The Ben Shapiro Show - Sunlight Is The Best Disinfectant | Ep. 997

00:00:00.000 New data suggests that summer may help tamp down coronavirus.

00:00:03.000 President Trump and Chris Cuomo's wife both have some interesting medical suggestions.

00:00:07.000 And Congress continues to vomit out money.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:22.000 All righty, so I definitely do want to get to everything coronavirus medical suggestion related, but let's be honest about this. 0.99

00:00:36.000 This is all stupid. 1.00

00:00:38.000 It's seriously, seriously stupid. 1.00

00:00:39.000 People focusing in on Trump's sort of John Belushi-esque rantings from Animal House about medical solutions because he sort of understands it and he sort of doesn't. 1.00

00:00:51.000 That is not where people should be putting their focus right now.

00:00:53.000 How about putting our focus on the fact that our food supply chains are in a bit of trouble?

00:00:57.000 I mean, the fact is that farmers are plowing under crop because they can't make money from selling that crop at a time when food shortages would probably mean riots in the streets.

00:01:06.000 Restaurants, which were providing a huge market for all of our agriculture, Those restaurants are going under at incredibly rapid rates.

00:01:13.000 That means that you're probably going to be seeing more expensive products on a shelf at a time when people have less money to spend.

00:01:17.000 It's a real, real problem, right?

00:01:18.000 That's something we should think about.

00:01:19.000 We should be thinking about, how are we supposed to reopen in an environment in which the data are so uncertain?

00:01:24.000 And we'll talk about that in a little bit. 0.83

00:01:27.000 What the media are focused on is continuing to be the gotcha game of President Trump said something dumb at a press conference. 0.92

00:01:33.000 And Okay, I mean, all right, I suppose. 0.98

00:01:36.000 But if you really believe that that is of vital importance, then you're out of your mind.

00:01:41.000 And this is the same media that suggested that President Trump, by recommending hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment for COVID-19, that he forced a woman to feed her husband fish tank cleaner, and then the guy died.

00:01:53.000 And the media are like, that's Trump's fault, which is a pretty fantastic way of creating an alibi for murdering your husband.

00:01:59.000 Not saying she murdered her husband, but if you were going to murder your husband and then have the media establish an alibi, would there be a better way to do it?

00:02:04.000 Like the Carole Baskin of fish tank cleaner over here. 1.00

00:02:08.000 Let's start with actual news and then we'll get to all of the pseudo-controversy today over President Trump and Clorox and whether you can ingest sunlight, whether you can actually just eat a ball of sunlight and it will actually fix everything. 0.99

00:02:20.000 We've now reached the stupid part, right? 1.00

00:02:22.000 It always takes a little while for serious stories to become incredibly stupid. 1.00

00:02:26.000 It took us about five weeks, really, for an incredibly serious story to turn into just full-scale utter stupidity. 1.00

00:02:32.000 That's sort of at the outside. 0.99

00:02:33.000 I mean, the fish tank cleaner story was a couple of weeks ago, and that was real dumb, but we are now reaching new lows.

00:02:38.000 First, let's bring you some actual useful information.

00:02:40.000 So I have some questions about this whole coronavirus knowledge level.

00:02:45.000 Nobody seems to know anything.

00:02:46.000 I mean, seriously, no one seems to know what the hell is going on with this thing.

00:02:50.000 I say this because there's an article out today suggesting that two-thirds of seriously ill COVID-19 patients didn't even have a fever, like at all, like did not have a fever.

00:03:02.000 So you've been told that you're going to have a fever for like a week if you get COVID-19, and that is one of the first symptoms we should look out for.

00:03:06.000 We should be doing temperature tests at the doors of our major businesses.

00:03:10.000 And it turns out that, you know, that, hmm.

00:03:13.000 According to ABC News, a new study is presenting surprising findings about COVID-19 and which factors play the biggest role in how severe the disease is for some people.

00:03:21.000 With New York being the epicenter for the virus in the United States, researchers from the state's largest healthcare system quickly moved to document findings that would help identify others and treat COVID-19 patients.

00:03:31.000 One thing stood out in the study published in the Journal of American Medicine.

00:03:34.000 A senior researcher, Karina Davidson, she says, the most surprising finding was two-thirds of the patients who were seriously ill with an active infection did not actually have a fever.

00:03:43.000 Okay, well, so do we know anything about this virus?

00:03:45.000 Like, seriously?

00:03:46.000 It's not clear to me that we know all that much more than we started with.

00:03:51.000 There are certain things we know more about.

00:03:52.000 We know that the death rate is not three or four percent.

00:03:55.000 Another story from yesterday is that New York has finally tested for antibodies, and what they found is that about one-fifth of people in New York City already have antibodies for COVID-19.

00:04:03.000 Now, that's good news in the sense it means the actual death rate from COVID-19 in New York City is 0.6.

00:04:08.000 0.6 of 8%, which is a lot lower than 3 or 4%.

00:04:11.000 It still means about six times as deadly as the flu and spreads three times more than the flu.

00:04:15.000 If you were to reach herd immunity in New York City, New York City's experienced about 11,000 deaths.

00:04:19.000 If you were to reach herd immunity in New York City, which is about 60% of the population at a baseline, you need to be immune to a disease to create herd immunity.

00:04:29.000 To get there, presumably if you just apply the same rates, you'd have to have about 35,000 people dead in New York City.

00:04:35.000 In a given year, you have about 53,000 people who die in New York City.

00:04:37.000 So you'd have to increase their death rates by nearly double, right?

00:04:41.000 You'd have to increase it by 80% in order to get to herd immunity.

00:04:44.000 So that is the bad news.

00:04:45.000 The good news is that not as deadly as previously thought, if you get it.

00:04:49.000 Bad news is that in order for herd immunity to be attained, a lot of people would have to die in order to in order to get there.

00:04:58.000 So that's a little bit more information.

00:05:01.000 Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, he announced this yesterday.

00:05:07.000 He announced the antibody results.

00:05:08.000 Here was Andrew Cuomo explaining the sort of statewide results.

00:05:11.000 About 14% of the population of New York State has the antibodies, and about 21% of the population of New York City has the antibodies.

00:05:17.000 Here was Andrew Cuomo on this yesterday.

00:05:19.000 The statewide number is 13.9% tested positive for having the antibodies.

00:05:27.000 What does that mean?

00:05:29.000 It means these are people who were infected and who developed the antibodies to fight the infection.

00:05:38.000 13% of the population is about 2.7 million people who have been infected.

00:05:43.000 If you look at what we have now as a death total, which is 15,500, that would be about 0.5% death rate.

00:05:54.000 Okay, that is a lot lower than people thought, right?

00:05:58.000 They were saying three to four percent.

00:06:00.000 In New York City, if you just took the number of actual diagnosed cases as the denominator, and you took the actual number of deaths as a numerator, it was looking at like 11 or 12 percent.

00:06:07.000 It is not even close to that, right?

00:06:09.000 0.5 percent, 0.6 percent, that is a lot lower.

00:06:12.000 So that's good news.

00:06:13.000 I mean, the good news is if you get this thing, only six out of a thousand people who get this thing are going to die.

00:06:18.000 Those six out of a thousand people are likely to be people who are in their late In their late 70s, in their 80s.

00:06:26.000 The average age of death in New York City I believe is around 63 right now, but virtually everybody who has died from this thing has a couple of different pre-existing conditions.

00:06:32.000 That doesn't mean it's safe for everybody else.

00:06:34.000 I mean, I know personally at least one person who did not have pre-existing conditions about 60 years old and died of this thing.

00:06:39.000 And I think a lot of people who have friends in New York City know people or at least know of people who have died from this thing without pre-existing conditions just because so many people have died of this.

00:06:47.000 I mean, we're approaching 46,000 people dying in five weeks across the United States during an incredible lockdown the likes of which we've never seen in our lifetime.

00:06:53.000 This thing is still very dangerous because even if it is only five times as deadly as the flu, if it spreads three times as quickly as the flu, then if you just took the flu's raw statistics and say the flu kills 50,000 people, you'd have to multiply that by a factor of three.

00:07:08.000 In order to get to the death, in order to get to the case fatality rate, and then you'd have to multiply it again by a factor of three, because it spreads three times as quickly among three times as many people in the population, presumably if left unchecked.

00:07:19.000 So you'd have to multiply it by a factor of, if it's 0.5 to 0.1, you'd have to multiply it by a factor of 15.

00:07:25.000 So you're ending up with over half a million deaths easily from this thing, if there's no mitigation, if people do not put on masks.

00:07:32.000 Now people will put on masks, people will socially distance.

00:07:35.000 I have faith in the American people that they will do this.

00:07:38.000 Again, the good news is it's less deadly than thought.

00:07:39.000 The bad news is it's so widespread and so asymptomatic that the notion that we're ever going to be able to test to the extent that people are just going to be taken out of the population if they have it generally is not true.

00:07:49.000 You're going to be able to see a major spike if the testing is in place.

00:07:53.000 And that's why you've seen people like Scott Gottlieb at the FDA suggest 300,000 tests a day would be necessary because that way you can at least have sort of a sample size test in particular areas of New York City.

00:08:03.000 It'd be heavily located in major urban areas.

00:08:05.000 You'd be able to see where the thing is spiking and then maybe do some contact tracing.

00:08:09.000 Although contact tracing in a city like New York is going to be nearly impossible.

00:08:11.000 I have no idea how you contact trace in the subway system.

00:08:14.000 Truly.

00:08:15.000 South Korea has been doing this for 20 years and they're fairly good at it.

00:08:18.000 Hong Kong's been doing this for 20 years.

00:08:19.000 They're pretty good at it.

00:08:20.000 We'd be doing it in like a month.

00:08:22.000 Can you imagine contact tracing the New York subway system?

00:08:25.000 Incredibly, incredibly complicated.

00:08:26.000 There have been some suggestions.

00:08:27.000 People can download an app.

00:08:28.000 The app would immediately notify you if you were within a particular area of somebody because it's tracing you via your phone.

00:08:34.000 I think a lot of people would have privacy concerns about that.

00:08:37.000 But even beyond that, It's gonna be very difficult to get people not to infect each other if they are in close proximity, which is why the subway system has been one of the chief problems here.

00:08:45.000 So, the antibody test has some good news and it has some bad news.

00:08:48.000 In other relevant information, it looks like there is another experimental drug that is being put out there now.

00:08:53.000 Hydroxychloroquine?

00:08:55.000 I wouldn't say completely dismissed, but certainly a lot of people are very skeptical of hydroxychloroquine based on the studies that are out there not showing tremendous upside.

00:09:03.000 There was a study that was put out by China on remdesivir, which is that drug that was put out by Gilead Sciences.

00:09:08.000 The study was not good, and in fact the enrollment was so low they had to cancel the study.

00:09:12.000 It was published preliminarily without peer review in Lancet, and then it was immediately taken down.

00:09:16.000 So we still don't know the results from that, but people have sort of Taking the early indicators is maybe it's not quite the cure-all that people were thinking it was.

00:09:25.000 I'm gonna talk about that with you in just one second.

00:09:25.000 There's another drug on the way.

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00:10:37.000 Okay, so there are several drugs that are in the pipeline and are moving through the FDA approval process and through testing phase.

00:10:44.000 Drug maker Eli Lilly, according to the Wall Street Journal, said it expects to begin human testing as soon as next month for an experimental COVID-19 treatment that uses antibodies derived from the blood of people who have recovered from the viral disease.

00:10:55.000 The testing could yield results by late summer if successful, potential emergency authorization by the FDA by early fall.

00:11:00.000 So maybe a couple of months from now, a few months from now, this could reduce the viral load in people either about to get sick or who are sick or even hospitalized.

00:11:08.000 And that would really help knock down that second wave that everybody is afraid of in the fall.

00:11:13.000 So that is some good news.

00:11:14.000 And by the way, the entire medical community is on this thing.

00:11:16.000 So some people have been saying, what is the point of locking down or even doing any sort of lockdown, right?

00:11:21.000 Why not just go out?

00:11:22.000 And in fact, each other willy-nilly since nothing is really going to change.

00:11:24.000 And the answer is something is going to change.

00:11:27.000 One of the things that is going to change is that when you have the entire medical establishment on one disease, presumably they will come up with some sort of therapeutic treatments that help knock that down.

00:11:36.000 Now, some of the other things that are going to change, we're going to have to protect our nursing homes a hell of a lot better.

00:11:40.000 Our nursing homes have been the source of an enormous percentage of death in the United States.

00:11:46.000 Particularly in New York.

00:11:47.000 It's been just awful.

00:11:49.000 Nursing homes are hotbeds for this sort of stuff because everybody is inside.

00:11:53.000 Because everybody has a frail immune system.

00:11:54.000 Because people are older.

00:11:56.000 Because they really don't have testing capacity at a lot of these nursing homes.

00:11:59.000 And because one person bringing in from the outside can lead to a raging wildfire inside the nursing home of COVID-19.

00:12:06.000 Michael Goodwin has a piece over at the New York Post talking about Andrew Cuomo's nursing home policy.

00:12:11.000 He talks about how the Cuomo policy basically was nothing.

00:12:17.000 They didn't have a real policy for nursing homes. 0.99

00:12:20.000 He says, The letter was heartbreaking as it recounted the death of an 88-year-old woman in a New York nursing home who was also angry and accurate about a strange New York policy that is fatally wrongheaded.

00:12:27.000 According to the letter, I'm wondering who will hold Governor Cuomo accountable for the deaths of so many older people due to his reckless decision to place COVID-19 patients in nursing and rehabilitation homes.

00:12:37.000 I'm writing as a daughter who lost her beautiful 88-year-old mother, who is receiving physical therapy at one such facility.

00:12:42.000 The writer, Arlene Mullen, went on to recount examples of the governor promising to protect the elderly because of their known vulnerability.

00:12:47.000 She noted he named his stay-at-home order after his own mother and talked several times about protecting her.

00:12:52.000 My mother is not expendable.

00:12:53.000 Your mother is not expendable, Cuomo said a month ago.

00:12:55.000 Mullen had another complaint, that the media never even bothered asking the governor about an order mandating that nursing homes admit and readmit patients who tested positive for the coronavirus despite the extraordinary number of deaths among the elderly.

00:13:07.000 He was asked about this by the post-Bernadette Hogan at his daily briefing yesterday.

00:13:11.000 And he said, that's a good question.

00:13:12.000 I don't know.

00:13:13.000 And then he turns to the state health commissioner who confirmed the policy saying, if you are positive, you should be admitted back to a nursing home.

00:13:19.000 The necessary precautions will be taken to protect the other residents there.

00:13:21.000 I mean, that's a crazy policy, obviously.

00:13:23.000 The state already concedes that almost 3,500 residents of nursing home or adult care facilities are known to have died from coronavirus, or nearly 25% of all deaths in New York.

00:13:34.000 More than 2,000 of the total are in the five boroughs.

00:13:36.000 So we're going to have to get better at protecting the elderly.

00:13:38.000 And we are going to get better at this stuff.

00:13:40.000 So I don't think that the death rate is going to be the same as it has been prior.

00:13:43.000 Or rather, let's put it this way.

00:13:45.000 I don't think the infection rate is going to be the same as it has been prior.

00:13:46.000 When we say that the death rate in New York City is 0.5 or 0.6%, that is the death rate.

00:13:52.000 But the infection rate is really the problem in New York City.

00:13:55.000 That infection rate is not going to be mimicked all over the country.

00:13:57.000 New York is a uniquely bad place for infection because everybody is in close contact in closed areas.

00:14:03.000 And so it's important to keep that in mind when we talk about treating different areas differently.

00:14:07.000 And we should be treating different areas differently.

00:14:09.000 When Dr. Anthony Fauci suggests that he is not overly confident with COVID-19 testing capabilities, that makes a hell of a lot more difference in New York City than it makes in rural Georgia, for example.

00:14:18.000 Here was Anthony Fauci yesterday.

00:14:20.000 Absolutely need to significantly ramp up.

00:14:26.000 Not only the number of tests, but the capacity to actually perform them.

00:14:32.000 So that you don't have a situation where you have a test, but it can't be done because there's not a swab, or not an extraction media, or not the right vial.

00:14:43.000 All of those things got to be in place.

00:14:45.000 I am not overly confident right now at all that we have what it takes to do that.

00:14:53.000 Okay, well, he's right about that, but the question is what the testing is going to accomplish when 20% of New York City had this thing without anybody knowing about it.

00:15:00.000 It's pretty astonishing.

00:15:01.000 Again, the question is, how much testing and to what end?

00:15:04.000 And public policy officials are not really being clear in what they intend from this, which is why there's so much confusion about reopening.

00:15:09.000 Now, we're going to get to the confusion about reopening in just one second.

00:15:12.000 We're going to get to that in a few minutes.

00:15:14.000 But we have to discuss, obviously, the big story of the day, which is everybody is mad at President Trump because President Trump, it turns out, is President Trump and says things.

00:15:21.000 And as I've said many times on his epitaph, it will say, Donald Trump, 45th president of the United States, he said a lot of bleep, right?

00:15:27.000 That's, that'd be the nice version of the epitaph.

00:15:34.000 Again, I like a lot of the stuff he's done as president.

00:15:35.000 I think that he's handled the coronavirus situation in terms of policy actually really, really well.

00:15:40.000 It's just that it ain't great when you're rambling on about sunlight and eating it.

00:15:44.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

00:15:46.000 He didn't quite say that.

00:15:46.000 It's also not quite fair.

00:15:47.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:17:05.000 Okay, so now to the topic of the day, and that is science.

00:17:10.000 Science.

00:17:10.000 So, this all sort of turned bad yesterday at the White House after the head of the DHS or a spokesperson for the DHS named Phil Bryant got up and he explained some good news.

00:17:21.000 The good news, he said, is that sunlight and heat may in fact kill the virus.

00:17:24.000 So we had heard a study earlier this week from France in which somebody in a lab turned up the heat really high on the virus and the virus didn't die.

00:17:32.000 But now, apparently, William Bryant, the Undersecretary for Science over at the DHS, he says, well, actually, we have some good information that sunlight and heat may help kill the virus. 0.96

00:17:41.000 Now, by the way, this does show how stupid it was to lock down parks. 0.98

00:17:45.000 How stupid it was to tell people to shelter in their homes as opposed to being out in public, not near other people. 0.99

00:17:51.000 It is a good thing to be at parks on beaches. 1.00

00:17:53.000 It is a good thing to be away from other people, but in the sunlight.

00:17:56.000 You're not coughing on other people.

00:17:57.000 You're not sneezing on other people.

00:17:59.000 When you're out in the open air, there's a place for the germs to go as you breathe.

00:18:02.000 There are lots of reasons to be outside.

00:18:04.000 Well, among those reasons are that sunlight and heat may help kill the virus.

00:18:08.000 Sunlight literally being the best disinfectant in this particular case.

00:18:11.000 Here is the DHS's William Bryan.

00:18:14.000 Our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus, both surfaces and in the air.

00:18:23.000 We've seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus.

00:18:31.000 As the temperature increases, As the humidity increases, with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half-life goes down on that virus.

00:18:40.000 So the virus is dying at a much more rapid pace just from exposure to higher temperatures and just from exposure to humidity.

00:18:46.000 So they're saying that 70 to 75 degrees with 20 percent humidity during the summer with with sunlight, right?

00:18:55.000 With summer sunlight.

00:18:56.000 That means that aerosolized saliva droplets, right?

00:18:59.000 You breathe, you talk, you sneeze in the air.

00:19:02.000 The half-life on that is gonna be about 1.5 minutes, which is a lot better than people have been suggesting, that this stuff was gonna sit around in the air for three hours, four hours, that basically could be walking around and just walk right into a cloud of the virus without even knowing about it.

00:19:14.000 So that's really good news.

00:19:16.000 And it does suggest, by the way, that when we do reopen businesses, people should be trying to do business outdoors as much as humanly possible.

00:19:22.000 Maybe we can have barber shops that are actually doing haircuts outdoors.

00:19:26.000 Maybe if you're going to go to a restaurant, instead of just seating people inside the restaurant, if you've got a parking lot, put some tables out there in the parking lot and socially distance the tables, and you're a lot better off than you are inside the restaurant.

00:19:37.000 There are things that this allows business to do.

00:19:39.000 I mean, this is good information.

00:19:40.000 And it's possible that if we just tamp this thing down for a few months, that gives the medical profession a chance to come up with new solutions by the time we come back.

00:19:47.000 Okay, so all that's good, right?

00:19:48.000 I mean, that's good information.

00:19:50.000 And that is the real headline.

00:19:50.000 That should be the headline.

00:19:52.000 I mean, I'm looking for encouraging news.

00:19:54.000 Are you looking for encouraging news?

00:19:55.000 I would like to not die.

00:19:56.000 I would like my parents to not die.

00:19:57.000 I would like all Americans to not die.

00:19:59.000 So that is the real news.

00:20:00.000 Well, then President Trump gets up.

00:20:02.000 And President Trump, who sort of speaks from a half-remembered dream when it comes to the science very often, right?

00:20:08.000 He sort of – he takes in information and then it bounces around in there and then just comes right back out but in a very garbled form.

00:20:16.000 He starts kind of riffing about that time that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

00:20:22.000 He starts riffing about injecting disinfectant and how we can get UV light inside people.

00:20:30.000 Now, in a second, I'm going to explain what he actually meant because what he actually meant, I think, is not actually crazy.

00:20:35.000 It's actually fairly well-established.

00:20:38.000 The way he says it, if you don't know what he means, there's no way not to read this as he's telling you that you should actually take Clorox and just go right into the... Or that you should take a ball of sunlight and just down it.

00:20:49.000 Or that you should take a light bulb and shine it up your nose or something.

00:20:53.000 It's a very bizarre statement that he makes here.

00:20:55.000 And the media, of course, jump all over this.

00:20:57.000 Now, as I say, is this an important story?

00:20:59.000 No, it's not an important story.

00:21:00.000 Is it good for Trump?

00:21:01.000 No, it's not good for Trump because, again, Credibility and trustworthiness and level head.

00:21:05.000 These are things that people value, particularly in an emergency time, in an election year.

00:21:10.000 Now, let's be real about this.

00:21:11.000 Joe Biden is not sentient.

00:21:12.000 So Joe Biden could have said exactly the same thing and the media would have just ignored it and then made excuses for it.

00:21:17.000 For Trump, they won't do the same thing.

00:21:20.000 That's just the reality of the situation, which is why Trump, just as a matter of self-preservation politically, should be a lot more careful about the stuff that falls out of his face.

00:21:27.000 But here is President Trump making the comments that set a thousand ships ablaze.

00:21:31.000 Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.

00:21:39.000 And I think you said you're going to test that too.

00:21:41.000 Sounds interesting.

00:21:43.000 Right.

00:21:43.000 And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute.

00:21:49.000 And is there a way we can do something like that?

00:21:51.000 by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

00:22:01.000 So it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with.

00:22:05.000 But it sounds interesting to me.

00:22:08.000 Well, okay.

00:22:12.000 Okay.

00:22:13.000 In a second, we'll get to him clarifying this, because again, what he heard was probably, he does this all the time.

00:22:21.000 He hears a piece of information.

00:22:22.000 The piece of information is right when he hears it.

00:22:24.000 He processes it.

00:22:25.000 It comes out wrong on the other end, right?

00:22:26.000 He did this with hydroxychloroquine.

00:22:28.000 Like people were saying, hydroxychloroquine may be a possible treatment for this thing.

00:22:31.000 And then he went out and he oversold it because that's what Trump does.

00:22:33.000 He's a real estate guy.

00:22:34.000 So he oversells things.

00:22:35.000 And so he sort of comes up with the bumper sticker version of what he thinks he heard.

00:22:39.000 And then he says it.

00:22:40.000 I'll give you what he actually meant in a second and you'll see he sort of tries to clarify it even in the middle of this press conference and the media lose their minds over all of this.

00:22:47.000 I will say that the reaction shot of Dr. Birx in this is pretty stellar.

00:22:52.000 I mean, it's directly from Arrested Development.

00:22:54.000 I mean, it's pretty incredible.

00:22:57.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:23:58.000 Well first, just because it's hilarious.

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00:24:05.000 Okay, so what exactly was Trump talking about?

00:24:08.000 Well, first, just because it's hilarious.

00:24:10.000 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:24:11.000 It can still be funny.

00:24:13.000 Deborah Birx, the cutaway shot to her from the other angle while Trump is riffing about whether we can inject disinfectant and whether we can put sunlight inside the body in some way is pretty stellar.

00:24:26.000 Dr. Birx, who's been on our Sunday special, and she's got a rough job. 1.00

00:24:29.000 I mean, if you are in the Trump administration, you have to balance, let's get good things done and also let's not piss off Trump, right?

00:24:34.000 That really is the balance.

00:24:35.000 I know a lot of people in the administration.

00:24:37.000 Anybody who tells you that's not the balance is lying to you.

00:24:39.000 That, of course, is the balance.

00:24:41.000 President Trump is not the world's thickest skinned dude, and he doesn't like being publicly criticized.

00:24:45.000 And so it puts these scientists in sort of a weird position because, I mean, you'll actually see it.

00:24:50.000 One of these scientists is called back up.

00:24:53.000 and asked about whether this is smart or not.

00:24:57.000 And the guy's like, well, we're not actually testing it.

00:24:59.000 And then Trump is like, well, the medical people might be testing it.

00:25:03.000 Maybe.

00:25:03.000 And the guy's not going to answer a straight question as to whether we are going to test if you can actually just swallow a UV light bulb or something.

00:25:12.000 Like that's it's.

00:25:13.000 So what exactly is Trump actually talking about?

00:25:16.000 Well, Jim Carrey has a good piece over at National Review.

00:25:18.000 He says that Columbia University's Center for Radiological Research developed lighting that uses far UVC that can kill viruses and bacteria without harming human skin, eyes, and other tissues, as is the problem with conventional ultraviolet light.

00:25:30.000 You could put that lighting in public places and you could mitigate airborne viruses that way, but it's not going to get in your lungs or the rest of your body.

00:25:36.000 It's not going to be put under the skin or anything.

00:25:38.000 Like that.

00:25:39.000 And when the president is talking about how sunlight, maybe that could be ingested.

00:25:44.000 Again, that is a botched and odd read of when you go out in sunlight, you have higher vitamin D production in your body.

00:25:51.000 Vitamin D production in your body is helpful to your immune system.

00:25:54.000 It helps prevent infection or reduce the risk of infection. 0.99

00:25:59.000 But the media are obviously jumping on this to suggest that President Trump is a dunderhead. 0.98

00:26:03.000 This is their real agenda here, right? 1.00

00:26:04.000 They're very concerned with President Trump being a dunderhead. 0.98

00:26:07.000 You'll even hear Trump correct his own comments in the middle of this because Trump understands he doesn't really know what he's talking about here. 0.99

00:26:13.000 Trump has never admitted he doesn't know what he's talking about, ever.

00:26:15.000 He knows the most about everything from the Afghan lemur to the airspeed of a flying British swallow. 0.78

00:26:25.000 If you ask Trump what he knows about a thing?

00:26:27.000 I know everything there is to know about it.

00:26:27.000 Everything.

00:26:29.000 There are experts who say I know more.

00:26:31.000 He's never going to admit that.

00:26:32.000 But right here, for example, he basically tries to correct himself because he understands.

00:26:36.000 I'm just saying things that I've sort of heard.

00:26:40.000 He walks it back.

00:26:40.000 I mean, he really does.

00:26:43.000 We're talking about almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area.

00:26:48.000 Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't work, but it certainly has a big effect if it's on a stationary object.

00:26:54.000 On surfaces, the heat, the hot summer, and whatever other conditions, humidity and lack of humidity, that that would have an impact.

00:27:03.000 So that on surfaces where it can be picked up, it will die fairly quickly in the summer, whereas in the winter it wouldn't die so quickly.

00:27:12.000 Okay, so again, that, what he's saying there, if you use it on an area, that is what we mean by using disinfectant, right?

00:27:17.000 Or if you spray it in particular areas of the air, maybe that helps, right?

00:27:21.000 What he's saying there makes sense, so he corrects himself.

00:27:24.000 The media, of course, run with the first headline because it's a lot more colorful.

00:27:27.000 Then you had a reporter asking Trump if it's irresponsible for Trump to suggest that people go outside.

00:27:34.000 No, that's not irresponsible.

00:27:35.000 That's actually what his own scientists are saying.

00:27:36.000 So this is where you can see that the media are off the rails.

00:27:39.000 They're not trying to accurately interpret Trump.

00:27:41.000 They're trying to drive a narrative that suggests that Trump is telling people to do unsafe things.

00:27:45.000 Now, we already know that, right?

00:27:46.000 We already know that they tried to blame him for a lady feeding her husband fish tank cleaner.

00:27:50.000 And now they're trying to blame Trump for suggesting that it's good to go outside.

00:27:53.000 Okay.

00:27:54.000 Okay, I'm not going to make any bones about that.

00:27:56.000 than inside.

00:27:57.000 I've been saying this for weeks.

00:27:58.000 All available studies show it is better to be outside than inside if you have a choice.

00:28:02.000 Why?

00:28:02.000 Because you are not in close contact with other human beings and breathing all over them in recirculated air.

00:28:07.000 This is perfectly obvious.

00:28:08.000 This has been true for a long time.

00:28:10.000 Okay, I'm not gonna make any bones about that.

00:28:12.000 So here was a reporter asking Trump, is it do you think it's irresponsible for you to make people safe?

00:28:17.000 To feel that they will be safe from the virus in the heat?

00:28:20.000 That's not what he's saying!

00:28:21.000 He's saying you're going to be safer from the virus in the heat outside than you will be in your home in air conditioning in a small area, which is of course true.

00:28:27.000 And here is Trump basically pointing this out.

00:28:30.000 Is it dangerous for you to make people think they would be safe by going outside in the heat, considering that so many people are dying in Florida, considering that this virus has had an outbreak in Singapore, places that are hot and are humid?

00:28:43.000 Here we go.

00:28:44.000 The new headline is, Trump asks people to go outside.

00:28:47.000 That's dangerous.

00:28:48.000 Here we go.

00:28:49.000 Same old group.

00:28:50.000 You ready?

00:28:51.000 I hope people enjoy the sun.

00:28:53.000 And if it has an impact, that's great.

00:28:55.000 Again, I say, maybe you can, maybe you can't.

00:28:57.000 I'm not a doctor.

00:28:58.000 I'm like a person that has a good, you know what.

00:29:04.000 He's a person that's good, you know what?

00:29:05.000 But what he said, I'll say it, okay?

00:29:07.000 Because the doctors are saying it.

00:29:09.000 That being outside, there was a study from China.

00:29:11.000 It found that a grand total of two, count them, two coronavirus cases were diagnosed from people who are actually outside talking with each other.

00:29:19.000 And they were in close contact outside.

00:29:21.000 If you are far away from other people outside, it is better to do that than it is to be inside locked in with other people.

00:29:27.000 Bottom line truth.

00:29:27.000 This is true about any coronavirus, by the way.

00:29:29.000 It's true about the flu.

00:29:30.000 It's true about colds.

00:29:31.000 It's true about any of these things.

00:29:32.000 If you are far away from other people and in sunlight, that is better than being inside in recirculated air.

00:29:36.000 This is why subway systems are really bad for this sort of thing. 0.99

00:29:39.000 To pretend that it's dangerous for Trump to say this is fully idiotic, and you can see the narrative forming in real time. 1.00

00:29:44.000 Now, the broader narrative is not just that Trump is incompetent and terrible and really a bad, bad person and all this. 1.00

00:29:48.000 The broader narrative is that Republicans are anti-science. 0.93

00:29:51.000 And there's two broader narratives that members of the Democratic Party and the media, but I repeat myself, are trying to push.

00:29:59.000 One is Republicans hate science, and the other is that Republicans hate human life. 0.99

00:30:04.000 And both of those are absolute, utter bullcrap. 0.89

00:30:07.000 Republicans don't hate science and they don't hate human life.

00:30:10.000 In fact, many of us are trying to look hard at the science and figure out what the risks and rewards are.

00:30:15.000 What Democrats are trying to do now is create this binary where if you are in favor of removal of lockdown in gradual and responsible fashion, this makes you an anti-vaccine activist, or this makes you somebody who is in favor of people just infecting each other willy-nilly.

00:30:29.000 Of course, this plays into pre-existing stereotypes that the media have been trying to create for a long time, which is that if you are on the right, then this is because you are a climate change denier, and because you're evil and you deny science, and you don't care about old people dying, and you don't care about poor people dying, right?

00:30:41.000 This is all their pre-existing narratives.

00:30:42.000 They're now just trying to shoehorn coronavirus into it, and it doesn't fit.

00:30:46.000 I mean, this is the stepsister trying to put on Cinderella's shoe.

00:30:47.000 It just doesn't fit.

00:30:49.000 So now they're cutting off toes trying to fit that foot into that shoe. 1.00

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00:32:00.000 In a second, I'm going to show you how dishonest the whole Republicans oppose science, but the left is fully on board with science.

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00:34:23.000 Okay, so again, there are two narratives that the media and the Democrats are trying to push.

00:34:32.000 One is Republicans don't care about science.

00:34:34.000 The second is that Republicans don't care about human life.

00:34:36.000 And they are they're merging these two narratives.

00:34:38.000 So the Republicans don't care about science thing.

00:34:40.000 Every time Trump says something that seems bizarre, that is going to be radically magnified.

00:34:46.000 Not just because he's president.

00:34:47.000 Because, I mean, we all know he's the president.

00:34:49.000 He says bizarre things all the time.

00:34:50.000 I mean, have you seen the man?

00:34:51.000 I mean, like, this is what he does.

00:34:53.000 But they're trying to turn this into a broader Republicans don't respect science narrative, which is patently not true, particularly when it comes to coronavirus.

00:35:02.000 It is also true that people on the left have been really denying science all the way throughout the coronavirus pandemic.

00:35:08.000 For example, trotting out the false case fatality rates to inflate the statistics on this thing.

00:35:13.000 Like we knew those were wrong from the very beginning.

00:35:15.000 We know there was no way that those were right.

00:35:17.000 They're being trotted out by the media consistently as though those were the right infection fatality and case fatality rates.

00:35:22.000 I mean, we kept hearing over and over and over that the who, to doubt the who, was to be terrible.

00:35:27.000 We kept hearing that if you said that it was not a 3.4% death rate from coronavirus, that it was actually under 1%, this is because you were some sort of science denier.

00:35:35.000 No, it turns out that you were the science denier.

00:35:37.000 And it's not as though that was speculative.

00:35:39.000 Everybody knew early on that there were a huge number of asymptomatic cases.

00:35:43.000 When people were suggesting that flattening the curve was going to alleviate the virus completely, or that testing is going to be a cure-all, that is bad science.

00:35:51.000 I have now asked The surgeon, the former Surgeon General of the United States, professors from Stanford, the head of Johns Hopkins epidemiology department, the head of the UCSF medicine department.

00:36:04.000 I've asked a number of people who know far better than I what testing is designed to do.

00:36:08.000 It is not designed to knock the virus completely out of the US population.

00:36:11.000 That is not something testing can do.

00:36:12.000 And yet if you listen to the media, that is the suggestion that you will receive.

00:36:15.000 And if you listen to Democrats, that's the suggestion that you will receive.

00:36:18.000 That's science denial. 1.00

00:36:20.000 Hey, speaking of science denial, I get idiots like John Kerry. 1.00

00:36:22.000 John Kerry, reporting for duty. 1.00

00:36:26.000 Face like a mudslide in the Hollywood Hills.

00:36:30.000 Collapsing in on itself like a dying star.

00:36:33.000 His chin used to be at least five inches closer to the top of his head.

00:36:37.000 But over time, he has resembled more and more an Easter Island egghead.

00:36:43.000 Easter head island.

00:36:45.000 Here he is, talking about the biggest threats to America.

00:36:49.000 I'll tell you it's Corona.

00:36:52.000 It's not Corona, actually.

00:36:53.000 Let me correct.

00:36:54.000 It is climate change.

00:36:57.000 Here's John Kerry being a science-y science man.

00:37:02.000 Most challenging, perhaps of all, getting beyond the pandemic of coronavirus, is climate crisis.

00:37:10.000 And the climate crisis could not be more real.

00:37:15.000 Um, even if you take the climate situation incredibly seriously, to suggest that it is a bigger threat than coronavirus, um, yeah, gonna go no on that one.

00:37:25.000 Gonna go no.

00:37:26.000 Gradual change in the climate over the course of the next hundred years is not as much of an issue as the complete breakdown of the world economy, mass unemployment, and hundreds of thousands if not millions of people dead like in the next five months.

00:37:37.000 That seems, that seems a lot worse.

00:37:38.000 That seems a lot, lot, lot worse.

00:37:40.000 Meanwhile, speaking of science denial, I'm constantly amused that Chris Cuomo is going on TV and talking about how people are not socially distancing and how terrible it is when we now know that he broke his own quarantine to go to his second property and he was yelling at a biker outside his house.

00:37:55.000 Also, just going to point out that this is an actual real thing.

00:37:59.000 His wife is Christina.

00:38:02.000 She put up a blog.

00:38:03.000 It's called the Cuomo's Corona Protocol, week three.

00:38:06.000 It says, just as my husband Chris began to kick this, I was stricken with the coronavirus.

00:38:10.000 I spent a week in isolation battling COVID-19.

00:38:12.000 Here's what I learned and what I did to push it out over the week.

00:38:15.000 And she talks about all of the various things that she did.

00:38:20.000 It's not super sciency.

00:38:22.000 She says, I decided to go on the course I set for Chris of oxygenated herbs.

00:38:27.000 I enlisted Dr. Linda Lancaster, who put us on a path of natural remedies to build our immune systems, and it's working for us.

00:38:35.000 I'm sharing this, but this isn't a debate.

00:38:37.000 If you think these are far-fetched treatments, think again!

00:38:39.000 I went through tons of antibiotics for Lyme disease this past year, which did not help eradicate the Lyme.

00:38:44.000 Only when I took a natural course did I get better.

00:38:46.000 I'm applying that information to the virus because I believe in natural medicine, which by the way, one of my favorite memes online is the, there's a meme online that shows folders on a computer and it shows, it says science, natural medicine, Next folder that you open up is evidence, and then empty.

00:39:03.000 Because natural medicine, not tons of evidence to support it, as it turns out.

00:39:08.000 She says, we're all trying to find tools to help beat this.

00:39:10.000 I'm grateful I have the ability to research and educate myself on natural remedies.

00:39:15.000 And then she talks about all the things that she did.

00:39:19.000 She talks about resonance breathing and pranayama, helping to expand the lungs.

00:39:23.000 And then she talked about vitamins, herbs, and minerals.

00:39:28.000 She talked about three Synex daily, three antivirals daily, three Caparest daily, three OXO, non-toxic quinine, daily.

00:39:35.000 And then she made a liver-cleansing beverage with one raw garlic clove, one orange, one lemon, a tablespoon of cayenne pepper, a spoonful of olive oil, a crunch of ginger, and a piece of turmeric.

00:39:43.000 And then she made a big batch of this stuff. 0.94

00:39:46.000 Also, she suggested that she was going to bathe in bleach At the direction of my doctor, Dr. Linda Lancaster, who reminded me that this is an oxygen-depleting virus, she suggested I take a bath and add a nominal amount of bleach.

00:39:59.000 Yes, bleach.

00:40:00.000 So I add a small amount, a half cup only, of Clorox to a full bath of warm water.

00:40:05.000 Why?

00:40:05.000 To combat the radiation and metals in my system and oxygenate it.

00:40:10.000 That's... That... That doesn't sound like...

00:40:15.000 Super science-y to me.

00:40:17.000 Granted, I am not a scientist or a doctor.

00:40:20.000 This does not sound super science-y.

00:40:22.000 She also used a machine, a body charger, which energy specialist Randy Oppit suggested I borrow from a friend.

00:40:27.000 It sends electrical frequencies through my body to oxygenate my blood and stimulate the healthy production of blood cells to fortify my immune system.

00:40:34.000 It also rebalanced my energy.

00:40:37.000 Rebalance the energy?

00:40:38.000 Well, I mean, I can't wait to hear how she uses leeches to cure the humors.

00:40:43.000 Like, what are we talking about here?

00:40:45.000 Again, this is not to suggest that she is on the same level as the President of the United States when he just completely botches the science after having heard it and then he spits it out wrong.

00:40:52.000 But, can we stop pretending that, like, failures of science exist only on one side of the aisle for political purposes? 0.87

00:40:58.000 Because it's just very silly.

00:41:00.000 The other thing that people are citing is this idea that Republicans are just not taking seriously the threat to human life.

00:41:04.000 Again, they're trying to combine, on the left, this idea that Republicans are anti-science and the idea that Republicans are anti-life, and it is a stretch.

00:41:11.000 So, for example, over at Mediaite, Tommy Christopher, who is, you know, a very hardcore Democrat, He says 40% of Republicans say the threat from coronavirus has been exaggerated.

00:41:20.000 Another 10% aren't sure.

00:41:22.000 A drastic difference from the rest of Americans polled.

00:41:24.000 A Yahoo News YouGov poll published Thursday found stark partisan divides on a number of key questions related to public health and the state of COVID-19.

00:41:31.000 40% of Republicans said that the threat of COVID-19 was exaggerated.

00:41:36.000 According to Democrats, only 25% said, sorry, 11% of Democrats said that the threat of COVID-19 was exaggerated.

00:41:42.000 About 25% of Independents.

00:41:44.000 Said the threat of COVID-19 was exaggerated.

00:41:47.000 Now, it depends what you mean by exaggerated.

00:41:49.000 If you mean that it's not a threat at all, then of course you're wrong.

00:41:52.000 If you mean that people were saying for literally months here that the threat of COVID-19 was so bad that you were going to randomly walk down the street, obtain it, and now your chances of dying were 10%, then yeah, that was exaggerated.

00:42:03.000 I mean, if you're talking about the actual statistical threat to young people right now in the United States, there's no question that the media's anecdotal coverage of this sort of stuff has created an exaggerated perception of the threat of the disease.

00:42:14.000 That doesn't mean it's not serious.

00:42:15.000 Things can be serious and also exaggerated.

00:42:17.000 Or you can say that the Beatles are a good band and also overrated.

00:42:21.000 You can say that things are bad, but also the threat has been exaggerated of those things.

00:42:26.000 And it is true that the media have exaggerated the threat to your specific human life from COVID-19 unless you are elderly or have pre-existing conditions.

00:42:35.000 I mean, that is what all the data suggests.

00:42:36.000 To suggest somehow that Republicans, who are more skeptical of the media than others, are simply taking the science to not seriously enough is to ignore the fact that the media have done a horrible job on this stuff, a really horrible job.

00:42:47.000 And now this is being conflated with if you are in favor of ending lockdowns, if you're in favor of moving beyond lockdowns, this is because you don't care enough about human life.

00:42:56.000 There's an entire article over at the Los Angeles Times trying to tie together anti-vaccine activists and coronavirus protesters.

00:43:04.000 The vast majority of people who want to see these lockdowns ended and people given the freedom to make their own risk assessments, the vast majority of those people are not people who deny the efficacy of vaccines or stump against vaccines.

00:43:16.000 You're gonna be hard-pressed to find anybody on the right who's more pro-vaccine than I am.

00:43:19.000 Like, seriously.

00:43:19.000 I've come out in favor in California of vaccine mandates if you're gonna go to a public school for communicable diseases that you can pass on to other people and no religious exemptions for it.

00:43:31.000 I've come out in favor of that because that is a threat to other people.

00:43:34.000 A generic policy that suggests that you should not be able to pass on a grave disease to somebody with leukemia or cancer or to a small child or to a pregnant mother.

00:43:44.000 I'm all for it.

00:43:45.000 I'm very, very pro-vaccine.

00:43:46.000 I've done entire episodes of this podcast, actually, in which I go through all the details about vaccines to suggest that I am anti-vaccine because I also think that the government is, without data now, moving into an era where they are not actually making good policy decisions.

00:44:06.000 It's just a lie.

00:44:07.000 And I think that's true for most of the people who are saying we need to go back to work and tranche people back in responsibly. 0.93

00:44:11.000 Again, the key word there is responsibly.

00:44:14.000 There are some people, I'm not gonna deny it, there are some people who are like, okay, this is not really a threat, we should just go out and willy-nilly do what we want.

00:44:19.000 I don't think that that is even close to the majority of people who are in favor of moving beyond the lockdowns.

00:44:24.000 The fact is, the lockdowns were established to achieve a goal.

00:44:27.000 The goal was to prevent the overwhelming of our hospital system.

00:44:31.000 End of story.

00:44:31.000 That was the entire thing.

00:44:32.000 The lockdowns were never going to prevent widespread infection of the disease.

00:44:36.000 Not unless you lock down forever, which is not palatable and nobody's gonna do it.

00:44:39.000 I mean, we already see our food supplies dwindling.

00:44:41.000 We see the food supply lines that are actually threatened right now.

00:44:44.000 So, barring that, we are all going to go back to work, and the question is going to be under what conditions we do.

00:44:50.000 As I've said now for, I think, several weeks, we're all going to end up doing what Sweden did.

00:44:54.000 The only question is when we should start doing what Sweden did, and what level of testing is necessary in order to do the hotspot testing and tracing.

00:45:01.000 And when I say we all agree on this, you want to talk about how things have become incredibly partisan?

00:45:05.000 Like truly incredibly partisan?

00:45:07.000 All you have to do is look at the coverage of Georgia.

00:45:09.000 So in Colorado, they've basically done the same thing that they are talking about doing in Georgia.

00:45:14.000 Jared Polis talks about opening businesses in Colorado, and nobody seems to care because he is not a Democrat.

00:45:21.000 Meanwhile, the conditions under which businesses can actually reopen in Georgia, it turns out they're actually fairly strict.

00:45:27.000 It is not as though you can just reopen willy-nilly. 0.95

00:45:31.000 Governor Kemp's executive order in Georgia, this is just, again, it's media malfeasance designed to target Republicans in order to generate a narrative, a narrative that has a headline that looks like this one from Timothy Egan, moron over at the New York Times. 0.98

00:45:42.000 How Republicans became the party of death. 0.97

00:45:44.000 People are disposable, so is income.

00:45:46.000 For the pro-life party, one is more important.

00:45:48.000 No, one is not more important.

00:45:50.000 This is about coming up with a public policy that saves the most lives possible while also not destroying the most lives possible.

00:45:57.000 Lives can be destroyed without killing people, as it turns out.

00:45:59.000 And it turns out that a lot of lives do end precipitously when you have Great Depressions.

00:46:04.000 But this is all, this is the narrative.

00:46:06.000 Okay, but take Georgia as a perfect example. 0.98

00:46:08.000 So I'm looking right now at a document from Governor Kemp about which entities can engage in minimum basic operations.

00:46:14.000 So he says the gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, aestheticians, all of these can begin engaging in minimum basic operations April 24th, 2020.

00:46:25.000 This means these businesses can open to the public on a limited basis subject to restrictions.

00:46:29.000 So what are those restrictions?

00:46:30.000 Wouldn't that be the key question?

00:46:32.000 Wouldn't the key question be, what do they have to do to reopen?

00:46:35.000 Here's what they have to do.

00:46:37.000 The minimum necessary activities to maintain the value of a business, establishment, corporation, non-profit, corporation, or organization.

00:46:43.000 They have to provide services, manage inventory, ensure security, process payroll and employee benefits, etc.

00:46:48.000 The minimum necessary functions.

00:46:51.000 They have to be able to allow people to work remotely and instant.

00:46:56.000 And they want to allow people to work outdoors because outdoors is a lot safer.

00:46:59.000 Here is what they have to do as businesses.

00:47:01.000 One, they have to screen and evaluate workers who exhibit signs of illness, such as a fever over 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit, cough or shortness of breath.

00:47:08.000 So they screen every worker.

00:47:09.000 They have to require workers who exhibit signs of illness to not report to work or seek medical attention.

00:47:13.000 They have to enhance sanitation of the workplace, require hand washing or sanitation by workers at appropriate places within the business location, provide PPEs as available and appropriate to the function and location of the worker, prohibit gatherings of workers, permitting workers to take breaks and meals outside, implementing telework for all possible workers, implementing staggered implementing telework for all possible workers, implementing staggered shifts for all possible workers, holding meetings and conferences virtually, delivering intangible services remotely, discouraging workers from using other workers' phones, desks, offices or other work tools,

00:47:41.000 prohibiting handshaking, placing notices that encourage hand hygiene everywhere, suspending the use of personal identification number pads, PIN entry devices, electronic signature capture, and any other credit card signature requirements to the extent such suspension is permitted by agreements with credit card companies and credit agencies, enforcing social distancing of non-cohabiting persons while present on such entities' leased or owned properties,

00:48:02.000 Providing for alternate points of sale outside of buildings, including curbside pickups, increasing physical space, providing disinfection and sanitation tools, increasing physical space between worksites to at least six feet.

00:48:14.000 Okay, that means that everybody's gonna stay closed.

00:48:17.000 Okay, that's a lot of conditions.

00:48:18.000 That's a lot of conditions.

00:48:19.000 Nobody was really able to open up, but nobody focused on the conditions of opening up, which, by the way, is how businesses will open up under all those conditions everywhere.

00:48:27.000 They're not focusing on that.

00:48:28.000 Instead, they're focusing on how dare he even say the word reopening.

00:48:31.000 It's a lot easier if you're a governor right now to simply just say you're going to keep things closed and then suggest that your political opponents want people to die if they disagree is what J.B.

00:48:38.000 Pritzker in Illinois is doing.

00:48:39.000 He says he's extending the stay-at-home order through May 30th without providing a metric as to why that is or how he hopes to restore some level of economic mobility and freedom in his state.

00:48:50.000 Next week, I intend to sign an extension of our stay-at-home order with some modifications through Saturday, May 30th.

00:49:00.000 To everyone listening, we are in possibly the most difficult part of this journey.

00:49:07.000 I know how badly we all want our normal lives back.

00:49:11.000 Believe me, if I could make that happen right now, I would.

00:49:16.000 But this is the part where we have to dig in.

00:49:20.000 Okay, again, I'm fine with the digging in, but you have to explain how you're going to get out of the hole that you have now dug.

00:49:26.000 And so far, many of these governors are not.

00:49:28.000 Many of these governors are not saying what their expectations are going to be, how many tests are actually necessary, when people can go back to work, under what conditions they can go back to work.

00:49:35.000 That's irresponsible.

00:49:36.000 It is irresponsible.

00:49:37.000 How do you expect the American people to trust that you have their best interests at heart when you won't even lay out A plan.

00:49:43.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:49:44.000 Okay, time for a quick thing I like, and then some things that I hate.

00:49:47.000 So, things that I like today.

00:49:49.000 I will admit, my kids did not sleep well last night.

00:49:52.000 They are, it's, you know, being at home this much.

00:49:55.000 Interesting times, interesting times.

00:49:57.000 But I have three kids under the age of seven.

00:49:59.000 That means that my six-year-old woke me up for nightmares, and then my three-year-old woke me up because for the first time in like a year and a half, he had an accident.

00:50:06.000 And then my baby woke me up because she needed a nurse.

00:50:08.000 So it was just good times.

00:50:09.000 It was good times.

00:50:10.000 Well, if you're looking for relaxing literature for your children, like good bedtime literature and just great literature generally, The Complete Tales of Winnie the Pooh by A. A. Milne.

00:50:17.000 It's so charming and so wonderful.

00:50:19.000 And A. A. Milne was such a talented fellow.

00:50:22.000 I mean, it really is pretty incredible.

00:50:24.000 He went from writing these kind of serial comic plays on topical political issues to writing Winnie the Pooh.

00:50:30.000 And Winnie the Pooh has surprising depth to it.

00:50:33.000 It tells me one of the things that's really charming about Winnie the Pooh also is there are no villains.

00:50:36.000 So it's amazing that he's able to sustain entire stories with no villains, just kind of with charming fun.

00:50:40.000 And it's all character-based charming fun. - Yeah.

00:50:44.000 The movie is great, but the movie is not.

00:50:46.000 It doesn't hold the candle to the books.

00:50:47.000 The books are clever, and fun, and witty, and really, really enjoyable.

00:50:52.000 My daughter is really enjoying it.

00:50:53.000 My father is a great dramatic reader, so he's sitting inside right now reading to my daughter, and it is pretty spectacular.

00:50:59.000 Go check that out.

00:51:00.000 It's charming.

00:51:00.000 It'll relax you as a parent.

00:51:02.000 It'll relax you to read The Complete Tales of Winnie the Pooh.

00:51:04.000 Go check it out right now by A.A.

00:51:06.000 Milne.

00:51:06.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:51:08.000 So, on a Friday, I have many, many things that I hate today.

00:51:16.000 So many things I hate. 0.99

00:51:18.000 Let's begin with Joe Biden saying dumb stuff. 0.97

00:51:21.000 So, Joe Biden, yesterday, he suggested that President Trump will postpone the election. 0.97

00:51:26.000 He said, mark my words, I think he's going to try to kick back the election somehow and come up with some...

00:51:34.000 He said he's going to come up with some rationale why it can't be held.

00:51:37.000 Imagine threatening not to fund the post office.

00:51:39.000 Now what in God's name is that about?

00:51:41.000 Other than trying to let the word out that he's going to do all he can to make it hard for people to vote, that's the only way he thinks he can possibly win.

00:51:47.000 This is not how the Constitution of the United States works.

00:51:50.000 You can't just propone an election as the president.

00:51:52.000 Not how it works.

00:51:53.000 It requires an act of Congress to change the electoral rules. 1.00

00:51:56.000 And Joe Biden is an idiot. 1.00

00:51:57.000 He doesn't know anything about the Constitution of the United States. 1.00

00:52:00.000 And neither do members of the media, because somebody should have asked him the follow-up question, um, how?

00:52:06.000 Hell, Trump's just gonna say we're not doing an election this year?

00:52:10.000 How is that possible?

00:52:11.000 And the answer is, it's not possible.

00:52:12.000 But the thing is, members of our media don't know very much about the Constitution either.

00:52:16.000 Because nobody in this country knows very much about American history.

00:52:19.000 There's a story out of the Associated Press today.

00:52:22.000 The latest Nations report card shows eighth graders scores in U.S.

00:52:25.000 history and geography declining since 2014.

00:52:27.000 Results that Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Thursday called stark and inexcusable.

00:52:32.000 Maybe the fact that all the schools are out right now and people are at home means the kids will actually increase their educational capacity because I'll tell you what, they're not doing much in public schools apparently.

00:52:40.000 Civic scores on the 2018 assessments Or the same as in the last round of tests four years earlier.

00:52:44.000 The assessments were given for the first time digitally on tablets instead of on paper.

00:52:47.000 They were administered to 42,700 8th grade students in 780 public and private schools across the nation.

00:52:54.000 Administrators said that lower-performing students lost more ground than middle and higher-performing students, mirroring a pattern seen in recent reading and math scores, which of course is not a great shock.

00:53:02.000 Very often, low-performing students are not performing badly through any fault of their own.

00:53:06.000 It's because they don't have the same sort of familial infrastructure that higher-performing students generally have.

00:53:11.000 The problem is likely to be made worse by the loss of class time caused by coronavirus.

00:53:15.000 Across all three subjects, a quarter or less of students scored at or above proficient, meaning they showed a solid understanding of challenging concepts.

00:53:24.000 Another quarter or more failed to demonstrate a level of basic understanding the results showed.

00:53:30.000 So that means that only a quarter scored at or above proficient, so one in four students scored at or above proficient, and 25% did not even have a basic level of understanding.

00:53:41.000 DeVos said in a written statement, in the real world, this means students don't know what the Lincoln-Douglas debates were about, nor can they discuss the significance of the Bill of Rights or point out basic locations on a map.

00:53:50.000 Only 15% of them have a reasonable knowledge of U.S. history.

00:53:53.000 All Americans should take a moment to think about the concerning implications for the future of our country.

00:53:57.000 The score gaps between white students and black and Hispanic peers did not change significantly from 2016.

00:54:02.000 The average U.S.

00:54:03.000 history score out of 500 in 2018 was 263 out of 500.

00:54:04.000 to 2019, the average U.S. history score out of 500 in 2018 was 263 out of 500.

00:54:12.000 So if you're just taking baseline guesses, you'd probably end up in that ballpark.

00:54:16.000 The results categorized 15% of 8th graders as proficient when asked, for example, to explain the significance of certain documents and ideas in American history.

00:54:23.000 History scores declined across the board for white, black, and Hispanic students.

00:54:27.000 The average geography score was 258 out of 500.

00:54:30.000 The 2018 civics score, which measured students' knowledge of government, only about 24% scored at or above proficient.

00:54:37.000 There was no significant change across ethnic groups.

00:54:39.000 Okay, why does this matter?

00:54:40.000 The reason this matters is because we are in the midst, and this battle has not waned thanks to coronavirus.

00:54:46.000 of a serious debate over what the country means, over what America is.

00:54:50.000 You're seeing a lot of stories these days about whether American exceptionalism has been tested by all of this.

00:54:54.000 We are not exceptional.

00:54:55.000 We're bad.

00:54:56.000 We're cruel.

00:54:57.000 I've read some of these pieces.

00:54:58.000 Bernie Sanders talking about how we need to fundamentally restructure American society.

00:55:01.000 A piece from a guy named Wen over at the New York Times suggesting that American history is a history of racist, settler colonization and oppression.

00:55:11.000 And that America needs to move beyond the unfettered, unbridled greed of capitalism into a new era. 0.85

00:55:18.000 In order to believe these things, you have to be really ignorant about American history.

00:55:22.000 Like you have to be taught a version of American history that is context free.

00:55:25.000 You have to basically read a synopsis of Howard Zinn, which is very often what is being taught in these schools.

00:55:31.000 You have to not understand what American history is truly all about.

00:55:34.000 When you don't teach American history in the proper way, when people don't know American history, when they don't know the Constitution, when they don't know the Declaration of Independence, they start to believe that America is just basically a bordered country in which we are all trapped as a series of competing interest groups.

00:55:48.000 And this is what a lot of people on the left would like.

00:55:50.000 I have a new book coming out that is on this topic in July.

00:55:52.000 What many on the left would like is for us to believe that we are not part of the same America, that America was never an idea.

00:56:00.000 It was never a creed.

00:56:01.000 It was never an ideal that we were striving toward.

00:56:03.000 Instead, America was basically a bunch of fuzzy words put on a piece of paper so that people who are in positions of power could continue to oppress people who are not in positions of power.

00:56:11.000 And that pattern continues until today. 1.00

00:56:13.000 Study of American history is crucial and vital to understanding how wrong and stupid this is. 0.99

00:56:17.000 It's also crucial and vital to understanding how often politicians just say things that are utterly unrealistic and ridiculous. 0.98

00:56:22.000 When Joe Biden says things like, the president will just push off the election, a cursory glance at the Constitution of the United States would tell people, this is not possible.

00:56:30.000 You cannot just do that.

00:56:31.000 But nobody knows that because nobody actually has read the Constitution of the United States.

00:56:35.000 When people on the left suggest that America's unbridled, unfettered greed derives from its settler colonization past, that is so context-free.

00:56:43.000 It is free of the context that all of human history is basically about people settling and conquering and colonizing.

00:56:48.000 And that does not mean that the sins of America's past are not sins.

00:56:52.000 It does mean that to take those out of context as though those are unique to America, whereas the greatnesses of America are somehow international in scope or just things that happen.

00:57:00.000 It is a complete reversal of actual American history.

00:57:03.000 And you see this from the left all the time.

00:57:05.000 You see this idea that when America accomplishes something, it's a world accomplishment.

00:57:08.000 You saw this around the marking of the 50th anniversary of the Apollo, the Apollo moon landing.

00:57:13.000 You saw that people were saying, oh, it was a global accomplishment.

00:57:16.000 No, that was an American accomplishment.

00:57:18.000 So a global accomplishment, according to the left, the Apollo flights to the moon, global accomplishment.

00:57:25.000 The vast rise from poverty to unprecedented prosperity.

00:57:30.000 The fighting of disease.

00:57:31.000 Not an American accomplishment, a global accomplishment.

00:57:34.000 Slavery and American accomplishment, right? 0.82

00:57:36.000 Anything that was universal and bad, that's uniquely American.

00:57:39.000 Everything that sprang from America and has provided benefits to everybody else is universal accomplishment.

00:57:45.000 Many on the left want to see America as an inherently bad place, and the only counter effect to that is the disinfectant of true knowledge of American history and understanding of American history.

00:57:52.000 It's why the 1619 Project, which is a bunch of bad history put out by the New York Times, is really damaging.

00:57:58.000 It is context-free history.

00:57:59.000 It is why the goal of the left, which is to portray America in a bad light, has serious Implications for the future of the country.

00:58:06.000 Dividing us along racial and class lines in order so that the left can recast America as a bad guy and then redraw all of the American bargain.

00:58:14.000 That's incredibly dangerous.

00:58:15.000 That's what people are fighting against.

00:58:17.000 And this has been channeled now into the coronavirus fight.

00:58:19.000 Because a lot of the people who are protesting against the lockdowns, what they are saying is we are deeply suspicious that there are a lot of people at the governmental level who are perfectly comfortable with rewriting the bargain between Americans and their government on the back of a global pandemic.

00:58:32.000 I've said this for a while.

00:58:33.000 I think that that skepticism is warranted.

00:58:36.000 I do not think that means that we have to pretend the disease is not dangerous.

00:58:39.000 It's incredibly dangerous that we have to pretend that lockdown measures were completely useless.

00:58:45.000 I don't know, particularly in New York City, I don't think they were completely useless.

00:58:48.000 But when you see a near 100% crossover in the Venn diagram, like it's a circle between the people who think America is bad and the people who want continued lockdown, that starts to make people suspicious.

00:59:01.000 And that, again, you want to remove the political considerations from this?

00:59:04.000 Stop proclaiming that America needs fundamental change on the back of a black swan event that is the worst in modern American history.

00:59:13.000 Ignorance is a breeding ground for hatred of America. 0.92

00:59:16.000 Ignorance is a breeding ground for that.

00:59:17.000 And so the fact that our schools have failed so dramatically in teaching people the basics of American history is a complete tragedy.

00:59:23.000 Okay, another thing that I hate today.

00:59:27.000 The government just continues to spend inordinate amounts of money.

00:59:30.000 The House approved another aid package.

00:59:32.000 The aid package had to be done. 0.99

00:59:34.000 The Paycheck Protection Act had been essentially exhausted immediately because, like all big government programs that are rushed out the door, it was a piece of crap. 0.91

00:59:43.000 I mean, it turns out that they didn't have good standards for who could borrow and who could not borrow. 0.79

00:59:46.000 You had Harvard University getting money out of the thing.

00:59:49.000 You had big corporations that actually didn't need the money getting money out of the thing.

00:59:53.000 And you saw the same thing with the CARES Act.

00:59:54.000 I mean, one of the big disasters of the CARES Act, Trillion-dollar spending plan is that there was a part of the plan that made it so that you would make more money on unemployment in some cases than you would make at a business.

01:00:05.000 And people like Bernie Sanders are like, why do we care?

01:00:08.000 Just get the money out there.

01:00:09.000 Just pay people not to work.

01:00:10.000 What's the problem?

01:00:11.000 They're not working.

01:00:11.000 Pay them.

01:00:12.000 You think they want to not work?

01:00:13.000 But then you see people like AOC, who's campaigning with Bernie, telling people actively not to work.

01:00:18.000 You can't have it both ways.

01:00:19.000 Bernie was like, you can pay people more to not work than to work, but people love to work.

01:00:22.000 They'll go back to work when they can.

01:00:23.000 And then you have AOC being like, but what if we don't?

01:00:26.000 What if, like, we stay home, like, forever?

01:00:27.000 Like, well, like, well, uh-huh.

01:00:29.000 Yeah, bro.

01:00:30.000 Yeah, like, well, uh-huh.

01:00:33.000 So the CARES Act had a lot of problems with it.

01:00:35.000 The new bill also has many problems with it.

01:00:37.000 It is $484 billion to restore that depleted loan program for distressed small businesses.

01:00:43.000 One of the big problems with these distressed loan programs is that When the government is handing out loans to basically fill in the damage, there are two competing priorities here, and we ought to acknowledge them.

01:00:54.000 One is, the government did unbelievable damage to your business by shutting down the economy.

01:00:57.000 The other is, when we come out the other side of this, your business may still be damaged because the underlying conditions have changed.

01:01:03.000 Meaning there are certain businesses, because they're locked down, they'll come back, right?

01:01:06.000 They're not businesses that were dependent on in-person clientele meeting in small amounts of space, for example.

01:01:11.000 So let's say that you own a jewelry business and the government shut you down, but most of your work was done online.

01:01:17.000 People are coming in kind of on a sporadic basis.

01:01:19.000 It's not like your shop is super crowded all the time.

01:01:21.000 You make your money by selling expensive items.

01:01:22.000 You're probably fine, right?

01:01:23.000 You go back to work and what the market that was there, it's changed some because people are not as rich as they were, but The fundamental underlying market conditions for your business have not changed in a severe way.

01:01:37.000 You're a restaurant owner, and you own a bodega in New York City that can fit a person with social distancing.

01:01:43.000 Not like it can fit 10 tables.

01:01:44.000 It can fit a person, a human being, once you socially distance.

01:01:47.000 When you come back to work, the government providing you a loan to keep that business afloat is actually just a giant waste of money.

01:01:52.000 The government actually should just have said, your business is basically dead and now we're going to pay you to be on unemployment for a while and compensate you for that loss, but we can't float loans to businesses that are going to be unsuccessful.

01:02:02.000 This is why I suggested that the best way to do this was to have banks actually assess risk in loans and then have the government promote the bank's lending under these circumstances to businesses that need money floated to them.

01:02:15.000 In other words, if the loan was a bad loan, then there is no reason why you should continue to float the loan.

01:02:20.000 As this continues, there's going to be a lot of pressure for the government to continue to float money to businesses that are not going to be viable on the other end of this because underlying human activity has changed.

01:02:31.000 That actually is a serious problem.

01:02:32.000 And it's one of the reasons why we actually need to get back to work.

01:02:34.000 One of the reasons we need the lockdowns to end and we need to get back to work is because we need to know what the market feedback loop looks like.

01:02:40.000 The way that you can tell which businesses are going to be successful and which ones are not is when people get back out there and they start to actually patronize businesses again.

01:02:47.000 And then we need fluidity in the labor market. 0.76

01:02:49.000 All the people who are losing jobs in the restaurant industry, if let's say the delivery industry is now going to rise concomitant with that.

01:02:57.000 Or let's say that the retail industry is going down, the online industry is rising.

01:03:01.000 People need to be able to know that so they can move from one industry into the other.

01:03:05.000 Fluidity of labor can only be had when you have full transparency into what the market is demanding of particular businesses.

01:03:13.000 Creating glue in that system is actually not a very good idea.

01:03:16.000 But unfortunately, it's not just that glue that's a problem.

01:03:19.000 It is also the fact that the Democrats are now pushing for states to be bailed out.

01:03:23.000 Now, if the state has incurred some sort of debt on the back of federal mandates and federal recommendations and damage done by the federal government, going to the federal government to be filled in is not a particularly horrible idea.

01:03:35.000 If, however, states are basically coming and saying, so, here's the deal, guys.

01:03:38.000 We ran up a massive credit card, like huge, over the past few years.

01:03:43.000 And now, we'd love for you to fill that in.

01:03:46.000 No, the federal government should not be filling that in.

01:03:48.000 So Mitch McConnell said, listen, if you are the state of California and you are running this massive debt, state of California has an enormous amount of debt.

01:03:54.000 You're the state of New York.

01:03:55.000 The state of New York has on the books $137 billion of debt.

01:03:59.000 It is probably a lot more than that because they have unfunded liabilities that they lie about.

01:04:03.000 California does.

01:04:04.000 California will sign contracts with unions and then say, don't worry, don't worry guys.

01:04:08.000 We've set up a pension fund for you and it's going to earn out at 7% a year.

01:04:11.000 If I could get 7% a year on my investments, I'd be investing with the state of California.

01:04:15.000 It's just nonsense.

01:04:16.000 They've just been filling these things in in union contracts, understanding they're going to have to tax people and sell bonds later to pay for it.

01:04:21.000 With all of that said, these states are running massive deficits.

01:04:24.000 So Mitch McConnell was like, okay, you incurred new costs from coronavirus.

01:04:27.000 Your economy is going to get hit.

01:04:28.000 You're not going to take in as much tax revenue.

01:04:30.000 You're not going to be able to fulfill your obligations.

01:04:32.000 You should do what municipalities have been doing.

01:04:34.000 You should renegotiate your debt with these various entities and pension funds, because it is not up to the taxpayers of Kentucky or Texas to pay for this.

01:04:42.000 So Mitch McConnell said this.

01:04:44.000 And then all of the various left-wing big blue governors and senators decided to go crazy on him.

01:04:51.000 Here is Chuck Schumer saying, McConnell is being, he's just being mean.

01:04:54.000 He's being mean.

01:04:56.000 No, me paying your credit card bill for things unrelated to coronavirus is not actually being mean.

01:05:01.000 That's just called common sense.

01:05:02.000 Here's Chuck Schumer.

01:05:04.000 Mitch McConnell's remarks are so far out of the mainstream, he's gonna have to walk them back.

01:05:09.000 This is not an abstract concept.

01:05:11.000 There are food safety inspectors risking their lives to see that the food that's produced is safe, and so many others that are vital, and to just sort of give them the back of your hand.

01:05:21.000 And say, go bankrupt, which is huge pain to millions of families across America.

01:05:27.000 It's a position that is hard to imagine.

01:05:30.000 It is mean-spirited.

01:05:32.000 And Senator McConnell, as I said, he will have to walk this back.

01:05:36.000 You should not walk this back.

01:05:37.000 The fact is that if a state incurred debt that has nothing to do with coronavirus and now your revenues aren't meeting what you thought they were going to meet, that's just called you being bad at business.

01:05:44.000 And notice the consistency here.

01:05:47.000 I'm saying that if you're a business that is not viable, people should not be floating you loans.

01:05:50.000 And if you're a state that is not viable, people should not be floating you loans.

01:05:53.000 They should certainly not be bailing you out, right?

01:05:55.000 They should pay for the damage they've done at the federal level, and then you should have been fiscally responsible if you're a state.

01:06:00.000 And if you have to renegotiate those, like, where does the money come from?

01:06:03.000 Either it's coming from states that are more fiscally responsible, or it's coming from future taxpayers who did not make these deals in the first place.

01:06:09.000 The money does not grow on trees.

01:06:11.000 But here you have Andrew Cuomo slamming McConnell's bailout comments as well.

01:06:14.000 That's not who we are.

01:06:17.000 It's just not who we are as a people.

01:06:18.000 I mean, if there's ever a time for humanity and decency, now is the time.

01:06:26.000 And if there was ever a time to stop your political, obsessive political bias and anger, which is what it's morphed into, just a political anger, Now is the time.

01:06:43.000 And you want to politically divide this nation now?

01:06:46.000 With all that's going on?

01:06:49.000 How irresponsible and how reckless.

01:06:52.000 No, what's irresponsible and reckless is racking up debt for years.

01:06:55.000 For years and years and years and years and decades.

01:06:56.000 And then being like, oh look, our revenues didn't meet the shortfall, how about you bail me out?

01:07:00.000 That is the definition of irresponsibility.

01:07:02.000 The Wall Street Journal points out that Cuomo warned for months about a $6 billion state deficit thanks to runaway Medicaid costs and taxpayers leaving his high-tax state.

01:07:10.000 He signed a $177 billion business-as-usual budget on April 3rd that allows him to borrow $11 billion if spending exceeds revenue.

01:07:17.000 In Illinois, J.B.

01:07:18.000 Pritzker proposed a $41 billion budget including $9 billion for public pensions.

01:07:22.000 He raised taxes in 2019.

01:07:24.000 He wants to make the state's current flat tax progressive if voters approve a constitutional change this fall.

01:07:29.000 And yet, he and the unions who own the Statehouse have blocked pension or spending reforms.

01:07:33.000 Bottom line is that these states have been irresponsible for years.

01:07:35.000 So has the federal government, by the way. 0.92

01:07:37.000 Racking up 21 trillion dollars in debt on the back of basically bullcrap.

01:07:40.000 And then being like, oh look, we don't have enough money.

01:07:43.000 No, the answer is no.

01:07:45.000 States should declare bankruptcy if they have been so fiscally irresponsible that now they're asking to be bailed out, not from coronavirus-related decisions, but everything else.

01:07:52.000 McConnell is saying the right thing here.

01:07:53.000 And fiscal responsibility, last I checked, should still be a priority for our congresspeople, even though apparently it never will be again, and we're just going to spend money that doesn't exist until the end of time, and then hyperinflate our way out of it 10 years from now, or create austerity renegotiations in 10 years, which is most likely to happen.

01:08:08.000 Here's the bottom line.

01:08:08.000 You can either renegotiate it now and be fiscally responsible, or you can renegotiate it later when you have a bunch of people who are waiting on their pensions, many more people than now, and who are going to be deprived of those pensions because the states are too lazy and the politicians are too gutless to make hard decisions right now.

01:08:23.000 Okay.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 24, 2020

Sunlight Is The Best Disinfectant | Ep. 997

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