The Ben Shapiro Show - The Andrew Tate Reckoning Is Here

00:00:00.000 I'm going to name a bunch of things that used to get you kicked out of polite society. 0.78

00:00:04.000 Being a pornographer. 0.99

00:00:06.000 Hitting a 15 year old girl with a belt on camera in essentially a sexual fetish video. 1.00

00:00:11.000 Bragging about teaching men to pimp hoes. 1.00

00:00:14.000 Suckering women into posing nude on camera for your own financial gain. 0.98

00:00:18.000 Running a grift business where you convince ignorant young men that if they post videos of you shirtless in your Romanian warehouse with fancy cars, smoking cigars with a bunch of clout chasing women in the background, they will get rich. 1.00

00:00:30.000 Teaching those same young men that all women are trash and whores. 1.00

00:00:33.000 You know, people who did such things, things like this, used to be unwelcome. 1.00

00:00:37.000 Unwelcome to dinner.

00:00:38.000 Unwelcome at church.

00:00:40.000 Unwelcome in the halls of power.

00:00:42.000 And unwelcomed by important and influential voices shaping our politics and our culture.

00:00:47.000 No longer.

00:00:48.000 But here is the thing.

00:00:49.000 Sin has consequences.

00:00:51.000 Always and forever.

00:00:52.000 On Saturday morning, Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan were arrested in Miami for extradition to the UK on 38 new criminal charges, bringing the total charges against them to 59.

00:01:02.000 Criminal charges, including child and extreme pornography, rape, and sexual assault.

00:01:07.000 I'll explain all the details why this is happening and what comes next. 0.98

00:01:10.000 But far more importantly, I want to talk about why these two obvious scumbags and grifters were welcomed into polite society, championed as heroes and as truth tellers, because a society that embraces sin destroys itself. 0.98

00:01:23.000 We'll get to all that in a moment and much more. 0.98

00:01:25.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:01:34.000 Sin has consequences.

00:01:35.000 I know it's not cool to point out that sin actually exists and that it actually has real world consequences.

00:01:42.000 So here's the good news.

00:01:43.000 I don't give a damn about being cool.

00:01:45.000 I mean, look at me.

00:01:45.000 I've never been cool and I don't care.

00:01:48.000 I have never cared.

00:01:49.000 I will never care because the truth is still the truth and reality is still reality.

00:01:55.000 And sin always has and always will have consequences.

00:02:00.000 Engaging in sin is like jumping off a 100 story building.

00:02:03.000 The first 99 stories, super fun.

00:02:05.000 And then that last story, Your face meets the concrete. 1.00

00:02:09.000 Well, yesterday, pornographer, grifter, alleged rapist, and admitted pimp, Andrew Tate and his idiot brother Tristan were arrested in Miami for extradition to the UK. 1.00

00:02:17.000 Their faces finally hit the concrete. 1.00

00:02:20.000 So who are the Tates?

00:02:22.000 Well, we've done a few episodes on them.

00:02:23.000 So if you listen to the show regularly, you know some of this.

00:02:26.000 The Tate brothers are two failed kickboxers whose scam originated originally as a webcam operation in Romania, where they essentially dragged more than 75 women into webcam pornography.

00:02:37.000 And they made a lot of money from it.

00:02:39.000 But in 2016, after getting kicked off Big Brother UK, it's a British reality TV show for repeatedly hitting a woman with a belt.

00:02:45.000 Andrew Tate formed ties with the likes of Alex Jones and then glommed onto pro Trump anti woke messaging with a slew of transgressive political talking points.

00:02:53.000 And this is where his big fame and fortune came in.

00:02:56.000 The next part is important because even if you've never heard of the Tates, your kids definitely, definitely have since 2016.

00:03:04.000 TikTok has been the primary drive of Andrew Tate's reach.

00:03:07.000 You know, like communist.

00:03:08.000 Chinese party, TikTok.

00:03:10.000 Videos tagged with Andrew Tate have amassed over 13 billion views.

00:03:15.000 On YouTube, even though the Tates have been banned from the platform officially, clip channels dedicated to reposting the Tates content have accumulated some 230 million views.

00:03:23.000 On X, Tate's account regularly achieved millions of impressions.

00:03:28.000 By 2019, Andrew Tate had expanded his red pill brand and the manosphere became a part of our cultural conversation.

00:03:34.000 The manosphere was a bunch of essentially men explaining that the only way to truly be a man was to treat women like trash, work out a lot, walk around shirtless, and Violate all of society's taboos.

00:03:46.000 Keep in mind, a lot of Tate's reach, not entirely organic.

00:03:49.000 It's a sort of reposting echo chamber.

00:03:50.000 They actually scaled their following, their following with something called Hustlers University, where they charged you 50 bucks a month to learn crypto secrets.

00:03:59.000 Well, then the Tate's would pay you to carpet bomb TikTok with their most repugnant clips.

00:04:04.000 And it worked.

00:04:04.000 Billions of views.

00:04:05.000 He was, Andrew Tate, the most Google person on earth in 2022.

00:04:09.000 Nearly 11 million followers on X, even after YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram all kicked him off their platforms.

00:04:15.000 By 2022, Andrew Tate's banning turned him into a cause celeb for supposed right wing free speech advocates because Tate reframed his deplatforming as the political suppression of traditional masculinity.

00:04:27.000 And the right bit and bit really, really hard on this stuff.

00:04:31.000 As we will get to, a lot of right wing influencers bit onto this grift and decided that actually, yes, Andrew Tate was a victim of the Matrix, as he loves to call anybody who doesn't like him.

00:04:41.000 Well, eventually, Romanian authorities raided the Tate's compound.

00:04:43.000 They'd moved to Romania essentially to try to escape the law.

00:04:47.000 And they'd taken an industrial warehouse and made it over and turned it into sort of their Playboy compound.

00:04:53.000 While that compound was raided, they were arrested and charged in 2023 and 2024 with human trafficking, sexual abuse, money laundering, and forming an organized criminal group.

00:05:03.000 Those charges contained allegations going back to 2017 that Tate subsequently converted to Islam.

00:05:09.000 And again, right wing influencers like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens flew to Romania that same year and interviewed him at length, talking about his various virtues and soft peddling his criminal charges.

00:05:22.000 More charges rained down on the Tates from the UK in 2024 and 2025.

00:05:28.000 So, over the weekend on Saturday, the Tates were arrested in Miami and then they were extradited to the UK.

00:05:35.000 Here's the video of Andrew Tate being arrested, apparently wearing one of Marie Schrader's shirts and maybe her Capri pants from Breaking Bad.

00:05:45.000 And his brother dressed in a suit at least three sizes too small and a Borsellino hat.

00:05:52.000 Not sure what he was going for there.

00:05:54.000 Maybe they committed a crime of fashion.

00:05:56.000 In any case, They were arrested, according to CBS News, by U.S. Marshals in the Southern District of Florida.

00:06:02.000 The DOJ said these arrests were made in accordance with the treaties and law enforcement agreements governing Justice Department extradition.

00:06:09.000 They're being extradited to the UK.

00:06:11.000 The Crown Prosecution Service, an organization that prosecutes criminal cases in England, said four more victims of the brothers had come forward announcing further charges of rape, sex trafficking, assault, and child and extreme pornography.

00:06:22.000 The UK police put out a press release outlining some 59 charges between the two brothers.

00:06:29.000 Those additional charges included seven rape, three sexual trafficking, three assault, and 19 extreme or additional or child pornography charges for Andrew.

00:06:38.000 For Tristan, one sexual assault, two rape, and three sexual trafficking charges.

00:06:41.000 Those offenses were alleged to have taken place between 2010 and 2017.

00:06:46.000 Some irony to this because you'll recall that last year, the Tates showed up in Florida and essentially dared Governor Ron DeSantis to arrest them.

00:06:54.000 Andrew Tate put out a tweet saying, Your wife will never win governor unless you arrest me, Governor DeSantis.

00:06:58.000 You've proven to be a communist to attack American citizens for zero.

00:07:01.000 When Americans who are unfairly imprisoned abroad return home, you betray them. 0.92

00:07:04.000 You better nail me now. 0.83

00:07:05.000 Let's go. 0.98

00:07:06.000 Arrest me.

00:07:07.000 Well, he wasn't actually arrested by the state authorities, but he was arrested by the federal authorities.

00:07:13.000 Naturally, the Tate brothers lawyer, a person named Joseph McBride, put out a statement that was not legal, in essence.

00:07:19.000 It was mainly a political rip on the UK.

00:07:21.000 Quote, the world knows Andrew and Tristan Tate are innocent.

00:07:25.000 Does the world know that?

00:07:26.000 The enemies know it best of all.

00:07:26.000 I don't know.

00:07:28.000 Hmm.

00:07:28.000 The enemies.

00:07:29.000 That is exactly why they've been attacked.

00:07:31.000 The Matrix.

00:07:32.000 Last night, the UK, a corrupt and fallen nation that jails its own citizens for tweets while ignoring rape gangs it found too inconvenient to prosecute, conjured up a wave of charges against the Tate brothers.

00:07:41.000 This is not law enforcement.

00:07:42.000 This is a political hit ordered by a dying empire that fears two free men with a microphone more than it fears actual criminals walking its streets.

00:07:49.000 We are confident that once a competent judge sees the fact and once the DOJ confronts this egregious abuse of its own authority, Andrew and Tristan Tate will walk free.

00:07:56.000 America does not do Britain's political dirty work, not here.

00:07:59.000 Never.

00:08:00.000 America is watching.

00:08:01.000 The world is watching.

00:08:02.000 And we will win.

00:08:04.000 Okay.

00:08:04.000 Well, I have a basic rule.

00:08:06.000 I don't like when men rape women. 0.98

00:08:09.000 I know these are very, very difficult things. 0.99

00:08:10.000 I also don't like when men engage in pornography. 0.99

00:08:13.000 I don't like it when men run alleged sex trafficking rings or grifts that target vulnerable young men and treat them as morons to be milked for cash and preying on their vulnerability to teach them that the best way to get ahead in the world is to treat women like garbage and simultaneously spread and or take lips. 0.99

00:08:30.000 I think all that stuff is bad. 1.00

00:08:32.000 I also think that if you are very concerned, as I am about Muslim men raping white women in Britain, which is a very, very big thing. 0.98

00:08:40.000 It happened in Rotherham for years. 0.97

00:08:41.000 We've covered it extensively on the show. 0.98

00:08:43.000 You should probably also be against allegations of Muslim men raping white women in Britain, even if they're called the Tates. 0.94

00:08:52.000 So, pretty much all of these sorts of activities were known for years in advance. 0.56

00:09:00.000 About a month and a half ago, we did a show where we went through in some detail a piece by Heidi Blake, which is a truly incredible piece of reporting by Heidi Blake over.

00:09:11.000 At the New Yorker magazine called Andrew Tate's Empire of Abuse.

00:09:16.000 And as she documents in that extraordinarily lengthy piece, the Tates moved to Romania from the UK in 2015 after three British women accused Tate of rape and strangulation.

00:09:25.000 And according to the piece, court records show the local police sat on at least two reports indicating that the Tates were coercing Romanian women into sex work.

00:09:33.000 Andrew openly discussed bribing law enforcement officials in war room chats and bragged on social media about his connections.

00:09:39.000 Everyone wants to be friends with the pimp, he wrote in a since deleted tweet.

00:09:43.000 Tate's representatives claimed, of course, that he was acting.

00:09:45.000 This is the last repository. of all scumbags. 1.00

00:09:48.000 Oh, I was just joking. 1.00

00:09:49.000 I was just joking. 1.00

00:09:51.000 Tate would have sex with women on webcam for a price. 0.97

00:09:54.000 One of those webcam girls alleged that Tate raped her multiple times and strangled her and another woman multiple times as well. 0.64

00:10:02.000 Another woman who the article calls Hannah Price showed UK police a series of messages from Tate discussing the alleged assaults. 0.99

00:10:08.000 I love raping you. 0.96

00:10:09.000 He had written to her. 1.00

00:10:09.000 Monsters are monsters. 1.00

00:10:12.000 There is tape of Tate holding a belt and whipping a woman who he treated as his girlfriend and also his procurer for years. 0.66

00:10:19.000 As she lay in the fetal position sobbing. 1.00

00:10:21.000 And he said, Bitch, look at the camera. 0.99

00:10:23.000 And he yanked her head back by the hair. 1.00

00:10:24.000 This is what happens when you don't effing listen.

00:10:26.000 Tate said that that belt video was made in 2012 at the start of his relationship with her.

00:10:31.000 That was the year that she turned 15.

00:10:33.000 So I assume that when we're talking about child and extreme pornography, some of it has to do with that video. 1.00

00:10:39.000 Now, in his personal life, and beyond obviously exploitation of women, it turns out that Tate is a tremendous scumbag. 0.99

00:10:44.000 Apparently, according to the article, Andrew has said that both he and Tristan have double digit children. 0.99

00:10:49.000 He says, I'm the big gorilla.

00:10:50.000 I take the fertile females and I impregnate them. 1.00

00:10:54.000 Mothers were moved to their own apartments where they kept working on camera because that is what a protective and good father would do he would use the mother of his children to pose naked for other men so he can make money off of them. 0.93

00:11:06.000 The brothers sometimes visited.

00:11:07.000 Andrew has described meeting out harsh discipline.

00:11:09.000 Quote, My kids obey me like effing soldiers.

00:11:12.000 On his orders, his five year old son would sit for hours in silence, doesn't effing move, doesn't say an effing word because he's scared for his effing life.

00:11:19.000 He also ran a scam called Hustlers University.

00:11:24.000 He originally ran an online network that was called The War Room, in which for a fee of about 8,000 bucks a year, 8,000 bucks a year, he promised to free the modern man from socially induced incarceration.

00:11:35.000 It's called.

00:11:36.000 Members learned how to recruit women into sexual slavery in a series of tutorials.

00:11:40.000 Tate called his PhD, Pimping Ho's Degree.

00:11:44.000 He used one woman as a teaching case, reporting on her subjugation over the secure messaging app Telegram.

00:11:49.000 He said, I've done this with over 100 girls.

00:11:51.000 I almost sound evil, but I'm not.

00:11:53.000 I'm a shepherd leading the sheep.

00:11:55.000 Apparently, each brother had a personal harem.

00:11:56.000 Take called the women his wives and order them to address him as king.

00:12:01.000 He also launched something called Hustlers University, which is this affiliate marketing program that essentially was a giant clip factory for him.

00:12:08.000 More than 160,000 students enrolled to pay him $49.99 a month to teach them how to get rich.

00:12:14.000 And by get rich, he means post a variety of clips for him. 0.97

00:12:19.000 As far as that webcam business, he essentially would have sex with women and then convince them. 0.97

00:12:28.000 That the best way to demonstrate that they loved him was to go on camera nude. 0.96

00:12:35.000 He says that he was making millions of dollars from these women.

00:12:39.000 They bought fancy cars.

00:12:41.000 At the peak of the webcam business, the brothers reported they had 75 women working for them.

00:12:45.000 Andrew said more than 30 women had his name tattooed on their skin.

00:12:49.000 And he bragged about the fact that when he moved to Romania, part of the goal was to avoid the law.

00:12:54.000 So here's the big question in all of this why did they get away with all of this for so long?

00:13:01.000 Why were so many people into this sort of stuff?

00:13:03.000 And the answer is really quite obvious, but it's something we seem to have forgotten. 1.00

00:13:08.000 The Tates are sinful people, and sin is fun. 1.00

00:13:12.000 I know this is somehow taboo to say this. 1.00

00:13:12.000 Sin is fun. 1.00

00:13:15.000 Sin has always been fun.

00:13:17.000 That is the draw of sin.

00:13:20.000 And this is true in every biblical text.

00:13:23.000 If it weren't fun, people wouldn't do it.

00:13:26.000 If it weren't transgressive, people would not do it.

00:13:29.000 The sin of eating the apple was the transgressiveness.

00:13:32.000 Sin is fun.

00:13:35.000 This is why it's very funny in politics.

00:13:37.000 Sometimes people say, oh, this person is succeeding in spite of their sin.

00:13:40.000 Maybe they're succeeding because of their sin, because people are drawn to sin.

00:13:44.000 People, in fact, are both good and bad.

00:13:48.000 And the draw towards sin is an incredibly strong draw.

00:13:52.000 And we have to acknowledge the reality about male nature.

00:13:56.000 Andrew Tate is, for an enormous number of men, an embodiment of what the worst part of men wish that they could get away with.

00:14:04.000 Consequence-free sexual promiscuity, selfish consumerism, abandoning the kids, shacking up with all the cloud-chasing models next door.

00:14:12.000 Zero job, zero work, zero consequences, all fun, all the time, all sin, all the time.

00:14:18.000 Now listen, Everyone knows what Tate is doing is bad.

00:14:22.000 But for some, the badness is actually the point because the badness demonstrates that we are free.

00:14:26.000 Now, here's the thing being free from the consequences of sin, that used to be sort of a left wing thing.

00:14:31.000 That was the draw of the Marxists in the 20s.

00:14:33.000 That was the draw of the left in the 1960s.

00:14:35.000 Free love and copious drugs and zero consequences.

00:14:39.000 Well, increasingly, freedom of sin has become a right wing thing as well.

00:14:44.000 So, one thing that we should ask is how sin became so popular on the right.

00:14:48.000 Again, the right, we're supposed to be the fuddy duddies, right?

00:14:50.000 We're the people. who have systemic immunity to this stuff, right?

00:14:53.000 We would go to church and we demand standards and personal behavior and we want the 10 commandments up on classroom walls and all the rest, right?

00:14:59.000 I thought that that was a conservative thing.

00:15:02.000 And by the way, for saying this sort of stuff, my entire, literally my entire career, the entirety of my career, okay?

00:15:06.000 I'm 42 years old.

00:15:07.000 I started doing this when I was 17.

00:15:08.000 I have been promoting traditional virtue since literally the day I started when I was 17 years old.

00:15:14.000 Very early on in my career, I was mocked incessantly for the fact that I openly said that I was a virgin until marriage, which is a thing that I did and my wife did also.

00:15:24.000 And now we are married for 18 years with five beautiful children because virtue is good and sin is bad.

00:15:30.000 But people mock that sort of stuff.

00:15:32.000 You're a fuddy duddy.

00:15:32.000 They mock it.

00:15:33.000 You're a stick in the mud. 0.96

00:15:34.000 You're uptight. 0.96

00:15:35.000 Why can't you just be a little cooler?

00:15:37.000 Again, I don't care about cool, I care about true. 0.98

00:15:41.000 Reactionary politics is sinful because it tends to legitimize sin. 0.99

00:15:46.000 Traditionally, societies construct a series of sea walls against sin.

00:15:50.000 If you have a sea of sin, an ocean of sin, and it's threatening a tsunami, you have to have some sea walls.

00:15:54.000 So the first sea wall was societal shame.

00:15:57.000 If you're a pornographer, for example, you were not welcome in polite society.

00:16:01.000 You weren't welcome at church.

00:16:03.000 You weren't welcome at family dinners.

00:16:04.000 You didn't get to go to the Lions Club.

00:16:05.000 Nothing.

00:16:06.000 Get out.

00:16:06.000 We don't want you here.

00:16:07.000 You're gross. 1.00

00:16:08.000 Stay away from me. 1.00

00:16:09.000 Stay away from my community.

00:16:09.000 Stay away from my kids.

00:16:12.000 The social left decided that all this was far too judgmental.

00:16:15.000 It was far too hemming in.

00:16:18.000 So the left in the West constructed systems designed to minimize the consequences of sin and to obliterate social standards.

00:16:25.000 Hell, we created entire welfare states, not to just alleviate poverty, but to sever the consequences of sin.

00:16:32.000 We actually incentivized things like sexual promiscuity and drug use, sometimes by accident, sometimes even on purpose, by treating these not as moral problems, but as social diseases that could be alleviated with simple cash outlays.

00:16:44.000 The idea was that poverty created sin, alleviate poverty, alleviate sin, rather than the reality, which is very often in a free system, sin creates poverty because there are consequences to making bad decisions.

00:16:56.000 But we decided that societal consequences were bad.

00:16:58.000 So social consequences were destroyed.

00:17:00.000 That wasn't enough for the left, by the way.

00:17:01.000 To alleviate the consequences of sin materially, While allowing people to still sit in judgment would be to be mean and judgmental.

00:17:08.000 We wouldn't want that.

00:17:09.000 We have to be nice.

00:17:10.000 We can't be mean.

00:17:11.000 We can't have standards.

00:17:11.000 We can't be judgmental.

00:17:13.000 So, we as a society decided that it was really important to stigmatize people with social standards. 0.84

00:17:18.000 These people were prudes. 0.98

00:17:20.000 They were cruel. 1.00

00:17:21.000 They were fuddy duddy sticks in the. 0.82

00:17:22.000 They hated love. 0.70

00:17:23.000 They hated joy.

00:17:25.000 They were probably even suppressing their own perversities.

00:17:29.000 The true shame had to be cast at the people who actually wanted virtue.

00:17:33.000 If you stood for virtue, actually, the truth was probably you were hiding some shame of your own.

00:17:39.000 Or you should be made to feel ashamed because you are being the worst thing of all judgmental.

00:17:44.000 Now, the right didn't sit still for this, but the blowback when it came didn't come in the form of a restoration of standards.

00:17:51.000 Instead, politics being incredibly reactionary.

00:17:54.000 Politics is basically a pendulum that swings from side to side.

00:17:56.000 The further left left moved, the further the reaction moved.

00:18:00.000 And so the right didn't react by saying, no, no, no, standards, virtue, decency.

00:18:05.000 The right reacted by embracing anybody who would tear down the left.

00:18:10.000 No matter what it took, the reactionary right decided. that it actually needed transgressive figures, people who were sinful, who wouldn't play by the old rules.

00:18:20.000 The sin was now the point. 0.58

00:18:22.000 After all, you could only defeat the shame using left because they created their own systems of shame, ranging from overwrought me to allegations to political correctness.

00:18:31.000 You could only defeat that stuff, not by course correcting and saying, no, no, here's what virtue looks like.

00:18:36.000 You could only course correct by being totally shameless, by being totally transgressive.

00:18:41.000 And guess what?

00:18:42.000 That was fun because sin is fun because being transgressive of values is fun.

00:18:47.000 And it's particularly fun when you can justify it to yourself.

00:18:50.000 Hell, it's what we all want to do.

00:18:52.000 No one wants to respond to transgressive evil by standing with good.

00:18:55.000 Good is boring. 0.58

00:18:57.000 Good is demanding.

00:18:58.000 Good is dutiful.

00:19:00.000 We want to engage in evil because evil is fun.

00:19:03.000 Sin is fun and addictive.

00:19:05.000 And once we have the excuse, it's much more fun to go all the way.

00:19:09.000 This, by the way, explains that strange constellation of figures who have spent years defending and celebrating The Tate's.

00:19:15.000 Alrighty, folks, in a second, we're going to get to Andrew Tate's friends on the right.

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00:20:37.000 You'll remember Tucker Carlson, a captain, faux religiosity himself, a man who first completed his read of the Bible a couple of years ago and is now a massive biblical expert, a person who Supposedly despises sex trafficking, literally traveling to Romania to interview the Tates and giggling along with them as they lie their way through allegations about sex trafficking. 0.58

00:21:00.000 Tucker, a pleasure.

00:21:01.000 It's so nice to meet you.

00:21:01.000 Tristan Tate.

00:21:03.000 What a trip this has been.

00:21:03.000 Great to meet you today.

00:21:04.000 I'm a huge admirer.

00:21:07.000 You're the famous one, bro.

00:21:09.000 You're the famous one.

00:21:10.000 You're the famous one.

00:21:12.000 I've never been starstruck in my life.

00:21:15.000 Hey, Tucker Carlson.

00:21:15.000 Here I am.

00:21:17.000 Nice to meet you.

00:21:18.000 Are you American?

00:21:19.000 What are you doing here?

00:21:19.000 Yes, very.

00:21:20.000 I got a couple friends.

00:21:22.000 One flew across the world to go to jail.

00:21:28.000 So much buddiness, so much love, so much happiness.

00:21:30.000 Again, they're all fighting the system together.

00:21:34.000 And then, of course, Tucker interviewed Tate, and they talked about so many true things.

00:21:37.000 Tate was such a wise man.

00:21:38.000 I mean, such a wise alleged sex trafficking man.

00:21:42.000 Pornographer, such a wise man, Tucker Carlson suggested.

00:21:47.000 You are naive enough to believe that there are good guys and bad guys in wars, and it's as simple as good and bad, and that the bad guys are crazy and the good guys want freedom, then you need to do a little bit more investigation into what's really happening.

00:22:03.000 And when you look at the vested interest of any country or any person.

00:22:08.000 Can I just ask you to pause and just comment?

00:22:10.000 That's the truest thing, what you just said.

00:22:11.000 That is that, and anyone who doesn't understand that should shut the up.

00:22:16.000 And I mean it.

00:22:18.000 And given the rapport between the two, clearly Andrew Tate should have asked Tucker to join his webcam business. 0.62

00:22:23.000 In any case, Candace Owens decided also to travel over to Romania to sit with Andrew Tate and give a fawning interview in which they sympathized over the evils of the Matrix.

00:22:35.000 What you describe it as the Matrix, I think that actually is the right term, is that the Matrix works overtime to make it seem as though the people who recognize the insanity, recognize the homosexuality, recognize the pedophilia, are in fact the people that are crazy.

00:22:51.000 Like, it's a complete inversion of what's actually happening.

00:22:53.000 And the saddest thing is that it works. 0.99

00:22:57.000 I mean, she's literally sitting there with a man talking about how pedophilia is terrible and homosexuality is terrible. 0.99

00:23:03.000 He would hire women to have sex with one another on camera for money and is now being alleged to have engaged in child exploitation and child pornography. 0.99

00:23:12.000 So there's that as well. 0.71

00:23:14.000 Of course, Andrew Tate also made himself part of this, he was sort of the founder of this so called manosphere.

00:23:21.000 Tiny Nick Fuentes to Justin Waller and Clavicular, just a who's who, Myron Gaines and Sneeko, a who's who of low IQ, terrible people, all together, wonderful, terrible people.

00:23:33.000 And of course, Tate with Carlson and Tate with Candace.

00:23:36.000 This is the group.

00:23:37.000 This is the club.

00:23:38.000 Look at that.

00:23:38.000 Oh, look at the love.

00:23:40.000 Isn't that nice?

00:23:40.000 Look at that.

00:23:42.000 It's not a coincidence.

00:23:43.000 None of this is a coincidence.

00:23:45.000 It is simply not.

00:23:48.000 Now, unfortunately, this bled up to certain levels of the Trump administration.

00:23:53.000 According to that New Yorker article, President Trump's special presidential envoy, Rick Grinnell, accused Romania of joining a global conspiracy to silence people and politicians who weren't woke.

00:24:03.000 Soon after a canceled election in Romania, Grinnell met at Mar-a-Lago with a Romanian politician named Victor Ponta, who later told The Times they discussed the Tate's case.

00:24:11.000 Ponta said he no longer remembered this and had no involvement with the Tate's.

00:24:14.000 Grinnell denied aiding the Tate's or speaking about their case, but he has publicly affirmed, I support the Tate brothers.

00:24:19.000 They're serious allegations that the Trump administration intervened with the Romanian government to allow the Tate's to travel to the United States last year.

00:24:27.000 Tucker, as I've mentioned, devoted hours of airtime proclaiming Tate's innocence.

00:24:33.000 So did Candace.

00:24:36.000 The vice president followed the Tate brothers on X. Paul Ingracia, who was one of their lawyers, is now serving as a White House liaison.

00:24:47.000 He had previously tweeted that Tate was, quote, the embodiment of the ancient ideal of excellence.

00:24:51.000 That was why he had been targeted by, quote, the satanic elite that attempts to systematically program and oppress all men.

00:24:58.000 You'll remember that the president's lawyer, Alina Haba, appeared on a podcast with Tate and said she was a big fan and then she had his back.

00:25:04.000 She then ended up walking that back.

00:25:06.000 Now, is this a coincidence?

00:25:09.000 It's all the same people.

00:25:10.000 It's all the same people.

00:25:12.000 These are the conspiracy theorists.

00:25:16.000 These are the reactionary right, horseshoe theory people.

00:25:19.000 These are the Jews did the pornography and did the Holocaust really happen? 1.00

00:25:24.000 Simultaneously hugging Muslim pornographers who allegedly raped white women. 0.99

00:25:29.000 It's not that they are alienated, but they're not loving on the Tate in spite of the sin. 0.99

00:25:34.000 They are doing it because of the sin.

00:25:37.000 The sin is attractive.

00:25:38.000 These people love the transgressiveness.

00:25:40.000 It's catnip.

00:25:41.000 It's traffic.

00:25:42.000 It's fun, you see, because they're transgressing.

00:25:45.000 They're saying all the things you can't say.

00:25:47.000 And in that box of things you can't say are things like, did the Holocaust even happen?

00:25:51.000 Or was World War II wrongly decided?

00:25:54.000 Or was Charlie Kirk shot by Mossad?

00:25:57.000 And also, aren't the Tates victims of the Matrix?

00:26:01.000 Now again, the Tates have spent several years at this point being defended by a variety of woke right influencers and Republican figures.

00:26:07.000 They've been championed as important, necessary voices.

00:26:10.000 They've been bro hugged by half the people in influential positions.

00:26:14.000 And now I want you to take a moment to remember who defended them.

00:26:19.000 It's important.

00:26:20.000 And who continues to defend them?

00:26:22.000 Because those people are a threat, not just to conservatism, but to virtue and decency.

00:26:27.000 And ultimately to a civilization built on a notion of biblical morality.

00:26:32.000 It is zero coincidence that the same people who defended the Tates also speculate about Epstein conspiracy theories.

00:26:39.000 Because here's the thing.

00:26:40.000 They are not opposed to sex trafficking.

00:26:42.000 They're opposed to the systems.

00:26:44.000 They're opposed to institutions.

00:26:46.000 They defend the Tates to attack the Matrix.

00:26:48.000 And they pretend there's some vast conspiracy involving foreign intelligence operations with Jeffrey Epstein in order to attack the corrupt system.

00:26:55.000 They don't give any craps at all about the victims.

00:26:57.000 That's pretense. 0.54

00:26:58.000 It's nonsense and it's cover.

00:27:00.000 For the same exact reason, these people engage in conspiracism over Charlie Kirk's assassination. 0.60

00:27:04.000 They all, the same exact people are hugging Hamas. 0.68

00:27:07.000 It's all about attacking the system. 0.86

00:27:09.000 A West they believe is so thoroughly over that they can trample on it and destroy it with gusto.

00:27:14.000 Okay, now, we talked about the societal seawall, right?

00:27:18.000 Social pressure to not engage in sin.

00:27:21.000 And that's gone.

00:27:22.000 So, that means the only way this stuff actually gets stopped ever now is in a court of law.

00:27:27.000 And that's what's happening with the Tates. 0.98

00:27:29.000 It's also what happened to the ridiculous and unintelligent grifter, Candace Owens, a couple of weeks ago when all of her stupid theories about Charlie Kirk were destroyed in a court of law with evidence. 0.99

00:27:38.000 But here's the thing we cannot count on the courts or the laws to stop this cancer. 0.99

00:27:42.000 We have to rebuild societal intolerance of this sort of stuff.

00:27:45.000 Because the cancer is spreading.

00:27:45.000 Why?

00:27:47.000 We'll get to why all of this is a problem in a moment.

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00:28:58.000 You know, over the past several years, I've gotten a rather large amount of crap for covering the evils of the Tates. 0.88

00:29:05.000 The usual charges. 1.00

00:29:06.000 You're a prude.

00:29:08.000 Or they have so many clicks. 1.00

00:29:10.000 Or most commonly online, shut up, Jew, right? 1.00

00:29:12.000 Because that's the big one online. 1.00

00:29:14.000 Because again, that's a form of transgressiveness.

00:29:16.000 That's a form of we can say anything because we're violating the matrix's rules.

00:29:20.000 Let's be real.

00:29:21.000 The reason all of this is a problem is because if your own protection against civilizational destruction is only the law and the courts, your civilization is on its way out.

00:29:32.000 Because if you think that the people who have torn away social sanction of sin and evil are going to stop when it comes to the courts, Wrong you are.

00:29:40.000 I bring you as a case in point, Nick Fuentes.

00:29:42.000 So, Nick Fuentes immediately tweeted out free Andrew and Tristan Tate immediately.

00:29:48.000 1.8 million views on X, a repository of trash.

00:29:52.000 Well, Nick Fuentes put out another tweet in which, again, he said, It would be a national humiliation for the United States to allow the UK to extradite Andrew and Tristan Tate, two American citizens, over trumped up Me Too charges.

00:30:05.000 He's very defensive of these particular American citizens who currently have passports in the UK and Romania, by the way. 0.97

00:30:10.000 The same country that persecutes white people for speech while importing rapist migrants. 0.95

00:30:15.000 Now, why don't you notice the actual thing happening here? 0.99

00:30:18.000 Nick Fuentes is constantly claiming to hate pornography.

00:30:22.000 I mean, that's when he's not, you know, having a window open with trans pornography on it. 0.94

00:30:25.000 He claims to despise the Jews for supposedly having spread a pornographic culture despite the fact that Judaism opposes pornography and finds it a sin. 0.87

00:30:35.000 But he is defending actual honest to God pornographers.

00:30:38.000 So, again, Nick Fuentes in no way is in favor of societal consequences for sin.

00:30:43.000 His entire schtick is being transgressive.

00:30:46.000 And then he hides behind, oh, I'm just joking.

00:30:47.000 It's a joke.

00:30:48.000 It's a joke.

00:30:49.000 And people like it because it's fun.

00:30:50.000 It is.

00:30:51.000 It is.

00:30:52.000 Being transgressive is fun.

00:30:54.000 Saying transgressive and taboo things is fun.

00:30:57.000 The laughter mechanism in the human brain is driven by shock, by surprise.

00:31:01.000 When people are transgressive, it makes you laugh. 0.62

00:31:03.000 That's just how the brain works.

00:31:04.000 And that's what he's doing.

00:31:06.000 But of course, here he's moving on to a deeper level.

00:31:09.000 He's attacking the system, right?

00:31:10.000 He's attacking the courts.

00:31:12.000 Notice something.

00:31:13.000 He's not saying, man, the UK, they absolutely should prosecute. 0.99

00:31:17.000 These Muslim men for allegedly raping white women, and they should also prosecute all of the other Muslim men who have allegedly raped white women in Britain. 0.99

00:31:27.000 Right? 1.00

00:31:27.000 That's what you would normally do. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Like, if you're critical of the UK for not prosecuting properly Muslim grooming gangs the way I have been for literally years, then what you would like is for all the rapists to go to all the prisons.

00:31:41.000 Right? 0.68

00:31:41.000 You can be perfectly all rapists should go to prison. 0.68

00:31:45.000 Not that difficult, but that's not what Fuentes is doing.

00:31:48.000 The idea is that Andrew and Tristan Tate are victims.

00:31:51.000 And should go free because the courts and the system are corrupt in the same way that he says the churches are corrupt and the constitution is corrupt and the free markets are corrupt and everything is corrupt.

00:32:02.000 Because here's the thing, folks.

00:32:03.000 Once you destroy the social stigmas, once you destroy social virtue, and once you start attacking the law, and once the law is destroyed, the only thing left is civilizational chaos, which is what Fuentes and others want.

00:32:16.000 This is what the reactionaries want.

00:32:17.000 They don't want the constitution upheld.

00:32:19.000 They don't want virtue upheld.

00:32:20.000 They don't want church upheld.

00:32:21.000 They don't want any of those things.

00:32:22.000 They want to tear all these things down.

00:32:24.000 If that means allying with China or Russia or Iran or the Tate or every conspiracy theory or every sinner, then they will do it. 0.73

00:32:33.000 That's part of the game. 0.82

00:32:35.000 So, what's the answer to all this sort of stuff?

00:32:38.000 The answer is unsexy.

00:32:41.000 The answer is difficult and annoying.

00:32:44.000 We have to actually go back to social virtue.

00:32:47.000 I know these are, it's boring, right?

00:32:49.000 It's boring.

00:32:51.000 But boring is the way.

00:32:53.000 Okay.

00:32:53.000 We have the opportunity.

00:32:55.000 When a moment of clarity arrives to go back to normal social standards of virtue.

00:33:00.000 Conservatism used to be about that standard.

00:33:02.000 You know, the little voice in the back of your head that we called your conscience that told you that something was a bad or an evil idea and you ought to oppose it.

00:33:10.000 Conservatives, we were the people who used to remind you that one of the reasons government must be limited is because no gigantic amount of power can be trusted in the hands of people who are frailed and flawed and sinful.

00:33:23.000 That was us.

00:33:24.000 We were the human nature people.

00:33:25.000 We were the people who reminded you that people are sinful and therefore we have to have checks and balances.

00:33:30.000 Therefore we have to have restrictions on government.

00:33:33.000 And also, this is why we have to have strong social institutions.

00:33:36.000 This is why it was important for conservatives to be the people who said no to things.

00:33:41.000 Now, conservatives were mocked for being the fuddy duddy finger waggers, like John Lithgow and Footloose.

00:33:47.000 But the truth is, conservatives were the only ones upholding the institutions and social mechanisms that made our civilization great.

00:33:54.000 So, here's the solution for conservatives.

00:33:57.000 I've been giving the solution for decades.

00:33:59.000 I've been saying it very loudly for months at this point. 1.00

00:34:02.000 Draw some damned borders. 0.99

00:34:04.000 I'm gonna say it again. 1.00

00:34:05.000 Draw some damned borders because if you do not police your gates, the barbarians will enter those gates. 0.99

00:34:12.000 In fact, they're already inside. 0.99

00:34:14.000 It takes generations, full on generations to build up social systems that cherish virtue and that uphold virtue and that teach virtue.

00:34:21.000 It takes actual commitment.

00:34:22.000 When you have kids, you have to pass that virtue on to your kids.

00:34:25.000 I have a brand new baby.

00:34:26.000 It is my job to bring that child into a covenant of virtue immediately.

00:34:31.000 That kid is not born in a vacuum and that kid is not meant to be some sort of free floating atomistic being.

00:34:37.000 Wilding it in the universe.

00:34:38.000 That's not the way that it works.

00:34:40.000 You must inculcate virtue.

00:34:42.000 But systems that inculcate virtue and cherish virtue and protect virtue, it takes generations for those to be built up.

00:34:47.000 Hundreds of years.

00:34:49.000 But it takes only seconds for sin to tear those systems down.

00:34:52.000 So if we don't protect those systems, they just disappear.

00:34:55.000 And the next thing that happens is that the civilization goes.

00:34:58.000 So what does that mean?

00:34:59.000 It means conservatives need to stop allowing the grifters in the tent. 0.98

00:35:03.000 Conservatives need to look at some of the people who they've allowed to become spokespeople for their movement. 0.97

00:35:10.000 And ask whether, indeed, people who uphold conspiratorial pornographic trash ought to be the leaders. 0.93

00:35:18.000 You can listen, again, it's a free country. 0.98

00:35:20.000 You can listen to whatever.

00:35:21.000 It's the obligatory thing.

00:35:22.000 It's a free country.

00:35:23.000 You can listen to whatever you want.

00:35:25.000 You can listen to whomever you want.

00:35:27.000 I'm not calling for any of those people to be legally silenced.

00:35:29.000 I am saying use your brain and use the virtuous part of your brain that your parents taught you about or that you as a parent are trying to teach your kids.

00:35:37.000 Because it turns out that, yeah, it's fun.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, it's fun to engage in sin.

00:35:41.000 It always was and it always will be.

00:35:43.000 That's why Satan has a bit of an advantage.

00:35:46.000 But you don't have to do it.

00:35:49.000 Sin crouches at all of our doors, but we can overcome it.

00:35:52.000 But it requires an effort.

00:35:54.000 And part of that effort is recognizing that in the long run, the momentary fun that you have being transgressively sinful and ripping down the systems is the thing that ends up destroying your world.

00:36:07.000 And guess what?

00:36:08.000 If the right disappears, if the right destroys itself, the transgressive left is ready.

00:36:11.000 They're sitting right there, they're waiting, and they're gaining.

00:36:15.000 The response to a reactionary right is not going to be a left that wants virtue.

00:36:19.000 It's going to be a left that's even more transgressive.

00:36:21.000 That pendulum is going to keep swinging.

00:36:23.000 What an amazing video you just watched.

00:36:25.000 Wasn't that amazing?

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 20, 2026

The Andrew Tate Reckoning Is Here

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