The Ben Shapiro Show - The 3 Big Lies About Israel And Hamas

00:00:00.000 The easiest moral place to stand is in the middle.

00:00:03.000 Standing in the middle is comforting.

00:00:04.000 It grants you the illusion that you're being even-handed, that you see nuance and complexity where others just see black and white.

00:00:10.000 It's flattering to be in the middle.

00:00:12.000 No one hates your viewpoint enough to make you their opponent, and yet you get to stand apart from everyone, tut-tutting both sides.

00:00:18.000 When it comes to Israel and its terror-supporting enemies, the West has, for some decades, taken precisely that middle position.

00:00:24.000 Sure, Israel should be able to defend itself, but not too much.

00:00:27.000 Yes, Israel has the right to exist, but it must make concessions to those who openly seek Israel's destruction.

00:00:33.000 When Israel's enemies pursue the worst atrocities in four generations, it's difficult to maintain that position of steady neutrality.

00:00:39.000 In which attacks on Israel are chalked up to political differences and shrugged away, it turns out that scenes of brutally massacred children, women, and men tend to upset the moral stomach.

00:00:49.000 But then, the stomach settles again.

00:00:51.000 All it takes to return to that sophisticated neutrality is a few false platitudes, a few comforting lies.

00:00:57.000 Three of those lies in particular have been provided in significant supply by the hard left and its allies in the legacy media.

00:01:04.000 The first lie is that Israel must be warned not to engage in human rights violations.

00:01:09.000 We hear this all the time from the president of the United States, from the United Nations, from the president of France, from the media. 0.91

00:01:14.000 The idea is that if Israel's leadership isn't reminded in the wake of the worst pogrom since the Holocaust, those rude Jews might do something truly evil. 0.95

00:01:23.000 They might carpet bomb Gaza. 0.99

00:01:24.000 They might nuke the place.

00:01:26.000 The purpose of the lie is really simple.

00:01:27.000 To get Israel to stop defending itself at the first available opportunity. 0.86

00:01:31.000 See, if you warn the world that Israel has to be warned not to pursue atrocities, and then, as inevitably happens in a war, something awful happens, Israel can be blamed, and they can quickly be shoved back into the box of moral equivalence.

00:01:42.000 Voila! 1.00

00:01:43.000 Status quo anti-restored. 0.97

00:01:45.000 Of course, this lie is a lie and it is a stupidly offensive lie in the same way that it is a lie when the United Nations warns the United States about human rights violations. 0.87

00:01:53.000 Israel is a professional military. 0.98

00:01:55.000 It abides by the rules of war. 0.89

00:01:57.000 Its enemies openly cheer the death of civilians, both Israel's and their own.

00:02:00.000 By all rights, the entire political and media infrastructure ought to be using their supposed moral suasion on human rights to convince Hamas to release hostages and protect, you know, Gazan civilians.

00:02:10.000 But of course, there's no interest in that.

00:02:12.000 The lie must be maintained.

00:02:14.000 Israel has to be warned about human rights because secretly, if it weren't for the intervention of the West, the Jews would just be like Hamas. 0.98

00:02:21.000 That's lie number one.

00:02:22.000 Then there's the second lie.

00:02:24.000 That we must all remember the vaunted peace process.

00:02:26.000 Yes, the two-state solution.

00:02:28.000 The peace process that was obviously and clearly and openly stated a ruse undertaken by Yasser Arafat in order to provide the jumping-off point for a genocidal war on the Jews.

00:02:38.000 The peace process that has ended in the election of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority and Islamic Jihad in the West Bank.

00:02:45.000 We must, and the lie goes, remember the two-state solution.

00:02:47.000 It's just so important.

00:02:49.000 Of course, this lie is dangerous, too.

00:02:51.000 It's dangerous because, once again, it inevitably places the blame on Israel for murder of Jews in Israel.

00:02:57.000 If only the Jews had made more concessions. 0.99

00:02:59.000 Other than, you know, the partition plan of 1947 accepted by the Jews, rejected by the Arabs, or the Egyptian-Israeli peace deal of 1979, the Arab states boycotted Egypt after Anwar Sadat's peace with Israel for almost a decade, the Oslo Accords themselves, Ehud Barak's 2000 Camp David proposal rejected by Yasser Arafat, Who then initiated a violent terror war resulting in the death of 1,184 Israelis, the Gaza withdrawal of 2005, Hamas was elected and has been launching terror attacks ever since, Ehud Olmert's 2008 peace plan rejected outright by Mahmoud Abbas without a counter-offer, and even Donald Trump's so-called deal of the century rejected before even being seen.

00:03:32.000 But the lie goes, Israel must continue to make painful concessions.

00:03:36.000 If they don't, Jew murder is inevitable. 1.00

00:03:39.000 So when Jews get killed, it's actually the Jews' fault. 0.99

00:03:41.000 Moral equivalence restored.

00:03:43.000 Finally, there's the third and most comforting lie, that anti-Zionism, the wish for the destruction or non-presence of the State of Israel, has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

00:03:53.000 That lie is currently being encouraged by the equation of antisemitism with Islamophobia.

00:03:58.000 This is happening all over the place.

00:04:00.000 The antisemitism we see today on college campuses is part and parcel of the antisemitism that ended with the slaughter of 1,500 Jews in the Gaza envelope.

00:04:07.000 Hatred of Jews is the driving force behind hatred of Israel.

00:04:11.000 But in order to restore any semblance of moral cover for hating Israel, you have to separate anti-Semitism from anti-Zionism.

00:04:18.000 This allows you to hate Jews while pretending to just hate Israel. 0.78

00:04:21.000 The easiest way to accomplish this is to downplay the obvious reflection between international Jew hatred and attacks on Israel, and instead to subsume anti-Semitism under a broader, different rubric of lack of multicultural tolerance. 0.86

00:04:34.000 Now, this is a lie, and it's an obvious lie.

00:04:37.000 Of course, there are occasional acts of targeting of Muslims.

00:04:39.000 And they are nothing like the targeting of Jews.

00:04:41.000 These are not the same category.

00:04:43.000 They do not follow the same logic.

00:04:44.000 They are not the same perpetrators.

00:04:45.000 They do not occur anywhere near as frequently.

00:04:47.000 They are not spurred by the sort of cycle of violence in the Middle East talk that you keep hearing about. 0.97

00:04:52.000 All of these comforting lies are useful in allowing the morally idiotic to attempt to regain a moral high ground via a falsely restored moral equivalent. 0.98

00:05:00.000 And how eager they are for that moral equivalence! 0.99

00:05:02.000 How badly they want it!

00:05:03.000 How deeply they seek it!

00:05:05.000 How many people are itching for some terrible thing to happen?

00:05:09.000 In the war so they can blame Israel and then go right back to Israel and its opponents, they're just the same. 0.69

00:05:13.000 A site gets bombed by Israel that is a Hamas site and some of the shrapnel hits the wall of a church and some people get killed and it's Israel was targeting a church.

00:05:21.000 People are looking for the off-ramp.

00:05:23.000 This moral equivalent allows, for example, leftist Jews to pretend they won't be lumped in with their fellow Jews by the intersectional coalition. 0.60

00:05:30.000 It allows the intersectional to pretend that they are on the side of the righteous, even as they make excuses for Hamas. 0.65

00:05:35.000 It allows the international community to continue to pressure Israel after the biggest mass murder of Jews since, again, the Holocaust.

00:05:42.000 Never again does it apply, after all, if the Jews, in the end, are part of the problem. 1.00

00:05:46.000 And so, after approximately one week of global dyspepsia with the evil of Hamas, the world is gradually returning to its steady diet of moral equivalents. 0.93

00:05:54.000 They're doing so with eagerness.

00:05:56.000 This is why the New York Times was so excited to run with the false story of an Israeli airstrike on a hospital, believing a genocidal terror group from the jump.

00:06:04.000 That story would have made their lives so much easier.

00:06:06.000 Even in their retraction yesterday, they're still claiming the problem wasn't that they trusted Hamas, but that they just moved too fast.

00:06:11.000 It was really not their fault after all.

00:06:12.000 Quote, the early versions of the coverage and the prominence it received in a headline, news alert and social media channels relied too heavily on claims by Hamas and did not make clear that those claims could not immediately be verified.

00:06:22.000 The report left readers with an incorrect impression about what was known and how credible the account was, says the New York Times.

00:06:28.000 Of course, the real problem was trusting Hamas at all. 0.78

00:06:32.000 But you can't trust Hamas, can you? 0.96

00:06:34.000 The only reason to trust Hamas from the jump is because, again, you wish to restore that moral equivalence. 0.80

00:06:38.000 Moral equivalence between a legitimate state that protects its citizens and a terror group that seeks the extermination of that other state's citizens and shields its own rockets with civilians.

00:06:48.000 That ends with blood.

00:06:49.000 It ends with blood.

00:06:50.000 Calls for concessions to terrorist groups end with blood.

00:06:53.000 Preventing military intervention to protect citizens of the West from terrorists ends with blood.

00:06:59.000 Moral equivalence is a sin.

00:07:01.000 Standing in the middle is not a sign of some sort of moral righteousness.

00:07:05.000 It is a sign of weakness of mind and lack of moral backbone.

00:07:08.000 In just one second, we'll get to more on these lies because these lies have become incredibly prevalent.

00:07:13.000 You're seeing them all over the place promoted by everyone from Joe Biden to Barack Obama to certain members of the right.

00:07:17.000 We'll get to that momentarily first.

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00:08:21.000 Okay, so.

00:08:23.000 Let's get to some of these lies.

00:08:24.000 Because again, the narrative is switching, and it's switching really fast, really fast.

00:08:28.000 Now, I would just like everyone to remember, after 9-11, it took a couple of years for the narrative to switch to the overarching evil of America and America's role in the Middle East.

00:08:38.000 And maybe, maybe actually bin Laden was right. 0.99

00:08:40.000 Maybe it was American imperialism that drove, it took a little while to get there.

00:08:44.000 When it comes to the Jews, it takes like five seconds. 0.96

00:08:47.000 So Jews get slaughtered, by the way, in overwhelmingly peacenik leftist areas of Israel. 0.51

00:08:52.000 One of the things that is so amazing about this is that Hamas could not be clearer and its advocates could not be clearer in who they want to see die. 0.96

00:08:59.000 And the answer is every Jew. 0.86

00:09:01.000 The people in, for example, Kibbutz Beri, which is one of the places that was completely ravaged, like half the population is dead in Kibbutz Beri, in the last Israeli election cycle, these are not members of Likud.

00:09:12.000 These are not right-wingers.

00:09:15.000 About three quarters of that kibbutz voted for the left-wing or far left-wing parties in the Israeli elections.

00:09:22.000 It's the equivalent of terrorists attacking, like, the center of San Francisco.

00:09:26.000 And yet the idea is, from, you know, all of the terror apologists, that the real reason this is happening is because of the intransigence of the Jews, or whatever. 0.98

00:09:33.000 When the real reason this is happening, of course, is because the Jews have this pesky insistence on not dying, on living, on breathing, There's a cartoon that's going around that's fairly accurate that shows a Hamas terrorist with a bomb strapped to his chest and a baby saying, I want to kill all the Jews. 0.97

00:09:50.000 And then on the other side is Bibi Netanyahu.

00:09:51.000 And in the center is the international community saying to Netanyahu, can you meet him halfway?

00:09:56.000 And that's essentially the status quo ante that we are now reverting to.

00:10:00.000 Okay, so, I mentioned three big lies here.

00:10:02.000 The first big lie is that Israel has to constantly be pressured to maintain human rights.

00:10:06.000 When do you see this?

00:10:07.000 Seriously, I'm wondering, when?

00:10:09.000 Has there been one word to Ukraine, to Vladimir Zelensky, about preserving human rights?

00:10:14.000 One word.

00:10:15.000 Can you name one?

00:10:16.000 I cannot.

00:10:17.000 Has Joe Biden ever, ever publicly said under any circumstances, Vladimir Zelensky, your country is under attack by the Russians, but we have to make sure that you really maintain human rights.

00:10:27.000 Now, have Ukrainian forces violated human rights in certain occasions?

00:10:31.000 Of course, because it's a war and that's what happens. 0.57

00:10:33.000 But you don't see Joe Biden out there every single day being like, well, you know, those Ukrainians, you never know, they might go crazy.

00:10:39.000 You don't see that ever.

00:10:41.000 Did you hear that with regard to even American troops in Iraq, in Afghanistan?

00:10:44.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:10:45.000 Did you hear about British troops or French troops who are involved in the coalition forces in these places?

00:10:49.000 Of course not.

00:10:51.000 The only place you ever hear this lie is with regard to Israel, as though Israel is equivalent with its opposition. 0.98

00:10:56.000 So Israel, this allows the perverse logic by which you see morons on television, or terror apologists masquerading as morons on television, saying things like, well, you know, Jews were killed in Kibbutz Beri and Kfar Aza, but also babies are being incinerated in Gaza. 0.98

00:11:11.000 You mean for completely different reasons? 0.98

00:11:13.000 Meaning, yes, it's horrible and awful when babies die in Gaza, and that is all the fault of Hamas, which launched the war and is keeping, physically, babies in places they should not be keeping the babies. 0.98

00:11:23.000 I saw yesterday a clip of some dolt on British TV suggesting, for example, that, you know, it's of no consequence when Israel warns civilians to get out before it hits a building.

00:11:33.000 Of course, that's a catch-22. 0.80

00:11:34.000 That's a catch-22 because if Israel didn't warn, then it would be an atrocity. 0.93

00:11:37.000 But if Israel does warn, then it's still an atrocity. 0.99

00:11:40.000 So in other words, when Israel takes precautions to save civilians, according to this idiot, this obviously is because Israel doesn't care about human rights. 0.98

00:11:46.000 But if Israel didn't give the warning, then also Israel would not care about human rights. 1.00

00:11:50.000 And this is all stupidity. 0.99

00:11:51.000 And Joe Biden promotes it because again, there is this, the moral equivalence must be restored so we can all go back to our comforting illusions about how everyone in the world thinks like us. 1.00

00:11:59.000 There are no true barbarians in the world.

00:12:02.000 There are not people who seek the act of destruction of the West and the murder of children.

00:12:05.000 We have to, we're all the same.

00:12:06.000 And if only we could sit down at a table together and have tea, We would all be best friends. 0.99

00:12:11.000 And it's a lie, and it's a stupid lie, and also it's an anti-Semitic lie in the sense that, again, it equates a moral state, which Israel is. 0.99

00:12:19.000 It has a legitimate military that pursues legitimate military goals with a murderous ISIS-like gang in Hamas, a Nazi group that broadcasts its own atrocities on television, and teaches its children that atrocities against Jews are an active public good. 1.00

00:12:35.000 So Joe Biden yesterday, he tweeted out along these lines, And this is, again, typical Joe Biden. 1.00

00:12:41.000 This is the foreign policy wisdom of the morons. 0.99

00:12:44.000 Biden said, Israel has a right to defend itself. 0.99

00:12:46.000 We must make sure they have what they need to protect their people today and always.

00:12:49.000 So far, the tweet should stop right there.

00:12:50.000 That's the end of it.

00:12:51.000 And if this were Britain that had been attacked, that would be the end of the tweet, but it's not.

00:12:54.000 It's the Jews. 1.00

00:12:55.000 So Biden says, at the same time, Prime Minister Netanyahu and I have discussed how Israel must operate by the laws of war.

00:13:00.000 Again, the implication being that if it were not for Joe Biden twisting Netanyahu's arm, he'd be going in there with the tanks and just running over kids.

00:13:06.000 Just for fun, which of course is absurd.

00:13:08.000 Israel abandoned the Gaza Strip in 2005.

00:13:11.000 They've undergone dozens of rounds with thousands of rockets fired at Israel.

00:13:18.000 And Israel has never engaged in the sorts of human rights violations that Biden seems to be implying Israel would engage in if he weren't there kind of, you know, massaging them to stopping.

00:13:26.000 Quote, that means protecting civilians in combat as best they can.

00:13:28.000 We can't ignore the humanity of innocent Palestinians who only want to live in peace.

00:13:32.000 That's why I secured an agreement for the first shipment of humanitarian assistance for Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

00:13:37.000 And we cannot give up on a two-state solution.

00:13:38.000 We'll get to the two-state solution lie in just one second, because again, there is no one for Israel to negotiate with. 0.64

00:13:43.000 Israel has been trying.

00:13:45.000 But again, the lie here, the implicit lie, and it is a lie, is that in the end, it's because of Israeli intransigent and also the Israelis, they're really mean. 0.94

00:13:52.000 And if they weren't so mean, if they weren't so mean, none of this would be happening. 0.99

00:13:56.000 And it's complete and utter rubbish. 0.97

00:13:57.000 We'll get to more on this momentarily first. 0.97

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00:14:40.000 Okay, so, it's not just Joe Biden who's telling this big lie number one, which is that Israel, if it weren't for America, Israel would just be gloves off murdering people.

00:14:49.000 Barack Obama, of course, does this as well.

00:14:51.000 Now, Barack Obama, I said many, many years ago, is effectively anti-Semitic in his approach to Israel.

00:14:55.000 This has been true since he became president.

00:14:57.000 Barack Obama is the only president in American history who tried to deny aid to Israel in the middle... He literally tried to stop the resupply of Iron Dome in the middle of a war in 2014.

00:15:08.000 Barack Obama stocked his administration with people who despise Israel.

00:15:11.000 Despise Israel. 0.84

00:15:12.000 Most anti-Israel president in my lifetime, bar none, not close.

00:15:15.000 And so it's no sho- Which again, melds with Barack Obama's anti-colonialist worldview, which is really a left-wing worldview left over from the 1960s.

00:15:25.000 The basic idea being that the West and its tentacles are everywhere and must be fought everywhere.

00:15:29.000 There was a shift in how Israel is perceived on the far left.

00:15:32.000 From 1948 to 67, Israel was considered Actually, an anti-colonial state because it had thrown off the British and had allowed the indigenous people of Judea, namely the Jews, to return to their homeland.

00:15:42.000 And then after the Jews won in 67, the Soviet Union decided that Israel was too pro-Western.

00:15:49.000 And so they chinned up this whole new post-colonialist nonsense where Israel is actually a Western colonial occupier, which is an amazing switch in time to save time. 0.54

00:15:57.000 But Barack Obama really believes that.

00:15:58.000 That's how he talks about the state of Israel on a routine basis.

00:16:01.000 In fact, in a speech that he made while he was president, talking about the roots of the state of Israel, he didn't attribute it to Israel's historic presence.

00:16:07.000 He didn't attribute it to, you know, Jewish history or Jewish presence.

00:16:09.000 He attributed it all to the Holocaust, meaning Israel was a colonial state, right? 0.58

00:16:13.000 That's Barack Obama's mindset.

00:16:14.000 So he has said virtually nothing about this entire conflict.

00:16:18.000 And now he puts out a statement, thoughts on Israel and Gaza, because we needed to hear from him.

00:16:22.000 He was so successful in this arena, was Barack Obama.

00:16:24.000 We need to hear from him.

00:16:25.000 So he throat clears for a couple of paragraphs about how Hamas is bad, right? 0.87

00:16:31.000 It's been 17 days since Hamas launched its horrific attack against Israel, killing over 1400 Israeli citizens, including defenseless women, children, and the elderly.

00:16:38.000 As I stated in an earlier post, Israel has a right to defend itself, but, but, right, and there's the big but, as we say, but, even as we support Israel, we should also be clear that how Israel prosecutes this fight against Hamas matters. 0.59

00:16:52.000 In particular, it matters, as Joe Biden has repeatedly emphasized, that Israel's military strategy abides by international law, including those laws that seek to avoid, to every extent possible, the death or suffering of civilian populations.

00:17:02.000 Upholding those values is important for its own sake, because it is morally just and reflects our belief in the inherent value of everyday life.

00:17:07.000 By the way, if you cared about any of this, the first priority is the destruction of Hamas.

00:17:11.000 They're the biggest human rights violators on the planet right now.

00:17:15.000 And yet, I don't see Barack Obama talking about that sort of stuff.

00:17:20.000 He, by the way, he says that he supports Biden's call for the United States to support Israel in going after Hamas, dismantling its military capabilities, and facilitating the safe return of hundreds of hostages to their family.

00:17:30.000 But, by the way, that is not the deposing of Hamas.

00:17:32.000 You'll notice.

00:17:33.000 Dismantling Hamas's military capacity, but leaving them in place would be just fine, apparently, with Barack Obama. 0.81

00:17:38.000 And again, Israel has to be leveraged.

00:17:39.000 We have to, we have to, we have to, Joe, Barack Obama's gonna stand there, he's gonna tut-tut them, all those Jews. 1.00

00:17:45.000 If I don't tell them, if I need to stop, then they're just gonna go in there and they're gonna be brutal. 0.99

00:17:48.000 They're gonna be horrible.

00:17:50.000 And then he says, this is an enormously difficult task.

00:17:52.000 War is always tragic.

00:17:53.000 Even the most carefully planned military operations often put civilians at risk.

00:17:58.000 As President Biden noted during his recent visit to Israel, America itself has at times fallen short of our higher values when engaged in war.

00:18:03.000 And in the aftermath of 9-11, the US government wasn't interested in heeding the advice of even our allies when it came to steps we took to protect ourselves against Al Qaeda.

00:18:10.000 Now, after the systematic massacre of Israeli citizens, a massacre that evokes some of the darkest memories of persecution against Jewish people, it's understandable. 0.99

00:18:17.000 Many Israelis have demanded their government do whatever it takes to root out Hamas and make sure the attacks never happen again. 0.93

00:18:22.000 Still... Again, two big butts in one piece. 1.00

00:18:26.000 Still, the world is watching closely as events in the region unfold.

00:18:30.000 Any military strategy that ignores the human cost could ultimately backfire.

00:18:33.000 Ah!

00:18:34.000 And again, there it is, right?

00:18:35.000 There it is.

00:18:36.000 If Israel defends itself, they're just going to be planting the seeds for more anti-Semitic attacks, which means it's really Israel's fault. 0.66

00:18:42.000 It's really Israel's fault in the end. 1.00

00:18:43.000 If Israel goes in too hard and they take out Hamas, but Hamas has put too many civilians in front of its rockets, well, all that's going to do is it's going to create more terror against Israel.

00:18:51.000 And then really who's to blame?

00:18:52.000 The Jews, says Barack Obama.

00:18:55.000 Because, again, the Israeli government's decision to cut off food, water, and electricity to a captive civilian population threatens not only to worsen a growing humanitarian crisis, it could further harden Palestinian attitudes for generations.

00:19:05.000 Oh, the vaunted Palestinian attitudes, because as we know, they are extremely pliable right now and have been for 30 years. 1.00

00:19:10.000 So much pliability, so much attempt for peace, so many peace-seeking people who don't exist.

00:19:15.000 That's...

00:19:17.000 Obviously, that's the big priority.

00:19:18.000 The priority after the murder of 1,500 Jews in Israel, and the kidnapping of 200, is the pliability of the Palestinian population.

00:19:25.000 By the way, Israel, I gotta say, the Gaza hospitals, where the power is still largely on, it's like Hanukkah over there.

00:19:31.000 It was one day of oil that was supposed to last for one day, lasted for eight.

00:19:35.000 We're now like 18 days into the war, and still, magically, there's still some electricity in northern Gaza.

00:19:40.000 By the way, there's still water in many.

00:19:42.000 Why?

00:19:42.000 Because Israel provided five to ten percent of all the water in the first place.

00:19:46.000 By the way, there's still full power and water in the south of Gaza.

00:19:49.000 The entire purpose of cutting off the water and power in the north is to send people to the south so you can do military operations in the north.

00:19:54.000 But Barack Obama knows that.

00:19:56.000 Instead, he's just promoting this lie.

00:19:58.000 And it goes on and on and on and on.

00:20:00.000 And then, of course, he suggests It's like all the lies at once from Barack Obama, because this is what he does.

00:20:07.000 We'll get to more of Barack Obama's lies in just one second.

00:20:09.000 Again, trying to set up that moral parody that ends with Israel endangering its own existence and blaming Israel for dead Jews.

00:20:15.000 We'll get to that momentarily first.

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00:21:18.000 Okay, so again, Barack Obama, long essay, lecturing the Jews, of course. 0.60

00:21:23.000 He says, finally, in dealing with what is an extraordinarily complex situation, again, there's the complexity, there's the, oh, so much nuance, so much complexity, because standing in the moral middle allows you to stand with the bad guys while pretending that you're not.

00:21:34.000 He says, in dealing with what's an extraordinarily complex situation where so many are in pain and passions are understandably running high, all of us need to do our best to put our best values rather than our worst fears on display.

00:21:45.000 That means actively opposing antisemitism in all of its forms everywhere.

00:21:48.000 It means rejecting efforts to minimize the terrible tragedy the Israeli people have just endured.

00:21:52.000 Notice the Israeli people, not the Jewish people, the Israeli people.

00:21:55.000 As well as the morally bankrupt suggestion that any cause can somehow justify the deliberate slaughter of innocent people.

00:22:00.000 It means rejecting anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, or anti-Palestinian sentiment.

00:22:04.000 It means refusing to lump all Palestinians with Hamas or other terrorist groups.

00:22:07.000 It means guarding against dehumanizing language toward the people of Gaza.

00:22:11.000 Okay, how about this?

00:22:12.000 How about none of this has been dehumanizing?

00:22:14.000 Civilians in Gaza are still civilians, and it's Hamas's fault they are in the way. 0.98

00:22:19.000 Quote, it means acknowledging that Palestinians have also lived in disputed territories for generations, that many of them were not only displaced when Israel was formed, but continue to be forcibly displaced by a settler movement that too often has received tacit or explicit support from the Israeli government.

00:22:31.000 Ah, ah, there it is.

00:22:32.000 It's the, ah, the two states, all the settlers, all the usual reasons why Palestinian desire for Israeli extermination is totally fine. 1.00

00:22:41.000 It's because somebody built a bathroom in a fraud.

00:22:42.000 That's really the problem.

00:22:45.000 Seriously, name them.

00:22:45.000 I'd like to hear.

00:22:46.000 Full list.

00:22:46.000 Go.

00:22:46.000 Oh, you don't have any?

00:22:47.000 two-state solution have too often had too little to show for their efforts.

00:22:49.000 Who are these Palestinian leaders who have been super willing to make concessions for 0.99

00:22:52.000 a two-state solution? Who are they? Name them. Seriously, name them. I'd like to hear.

00:22:55.000 Full list. Go. Oh, you don't have any? Oh, there's a shock.

00:22:59.000 And that it is possible for people of goodwill to champion Palestinian rights and oppose certain

00:23:04.000 Israeli government policies in the West Bank and Gaza without being anti-Semitic.

00:23:07.000 Nobody even made the accusation that you have to agree with everything Israel does.

00:23:10.000 But you do have to look at reality in the face.

00:23:13.000 Reality in the face.

00:23:14.000 The Palestinian Authority seeks the destruction of Israel.

00:23:16.000 They're not shy about this.

00:23:18.000 They lie to the West and then in Arabic they say what they actually think, which is solidarity with Hamas. 0.98

00:23:23.000 Palestinian Islamic Jihad is a terror group. 0.99

00:23:24.000 Hamas is a terror group. 0.98

00:23:25.000 I don't understand. 0.79

00:23:26.000 Well, I mean, I do.

00:23:27.000 I know exactly what's going on here.

00:23:28.000 You got to promote the lie.

00:23:29.000 And then, of course, he refers to Thomas Friedman and Ben Rhodes and all the people who agree with him on the super moral complexity of the situation, which really amounts to Israel is to blame. 0.78

00:23:40.000 And again, that's big lie number one.

00:23:42.000 Big lie number one is Israel has to be pressured because if they don't, they're just going to violate human rights. 1.00

00:23:45.000 And you can see it from all the usual pro-Hamas suspects that would include the venerably stupid AOC, a woman with barely one brain cell. 1.00

00:23:53.000 I mean, she does not even have two to rub together. 0.99

00:23:55.000 It's war crimes, according to Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, straight from the bar in Brooklyn.

00:24:01.000 Hamas has absolutely engaged in horrific attacks and every single day there are more details that are released about what occurred on October 7th that shocks the human consciousness and shocks our conscience, our collective conscience.

00:24:19.000 However, we do know as well that war crimes do not constitute and are not an appropriate response for other war crimes.

00:24:31.000 There's the pure moral equivalence.

00:24:32.000 It's a war crime, you see. 0.91

00:24:33.000 Shooting a baby in the head in the backseat of a car is exactly the same thing as you're aiming at a Palestinian rocket that is being fired by Hamas from behind an apartment building and civilians get killed in the process of you destroying that rocket launcher behind an apartment building.

00:24:45.000 Same thing to AOC. 0.99

00:24:47.000 And if we don't encourage those pesky Jews and they're defending themselves, you know, those human rights violators... Here again is CNN guest Rula Jabriel doing the same exact routine. 0.99

00:24:56.000 Israel is trying, she says, to expel Palestinians, which is weird since Israel withdrew... By the way, the only people who have been expelled from the Gaza Strip in the last 20 years are Jews.

00:25:05.000 8,000 of them.

00:25:07.000 Forcibly removed from 21 communities in the Gaza Strip in 2005.

00:25:11.000 Weird how the expulsion of Palestinians since 1948 has changed the Palestinian population in the land of Israel and the West Bank and the Gaza Strip from approximately 1.2 million to almost 7 million people.

00:25:25.000 Worst ethnic cleansing effort of all time. 0.88

00:25:28.000 Here's Rula Jebrael. 1.00

00:25:30.000 I mean, what Israel is suggesting to those countries, but also to the Palestinians, we would basically expel you Millions probably. 1.00

00:25:38.000 And this is a definition of ethnic cleansing. 0.74

00:25:41.000 If you're allowing refugees to exit but never to enter to the land they belong to, you're basically creating a massive refugee crisis.

00:25:48.000 So a country that is already paying the prices of other refugee crises. 0.99

00:25:52.000 So the only alternative that they're trying to ask the administration Pressure Israel to create, basically, a place where, if you really care about human life and the sanctity of human life, and international law as well, Israel is the ultimate power that can determine what to do with, you know, refugees. 0.98

00:26:13.000 Oh, it's Israel that has to do it. 1.00

00:26:14.000 So Hamas, by the way, was in control of this entire area for 20 years, but Ruliech Gabriel had nothing to say about that.

00:26:19.000 Nothing.

00:26:20.000 Zero.

00:26:20.000 Zip.

00:26:21.000 Zilch.

00:26:21.000 Egypt could take control of this entire area and make it into a paradise.

00:26:24.000 Have they done that?

00:26:25.000 No.

00:26:26.000 No.

00:26:27.000 By the way, Israel has 20% of its citizens are Israeli Arab.

00:26:31.000 20% of its citizens.

00:26:33.000 This talk of ethnic... Israel did not want to be in the Gaza Strip. 0.76

00:26:37.000 They don't want to be in the Gaza Strip.

00:26:39.000 The only reason that there is a refugee problem right now is because Hamas uses civilians as not only its human shields, but as its targets for indoctrination.

00:26:49.000 No state, no state on earth would accept a population in its very midst that seeks its open destruction.

00:26:55.000 And if they do, that's a suicidal state.

00:26:58.000 If Israel had its druthers, Israel would have turned the Gaza Strip into Hong Kong. 0.93

00:27:03.000 That was the offer in 2005.

00:27:04.000 And instead, Hamas turned it into what you would imagine, a terrorist state.

00:27:06.000 But again, this is the lie.

00:27:07.000 The lie is that, again, it's always Israel.

00:27:09.000 It's always, go back right to the moral equivalence. 0.99

00:27:12.000 An idiot who resigned from the State Department named Josh Paul, former director of the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, he resigned from the State Department. 0.99

00:27:19.000 Why? 1.00

00:27:20.000 Because he says that the United States needed to force Israel to abide by human rights.

00:27:26.000 He said, on October 7th, when Hamas massacred Israeli civilians, I felt sick to my stomach, both because of the horror being visited upon innocents, and because I knew what would come next.

00:27:34.000 Ah, that's really it.

00:27:35.000 Yes, because he knew what would come next. 1.00

00:27:37.000 Those bad, bad Jews. 1.00

00:27:38.000 Okay, so that's big line number one. 1.00

00:27:40.000 Big line number two.

00:27:41.000 Big line number two is that Israel, effectively, anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

00:27:47.000 And that really, when we're talking about the rise in anti-Semitism, we're seeing all over the globe. 0.94

00:27:51.000 When we see giant crowds in the streets in London chanting, free Palestine, which means murder all the Jews in the area. 0.92

00:27:57.000 Or when we see people in Sydney chanting, gas the Jews, they don't actually mean gas the Jews. 0.98

00:28:01.000 They mean that Israel should be nicer. 0.82

00:28:03.000 That's what they actually mean.

00:28:04.000 It's transmuted.

00:28:06.000 And thus, anti-Semitism, Jew hatred, is not actually like, in any way, wanting the destruction of the state of Israel.

00:28:12.000 See, here's the thing.

00:28:13.000 If you admit that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, the calls for a two-state solution become untenable.

00:28:18.000 The reason they become untenable is because everyone in the Palestinian Authority, in Islamic Jihad hierarchy, everyone, and by the way, large sloths of the Palestinian population, are anti-Zionist.

00:28:28.000 When I say large sloths, I mean nearly everyone is anti-Zionist.

00:28:31.000 So if you admit that anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism, you're admitting that that population is anti-Semitic. 0.52

00:28:36.000 And you can't make a deal with anti-Semites.

00:28:37.000 So instead, there has to be this self-flattering Western bizarre view that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are two separate things.

00:28:44.000 Again, that was completely exploded October 7th, when a group of very left-wing, many of them peace activists, in Israel were slaughtered wholesale.

00:28:54.000 By jihadis.

00:28:56.000 That was destroyed, but they're gonna go right back to status quo ante.

00:28:58.000 So, if anti-Semitism is not anti-Zionism, if these are two separable things, then what is anti-Semitism most like?

00:29:03.000 Ah, well the best way to hide this is to pretend that anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are two aspects of the same thing. 0.97

00:29:08.000 They're just part of a broader rubric of a cycle of violence that when Muslims call for the destruction of, radical Muslims call for the destruction of the state of Israel, when they go into the streets of Sydney and shank ass the Jews, that's just part of a cycle of violence in which Jews are doing the same thing to Muslims. 0.98

00:29:23.000 And it's just a cycle of violence altogether. 0.97

00:29:26.000 And it really has nothing to do with Israel per se.

00:29:28.000 So we can put pressure on Israel, which just got absolutely destroyed in the South. 0.88

00:29:33.000 We can just, so that's the goal here, right?

00:29:36.000 Tie these together.

00:29:37.000 And you're seeing the administration do this like all the time.

00:29:40.000 And Norm MacDonald had a tweet from 2016 that started to go viral again.

00:29:45.000 And it should go viral because it's really funny.

00:29:47.000 In which he said, quote, what terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate 0.93

00:29:51.000 a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. 0.87

00:29:55.000 And that is precisely the line that is now being taken by so many members of the media. 0.99

00:30:01.000 So many members of this administration, so many members of the left.

00:30:04.000 Is that, oh my God, the rise in Islamophobia that's going to be attendant on the murder of 1500 Jews

00:30:08.000 is just kind of, it's going to boggle the mind.

00:30:10.000 The rise in antisemitism, the rise in Islamophobia that's going to be attendant on, you know, seeing hundreds of thousands of people march in solidarity with terrorists, wow, we can't allow that.

00:30:18.000 And antisemitism and Islamophobia, they are both just from the same place.

00:30:21.000 They're the same people.

00:30:23.000 That's what's really happening.

00:30:25.000 Okay, now, it's not.

00:30:26.000 It really, really is not.

00:30:27.000 That doesn't mean there aren't people who aren't racist against Muslims, or who see people with brown skin and don't like them. 0.96

00:30:36.000 That is a very different thing from what we are seeing right now, which is the desire to full-scale exterminate the State of Israel because it's filled with Jews. 0.98

00:30:43.000 If the State of Israel were not filled with Jews, they would not be interested in exterminating it, would they? 1.00

00:30:47.000 In any case, here was Karine Jean-Pierre yesterday.

00:30:50.000 She was asked about the rise in anti-Semitism in the United States, which, yeah, I mean, Jews don't feel comfortable on campus because many of them have been beaten up.

00:30:57.000 Jews in Skokie are being confronted with mass protests in favor of Hamas.

00:31:05.000 Every Jew I know personally, like literally every Jew I know personally, is obtaining a gun. 1.00

00:31:08.000 Everyone.

00:31:09.000 Because of the rise in anti-Semitism.

00:31:11.000 But Karine Jean-Pierre is asked about anti-Semitism and she immediately swivels into Islamophobia land.

00:31:16.000 And so you have to ask, why?

00:31:18.000 You have to ask yourself why?

00:31:19.000 And the answer is, again, it's that desire to separate off anti-Zionism from anti-Semitism by instead lumping together anti-Semitism and Islamophobia under some sort of broad rubric of all discrimination is bad.

00:31:31.000 Here is Corrine Jean-Pierre, incompetent press secretary. 1.00

00:31:44.000 Look, we have not seen any credible threats.

00:31:49.000 I know there's been always questions about credible threats.

00:31:53.000 And so I just want to make sure that that's out there.

00:31:55.000 But look, Muslim and those perceived to be Muslim have endured a disproportionate number of hate-fueled attacks.

00:32:03.000 And certainly President Biden understands that many of our Muslim Arab Americans and Palestinian American loved ones and neighbors are worried about the hate being directed at their communities.

00:32:14.000 And that is something you heard the President speak to in his address just last Thursday.

00:32:21.000 Hmm.

00:32:21.000 Well, I mean, I heard the question being about anti-Semitism, and yet you immediately swiveled into Islamophobia.

00:32:27.000 How weird.

00:32:27.000 How strange.

00:32:28.000 Why?

00:32:29.000 Why?

00:32:30.000 Because if you can swivel into Islamophobia from a question about anti-Semitism, this allows you to avoid the real-time, real-world implications of the fact that anti-Israel is anti-Semitic.

00:32:40.000 That's what that is.

00:32:42.000 Instead, you just misdirect.

00:32:44.000 By the way, Corinne Jean-Pierre, I mean, she pretty much said it openly yesterday in a follow-on, in a follow-on question.

00:32:49.000 She was asked about whether anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism on college campuses.

00:32:52.000 And she's like, I know John Kirby addressed the protests on college campuses, and I appreciate that the president respects First Amendment rights to protest.

00:33:04.000 But does the president view anti-Israel protests and sentiment on college campuses as anti-Semitism?

00:33:11.000 So look, I'm not going to get into what's happening across the country at different universities.

00:33:16.000 Not going to get into specifics.

00:33:17.000 Oh, aren't you?

00:33:17.000 As the Admiral said, the First Amendment, right?

00:33:19.000 Right?

00:33:20.000 That's what something, a peaceful protest, is really part of our democracy. 1.00

00:33:25.000 Being able for folks to... Oh, these people are pathetic. 0.99

00:33:28.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:33:28.000 This is the most pathetic bullshit I've ever heard. 1.00

00:33:30.000 When she says this kind of stuff, just cut her off. 1.00

00:33:32.000 She's a moron. 1.00

00:33:33.000 When she says this sort of stuff, just remember, her president ran And it's going to run again on protesters in Charlottesville shouting about things, right? 1.00

00:33:46.000 Anti-Semitic, racist protesters in Charlottesville.

00:33:49.000 I remember her saying things like, well, you know, that is the First Amendment right. 0.95

00:33:52.000 That is the way that it works.

00:33:53.000 That's not the question.

00:33:54.000 You have literally spent your entire modern political career suggesting That racism has no place.

00:34:01.000 Anti-Islam... These have no place.

00:34:03.000 They have no place.

00:34:04.000 But when you see it manifest every single day on college campuses, where thousands of people are marching in solidarity with a terrorist group, as well, that is free speech.

00:34:12.000 We have nothing to say here.

00:34:13.000 Nothing to say here.

00:34:14.000 Because again, the idea here is that you can be as anti-Israel as you want to be, up to and including the slaughter of Jews.

00:34:20.000 And that's basically just like Islamophobia.

00:34:21.000 By the way, just on the merits, can we point out here that the number of anti-Jewish incidents in 2022 There are 1,590 federally reported incidents related to religion in terms of hate crimes.

00:34:34.000 51.4% were against Jews.

00:34:36.000 A majority were against Jews.

00:34:38.000 How many were quote-unquote anti-Islamic?

00:34:41.000 9.6%.

00:34:42.000 So in other words, five times, five times as many hate crime incidents against Jews as against Muslims.

00:34:48.000 But the administration is focusing in like a laser beam on Islamophobia.

00:34:51.000 Again, the idea of doing that is to lump together all forms of discrimination so you can pretend that anti-Semitism is not a difference in kind from Islamophobia and that all of it springs from just, you know, people who are mean in their hearts as opposed to In actual political position that the state of Israel should be eviscerated and that the Jews ought to go as well.

00:35:08.000 In a second, we will get to big lie number three, which is the one that is the most comforting to people, which is, can't we just do a two-state solution?

00:35:13.000 Can't we just?

00:35:14.000 Can't we just?

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00:38:11.000 Alrighty, and then there is big line number three.

00:38:13.000 So big line number one is that Israel has to be pressured because if they are not pressured to maintain human rights, they're going to violate human rights.

00:38:18.000 And of course, that is all a setup.

00:38:20.000 That's a setup.

00:38:21.000 It's like a setup and a punchline.

00:38:22.000 The setup is Israel has to be pressured not to violate human rights.

00:38:24.000 Then it's a war and something goes wrong.

00:38:26.000 It's, well, we told them, we told them, but those Jews can't be controlled. 0.99

00:38:29.000 So really what happens, this whole thing is just a big cycle of violence, moral equivalence.

00:38:32.000 That's big line number one.

00:38:33.000 It's told by a huge number of people in the media and in government.

00:38:36.000 Big line number two.

00:38:38.000 Is of course that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

00:38:42.000 And that those two are separable.

00:38:43.000 And so you can be just as anti-Israel as you want.

00:38:46.000 You can even kind of be in favor of its extermination.

00:38:48.000 And that's not anti-Semitic.

00:38:49.000 What you really should be focused on is all sorts of discrimination like Islamophobia.

00:38:52.000 That's really what we need to be talking about is Islamophobia. 0.93

00:38:55.000 That's the big problem.

00:38:56.000 Because where anti-Semitism comes from is the same place that anti-Islam activity comes from.

00:39:01.000 They all come from the same place.

00:39:02.000 And that is you being me.

00:39:04.000 Not true.

00:39:05.000 Not true at all.

00:39:07.000 Many things can be bad and also not be alike.

00:39:08.000 Okay, big line number three.

00:39:11.000 The two-state solution is the thing we have to be focused in on right now.

00:39:13.000 That's insane.

00:39:14.000 I'm sorry, that's totally insane.

00:39:15.000 That is like saying, after 9-11, the thing that the United States has to be focused on right now is coming to a deal with the Taliban. 0.60

00:39:20.000 That's crazy.

00:39:21.000 It's nuts.

00:39:22.000 No one would suggest such a thing.

00:39:23.000 If you did suggest such a thing, people would laugh you out of a room, but that is now the adopted mode of literally everyone in Western politics.

00:39:30.000 Well, we can't let this two-state solution die.

00:39:32.000 We can't let it die.

00:39:33.000 With whom do you propose to do this two-state solution?

00:39:36.000 With whom?

00:39:38.000 The biggest advocates of the two-state solution in Israel just got murdered.

00:39:41.000 Their children were just burned to death alive.

00:39:43.000 That's all, again, the communities around the Gaza envelope, those places are, by and large, members of the political left in Israel.

00:39:51.000 It doesn't matter to these folks.

00:39:52.000 It doesn't matter at all.

00:39:54.000 So this is where you get Joe Biden's tweet again.

00:39:56.000 Joe Biden talking about the two-state solution.

00:39:58.000 As hard as it is, we cannot give up on peace.

00:40:00.000 Who is we?

00:40:01.000 Who is we?

00:40:04.000 Of course the United States would love to see peace over there.

00:40:07.000 Duh! 1.00

00:40:08.000 You know who else would like to see peace over there?

00:40:09.000 Israel!

00:40:10.000 You know who doesn't want to see peace?

00:40:11.000 The other side! 0.96

00:40:13.000 Clearly!

00:40:14.000 Again, very simple thought experiment. 0.99

00:40:15.000 Tomorrow, if the IDF disbanded, and no Jew had a gun, every Jew in that region is dead. 0.99

00:40:22.000 Every single one. 1.00

00:40:24.000 If they all gave up their guns tomorrow, they would all be dead.

00:40:26.000 Meanwhile, if Hamas had disarmed, if Hamas were not a terror group, you know what would have happened?

00:40:31.000 Success!

00:40:32.000 You know what would've happened in the Palestinian Authority areas?

00:40:35.000 Were they not siphoning money off to their personal bank accounts?

00:40:38.000 Mahmoud Abbas is worth now tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:40:41.000 You know what would've been happening if they had not been building up terror groups and indoctrinating their kids to hate Jews as a tool against the Jewish state?

00:40:46.000 You know what would've been happening?

00:40:48.000 Prosperity!

00:40:50.000 The math here is very simple.

00:40:52.000 And yet, again, it's this idea that we all want the same thing.

00:40:54.000 We don't.

00:40:55.000 We don't.

00:40:56.000 I'm sorry to break it to you.

00:40:57.000 We don't.

00:40:57.000 Not everyone on the earth wants the same things as you.

00:40:59.000 And it is ethnocentricity of the highest possible level to believe they do.

00:41:03.000 When people tell you what they want and then you ignore them and say, no, what you really want is peace.

00:41:07.000 What you really want is a better economic way of life.

00:41:12.000 You want to talk about paternalism?

00:41:14.000 That's paternalism.

00:41:15.000 When Joe Biden says, we cannot give up on a two-state solution, Israelis and Palestinians equally deserve to live in safety, dignity, and peace.

00:41:21.000 They may equally deserve to live in safety, dignity, and peace, but only one side is seeking to live in safety, dignity, and peace.

00:41:27.000 You think Israelis are fond of having to draft their 18-year-old kids and then put them at checkpoints? 0.88

00:41:31.000 Do you think that's something they love to do?

00:41:33.000 Would you love to do that with your kids?

00:41:34.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:41:36.000 And yet that's what Israel has to do. 0.76

00:41:37.000 Why?

00:41:37.000 Because if they don't, they will be overrun and murdered in their beds, as we saw, But this is the lie, and they're gonna keep pushing this lie.

00:41:48.000 This is also, that lie by the way, this lie that everyone seeks the same thing, is also why you end up with the bizarre spectacle of John Kirby, who's the spokesperson for the National Security Administration, saying that it would be very bad to revoke the visas of Hamas supporters.

00:41:59.000 If somebody is out there supporting Hamas and they're on a visa, they're not even an American citizen.

00:42:03.000 American citizens have free speech rights.

00:42:05.000 But, if you are a visa holder, You do not have the ability to support a terror group.

00:42:09.000 In fact, we won't give you a visa if you support a terror group.

00:42:11.000 And it can be applied retroactively, legally speaking.

00:42:13.000 Now he's just going to lie.

00:42:14.000 And he's going to pretend that if you're a visa holder, let's say that you're a foreign student from Egypt and you're out there in the streets shouting, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

00:42:23.000 And you're holding up a poster of a Hamas terrorist.

00:42:27.000 He's saying, no, no, you have a right to be here.

00:42:28.000 That's just free speech.

00:42:29.000 That is not true.

00:42:30.000 That is not true.

00:42:31.000 But again, it goes back to this baseline There's been an uptick on the right among some Republicans who have called for students or foreign nationals who are demonstrating in some of these pro-Palestine demonstrations or, you know, allegedly pro-Hamas demonstrations to have their student visas pulled or face deportation.

00:43:04.000 What is the administration's response to those kinds of remarks and that kind of rhetoric?

00:43:10.000 I would just tell you that you don't have to agree with every sentiment that is expressed in a free country like this to stand by the First Amendment and the idea of peaceful protest.

00:43:22.000 That does not apply to importing terror supporters into America.

00:43:26.000 It doesn't.

00:43:27.000 It doesn't.

00:43:28.000 But again, the real idea, they're not really terror supporters.

00:43:30.000 They just hate Israel.

00:43:32.000 And they're really, they seek peace.

00:43:34.000 And they've only put more pressure on the two-state solution.

00:43:36.000 Now, in a second, we're going to get to the real, the real issue here.

00:43:40.000 The real issue here is that people, people who are, who despise Israel want to see it destroyed.

00:43:45.000 People who are, who are, participating in these lies.

00:43:49.000 They're doing so either out of moral cowardice or because reality being reality, it turns out that the people Israel is fighting, they don't just hate Israel, they also hate the West.

00:43:57.000 And many of their fellow travelers also hate the West.

00:43:59.000 And what this really is, what we are watching in real time, and that's what's so disturbing, is the Franz Fanon Coalition of the Wretched attempting to destroy Western civilized institutions in the name of the supposedly colonialized.

00:44:12.000 That's what we are actually watching in real time.

00:44:14.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:45:18.000 So, what's the actual story as to what is happening here?

00:45:21.000 Right, the one that is behind all of the lies.

00:45:23.000 So again, those big lies that Israel is a real human rights violator, a war crime maven. 0.87

00:45:29.000 Really bad, just as bad as Hamas. 0.99

00:45:30.000 Two, that anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, basically two birds of the same color.

00:45:35.000 And big lie three, the two-state solution.

00:45:38.000 Israel must be pressured for a two-state solution.

00:45:39.000 This solves the problem.

00:45:40.000 The real answer here is that the people who did what they did on October 7th and their allies and their fellow travelers hate the West.

00:45:47.000 Israel is just a symptom of that. 1.00

00:45:50.000 It's not just me saying this.

00:45:52.000 There's a guy who is a son of a Hamas leader.

00:45:54.000 His name is Mossab Hassan Youssef, the so-called son of Hamas.

00:45:59.000 He ended up converting to Christianity and moving away from radical Islam.

00:46:02.000 And he interviewed with Jake Tapper last night, and he explained what exactly Hamas wants.

00:46:07.000 What did you see an experience that made you turn on Hamas and help Israel? 0.71

00:46:15.000 You know, since I was a child, I always complained to my father

00:46:21.000 about Hamas abuse of power and their brutality.

00:46:27.000 They're very strict and they're religious.

00:46:35.000 They're fanatics.

00:46:38.000 But I did not think at some point, you know, they would cause all this global trouble.

00:46:42.000 You know, we saw their brutality.

00:46:47.000 I witnessed their brutality firsthand when I was in prison, when they tortured so many Palestinian people for suspicion of collaborating with Israel.

00:46:58.000 So, again, he goes on, he suggests that the fight right now is that Israel is actually on the West side, even if the West doesn't want to acknowledge it.

00:47:05.000 Here he is.

00:47:08.000 Were you surprised at the failure of Israeli intelligence on October 7th?

00:47:16.000 Listen, there was a failure, but this is not the time to blame anybody.

00:47:22.000 There is corruption, there is failure, there is lack of leadership, but this is not the time now to blame anybody.

00:47:30.000 This is the time to get unified You know, the United States need to give Israel the necessary cover to uproot Hamas. 0.91

00:47:40.000 Israel is fighting on behalf of America. 0.95

00:47:44.000 Israel is fighting on behalf of the Palestinian people.

00:47:47.000 Israel now is fighting on behalf of the free world.

00:47:50.000 This is not a political propaganda.

00:47:54.000 He is right about that.

00:47:55.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:47:57.000 The Hamas fight against the free world, that is backed by a group of people who abide by a particular philosophy. 0.94

00:48:04.000 That philosophy in the West is the post-colonial philosophy.

00:48:09.000 1,700 sociologists yesterday.

00:48:10.000 So first of all, sociology is a nonsense. 0.94

00:48:13.000 It's a nonsense field of study. 0.66

00:48:15.000 Sociology is a made-up field of study almost entirely. 0.99

00:48:17.000 There are some good sociology books that have been written, but as a field of study, it is a mishmash of absolute garbage, stupidity, and some interesting insights. 0.99

00:48:24.000 That's what sociology is. 0.96

00:48:25.000 But 1,700 sociologists Including signatures from professors at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford, Brown, Berkeley, signed a letter in solidarity with Gaza and the Palestinian people.

00:48:38.000 And here's what they write.

00:48:39.000 And again, this says the whole thing.

00:48:40.000 Quote, sociology as a discipline is rooted in recognition of relationships of power and inequality.

00:48:45.000 As sociologists and human beings, we unreservedly condemn the latest violence against the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank at the hands of the Israeli regime.

00:48:53.000 The entire, by the way, the entire thing does not mention at any point what Hamas did.

00:48:58.000 At any point in the entire letter.

00:48:59.000 It is several paragraphs long.

00:49:01.000 It is two pages long.

00:49:02.000 No mention whatsoever of Hamas initiating this by murdering 1,500 civilians.

00:49:06.000 At all.

00:49:08.000 Instead, what is the justification for their siding with the Palestinians and with Hamas?

00:49:13.000 By the way, for all this talk about how the Palestinian people, they don't support Hamas.

00:49:16.000 The people all over the world, they don't support Hamas.

00:49:18.000 I just have a question.

00:49:19.000 Where are the protests against Hamas?

00:49:22.000 In the Arab world.

00:49:22.000 Where?

00:49:23.000 Have you seen them?

00:49:24.000 Anywhere?

00:49:24.000 At all?

00:49:26.000 Bueller?

00:49:27.000 No?

00:49:27.000 I didn't think so.

00:49:28.000 In any case...

00:49:30.000 Here is what the sociologists say.

00:49:32.000 Quote, we join people around the world who are raising their voices in protest of this assault on human life.

00:49:38.000 As educators, it is our duty to stand by the principles of critical inquiry and learning.

00:49:42.000 To hold the university as a space for conversation that foregrounds historical truths and that contextualizes this past week's violence in the context of 75 years of settler colonial occupation in European empire.

00:49:52.000 Okay, I mean, they're just saying the quiet part out loud right there.

00:49:55.000 75 years, you may notice, does not date you back to 1967.

00:49:57.000 It dates you back to 1948, the establishment of the state of Israel.

00:50:01.000 They are saying Israel must be destroyed. 0.84

00:50:03.000 Israel must be destroyed because it is, in their words, a colonial outpost. 0.99

00:50:07.000 Israel must be destroyed because the West cannot be allowed to exist in any form, even in indigenous form, in the Middle East. 0.99

00:50:14.000 It cannot be allowed, according to these people. 0.98

00:50:15.000 That would be an act of colonialism, of settler colonialism.

00:50:19.000 And that means that any Jew who's living in the region, in the inside of France-France, ought to be victimized by violence.

00:50:25.000 Revolutionary violence is part and parcel of decolonization.

00:50:29.000 These are people who not only live in the West and have benefited from the West, these are people who sit at the highest institutions of learning in the West.

00:50:37.000 They are calling the war that Israel is now waging on Hamas a genocidal war, which is weird because again, generally when you commit genocide, you don't warn the civilians first, you just kill them.

00:50:45.000 You know it's genocidal?

00:50:46.000 Rushing into Kibbutz Berri and murdering everyone. 0.94

00:50:48.000 You know it's not genocidal?

00:50:49.000 Warning people for a week on end to get out of an area because you're attempting to hit a military target.

00:50:54.000 That's not the same thing.

00:50:56.000 They say this stance follows in the tradition of the civil rights movement, anti-war, and anti-apartheid protests of decades past.

00:51:01.000 Aligning ourselves with these freedom struggles, we call on all of our colleagues to stand in solidarity with Palestinians and against settler colonialism, imperialism, and genocide.

00:51:09.000 And this letter is so revealing because this is really what it's all about.

00:51:12.000 The same people who believe that Israel is a colonial settler imposition believe that the West is entirely colonial settler imposition.

00:51:17.000 That the West ought to be dismantled.

00:51:19.000 That the West is an imperialist structure.

00:51:22.000 Because it's supported by things like capitalism and free markets and free movement of labor and free speech.

00:51:27.000 Those things are bad.

00:51:29.000 They are settler colonial movements that must be destroyed from without or from within. 0.85

00:51:34.000 That is what this is all about.

00:51:35.000 Which presumably is why these...

00:51:38.000 Higher educators are, for example, at Oxford now going to debate a motion on Thursday calling for, quote, Intifada until victory.

00:51:45.000 A motion shared with Oxford members of the University and College Union reportedly states that the branch believes that, quote, only a mass uprising on both sides of the Green Line and across the Middle East can free the Palestinian people.

00:51:56.000 Both sides of the Green Line would mean violence inside Israel. 0.83

00:52:00.000 The Green Line, for folks who are not versed in Middle Eastern politics, that would be the territory held by Israel before the 1967 Six-Day War initiated by the Arabs.

00:52:08.000 They're saying that they want violence across the Middle East in order to, quote-unquote, free the Palestinian people, which would amount to what?

00:52:16.000 Destroying Israel, obviously. 0.73

00:52:18.000 This apparently says, quote, that the war is a direct consequence of decades of violent oppression of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state. 0.99

00:52:25.000 Again, it's all the Jews' fault. 1.00

00:52:26.000 And it goes on to say it is the duty of the international movement of workers and youth to support this struggle.

00:52:30.000 And they call for a socialist federation of the Middle East and Intifada until victory. 0.62

00:52:35.000 That's what this whole thing is about.

00:52:37.000 That is what this whole thing... And they're just saying it out loud.

00:52:38.000 So you wonder why queers for Palestine, which makes no sense. 1.00

00:52:42.000 I know there are a lot of people on the right who are puzzled by this.

00:52:44.000 Why are there a bunch of people with trans flags marching alongside people who would behead them at the first available opportunity? 1.00

00:52:48.000 Why?

00:52:49.000 And the answer is because it's not about that.

00:52:51.000 It's about Western civilization is bad and must be torn down.

00:52:53.000 And Israel is just the tip of the spear because it happens to be a Western power that exists in a place that has a very different mindset. 0.60

00:53:03.000 And so it has to be dismantled.

00:53:05.000 That's the thing that matters more than anything else.

00:53:07.000 That's what this is really all about.

00:53:09.000 Okay, meanwhile, in terms of the latest news, two more hostages were released overnight.

00:53:13.000 Hamas set free two really, really elderly hostages, and they testified to the fact that Hamas has hundreds of kilometers of tunnels underground.

00:53:22.000 Right now, what Hamas is attempting to do is separate off certain hostages from other hostages.

00:53:27.000 They've been focusing in on the ones they think will be most sympathetic to the world media.

00:53:31.000 So that means people who have connections to American media or dual citizens. 0.98

00:53:34.000 They are going to hold, presumably, the male hostages that they have taken until they shoot them or kill them. 0.99

00:53:41.000 That is their goal. 0.91

00:53:43.000 And they're going to try to get the West to basically put pressure on Israel for a ceasefire.

00:53:47.000 That Israel will just pretend that the terror attack didn't take place if the hostages come back. 0.78

00:53:51.000 And Joe Biden, unfortunately, because he is no longer with us, he is making sounds like that.

00:53:56.000 So here was Joe Biden being asked about a ceasefire yesterday.

00:53:58.000 And what in the world is he talking about?

00:54:02.000 Is the U.S.

00:54:05.000 supporting the hostages for a ceasefire deal?

00:54:10.000 Why did you?

00:54:11.000 have no trust in the media.

00:54:13.000 And he has no.

00:54:14.000 Like, what is it?

00:54:15.000 What is it?

00:54:16.000 He says, first, he says, sure, we should have a ceasefire.

00:54:20.000 Then he's like, no, we shouldn't have a ceasefire.

00:54:21.000 Then he's like, well, maybe we'll get the hostages home and then we'll talk about a ceasefire.

00:54:24.000 Or maybe a ceasefire would benefit Hamas, which is why they are calling for one in the first place. 0.83

00:54:30.000 Hey, there's one other concern that has now been raised to the fore.

00:54:33.000 This is the concern on the part of some people on the right.

00:54:37.000 And this is the concern.

00:54:38.000 There are some people on the right who I think are being fully disingenuous and who are looking for an excuse to jump right on the same moral equivalency bandwagon as the left.

00:54:45.000 I think there are certainly people like that.

00:54:46.000 We've talked about them on the show before.

00:54:47.000 I'm sure we'll talk about them on the show again.

00:54:49.000 But one of the moves that's being made in order to stifle Israel's response to this is to claim that if Israel does respond, as it has to respond in order to root out Hamas entirely, that this will end in World War III.

00:54:59.000 So yesterday, Tucker had on his program a general named Douglas MacGregor.

00:55:03.000 McGregor has in the past suggested that Jewish money is behind American support for Israel and all the rest, but McGregor has military expertise.

00:55:12.000 And he is essentially now warning that Armageddon is coming.

00:55:16.000 Which, and his proposed solution would be that Israel does nothing.

00:55:20.000 Which, by the way, absolutely promotes the idea of Armageddon.

00:55:23.000 Because if Israel does nothing after 1,500 of its citizens are slaughtered, and Hamas remains in place, the chances of a broad-scale, multi-front attack on Israel that will require American intervention go up radically.

00:55:33.000 But Douglas MacGregor is on with Tucker Carlson.

00:55:35.000 Tucker, of course, has been pushing a pacifist line on this since the beginning.

00:55:39.000 Here was Tucker with MacGregor last night.

00:55:42.000 Do you think that we are moving toward war with Iran?

00:55:46.000 Yes, I do.

00:55:48.000 And it looks like the chosen destination is indeed Armageddon.

00:55:52.000 There doesn't seem to be any real appreciation for the implications for us, and frankly for Europe and the world, as well as the Middle East, of such action.

00:56:03.000 For what's worth, McGregor has also been an advocate of the United States basically leaving Ukraine to fry. 0.68

00:56:07.000 But when McGregor says things like, we are right on the verge of war, the whole point is deterrence.

00:56:13.000 Deterrence is a thing.

00:56:14.000 You know what emboldens Iran? 1.00

00:56:16.000 Weakness.

00:56:16.000 This has been true for literally ever.

00:56:19.000 But there's been this equation that's now happened on the right, where if you stand up to a terror power, the idea is that this somehow puts America in a position that is weaker, which again, is a not right-wing position.

00:56:28.000 That is not a conservative position.

00:56:29.000 It's never been a conservative position so far as I'm aware.

00:56:32.000 Peace through strength has been a conservative position for as long as I've been alive, certainly.

00:56:36.000 This idea that you are heightening the chances of a world war if America actually flexes its muscles sometimes, it's a bizarre one.

00:56:43.000 When what we know is precisely the opposite.

00:56:45.000 The reason this attack was launched on Israel in the first place is because the Biden administration was conciliatory toward Iran.

00:56:49.000 That's one of the reasons.

00:56:50.000 The pullout from Afghanistan is another reason.

00:56:53.000 So McGregor says this thing won't stay contained, which would be mostly true if America weren't there to keep a lid on it.

00:56:59.000 The whole point of America having aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean is to say, keep a lid on it.

00:57:04.000 Don't open up a second front with Hezbollah because that is going to tear the lid off. 1.00

00:57:09.000 There are too many unknowns and uncertainties here.

00:57:12.000 And you know, everyone always assumes at the beginning of such a conflict, well, it'll be contained.

00:57:18.000 We'll only have to fight these people, Hamas, maybe Hezbollah. 0.97

00:57:22.000 It never works out that way.

00:57:23.000 These things always last longer than everyone thinks.

00:57:27.000 The resources required are much more profound than what we anticipated.

00:57:31.000 And remember, we've already used up many of our war stocks in Ukraine.

00:57:35.000 Okay, so when he said, first of all, everyone has an interest in keeping this contained.

00:57:40.000 Everyone.

00:57:42.000 So, but again, there's this ugly thing that's been happening, Tucker does it a lot, in which he suggests that if you disagree with him on the tactic to keep the thing contained, he and I want the same thing.

00:57:52.000 No war with Iran, no American involvement in this region of the world that amounts to American boots on the ground.

00:57:57.000 We all want the same thing here.

00:57:59.000 But the idea is that if you think America should flex its muscles in order to push Hezbollah off the ball, for example, then this means that you actually want the war with Iran, which of course is really Scurrilous. 0.88

00:58:08.000 It is not true.

00:58:10.000 McGregor goes so far as to say we have to save Israel from itself.

00:58:13.000 Israel must be saved.

00:58:14.000 The only way is to cram down on Israel. 0.98

00:58:17.000 What's going to save Israel apparently is some sort of peace deal brokered with Hamas by the Turks who support Hamas.

00:58:24.000 That is McGregor's actual solution here.

00:58:27.000 The support for Israel is going to erode.

00:58:30.000 And at the same time, the anger and hatred inside the region, which already dislikes Israel, is going to be phenomenal.

00:58:39.000 So Israel is doing something that I think no one has ever accomplished, at least not in my lifetime, and that is uniting Sunni and Shia against itself. 0.97

00:58:49.000 That's why I think we have an obligation to save Israel from itself. 0.92

00:58:53.000 But that's not a popular position.

00:58:55.000 Right now, it's bombs away and everyone is cheering.

00:59:00.000 Well, I mean, save Israel from itself how? 0.80

00:59:02.000 You mean they're going to earn the love of the Sunni and Shia world by not taking out Hamas?

00:59:07.000 And allowing its citizens to be slaughtered wholesale and taken hostage?

00:59:10.000 And there's a fundamental misunderstanding of the region?

00:59:13.000 I'll chalk it up to fundamental misunderstanding and not something more nefarious because that's what it seems to be.

00:59:19.000 But again, what is scurrilous is the implication that if you believe that peace through strength is an actual workable strategy in the Middle East, which historically it has been, that if you believe that, that somehow you're in favor of a broader war.

00:59:29.000 And that, of course, is not true in any way, shape, or form.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 24, 2023

The 3 Big Lies About Israel And Hamas

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