The Ben Shapiro Show - The Art Of The Deal | Ep. 557

00:00:00.000 Donald Trump goes international.

00:00:01.000 He hobnobs at the G7 and he hangs out with Kim Jong-un.

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00:00:05.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:01:36.000 Before we even get to today's news, it was a long weekend, folks.

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00:03:05.000 All right, so finally, on to the news.

00:03:07.000 And you would think that the news would be less ridiculous than that opener. 0.59

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00:03:11.000 President Trump is headed over to Singapore for his meeting with Kim Jong-un, the human time bomb, a man who looks as though he was built in the model of fat man and little boy. 0.88

00:03:21.000 So he apparently is meeting with President Trump one-on-one.

00:03:25.000 Which is just the way you want this meeting to start.

00:03:27.000 What you really want in a meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong-un, a dictator of a country and a guy who is most famous for not reading his morning briefings, is a one-on-one meeting.

00:03:37.000 Now listen, I think that President Trump is good at a great many things.

00:03:40.000 I do not think that he is a great negotiator one-on-one with people armed with nuclear weapons.

00:03:44.000 Just a hunch.

00:03:45.000 I'm not sure that this is the way you want this meeting going.

00:03:47.000 Now, maybe President Trump surprises us all.

00:03:48.000 Maybe what's actually happening here is that Kim Jong-un, the dictator of North Korea,

00:03:52.000 We're good to go.

00:04:12.000 President Trump is meeting with him, and it's not clear what the agenda is going to look like.

00:04:16.000 So first of all, I love this.

00:04:17.000 Vice President Pence was asked about President Trump's preparations for all of this.

00:04:23.000 And it's pretty spectacular.

00:04:24.000 What he said at the Faith and Freedom Coalition is, quote,

00:04:37.000 Um, when?

00:04:39.000 Like, honestly, I just have to ask.

00:04:42.000 Was President Trump preparing for it when President Trump was, like, posing for the cover of Playboy?

00:04:46.000 Or was he more doing it when he was banging around, like, the clubs in the 1970s?

00:04:51.000 Or was he mostly doing it when he was on the set of The Celebrity Apprentice?

00:04:54.000 Like, I'm fine with President Trump handling these negotiations.

00:04:56.000 He can't handle negotiations with a 0.99

00:04:59.000 There's no way to do that.

00:05:00.000 So I'm not saying that this goes horribly, but Vice President Pence has a dramatic tendency, I think, to overstate

00:05:14.000 In any case, President Trump did a presser as he was leaving the G7.

00:05:17.000 This is the last presser that he has done before he headed over to the Singapore meeting.

00:05:34.000 I know there are a lot of people who are really optimistic about this thing.

00:05:36.000 I'm far less optimistic.

00:05:37.000 I don't think that you ought to give a meet-up to a dictator of a country without actually going in with some preconditions, like, here's what you're going to give up.

00:05:43.000 Kim hasn't really given anything up.

00:05:45.000 He gave up a few hostages.

00:05:46.000 I guess that's something, but I'm not sure that you had to guarantee a meeting in order to make that happen.

00:05:50.000 You probably could have done that with a little bit of cash or with some low-level negotiations.

00:05:54.000 Elevating a dictator who's enslaving millions of people in a giant gulag to the status of world leader doesn't seem to me like a great move.

00:06:00.000 You know, I was angry when Barack Obama met with the Iranians. 0.98

00:06:03.000 I was angry when Barack Obama met with the Cubans.

00:06:05.000 You remember, he went over to Cuba, which is another gulag state, and then he hung out there and went to a baseball game and everybody on the right was angry about it.

00:06:11.000 They're fighting mad about it.

00:06:13.000 Same people on the right who are fighting mad about that are not fighting mad about President Trump meeting with Kim Jong-un with no preconditions and really no agenda.

00:06:19.000 When I say there's no agenda, it's not really me who's just saying this.

00:06:22.000 Here's President Trump explaining what the agenda is and how he thinks this thing is going to go.

00:06:27.000 Well, it's always everything.

00:06:28.000 It's really, you know, this is probably rarely been done.

00:06:33.000 It's unknown territory in the truest sense.

00:06:36.000 But I really feel confident.

00:06:38.000 I feel that Kim Jong-un wants to do something great for his people.

00:06:44.000 And he has that opportunity.

00:06:47.000 And he won't have that opportunity again.

00:06:49.000 It's never going to be there again.

00:06:50.000 OK, so obviously they're going in with a clear agenda.

00:06:54.000 And I love that President Trump explains the clear agenda.

00:06:56.000 He's asked, what is the objective of these meetings?

00:06:58.000 Here is his explanation.

00:07:00.000 I have a clear objective, but I have to say, Eliana, that it's going to be something that will always be spur of the moment.

00:07:10.000 You don't know.

00:07:12.000 Okay, so which is it?

00:07:12.000 Is there a clear objective or is it going to be spur of the moment?

00:07:15.000 I know that that's how I go into all my contract negotiations.

00:07:17.000 I say, I have a clear objective, but I'm going to go and just, you know, spur of the moment.

00:07:21.000 Just going to wing it.

00:07:21.000 Bring a disco ball, maybe some sangria.

00:07:23.000 Just have a good time.

00:07:24.000 I mean, that's what I do.

00:07:25.000 So it's, I don't know what this is supposed to accomplish.

00:07:28.000 You know, again, maybe I'm wrong.

00:07:30.000 Maybe this accomplishes everything.

00:07:31.000 Maybe we end up with a denuclearized North Korea.

00:07:35.000 I am skeptical at best, because the fact is that Kim Jong-un is not going to give up his nuclear weapons.

00:07:40.000 The reason he's not going to give up his nuclear weapons is the minute that he does, he's now vulnerable to a Western coup attempt.

00:07:46.000 That's the reason he's pursuing this thing in the first place.

00:07:48.000 According to the Associated Press, President Trump plans to depart early from his unprecedented summit with Kim Jong-un, the White House said on Monday, declaring the nuclear talks with North Korea have moved more quickly than expected.

00:07:57.000 Okay.

00:07:57.000 This is probably a smart move by the White House, because what you don't want is for Trump to stick around

00:08:15.000 And for Kim to go out and say something publicly, and then Trump says something publicly, and then they get into a fistfight or something.

00:08:20.000 In fact, only hours before the White House announcement, U.S.

00:08:22.000 Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had seemed to lower expectations for the meeting, which Trump had predicted could potentially yield an on-the-spot deal to end the Korean War.

00:08:43.000 Here's the problem with President Trump, generally, when it comes to negotiations.

00:08:46.000 President Trump is a great marketer.

00:08:48.000 I mean, it is the thing he is best at.

00:08:49.000 He's amazing at marketing.

00:08:51.000 Well, if you are very good at marketing, one of the things you tend to do is over-promise.

00:08:54.000 You tend to do this, right?

00:08:55.000 Every commercial you have ever watched is a case of somebody over-promising, right?

00:08:58.000 When you watch a commercial on TV and they show you those nice, juicy burgers that look amazing, what those really are are those plastic mock-ups that have been sprayed with water so they look all moist and juicy, and if you ate them, you would literally choke and die.

00:09:10.000 Right, because virtually every ad on television is an oversell.

00:09:13.000 Well, President Trump does a lot of overselling.

00:09:15.000 He says he has the biggest crowds ever.

00:09:17.000 He said that his campaign movement was the biggest ever.

00:09:19.000 He says that this negotiation is going to be the biggest.

00:09:21.000 Everything is the biggest ever.

00:09:22.000 Everything is unprecedented, the biggest ever.

00:09:24.000 Well, the problem is when you oversell an international negotiation, people sort of expect that's going to happen.

00:09:28.000 Pompeo said on Monday, we are hopeful the summit will have set the conditions for future successful talks, which is really him saying we didn't really get much done here.

00:09:36.000 And then President Trump said,

00:09:37.000 What was his actual objective?

00:09:39.000 Well, he explained again at the G7 what his actual objective was.

00:09:41.000 He said he had a clear objective, but it's gonna be spur of the moment, which is weird.

00:09:45.000 And then he said that the minimum would be, and this is really what Trump thinks about the art of the deal.

00:09:49.000 You know, his book, The Art of the Deal, which was not written by President Trump.

00:09:52.000 That's really not how he negotiates.

00:09:53.000 President Trump

00:09:56.000 Well, I think the minimum would be relationship.

00:09:58.000 You'd start at least a dialogue.

00:09:59.000 As a deal person, I've done very well with deals.

00:10:23.000 What you want to do is start that.

00:10:25.000 Now, I'd like to accomplish more than that.

00:10:27.000 But at a minimum, I do believe at least we'll have met each other, we will have seen each other, hopefully we will have liked each other, and we'll start that process.

00:10:37.000 So the President of the United States is very much focused on whether he gets along with foreign leaders.

00:10:42.000 We'll see that this comes up in a different context when we get to the G7, because his relationships with foreign leaders at the G7 are not going so swimmingly.

00:10:49.000 But if he believes that he's going to forge some sort of personal tie,

00:10:51.000 With Kim Jong Un, that I think is a mistake.

00:10:54.000 Again, I do not think that negotiations generally are based on personal ties between leaders.

00:10:58.000 I don't think that it was that Ronald Reagan had this wonderful relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev, and that's why he got an end to the Cold War.

00:11:05.000 It's really more like the Soviets had bankrupted themselves and they were attempting 0.92

00:11:08.000 Really, I mean, you look at their internal documents, and this is what they were saying.

00:11:11.000 They were attempting to hold on to their Soviet empire, but they just didn't have the money or the resources to do so.

00:11:16.000 This was also true with regard to, for example, South Africa, which wanted to disarm.

00:11:20.000 The reason they wanted to disarm is because they wanted to be reintegrated into the family of nations. 0.73

00:11:24.000 It wasn't that the leadership of South Africa had wonderful relationships with the West, and so they decided to do a deal.

00:11:29.000 I've been part of several major business deals myself.

00:11:32.000 A good relationship is not harmful, but if there's no confluence of interest, then a personal relationship is not going to mean very much.

00:11:39.000 I've gotten along with a lot of people with whom I've tried to do a deal, and the deal just never comes together.

00:11:43.000 I've done a lot of deals with people who I don't particularly like, but there's a confluence of interest, and so that happens.

00:11:48.000 Now, President Trump's view of a deal, which is that you get in a room, you hash it out, you make friends with people, it means that President Trump is very good in the room.

00:11:57.000 But it also means that he could be suckered.

00:12:00.000 And this is why I don't like the idea of him being alone in a room with Kim Jong-un and just their translators. 0.70

00:12:04.000 First of all, you never know what the translator for the North Koreans is actually going to say back to Kim Jong-un.

00:12:10.000 I mean, I assume that Trump's translator will know, but that's pretty much it.

00:12:13.000 And second of all,

00:12:14.000 Trump alone in a room with people has not ended well in terms of negotiations.

00:12:17.000 The last time Trump was alone in a room with somebody, he was alone in a room with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, and he offered them a budget deal that broke the bank and overruled his own Republican Party.

00:12:26.000 The time before that, he was alone in the room with foreign leaders.

00:12:28.000 He was alone in a room with the foreign ambassador from Russia, and he ended up saying to him that he fired James Comey over the Russian investigation.

00:12:35.000 I just think this is a situation rife with the possibility for problems.

00:12:40.000 Maybe nothing comes of it.

00:12:41.000 But if nothing comes of it, then what was the purpose of any of this other than, I guess, a photo op that makes Kim Jong-un look stronger in the world as a parallel leader with the most powerful leader on planet Earth?

00:12:49.000 The entire media treating it as a coup, that Trump is meeting with Kim Jong-un, I just don't understand that mentality.

00:12:54.000 It's a coup for Kim Jong-un that he gets to meet with the President of the United States.

00:12:57.000 It'd be a coup for you if you got to meet with the President of the United States.

00:12:59.000 It would not be a coup for you if you got to meet with Kim Jong-un.

00:13:02.000 It would likely mean you were about to be shot.

00:13:04.000 Yes, I have a few more thoughts on this in just a second.

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00:14:35.000 Okay, so.

00:14:36.000 What's the outcome going to be from all of this?

00:14:38.000 Well, here's what you hope the outcome is not.

00:14:40.000 What you hope the outcome is not is denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.

00:14:43.000 So there's been a lot of talk about the president of the United States going in and removing troops from the mainland, from taking troops off of the South Korean peninsula and allowing the North Koreans essentially free reign over the peninsula with Chinese pressure.

00:14:57.000 President Trump has pursued a rather isolating foreign policy.

00:15:00.000 There are certain allies he's grown close to, like Israel.

00:15:02.000 His Middle East policy, I think, has been quite good because it's been anti-Iran. 1.00

00:15:05.000 But his Asian-Pacific policy has been really a shambles.

00:15:10.000 It's been a shambles since he decided to reject the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

00:15:13.000 Now, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, as negotiated by President Obama, had some very serious flaws, had some very serious holes in it.

00:15:19.000 And those could have been rectified by working to fix the deal, by working to make it better.

00:15:24.000 But TPP

00:15:45.000 Through a lot of countries into the arms of China, or at least under the outstretched missile umbrella of the Chinese, none of that is particularly good. 0.87

00:15:52.000 And so when President Trump talks about removing troops from the South Korean peninsula and allowing the North Koreans to have essentially military parity with South Koreans on the peninsula, I'm not saying they're going to go to war.

00:16:03.000 I am saying that the North Koreans and the Chinese then have the ability to pressure South Korea in a way they otherwise would not. 0.50

00:16:09.000 And there are a lot of South Koreans who are not particularly happy with the Americans as it is.

00:16:13.000 None of this is particularly good policy.

00:16:15.000 If the president really wants to force North Korea's hands, he's going to need to do what he likes to do, which is be more muscular, not less muscular.

00:16:22.000 And meeting with Kim Jong-un under these circumstances without any clear agenda — there's talk that President Trump wants to have a follow-up meeting in Mar-a-Lago, and Kim Jong-un is going to come in and play golf with him.

00:16:31.000 Presumably, the final score for each of them will be 18.

00:16:35.000 Because Kim Jong-un, famous for having scored 18 holes in one, one of the things about the cult of personality in North Korea that's somewhat amusing, if you can call amusing a giant dictatorship, is the fact that they put out all these press releases about how Kim Jong-un is the best golfer who ever lived. 0.71

00:16:49.000 They've literally put out... Seriously, they put out actual...

00:16:54.000 Press releases saying that Kim Jong-un has golfed like 18 on a full golf course.

00:16:59.000 He's had 18 holes in one because of this cult of personality.

00:17:02.000 President Trump is known to inflate his own golf prowess on a fairly regular basis.

00:17:07.000 So if they go golfing together, at the very least, we'll get some amusing headlines out of it.

00:17:11.000 But I'm not sure, again, that we should be spending our time and effort

00:17:14.000 Really attempting to reach out to a regime without any clear plan for what goes forward.

00:17:17.000 Again, I'm happy to be proved wrong here, but I'm going to have to be proved wrong because I just don't think that meetings for the sake of meetings are good.

00:17:23.000 And until five minutes ago, neither did most conservatives.

00:17:26.000 Now, speaking of meetings that seem to have gone wildly wrong, President Trump went up to the G7 in Canada and things did not go well.

00:17:32.000 So the G7 is a trade group.

00:17:35.000 They're supposed to get together where they discuss all sorts of important international issues and

00:17:40.000 This is just...

00:17:58.000 A beautiful example of good Trump, bad Trump.

00:18:00.000 So a couple of things that he did that were good is the president refused to get together for the female equality summit, where we all get together and we pretend that in the West, there's all sorts of institutional barriers to women succeeding.

00:18:11.000 That is not true in the United States.

00:18:13.000 It's certainly not true in Europe either.

00:18:14.000 But all of these leaders like to get together and mouth off about it because all of these European leaders are to the left.

00:18:20.000 That was the good.

00:18:21.000 The bad was that the president went there and decided that he was going to start a trade war.

00:18:24.000 So the president has a very peculiar notion on trade.

00:18:27.000 His peculiar notion on trade is that America is better off if it doesn't do it.

00:18:31.000 That America is stronger if we trade less with other countries.

00:18:35.000 And we have to be clear, when we say America should trade less with other countries,

00:18:38.000 We don't mean the American government should trade less with other countries.

00:18:41.000 We mean that the American people should trade less with other countries.

00:18:43.000 So you should not buy a product that was made in Korea or China or Indonesia or England or France or Germany.

00:18:49.000 You shouldn't buy a German luxury vehicle. 0.98

00:18:51.000 You should buy American, dammit! 0.99

00:18:52.000 And this somehow is going to make America stronger. 0.99

00:18:54.000 Now the problem with that, of course, is that means that you are spending more money for an inferior product in many cases.

00:18:59.000 Many of these foreign companies have bases in the United States where they manufacture parts that go into their own cars.

00:19:05.000 Mercedes has factories in the United States.

00:19:06.000 Toyota has massive factories down in the southern United States.

00:19:09.000 And when you boycott Toyota, you're not necessarily helping Americans.

00:19:13.000 In fact, what you're doing is shifting your own money from the pockets of Americans who are in more efficient industries and more efficient businesses.

00:19:20.000 to the pockets of Americans in subsidized industries.

00:19:22.000 Effectively, it's a backhanded tax.

00:19:24.000 You are being taxed to benefit particular industries.

00:19:27.000 Well, President Trump thinks that that makes a country stronger, and so he likes to look at the so-called trade deficit.

00:19:31.000 The trade deficit is where Americans spend more on products from China than Chinese folks spend on products from America. 0.99

00:19:38.000 Now, people who have paid attention to the trade deficit, it's a complete waste of time, it's really stupid.

00:19:42.000 Paying attention to the trade deficit makes no sense, because again, you have a trade deficit with every business you do business with who does not buy from you. 0.95

00:19:48.000 You have a trade deficit with your gas station.

00:19:50.000 You have a trade deficit with your Starbucks.

00:19:52.000 You have a trade deficit with your local grocery store.

00:19:55.000 You have a trade deficit with every business that you buy from, but does not buy from you, you have a trade deficit with.

00:19:59.000 Does that mean you should stop shopping there?

00:20:01.000 And instead of going and getting a cup of coffee at Starbucks or Coffee Bean, instead you decide to grow your own coffee trees in the backyard and hand grind your coffee?

00:20:09.000 Is that efficient?

00:20:10.000 Of course that's not efficient.

00:20:11.000 The whole reason that trade is efficient is because of comparative advantage.

00:20:14.000 Starbucks is better and cheaper at making coffee than you are.

00:20:17.000 And you can take that extra time where you didn't grow the coffee beans and then grind them up and make a crappy brew, and instead you can get the somewhat less crappy brew from Starbucks.

00:20:25.000 They can make all that happen for a couple of bucks.

00:20:27.000 There's a reason that we trade with each other.

00:20:29.000 There is a reason why capitalism and free markets have raised half the globe from abject poverty.

00:20:33.000 Subsistence economies are giant fails.

00:20:35.000 But the premise of President Trump's view on trade is that every time you trade with somebody, it's a zero-sum game.

00:20:40.000 There's a winner and there is a loser.

00:20:42.000 That is not true.

00:20:43.000 But that is how the president feels.

00:20:44.000 And so he's constantly talking about the trade deficit.

00:20:46.000 Well, what's happened inside the Trump administration is this weird sort of gap where Trump says, I love tariffs.

00:20:52.000 They're great.

00:20:53.000 He says things like tariffs make us stronger.

00:20:55.000 And then you got Larry Kudlow, who is a free trader and somebody who actually understands basic economics 101, who says, you know, Mr. President, trade is actually quite good.

00:21:04.000 If you cut down on trade, the people that hurts most are people in the rust belt who actually need to export product in order to make a living.

00:21:10.000 And maybe if you like tariffs, what you should do is you should use it as a retaliatory measure.

00:21:14.000 So use it as a way to ratchet down tariffs from other countries.

00:21:16.000 So President Trump tends to give two sort of conflicting messages with regard to trade.

00:21:21.000 And they really do conflict.

00:21:22.000 One is tariffs are great.

00:21:24.000 And the other is tariffs are bad and I'm going to use tariffs to fight those tariffs.

00:21:27.000 The problem is those mixed messages

00:21:31.000 Because if the president actually wanted to negotiate a lowering of trade barriers, a lowering of tariffs, he obviously could do that.

00:21:40.000 But he'd actually have to spend some time negotiating that.

00:21:43.000 He couldn't just start raising trade barriers and then suggesting the trade barriers themselves are wonderful. 0.94

00:21:48.000 So in just a second, I want to talk about what President Trump had to say at the G7, and why it ended up undercutting a lot of his agenda, why it was actually kind of foolish.

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00:23:26.000 OK, so President Trump, as I say, has been issuing conflicting messages about trade.

00:23:31.000 And at the G7, he did this on a routine basis.

00:23:33.000 So he starts off this press conference.

00:23:35.000 He held sort of this impromptu press conference at which he talked about trade and how the G7 was going.

00:23:40.000 And he says, there's no reason that we should have had a trade deficit in the first place. 0.72

00:23:45.000 It's ridiculous. 0.94

00:23:46.000 It's unacceptable. 0.96

00:23:46.000 Here's what he has to say. 0.96

00:23:48.000 There was no reason that this should have happened.

00:23:52.000 Last year, they lost 800, we as a nation, over the years.

00:23:59.000 The latest number is $817 billion on trade. 0.60

00:24:04.000 That's ridiculous and it's unacceptable. 0.96

00:24:06.000 First of all, that's ridiculous and unacceptable. 0.99

00:24:08.000 It's not true. 0.81

00:24:09.000 We did not lose $817 billion on trade.

00:24:11.000 When I give my money to a Chinese company, that Chinese company cannot spend those dollars in China.

00:24:16.000 It has to then spend those dollars on American products or services or investments.

00:24:19.000 The Chinese have largely been using that money to buy American bonds and fund the national debt that nobody in the government seems to give any craps about. 0.99

00:24:26.000 So that's just not true.

00:24:27.000 Trump continues along these lines.

00:24:28.000 But now, here's the conflicting message, right?

00:24:30.000 So on the one hand, he says, we have these trade deficits that are really bad.

00:24:33.000 If you think trade deficits are bad, the solution is tariffs.

00:24:36.000 Then he says, but I hate tariffs.

00:24:37.000 Tariffs are terrible.

00:24:38.000 So you've got Trump at war with Trump now.

00:24:41.000 So here is Trump talking about how he wishes to get rid of all the tariffs.

00:24:44.000 No tariffs, no barriers.

00:24:47.000 That's the way it should be.

00:24:49.000 And no subsidies.

00:24:50.000 I even said no tariffs.

00:24:52.000 In other words, let's say Canada, where we have tremendous tariffs.

00:24:59.000 The United States pays tremendous tariffs on dairy, as an example.

00:25:04.000 270%.

00:25:04.000 Nobody knows that.

00:25:08.000 We pay nothing.

00:25:09.000 We don't want to pay anything.

00:25:10.000 So which is it?

00:25:10.000 Do you want tariffs higher or lower?

00:25:12.000 Are tariffs good in and of themselves?

00:25:14.000 Or are they bad in and of themselves?

00:25:15.000 Again, Trump back and forth.

00:25:16.000 So here's Trump saying that he doesn't like trade deficits and we can't lose.

00:25:20.000 He says if we increase tariffs, we can't lose.

00:25:21.000 Well, no, that's not the point, right?

00:25:24.000 The idea here is that if you're increasing tariffs, you are losing, but you're attempting to leverage the other side into stopping their own tariffs.

00:25:31.000 But Trump seems to be a little confused on the policy.

00:25:35.000 And as an example, with one country, we have $375 billion in trade deficits.

00:25:42.000 We can't lose.

00:25:45.000 You could make the case that they lost years ago.

00:25:48.000 But when you're down $375 billion, you can't lose.

00:25:53.000 And we have to bring them up.

00:25:55.000 So there's very bad spirit when we have a big trade imbalance, and we want to bring it up to balance.

00:26:01.000 Just balance.

00:26:03.000 And they keep raising it so that you never catch.

00:26:07.000 That's not a good thing to do.

00:26:10.000 And we have very, very strong measures that take care of that because we do so much

00:26:17.000 The numbers are so astronomically against them, in terms of anything, as per your question.

00:26:24.000 We win that war a thousand times out of a thousand.

00:26:27.000 Right, so on the one hand he keeps saying, I want zero tariffs, I want no barriers, and on the other hand he says, we can go to war and we can win, and trade wars are very easy.

00:26:33.000 They're very easy.

00:26:35.000 And then he says that we're actually going to strengthen America through tariffs.

00:26:37.000 So which is it?

00:26:38.000 Are tariffs just a measure that we're using to ratchet down other nations' tariffs?

00:26:42.000 That makes a certain amount of sense, and I'm OK with that.

00:26:47.000 OK, so Trump obviously likes tariffs.

00:26:50.000 OK, here's the reality.

00:26:51.000 He's had this perspective on trade since the 1980s.

00:26:53.000 He believes that America is being screwed by trade or whatever.

00:26:56.000 OK, it's not economically literate, but that's the way that he feels about all of this.

00:27:01.000 Now, none of this would have made a huge difference if the president had just gone and signed this GA7 statement.

00:27:05.000 There's this vague statement you're supposed to sign at the very end, in which they talk about why free trade is great.

00:27:10.000 And Trump refused to sign it because he got miffed.

00:27:12.000 And why'd he get miffed?

00:27:12.000 He got miffed because, as I said with regard to Kim Jong-un, the personal relationships went south.

00:27:16.000 So at the beginning of this press conference, where he's talking about how this meeting went,

00:27:21.000 The relationship that I've had with

00:27:43.000 The people the leaders of these countries has been I would really rate it on a scale of 0 to 10 I would rate it a 10 that doesn't mean I agree with what they're doing and they know very well that I don't so we're negotiating very hard tariffs and barriers a lot of these countries actually smile at me when I'm talking and the smile is

00:28:08.000 We couldn't believe we got away with it.

00:28:10.000 That's a smile.

00:28:12.000 So it's going to change.

00:28:12.000 It's going to change.

00:28:13.000 They have no choice.

00:28:14.000 If it's not going to change, we're not going to trade with them. 0.96

00:28:17.000 I love this.

00:28:17.000 He doesn't actually have an actual goal here, right?

00:28:21.000 His goal, supposedly, is to lower their tariffs.

00:28:24.000 But if they don't lower their tariffs, he's going to raise tariffs.

00:28:26.000 And then even if they do lower their tariffs, he still kind of likes tariffs.

00:28:29.000 He says it doesn't change.

00:28:30.000 Does anyone really believe, by the way, that all of these countries sit down across from the president of the United States and he says, you guys are screwing us on trade? 0.54

00:28:36.000 And they start smiling knowingly, like, yeah, we know we're screwing you on trade, dude.

00:28:39.000 Or is it they're smiling because he doesn't know what he's talking about on trade?

00:28:43.000 Now, again, as I say, you can use tariffs as a way to ratchet down other tariffs.

00:28:46.000 This is Larry Kudlow's point.

00:28:47.000 Larry Kudlow is the president's chief economic advisor.

00:28:50.000 And here is what Kudlow had to say on Trump's plan, standing next to Trump, right?

00:28:54.000 The president reduces barriers.

00:28:57.000 In fact, go to zero.

00:28:59.000 Zero tariffs.

00:29:01.000 Zero non-tariff barriers.

00:29:03.000 Zero subsidies.

00:29:04.000 And along the way, we're going to have to clean up the international trading system, about which there was virtual consensus of agreement on that.

00:29:12.000 And that will be a target.

00:29:14.000 And these are the best ways to promote economic growth.

00:29:16.000 We'll all be better at it.

00:29:17.000 We'll all be stronger at it.

00:29:18.000 Okay, so Kudlow is speaking of Trump I, right?

00:29:21.000 This is the perspective that you use tariffs in order to ratchet down other tariffs.

00:29:24.000 Trump is speaking Trump II, which is his real perspective, which is let's raise tariffs on everybody at every time.

00:29:29.000 He's already talking about raising tariffs on cars.

00:29:31.000 He's already raised it on steel and aluminum.

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00:31:13.000 So as I say, President Trump is all over the place on trade, right?

00:31:16.000 Sometimes he is very pro-trade, right?

00:31:18.000 Zero tariffs, zero barriers.

00:31:19.000 And other times he says, tariffs are wonderful in and of themselves, right?

00:31:22.000 They're all great.

00:31:23.000 But none of this really would have mattered in terms of the outcome from the G7.

00:31:27.000 Everybody sort of would have futzed their way through it, except that the other countries were not willing to sit by and let Trump do this routine.

00:31:33.000 So Justin Trudeau, who's handsome Bernie Sanders, he is still more pro-free trade than President Trump.

00:31:41.000 There was talk yesterday about his eyebrow coming down his face, that his eyebrow actually came loose.

00:31:46.000 That is not true, okay?

00:31:47.000 His eyebrow is not actually loose.

00:31:49.000 If you can see this visually, then you see that his left eyebrow appears to be sliding down his face as though he's wearing weird

00:31:56.000 It would be with regret, but it would be with absolute certainty and firmness that we move forward with retaliatory measures on July 1st, applying equivalent

00:32:25.000 tariffs to the ones that the Americans have unjustly applied to us.

00:32:31.000 I have made it very clear to the President that it is not something we relish doing, but it is something that we absolutely will do.

00:32:39.000 Because Canadians, we're polite, we're reasonable, but we also will not be pushed around.

00:32:45.000 Okay, so this set Trump off, right?

00:32:47.000 This set Trump off.

00:32:48.000 So Trump got very angry because Justin Trudeau said that Trump had basically started this trade war, which is kind of true.

00:32:53.000 I mean, we didn't have a trade war until five minutes ago, and then Trump decided that he was going to raise tariffs, supposedly because he wanted to lower tariffs in Canada, but really because he kind of likes tariffs.

00:33:01.000 And this caused President Trump to start tweeting, right?

00:33:04.000 The tweet storm began.

00:33:05.000 Category five, hurricane tweet storm.

00:33:07.000 He said,

00:33:08.000 Okay, the truth is, trade barriers have been lowered over the course of many decades to the point where the average trade barrier Canada to the U.S., their products are like 1.6%.

00:33:13.000 Okay, these are not massive trade barriers in most cases.

00:33:31.000 And the ones that are there are bad.

00:33:33.000 Raising our own tariffs in other areas in retaliation would be one thing, but doing it because you sort of like the tariffs is another.

00:33:39.000 Here's President Trump continuing, and again, the conflicting message.

00:33:42.000 Based on Justin's false statements at his news conference and the fact that Canada is charging massive tariffs to our U.S.

00:33:47.000 farmers, workers and companies, I have instructed our U.S.

00:33:50.000 reps not to endorse the communique as we look at tariffs on automobiles flooding U.S.

00:33:54.000 markets.

00:33:54.000 And now he's talking about massive tariffs on automobiles coming into American markets.

00:34:00.000 How is that beneficial to the American consumer?

00:34:01.000 He can't explain.

00:34:02.000 It's not going to be good for the economy.

00:34:03.000 The White House's own report suggests this won't be good for the economy.

00:34:07.000 If you were arguing, again, that you're raising the tariffs in order to knock Canada so that they knock down their own tariffs, that's one thing, but that's not where Trump goes next.

00:34:14.000 Trump continues along these lines, and then he suggests

00:34:17.000 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our G7 conference only to give a news conference after I left saying U.S.

00:34:23.000 tariffs were kind of insulting and he will not be pushed around. 0.87

00:34:26.000 Very dishonest and weak.

00:34:28.000 Our tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy.

00:34:30.000 Okay, so.

00:34:32.000 He picks out one tariff, and then he says we're going to raise tariffs on, like, everything, and then he says it's Justin Trudeau's fault for kicking back on all of this stuff.

00:34:38.000 See, this is why you should have a negotiation, not a Twitter fight, or go in there with an actual agenda, which President Trump obviously did not do.

00:34:45.000 And, again, like, I am not a Justin Trudeau fan.

00:34:47.000 I've mocked Justin Trudeau as hard as anybody on the air.

00:34:51.000 Finally, the president continues.

00:34:53.000 Again, this is a massive tweet storm.

00:34:55.000 So President Trump this morning was continuing with all of this.

00:34:58.000 He just, he was in Singapore and he still wouldn't stop.

00:35:01.000 And so he was continuing along these lines in Singapore this morning.

00:35:05.000 And here is what he tweeted.

00:35:07.000 He tweeted, fair trade is now to be called fool trade if it is not reciprocal.

00:35:11.000 According to a Canada release, they make almost $100 billion in trade with U.S.

00:35:15.000 Guess they were bragging and got caught.

00:35:16.000 They don't make $100 billion in trade with us if we have a trade deficit with Canada.

00:35:20.000 Again.

00:35:35.000 This is wrong.

00:35:36.000 This is not wrong.

00:35:37.000 And then he says the EU has a $151 billion trade surplus with the United States and they should pay more for their military.

00:35:43.000 This evidences lack of knowledge about trade.

00:35:45.000 And it once again evidences that the real reason that Trump is mad here is because people said that they didn't have great relationships.

00:35:51.000 Right now, this led to some really untoward language by members of the Trump administration.

00:35:57.000 So here is Larry Kudlow.

00:36:01.000 We're going to war with Canada, guys.

00:36:03.000 I mean, I'm excited about this.

00:36:05.000 I want a piece of Quebec.

00:36:06.000 So Larry Kudlow says that Justin Trudeau stabbed us in the back.

00:36:09.000 Until five minutes ago, the Canadians were our friends. 1.00

00:36:11.000 Now I guess we're going to have to go to war with our northern neighbors.

00:36:14.000 I mean, this has now turned into an episode of South Park with President Trump shouting, blame Canada.

00:36:18.000 Here is Larry Kudlow saying that Justin Trudeau stabbed us in the back.

00:36:22.000 Here's the thing, I mean, he really kind of stabbed us in the back.

00:36:26.000 He really actually, you know what, he did a great disservice to the whole G7.

00:36:32.000 He betrayed- Trudeau did.

00:36:34.000 Yes he did.

00:36:34.000 Because they were united in the G7.

00:36:39.000 They came together.

00:36:41.000 OK, so they came together, but then Trudeau ripped it all apart?

00:36:44.000 Not the president?

00:36:44.000 Yeah, right.

00:36:45.000 OK, so here's Peter Navarro, who went even farther. 1.00

00:36:48.000 Peter Navarro is an idiot. 1.00

00:36:49.000 I mean, I'm just going to put that out there. 1.00

00:36:50.000 Peter Navarro is a dummy.

00:36:51.000 And Peter Navarro is one of the president's trade advisors who believes that a giant trade war will lift the United States.

00:36:56.000 He actually believes this.

00:36:58.000 And then he said that there was a special place in hell for Trudeau.

00:37:00.000 So I guess there's a special place in hell for women who don't defend other women, according to Madeleine Albright. 0.96

00:37:04.000 There's now a special place in hell for leaders like Justin Trudeau, which is really exciting. 0.80

00:37:08.000 We're running out of, like, regular hell.

00:37:09.000 What happened to regular hell?

00:37:10.000 I guess it's now been subdivided up into special places.

00:37:12.000 There's so many special places in hell.

00:37:14.000 It's like the Epcot Center in hell. 0.98

00:37:16.000 There's just a bunch of weird little food stands, and they sell crappy garbage, apparently, to Justin Trudeau and women who don't defend other women. 0.96

00:37:23.000 Here's Peter Navarro saying that Justin Trudeau has now a special place in hell where everyone, I guess, says, 0.98

00:37:28.000 I guess that's just called Canada.

00:37:29.000 Here he is. 0.97

00:37:30.000 Chris, there's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door.

00:37:43.000 And that's what bad faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference. 0.97

00:37:47.000 That's what weak, dishonest Justin Trudeau did.

00:37:51.000 Okay, so, look, the reality is that a lot of the people on TV are performing for President Trump, demonstrating that they agree with President Trump, this is how you stay in good with President Trump.

00:37:59.000 It's one of the problems I have with his style of governance, which is that the President likes to feel like a strong man, and so he likes when people around him say yes to him and say, yes, Mr. President, what you did was so genius, Mr. President.

00:38:09.000 If Larry Kudlow wants to impact free trade, he has to go on TV and pretend that Trump is actually a free trader.

00:38:13.000 But, if anybody believes this is going to hurt Trump, they are wrong.

00:38:16.000 They are totally wrong if they believe this is going to hurt Trump in any serious way.

00:38:19.000 I will explain why in just a second.

00:38:21.000 So, from the G7, there was this picture that came out.

00:38:26.000 And here was the picture.

00:38:27.000 This was passed around in a lot of media circles.

00:38:30.000 This was taken by the German delegation.

00:38:32.000 And if you can't see it, what the picture shows is Angela Merkel, who is standing over a table, gazing down, glaring at President Trump.

00:38:39.000 And President Trump has on his F.U.

00:38:41.000 smile.

00:38:42.000 Right, he's got his arms crossed and he's looking back up here like, what you gonna do, lady?

00:38:46.000 And they're surrounded by a bunch of other foreign leaders.

00:38:49.000 You can see Shinzo Abe, who's from Japan. 0.76

00:38:51.000 He's kind of apparently thinking about why Westworld sucks now.

00:38:54.000 He's kind of gazing off into the distance, not understanding what's going on.

00:38:57.000 John Bolton is like, uh, like what's going on?

00:39:00.000 But Angela Merkel is staring down angrily at President Trump. 0.85

00:39:02.000 And a lot of people on the left are like, this is what America has become.

00:39:06.000 If you think that hurts President Trump domestically in any way, you out of your mind. 0.88

00:39:09.000 You're crazy if you believe that hurts Trump.

00:39:11.000 Trump standing up to foreign leaders is why President Trump was elected. 0.88

00:39:14.000 Trump standing up to foreign leaders and not backing down is why people like President Trump in the first place.

00:39:19.000 So, is this going to hurt President Trump?

00:39:20.000 No.

00:39:21.000 Is any of this going to matter in the end?

00:39:22.000 Only if President Trump decides to pursue these tariffs.

00:39:25.000 If he decides to pursue the tariffs, he's going to put a damper on the economy that has been booming under his watch.

00:39:30.000 There's no reason for him to do this.

00:39:31.000 He will be blamed if the economy goes south.

00:39:33.000 And if the tariffs go into place and the economy goes south,

00:39:35.000 He should be blamed.

00:39:36.000 I mean, he should have a part of that blame.

00:39:39.000 OK.

00:39:40.000 Now, meanwhile, I have to bring you this story from The Washington Post, because it's just insane. 0.98

00:39:44.000 There's an opinion column by Susanna DeNuda Walters, a professor of uselessness, sociology, and director of the Women's Gender and Sexuality Studies Program at Northeastern University, where they study a bunch of crap that they pay her for. 0.97

00:39:55.000 And she wrote a piece. 0.97

00:39:56.000 This is for The Washington Post.

00:39:57.000 It is literally called, Why Can't We Hate Men?

00:40:01.000 Why Can't We Hate Men?

00:40:02.000 That's the name of the piece. 0.98

00:40:05.000 Suffice it to say that if you name that piece, why can't we hate the blacks? 1.00

00:40:09.000 People might be like, um, that's horrible. 0.98

00:40:11.000 Or we say, why can't we hate women? 1.00

00:40:12.000 That might be sexist. 0.95

00:40:14.000 Why can't we hate the Juden? 0.95

00:40:16.000 That might be Nazi. 0.88

00:40:17.000 But why can't we hate men from Feminist Totally Fine? 1.00

00:40:19.000 Now, you might think that that's just an over-the-top title for clickbait.

00:40:22.000 Nope.

00:40:22.000 That's the entire piece.

00:40:23.000 It says, it's not that Eric Schneiderman, the now former New York Attorney General accused of abuse by multiple women, pushed me over the edge.

00:40:29.000 My edge has been crossed for a long time, before President Trump, before Harvey Weinstein, before mansplaining and incels, before live-streaming sexual assaults in red pill men's groups and rape camps as a tool of war and the deadening banality of male prerogative. 0.82

00:40:41.000 Seen in this indisputably true context, it seems logical to hate men.

00:40:45.000 Really?

00:40:46.000 Does it?

00:40:46.000 Because I have not been a part of a rape camp?

00:40:49.000 Red pill men's groups? 0.87

00:40:49.000 I don't know who she's talking about. 0.87

00:40:51.000 If that's people who believe that women are not generally being discriminated against in American society, I guess that's me, but I don't know why that's sexist.

00:40:58.000 Mansplaining in incels?

00:40:59.000 Like, what?

00:41:01.000 I can't lie.

00:41:01.000 I've always had a soft spot for the radical feminist smackdown.

00:41:03.000 No.

00:41:04.000 Shocker.

00:41:04.000 Can't believe it.

00:41:05.000 Just for naming the problem in no uncertain terms.

00:41:08.000 I've rankled at the but-we-don't-hate-men protestations of generations of would-be feminists and found the men-are-not-the-problem-this-system-is obfuscation too precious by half.

00:41:15.000 But of course, the criticisms of this blanket condemnation of men from transnational feminists who decry such glib universalism to U.S.

00:41:22.000 women of color who demand an intersectional perspective are mostly on the mark.

00:41:25.000 These critics rightly insist on an analysis of male power as institutional, 0.93

00:41:29.000 Not narrowly personal or individual or biologically based in male bodies.

00:41:33.000 Growing movement to challenge masculinity, built on domination and violence, and to engage boys and men in feminism, both gratifying and necessary.

00:41:39.000 Please continue.

00:41:40.000 So, a bunch of gobbledygook.

00:41:42.000 Plus, teach boys to be feminists. 1.00

00:41:43.000 But, this recognition of the complexity of male domination should not, must not mean, we forget some universal facts.

00:41:48.000 Pretty much everywhere in the world, this is true.

00:41:50.000 Women experience sexual violence, and the threat of that violence permeates our choices, big and small. 0.75

00:41:55.000 Women in America do not experience pervasive sexual violence.

00:41:57.000 They do not. 0.92

00:41:59.000 There is sexual violence in the United States, but the notion that women across the United States are victimized by sexual violence is just bullcrap.

00:42:06.000 The statistics do not bear this out. 0.98

00:42:09.000 Women are raped. 0.99

00:42:10.000 It's awful. 1.00

00:42:11.000 The men should be castrated or killed. 1.00

00:42:13.000 To believe that women across the United States are experiencing this stuff is just not true. 1.00

00:42:16.000 And if you're going to boil down sexual violence to a catcall or a whistle, then you're an idiot. 1.00

00:42:21.000 Look at actual sexual violence. 1.00

00:42:23.000 All those things are wrong.

00:42:24.000 Catcalls, whistles, these are not good things. 1.00

00:42:25.000 But to proclaim that this is sexual violence, that means that all men are evil, is idiotic. 0.99

00:42:30.000 In addition, she says, male violence is not restricted to intimate partner attacks or sexual assault, but plagues us in the form of terrorism and mass gun violence. 0.99

00:42:38.000 So apparently when there's a mass shooting, it's women who are being targeted, which we have no evidence for.

00:42:42.000 And then she finally concludes, it is long past time to play hard for team feminism and win. 1.00

00:42:47.000 Step away from power, men.

00:42:48.000 We got this.

00:42:49.000 And please know that your crocodile tears won't be wiped away by us anymore.

00:42:52.000 We have every right to hate you.

00:42:53.000 You have done us wrong. 0.99

00:42:55.000 Well, I have every right then to hate intersectional feminists like this who are vile and make the society worse. 1.00

00:43:00.000 Amazing the Washington Post would print this garbage, but not all that amazing since they are indeed the Washington Post. 0.99

00:43:05.000 OK, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate. 0.79

00:43:08.000 So things that I like, this is really a thing that I hate, but the announcement is a thing that is amazing.

00:43:13.000 So Charles Krauthammer is the dean of conservative columnists.

00:43:17.000 He is sort of the heir to William F. Buckley.

00:43:19.000 He was his generation's William F. Buckley, a columnist for the Washington Post, a Pulitzer Prize winner.

00:43:25.000 And he has now put out a statement.

00:43:28.000 He only is expected to live for a few weeks, and he put out a beautiful statement at the end of last week.

00:43:33.000 He concludes his statement this way.

00:43:35.000 He says,

00:43:45.000 I'm grateful to have played a small role in the conversations that have helped guide this extraordinary nation's destiny.

00:43:50.000 I leave this life with no regrets.

00:43:51.000 It was a wonderful life, full and complete with the great loves and great endeavors that make it worth living.

00:43:55.000 I am sad to leave, but I leave with the knowledge that I lived the life that I intended.

00:43:59.000 And would that everybody...

00:44:01.000 He not only has this grace, but lives the life that they intended.

00:44:04.000 With it, everybody dies with that sort of feeling of accomplishment as Charles Krauthammer.

00:44:09.000 As well, he should.

00:44:10.000 I mean, Charles Krauthammer is an amazing guy.

00:44:11.000 So Charles Krauthammer, when he was in Harvard Medical School, he was in a diving accident, and he was paralyzed from the neck down.

00:44:17.000 And he went on to get his psychiatric degree from Harvard Medical School.

00:44:20.000 He worked on the DSM-II.

00:44:21.000 And then he became a columnist on politics and culture and won the Pulitzer Prize.

00:44:25.000 And, of course, you saw him every night on Fox News.

00:44:28.000 So he will be passing away in the next few weeks, according to his doctors.

00:44:31.000 A tremendous loss for not only the conservative movement, but for the cause of gentility and decency.

00:44:36.000 A really decent human being.

00:44:37.000 I met Charles Krauthammer twice.

00:44:39.000 Once was in his office, where he asked probing questions between talk about baseball

00:44:44.000 And once was actually over at the PragerU offices where he was cutting a video for them.

00:44:47.000 And I was over in the offices at the time.

00:44:48.000 We had a little bit of time to chat.

00:44:50.000 Just an amazing person.

00:44:51.000 Depth of mind, depth of curiosity, and a truly profound soul.

00:44:55.000 So the world will be lesser for his loss.

00:44:58.000 Thank God that we all had the experience of getting to watch Charles Krauthammer at work.

00:45:02.000 A wordsmith and a deep thinker at the same time, which is an amazing thing.

00:45:05.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:45:10.000 So speaking of people who are not wordsmiths or deep thinkers, let's talk about the Tony Awards last night.

00:45:15.000 So the Tony Awards happened last night and apparently the deep thinkers at the Tony Awards felt the necessity to virtue signal to all of their friends in the theater industry.

00:45:24.000 This began with Robert De Niro.

00:45:25.000 So Robert De Niro gets up and he gives a very eloquent statement of why he opposes President Trump.

00:45:30.000 Like a very eloquent, deep statement of why President Trump ought to be ousted and is a grave threat to the system of American democracy.

00:45:40.000 I'm gonna say one thing. 1.00

00:45:41.000 F*** Trump. 1.00

00:45:46.000 Okay, we bleeped it out. 1.00

00:45:47.000 He says F*** Trump right there. 0.99

00:45:48.000 Standing ovation. 1.00

00:45:49.000 Standing ovation.

00:45:50.000 I'm just gonna say one thing. 1.00

00:45:51.000 F*** Trump. 1.00

00:45:53.000 Such bravery. 1.00

00:45:54.000 Stunning bravery. 0.99

00:45:55.000 If you're down with Trump, it's F*** Trump. 0.99

00:45:57.000 No longer down with Trump. 1.00

00:45:58.000 It's F-Trump.

00:46:00.000 Oh, bravery.

00:46:01.000 Bravery beyond all measure.

00:46:03.000 Bravery beyond all capacity.

00:46:04.000 I'm sure that everyone in that audience hated Trump until that moment, and then Robert De Niro spoke truth to power.

00:46:11.000 And suddenly, all of the love that they had had for Trump up until then turned to hate.

00:46:15.000 Wow, what unbelievable bravery.

00:46:16.000 Just speaking truth.

00:46:18.000 And the explanation, I mean, the real fulsome explanation of why he opposes President Trump there really is quite meaningful.

00:46:25.000 I will say, like, I thought it was a convincing case, a beautifully convincing case by Robert De Niro for why you shouldn't support President Trump.

00:46:31.000 And good for, what an amazing dude Robert De Niro is.

00:46:35.000 And then Andrew Garfield gets up.

00:46:37.000 So Andrew Garfield, who you'll recall from such great movies as Spider-Man, the reboot that was then rebooted, Andrew Garfield,

00:46:45.000 It's in Angels in America.

00:46:46.000 So Angels in America, you'll remember as a tendentious, overlong, ridiculous, crappy TV series from HBO starring half of Hollywood. 0.92

00:46:52.000 It was like a nine-hour meditation on homosexuality in America from like 1960s on. 0.94

00:46:58.000 And they made a seven-hour Wagnerian production of it for Broadway in which Andrew Garfield plays a young gay man suffering from AIDS.

00:47:05.000 And Andrew Garfield gets up at the Tony Awards where

00:47:08.000 A quarter of the audience probably is gay.

00:47:10.000 And he starts lecturing Americans in front of the cameras about the Masterpiece Cake Shop case because he doesn't know anything about law or about, apparently, decency. 0.89

00:47:19.000 So he gets up and then he starts talking about, let's down with the Supreme Court.

00:47:24.000 So we had Robert De Niro, F. Trump, and now we have Andrew Garfield speaking from the heart about why Christians should be forced to violate their own religious precepts. 0.99

00:47:31.000 We are all sacred and we all belong, so let's just bake a cake for everyone who wants a cake to be baked!

00:47:41.000 So let's just bake a cake.

00:47:41.000 Fine.

00:47:42.000 I ask you, Andrew Garfield, I'm going to write a play about Masterpiece Cake Shop.

00:47:45.000 It's about how the Christian family in that case was victimized by vindictive LGBT activists and who almost ruined their business and destroyed their lives.

00:47:52.000 I would like you to play the lead.

00:47:53.000 I would like Andrew Garfield to play the lead as the Christian man who refused service to the same sex wedding out of religious conviction and then almost had his life destroyed by a bunch of vindictive bureaucrats.

00:48:03.000 And you should play that lead.

00:48:04.000 Act the part.

00:48:06.000 You know, why can't we all just act the parts that we're asked to act?

00:48:08.000 I'm happy to pay your salary.

00:48:10.000 I'll raise the money to do it.

00:48:11.000 And you can star in it, Andrew Garfield.

00:48:13.000 I mean, I'm serious about this.

00:48:14.000 I will go raise the money right now.

00:48:16.000 If he pledges to act in this play, I will write it, and then we'll go get the money, and Andrew Garfield can act.

00:48:20.000 It'll be great.

00:48:21.000 Because he shouldn't have any say as to what sort of parts he acts.

00:48:24.000 He should just act whatever part comes in front of him.

00:48:27.000 And if he has moral scruples about that part, well, why can't he be tolerant?

00:48:30.000 Why can't he be a more tolerant person?

00:48:32.000 Why can't he just act the part that people want him to act and are willing to pay him to act?

00:48:36.000 I'm willing to even pay him his money.

00:48:37.000 I'm not saying do it for free. 1.00

00:48:39.000 This is the stupidity of this position. 1.00

00:48:42.000 This idea, just bake the cake, just bake the cake. 1.00

00:48:44.000 What if I don't want to bake the cake? 0.99

00:48:45.000 It's a free damn country. 0.98

00:48:47.000 I get to not bake the cake if I don't want to bake the cake. 0.99

00:48:49.000 And the fact that Andrew Garfield stands up there and is lecturing everybody about what cake to bake, he's an artist too.

00:48:55.000 He should know.

00:48:56.000 He should know when it is appropriate and when it is not to force people to do things.

00:49:01.000 As an artist, I do not get to force my perception of what Andrew Garfield should act upon Andrew Garfield.

00:49:06.000 That's not the way this works.

00:49:07.000 Even though he's in the public square, even though he's operating in the area of commerce, I don't get to do that.

00:49:13.000 But according to Andrew Garfield, everybody else should have to do that because he is upset that gay weddings aren't going to get the cake from the Christian shop as opposed to the cake from every other bake shop in America owned by a gay person. 0.95

00:49:25.000 It's ridiculous, and it's over-the-top, and again, it's virtue signaling in front of a bunch of people who agree with him, and so he gets big cheers for that. 0.87

00:49:31.000 If he wanted to actually be brave, he should have gone out there and said, we all need to tolerate one another, and that means that I'm willing to tolerate the Christian baker who doesn't want to cater to my same-sex wedding, and the Christian baker should tolerate me when I come in and ask for a cake. 0.95

00:49:42.000 He doesn't want to do that.

00:49:44.000 Instead, he wants to engage in a bit of, let me tell you what to do, which is what the entire left apparently wants to do now, so that's just wonderful.

00:49:51.000 Okay.

00:49:52.000 Final thing that I hate.

00:49:53.000 So Bill Maher, who is good on some issues and bad on some issues.

00:49:58.000 I will give him credit for honesty here.

00:50:00.000 Bill Maher is not a fan of President Trump's.

00:50:02.000 That's his prerogative.

00:50:03.000 But then he just drops it that he would like to see an economic downturn to House Trump.

00:50:08.000 I'm old enough to remember when Rush Limbaugh said in 2009, right after Barack Obama's election, that he hoped Obama fails.

00:50:13.000 And what he meant by that is he hopes that President Obama failed in his attempts to implement Obama-esque policy.

00:50:18.000 Not that he wanted to see the economy downturn.

00:50:19.000 Not that he wanted to see the fiscal state of America collapse or America's power on the foreign stage collapse.

00:50:25.000 He just didn't want to see Obama's policies promulgated.

00:50:27.000 He wanted him to fail in pursuing his policies.

00:50:29.000 Well, Bill Maher is a little more open than that.

00:50:32.000 Bill Maher just says, I want the economy to fail.

00:50:33.000 I want millions of people thrown out of work so Trump will be ousted.

00:50:36.000 I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point.

00:50:39.000 And by the way, I'm hoping for it.

00:50:40.000 Because I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy.

00:50:44.000 So please, bring on the recession.

00:50:46.000 Sorry if that hurts people, but it's either root for a recession or you lose your democracy.

00:50:51.000 Okay, so, root for a recession or you lose your democracy, or maybe you just make the case against Trump in terms that are rational, and then we can all decide whether that's convincing or not.

00:51:01.000 But, you know, when you're now rooting for millions of people to be thrown out of work because you want to see it have a bad impact on the president of the United States, I would say that's probably not a good thing.

00:51:10.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest.

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