The Ben Shapiro Show - Sunday Special | Patrick Bet-David On Andrew Tate, Entrepreneurship & The Yankees

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00:00:31.000 Patrick Bette David is an Iranian-American serial entrepreneur and founder and CEO of Valuetainment.

00:00:37.000 Patrick is of Armenian and Assyrian descent and as a child escaped Iran with his family.

00:00:41.000 Patrick's family ended up living in a refugee camp and airing in Germany for about two years.

00:00:45.000 Eventually, they settled in Glendale, California in 1990.

00:00:49.000 After high school, Patrick joined the U.S.

00:00:50.000 military and served in the 101st Airborne Division.

00:00:53.000 Once out of the military, Patrick developed salesmanship skills selling health club memberships as a manager at Bally Total Fitness.

00:00:58.000 He joined Morgan Stanley Dean Witter the day before 9-11 and left a year later to become a financial advisor at Transamerica.

00:01:05.000 Before the age of 30, Patrick had already begun building his business empire.

00:01:08.000 He founded PHP Agency in October 2009, a financial services marketing company which has grown to more than 27,000 agents in 49 states.

00:01:16.000 Fat David's YouTube channel is both motivational and educational.

00:01:19.000 It features interviews with a wide variety of guests ranging from politicians like Rod Blagojevich and Anthony Weiner to athletes like Shaq, Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant.

00:01:27.000 Patrick is the embodiment of the American dream with a first-hand understanding of what it takes to go from rags to riches.

00:01:33.000 Whether it's authors, mobsters, or movie stars, Patrick's passion and unapologetic approach to controversial conversations has attracted an audience of millions across the globe.

00:01:41.000 His weekly PBD podcast is a top business podcast in the country.

00:01:44.000 His new book, Choose Your Enemies Wisely, Business Planning for the Audacious Few, will be coming out this December.

00:01:49.000 In this episode, we discuss his viral interview with Andrew Tate, the wonders of capitalism,

00:01:54.000 how to conduct a fascinating interview, and what it takes to become a part owner of the

00:01:57.000 New York Yankees.

00:01:58.000 Well, Patrick, thanks so much for stopping by.

00:02:10.000 It's great to see you.

00:02:11.000 Yes, thanks for having me.

00:02:12.000 It's good.

00:02:12.000 It's good to be here.

00:02:13.000 It's been a while.

00:02:13.000 We were in different locations last time we saw one another.

00:02:15.000 It was off of Ventura in L.A.

00:02:17.000 like five or six years ago.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:02:19.000 And things have grown for both of us since then.

00:02:21.000 No question.

00:02:21.000 How's Florida treating you?

00:02:22.000 I'm in love.

00:02:23.000 I mean, I'm in love.

00:02:24.000 You know, for me, Florida is... We lived in L.A.

00:02:27.000 20-some years.

00:02:27.000 We lived in Dallas five years of Texas and...

00:02:30.000 California had a baby, it would be Florida.

00:02:32.000 So, we're in love.

00:02:33.000 We love this place.

00:02:33.000 That's awesome.

00:02:34.000 And so, you've been busy of late.

00:02:36.000 Obviously, your interview with Andrew Tait made extraordinary kind of international news.

00:02:40.000 So, why don't we start with that?

00:02:41.000 How did you decide that you wanted to interview Andrew in the first place?

00:02:44.000 So, the first one was, him and I were having a conversation.

00:02:47.000 We've been communicating for three or four years, even when he was a little bit smaller.

00:02:51.000 And then, I noticed, you know, they were targeting him.

00:02:55.000 Hey, he's doing this, he's doing that.

00:02:56.000 I said, listen, why don't we do an interview together?

00:02:59.000 And then we flew out and we found a local in a halfway Madrid, you know, we didn't go to Romania.

00:03:04.000 We met in Madrid.

00:03:05.000 We found a cigar lounge.

00:03:07.000 We went all the way to the top.

00:03:07.000 We shut the place down and we talked to him for five and a half hours.

00:03:11.000 And by the time you're done, you're like, I like this guy off camera.

00:03:14.000 You're like, and obviously his personal life, some of the decisions he makes, maybe you wouldn't make, or some other person wouldn't make.

00:03:20.000 Uh, but a lot of the values and what he's presenting, You can't argue.

00:03:25.000 Young men are looking for that, especially nowadays.

00:03:27.000 There's a lot of boys that are looking for an older brother or a father figure, and his messaging keeps resonating with them.

00:03:34.000 That was the first one that we did.

00:03:36.000 And then the second one that we did during Romania, when he got out, his lawyer and I accidentally, we found out we went to high school together, four years apart, okay?

00:03:46.000 And I had her on, and then his PR people and I were in communication while they were in, and then they said, Andrew, we'd like to talk to you first when he gets out.

00:03:54.000 I said, great.

00:03:55.000 He got out, we communicated, boom, let's do it, Romania, we're coming to you.

00:03:58.000 We took a crew, went to Romania, did the interview.

00:04:01.000 And it was right after BBC did a nice little fancy interview with them trying to get him.

00:04:06.000 And it was so funny.

00:04:07.000 It says when the BBC folks came here, I told everybody, put your mask on.

00:04:10.000 Are you vaccinated?

00:04:11.000 How come you don't have your mask on?

00:04:13.000 I don't feel safe with you.

00:04:14.000 Put your mask on.

00:04:14.000 Don't get too close to me.

00:04:16.000 He was playing a card on them.

00:04:17.000 But yeah, I mean, look, Andrew Tate is the kind of guy that The mainstream media loves to hate.

00:04:23.000 It's a great target for them.

00:04:25.000 It's an easy target for them.

00:04:27.000 And he knows how to troll them, how to get under their skin.

00:04:30.000 And any time you get a guy like that, he's going to get a lot of eyeballs.

00:04:33.000 So when you interview somebody like Andrew Tritt, what kind of prep goes into that?

00:04:36.000 Because obviously we've had people at Daily Wire who've interviewed him as well.

00:04:39.000 And the big controversies that surround him, there's sort of two sets.

00:04:42.000 There's one that's about his views, which are interesting and certainly heterodox.

00:04:46.000 What I've said about his views from his public expression of them is that I agree with many of his diagnoses and very few of his prescriptions.

00:04:51.000 So many of his diagnoses of secular feminism and third wave feminism and the destruction of society, I think a lot of those are true. 1.00

00:04:57.000 And then I think sort of the way that he treats the questions, the answers are very often wrong.

00:05:03.000 Meaning that my answer to that would be get married, have kids, build a family unit.

00:05:07.000 That's how you build a society.

00:05:08.000 It's not through sort of You know, how many women can I attract, or how much money can I make, and that shouldn't be your gauge of success, in other words.

00:05:14.000 So there's the controversy about his views, which people can argue over, and then there's obviously the bigger controversy over his actual activities.

00:05:23.000 What do you make of some of the compilation videos that have come out of him talking about, for example, his loverboy method, or some of the things that he was using to get girls involved?

00:05:33.000 What is the loverboy method?

00:05:34.000 Let's unpack the loverboy method.

00:05:36.000 It's what?

00:05:37.000 It's using persuasive lines to get a girl to fall in love with you. 0.99

00:05:41.000 Is that the lover boy method?

00:05:43.000 If that's the lover boy method, 90% of men who are 18 years old, 20 years old, who have no clue how to get a girl, would love to learn that language.

00:05:52.000 It's not an easy language to pick up.

00:05:54.000 It's not for everybody.

00:05:55.000 For example, a lot of people watch you.

00:05:58.000 How many people can be Ben Shapiro?

00:05:59.000 How many viral videos do you have?

00:06:01.000 How many videos I've gone?

00:06:02.000 Ben Shapiro destroys, just add whatever the word is next, 10 million views, 15, that's all you gotta put and just let it rip and you'll go, right?

00:06:09.000 How many people can be like Ben?

00:06:11.000 Why do people watch you?

00:06:12.000 Why are people so enamored by you?

00:06:14.000 Because they wish they can kind of be like a Ben.

00:06:16.000 They wish they can kind of talk like a Ben.

00:06:18.000 They wish they can kind of, you know, the guy putting his hand on your shoulder, you put him in his place and, you know, you would pierce, you know, years ago, I don't know what that was, 10, 11 years ago, boom, you put, you know, hit him in his place.

00:06:28.000 They, you know, you went with so many different examples.

00:06:31.000 So, take a Ben, I know this is a different example, weird example to give you.

00:06:34.000 You and Andrew Tate are actually very similar, okay?

00:06:36.000 The only difference is...

00:06:38.000 You know, your wordsmith is with values and principles, conservative belief, and you were raised in an environment where a mom and a dad, you know, where I think your dad was a composer, your mom, you know, these are people that executive, you know, in Hollywood or production company she's working at, you had a little bit more stability.

00:06:55.000 He did not have stability.

00:06:57.000 Both of you know how to communicate.

00:06:58.000 Both of you know how to sell your message.

00:07:00.000 Both of you are witty.

00:07:01.000 Both of you know how to challenge the status quo.

00:07:03.000 Both of you know how to push the envelope.

00:07:04.000 Both of you know how to get under someone's skin.

00:07:06.000 Both of you know how to push back on authority because they're telling you what you're doing.

00:07:10.000 You better do it this way or else.

00:07:11.000 Both of you are somewhat anti-establishment.

00:07:14.000 So I don't think there's a difference between the two of you.

00:07:16.000 The only difference is your upbringing, mom and dad, environment.

00:07:22.000 As a man, when you're younger, You know, and you have a woman that publicly humiliates you or breaks your heart or leaves you for another man or, you know, does something to you that's embarrassing.

00:07:35.000 Men react to that in a different way.

00:07:37.000 Some men react to that and they're just kind of like, I'm going to turn it on the girls.

00:07:41.000 And for every girl I ever date, I'm gonna treat them and get back to them.

00:07:45.000 Really, you're not really getting back to her.

00:07:47.000 She didn't do anything to you getting back to your ex because she hurt you, right?

00:07:50.000 Some guys are like, well, maybe I'm not good enough and I'm never gonna get a girl and I'm just not gonna date

00:07:55.000 and I'm just gonna stay single.

00:07:56.000 Another one's gonna settle.

00:07:58.000 Everyone reacts in a different way.

00:07:59.000 His react, I've asked him this question many times.

00:08:01.000 I said, so who broke your heart?

00:08:03.000 And he'll kind of go through it, won't give a lot of details about it.

00:08:05.000 But, you know, if somebody broke his heart, I'm assuming the way he took it is,

00:08:11.000 I'm gonna get back to you for the rest of your life and I'm gonna show you how big I'm gonna be,

00:08:14.000 how successful I'm gonna be.

00:08:16.000 And all these exes who hurt me for the rest of their lives are gonna go through this.

00:08:19.000 That's what I think he did.

00:08:21.000 Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

00:08:23.000 I don't know.

00:08:24.000 Lifestyle-wise, the way he makes money, I think there's a lot of different ways to make money.

00:08:28.000 You know, some you agree with, some you don't agree with.

00:08:30.000 In his environment, where he is, Uh, that is a normal, that is not an abnormal way of making money.

00:08:37.000 It's not the traditional way of making money, but there's many camera, you know, girls that you do that with and you make, there's a lot of guys that do that in that country. 1.00

00:08:45.000 There's a reason why he's in Romania.

00:08:46.000 And then the last thing I would add to you is the first time I interviewed with him, when the interview was done, I, uh, walked away.

00:08:54.000 And when we back, we went back to the hotel.

00:08:57.000 I met him and I met Tristan.

00:08:58.000 I went back to the hotel and I said, I think, and I think I even asked him on the first question, I said, I think, I think someone in the Muslim faith is influencing you.

00:09:09.000 Because the language he's talking about, he's talking about the language that I remember living in Iran, where that was the language, where it's men here, women here, you better or else, and it's not maybe you better or else, it's my job is to protect you, your job is to have kids, and that's it, that's the relationship we have.

00:09:29.000 And that's where I felt the influence was taking place, where he went from being the guy that was the fighter, then a lot of women, Then he's trying to see what he's going to be doing.

00:09:39.000 Then he found a way to make his money.

00:09:40.000 Then he's getting all this fame with the camera because he's got a way of speaking.

00:09:44.000 And then he's like, OK, there's a lot of chaos going on in my life.

00:09:47.000 I better settle down.

00:09:48.000 I no longer want to play like I did at 25 or 30.

00:09:50.000 I got to get my act together.

00:09:52.000 I want to have this.

00:09:53.000 I want to have that.

00:09:53.000 And he kind of tried to figure out a way to settle down by converting to Islam and Muslim.

00:09:58.000 But I felt like someone was in his ear from that faith.

00:10:01.000 So I don't want to make this interview about Andrew Tate because obviously I can ask Andrew Tate those questions, but the real question is how do you prep for the kinds of interviews that you do?

00:10:10.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:10:12.000 You've interviewed such a wide range of people, from Kobe Bryant to Andrew Tate, it's a pretty big gamut.

00:10:16.000 So how do you prep for those sorts of interviews and how do you decide where to push back or not to push back and all that sort of stuff?

00:10:21.000 So the way I do an interview is I depend on what it is.

00:10:24.000 Let's just say it's somebody that's a topic-driven interview.

00:10:27.000 I'm bringing somebody that we're specifically gonna talk about an issue.

00:10:30.000 I'm only studying that issue and a little bit of the person's bio, their expertise, because I know who that person is.

00:10:35.000 So it's more issue-driven, it's less personality-driven.

00:10:38.000 That's a different style of an interview than if I'm interviewing you, I'm interviewing you based on you.

00:10:45.000 You're the product.

00:10:46.000 The topic's not the product, you're the product, right?

00:10:48.000 So if I'm studying the topic, I want to know your background.

00:10:52.000 I want to know motives.

00:10:53.000 I want to know tipping point decisions.

00:10:55.000 I want to know what affected you.

00:10:57.000 I want to know what decisions you made, why you made it.

00:11:00.000 I want to know different angles.

00:11:03.000 I've got a series of 20 questions.

00:11:05.000 I'll rank the 20 questions that I got, and my questions will rank from the most important top three questions I want to ask you.

00:11:12.000 And then everything sequences down, right?

00:11:14.000 Then you have to kind of put a maze.

00:11:15.000 I'm going to go here first, then I'm going to go here, then here, then here, then I'm going to go here, and then eventually I'm going to go here, because this was a question I always wanted to ask.

00:11:22.000 But you're not going to ask this question first.

00:11:24.000 You ask that question like question number seven.

00:11:25.000 Like when I had Anthony Wiener on, the question I wanted to ask him was maybe question number 11.

00:11:31.000 But it was my number one question.

00:11:33.000 Well, because he started off so abrasive, number 11 became number three.

00:11:36.000 No problem.

00:11:37.000 If you want to have that, we can do that as well.

00:11:39.000 But you made number 11 three.

00:11:41.000 Preferably, I would like to keep 11 11.

00:11:43.000 So sometimes in the middle of the interview, you may pivot based on what direction the interview is going with the individual.

00:11:49.000 And then you go from there.

00:11:50.000 But it's different if I'm doing topic versus personality.

00:11:54.000 So, you know, obviously everybody comes to this particular job that we do with a set of values.

00:12:00.000 What are your core values that you're bringing into the interviews that I think are the prism through which you view the person who you're interviewing?

00:12:06.000 Where do those values come from?

00:12:08.000 So I've lived a very weird life.

00:12:10.000 So for me, I'm less judgmental on the individual because I understand not everybody lives the same life.

00:12:18.000 I lived in Iran 10 years and my parents got divorced twice.

00:12:22.000 My mom and dad were married.

00:12:23.000 My sister's born.

00:12:25.000 Then they get a divorce.

00:12:26.000 Then they get remarried to each other.

00:12:28.000 Then I'm born.

00:12:29.000 Then they get divorced.

00:12:29.000 So that's my mom and dad.

00:12:30.000 My mom's family, majority of them, they were all part of the two day party in Iran, communist.

00:12:36.000 And they were all about Karl Marx.

00:12:38.000 A lot of these guys were people that maybe escaped Russia and they came down, you know, to whether they escaped Russia or Leningrad or Baku or any of that.

00:12:45.000 they came down to Tehran, Iran or Bandar Pahlavi back in the days, Rasht, was a city that's

00:12:50.000 North Iran, that's close to Caspian Sea, the best caviar in the world.

00:12:54.000 And so they became communists.

00:12:55.000 They've been communists because they kind of like the way Russia's system was, all these 0.54

00:12:58.000 rich people, they're greedy, all they care about is money.

00:13:00.000 We're about community.

00:13:01.000 Let's come together.

00:13:02.000 We don't have to work that hard.

00:13:03.000 Let's spend more time together.

00:13:04.000 And my dad's side, they're Assyrians, original Assyrians.

00:13:07.000 So I speak Aramaic, so I'm Assyrian, but David, all of that.

00:13:10.000 So they're more imperialist.

00:13:12.000 He was more about the Shah.

00:13:14.000 He was more about the king. 0.94

00:13:15.000 He was more about, you know, poor people are lazy. 0.82

00:13:19.000 My mom was rich, people are greedy. 0.99

00:13:21.000 So they're debating each other constantly, right?

00:13:23.000 And then I had some interesting characters in my family.

00:13:26.000 Some made money in an interesting way, you know, bootlegging, whatever, in Iran at that time.

00:13:30.000 And one was a physicist who was a math guy who would have a pipe and Einstein thing behind him, painting behind him,

00:13:35.000 and he had shotguns.

00:13:36.000 And every time he would come to his house, he's always reading this physics book, right? Everything about him was

00:13:40.000 about math.

00:13:41.000 So that had an influence. Then war takes place in Iran. We're living in the capital. We're being bombed on.

00:13:46.000 One time, 160-something times in a day, and I'm going to an Armenian school, Gulbenkian, and you're hearing the whistling

00:13:52.000 sounds.

00:13:53.000 So then we escape Germany. 0.58

00:13:55.000 We escape Iran. 0.97

00:13:55.000 We go to Germany. 0.97

00:13:57.000 Six weeks after Khomeini dies in 89, I think it's like July 15, we go to Germany, 89.

00:14:00.000 And I live at a refugee camp in Germany in Erlangen for a year and a half, and we come to the States here.

00:14:06.000 And when I come to the States here, I'm like, hey, I cannot believe this is how this life is, how great America is.

00:14:12.000 And then I go to high school, then I joined the army, and I grew up watching Mob, and I wanted to be a bodybuilder, and we always watched, you know, Godfather, or Carlito's Way, or, you know, Scarface, and sports, and we're talking about sports earlier, with your interest in wanting to be a sports owner in the future.

00:14:27.000 Very interesting.

00:14:28.000 I'm looking forward to celebrating that with you, which was an interesting conversation to have.

00:14:32.000 But so anyways, the people around me were always weird and different.

00:14:36.000 So I was able to befriend the 4.5 GPA kid and the captain of the football team and the teacher who gave me an F and a teacher who was a math teacher.

00:14:48.000 We would have conversations and the head coach and the counselor and the army recruiter and the cops.

00:14:54.000 It didn't matter.

00:14:55.000 I had relationships with all these guys.

00:14:58.000 And because there was no judgment, we can sit down and have conversations together.

00:15:01.000 So my approach to the way we're doing interviews is people feel safer sitting down with us.

00:15:07.000 Well, maybe they wouldn't feel safer in a different place.

00:15:09.000 Like one week I'll have Cenk and people are upset at me because I had Cenk.

00:15:13.000 Next week I have Alex Jones.

00:15:14.000 You know, one week I'll have Charlie Kirk.

00:15:16.000 Oh my God, I can't believe you'll have Charlie Kirk.

00:15:17.000 Next week I got Chris Cuomo.

00:15:19.000 We're okay doing that.

00:15:20.000 That's very norm for us to have the conversation and people know where I stand.

00:15:23.000 I'm a capitalist.

00:15:25.000 I love America.

00:15:25.000 This is the greatest country in the world.

00:15:27.000 I'm a military guy, so you know where I stand with guns.

00:15:30.000 You know, when it comes down to taxes, I have very strong opinion on taxes, very strong opinions on family values, principles, you know, our incentive program right now on how it's, you know, encouraging people to have kids, single mother, all this stuff.

00:15:43.000 I have very strong philosophies in.

00:15:45.000 But in regards to the media, how we're building the media, the main basis is capitalism.

00:15:50.000 And anything can be built on the main core values and principles that we have is capitalism.

00:15:57.000 We believe you can go out there and build as big of a business or small of a business And make as much or as little money as you want to make, or you can be a supporter in the role of building daily wire.

00:16:06.000 You can be a consultant, you can be an outsider, you can be an independent contractor, you can be an employee, you can be an executive, you can get a piece of the company eventually when it goes public or it sells, you get a check.

00:16:16.000 There's so many ways within a capitalistic society to win.

00:16:19.000 That's our core foundation and obviously a bunch of different things comes with it.

00:16:22.000 So one of the big issues you've been talking about, because you talk so much about capitalism and business, is the infiltration of ESG into business.

00:16:29.000 And this is something that I think took a lot of conservatives by surprise over the course of the last 10 years.

00:16:32.000 There's this belief system, at least when I was growing up, that there are certain institutions in the society that lean left.

00:16:37.000 The universities lean left, the media lean left, Hollywood lean left, obviously.

00:16:41.000 When it came to corporate America, the idea was you were going to go into business, and then you were going to deal with the real world, where you had to pay taxes and you had to make payroll, and this was going to make you conservative.

00:16:48.000 And now, for a lot of conservatives, it feels like that's not what corporate America is.

00:16:52.000 Corporate America has basically engaged in corporatism, where they're working hand-in-glove with members of the government in order to get special advantages, and then the other half of that deal is they have to promote left-wing viewpoints on everything from environmental to social.

00:17:06.000 So how deep do you think the infiltration of ESG has been, and how dangerous is it?

00:17:10.000 Oh, it's extremely deep, but the answer is they're not going to win.

00:17:14.000 They're not going to win long term, because people are starting to get exposed to it, and they're learning more about it, and even they're saying, hey, let me back off a little bit.

00:17:21.000 You know, Larry thinks that ESG is being, you know, it's being bullied a little bit, and people are not liking it.

00:17:26.000 getting a black guy and Elon Musk on the other end said the S stands for satanic or even

00:17:31.000 you know Charlie Munger says look I love Larry Fink I think he's a great guy but I don't 0.67

00:17:36.000 want Larry Fink as an emperor I want him as a friend I don't want him as an emperor and

00:17:38.000 Larry Fink kind of you know black rock what they're trying to build.

00:17:41.000 So here's the part where I have a problem with it is this guy Larry goes and majors

00:17:48.000 in political science.

00:17:49.000 He was not a money guy.

00:17:50.000 He wanted to get into politics.

00:17:52.000 That's his major.

00:17:53.000 But then he learns how to make money because he's a numbers guy as well.

00:17:56.000 Then he makes money.

00:17:56.000 He loses his first hundred million.

00:17:58.000 I think he's 36 years old.

00:18:00.000 Then he comes back, learns a special skill.

00:18:02.000 I think he teams up with Schwarzman.

00:18:04.000 Eventually, they make money.

00:18:05.000 At one point, they split because Schwarzman wanted to keep the whole company to themselves.

00:18:09.000 Fink wanted to give equity.

00:18:11.000 We'll go our separate ways.

00:18:12.000 And then Fink obviously turns BlackRock into a $10 trillion of assets under management.

00:18:18.000 To put that in perspective, you know, only US and China have a bigger GDP.

00:18:21.000 $10 trillion is a lot of money.

00:18:23.000 Now, $10 trillion is not their money, it's money they're managing.

00:18:26.000 So it's institutional money.

00:18:27.000 $1 million from here, $18 million from here, $48 million from here, $32 million from here.

00:18:32.000 It's institutional, but they make the decision on what they do with your money.

00:18:34.000 So then they choose, and you look across the board, the amount of reach that they have,

00:18:39.000 whether it goes to, you know, military.

00:18:41.000 So you're talking about Raytheon, Boeing, General Dynamics, you know, all these guys where they are the top three to four shareholders in those companies through their ETFs or through their institutional money.

00:18:52.000 And in Hollywood, you go into so many different businesses, you look at 88 percent, I think it's 88 percent S&P 500 companies, they're the top three shareholders in

00:19:01.000 those companies imagine that kind of influence and control So now if you're doing that what influence do you have?

00:19:07.000 Hey, we better not put that guy there because we're not gonna get more money from them

00:19:11.000 We better not do this and then you add George Soros Who Open Society Foundation he starts and he's worth seven

00:19:18.000 billion dollars, which I think he's given us seven billion to his son

00:19:21.000 38 39 year old son and George Soros over the years last 30 years

00:19:26.000 He's given Open Society Foundation 32 billion dollars is what he's given to them

00:19:31.000 Then they came up with a way to do this DEI score, you know diversity equity

00:19:35.000 Inclusive which by the way when we were selling our insurance company, we build an insurance company with 45,000

00:19:41.000 agents We sold it a year ago to Silverlake and integrated

00:19:43.000 marketing very happy with the partnership that we have with them

00:19:46.000 but couple the meetings that we had been was interesting because

00:19:50.000 Our insurance company, when we started it, at the time, the average insurance agent was a 56-year-old white male.

00:19:56.000 Okay?

00:19:56.000 Our company, the average agent is a 34-year-old Hispanic female.

00:20:00.000 It's a high-volume recruiting company, and we targeted women, Hispanics, and younger audience through social media.

00:20:07.000 We go in a meeting in Fort Worth, big family office, $21 billion.

00:20:12.000 And they're sitting there saying, look, we are very interested in the company.

00:20:15.000 We'd like to buy the company.

00:20:16.000 I said, what's your main reason for wanting to buy the company?

00:20:19.000 And it doesn't help that you guys have a very high DEI score, because we don't.

00:20:27.000 We're 99% white.

00:20:29.000 And if we get a company like yours in a marketplace, look at the way they're making the decision.

00:20:34.000 Not the decision of, this is a good EBITDA, we can grow this, we can buy it for 13 times EBITDA, but we can sell it for 20 times EBITDA if we put it in the portfolio.

00:20:43.000 So, this is the part where DEI score, CEI score, corporate equity index, where a Philip Morris gets a higher rating on their ESG score than a Tesla with what Elon is doing.

00:20:53.000 Now, people are waking up and saying, this doesn't make sense.

00:20:54.000 And in Hollywood now, where they're forgetting the fact that originally, the reason why people went to Hollywood is because Hollywood was originally New Jersey.

00:21:05.000 Under Thomas Edison.

00:21:06.000 Most movies in America were being produced in Jersey, through Thomas Edison, but Thomas Edison regulated the industry of motion pictures so much that the guy said, we're leaving Jersey.

00:21:17.000 And they all went to Burbank.

00:21:18.000 And they made Burbank and Glendale, Burbank and Hollywood, the hub to make movies.

00:21:22.000 Great!

00:21:22.000 You got away from the mess, you went over there.

00:21:24.000 Now, the same thing is repeating itself where in Hollywood If you want to be nominated for an Oscar, I'm sure you saw this, a third of your actors have to be part of the underrepresented community, whether it's black, whether it's Hispanic, whether it's disability, whether it's LGBTQ, whether it's American Indian with Native American, all this stuff.

00:21:41.000 And even the editors, the cutters, all this stuff.

00:21:44.000 So that means the last however many Oscar winning movies, none of them would win today.

00:21:49.000 This just doesn't make any sense today what they're doing.

00:21:51.000 So the more this hypocrisy keeps becoming public, The average person sits there and says, yeah, I don't buy this.

00:21:58.000 This doesn't make any sense.

00:21:59.000 So now McDonald's removes ESG off their website.

00:22:02.000 Now all these companies are removing, and even BlackRock is no longer using the word ESG.

00:22:07.000 And S&P 500 said, we're no longer looking at the ESG score.

00:22:10.000 It's not something we're looking at.

00:22:11.000 Two, three weeks ago, they announced this.

00:22:12.000 So common sense eventually prevails.

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00:23:25.000 So how much do you think that was all sort of the privilege of easy money?

00:23:30.000 Meaning that for 20 years, you could basically borrow at no margin.

00:23:33.000 I mean, you're borrowing at 2%, 3%.

00:23:35.000 The Fed rate didn't exist.

00:23:38.000 I mean, up until the last year, you were able to basically just take money for free. 1.00

00:23:42.000 And so that allows you to play all these sorts of stupid games. 0.98

00:23:44.000 In a time when interest rates have tightened a fair bit, people are going to be a lot more careful with their money. 0.97

00:23:48.000 Instead of looking just at ESG or DEI scores, they're actually going to be looking at things like EBITDA, and you would hope that that'll have some impact.

00:23:57.000 I'm on the board of a NASDAQ-traded company, and one of the things that we have to certify

00:24:00.000 is that a certain number of our board members are females or minorities or gay or whatever

00:24:05.000 it is.

00:24:06.000 But at a certain point, people are also going to realize, even at the NASDAQ, that you're

00:24:10.000 losing a lot of companies that otherwise would be doing great on your index fund that can't

00:24:15.000 make that cutoff.

00:24:16.000 And when the money is hard to come by, it's a lot harder to start pushing these sort of

00:24:20.000 empty principles to show your cocktail-buddy friends that you're a really nice guy who

00:24:24.000 believes all the right things.

00:24:25.000 Again, it's not gonna work.

00:24:27.000 Bad policies have consequences.

00:24:29.000 So California sitting there saying, well, let me tell you, here's what we're going to do in California.

00:24:32.000 We're going to be doing this.

00:24:33.000 We're going to be forcing everybody to take the vaccine.

00:24:35.000 We're going to put masks on.

00:24:36.000 We're going to be responsible.

00:24:37.000 We're going to be shutting down restaurants.

00:24:39.000 And DeSantis on this side is like, no, you're open.

00:24:42.000 You know, Disney World, you're open.

00:24:43.000 So Disney World does well.

00:24:45.000 Disneyland does bad.

00:24:47.000 Bob Iger says, I'm getting off the board of helping Newsom.

00:24:50.000 He was originally trying to help him.

00:24:51.000 Then after Newsom made the announcement with all these parks being closed, he's like, I'm off your board.

00:24:56.000 So Bob Iger's in the middle, whether he's a Democrat, he's a registered Democrat, and he defends the democratic values.

00:25:02.000 He's a smart guy to sit there and say the conservative values during COVID were better for business than the liberal values for COVID.

00:25:10.000 And what happened in California first time since 1851, they lose all these folks and they leave California to different states.

00:25:15.000 I think the number one beneficiary was Texas and then it was Nevada or whatever these states are.

00:25:20.000 I think number five or six was Florida because they're coming all the way over here.

00:25:23.000 A lot of the New York and Jersey guys came here.

00:25:26.000 But COVID was the best case study.

00:25:28.000 If you think about it, COVID showed us what policies don't work.

00:25:32.000 COVID showed us right now, Florida, they're targeting Governor DeSantis and they're saying all these teachers don't feel safe teaching in the state of Florida.

00:25:41.000 These anti-woke policies make me very uncomfortable.

00:25:44.000 Well, guess what?

00:25:44.000 Go to California.

00:25:45.000 Newsom welcomes you.

00:25:46.000 Go for it.

00:25:47.000 So the parents that are in California right now are saying, no, no, no, we don't want more of these people to come.

00:25:53.000 So the parents in California either have to protest.

00:25:55.000 They have to stand up.

00:25:56.000 They have to do a nationwide, statewide protest, which is take your kids out of school for

00:26:01.000 one straight month and create different Zooms of parents who are teachers and do some kind

00:26:07.000 kind of homeschooling. And if you can do that in the state of California for a month straight,

00:26:13.000 and then you can go to Sacramento protesting outside and do a big podcast and get all the

00:26:17.000 eyeballs to Newsom, we're not leaving until you come and talk to us. And that gets bigger

00:26:20.000 and bigger and bigger. Hey, what policies are you making changes to for the state of

00:26:23.000 California or else one month? They're going to feel the pain. So it's getting to that

00:26:28.000 point where these policies are being exposed. Exposed. We're going back to the question

00:26:31.000 you're asking about easy money. What happened with this whole 128 month economic expansion?

00:26:36.000 Zero percent interest rates.

00:26:37.000 Zero, one percent, half a percent.

00:26:39.000 Fake money.

00:26:39.000 Print, print, print.

00:26:40.000 Yeah, go finance.

00:26:41.000 Buy this house for nothing.

00:26:42.000 Buy that house for nothing.

00:26:43.000 Buy this, buy that, and let's keep investing.

00:26:45.000 Let's keep investing.

00:26:46.000 Let's keep making money.

00:26:48.000 It's fake money.

00:26:49.000 It's not real money.

00:26:50.000 The debt keeps increasing.

00:26:51.000 This is not real money.

00:26:52.000 And then the moment rates go up, right now the refinance market is at a 27-year low.

00:26:59.000 27-year low in refi?

00:27:00.000 What kind of money are mortgage brokers making right now at a 7.2% 30-year fixed interest rate?

00:27:04.000 They're not, right?

00:27:06.000 Although it's a good time to buy, you know, it's not a good time to refi, but it's a good time to buy property.

00:27:11.000 Only if you're all cash.

00:27:12.000 Only if you're all cash, and if you can find some of the desperate situations, because still people have some savings left.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, and the prices haven't dropped nearly as much as they're going to.

00:27:20.000 They have not dropped.

00:27:21.000 No, they have not.

00:27:21.000 Sticky market.

00:27:22.000 But they're going to, though.

00:27:23.000 Because once people run out of savings, once they run out of savings, then you have to make a desperate sale.

00:27:29.000 Right.

00:27:29.000 And when you make that desperate sale, it's going to be a different economy.

00:27:31.000 So again, going back to it.

00:27:34.000 You have to give them props.

00:27:36.000 Like a guy asked me a question yesterday.

00:27:37.000 He says, Pat, do you think they're going to do COVID shutdown 2.0 for the election for 2024?

00:27:44.000 I said, if they can get away with it, of course they're going to do it.

00:27:47.000 What are you saying?

00:27:48.000 I said, give props to your enemy for having better strategies than you.

00:27:53.000 Give props to the enemy for doing things that you're not willing to do.

00:27:56.000 I said, it's almost at a point right now where, you ever seen the movie American Gangster?

00:28:01.000 The story about Frank Lucas?

00:28:02.000 You know the scene where he's having breakfast with his brothers and his cousins, and he noticed a guy that hasn't paid him the 10 points, and he goes out, say, hey, where's my money?

00:28:09.000 He hasn't, he says, I'm not gonna give you the 10%, and takes a gun, shoots him, comes back down, takes a, wipes his hands, puts a dollar on the ground, opens the door, sits down, starts having breakfast with his cousins, and as if nothing happened, It's as if they're doing that, and they're saying, what are you going to do about it?

00:28:25.000 Do something about it.

00:28:26.000 What are you going to do?

00:28:27.000 You're not going to do nothing about it, right?

00:28:30.000 But what happened to Frank Lucas?

00:28:31.000 He eventually got caught.

00:28:32.000 You're not going to be able to do this forever.

00:28:34.000 No bully gets away with it permanently.

00:28:37.000 What a bully does that most people don't realize, you wake up the wrong kind of people.

00:28:42.000 Here's what the wrong kind of people are.

00:28:44.000 They're a different kind of people.

00:28:45.000 They're those that Fight no matter what the season is.

00:28:49.000 They're always going to fight.

00:28:50.000 No, you can't do that.

00:28:51.000 You can't do this.

00:28:52.000 No way.

00:28:52.000 This is not fair.

00:28:53.000 That's that crowd, right?

00:28:54.000 They're always doing it.

00:28:55.000 It's a small minority.

00:28:56.000 It's not a big community.

00:28:58.000 Then there's those that wake up because those guys inspired them to want to fight.

00:29:03.000 So you inspire millions to want to fight and they join your fight, right?

00:29:07.000 Then there's those that are sitting there not doing anything.

00:29:13.000 But then once the bully starts bullying the people that can no longer fight for themselves, then those guys wake up.

00:29:19.000 You do not want to wake up those guys.

00:29:21.000 They're waking up those guys.

00:29:22.000 Those guys don't play around. 0.98

00:29:24.000 Those guys are going to wake up, and they're fighting each other.

00:29:27.000 More and more people are coming together.

00:29:29.000 Like, we just had a conference last week with Tom Brady.

00:29:31.000 We had it at the Evolve conference at the Diplomat.

00:29:34.000 3,000 people from 60-plus countries showed up from different industries.

00:29:38.000 And we went through a 200 page manual on how to run a business, scale, raise money, all this stuff.

00:29:42.000 It's purely an entrepreneurship audience that we have.

00:29:45.000 But then you would be amazed how many of them are wanting to talk policies.

00:29:51.000 Small business owners.

00:29:52.000 Here's what's going on in my state.

00:29:53.000 Here's what's going on in my country.

00:29:55.000 More people are looking at this message and saying, this is what I need more of right now because they're controlling me in XYZ or such and such place.

00:30:05.000 And you wake up those types of people and they find each other.

00:30:08.000 We the people have a great track record.

00:30:10.000 They win.

00:30:11.000 But unfortunately, before they win, a lot of people get destroyed before they end up rising up and winning.

00:30:16.000 So you seem a lot more optimistic than a lot of the people that I talk to.

00:30:20.000 Obviously, we look at our politics and it seems like things are pretty broken.

00:30:24.000 I mean, the next election cycle, it looks like right now, if you had to put money on it, it looks like Trump versus Biden, which means a recast of 2020.

00:30:30.000 You have a president who does not appear to be mentally there and who is You know, pretty clearly in bed with his son and their corruption problems.

00:30:38.000 And then then you have another presidential candidate who is deeply unpopular by every polling statistic with the American people and who has a bunch of legal issues hanging over his head going into the election.

00:30:49.000 And it seems like a lot of Americans are both simultaneously enervated by this.

00:30:54.000 They're just not that interested, but also really upset about it because they're both discouraged.

00:30:58.000 Because is this a thing I really want to go through again?

00:31:01.000 But at the same time, they're really ticked.

00:31:03.000 I mean, it's not going to be pretty.

00:31:04.000 It's going to get nasty and it's going to get nastier by the month.

00:31:06.000 Every month goes by, it's going to get uglier and uglier and uglier.

00:31:08.000 that seems to be rising, where no matter who wins, half the country is going to be ragingly

00:31:14.000 upset about it.

00:31:15.000 How do you think the election is going to go, and what do you make of it?

00:31:17.000 I mean, it's not going to be pretty.

00:31:18.000 It's going to get nasty, and it's going to get nastier by the month.

00:31:20.000 Every month goes by, it's going to get uglier and uglier and uglier.

00:31:24.000 Unfortunately, on the right, no one has figured out a way on the right to connect emotionally

00:31:30.000 with the voter than maybe one candidate has been able to connect with the voter emotionally.

00:31:36.000 I would put Vivek at the top emotionally.

00:31:39.000 Put Trump aside for a second, right, as an alternative.

00:31:41.000 You've got Vivek at the top that knows how to sell the dream.

00:31:44.000 He doesn't say no to anybody.

00:31:46.000 He'll go to the enemy.

00:31:47.000 He will not just go sit down with people that agree with him.

00:31:50.000 He'll go to anybody.

00:31:51.000 He'll go to Pacman.

00:31:52.000 He'll go to Lemon.

00:31:53.000 He'll go to CNN, MSNBC.

00:31:56.000 If you're willing to have him, he'll come talk to you, and he'll stand toe-to-toe.

00:32:01.000 We respect that.

00:32:02.000 We value that because we don't have that with our current president.

00:32:05.000 Our current president will only sit with people that agree with him.

00:32:08.000 So did Obama.

00:32:08.000 He only sat with people that agree with him.

00:32:11.000 And so you look at this and say, OK, I respect the fact that Vivek is doing this.

00:32:14.000 Now, is America ready for a president to be Hindu? 1.00

00:32:17.000 When we did our town hall, somebody asked him the question.

00:32:19.000 He gave his answer.

00:32:20.000 And Shamat shared that video yesterday for the audience to kind of think, hey, if he can give this kind of answer and he can win people over at this point, maybe he has a shot.

00:32:29.000 Then he got Nikki Haley that connected emotionally with women. 0.90

00:32:32.000 At the debate, I thought it was a very good move what she did, and the way she did it, she got the support of the people that are pro-abortion, that are pro-choice, that are pro-life, that are younger, older.

00:32:43.000 I thought her messaging of connecting with that audience was exceptional on what she did.

00:32:48.000 I'm not a Nikki Haley person.

00:32:50.000 I don't wake up and say, cannot wait to go campaign for Nikki Haley, but I respect the person that gets up and gives a great argument.

00:32:55.000 She did that. 0.99

00:32:56.000 Uh, DeSantis needs to sell America better.

00:32:58.000 He needs to be better at persuading and getting people to win them over.

00:33:02.000 I feel like DeSantis, sometimes when you watch him talk, I get a feeling he's walking on eggshells and no one knows why he's walking on eggshells.

00:33:10.000 Maybe it's because of himself.

00:33:12.000 Maybe it's because his entire life he's had to be perfect because he's been following this trajectory of one day being a president.

00:33:18.000 God forbid he makes that one mistake.

00:33:19.000 And if he does, it's going to come back and they're going to share it with other people and all this other, he's afraid of it, right?

00:33:25.000 And then you have, Trump, who is the complete opposite of DeSantis, he could care less.

00:33:30.000 Matter of fact, he's disappointed if you don't bring up that one girl he was with 40 years ago.

00:33:34.000 How dare you forget about that one or this one?

00:33:36.000 You should bring the other one up and, you know, the stories about him potentially leaking the pictures of his wife, how a very different kind of a guy, like imagine you doing that and say, look at my picture, my wife and I, how beautiful.

00:33:46.000 It's just insane, right?

00:33:47.000 It's so unorthodox, but unfortunately, you're living in a time where The challenge that we have, Ben, is you and I don't get to pick and choose.

00:34:00.000 We get to vote for them.

00:34:02.000 But, you know, the perfect world of one, you know, America needs another Ronald Reagan.

00:34:08.000 OK, great.

00:34:09.000 You keep waiting for that guy.

00:34:10.000 Or did you really read Reagan's story?

00:34:13.000 Do you remember where Reagan was when his daughter was born?

00:34:15.000 Have you read the books?

00:34:16.000 You think Reagan walked on water? 1.00

00:34:18.000 Was Reagan the guy that was like the second coming of Jesus?

00:34:21.000 Is that what we put as the standard?

00:34:22.000 You know what happens when people put a standard of Reagan being perfect?

00:34:25.000 Here's what it does.

00:34:27.000 It makes the next generation say, I'm not going to run because I'll never reach at his level.

00:34:31.000 Versus saying we all have flaws.

00:34:32.000 We all have mistakes.

00:34:33.000 It actually inspires more people to want to get in the rink instead of wanting to just be such a perfect person to go want to run.

00:34:38.000 No, I remember when I went to a church, I went through 27 churches until I found one that I can go to.

00:34:44.000 Every church I went to, the standard was perfection.

00:34:47.000 Walking on water.

00:34:48.000 Ben, you're going to hell for all the sins you've committed, and if you don't, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:53.000 I remember one time I sat down with a guy, and I'm 22 years old.

00:34:57.000 I'm dating a girl from Hollywood, and she's beautiful, and he's part of this church called the Los Angeles Church of Christ, that eventually the guy came out and says we're a cult, because they said the only way you can go to heaven is through our church.

00:35:08.000 So I'm meeting this guy, Edward.

00:35:10.000 And we're sitting there, he says, uh, so let me ask you a question.

00:35:12.000 I said, yeah. 0.93

00:35:13.000 He says, uh, when's the last time you and your girlfriend had sex?

00:35:16.000 I said, right before this meeting.

00:35:18.000 He says, you're serious?

00:35:19.000 I said, yeah.

00:35:20.000 I said, I'm not a Christian.

00:35:21.000 I said, just right before we had, just we came out, you know, we're clean, we wash our hands, but right now we're here with you.

00:35:27.000 And he says, uh, wow, you're not going to go to heaven.

00:35:30.000 I said, really?

00:35:31.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 Wow.

00:35:33.000 It's pretty bad.

00:35:33.000 I'm not going to make it to heaven.

00:35:35.000 He says, if you want, you have to stop having sex right now. 0.89

00:35:38.000 I'm 22 years old.

00:35:39.000 My entire life, I've lived a set, a set of standards that has nothing to do with a faith, right?

00:35:45.000 So this guy wants to get me to suddenly like this, go drop all my habits and all this other stuff.

00:35:50.000 Now I'm like, you know what?

00:35:51.000 I'm good.

00:35:51.000 I step away.

00:35:52.000 I leave.

00:35:54.000 You know what happens two years later?

00:35:55.000 Watch what happens two years later.

00:35:57.000 Same girl I'm with.

00:35:58.000 I want to get married.

00:35:59.000 I want to have a wife and kids.

00:36:01.000 And my entire dream since I was six years old was to be a father.

00:36:04.000 I had a family that was messy, so we never had stability in the family.

00:36:09.000 So at 24 years old, that same girl that he asked us the question, I go up to her one night and I said, hey, I want us to go a month without having sex.

00:36:18.000 She said, what do you mean?

00:36:19.000 I said, I want to know if we're together because we get along and we love each other is because of the sex.

00:36:25.000 She says, you're joking.

00:36:26.000 I said, I'm not.

00:36:28.000 One month later, we broke up.

00:36:31.000 She's happily married right now with a couple of kids.

00:36:33.000 I'm happily married right now with four kids.

00:36:35.000 It's good to go.

00:36:36.000 We moved on, right?

00:36:37.000 What's the moral of the story?

00:36:39.000 Then, through a certain set of events in my life, I chose to give my life to Christ, then I became a Christian, then I chose to change my life with alcohol, the stuff, the lifestyle, the clubbing, the Hollywood, all that stuff, and then boom!

00:36:52.000 I went a different route.

00:36:53.000 Okay, my life changed.

00:36:54.000 Today, God's grace, blessings, super happy.

00:36:57.000 I don't walk on water.

00:36:58.000 I make a lot of mistakes.

00:37:00.000 I'm not the one that's going to go out there, you know, saying everything that's the right time all the time.

00:37:04.000 I watch Ron and I say this guy would make one hell of a president, but he gets in his own way.

00:37:09.000 So when you look at the candidates and the people that we have.

00:37:13.000 Unfortunately, there isn't anybody right now that's getting the kind of stuff where people want them to run instead of Trump.

00:37:19.000 As much as you say anything you want to say about Trump, or a lot of people do, they were at, what, 48-44, whatever the number was, 48-42, and now it's, what, 64-18, you know, him and DeSantis, where the separation is getting wider and wider and wider, so you know it's going to end up being Trump.

00:37:33.000 I think what America is saying to us right now, whether you agree with them or not, not you, the people that are watching, whether you agree with them or not, The ones that voted for Trump, or the ones that didn't, but they can't stand what Biden is doing, they're like, look man, how many times you gotta get after this guy?

00:37:54.000 Let's just say a person says, I voted for Hillary, right? 0.96

00:37:57.000 But I know Hillary's got a lot of stuff up. 0.99

00:37:59.000 You know, I mean, we know the documentary they made about Hillary and Bill Clinton called House of Cards.

00:38:03.000 I don't know if you ever watch a documentary on Netflix.

00:38:05.000 It's a show.

00:38:06.000 If you've never seen House of Cards, have you seen it?

00:38:08.000 Yes, that I have seen.

00:38:09.000 Incredible, right?

00:38:10.000 Obviously, it's a show.

00:38:11.000 It's a series.

00:38:12.000 But in other words, it's a documentary, right?

00:38:16.000 And you watch it and you say, where did they get these stories from?

00:38:19.000 Is there an example of somebody that did this?

00:38:22.000 You know, did somebody live a life like this for you to want to write this?

00:38:25.000 And then Kevin Spacey plays the part, and then Kevin Spacey is playing the guy that's the closest guy to Bill Clinton, who's a charmer, and his wife later on.

00:38:35.000 Kind of interesting when you watch that stuff, right?

00:38:37.000 So some people are saying, look, that guy's not perfect.

00:38:40.000 But you know what?

00:38:40.000 I'm sick of the other side.

00:38:42.000 It's no longer about Democrat against Republican right now.

00:38:44.000 It's about anti-establishment against establishment.

00:38:48.000 And I'm not supporting establishment right now.

00:38:49.000 I'm going to vote the anti-establishment side.

00:38:52.000 I think that side of the anti-establishment community.

00:38:56.000 is going to want to do something to wake up and vote against the establishment.

00:39:00.000 That's what I think is going to be happening.

00:39:01.000 Now, obviously no one is going to know what's going to happen in the next 16 months.

00:39:03.000 A lot of people don't want this guy to run, but we're going to see what happens in the next 16 months.

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00:40:13.000 Obviously not going to hold you to it because nobody can make a prediction this far out, or as it turns out at all.

00:40:18.000 But if you were a betting man, where would you put your money, Trump or Biden, at this point?

00:40:22.000 I'm going to put it on the establishment using every single play out of their playbook possible to prevent him from running.

00:40:34.000 They've demonized him.

00:40:35.000 They first went after him and the girls.

00:40:37.000 You know, Karen McDougal, Stormy Daniels, it's like, yeah.

00:40:41.000 It's my entire life.

00:40:42.000 I'm going to be okay.

00:40:42.000 You guys forgot 88 other girls, but it's fine.

00:40:44.000 You're not a good research team.

00:40:46.000 I would have done a better research than you would.

00:40:47.000 He's probably saying this in his mind.

00:40:49.000 Oh, we're going to go after his steak business went out.

00:40:52.000 He went out of business.

00:40:53.000 That steak business.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 What a terrible businessman.

00:40:55.000 And he's just a horrible businessman. 0.91

00:40:57.000 He never got, you know, his billions he made, he got, he got lucky.

00:41:00.000 Okay.

00:41:00.000 Yeah.

00:41:01.000 Okay, cool.

00:41:01.000 All right.

00:41:02.000 We're going to go after, you know, the fact that he's on a stirred marriage.

00:41:06.000 No problem.

00:41:07.000 No, we're going to go after his kids.

00:41:09.000 He's actually got pretty good kids, even Hillary Clinton said he's got.

00:41:11.000 We're going to go after the fact that, you know, this guy had a book that was written by someone else that's been on the bestseller list for a couple of days.

00:41:19.000 We're going to go after the fact that on TV his show flopped.

00:41:21.000 No, no, that was Arnold who flopped after he tried to do The Apprentice and nobody was interested in Arnold saying you're fired.

00:41:28.000 They wanted Trump to fire you.

00:41:30.000 Nobody wanted Arnold to fire you.

00:41:32.000 And then all of a sudden, He puts everything in their face.

00:41:35.000 Fake news, fake this, fake that.

00:41:38.000 So, I think we've seen a glimpse of what they've done to him, demonizing him.

00:41:42.000 I think they're about to take that to a whole different level.

00:41:44.000 What happens there, who knows?

00:41:46.000 But I think the demonizing phase is going to go to the next level.

00:41:48.000 So, they're going to do their part.

00:41:50.000 Now, sometimes what I think happens, which is an interesting thing when it comes down to war or choosing your enemies wisely, it's a book that's coming out December 5th, is sometimes You know, everybody has an enemy.

00:42:05.000 You got an enemy.

00:42:06.000 I got an enemy.

00:42:07.000 He has an enemy.

00:42:07.000 Trump has an enemy.

00:42:08.000 Biden has an enemy.

00:42:09.000 The average voter has an enemy.

00:42:10.000 The small liquor store, you know, down the street here has got an enemy.

00:42:14.000 Everybody's got an enemy, right?

00:42:17.000 Sometimes you choose the wrong enemy, and the enemy can steal a decade or two away from you.

00:42:25.000 I think Republicans chose the wrong enemy, and they've screwed up the last 20 years.

00:42:28.000 I think Republicans totally missed the mark.

00:42:30.000 They had such a big opportunity.

00:42:32.000 They royally screwed up.

00:42:34.000 I think Republicans lost. 0.99

00:42:35.000 I think Christians lost. 1.00

00:42:37.000 I think church-going people lost.

00:42:40.000 I think libertarians lost.

00:42:41.000 I think that community lost royally.

00:42:44.000 And I'll explain to you how they lost.

00:42:46.000 You know, for the longest time I would pray for four things.

00:42:49.000 Courage, wisdom, tolerance, understanding.

00:42:51.000 Okay?

00:42:52.000 And I'm having a hard time praying for tolerance right now.

00:42:55.000 Because to me everything's about being intolerant to the madness and what they're doing.

00:42:59.000 Tolerance has been a good word. 0.77

00:43:01.000 I can't pray for tolerance right now.

00:43:03.000 Because if you pray for tolerance, God's going to put stuff in your life to be tolerant.

00:43:07.000 And I'm like, no, no, I don't want to be tolerant to this.

00:43:10.000 I have to be intolerant to this in my own respectful way.

00:43:13.000 OK, cool.

00:43:14.000 So Christians have been way too tolerant. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Church going, it's OK.

00:43:19.000 It's OK.

00:43:20.000 You want to be that way?

00:43:22.000 The Bible was written like that two years ago.

00:43:24.000 Not today.

00:43:25.000 It's OK.

00:43:26.000 It's OK.

00:43:27.000 Christians, right? 0.99

00:43:28.000 Then you got the scared, the pansy, the soft, the lazy Republicans. 0.99

00:43:33.000 You know why soft and lazy?

00:43:34.000 These are guys that made their money, that are living in Palm Beach, and they're afraid to get criticized.

00:43:40.000 Let me just join the country club and be invited to all my liberal parties and kind of act like I'm also as well, you know, such and such was Obama was a good president, generally a good person.

00:43:49.000 We're being invited to the party, babe.

00:43:51.000 We'll keep voting the other way.

00:43:52.000 Make sure nobody knows.

00:43:53.000 Hey, kids, we keep it a secret as a family.

00:43:55.000 We watch Fox, but you know what?

00:43:57.000 Tell everybody we watch CNN.

00:43:58.000 Okay.

00:43:59.000 Those guys are scared.

00:44:00.000 And what do they make their investments into?

00:44:02.000 Let's buy more hotels.

00:44:04.000 Let's buy more real estate. 0.88

00:44:06.000 Let's give our money to these other guys. 0.99

00:44:07.000 Let them invest the money for us.

00:44:09.000 Okay, you missed the mark on buying media companies.

00:44:12.000 You missed the mark on buying New York Times, buying L.A.

00:44:15.000 Times.

00:44:16.000 You could have bought WaPo.

00:44:17.000 You could have bought Time Magazine.

00:44:18.000 You could have bought Fortune.

00:44:19.000 You could have bought Forbes Magazine.

00:44:20.000 You could have bought all of these guys, but you didn't, and they did.

00:44:23.000 You could have bought Vice.

00:44:25.000 You could have bought so many different things.

00:44:26.000 They keep picking it up left and right.

00:44:28.000 You're fighting.

00:44:29.000 They have the resources.

00:44:31.000 They're not buying those things up.

00:44:32.000 Okay.

00:44:33.000 Then the last one is the libertarians who say things like, listen to each to his own.

00:44:37.000 You know, as long as you don't bother me, I don't bother you.

00:44:41.000 Do whatever you want to do.

00:44:42.000 I'm okay with it.

00:44:43.000 And libertarians kept empowering the other side.

00:44:45.000 Because they're like, well, since you're okay, can I also teach this to your kid?

00:44:50.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:44:51.000 I never said yes to this, but it's too late because for the last 15 years they said you're a libertarian.

00:44:55.000 To each his own.

00:44:57.000 Now I want to get a hold of your kid.

00:44:58.000 I never said this is okay.

00:44:59.000 Okay.

00:45:00.000 But now they're there.

00:45:01.000 So what are you going to do about it now?

00:45:02.000 Well, the fight is officially real.

00:45:06.000 So going back to the enemy, Sometimes you think you have a strategy that's going to destroy your enemy, but it's going to strengthen your enemy.

00:45:14.000 And that's what they're doing to Trump.

00:45:16.000 They're thinking what they're doing is hurting him, but it's getting more people to say, you know what?

00:45:22.000 I don't like what you're doing to her.

00:45:23.000 You and I can be at a restaurant.

00:45:27.000 Husband and wife are fighting, OK?

00:45:30.000 And we'll try to mind our own business.

00:45:32.000 OK, it's a bad fight they're having over there. 0.74

00:45:34.000 And then it can be either sex to the other.

00:45:36.000 And you hear the wife say something like this. 1.00

00:45:39.000 The wife will say, you're the worst husband in the world. 1.00

00:45:43.000 You're the worst father in the world. 1.00

00:45:45.000 I should have married John. 1.00

00:45:47.000 I don't know why I married you.

00:45:49.000 My mom was right.

00:45:50.000 Marrying you was a waste of time.

00:45:52.000 When I saw you, I saw my dad.

00:45:54.000 I should have never married and made the same mistake my mom made.

00:45:57.000 I'm like, man, those are pretty hard words.

00:45:58.000 And he says, babe, but I love you, babe.

00:46:00.000 I work two jobs.

00:46:01.000 I'm doing my best and I love you.

00:46:03.000 I want to do everything I can to make, and she keeps going, belittling this man, right? 0.76

00:46:09.000 So from a distance while they're fighting, when we can't hear it, maybe we're taking the wife's side.

00:46:16.000 And all of a sudden we go a little here.

00:46:17.000 We're like, Oh my God, I feel bad for the man.

00:46:21.000 You know what?

00:46:22.000 I'm going to support him.

00:46:24.000 That's what's happening with Trump.

00:46:26.000 There are people that from the outside want to hate Trump, but they're watching what the other side is all of a sudden doing to them.

00:46:34.000 And as they're getting closer and closer and closer, like, That's not cool what you're doing to the guy, man.

00:46:40.000 I don't like that.

00:46:41.000 Beat him fair and square. 0.86

00:46:42.000 Don't use the weapon against him. 0.54

00:46:43.000 You want to do something like that?

00:46:44.000 Hate to say, I've never in a million years that I think I'm going to support a guy like that, but now I am because I don't like the way you're treating him.

00:46:50.000 So, we are Americans.

00:46:53.000 We like redemption.

00:46:54.000 We like forgiveness.

00:46:55.000 We want to see you fall, Ben.

00:46:57.000 You have no idea how bad people want to see you fall.

00:46:59.000 But when you fall, you know what people want to see Ben do?

00:47:01.000 They want to see you rise up and redeem yourself.

00:47:04.000 That's the story of America. 0.71

00:47:06.000 It's you go from zero to hero.

00:47:09.000 You're the man.

00:47:09.000 But man, let's get him to fall.

00:47:11.000 Boom! 0.99

00:47:11.000 To zero. 0.99

00:47:12.000 But then the redemption is ten times bigger than what it was to be the hero.

00:47:15.000 So I don't know.

00:47:16.000 I think we don't get to pick and choose our hero sometimes.

00:47:19.000 I don't think they're...

00:47:21.000 They fit a mold or box that we want.

00:47:24.000 This person needs to be this, and this, and this, and this, and this.

00:47:27.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:47:28.000 Churchill wasn't that way.

00:47:30.000 Many of the characters in the Bible weren't that way.

00:47:32.000 Paul's resume wasn't that way.

00:47:33.000 Salt to Paul to do what he did.

00:47:35.000 So I can't give you the exact answer on who I think it's going to be.

00:47:39.000 I think the level of deceptiveness and dirt is going to go to levels we've never seen before.

00:47:44.000 So the market favors deception, but history favors we the people.

00:47:51.000 So as you were kind of talking about that and talking about the fact that the market does favor deception, one of the big problems obviously is that post-election, at least as I mentioned, half the country is not just going to be angry.

00:48:03.000 They're going to believe that the election was rigged.

00:48:05.000 If Trump loses, the entire right is going to believe that the election was rigged, largely because the media are the way that they are, because of the legal cases against Trump.

00:48:13.000 And also because Trump has been saying for several years that the last election was rigged.

00:48:16.000 So everything is primed on the right for that possibility, that if Trump loses, the right is going to explode because they're going to believe that it was stolen.

00:48:22.000 On the other side, the left is actually, well, they're lying about this.

00:48:26.000 Very often the left will say, no, no, we believe in elections, but they only believe in elections when it's convenient for them to believe in elections.

00:48:30.000 When Stacey Abrams gets defeated in Georgia, she's still the legit governor of Georgia until she actually gets destroyed by Brian Kemp in the latest gubernatorial election. 0.99

00:48:38.000 Hillary, of course, Never really lost.

00:48:39.000 Hillary was defeated by the Russians.

00:48:41.000 She's still the president.

00:48:42.000 Right, she's still the president. 1.00

00:48:43.000 Exactly.

00:48:44.000 And so if Biden were to lose, then the idea would be that somehow something deeply unjust

00:48:48.000 has happened and you'd have explosion on the other side, which raises the question as to

00:48:52.000 whether the country can actually survive under these conditions.

00:48:55.000 I don't mean that there's going to be full-scale civil war with people going up against each

00:48:59.000 But it does mean that the sort of roiling turmoil where people don't want to live anywhere near each other, don't want to be with each other, don't want to be sharing a common standard of American-ness, that feels like that's falling away and that's being, that feels like an exponential increase.

00:49:13.000 I think that's largely happening at the elite level, and I think it's bleeding down to the population level.

00:49:17.000 But, you know, where do you see that going?

00:49:20.000 Is there any way for people to come back together?

00:49:21.000 You ever read the book Barbarians to Bureaucrats written by Lawrence Miller?

00:49:24.000 No.

00:49:25.000 It's a book written 30 years ago.

00:49:26.000 I called the author.

00:49:27.000 I'm like, can I buy the book from you?

00:49:28.000 It's such a great book.

00:49:31.000 But he was not a good marketer, so a lot of people didn't read it.

00:49:34.000 Here's what he talks about.

00:49:34.000 He talks about How the evolution of different societies, organizations, companies, countries that they go through.

00:49:41.000 Here's how it works.

00:49:41.000 First, you have the prophet.

00:49:43.000 The prophet's the founding father, okay?

00:49:46.000 Who's the founding father of Daily Wire?

00:49:48.000 Is it you and Jeremy?

00:49:49.000 Yeah.

00:49:49.000 Okay, so you guys are the founding fathers of Daily Wire.

00:49:52.000 Okay, so founding fathers of America.

00:49:54.000 Okay, you got Washington, Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, all these guys, right?

00:49:57.000 Okay.

00:49:58.000 Then, the Founding Fathers, the next phase, attract barbarians. 0.94

00:50:02.000 Sometimes you are the barbarian. 0.77

00:50:04.000 Sometimes Jeremy's the barbarian.

00:50:06.000 But somebody comes in us like, let's go take market share.

00:50:09.000 Let's go build it.

00:50:10.000 Let's go build this incredible society in America.

00:50:13.000 Let's go win the war.

00:50:14.000 Let's go win the fight. 1.00

00:50:15.000 They're fighters.

00:50:15.000 They're barbarians.

00:50:16.000 They're fiending for a fight, right?

00:50:18.000 So prophets attract barbarians. 0.51

00:50:20.000 Prophet Cassavision, Steve Jobs, we're different.

00:50:23.000 Apple, let's go after IBM.

00:50:24.000 Barbarians show up. 0.98

00:50:26.000 Jobs is also a barbarian.

00:50:28.000 After Barbarians, you attract builders and explorers.

00:50:30.000 Let's build technology.

00:50:32.000 Let's build a headquarters.

00:50:33.000 Let's build a team.

00:50:35.000 Let's build apartments.

00:50:36.000 Let's build system flows.

00:50:38.000 Let's do this.

00:50:38.000 Let's do that.

00:50:39.000 What about this?

00:50:39.000 What about that?

00:50:41.000 So you've got profit attracts barbarians, attracts builders, and let's go into that market. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Let's expand internationally.

00:50:47.000 Let's expand into this market, right?

00:50:48.000 So profit, barbarian, explorer, builder, explorer.

00:50:52.000 Then comes administrator.

00:50:53.000 Let's start making some rules and guidelines, and let's have certain protocols that you can't do this, and before you do this, you have to do this, and you have to get that approved, and you've got to get this, and you've got to get that.

00:51:03.000 A 13-page tax code becomes 80,000 pages, right?

00:51:07.000 A small little handbook in NHL after 1972 Philadelphia Flyers becomes 400 pages because these guys were just destroying everybody.

00:51:15.000 So then after the administrator shows up the bureaucrats and aristocrats.

00:51:20.000 These are the, you know, I'm above you, smarter.

00:51:23.000 I know what's best for you, Ben.

00:51:25.000 I went to the right school.

00:51:26.000 I have the right last name.

00:51:27.000 I'm going to make the decisions for you because I know what's good for you, Ben.

00:51:30.000 Trust me.

00:51:31.000 You're going to follow my lead because I'm a bureaucrat.

00:51:34.000 I'm an aristocrat.

00:51:35.000 I work out of a high building.

00:51:37.000 You can't come too close to me.

00:51:38.000 You have to talk through 14 layers before you get a hold of me.

00:51:41.000 There's no way you can talk to me, message me, any of that stuff.

00:51:43.000 So that's that, right?

00:51:45.000 So obviously America right now is at what phase?

00:51:47.000 Bureaucrats and aristocrats.

00:51:49.000 Exactly where we're at.

00:51:50.000 Do you know what he talks about in the book on how to save that society from a downfall?

00:51:54.000 So this is how it goes.

00:51:55.000 Administrator, bureaucrats, aristocrats, it's right here.

00:51:58.000 He says the only way to prevent this thing from falling, many empires have fallen.

00:52:02.000 You go back 70 years out of the Fortune 500 companies, you know, 70 years, only 50 of

00:52:08.000 them are still in it.

00:52:09.000 So it's like, and they go out of business, you know, the other 450 went out of business.

00:52:13.000 A synergist has to show up.

00:52:16.000 What's the job of a synergist?

00:52:17.000 Here's a job of a synergist, okay?

00:52:20.000 A synergist has to go back and say, remember what we built this great country on.

00:52:25.000 Remember all the things we overcame.

00:52:28.000 we overcame how many assassination attempts on our presidents, Lincoln.

00:52:32.000 Kennedy, Reagan, remember what we've overcome as a nation.

00:52:37.000 Remember when Bobby Kennedy gave the speech minutes after MLK got shot?

00:52:42.000 And how is it that he was giving the speech after a black man got shot?

00:52:46.000 He's getting up there.

00:52:47.000 The only person that could relate to a black man was a white man talking about how his brother was shot and killed by another white man.

00:52:54.000 And that messaging was like, oh my God, we kind of found each other.

00:52:57.000 How is this guy able to get me to mourn through the challenges I'm facing with MLK?

00:53:03.000 And are you kidding me?

00:53:04.000 Man, that's pretty wild.

00:53:06.000 And then Reagan gets shot, you're in the hospital and says, hey, Doc, are you Republican or Democrat?

00:53:11.000 And he says, today, Mr. President, we're all Republicans, right?

00:53:14.000 These funny stories and history that we have on how we went from nothing Why do we come over here?

00:53:21.000 What were we fighting?

00:53:22.000 Why do we start America?

00:53:23.000 What happened to America?

00:53:25.000 Is it getting worse?

00:53:26.000 Is it getting better?

00:53:27.000 Who's pitching the story that it's getting worse?

00:53:29.000 Do we not have 90% of values and principles that we share in common?

00:53:33.000 Who all of a sudden try to pin us against each other?

00:53:35.000 Why are they doing it?

00:53:36.000 What is the job of an enemy?

00:53:38.000 You think the enemy wants America to stay united or divided?

00:53:41.000 The enemy wants America to be the divided states of America, not the United States.

00:53:45.000 But we have to be aware of this.

00:53:47.000 And more of us have to synergize.

00:53:50.000 Today, I don't know if it pays to be a synergist.

00:53:54.000 I think it pays to be a divider today.

00:53:56.000 If you're a divider, you get more eyeballs.

00:53:58.000 If you're a divider, you get more shares.

00:54:00.000 If you're a divider, you get more, let me just buy my camp.

00:54:04.000 Let me just win my camp over.

00:54:06.000 Let me get them to get the next thing that's going to go, my God, look, did you hear what he said?

00:54:10.000 Let me just convert them versus, no, can I push back my own camp?

00:54:12.000 Hey guys, can I give you my side?

00:54:14.000 I think our side needs to consider X, Y, Z a little bit.

00:54:17.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:54:17.000 Like the other day, I'll never forget this conversation I had with a bunch of different conservatives.

00:54:22.000 I said, look, um, How do you feel about Muslims and Christians?

00:54:27.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, where are you going with this?

00:54:28.000 I said, okay.

00:54:31.000 We can have the religion debate.

00:54:34.000 No problem.

00:54:35.000 I said, you notice that you can't talk smack about Muslim religion?

00:54:37.000 What happens if you do? 0.94

00:54:39.000 They'll push back, they're rowdy, they're this, they're that.

00:54:41.000 Okay.

00:54:42.000 You ever study why Muslims vote Democratic? 0.98

00:54:45.000 Why do they vote Democrat?

00:54:47.000 A true Muslim's values and principles, nothing matches On the liberal side. 1.00

00:54:55.000 So why do they vote that way?

00:54:57.000 Because what?

00:54:58.000 Oh, because the Republican Party is pro-Israel. 0.70

00:55:02.000 Got it.

00:55:03.000 Fair. 0.69

00:55:04.000 Shocking Muslim community and Christians. 1.00

00:55:06.000 Let's have a conversation. 0.99

00:55:08.000 Muslims.

00:55:09.000 Question.

00:55:10.000 From a Christian man who lived in a country, Iran, that's a Muslim country for 10 years, who a lot of my friends were Muslim, Islam, I'm totally fine.

00:55:17.000 We had good relationships together.

00:55:19.000 Let's set aside that Republicans are pro-Israel.

00:55:22.000 Let's set that part aside for a second.

00:55:24.000 No problem.

00:55:25.000 Tell me about how you feel about your kids being indoctrinated with LGBTQ. 1.00

00:55:30.000 Oh, zero.

00:55:31.000 Zero?

00:55:31.000 Okay, we're on the same page.

00:55:33.000 Okay, what else you got?

00:55:35.000 Family.

00:55:36.000 Do you guys believe in getting four, five, six divorces?

00:55:39.000 Oh, no.

00:55:40.000 So you believe in family principles?

00:55:42.000 Yes.

00:55:43.000 Okay, boom.

00:55:43.000 Okay.

00:55:44.000 Do you believe kids respect their parents and all?

00:55:47.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:55:47.000 Okay, cool.

00:55:48.000 By the way, we're 3-4-3 so far.

00:55:50.000 Okay, what else?

00:55:52.000 Do you believe?

00:55:53.000 That the kids are the parents' kids, not the state's kids.

00:55:56.000 Do you believe that?

00:55:57.000 Do you believe this?

00:55:58.000 Do you believe that?

00:55:59.000 Yes.

00:56:00.000 You realize we got about 15 things that we agree on, okay?

00:56:03.000 We don't agree with your religion. 1.00

00:56:05.000 We believe in Jesus.

00:56:06.000 You believe in Abraham.

00:56:07.000 We believe in L. Ron Hubbard.

00:56:08.000 That guy believes in Joseph Smith.

00:56:10.000 This guy believes in that guy.

00:56:11.000 You believe in Mohammed. 0.99

00:56:12.000 No problem.

00:56:13.000 Let's set that debate aside for a friendly debate to get 20 million views on YouTube.

00:56:18.000 It's cool.

00:56:18.000 We can have that debate.

00:56:19.000 By the way, just so you know, all of us are working on faith.

00:56:23.000 None of us are working on 100%.

00:56:24.000 Not Christians. 1.00

00:56:26.000 Not Jews. 1.00

00:56:28.000 Not Muslims. 1.00

00:56:29.000 Not LDS. 1.00

00:56:30.000 Nobody.

00:56:31.000 Everyone's dealing on faith.

00:56:33.000 We're all dealing off of faith, right?

00:56:35.000 Okay.

00:56:35.000 Well, yeah, but we believe more than you guys believe.

00:56:38.000 Fine.

00:56:38.000 But we all have to have faith.

00:56:39.000 Yes?

00:56:40.000 Yes.

00:56:40.000 Do you know exactly what happens if you die?

00:56:42.000 I have faith.

00:56:42.000 I understand I have faith too.

00:56:43.000 And I think this is what's going to happen.

00:56:45.000 My gamble is this gamble.

00:56:46.000 Your gamble is a different gamble.

00:56:47.000 Your gamble is a different gamble.

00:56:50.000 But we have 15 different things that we agree on.

00:56:52.000 Why don't we come together and instead of being Democrat or Republican, why don't we be anti-establishment, pro-family?

00:57:01.000 Why don't we sit down and have that conversation together?

00:57:04.000 Well, you know, I don't know.

00:57:08.000 I get it.

00:57:09.000 All I'm saying is, let's come together and talk and synergize.

00:57:13.000 We can compartmentalize and isolate different issues.

00:57:16.000 Meaning, you're a White Sox guy.

00:57:19.000 I'm a Yankees guy.

00:57:21.000 Okay?

00:57:22.000 Ozzy Guillen.

00:57:23.000 Mickey Mantle.

00:57:24.000 Yesterday, my kids, we watched the movie 61.

00:57:26.000 I don't know if you've seen the movie.

00:57:27.000 It's a sick movie.

00:57:28.000 And by the way, they look just like Mickey and they look just like me, right? 0.73

00:57:32.000 M&M Corporation, all this stuff.

00:57:34.000 And then I'm, you know, talking about how spiritual baseball is.

00:57:37.000 In 1961, they break the record with 61 home runs, and the next time the 61 record is broken is exactly 61 years later, in 2022, by, you know, a judge hits 62.

00:57:49.000 Are you kidding me?

00:57:50.000 God loves baseball, right?

00:57:51.000 And we're having this conversation.

00:57:54.000 But brother, we got so many things we agree on.

00:57:57.000 Let's sit down and we break bread.

00:57:58.000 So I don't think that synergizing message is being given.

00:58:02.000 So to go back to your point of, Pat, what do you think is going to happen with America?

00:58:05.000 It's going to be a mess.

00:58:06.000 It's going to be this.

00:58:07.000 It's going to be that.

00:58:07.000 I totally agree.

00:58:09.000 But to do that, I think the enemy has to change.

00:58:12.000 I don't think Republicans I don't think Democrats, I don't think the voters have chosen the right enemy.

00:58:20.000 I don't think the right enemy is the Republican.

00:58:22.000 I don't think the right enemy is the Democrat.

00:58:25.000 I don't think.

00:58:25.000 Used to think.

00:58:26.000 I don't think today.

00:58:27.000 I think today the enemy is the person that thinks what's best for you all the time.

00:58:31.000 That's my job, right?

00:58:32.000 I'm an adult.

00:58:34.000 For our kids, we both have four kids.

00:58:35.000 It's our job on what's best for our kids.

00:58:37.000 Not anybody else's job, but ours, right?

00:58:39.000 We get to raise them the way we want to raise them.

00:58:41.000 Great.

00:58:42.000 If we identify The enemy the right way, and we realize it's the establishment, the people of power who want to control us and tell us what to do.

00:58:52.000 And we realize that's the enemy, not left or right.

00:58:55.000 I think things will change. 0.99

00:58:57.000 But if we continue going the way we're going right now, controlled by the top to keep pinning us against each other, we're going to be shit for a long time to come. 0.95

00:59:05.000 So, you know, when you talk about enemies, not just domestically, but internationally, obviously a lot of controversy over Russia, China, Ukraine, all the rest of it. 0.96

00:59:13.000 Look at the international sphere for a second and tell me, who do you think is the, should America be choosing as sort of its enemy?

00:59:20.000 Or America doesn't choose its own enemy sometimes.

00:59:22.000 Who is the enemy that's targeting the United States on a foreign level?

00:59:26.000 Well, the way I would look at it is, first, what values and principles do we value the

00:59:32.000 most?

00:59:33.000 America.

00:59:34.000 Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of free enterprise.

00:59:41.000 Okay?

00:59:42.000 Those are values and principles.

00:59:43.000 Who supports that?

00:59:44.000 Whoever supports that, let's figure out a way to promote that.

00:59:47.000 Okay?

00:59:48.000 Who does not?

00:59:50.000 Whoever does not, try to figure out a way to sell it to them to say, let me tell you

00:59:54.000 why this works for us.

00:59:55.000 You ought to consider it.

00:59:56.000 Kind of like a guy named Ronald did it with another guy named Gorbachev.

00:59:59.000 And eventually they went from a communistic USSR to 1994, you know, wall comes down, open, you know, a little bit more of competition, capitalism.

01:00:08.000 You may want to consider doing this.

01:00:09.000 This could work in your country and look at Russia. 0.64

01:00:11.000 It's a complete different market today than it was, you know, 31, 32, 33 years ago.

01:00:14.000 Okay.

01:00:15.000 So to me, it's values and principles first.

01:00:18.000 Next, when it comes on to enemies, we have to be also careful that your enemies don't unite against you.

01:00:25.000 That's what we've done the last two, three years.

01:00:27.000 OK, pick our pick our top.

01:00:29.000 If you were to put a leader's bulletin on top five countries that hate America the most at our powerhouse, OK, you would put China on that list. 0.85

01:00:37.000 You'd probably put Iran on that list and you would probably put Russia on that list.

01:00:41.000 OK, who else would you add on that list?

01:00:43.000 Top five.

01:00:45.000 North Korea.

01:00:46.000 North Korea.

01:00:49.000 It depends on the iteration, but some of the, because Latin America changes its leadership so often, it's hard to actually include them in a permanent list there, but you know, Venezuela.

01:01:00.000 Okay, let's put those as five.

01:01:01.000 Okay.

01:01:02.000 Are we on the same page with those five?

01:01:03.000 Sure.

01:01:03.000 Okay, great.

01:01:05.000 So, if that's the case, I remember years ago, I'll never forget to spend.

01:01:10.000 So, I start an insurance company, I leave a company I was a part of.

01:01:16.000 That other insurance company, they start losing people, and they're all coming to me.

01:01:22.000 And one day, in a certain week, I have four or five meetings of different agencies from that company that are all sitting down with me.

01:01:30.000 And I said, so, you know, what prompted you to want to come and meet with me?

01:01:34.000 He says, well, I just, you know, wanted to come.

01:01:35.000 We're thinking about leaving that company.

01:01:36.000 But there was a weird thing that happened that I kind of want to bring up to your attention and ask why that is.

01:01:40.000 I said, go for it.

01:01:41.000 What is it?

01:01:42.000 They told us they won't sue us if we go to any company But they said, if we leave and we come to you, they're going to sue us.

01:01:50.000 Why is that?

01:01:52.000 I said, got it.

01:01:53.000 Next day, same story.

01:01:55.000 Those two are not from the same state.

01:01:58.000 Next day, same story.

01:01:59.000 Next day, four different companies in a week, two, three weeks span, all said the same thing.

01:02:04.000 If we come to you, they'll sue us.

01:02:06.000 If we go anywhere else, they'll what?

01:02:08.000 They won't sue us.

01:02:09.000 As a strategist, I'm sitting there saying, why?

01:02:13.000 Why would you sue them if they came to me?

01:02:15.000 Well, guess what?

01:02:16.000 It's a brilliant move.

01:02:18.000 Why?

01:02:19.000 Because you want your enemies divided.

01:02:22.000 You don't want your enemies united.

01:02:24.000 Because if your enemies unite against you, then they're a powerhouse.

01:02:28.000 They're not going to want that to go against you, okay?

01:02:30.000 They're going to want it to be a bit divided, right?

01:02:33.000 The more divided, like even on the conservative side, there's a lot of fights right now on the conservative side.

01:02:37.000 A lot, right?

01:02:38.000 Guess who wins like that?

01:02:40.000 A lot of people win when it's that way, but there's capitalism, totally fine.

01:02:43.000 Watch this here.

01:02:45.000 We don't mind if China hates us, if they individually hate us.

01:02:51.000 We don't mind if Russia hates us, if they individually hate us.

01:02:54.000 We don't mind if Iran hates us, if they individually hate us.

01:02:58.000 But if you put Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea collectively to hate us, for them to unite against us, NATO, everybody else, yeah, that's problematic.

01:03:11.000 That's not a good thing we're doing.

01:03:13.000 So one of the things that we're doing right now is we're getting the people that hate us the most to be united.

01:03:18.000 That's all based on policy.

01:03:21.000 Well, we got to accelerate the membership process for Ukraine to get him into, I think it was like June 23rd or something like that.

01:03:25.000 We got to accelerate the process of getting Ukraine to be part of NATO, because if we can do that, then we can impose Article 5 and NATO has to, blah, blah, blah, against Russia. 0.61

01:03:33.000 So what's the translation to that is what?

01:03:37.000 NATO is saying, we want war.

01:03:39.000 If you want to accelerate that, what are you telling me?

01:03:41.000 If, let's just say, Putin's sitting there saying, I'm sorry, what do you want to do?

01:03:45.000 Do you forget the history of West Ukraine?

01:03:48.000 Do you only know the history of East Ukraine?

01:03:51.000 Do you forget about what happened over here years ago?

01:03:53.000 Do you forget how NATO originally was started in 49 or whatever the year was and you've gradually come this way?

01:04:00.000 Is that what you forget?

01:04:02.000 And you started off all on this side and now you're gradually getting NATO members from whatever 12, 13, 14 it was to getting closer and closer and closer and closer and closer to me, around me?

01:04:10.000 Why?

01:04:11.000 Why are you doing that?

01:04:12.000 What's the reasoning behind that?

01:04:13.000 You're pushing me to want to do something, so I have to create alliances.

01:04:16.000 Who's my alliances?

01:04:17.000 China, North Korea, Iran.

01:04:20.000 If you do something, I need support.

01:04:21.000 I got support.

01:04:23.000 So, I don't know.

01:04:26.000 I think there's allies that we share common values.

01:04:28.000 I think enemies that we don't have the necessarily similar values, but we have to figure out a way to stay in relationship mode with them.

01:04:36.000 And if somebody loses their minds and we have a modern day Hitler that's going to go do it, of course, it's us against you if you want to do something like that. 0.91

01:04:43.000 If you're trying to do something like that, it's the world against that one individual.

01:04:48.000 So we have to be always aware and paranoid of that.

01:04:50.000 But right now we're unifying our enemies.

01:04:53.000 I think that's problematic.

01:04:54.000 Folks, our conversation will continue with Patrick, Bette, David.

01:04:57.000 Specifically, I want to ask him how he became a part owner of the New York Yankees.

01:05:00.000 What's that like?

01:05:01.000 You'll have to be a DailyWirePlus member to hear his answer.

The Ben Shapiro Show - September 24, 2023

Sunday Special | Patrick Bet-David On Andrew Tate, Entrepreneurship & The Yankees

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