.00

00:16:58.000 The, first of all, our estimate is probably 14, 15 million illegal, maybe 16.

00:17:05.000 The higher numbers, I think, are people kind of getting over enthusiastic and then they kind of outbid each other on how big is your number, you know, that sort of thing.

00:17:14.000 I don't want to come up with numbers because the point is, let's start.

00:17:19.000 squeezing the illegal population as much as we can. 0.96

00:17:22.000 Maybe if it gets down to half its size, we can then talk about what else we do.

00:17:28.000 But I don't, that's not a productive discussion now.

00:17:31.000 The point is you want to get as many people to leave as possible, some deported, most leaving on their own.

00:17:40.000 Only in the second term of the JD Vance administration should we even be talking about, okay, now what do we do about the illegals who are still here? 0.96

00:17:49.000 So meanwhile, the Trump administration has also been cracking down on the ways in which legal immigration has been done.

00:17:56.000 Obviously, they are now reviewing for criminality and for overtime visas.

00:17:59.000 People who came here with visas, an enormous number of people are here illegally, actually got in legally through visas and then just overtime their visas.

00:18:06.000 But not just that, when people are now coming in, the Trump administration is looking at their social media history, trying to determine whether there's anti American sentiment, whether these are people we actually want to be immigrants to the country at all.

00:18:16.000 The left is going nuts about this.

00:18:18.000 I'm again, I think confused would be an understatement at the left's willingness to say the quiet part out loud, which is that they want people in the country who don't actually like the country.

00:18:27.000 But that seems to be the tack that they are taking, is that they are fine with importing people without any ideological screening whatsoever, that somehow America owes citizenship to people who come here from abroad, no matter how much they hate the country or don't have anything in common with our principles.

00:18:41.000 I mean, some of the people on the left, they I mean, they do see this as let's import more people who hate America like we do.

00:18:47.000 But I think there is a kind of broader ideological view there that many of the libertarians also share, which is that the American people have no right to keep anyone out.

00:18:56.000 In other words, that mobility is a right.

00:18:59.000 You not only have a right to leave your country, which I think pretty much everyone agrees is something that you have, but you also have a right to go into anyone else's country you want. 0.95

00:19:09.000 And if that's your point of view, there's nothing to debate.

00:19:12.000 You're not, we're not debating immigration policy anymore.

00:19:16.000 It used to be that democrats would say, Okay, well, we want a little more of this or a little less of that, or let's turn the dial a little different way.

00:19:23.000 That's normal political debate.

00:19:25.000 What we're in the stage we're now at is that the left and the libertarians reject the concept of borders as such, and on the left that's becoming a litmus test issue like abortion or something.

00:19:39.000 And so what is there to debate with folks if that's their perspective?

00:19:45.000 That's Mark Krecorian.

00:19:46.000 He, of course, is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies doing wonderful work there.

00:19:49.000 You can go check all of his work over at CIS.

00:19:52.000 Mark, thank you so much for the time.

00:19:54.000 Thank you.

00:19:55.000 Already coming up, the FBI just raided John Bolton.

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00:22:14.000 Meanwhile, another big win for President Trump yesterday.

00:22:16.000 A New York appellate court threw out the ridiculous $500 million civil fraud penalty against President Trump.

00:22:24.000 So you will recall that last.

00:22:26.000 That last year, there was a decision that came down from a New York court.

00:22:32.000 A trial judge found that Trump was liable for fraud.

00:22:35.000 Why?

00:22:36.000 Because supposedly when he was getting loans, he had made statements about his, his properties and the value of his properties and then he had gotten loans based on the value of the properties and then none of those loans were in default, right?

00:22:49.000 He ended up paying back all of those loans.

00:22:51.000 It wasn't any of the lenders who were complaining about all of this.

00:22:53.000 New York State Attorney General Letitia James decided that she was going to go after him.

00:22:58.000 And so she kind of jerry rigged an entire case that violated the actual essence of the law because the law was not designed for anything of this.

00:23:07.000 And then you'll recall.

00:23:09.000 that Letitia James had actually put out a tweet celebrating the amount that he was fined is 464 million 576 230 dollars and 62 cents.

00:23:18.000 That was back in February of 2024.

00:23:21.000 According to the court, it's insane that this pseudo crime should come with a 500 million dollar fine.

00:23:26.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, a New York appellate court threw out a more than 500 million dollar penalty against President Trump and his business empire in a sharply splintered ruling that paves the way for further proceedings before the state's highest court.

00:23:36.000 The decision on Thursday from a five judge panel of the New York Appellate Division's First Department is a significant legal boost for Trump, freeing him for now from a massive penalty that caused him financial headaches last year.

00:23:46.000 Last year, Justice Peter Moulton wrote, quote, while harm certainly occurred, it was not the cataclysmic harm that can justify a nearly half billion dollar award to the state.

00:23:55.000 And again, it was a sort of bizarre award in the first place given the fact that the supposed crime was not committed against the state of New York.

00:24:02.000 It was a misread of the law.

00:24:04.000 Judge David Friedman said that the law that originally enabled Letitia James to sue President Trump was designed to protect consumers and the public marketplace from deception in consumer transactions.

00:24:14.000 It was not designed to protect lenders who were not the ones who were, no one was damaged for it was not designed to protect them from people fibbing to them with regard to the value of the collateral that they were putting up.

00:24:26.000 As the court says, AG James's suit turns section 6312 on its head.

00:24:31.000 The leniency with which the courts have construed the requirements for pleading and proving fraud under that section, a leniency that has been extended for the purposes of facilitating the use of the provision to prevent the exploitation of unsophisticated consumers, investors and small businesses is here being used by Attorney General Letitia James to apply section 6312 to a scenario to which that provision has never before been applied or even thought to apply.

00:24:53.000 Judge Moulton writing for the court said, Presiding Judge Renwick and I find the Supreme Court correctly found the defendants liable.

00:24:59.000 We agree with the Supreme Court that the Attorney General acted within her legal power.

00:25:02.000 We find the Supreme Court properly ruled on claims that are timely.

00:25:05.000 However, we would modify the remedy ordered by the Supreme Court.

00:25:08.000 While the injunctive relief ordered by the court is well-crafted to curb the defendant's business culture, the court's disgorgement order, which directs defendants to pay nearly half a billion dollars to the state of New York, is an excessive fine that violates the eighth amendment to the United States Constitution.

00:25:20.000 So the court didn't go as far as the dissenting judge David Friedman in pointing out that this whole case was a sham, but it did say, you gotta be kidding me.

00:25:28.000 500 million dollar fine.

00:25:30.000 Are you kidding me?

00:25:31.000 Are you kidding me?

00:25:32.000 So Letitia James issued a statement, quote, The First Department today affirmed the well-supported finding of the trial court.

00:25:37.000 Donald Trump, his company and two of his children are liable for fraud.

00:25:40.000 The court upheld the injunctive relief we won, limiting Donald Trump and the Trump organization's officers' ability to do business in New York.

00:25:46.000 It should not be lost to history.

00:25:48.000 Yet another court has ruled that the president violated the law and that our case has merit.

00:25:51.000 We'll seek to appeal to the court of appeals.

00:25:53.000 Okay.

00:25:53.000 So she's saying that the part of the decision saying that the actual filing wasn't illegal, that that is a vindication for her.

00:26:01.000 But I'm sorry if the thing that you were bragging about went away, namely a 500 billion dollar penalty, then you kind of lost.

00:26:08.000 And that's the point that President Trump was making over a truth social quote, total victory in the fake New York State Attorney General Letitia James case.

00:26:15.000 I greatly respect the fact that the court had the courage to throw out this unlawful and dis and disgraceful decision that was hurting businesses all over New York State.

00:26:21.000 Others were afraid to do business there.

00:26:23.000 The amount including interest and penalties was over 550 million dollars.

00:26:26.000 It was a political witch hunt in a business sense, like any one has ever seen before.

00:26:30.000 This was a case of election interference by the city and state, trying to show illegally that I did things that were wrong when in fact everything I did was absolutely correct and even perfect.

00:26:38.000 Every single dollar was thrown out.

00:26:40.000 Even the penalties imposed on us by the corrupt judge were the most overturned in history.

00:26:43.000 Arthur Engron.

00:26:44.000 I wasn't given a jury during the course of the trial, says President Trump, which lasted a long time, was not given one ruling in my favor by this political hack.

00:26:50.000 But worse than him, if that's possible, was Letitia James, a corrupt and incompetent Attorney General, who only brought this case in order to hurt me politically. 1.00

00:26:57.000 She's a Trump-dranged lunatic. 1.00

00:26:59.000 I mean, so far, you can't really argue.

00:27:01.000 They made me bond the outrageous sum, which never happened before and which cost me millions of dollars a month.

00:27:06.000 It should never have been allowed to happen.

00:27:07.000 And everyone knew it.

00:27:08.000 Importantly, that vote was five to zero.

00:27:10.000 I'm so honored by Justice David Friedman's great words of wisdom, which should be read by everyone.

00:27:14.000 I'd also like to thank the court for having the courage to make this decision, which is already going to go down as one of the worst business persecutions in the history of our country.

00:27:21.000 Sadly, there are other cases against me that are equally disgraceful.

00:27:24.000 And here he points out the judge Juan Marchan, whose daughter collected millions of dollars in fees from crooked Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, that presumably with regard to the ruling on E. Jean Carroll and the suggestion that that President Trump was liable for some form of assault.

00:27:38.000 And then he points out other judges that he doesn't like and all the rest.

00:27:41.000 But the bottom line is a big victory for Trump.

00:27:44.000 And every time you shoot at President Trump legally and you miss, it makes him stronger.

00:27:48.000 I think there's a solid case to be made that the turning point in the 2024 election wasn't even the assassination attempt or even Joe Biden dropping out.

00:27:54.000 It was the Mar a Lago raid.

00:27:55.000 That Mar a Lago raid really turned the entire election on its head because people rightly believe that Trump was being politically persecuted.

00:28:03.000 Eli Honig, who is the CNN legal analyst, certainly no ally of President Trump, he says this is clearly a big, big victory for Trump.

00:28:11.000 This is a huge victory for Donald Trump, any way you cut it.

00:28:14.000 And this is a stinging rebuke to the attorney General Letitia James.

00:28:18.000 The finding here, it's a very long, complicated ruling, but the bottom line is while the finding of liability against Donald Trump can stand for now at least, the damages award, which started at $350 million with interest gets up close to $500 million, that is thrown out.

00:28:35.000 And the core reason for that ruling, according to the judges, is essentially that there was not enough of a showing here that there were actual victims.

00:28:44.000 And of course, that is right.

00:28:46.000 That is correct.

00:28:47.000 Well, while all of that is going on, and one of the things that the President Trump is, is he punches back always, always, always, always.

00:28:54.000 And if you give him a tool, he's going to use it against you.

00:28:56.000 There's no question about this.

00:28:57.000 And so it is not a surprise, but I do not think it is a good thing that President Trump has now unleashed the FBI to raid the home of former Trump national security adviser, John Bolton, who's been, of course, quite critical of President Trump since he left working for his first administration.

00:29:12.000 Now, again, perhaps there will be material to justify the raid.

00:29:16.000 Maybe, maybe there will be.

00:29:17.000 And if there is, then obviously the raid was well founded.

00:29:20.000 If, however, this is basically the Mar-a-Lago raid, but against John Bolton that President Trump believes and the Trump administration believed that Trump was wrongly targeted by law enforcement.

00:29:30.000 Therefore, he's going to turn around.

00:29:31.000 He's going to target people who have been critical to him on TV.

00:29:34.000 That, of course, is a major problem.

00:29:35.000 Law enforcement should not be weaponized in this way by right or left.

00:29:38.000 According to the New York Post, FBI agents raided the DC area home of President Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, on Friday morning in a high profile national security probe.

00:29:47.000 Federal agents went to Bolton's house in Bethesda, Maryland from 7 a.m. in an investigation ordered by FBI director Cash Patel.

00:29:54.000 Cash Patel then put out a tweet saying, No one is above the law.

00:29:56.000 FBI agents on a mission.

00:29:59.000 The probe, which is said to involve classified documents, was first launched years ago.

00:30:02.000 The Biden administration shut it down for political reasons, according to a senior US official.

00:30:07.000 Bolton's ex account blast out a message at 7:32 a.m. criticizing Trump's approach to Russia's war on Ukraine as the FBI agents were inside his home.

00:30:15.000 It's unclear whether that post was originally scheduled.

00:30:18.000 That post said Russia has not changed its goal to drag Ukraine into a new Russian empire.

00:30:22.000 Moscow has demanded that Ukraine see territory it already holds and the remainder of Donetsk, which it has been unable to conquer.

00:30:27.000 Zelenskyy will never do so. 1.00

00:30:28.000 Meanwhile, meetings will continue because Trump wants a Nobel Peace Prize, but I don't see these talks making any progress.

00:30:33.000 Now Bolton was accused by the Trump administration, number one, of including classified information in his 2020 book called The Room Where It Happened.

00:30:41.000 President Trump had fought to quash the publication over the inclusion of national secrets, saying that Bolton had signed an NDA as a condition of employment.

00:30:49.000 Ultimately, he was unsuccessful and his own DOJ opened an inquiry into that book in September of 2020.

00:30:56.000 And then apparently the Biden administration, when they came in, they basically said enough of that.

00:31:01.000 This is one day after Cash Patel revealed that former FBI director James Comey had authorized leaks of classified documents while misleading Congress just before the 2016 elections.

00:31:09.000 Now, again, some of these investigations I would assume are going to be well predicated.

00:31:13.000 Some are not.

00:31:15.000 I will say that the can of worms opened by the Biden administration in repeatedly targeting President Trump legally, the can of worms opened by the Obama administration in Russia Gate going after the Trump campaign., it weighs far worse than what happened with Watergate.

00:31:30.000 That is open to can of worms.

00:31:32.000 It's very hard to get that can of worms closed again once it has been opened.

00:31:35.000 That does not mean that if this is not well founded, that if this is just a raid directed at political opponents, raids directed at political opponents are bad, point.

00:31:43.000 They are bad whether it's a Republican targeting enemies or whether it's a Democrat targeting enemies.

00:31:46.000 Now, I'm going to hold off judgment on whether that's happening right now because I don't know exactly what they are raiding yet.

00:31:52.000 It's possible that all this is well predicated.

00:31:54.000 We'll have to find out.

00:31:56.000 But at the very least, it is not out of the realm of possibility that what we're watching here is a reactivity by the Trump administration that will not redound to its benefit.

00:32:05.000 Political targeting is not something I think anyone in the country should be in favor of.

00:32:08.000 And again, we'll have to see whether that's what's happening here or whether it's not.

00:32:12.000 Well, one of the reasons I think that the Trump administration should not get itself enmeshed in anything that is questionable with regard to things like going after John Bolton, if there is nothing there.

00:32:21.000 And again, there may very well be something there.

00:32:22.000 I don't know.

00:32:23.000 If there is nothing there, it's a distraction.

00:32:25.000 This administration cannot afford distractions because again, the Democrats, they're going crazy right now and there is no reason to get in the way of your enemy hanging himself.

00:32:34.000 When your enemy is in the middle of hanging himself, the first thing to do is not interrupt.

00:32:37.000 And right now, Democrats seem to be going totally crazy.

00:32:40.000 Gavin Newsom over in the state of California signed a bunch of bills on Thursday, according to the Washington Post, aimed at redrawing California's Congress.

00:32:46.000 We are now destroying California's congressional maps as Democrats try to counter Republican driven efforts in Texas to remake its maps.

00:32:52.000 Gavin Newsom said they fired the first shot.

00:32:53.000 We wouldn't be here if Texas had not done what they did.

00:32:56.000 Well, I mean, still, by the way, the population of in California that is Republican is underrepresented to a greater degree than the population of Texas that is Democrat that is underrepresented congressionally speaking.

00:33:09.000 But this is all part and parcel of a broader left wing narrative that President Trump is Hitlerian, that we are living in nascent Nazi Germany and and all the rest.

00:33:18.000 JB Pritzker, who again has to be lowered into the Capitol building by Crane in Illinois, he says that America is now like Nazi Germany or increasingly like Nazi Germany?

00:33:29.000 I built a Holocaust Museum.

00:33:31.000 And one thing about that experience that I can tell you, and I worked with Holocaust survivors for more than a decade to build this museum.

00:33:40.000 One thing I learned in the process of that is that it doesn't take very long to tear apart a constitutional republic.

00:33:49.000 Indeed, the Nazis did it in 53 days. 0.88

00:33:52.000 And our democracy is almost as fragile.

00:33:59.000 And we're seeing it right that right now.

00:34:04.000 We're not even seeing anything remotely like that right now.

00:34:06.000 First of all, it's ignorant of German history.

00:34:08.000 The consolidation of extraordinary powers in the central government preceded Hitler. 0.70

00:34:12.000 Actually, it went back to Bruning and Hitler. 0.81

00:34:15.000 If you want to get more specific, the death of the Weimar Republic started years before Hitler actually took power, there was a gradual and then very, very quick erosion of the powers of the various principalities inside Germany.

00:34:27.000 Not to get too abstruse about German history here, but that that is just a bad historical analogy.

00:34:33.000 So here's the thing about redistricting and various states and how they work.

00:34:37.000 Districts, congressional districts can be drawn in a wide variety of ways.

00:34:40.000 And the imbalance is almost solely due to state legislatures that actually don't count the minority votes in a presidential election in a proportional way with their congressional seats.

00:34:49.000 This is not rare at all.

00:34:51.000 So I asked our friends and sponsors over a comment, please list the percentage of voters who voted for President Trump and the percentage of Republican congressional districts in the following states California, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Illinois, Delaware, and Maryland.

00:35:03.000 In California, about 38.33 percent of voters voted for President Trump in the last congressional cycle.

00:35:08.000 Only 21 percent of their districts, 11, are apparently Republican at this point in time.

00:35:14.000 Believe it's lower now.

00:35:15.000 I believe it's 9 in New York., 43% of voters voted for President Trump.

00:35:21.000 Only 31% of their districts are Republican.

00:35:24.000 In Connecticut, 42% of the vote went to President Trump.

00:35:27.000 0% of their districts of their five districts are Republican.

00:35:31.000 In New Jersey, 46% voted for Trump.

00:35:34.000 33% of the districts are Republican.

00:35:36.000 In Illinois, 44% voted for Trump.

00:35:38.000 18% of the districts are Republican.

00:35:41.000 Only three districts out of 17.

00:35:42.000 And in Delaware, 42% voted for President Trump.

00:35:47.000 Only zero districts are Republican.

00:35:49.000 There's one district.

00:35:49.000 It's totally Democratic, of course.

00:35:51.000 In Maryland, 34% voted for President Trump.

00:35:54.000 12.5% are Republican.

00:35:56.000 So again, this idea that gerrymandering is unique Texas thing.

00:36:00.000 How dare they?

00:36:01.000 How dare Texas? 1.00

00:36:02.000 Now, if you look at Texas, by the way, 42.4% of voters voted for Kamala Harris in Texas. 0.99

00:36:10.000 And about 30% of the districts are Democrat in Texas right now.

00:36:15.000 And after the adjustment, then that number will probably be about 25%, 23%, something like that.

00:36:21.000 Meanwhile, Texas State Representative Nicole Collier is comparing Democrats fleeing Texas to black people fleeing slavery and Jews fleeing Nazis, which I can give you a couple of examples why that's not right.

00:36:32.000 Number one, the Texas Democrats came back.

00:36:34.000 So slaves who were fleeingeing Nazis did not head back into Berlin.

00:36:43.000 So no on this.

00:36:45.000 Chairman, are you aware that during slavery blacks fled?

00:36:54.000 Are you aware that during the slavery times blacks fled?

00:36:57.000 They ran away.

00:36:58.000 I can't hear you very well.

00:37:00.000 Are you aware that when there was slavery times, blacks fled.

00:37:08.000 During the Nazi times, Jewish people fled.

00:37:11.000 They fled their oppressor.

00:37:13.000 Hmm.

00:37:15.000 Well, um, I mean, keep going with this, I suppose.

00:37:19.000 Yeah, Gavin Newsom wants to be the leader of the resistance.

00:37:21.000 He's out there saying that we have to all wake up, wake up, be intense with hand motions, hand motions and wide eyes.

00:37:26.000 Go, Gavin Newsom, go.

00:37:29.000 It's all at stake.

00:37:30.000 It's happening in real time.

00:37:32.000 People need to wake up, need to open their eyes.

00:37:35.000 He's rigging the 26 election before one vote is even cast.

00:37:39.000 He's going after redistricting, not just mid-decade, but he's also talking about who should be included in the next census.

00:37:46.000 Across the spectrum, these are acts of authoritarianism.

00:37:49.000 Oh, my God.

00:37:51.000 First of all, please clear your throat.

00:37:52.000 For the love of God, if I have to listen to years of Gavin Newsom down.

00:37:58.000 Seriously, dude, drink a cup of tea, grab a lozenge.

00:38:02.000 The verbal grind is just too much for me.

00:38:03.000 I can't.

00:38:04.000 I cannot.

00:38:06.000 But if this is the way the Democrats want to play it, I guess I suppose that they can.

00:38:10.000 And the Democrats are in fact going crazier and crazier.

00:38:13.000 There is a woman with a sign outside of a rally that was being held for Virginia for Virginia's lieutenant governor Winsome Sears, who is in fact black.

00:38:21.000 She's running for governor of Virginia right now. 1.00

00:38:24.000 And some crazy person held a sign outside her latest event saying, hey Winsome, if trans can't share your bathroom, then blacks can't. 1.00

00:38:33.000 share my water fountain.

00:38:35.000 So first of all, why are you threatening segregation?

00:38:38.000 That seems bad.

00:38:40.000 That seems kind of bad.

00:38:42.000 I'm not sure why one follows the other.

00:38:45.000 If, if men who believe they are women cannot enter women's bathrooms, then blacks should not be able to drink at your water fountain. 0.96

00:38:52.000 It feels to me like you really just don't want black people drinking at your water fountain, is what it kind of sounds like right there.

00:38:57.000 Well, joining me on the line is a young man named Matt Nuclear.

00:39:00.000 You may know him from a clip that I played on the show just the other day in which he was going against Amanda Seals on this kind of crazy show that I've done before on YouTube called Jubilee.

00:39:09.000 He was sitting ac opposite Mandiceals. 0.92

00:39:11.000 He made her look pretty foolish because he was saying things that were true and she legitimately had no response.

00:39:15.000 Matt happens to be eighteen years old.

00:39:18.000 It was very impressive.

00:39:19.000 Matt, thank you so much for taking the time.

00:39:20.000 Really appreciate it.

00:39:22.000 I I I am honored to be here, Ben.

00:39:24.000 I am honored to be here.

00:39:25.000 So first of all, I have to say, very impressive.

00:39:28.000 What did you know going into the Jubilee debate and how had you kind of prepared for the moment with Mandiceals?

00:39:35.000 Well, I've always been kind of interested in these conversations about black on black crime, gang violence, reparations and all these sorts of things that are a big topic, a big subject in the black community in general and in politics.

00:39:48.000 I kind of had my kind of arguments already, um, you know, worked out.

00:39:52.000 I already knew certain things that I wanted to go in there and say and make points of.

00:39:55.000 Um, and so I kind of went in with the flow with those types of, uh, arguments.

00:40:00.000 So you're eighteen, obviously, uh, you're black.

00:40:03.000 And so there are a lot of questions that I think people have, you know, when, when there's a racial or ethnic minority who votes Republican, and this is happening a lot now.

00:40:10.000 I mean, there's been a big movement in the black community, particularly among young men, towards the Republican Party, towards President Trump.

00:40:15.000 It's happening with Hispanic young men.

00:40:17.000 Obviously, I'm Jewish.

00:40:18.000 Even the Jewish vote has been moving towards the Republicans and President Trump.

00:40:21.000 You know, when this happens, people start asking the question, so what, what exactly is going on?

00:40:25.000 Right.

00:40:26.000 There's no generational difference between me and you.

00:40:28.000 I remember when I was the eighteen year old Fiona, I'm now forty one.

00:40:31.000 So tell me what exactly is happening among your peer group that is leading young men in particular and also young black men in particular to move toward President Trump?

00:40:40.000 I think just the truth.

00:40:41.000 I think going over data, going over the facts, understanding what is going on in America, understanding that the Democratic Party has been consistently lying to us in not giving us the truth on how to fix the issues within the black community.

00:40:53.000 I'm continuously telling us that it's external oppression that we can't find.

00:40:56.000 We can't find the laws that are systemically oppressing black people.

00:41:01.000 We elected a black president, right?

00:41:03.000 Barack Obama.

00:41:04.000 The majority of Americans that were white voted for him.

00:41:07.000 This country is not a majority racist country whatsoever.

00:41:11.000 So when we see all of those facts and we see these disparities that still exist, we have to say that there's some other reason for these disparities other than just discrimination, because this is kind of like a presupposition that I think the left has a lot of the time is which if you see disparities between these ethnic groups, there must be some sort of discrimination.

00:41:27.000 And so what I really wanted to ask her as well, what I did mention the median household income of East Asians, I wanted to ask her, are the East Asians oppressing the white people?

00:41:33.000 Is that how they make more?

00:41:34.000 Like, because that's the kind of thing.

00:41:36.000 They make more.

00:41:37.000 Or if you make less or whatever, you must be getting suppressed or oppressed or something like that, which I don't just buy into, right?

00:41:44.000 So, I mean, that attitude, I think, obviously is a better attitude for the country generally.

00:41:48.000 I think one of the worst things that's been happening, I do think it's happening on the left predominantly, but you're even seeing hints of it on the right are this sort of victim mentality where America is an oppressor country and it's somehow oppressing your particular identity group and therefore nobody can get ahead in America.

00:42:02.000 It seems like more and more young people are rejecting that message, particularly young men, because the alternative is really, really enervating.

00:42:08.000 It's basically saying to young people, no matter what you do, no matter how hard you work, you can't get ahead because there's some sort of shadowy conspiratorial force that is keeping you down.

00:42:16.000 And what that shadowy conspiratorial force is may differ from sort of the left, broadly speaking, and a small segment of the right.

00:42:24.000 But that it is a very enervating feeling for people.

00:42:26.000 I think young people are rebelling against that.

00:42:29.000 No, yeah, for sure.

00:42:30.000 I think young people are rebelling against it.

00:42:32.000 I think they should be rebelling against it because you can only hold up that lie for so long.

00:42:35.000 You can only tell black Americans that the reason why they make less than white people or Hispanic people is because of the historical injustices for so long.

00:42:43.000 I did mention to her as well that Chinese people went through the Rock Spring massacre in Wyoming in, I believe, was it 1861?

00:42:51.000 They went through the Chinese Exclusion Act.

00:42:53.000 They were only able to gain citizenship here in the country in 1943, yet they make the most amount of money, median household income.

00:42:59.000 They don't commit a significant level of crime at all.

00:43:01.000 Right?

00:43:01.000 So I group actions and in group priorities, I also wanted to mention her gang crime.

00:43:06.000 I mentioned her a prominent rapper who gained hundreds of millions of views talking about unaliving other black men.

00:43:12.000 The BLM didn't come out for that.

00:43:13.000 I mentioned KTS3, he was a black man who was unalived by other black men.

00:43:18.000 No BLM came out for that.

00:43:19.000 BLM relies on this narrative of white oppressor versus black slash brown victim. 0.99

00:43:25.000 If that doesn't happen, then they don't come out.

00:43:27.000 And they like to play this game where like, oh, it's only if cops do it.

00:43:30.000 Well, Daniel Penney, when he, you know, unalived what's called Jordan Ely at the subway train where other people felt threatened, they called the cops as well and people helped him.

00:43:38.000 BLM New York came out for that as well.

00:43:41.000 And they were threatening white people, saying, you know, we need to protect ourselves from these weird white people.

00:43:45.000 We just want to come attack us.

00:43:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:48.000 So yeah, I think this victim narrative is going to fade away.

00:43:50.000 And of course, how she presented herself or responded to the arguments shows that she really doesn't know how to respond to these arguments.

00:43:57.000 And she's really not answering the questions we want to ask.

00:43:59.000 So Matt, you're 18 years old.

00:44:00.000 What do you do next?

00:44:01.000 I mean, are you planning on going to college?

00:44:03.000 If so, where?

00:44:04.000 What's the story?

00:44:06.000 Yeah, I am thinking about going to college for sure.

00:44:09.000 I've not truly made up my mind around that.

00:44:12.000 But I have been, you know, doing these podcasts ever since this You Believe video released.

00:44:16.000 I'm getting more and more into politics.

00:44:18.000 I've been debating really for about three years.

00:44:21.000 Like, I've had these discussions online with people for a decent amount of time, but I've only recently in the last, I believe, six months been doing TikTok debates where I have people come up and just debate me on like subjects like Israel and Palestine and a lot of these different subjects on the person who's very interested in politics.

00:44:36.000 And yeah, I'm just interested in politics and just trying to get into the political sphere.

00:44:40.000 I think one of the things that's changed for people of your generation as opposed to people of my generation, when I was growing up, there still was, although the internet was starting to blossom, a sort of legacy media domination that has totally ended.

00:44:51.000 What is your typical news diet?

00:44:53.000 How do you gather information?

00:44:55.000 Well, I gather information by looking at all of the different sources online.

00:44:58.000 I don't just look at one.

00:44:59.000 If I'm looking at Reuters, I'll look at NPR, I'll look at AP News, I'll look at everyone and what they're saying.

00:45:04.000 And it's not even just a source, it's what is the evidence for that source, which is also important.

00:45:09.000 What is the primary information, what is the primary data that we can gather and we can look at?

00:45:14.000 And I think this is what individuals should be focused on, is understanding the facts, not just reading headlines, but reading past the headlines, getting into the context and actually making their opinion, because I believe the majority of Americans don't really get that deep into understanding what goes on.

00:45:28.000 The majority of Americans don't know the three branches of government and so many of these different things.

00:45:32.000 So I think getting more involved and understanding context, understanding what is going on.

00:45:39.000 and primary sources is a good way to go about research.

00:45:42.000 So meanwhile, I saw that you got into a bit of a tet-a-tet with Rob Smith, who attacked you for the great crime of apparently your parents are from Angola, you grew up in Maine.

00:45:52.000 Apparently, this means that your opinions are somehow not as relevant as a black American because you're of African extraction more recently. 0.90

00:45:59.000 So what did you make of the criticism?

00:46:01.000 Well, I thought it was pretty humorous.

00:46:02.000 I thought it was pretty silly.

00:46:03.000 I don't, I mean, I did used to watch, you know, Rob Smith as well.

00:46:06.000 I thought he was a decent, you know, black Republican I used to look up to.

00:46:10.000 But yeah, I didn't understand the attack.

00:46:11.000 Like I was, I started, you know, I moved here when I was six years old and I was raised here.

00:46:16.000 I've been here since I was six years old.

00:46:18.000 I don't think my experience has been that much different from other black Americans because I was, you know, born in a state that is 90% white.

00:46:25.000 And is that supposed to be a crime?

00:46:26.000 I don't know why he why he mentioned that I was raised in Maine as if that's supposed to be a crime.

00:46:31.000 Was I supposed to be raised in the south side of Chicago where there's a lot of gang crime because I happen to be black?

00:46:35.000 Is that like the the thing here that he's trying to mention?

00:46:38.000 Where was he raised?

00:46:39.000 So it's I think it's pretty silly.

00:46:41.000 I don't I don't I didn't like that.

00:46:43.000 It kind of disappointed me a little bit that he said that, but yeah, it's just humorous.

00:46:46.000 I think.

00:46:46.000 Well, that is Matt Nuclear.

00:46:48.000 You can go check out all of his work on X at Matt Nuclear.

00:46:51.000 It's MAT one T nuclear.

00:46:53.000 Go check it out right now.

00:46:54.000 Again, I'm really impressed.

00:46:55.000 I wouldn't have brought you on the show.

00:46:56.000 It's pretty rare that I bring on someone of your age range on the show at all, Matt.

00:47:00.000 So, you know, again, well done.

00:47:02.000 I am so honored.

00:47:03.000 I have to tell you, I am a big fan of you, Ben.

00:47:05.000 I've been watching you for a very long time.

00:47:07.000 I've always been a fan of your debates and the way that you articulate yourself.

00:47:10.000 I believe you're the greatest political commentator we've seen in the last ten years, especially a conservative one.

00:47:15.000 So I applaud you so much for bringing me on your show and I am very much honored.

00:47:20.000 That's very kind of you.

00:47:21.000 Thank you.

00:47:22.000 But again, the insanity of the left knows very few boundaries and it is now extending to full scale speculation about President Trump's health.

00:47:30.000 Lawrence O'Donnell, the long forgotten.

00:47:33.000 man over at MSNBC.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, he still has a show over there, believe it or not.

00:47:36.000 Lawrence O'Donnell, who is beginning to, I have to say, he looks more and more like a character from one of the Lego movies.

00:47:44.000 Like he just, in terms of head shape and all this.

00:47:46.000 Anyway, he says that there is a gigantic Trump health cover-up that is happening before our eyes.

00:47:54.000 Donald Trump did nothing today.

00:47:57.000 He wasn't publicly seen anywhere today.

00:48:02.000 Perhaps because his 79-year-old swollen ankles are bothering him, or maybe he just couldn't really walk or stand up very long today, something like that.

00:48:13.000 Who knows?

00:48:14.000 We don't know.

00:48:15.000 Maybe he couldn't speak coherently today.

00:48:17.000 Maybe it was one of those days.

00:48:18.000 Actually, we do know about that.

00:48:20.000 Donald Trump has never had a single day in his life as a politician when he could speak coherently about anything.

00:48:26.000 That is a cognitive test that Donald Trump began publicly failing 14 years ago at age 65 in 2011 when he started lying about President Obama's birth certificate.

00:48:36.000 So I'm noticing your attempts to sort of launder the Biden actuality into a narrative about Trump is going to fail, particularly because we just keep finding out more details like the fact that apparently everybody who is close to President Biden was not all that close.

00:48:51.000 Like they kept him at arm's length because he was senile in the backroom drooling into a cup.

00:48:55.000 Apparently, according to Representative James Comer, who runs the House Oversight Committee, Ian Sams, who is a supposed close advisor to President Biden and who vouched for his health many, many times, apparently he only met Joe Biden in person two times during his entire presidency.

00:49:12.000 Ian Sams, who was the White House spokesperson.

00:49:18.000 For a significant amount of Joe Biden's time as president interacted with him two times.

00:49:25.000 Two times.

00:49:27.000 So, you know, we're going to continue to bring people in.

00:49:32.000 And again, this person, Ian Sams, is the one that would counter everything.

00:49:38.000 Robert Herr, or anytime anyone would suggest that Joe Biden wasn't mentally fit, he would say, no, he's at the top of his game.

00:49:45.000 He tweeted out several times.

00:49:46.000 He gave interviews on MSNBC.

00:49:48.000 Every time I've interacted with the president, he was sharp.

00:49:51.000 He asked great questions.

00:49:53.000 In there, under oath, he interacted with the president two times the entire time.

00:49:59.000 Yeah, well, that's not a good look at all.

00:50:01.000 It's Representative James Comer from Kentucky.

00:50:04.000 So again, Democrats are in real trouble.

00:50:06.000 So what could save them, as always has always, the possibility of an economic downturn.

00:50:09.000 I can keep saying this until I go blue in the face.

00:50:12.000 Bad economic policy does have downstream ramifications.

00:50:15.000 I understand that a lot of people are currently trying to talk themselves into the proposition that a radical increase, a radical escalation in tariff activities will have no impact whatsoever.

00:50:24.000 I have yet to see a situation where a radical escalation in tariff policy did not have downstream effects.

00:50:31.000 Now, maybe this will be the exception.

00:50:34.000 Maybe somehow because of all the various cross current investment in AI and the interest rates possibly being lowered by the Fed, maybe it turns out that this is the exception.

00:50:44.000 But it's an awful risk, Vader.

00:50:48.000 Right now, the United States is about to dump a 50% tariff on India.

00:50:54.000 Now, to be fair, we actually the amount of product trade with India is somewhat limited.

00:50:59.000 According to the New York Times, there's about $46 billion that we have as a deficit in goods that we ran with Indian companies in 2024.

00:51:09.000 Most of the stuff that we do with India at this point is in the services industry.

00:51:12.000 Presumably that will not be hit by tariffs at this point, at least not yet.

00:51:16.000 And that is the great fear is that eventually these tariffs move over to the services industry.

00:51:20.000 But if you are seeking to box in China and you want to make the iPhone somewhere else, it's not going to get made in the United States.

00:51:26.000 It was going to be made in India, but if you tariff everything coming in from India at 50%, it won't get made there either.

00:51:32.000 And you're going to raise the prices on American consumers.

00:51:34.000 Here is Peter Navarro, the president's trade advisor, who again is just, oh, yeah, yeah, not good, not good at all, talking about the magic of tariffs on India.

00:51:45.000 The doubling of tariffs at 50% is supposed to take place August 27, just six days from now.

00:51:50.000 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 You see that taking place?

00:51:52.000 I see that taking place.

00:51:53.000 India doesn't appear to want to recognize its role in the blockade.

00:52:02.000 The bloodshed, it simply doesn't.

00:52:04.000 Okay, now let's be clear about this.

00:52:06.000 Navarro would be in favor of these tariffs whether or not India were buying oil from Russia.

00:52:10.000 And it makes very little sense to me to go after India with regard to Russian oil, unless we're going to offer them carrots like American LNG on the other end of that.

00:52:19.000 What we really ought to be doing is using our massive advantage in natural resources in order to undercut the Russian market. 0.98

00:52:25.000 Even if that causes a loss to us, we should be doing that because getting the world off the addiction to Russian oil would be excellent. 0.93

00:52:33.000 That would be excellent foreign policy.

00:52:34.000 That is a better move than effectively alienating the Indians who right now are or could at least be a bulwark against Chinese predaceans. 0.98

00:52:45.000 Again, things are very complicated.

00:52:48.000 China happens to be pretty close to Pakistan.

00:52:50.000 We fund Pakistan.

00:52:51.000 We happen to have some counter terrorism operations with Pakistan.

00:52:54.000 Pakistan is a fairly radical state to say the very least.

00:52:57.000 We also have a relationship with India.

00:52:58.000 And so there are a lot of sort of trilateral arrangements happening in that area of the world.

00:53:02.000 But alienating India doesn't seem like smart foreign policy to me.

00:53:06.000 Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has pledged to protect his domestic producers no matter the cost.

00:53:11.000 Apparently, according to the Council on Foreign Relations, President Trump tends to approach issues with other countries primarily with a bilateral focus and largely in the context of a particular set of concerns.

00:53:22.000 He is concerned about India's high barriers to trade and the significant US trade deficit with India.

00:53:28.000 So what exactly is going to happen here?

00:53:30.000 Well, it's possible that he reacts back down.

00:53:33.000 The reaction in India apparently has been multifaceted initially because the government of India felt the parties were close to announcing a trade deal.

00:53:39.000 The reaction was one of surprise.

00:53:40.000 There were additional issues to address.

00:53:43.000 More recently, when the president announced the threatened imposition of a 25% additional tariff on august 27, India's Ministry of External Affairs called it unfair, unjustified and unreasonable and asserted that India will take all necessary steps to protect its own national interests.

00:53:58.000 But the United States is India's largest and most important trading partner.

00:54:01.000 So maybe we can leverage them.

00:54:03.000 With that said, can there be a win-win here?

00:54:05.000 A win-win would be better than simply leveraging India at this point because India is a growing economy.

00:54:10.000 India is the most populous nation on Earth.

00:54:12.000 India is or could be a bulwark against China as well as against Islamic fascism.

00:54:18.000 Now wooing India with carrots rather than sticks if possible seems to me a better policy. 1.00

00:54:24.000 Now, meanwhile, apparently, Boeing is in talks to sell China hundreds of planes as part of a US trade deal.

00:54:30.000 This according to the Wall Street Journal, US passenger jet orders are becoming a favorite concession for countries looking to improve tariff terms from American authorities and this sort of trade corporatism.

00:54:40.000 Again, this is just mercantilism.

00:54:42.000 I'm not a huge fan.

00:54:44.000 And it seems to me that selling, you know, high-tech airplanes to China, I'm not sure why we are doing that.

00:54:51.000 If we wish to box them in, then we should just box them in.

00:54:54.000 That should be the move that we are attempting.

00:54:56.000 And the reason all of this matters, of course, is because on the other end of any sort of economic downturn stands the Democratic Party of Zoran Mamdani.

00:55:03.000 And believe you me, the...

00:55:07.000 And again, I don't think everything they're doing is corporatist.

00:55:10.000 A lot is free market oriented, but the part that is corporatist is going to be trumped by the full scale socialist slash communistic policies of the Democratic Party moving in Zorin Mamdani's direction.

00:55:21.000 Zorin Mamdani spent this week trying to rail at hotel workers for refusing to use union labor.

00:55:30.000 When they reopened this hotel last October, they did it without the union workers.

00:55:37.000 And we know what that is.

00:55:38.000 It's two words.

00:55:40.000 Union busting.

00:55:42.000 And it may go unnoticed in another city, but this city right here is a union town.

00:55:51.000 I don't care if you bring a garbage truck to drown ourselves.

00:55:56.000 You will still hear our calls no matter what floor of this hotel you are on.

00:56:02.000 Shame on Missouri. 1.00

00:56:05.000 Let every worker come back to continue to serve this hotel in the ways they did for years.

00:56:12.000 Okay, so good luck to New Yorkers and good luck to the United States.

00:56:15.000 If there's an economic downturn, it's going to be this guy's party that rises, which is indeed.

00:56:20.000 quite scary.

00:56:20.000 Well, one of the other things that could cause the Democratic Party to rise is just generalized Republican stupidity.

00:56:25.000 So there has always been a problem with the Republican Party.

00:56:29.000 There has been a belief among traditional conservativesives that the Democratic Party could be termed in many cases the evil party and the Republican Party could be termed the stupid party.

00:56:39.000 And the problem is that when you say dumb things and when you elevate dumb people, what you end up doing is creating fodder for your opposition.

00:56:46.000 What the American people want is a policy moderation that is incrementalist in its implementation from the federal level.

00:56:53.000 They may want to be more conservative on their state level or local level.

00:56:56.000 Or maybe you're in California and you want to be a lib, but on a federal level, what Americans really want is predictability, stability, incrementalism.

00:57:04.000 That is the thing generally that they want.

00:57:06.000 Now, there may be some serious moves that have to be made.

00:57:09.000 The Trump administration is making them to reverse decades of actual radicalism by the Democratic Party.

00:57:15.000 But what nobody wants, you can see this in the Democratic Party, what people do not want is wild insanity.

00:57:22.000 The Democratic Party was damaged by the trans issue because they took a full scale insane position, a full scale insane position, which is that boys can be girls, and everyone looked at that, moderates, even some Democrats, and said, Anyone who says that is crazy, association with that position is nuts.

00:57:37.000 And so we're not going to do that.

00:57:38.000 We're just not interested in anything of that.

00:57:40.000 Well, the same thing can be true on the Republican side of the aisle.

00:57:44.000 If Republicans elevat figures who are in fact unintelligent, who say crazy things who make claims that are untrue on a repeated basis.

00:57:51.000 If they do that, there will be a reaction to that by the general body politics, which is why we have started here at the Ben Shapiro Show something that we are calling the Billy Madison Award.

00:58:01.000 It doesn't apply just to people on the right.

00:58:03.000 We're going to be using this repeatedly.

00:58:04.000 The Billy Madison Award goes to politicians, political figures, commentators who say some of the most insanely idiotic things that we have ever heard, in which at no point in their rambling incoherent responses were they even close to anything that could have been considered irrational thought.

00:58:22.000 Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

00:58:27.000 The Billy Madison Award is designed So that you can know, the audience can know, everyone can see that there are certain people who might not actually be worth listening to because they say dumb things on the regular.

00:58:41.000 They say unintelligent things on the regular, uninformed things.

00:58:44.000 And when those things are promoted as sort of factually based or intelligent, then the world gets dumber as a result.

00:58:52.000 Well, today's inaugural Billy Madison Award goes to Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.

00:58:58.000 Now, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene originally became famous because she said a bunch of dumb crap and Democrats decided that they were going to target her specifically for this. 0.96

00:59:06.000 And because we live in an incredibly reactionary political moment.

00:59:10.000 The right immediately said, well, if the Democrats hate her, then she must be awesome. 1.00

00:59:14.000 And it turns out that two things can be true at once.

00:59:16.000 One, the Democrats hate her.

00:59:19.000 And two, she's not particularly bright.

00:59:23.000 And not only is she not particularly bright, she is wildly disinformed at best.

00:59:27.000 I'm not going to go to motivations or why she says what she says.

00:59:30.000 All I'm going to point out is that if you use Marjorie Taylor Greene as your source of verifiable or verified information, that is a category error.

00:59:38.000 This is not a person who is reliable when it comes to the fact.

00:59:42.000 And let's just say that many of her political positions are at best disinformed.

00:59:47.000 And so when people treat her with a great deal of seriousness, I'm just wondering why, like truly why, to understand what I mean by this.

00:59:57.000 And she's appeared, I know, in a number of podcasts, including people with whom I'm, I'm friends.

01:00:02.000 I'm just going to say that, you know, taking her at face value, you would not allow this person to be your child's fifth grade social studies teacher.

01:00:12.000 You wouldn't because at least if you want your kid no social studies or history or anything.

01:00:20.000 Just a few brief indicators before we get into why she's being named the inaugural Billy Madison Award Award winner this week.

01:00:27.000 You will recall that she is a person who literally did not know the difference between the Gestapo meaning like the German secret police and gazpacho, like the cold vegetable soup often served in Spain and Portugal during the summer months.

01:00:42.000 This is from 2022.

01:00:44.000 This is the person who we are supposed to believe is a leading light.

01:00:47.000 By the way, a massive critic of President Trump.

01:00:50.000 It should be noted that she is constantly attempting to claim her loyalty to President Trump.

01:00:53.000 She spent nothing but the last six months basically ripping on many of Trump's policy moves ranging from the bombing of Iran to Epstein.

01:01:02.000 Anyway, here she was in 2022 talking about, you know, Nazi soup or something.

01:01:08.000 Not only do we have the DC jail, which is the DC gulag, but now we have Nancy Pelosi's Gazpacho police spying on members of Congress, spying on the legislative work that we do, spying on our staff and spying on American citizens that want to come talk to their representatives.

01:01:25.000 I'm only pointing that out because this is the kind of error that she makes fairly routinely.

01:01:29.000 And that says something.

01:01:31.000 I mean, first of all, Gazpacho police, do they provide the gazpacho or do they take away the gazpacho?

01:01:35.000 Nobody actually really knows.

01:01:37.000 And of course, she has a long history of foolish commentary ranging from 2018 where she made a wide variety.

01:01:42.000 This is before she was in Congress.

01:01:43.000 Of course, she's been in Congress since 2021 where she has co-sponsored zero pieces of actual legislation that have passed zero.

01:01:50.000 So very useful.

01:01:51.000 And, um, and you know, her commentary includes things like in 2018.

01:01:56.000 Sort of bizarre notions about Jewish space lasers and such in which she said, quote, as there are now over seventy people confirmed dead and over one thousand missing.

01:02:06.000 The fires in California are a horrific tragedy.

01:02:09.000 I'm praying for all involved.

01:02:12.000 And, um, then she goes on a long rant about various solar projects.

01:02:17.000 And she says.

01:02:19.000 At some point, I'm posting this in speculation because there are too many coincidences to ignore and just putting it out there from some research I've done stemming from my curiosity over PG and E stocks, which tanked all week, then rallied Thursday night after California officials announced they would not let PG and E fail.

01:02:33.000 I find it very interesting.

01:02:34.000 Roger Kimmel on the board of directors of PG and E is also vice chairman of Rothschild Inc., international investment banking firm.

01:02:42.000 I also find interesting the long history of financial contributions PG and E has made to Jerry Brown over the years.

01:02:47.000 It must be a coincidence that the fires are burning in the same projected area that the 77 billion dollar high-speed rail project is to be built, which happens to be Governor Brown's pet project.

01:02:57.000 And then she says, the idea is clean energy to replace coal and oil.

01:03:00.000 If they are beaming the sun's energy back to Earth, I'm sure they would never miss a transmitter, receiving station, right?

01:03:05.000 I mean, mistakes are never made when anything new is invented.

01:03:07.000 What would that look like anyway?

01:03:08.000 A laser beam or light beam coming down to Earth, I guess.

01:03:11.000 Could that cause a fire?

01:03:13.000 Hmm, I don't know.

01:03:16.000 So, um, yeah, solid take there.

01:03:19.000 Obviously, that one was pretty famous, the Jewish space laser stuff. 0.66

01:03:22.000 Of course, she was a backer of QAnon conspiracy theories.

01:03:25.000 She has made comments about 911 truthing.

01:03:29.000 That is not a gigantic shock, of course.

01:03:32.000 Here she was in 2018 at the American Priority Conference.

01:03:36.000 But we had witnessed 911, right?

01:03:39.000 We had witnessed 911, the terrorist attack in New York and the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania and the so-called plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

01:03:50.000 It's odd.

01:03:50.000 There's never any evidence shown for a plane in the Pentagon.

01:03:53.000 But anyways, I won't, I'm not going to dive into the 911 conspiracy.

01:03:57.000 Okay.

01:03:57.000 So this is a very highly respected person.

01:03:59.000 She has also suggested that school shootings have been false flags for gun control.

01:04:03.000 She said this in 2018.

01:04:07.000 And of course, in 2022, she spoke at an event with Nick Fuentes at AFPAC, the American First PAC, which is of course a white nationalist group.

01:04:17.000 And then she suggested just a few months ago, actually, that Israel assassinated JFK.

01:04:24.000 So that's who we're talking about here.

01:04:25.000 Now, the reason this comes up is because she was on Megan Kelly show.

01:04:27.000 Again, I think Megan's great.

01:04:29.000 Megan is a tremendous broadcaster.

01:04:31.000 She made a bunch of comments in Marjorie Taylor Greene that are truly ridiculous and they sort of went unchallenged, but they ought to be called out because they're quite stupid.

01:04:40.000 And I make this point because, again, she's getting an awful lot of attention recently.

01:04:44.000 And we should just point out when Billy Madison like politicians are making the rounds.

01:04:48.000 So here she was claiming that in America it is illegal to burn an American flag, which is not only untrue, it is ridiculously untrue.

01:04:55.000 In fact, you can burn an American flag, you can burn Israeli flag, you can burn Mexican flag, you can burn any flag you want in the United States.

01:05:01.000 What you can't actually do, and the thing that she is apparently referring to, is a judgment from Washington, DC, in which someone tried to strangle someone using an Israeli flag, which is illegal because you can't strangle people.

01:05:14.000 That's it, but but here she was saying silly things.

01:05:17.000 Just like the same exception that Israel has that this just came from Judge McFadden.

01:05:22.000 He just had a ruling that you can burn any flag in the United States of America, including our own American flag, except you can't burn the Israeli flag of America.

01:05:32.000 Who said that?

01:05:33.000 Judge McFadden.

01:05:34.000 In what context?

01:05:35.000 In his court.

01:05:36.000 It just happened.

01:05:37.000 Well, that's not going to be upheld.

01:05:38.000 It shouldn't be.

01:05:39.000 That's a violation of the First Amendment, blatant, and it will be struck down as soon as it goes up in appeal.

01:05:43.000 What a ridiculous notion.

01:05:45.000 Should be.

01:05:46.000 He said, and what he wrote is that the Israeli flag, it's an identity erase, and it would be a heavy crime.

01:05:55.000 Wrong.

01:05:55.000 Yes.

01:05:56.000 Wrong.

01:05:56.000 That's getting struck down.

01:05:57.000 Okay, so that's not what the judge said.

01:05:58.000 What the judge actually said is that if you purposely tank an Israeli flag around a Jewish person's neck, that that is indeed a evidence of discrimination.

01:06:07.000 Now, you can make the claim that judge is wrong and overstepping, that's fine.

01:06:11.000 But the claim that it is somehow weirdly illegal to burn an Israeli flag in the United States is not true.

01:06:15.000 By the way, I'm in favor of a flag burning amendment, but only about the American flag.

01:06:19.000 I think you should not be allowed to burn an American flag in the United States.

01:06:21.000 I think it's ridiculous.

01:06:22.000 So she claims that APAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, controls Congress.

01:06:25.000 This claim is frequently made by people who have conspiratorial feelings about shadowy figures influencing the American Congress.

01:06:32.000 It can't be that many Republicans just are pro-Israel.

01:06:35.000 It has to be that Jew money. 1.00

01:06:36.000 It has to be that APAC money that's making it happen.

01:06:40.000 So we have tons of lobbyists and that foreign countries lobbyists that come to Washington, DC.

01:06:47.000 Pretty much every country has.

01:06:49.000 some sort of representative.

01:06:50.000 They have an ambassador they send to Washington.

01:06:52.000 It's naturally in their interest.

01:06:54.000 We can understand that.

01:06:56.000 They also are required to register under FARA.

01:06:59.000 It's a law.

01:07:00.000 They have to register as a foreign agent, a foreign lobbyist.

01:07:03.000 That is required.

01:07:04.000 It's extremely important.

01:07:07.000 Here's the difference with APAC.

01:07:09.000 APAC is not registered under FARA, under this law that requires anyone coming to lobby a member of Congress or a senator or department of the government and the federal government on behalf of another country.

01:07:25.000 So APAC argues, oh, but we're Americans.

01:07:29.000 Yes, they are Americans, but they are coming to Congress and to the federal government asking on behalf of the country of Israel.

01:07:39.000 Okay, first of all, that is not remotely true, actually.

01:07:42.000 That is just factually false.

01:07:43.000 So whatever you think of APAC, and I've had many criticisms of APAC, including the fact that APAC in 2015, as a good rebuttal to everything she just said, in 2015, APAC had the opportunity to push against the Obama nuclear deal.

01:07:55.000 And because they wanted to maintain friendly relations with the Democrats, they basically didn't.

01:07:59.000 And by the way, Israel was very much opposed to the Iran nuclear deal at the time.

01:08:02.000 So, by the way, is President Donald J. Trump.

01:08:05.000 She, of course, has been very antagonistic toward President Trump.

01:08:09.000 and his approach to Iran.

01:08:11.000 APAC is an American funded group, meaning it's all American, meaning people who have an interest in American-Israeli relations sometimes give money to APAC.

01:08:19.000 Full disclosure, I've never given money to APAC.

01:08:21.000 I've never received money from APAC, contrary to a bunch of lies out there from, you know, people who like to claim that every Jew is somehow in the pay of APAC.

01:08:29.000 APAC is actually historically a relatively ineffectual organization with a moderate size budget.

01:08:34.000 By this, I mean that they are ranked in American political terms in terms of lobbying groups, 199th in America in terms of the size of the lobbying group.

01:08:44.000 They're fully funded by Americans to the tune of about fifty million dollars.

01:08:48.000 And there are other foreign interest lobbies, lobbies meaning, you know, other lobbies funded by Americans, seeking better relations with foreign nations, like for example the US India Business Council, which is funded to the tune of over two hundred million dollars a year, or the US Saudi councils, which represent hundreds of millions of dollars, or UK US parliamentary groups.

01:09:07.000 Hey, by the way, worth noting that when it comes to quote unquote foreign lobbying money, Israel barely charts.

01:09:15.000 China has spent since 2016, 460 million dollars on lobbying in the United States.

01:09:22.000 Japan has spent 410 million dollars.

01:09:24.000 Liberia has spent 353 million dollars.

01:09:26.000 This according to Open Secrets.

01:09:28.000 South Korea has spent 320 million dollars.

01:09:30.000 Saudi Arabia has spent 310 million dollars.

01:09:32.000 Qatar has spent 256 million dollars.

01:09:35.000 The Marshall Islands has spent 286 million dollars.

01:09:38.000 The AAE has spent 242 million dollars.

01:09:40.000 APAC's total lobbying spend since 2016 is 134 million dollars, and they are domestically based.

01:09:46.000 And then, of course, she claimed that people are being paid for visits to Israel.

01:09:50.000 Oh, no, people are being paid.

01:09:51.000 Okay, so first of all, untrue.

01:09:53.000 Congress people all the time go on foreign junkets.

01:09:56.000 It is a thing.

01:09:58.000 In fact, Congress people just went on for a congressional delegation to visit Iraq, Bahrain, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates in April of 2025.

01:10:08.000 Senator Joni Ernst and Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz traveled to the United Arab Emirates that same month.

01:10:13.000 Representative Stacey Plaskett visited Qatar in 2022.

01:10:16.000 It's very, very common.

01:10:18.000 But apparently it's some sort of nefarious payment buy off, what that people are going to flip their position on Israel because they got a plane trip to Israel.

01:10:27.000 Strange.

01:10:29.000 APAC takes every single that they can freshman member of Congress or first year in Congress, they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August.

01:10:39.000 That's our August is our recess.

01:10:41.000 It's our month-long district work period.

01:10:44.000 Is it the Dems and Republicans or just Republicans?

01:10:46.000 They take both of them.

01:10:47.000 Yes.

01:10:48.000 And they invite pretty much everyone, to my knowledge.

01:10:52.000 So they take them on this trip to Israel.

01:10:54.000 They I guess they go on tours.

01:10:56.000 I'll run.

01:10:57.000 I didn't go, so I don't know what they do there, but they take them on tours.

01:11:01.000 Like the pictures we've seen recently of the Speaker and other members of Congress at the Wailing Wall.

01:11:07.000 They've all gone.

01:11:08.000 They've all gone.

01:11:10.000 And they wear the kippa.

01:11:13.000 And even though they're Christians, they're not, they're not Jewish attire and they're at these Jewish religious sites. 0.75

01:11:23.000 Then they also meet with different members of the Israeli government.

01:11:27.000 Now we got to recognize the Israeli government is secular.

01:11:31.000 This is not the biblical Israel.

01:11:33.000 It is the secular government of Israel.

01:11:36.000 And so they meet with their members of, you know, all throughout their government and the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, meets with them.

01:11:44.000 And so they've done that trip already this month.

01:11:47.000 Oh my goodness.

01:11:48.000 You mean that people go on a trip to a foreign country and they meet with the foreign leader there?

01:11:52.000 Why, that's shocking, except that that happens all the time.

01:11:54.000 As far as this notion, okay, can I speak to this?

01:11:57.000 notion that everybody who goes to the Western Wall has to wear a kipa?

01:11:59.000 First of all, it's dumb.

01:12:00.000 If you're not Jewish, don't wear a kipa. 1.00

01:12:02.000 Like you just shouldn't.

01:12:03.000 It's like, I think it's a really, really dumb thing.

01:12:05.000 However, I should point out here that there are many holy sites all around the world where when people visit, they wear particular attire.

01:12:11.000 Now, the kipa is not mandated.

01:12:13.000 It isn't.

01:12:14.000 But when, when you go to the Golden Temple in India, people are supposed to wear modest attire.

01:12:19.000 If you're going to a mosque, you're supposed to wear modest attire.

01:12:23.000 When you go to the Vatican, you're supposed to wear modest attire.

01:12:26.000 Right?

01:12:26.000 This, this bizarre idea that if you go to Israel and then you go visit the Western Wall, no one is making these politicians wear a yamaka, by the way.

01:12:34.000 Like no one.

01:12:34.000 I know because I've been with politicians in that area and they've asked me, do I, do I need to wear a ki kipa?

01:12:39.000 And I always say to them, of course not.

01:12:40.000 You're not saying a bracha and you're not Jewish. 0.98

01:12:42.000 So no, you don't.

01:12:43.000 A bracha is Hebrew for a blessing.

01:12:45.000 But the idea here is supposed to be that somehow the Jews are forcing the Jew hat on people. 0.74

01:12:49.000 Just ridiculous, ridiculous stuff.

01:12:51.000 And then finally, she suggested, of course, that America's economic problems are because of American aid to Israel.

01:12:58.000 Now, I've made the case for years and years that Israel should get off American aid.

01:13:00.000 I think it'd be better for America.

01:13:02.000 I think it'd be better for Israel. 0.92

01:13:03.000 The reason that I think it would be better for Israel is because that American aid comes with extraordinary strings.

01:13:09.000 And when Democrats are in power, they use those strings against Israel, which is what Joe Biden actually did.

01:13:14.000 If you take a look at what the.

01:13:16.000 United States, what we get for that aid, we get military cooperation, we get intelligence cooperation.

01:13:21.000 Now, maybe you get that in absence of that, but one of the things America does is we subsidize Israel to buy American military weaponry, and then we get the Israeli upgrades to that weaponry.

01:13:33.000 So, for example, our F-35 pilots wear helmets, those helmets can see over the horizon.

01:13:37.000 That is Israeli tech developed by the Israelis.

01:13:40.000 America has access to that tech because of the aid package that we have with the state of Israel.

01:13:47.000 We have the greatest intelligence sharing with Israel of any other country on Earth, as far as I know, largely because of that aid package.

01:13:55.000 America, in other words, pays Israel also not to develop its own technology and then sell it abroad.

01:14:00.000 Back in the 1980s, Israel was developing its own military jet.

01:14:04.000 That military jet was called the Levi.

01:14:05.000 There was concern in the American military complex that the Levi was actually a threat and a rival to the F-16.

01:14:12.000 And so what did America do?

01:14:14.000 We gave aid to Israel and then we made a deal with Israel where Israel could make upgrades to the F-16 and we would have access to the kind of technological upgrades available to the F-16, which means that both countries benefit.

01:14:26.000 But it also means that Israel is locked out of international markets with regard to virtually all military developments except for some of the dronesone technology at this point.

01:14:35.000 But according to Marjorie Taylor Greene, apparently it's just charity that's bankrupting the United States.

01:14:40.000 That $3.3 billion that we allow Israel to buy military equipment from and then mandate it to be spent in the United States, it's bankrupting the United States.

01:14:48.000 Despite the fact that we are spending on the order of seven trillion dollars, actually, and that $3.3 billion, again, you can make the case that we shouldn't be spending it, but the idea that that is what's bankrupting the United States is totally insane.

01:15:00.000 What you are talking about here is 0.04 percent of the American budget every year.

01:15:08.000 Anyway, here is Marjorie Taylor Greene saying silly things.

01:15:11.000 If you look at Israel, you have to recognize in the context of these conversations, not only are they such a strong economic country, not only have they proven that their military can almost, they're annihilating their enemy almost completely.

01:15:25.000 They're going to finish the job.

01:15:26.000 And they're saying they're going to finish the job.

01:15:30.000 They also have nuclear weapons.

01:15:32.000 This is a nuclear-armed nation.

01:15:34.000 So you're saying you agree with all that, but we, they got it.

01:15:38.000 I'm saying America is a sinking ship.

01:15:42.000 We're sinking so badly.

01:15:43.000 Our children have no hope of ever buying a home in the future.

01:15:47.000 We pass a budget that is overblown and ridiculous every single year and we are dragging our we're going to be 37 now.

01:15:55.000 It'll be 40 trillion in a matter of who knows months or whatever.

01:15:59.000 Okay, so bottom line here with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:16:01.000 I'm only pointing this out because it got an outsized amount of attention on X, but this is not a person who has wildly intelligent things to say.

01:16:08.000 This is not an authoritative source on pretty much anything.

01:16:11.000 And if the Republican Party continues to elevate people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, my assumption is that there will be an electoral price to pay because if the Democratic Party pays an electoral price for elevating their most radical and kind of nutty members, I assume the same will happen with the Republican Party.

01:16:27.000 All right.

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